1 $200 billion would be better.

2 I say that's right. The House bill will cut $100 billion and that will meet the pledge.

3

But they probably have just signaled what level of cutting they'll negotiate down to with the Democrat-held Senate.

 

I'd love to play poker with these limpos.

4 Boehner? I'm getting one.

5 Baby steps, folks. It's the best we can do right now.

6 Cutting the deficit back to pre-pelosi days would be nice

7 Hellz yeah. Let's cut 8% of the deficit. That'll work. Fiscal responsibility is right around the corner.

8 Another option:

The $100 billion will happen by next January with $60 billion coming this fiscal year (end of September).

9 defund oklecare

10 As long as we're clear on the fact that trillions of dollars is thousands of billions of dollars...

11 Well, this bears repeating on this post:

Keep it up Mr. Speaker.  And we'll keep up the shipments of booze and smokes.  _*cough* Accidentally, of course. _*cough*

Hell, I'll throw in a free year at the tanning salon of your choice.

12

A start.

I spose I can light one up and pour a shot of Glenlivet in honor of JB. 

Ok maybe an ultra light and Evan Williams.

13 And before you cut one freaking dime from the military, defund NPR NOW.

14 The others Rs have been saying they would cut back to the 2008 levels until March (heavier cuts later) and that the $60bil figure was based on projections at the time. Does this mean that Boehner is now only committed to the $100bil?

15 100 billion is nice and all, but its just a drop in the bucket compared to the 1.3 trillion dollars added to the deficit over the past 2 years under this Regime.   

Its a good first half step, but more cuts will be required if we are to remain financially viable. 

16 Its a good first half step, but more cuts will be required if we are to remain financially viable. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 06, 2011 05:26 PM (c0A3e)

Kratos, the deficit for the last 2 years was $2.9 Trillion. You forgot a years worth.

17 The Pentagon announced today that they will have to cut $78 billion over the next five years.  The timing of this announcement by the Obama administration, no doubt, was a coincidence.  Tomorrow you can expect reporters to ask Republicans if cutting the military is a good idea. 

18 It would be nice if he'd come right out and say "Whether we jigger the numbers to say '60' or '100' doesn't matter, because one, both those numbers ain't shit, even if they were real, and two, ain't shit gettin' cut, you stupid fucks. BONER OUT."

Watch the clip with the sound off. He can barely restrain himself from busting out laughing at you.

19 robtr,

Try 3.2 trillion.

But what's point-3 trillion amongst friends?

20 Posted by: lorien1973 at January 06, 2011 05:17 PM (IhQuA)

So would you rather they not cut anything?  'Cause, right now, that the other option.

I'll take $100 Billion.  Think about that, regardless of our current deficit, that's a huge number.  It does two things: it proves the Republicans are going to (attempt to) keep their promises and it shows they're actually serious about making some cuts- and at that level, its cuts that will (potentially) hurt.

It's the reverse of the Tax Rates question from the end of the year: and they're answering the way I expected.  The argument on my side was "Tax rates now, spending cuts later" because we saw spending cuts as less hard to do.  This is an extension of that.

Would cutting 1 Trillion from the deficit be better?  Yes.  It's not going to happen this year or next, though, so don't have that fight.  Instead, take the baby steps you can so you're in a better position to get it done when you have a better chance starting in 2013 (assuming the world doesn't end Dec. 2012, but I think we're safe).

21 Oops.  There goes my $48 billion plan for "combating, reducing, reversing and/or eliminating poverty within under served communities by utilizing mass scale economic redevelopment to bring about stability and self reliance."  Not to mention one hell of a wicked man cave.

22 really? I thought it was 1.3 last year and 2.6 this year. fuck what difference does it make $3 trillion is a stack of $100 bills 3,000 miles high. We will never pay it back

23 100 billion is nice and all, but its just a drop in the bucket compared to the 1.3 trillion dollars added to the deficit over the past 2 years under this Regime.   

Its a good first half step, but more cuts will be required if we are to remain financially viable. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 06, 2011 05:26 PM (c0A3e)

 

I can't remember where I saw or heard it, but a lot of the dems' infatuation with Ocare is waning.  If the House really does send up a bill to repeal this clusterfuck, I'm starting to wonder if there might be enough dems in the senate that see 2012 rolling around to really do this thing.  Maybe I'm dreaming, maybe not.  But I think there might be a possibility.

24 This was the pledge:

“With common-sense exceptions for seniors, veterans, and our troops, we will roll back government spending to pre-stimulus, pre-bailout levels, saving us at least $100 billion in the first year alone[.]”


Rep. Ryan when asked about back-tracks (NRO):

“We will be cutting $100 billion-plus over this calendar year when it comes to fiscal year 2011, and our appropriations coming this summer for fiscal year 2012,” he said. “So if you think we’re stopping shy of $100 billion in cuts you’ve got another thing coming.”

Yuval Levin says that is 20% of domestic discretionary spending.

25 $100 billion is enough.

For today.

Do it every day for a month...

26 B should just say fuck it, we're cutting everything by 20%, including SS payments and other fed handouts. If you gov't administrators earning 6 figures think you're worth that much in the private sector, then prove it by making it work.

27 robtr,

You're thinking of the "on the books" deficit.
I'm talking about the amount the debt increased.

300 billion "off the books" was borrowed.

Tuh-may-toe.
Toe-mah-toe.

28 And before you cut one freaking dime from the military, defund NPR NOW.
Posted by: Jane D'oh
--------------

While I totally agree with the sentiment, the federal government doesn't fund NPR.  They have been weened off the govt teat.

It's the member stations that get government grants.

http://tli.tl/E0vm6Y

29 When "W" left office on January 20, 2009, the national debt was $10,626,877,048,913.08.

Now, according to the Debt Clock:
14,015,835,521,911 (and climbing by millions before I can finish typing the number.

So it's more like 3.4 trillion.

30

I'd take the 100 billion... then again, I'm more of an ass man.

 

31 ...and counting

32

Kratos, the deficit for the last 2 years was $2.9 Trillion. You forgot a years worth.

Math is hard!

I can't remember where I saw or heard it, but a lot of the dems' infatuation with Ocare is waning.

That wouldn't be surprising, given that Ocare opposition still polls at about 60%+.  The Dems are evil and corrupt, but they aren't politically stupid.  They saw the shellacking their brethren had at the voting booths in Nov and enough of the fools may vote to repeal it to save their sorry hides.  Alas, Obama will still veto the repeal. 

If that scenario comes to pass and Boehner is able to muster enough votes for a Presidential veto override - I will quit my current career path and serve the tanned man all the days of my life. 

33 They should just pick a % across-the-board. This business about the $60bil or $100bil has been a golden opportunity for the Dems, even if the Rs were correct about the change in the #s.

34 B should just say fuck it, we're cutting everything by 20%, including SS payments and other fed handouts.

Posted by: joeindc44 at January 06, 2011 05:36 PM (QxSug)

Cut SS and the R's are done in '12.

35 Hmm, I doubled the budget by $2T and the tea party extremist Republicans are going to cut it by $100B. I can live with that.

36 $100 billion in spending cuts is a good starting point.

37 Winners and losers in GatesÂ’ latest budget cuts

38 Cut SS and the R's are done in '12.

Yes.  Leverage entitlements against ALL the pissant crap that we shouldn't be funding at all.

39 Really, how big a constituency does the CPB or the NEA have as compared to SS or even the military?

40 As another poster noted, the smart play is to make the Proggs go Thunderdome.

41

If the Constitution was amended to reinstate the voting rule that only property (land, home) owners could vote, the political atmosphere in DC would change immediately.

42

On the first full day of legislative business, House Republicans introduced measures on Wednesday to block the EPA's proposed regulation of greenhouse gases and new rules limiting toxic air emissions from cement factories.

The bills represent what is certain to be a concerted effort by the new House majority to address what they consider to be burdensome environmental rules, part of a broader assault on what Republicans characterize as job-killing regulations from the executive branch.

This is nice, but what would be better would be to just defund the EPA altogether.

43 Posted by: Timbo at January 06, 2011 05:47 PM (ph9vn)

Provided they sell it as "Sorry, but we're having to cut everything by x%" I don't think it would hurt too much.  If they could sell it as "Hey, we defunded all this crap [insert list], and then we still had to cut x% of everything else" that'd be even better.

Of course, that would require them to be savvy enough to get around the Democrats and MFM and straight out to the American People to explain WTF is going on.

44 My mothers only source of income is her social security check.  A 20% cut would be devastating.  She'd have to move with us!  Kidding aside, as someone already stated, 20% cut in SS and the pubs would be finished.

45
Yes.  Leverage entitlements against ALL the pissant crap that we shouldn't be funding at all.

Posted by: toby928™ at January 06, 2011 05:49 PM (S5YRY)

It will do us no good if a huge voting block votes dems in again in '12.

46 Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 06, 2011 05:54 PM (9T/th)

See Timbo's comment RE: SS & Medicare.  Too many people think that the EPA is good "for the children" to accept defunding it, yet.

Make no mistake.  About the best this congress can do is staunch some of the bleeding (and maybe not the worst of it).  Even with a Republican President and Senate, we'd have to tread carefully- anything done by Congress can be undone by Congress, so we need to make sure the people are on-board with our full agenda, not just the sound-bites.

47  My mothers only source of income is her social security check.  A 20% cut would be devastating.  She'd have to move with us!  Kidding aside, as someone already stated, 20% cut in SS and the pubs would be finished.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 06, 2011 05:57 PM (Z71Vg)

 

Okay.  A 20% across the board cut of gov. spending without touching SS would still be a hell of a lot of money.  There are ways of dealing with SS without having your mother move in with you. 

48 About the best this congress can do is staunch some of the bleeding

We must be prepared to strike.  If our bonds stop selling, and they could at any time, cutting the crap will be required, debt limits and constituent wishes notwithstanding. 

Prep the battlespace.  Use SS against the statists.  We want to cut CPB and the NEA so we don't have to trim Grandma.

49

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 06, 2011 05:59 PM (8y9MW)

Then someone needs to explain to the folks the concept of constitutionality.

50 The first word out of every Republican's mouth should be WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY.

Kill the DoE, for the children.

51

Department of Education, or Food Stamps
Department of Energy, or Medicaid
NEA and CPB,  or military
EPA or SS

We can't pay for them all.

Make THEM chose.

52

Then someone needs to explain to the folks the concept of constitutionality.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 06, 2011 06:03 PM (9T/th)

 

That's why I keep saying that the most important reform any conservative congressman should be pushing is education reform.  Defund the teachers' unions.  Re-establish basic cirriculae to educate not indoctrinate the little crumbcrunchers.

53 Posted by: toby928™ at January 06, 2011 06:03 PM (S5YRY)

Agreed (mostly).  But that's a communication thing more than a policy thing, at the moment.  Remember, we don't own the Senate or the Presidency. 

Passing a budget that cuts massively from the unconstitutional growths (even excepting Medicare and SS, for the moment) and explaining it will be a huge step, but it'll get negotiated back to something closer to this $100 Bn anyway- so lets also set the correct expectations.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at January 06, 2011 06:03 PM (9T/th)

Yeah, that'd be nice.

54
Make no mistake.  About the best this congress can do is staunch some of the bleeding (and maybe not the worst of it).  Even with a Republican President and Senate, we'd have to tread carefully- anything done by Congress can be undone by Congress, so we need to make sure the people are on-board with our full agenda, not just the sound-bites.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 06, 2011 05:59 PM (8y9MW)

Yep... we are basically screwed unless we get a real pro business president in '12.(with a tea party like congress)

Until America is back at work.. we are in serious trouble. A real leader who will get us going again and cut the shit out of Government and get rid of Obamacare in its entirety..

10k baby boomers a WEEK are retiring now.  Millions are unemployed.

I just don't see how R's can cut anything to them without losing power for decades. Its waaaaaaaaay too personal then.

Think of the nightly television  parade of elderly people starving and homeless we will have..

55 Hard times make hard choices possible.  Funding these dipshit programs is tolerable in a rich country.  A country that is borrowing trillions will find that being the patron of scribes, painters, and jester is a job best left to those who do have money.

The competition will improve the quality of jesters anyway.

56 Posted by: Timbo at January 06, 2011 06:12 PM (ph9vn)

I agree.  It will require very, very careful handling.  But SS (especially) and Medicare are both Ponzi schemes.  Both are going to fall down eventually no matter what we do.  Better a controlled demolition than a random collapse.

The hard part is educating the public about that.

57

Think of the nightly television  parade of elderly people starving and homeless we will have..

 

Yeah.  Let Ocare put down those people.  It's much more merciful.

58 The hard part is educating the public about that.

That's why we save SS etc for last.  Use their constituency first, then we can ask them for sacrifice.  Who knows, a lot of growth, a bit of inflation, limiting future increases, deregulating, increasing domestic energy production, and cutting the shit out of everything else, might mean we don't even have to cut the existing entitlements. 

Just don't increase them.

Like I said, I'm optimistic that running out of money will upset the chess board and the old political paradigm will be replaced.

59
I agree.  It will require very, very careful handling.  But SS (especially) and Medicare are both Ponzi schemes.  Both are going to fall down eventually no matter what we do.  Better a controlled demolition than a random collapse.

The hard part is educating the public about that.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at January 06, 2011 06:16 PM (8y9MW)

Couldnt agree more but.. good luck educating anyone when every single newscast is pro marxism.

60 Posted by: Soona at January 06, 2011 06:17 PM (k8smy)

See, this is the problem, isn't it?  It's the problem with entitlements in general, but those that target the elderly (that is: the largest voting bloc in the nation) especially.  Once they're on, they don't want off.

Maybe we should make taking SS and Medicare optional: but you have to give up your voting rights if you take them.

61 Like I said, I'm optimistic that running out of money will upset the chess board and the old political paradigm will be replaced.

Posted by: toby928™ at January 06, 2011 06:21 PM (S5YRY)

 

That's why we must not raise the debt ceiling.

62 That's why we must not raise the debt ceiling.

I pray every night that the Chinese will tell us to stick it in our ear.  Getting free drinks from the bartender is no way to cure alcoholism.

63 And to clarify, I agree with getting rid of SS permanently in the future.  But you can't just tell a SS receipient that she/he isn't getting any more money or make drastic cuts to their checks.  For many, this is all they have.

64 For many, this is all they have.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 06, 2011 06:26 PM (Z71Vg)

I know.. my Grandma, may she rest in peace, lived off $600  a month.

She was never in her life in a position to 'save' for retirement.

Expecting her at 85 to still be working is ridiculous.

65  And to clarify, I agree with getting rid of SS permanently in the future.  But you can't just tell a SS receipient that she/he isn't getting any more money or make drastic cuts to their checks.  For many, this is all they have.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 06, 2011 06:26 PM (Z71Vg)

 

I don't think anybody, conservative or otherwise, would even consider that.  W's proposal was a good one.  Too bad no one has referred to that yet.  A slow phase-out would still start cutting spending on this despicable scheme (SS) almost immediately.

 

 

66 Actually, I heard the House was considering sending some entitlement reform bills to Obama, starting with Medicare and Medicaid. But the handful of reps who have discussed it aren't sure what those final bills would look like.

67

I don't think anybody, conservative or otherwise, would even consider that.  W's proposal was a good one.  Too bad no one has referred to that yet.  A slow phase-out would still start cutting spending on this despicable scheme (SS) almost immediately.

Sorry, maybe I was getting the wrong impression.  But yeah, I remember Bush making the proposal and everyone lib in the country was screaming in the streets that he wanted to take away everyones SS immediately.  Maddening.

68

Actually, I heard the House was considering sending some entitlement reform bills to Obama, starting with Medicare and Medicaid. But the handful of reps who have discussed it aren't sure what those final bills would look like.

 

I could tell them exactly what they'd look like.  They'd look like type-written words on white pieces of paper.

69 toby928™ at #51 - exactly. Well put - make them pick their poison.

BTW - you don't have to cut the EPA totally, you just write their budget prohibiting expenditures for the Greenhouse Gas Emissions rules. Same with that lil Butch Patrick-looking smarmy shit Julius Genachowski at FCC. Cut his nuts off on the internet regs and prohibit shifting of funds...then the 20% cut

70

Sorry, maybe I was getting the wrong impression.  But yeah, I remember Bush making the proposal and everyone lib in the country was screaming in the streets that he wanted to take away everyones SS immediately.  Maddening.

Posted by: jewells45 at January 06, 2011 06:37 PM (Z71Vg)

It was a great idea and EVERYONE would have had a choice.. but they still said Bush wanted to take away Grandmas SS.

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