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April 05, 2011

Boehner: I Will Not Perpetrate A Fraud On The American Public
— Ace

Boehner didn't say that, but he should have, and I invite him to say that the next time he has the chance.

Speaking after Obama's typical droning hum of flabby nothing, Boehner said the Democrats were employing "smoke and mirrors" and accounting tricks to create a false budget, one that would look like it was cutting when it really was not.

Boehner should hit this point harder and accuse the Democrats of trying to conjure up an illusion and then attempting to enlist the Republicans in joining them in selling a lie to the public; that is, cast them as the villains they are, attempting to enlist fresh recruits for a conspiracy.

The American public wants a cut -- but it is true, if they falsely tricked into thinking substantial cuts have been made, that will suffice for most. They can be tricked; after all, they're not reading the budget line-by-line. (Neither is Obama, for that matter, but he has some advisors.)

The Democrats are trying to cook up some cover for themselves -- and offer that cover to Republicans too -- and enlist the Tea Party in a game of Let's Con the Public Into Thinking We've Done Their Will.

Nothing, I think, would be more pleasing to the public than an exposure of the deceit being cooked up for them. Nothing would be more politically appealing than a party which comes up the plate and says, "Here are the lies they've suggested we tell, which, frankly, would benefit us politically too, but we're rejecting them. Here they are, and here's why they're false; be on the lookout for similar snookering to come."

The GOP must insist on being transparent. Truth in cutting. No fake cuts and shifting money from account to account or back in time to previous quarters to cook the books.

We've seen enough of that, haven't we?

No more Enron accounting.

This would have the benefit of innocculating the public against such future attempts at viral deception. A deception revealed and explained to the public will become radioactive and won't be offered again.

Posted by: Ace at 12:34 PM | Comments (146)
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1 Looking good!

Posted by: Moochelle Preening in Front of at April 05, 2011 12:37 PM (ihSHD)

2 after all, they're not reading the budget line-by-line. (Neither is Obama, for that matter, but he has some advisors.)

I suggested the 3-wood.

Posted by: Obama's Favorite Advisor at April 05, 2011 12:38 PM (YvNBz)

3 That helps with the reasonable voters. Now for a plan for the unreasonable ones...

Posted by: AoSHQ's worst commenter, DarkLord© at April 05, 2011 12:38 PM (GBXon)

Posted by: Moochelle Preening in Front of Skinny Mirror at April 05, 2011 12:39 PM (ihSHD)

you dream ace.

Posted by: booter at April 05, 2011 12:39 PM (w43sl)

Boehner is happy to have $33B (which will likely turn out to be bupkiss) as long as it looks like some sort of cut. Most people can't tell the difference between numbers larger than, say, 10,000; it's a function of our reptile brains. $33B ad $3.3T look roughly the same until you apply yourself, and most people just won't.

So Boehner gets $33B, the tea people get to bang on Boehner, and the Democrats get to pound on the republicans for skewering old people for cat food and dropping bombs on New Orleans or whatever they're lying about this hour.

And the pork just keeps flowing.

Posted by: Truman North at April 05, 2011 12:39 PM (8ay4x)

7 My cynicism is locked in the "on" position. If, however, something even resembling this budget gets passed (regardless of Veto), it may fix itself.

Until then, though, I'm skeptical.

Don't get me wrong, I love this budget (in comparison to other, realistic options), and I can devise some good tactics to make this simply a jumping-off point for actual budgetary sanity. I just don't believe it'll actually happen.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 05, 2011 12:40 PM (8y9MW)

8 Boner v. Boehner

Posted by: USA at April 05, 2011 12:40 PM (YZISw)

9 The Republican leadership will never use that sort of blunt language.

They will never draw lines in the sand and say no farther we will not
aid you in the destruction of the republic.

We are boned or doomed or frauschisered or however you might want to put it.

Posted by: McLovin at April 05, 2011 12:40 PM (j0IcY)

You would have to think that the GOP is up for some budgetary sanity. Look what it took to get them to make $61B less than the largest budget in history by far they're opening negotiating position.

There's about 470 fuckers on capitol hill who are only interested in more money flowing through DC.

Posted by: Truman North at April 05, 2011 12:42 PM (8ay4x)

Nothing, I think, would be more pleasing to the public than an exposure of the deceit being cooked up for them. Nothing would be more politically appealing than a party which comes up the plate and says, "Here are the lies they've suggested we tell, which, frankly, would benefit us politically too, but we're rejecting them. Here they are, and here's why they're false; be on the lookout for similar snookering to come."

Then run a commercial showing the Dems proposed budget from last year. Which is tro say, nothing. Ask every talking head repeating the new sneer "road to poverty' what they think of it compared to the Dem budget. Which again, was nothing. Hammer them and their MFM useful idiots with the fact that the Republicans to date are the only ones who are dealing with this as adults. They are the only ones bothering to do their jobs. Anything less allows the Dems to sit by while the Republicans do the hard work.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 05, 2011 12:42 PM (6rX0K)

We all need to make sacrifices.

Hey Michelle! What's Chef making for dinner tonight? Are we having the lobster or the waygu?

(air kiss)

You're looking great, honey. Is that Dior or Versace?

Hey kids! Time for dinner. Mom and I wanted to ask you where you'd like to vacation. Paris or Brussels?

Posted by: Barak Hussein Obama, mmm, mmm, mmm! at April 05, 2011 12:42 PM (ihSHD)

13 We need a Republican to have a Gandolf v. Balrog moment: "You shall not pass."

Indeed, I can see an editorial cartoon in my head with Rep. Ryan playing Gandalf and a monster labeled as "Democrat Tax & Spend Policies" with Rep. Ryan saying "You. Shall. Not. Pass."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 05, 2011 12:43 PM (8y9MW)

Nothing, I think, would be more pleasing to the public than an exposure of the deceit being cooked up for them. Nothing would be more politically appealing than a party which comes up the plate and says, "Here are the lies they've suggested we tell, which, frankly, would benefit us politically too, but we're rejecting them. Here they are, and here's why they're false; be on the lookout for similar snookering to come."

Maybe they can hire a Cowboy Poet to deliver it in iambic pentameter.

Posted by: runningrn at April 05, 2011 12:44 PM (ihSHD)

15 This is a lot easier to read than when it was in the sidebar!

Posted by: SnowSun at April 05, 2011 12:44 PM (UAUr6)

16 I heard him say "smoke and mirrors" and I waited until it was the sound bite on ABC news to double check that I heard it.

Posted by: curious at April 05, 2011 12:44 PM (k1rwm)

Boner v. Boehner

I'll take the Bonew pwease!

Posted by: Bawney Fwank at April 05, 2011 12:45 PM (ihSHD)

Maybe they can hire a Cowboy Poet to deliver it in iambic pentameter.

Posted by: runningrn at April 05, 2011 04:44 PM (ihSHD)

better yet, let's bring up the Japanese as the press is literally burying them and use haiku

Posted by: curious at April 05, 2011 12:45 PM (k1rwm)

19 they need a quick snarky cartoon video to go viral. Are there no republican/conservatives who can pull this off?

Posted by: curious at April 05, 2011 12:47 PM (k1rwm)

20 We need a Republican to have a Gandolf v. Balrog moment: "You shall not pass."

Indeed, I can see an editorial cartoon in my head with Rep. Ryan playing Gandalf and a monster labeled as "Democrat Tax & Spend Policies" with Rep. Ryan saying "You. Shall. Not. Pass."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther)

Ramierez would do that up right. he was one of the first brave enough to mock the Dear Leader.

Posted by: Blue Hen at April 05, 2011 12:47 PM (6rX0K)

21 If Boehner wants to stop with the "Enron" accounting, perhaps he could begin with his parsing of a $100 billion pledge into $61 billion. At any rate, let these guys fight. We can hope each side obliterates the other.

Posted by: George Orwell at April 05, 2011 12:48 PM (AZGON)

22 The GOP must insist on being transparent. Truth in cutting. No fake cuts and shifting money from account to account or back in time to previous quarters to cook the books.

And no more kicking the can down the road with "promised cuts at a later time". I want to see some real cuts right now in that 2012 budget and I want split up into individual small budgets with the GOP refrain, take it or leave it for that budget.

Also, make it so that if they don't take it there is no phony shutdown of the effected departments. Make it a real shutdown with zero budget.

Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2011 12:48 PM (M9Ie6)

23 Phuck Obama.

Boehner needs to walk up to the mike with his drink in hand, take a looooooong drag, and say in that low drawl of this, 'We won this time. Shit, get off the pot, or we're closing up shop".

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 05, 2011 12:49 PM (pLTLS)

24 I hope he'll say that with a lit cigarette hanging out of his mouth and a highball in one hand. A pistol in the other hand would be a nice touch.

Posted by: Dang at April 05, 2011 12:49 PM (TXKVh)

25 Damn, Lacy - freaky how we were thinking the same thing...

Posted by: Dang at April 05, 2011 12:50 PM (TXKVh)

26 Make it a real shutdown with zero budget. I wanted to say that but deleted it. Yes. I would like to see a shutdown of "essential" services. But what the hell. Any shutdown only amounts to paid vacation for people on gubmint payrolls. They will get it all back.

Posted by: George Orwell at April 05, 2011 12:50 PM (AZGON)

27 The government is going to shut down. The MFM and the dems already have their scripts written. I know this is going to sound bad, but I hope the American people are suffering enough now that they won't buy into it this time around.

Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2011 12:51 PM (XROVL)

The government is going to shut down.

How will this affect the Prenatal Center at my local Middle-School?

Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2011 12:52 PM (hki9w)

29 The D is for deception. ^tm

Posted by: Dem Party Slogan 2012 at April 05, 2011 12:53 PM (Z1jiu)

30 My mom had one line that she used repeatedly. "We can't afford that." My father was a skilled trade factory worker supporting a wife and 6 kids, ended up with a nice nest egg. You see, he and my mom understood what the word INVESTMENT really means. It's not spending, you dumbass democrats.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 05, 2011 12:53 PM (seRb5)

31 As long as gubmint owns the printing presses in the mint, there will be no real change. No matter what happens, we will eventually print the money. See: "Monty, 'The Wisdom of Doom,' Pandaemonium Press 2011" Nevertheless, it would be pleasant to see someone put up a fight against this insanity.

Posted by: George Orwell at April 05, 2011 12:53 PM (AZGON)

I think Boehner ought to drive up to the microphone in a red convertable, drinking and smoking, with one hand on the haunch of a hot teenage girl and the other on a big bucket of fried chicken.

I don't really care what he says after that, but the visual would be stunning.

Posted by: Truman North at April 05, 2011 12:54 PM (8ay4x)

No more Enron accounting.

I LOVE it. The GOP should be repeating this in every MFM interview at EVERY opportunity.

Here's another that I love, paraphrased from above.

It sure is easy to criticize a budget when your party neglected to even submit one.

Pointing fingers and grousing is not a solution to our debt crisis. Someone has to be the adults in the room. We've chosen to be just that, even if we take some heat. Because that's what adults do--make the tough choices.

Posted by: Warden at April 05, 2011 12:54 PM (Tz5uJ)

34 Only a few people trust the government anyway. If the dems would actually be put on the defensive, then maybe.

Posted by: MJ at April 05, 2011 12:54 PM (BKOsZ)

35 garrett @ 28 The scary thing is your snark sounds exactly like serious sentiment to be expressed by serious citizens across this "nation."

Posted by: George Orwell at April 05, 2011 12:55 PM (AZGON)

36 It may look like the American people aren't paying attention but they are paying attention and they, even the lib/dems who are patriotic, are expecting a lot out of the republicans. You can tell when libs/dems start something with "well let's hope the republicans can".....which means they are terrified of what the people they elected are doing but they can't say for fear of being ostracized so they sidle up to me, the independent, and discuss whether or not the republicans will be trounced or be able to force everyone into austerity. They too think that the dems are lazy asses who didn't make budgets and are letting the republicans do the work, they all seem to remember that the lobbyists and drug companies and health care companies wrote obamacare. They note the dems are lazy. It seems to be reaching them.

Posted by: curious at April 05, 2011 12:55 PM (k1rwm)

^{Posted by: nerdygirl at April 05, 2011 04:53 PM (seRb5)}

6 Kids!?

A Television or a vasectomy would have been a wise investment.

Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2011 12:55 PM (hki9w)

38 Make it a real shutdown with zero budget.

Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2011 04:48 PM (M9Ie6)

So who should we stop resupplying? Our troops in Afghanistan or our troops in Iraq? Or maybe we could just cut jet fuel deliveries so the ground troops have ammo at least, just no air support.

This was mentioned a few times in earlier posts, but I think that this year is dead. The CRs are just Kabuki. The real battle, as you have pointed out (I think) is for next year's budget.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 05, 2011 12:55 PM (LH6ir)

39 It sure is easy to criticize a budget when your party neglected to even submit one. Okay, thread winner. Hands down.

Posted by: George Orwell at April 05, 2011 12:56 PM (AZGON)

40 "no more enron accounting and no more made off ponzi schemes"

Posted by: curious at April 05, 2011 12:57 PM (k1rwm)

^{Posted by: George Orwell at April 05, 2011 04:55 PM (AZGON)}

Republicans Hate Preemies!

Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2011 12:57 PM (hki9w)

"We all need to make sacrifices. There's this notion that it can be Motown Night every night. It can't. Motown night comes only after a hard day at the golf course. Motown Night must be earned."

Posted by: Warden at April 05, 2011 12:57 PM (Tz5uJ)

The government is going to shut down.

How will this affect the Prenatal Center at my local Middle-School?

Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2011 04:52 PM (hki9w)

They'll have to give all the hall monitors lengths of hanger-wire.

Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2011 12:57 PM (XROVL)

44 As long as gubmint owns the printing presses

Well, they're more of a customer for the Fed, but your point remains. Inflation is the hidden tax they constantly raise.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 05, 2011 12:57 PM (Z1jiu)

45 Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 05, 2011 04:55 PM (LH6ir)

didn't he promise to bring them home yet 60% more of them have been killed since he took office. Maybe a shutdown of everything down to zero would be good, just bring the troops home, period.

Posted by: curious at April 05, 2011 12:58 PM (k1rwm)

Schadenboehner?

Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 05, 2011 12:58 PM (QMtmy)

47 "We all need to make sacrifices. There's this notion that it can be Motown Night every night. It can't. Motown night comes only after a hard day at the golf course. Motown Night must be earned." "And from now on, I'm sitting only in the coach cabin on Air Force One."

Posted by: B. Hussein Obama at April 05, 2011 12:59 PM (AZGON)

48 Numbers out his ass Barry don't fool a cowboy Manhole waits in tent

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Borderline Cowboy Poet Rapist at April 05, 2011 12:59 PM (OW0nw)

49 Someone earlier was asking where Pelousy was; looks like Drudge found her:

NANCY PELOSI: "In one of the bills before us, six million seniors are deprived of meals -- homebound seniors are deprived of meals. People ask us to find our common ground, the middle ground. Is middle ground three million seniors not receiving meals?

DEGA (dogfood eating grannies argument) right on schedule.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 05, 2011 12:59 PM (ENKCw)

50 You shouldn't reference a Lord of the Rings character unless you can spell the name right. You lose geek cred.

Posted by: teh Wind at April 05, 2011 12:59 PM (Mi+CX)

Posted by: ya2daup at April 05, 2011 01:00 PM (Wqfrr)

52 Schadenboehner? Posted by: Dr. Varno I play it on the Lumichord.

Posted by: George Orwell at April 05, 2011 01:00 PM (AZGON)

53 I think the dems are too chicken to shut it down, too terrified. so they want it to be the republicans. Lib/dem just tweeted:

"the American people just want it shutdown and for the embarrassment of how our government is malfunctioning big time to not be shown on the world stage"

Posted by: curious at April 05, 2011 01:01 PM (k1rwm)

Schadenboehner?

^{Posted by: Dr. Varno at April 05, 2011 04:58 PM (QMtmy)}

Dr. V scores!

_{Who says a bassist is no more than a keyboard player's left hand?}

Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2011 01:01 PM (hki9w)

55 Empire of Jeff, Borderline Cowboy Poet Rapist Ah cahnt quit you.

Posted by: Jake Gyllenhall at April 05, 2011 01:01 PM (AZGON)

56 If they pass a full funding (zero cuts) budget for what's left of 2011 as part of passing the Ryan Plan for 2012, I'm happy. Any chance Reid will take the deal?

Posted by: ef at April 05, 2011 01:01 PM (c7Pp2)

57 Posted by: GnuBreed at April 05, 2011 04:59 PM (ENKCw)

they should throw GWB's speech back at her where he wanted to let the religious institutions take this up as they do better with less money.

Posted by: curious at April 05, 2011 01:02 PM (k1rwm)

58 This government shutdown is going to hit the gay 9 year olds hardest.

Dunno about that. They'll just stick Glee reruns in the classroom.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 05, 2011 01:02 PM (pLTLS)

You know what I'd love to hear Boehner say?

Ladies and gentleman I can't halt the endless White House parties--the Superbowl extravaganzas, the special concerts, the exotic 500 plus entourage vacations, or the Motown Nights ... but I can stop the out of control party that this administration has been having with your money. One that your kids will have to pick up the tab for.

Posted by: Warden at April 05, 2011 01:02 PM (Tz5uJ)

60 The government is going to shut down.

Celebrate good times, come on, Wahoo!

Posted by: Normal Americans at April 05, 2011 01:02 PM (Z1jiu)

61 Posted by: curious at April 05, 2011 04:58 PM (k1rwm)

I would pull them out of Afghanistan immediately, with the proviso that if anything bad happens that we will go back in fast and hard and not fuck around like we have been.

I would leave Iraq in the same way, with the additional warning that if Iran starts to get too powerful within the country we will come back and be mean, the way we should have the first time around.

But, in case you weren't sure, I am not the CiC.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 05, 2011 01:02 PM (LH6ir)

62 NANCY PELOSI: "In one of the bills before us, six million seniors are deprived of meals -- homebound seniors are deprived of meals. People ask us to find our common ground, the middle ground. Is middle ground three million seniors not receiving meals?

3 million doesn't sound like enough to fix social security & medicare, but six million might give us a little breathing room.

Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at April 05, 2011 01:03 PM (+lsX1)

63 I think the dems are too chicken to shut it down, too terrified. so they want it to be the republicans.

Nope. Democrats are employing a very simplistic logic that shutdown = victory for Democrats based on what happened in the 90's.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at April 05, 2011 01:03 PM (TpXEI)

64 @60 Clearly you are unhinged and a hateful conservative. Obama loves this nation more than you do.

Posted by: Michael Medved at April 05, 2011 01:03 PM (AZGON)

65 C'mon, can't we watch just one more episode of Fiscal Fantasy Island ... please?

Posted by: libral geniuses at April 05, 2011 01:03 PM (Wqfrr)

66 So who should we stop resupplying? Our troops in Afghanistan or our troops in Iraq? Or maybe we could just cut jet fuel deliveries so the ground troops have ammo at least, just no air support.

It seems that you and others misunderstood what I was saying. The smaller budgets are split out and they take those or leave it. Zero budget if they don't except it.

You do NOT put essential military expenditures in the first 11 budgets if you are going to split it into 12 budgets.

Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2011 01:04 PM (M9Ie6)

67 The government is going to shut down. __ Can we shut it down before we buy the Fairy Toad sculpture?

Posted by: USA at April 05, 2011 01:04 PM (YZISw)

68 Cowboy Love

Posted by: The Reverend Horton Heat at April 05, 2011 01:04 PM (hki9w)

69 Is middle ground three million seniors not receiving meals?

My senior mom called, she said she drank pelosi's milkshake, she drank it up.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 05, 2011 01:04 PM (Z1jiu)

70 Pelosi: Is middle ground three million seniors not receiving meals? I'll ignore the missing verb in that not-a-sentence, but a meal of three million servings of long pig sounds very filling to me.

Posted by: George Orwell at April 05, 2011 01:05 PM (AZGON)

71 Oh and let me clarify, I am not talking about the BS CR which they have essentially already lost on.

Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2011 01:05 PM (M9Ie6)

72 Numbers and situations are changing too fast. A little while ago, a report crossed the wires that Boehner was pressing for $40B. Who knows if it's true?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 05, 2011 01:05 PM (UO6+e)

73 NANCY PELOSI: "In one of the bills before us, six million seniors are deprived of meals -- homebound seniors are deprived of meals. People ask us to find our common ground, the middle ground. Is middle ground three million seniors not receiving meals?

Wouldn't depriving all of them of meals solve two problems? Obesity and too many medicare recipients? Of course some of them could buy their own meals, or is that too much to ask?

Posted by: kansas at April 05, 2011 01:05 PM (mka2b)

Does anything better represent the frivolous, incompetent, entitled, party-all-the-time-while-others-do-the-work mentality of Barack Obama and his skank-ass, bitch-face wife better than Motown Night?

Posted by: Warden at April 05, 2011 01:06 PM (Tz5uJ)

75 While I despise gimmicks as much as the next person, it must be said : a compromise must be reached or the government will shut down. This shutdown will harm republicans and force seniors to contemplate eating dog food for the foreseeable future. Ryan's plan, which is even more draconian, may force seniors to resort to cannibalism at their respective rest homes. I'll be honest, I'm no fan of cannibalism, or eating one's pets for sustenance. I hope extremism does not cast the Republican Party into the hinterlands for a generation.

Posted by: Concerned at April 05, 2011 01:06 PM (4ZxEW)

76 "In one of the bills before us, six million seniors are deprived of meals -- homebound seniors are deprived of meals. People ask us to find our common ground, the middle ground. Is middle ground three million seniors not receiving meals?"

We need each and every one of those six million homebound seniors to prime the pumps of our ObamaCare death panels, but those evil, evil Republicans want to deny us our statist fun!

Posted by: libral geniuses at April 05, 2011 01:07 PM (Wqfrr)

77 Why is everything in today's news sounding more and more like "I'm with the government and, not only am I here to help, but I've got it all figured out!"

While to tone of things seems to be encouraging, I keep feeling like this is nothing more than an unveiling of "The John Galt" plan.

All I want to hear is something to the effect of, "We've decided to hang it all up, close everything. Effective immediately, the U.S. government resigns. America, you're on your own."

Posted by: Damiano at April 05, 2011 01:07 PM (3nrx7)

78 <i>"Here are the lies they've suggested we tell, which, frankly, would benefit us politically too, but we're rejecting them. Here they are, and here's why they're false; be on the lookout for similar snookering to come."</i>

This is one of those times when a free press would sure come in handy.

Posted by: mongo78 at April 05, 2011 01:07 PM (2b46R)

79 Feh. HTML fail.

Posted by: mongo78 at April 05, 2011 01:07 PM (2b46R)

80 In one of the bills before us, six million seniors are deprived of meals BAW HAHAHAHAHAHA Let's have Nancy fly her military jet transport over to me and we'll discuss this. After I pee in her mouth.

Posted by: George Orwell at April 05, 2011 01:07 PM (AZGON)

81 Posted by: USA at April 05, 2011 05:04 PM (YZISw)

No, but if you ask nicely USS Diversity will piss on it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 05, 2011 01:08 PM (LH6ir)

82 You had me in complete agreement up until this:

This would have the benefit of innocculating the public against such future attempts at viral deception. A deception revealed and explained to the public will become radioactive and won't be offered again.

My faith in the ability of the public to maintain that sort of attention span hit zero a long time ago.

The needle might stop clicking on the empty pin if we had some sort of objective watchdog that would report to the public whenever the government was trying to put one over on us.

We could even give something of that importance constitutional protection and refer to it in terms of, oh, I don't know, let's call it the 4th Estate, to highlight its position as a bulwark against the creeping totalitarianism the is inherent in any central power.

I know. It's a pipe-dream.

Posted by: krakatoa at April 05, 2011 01:08 PM (IOva1)

83 What about fat seniors?

Posted by: TexasJew at April 05, 2011 01:08 PM (QK1rf)

84 Nancy's argument about old people starving pisses me off.

If in life you have alienated everyone so bad that there is no one that will take you in you deserve to starve. Families and friends used to take care of this not the Govt.

Of course they also held you accountable if you squandered your savings at the casino. I think consequences for your actions is the part dems don't like

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 05, 2011 01:08 PM (tf9Ne)

85 New tone.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 05, 2011 01:09 PM (pLTLS)

In one of the bills before us, six million seniors are deprived of meals

How many seniors could be fed for the cost of Motown Night?

Posted by: Warden at April 05, 2011 01:09 PM (Tz5uJ)

87 Why are we feeding seniors anyway? They are already receiving SS and medical coverage.

Posted by: Rocks at April 05, 2011 01:09 PM (Q1lie)

88 6 million cans of dog food. Soft, of course..

Posted by: TexasJew at April 05, 2011 01:10 PM (QK1rf)

89 But but...if the govt shutsdown, you won't be able to go see John Dillinger's dick in a jar at the Smithsonian.

Posted by: typical dem libtard at April 05, 2011 01:10 PM (Z1jiu)

_{Who says a bassist is no more than a keyboard player's left hand?}

Posted by: garrett
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I think that was Ray Manzarek

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 05, 2011 01:11 PM (f9c2L)

In one of the bills before us, six million seniors are deprived of meals

All of them...or just a nice Brunch every other Sunday?

Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2011 01:11 PM (hki9w)

92 Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2011 05:04 PM (M9Ie6)

I understand your plan, but it is unworkable. Anyone can propose a budget, and the Dems would have a field day with each of your mini-budgets. It would take forever, and nothing would pass. They would hold up each budget as an example of the evils of rampant fascism in the Republican majority, and counter each one with a budget of their own.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 05, 2011 01:11 PM (LH6ir)

93 Six million seniors and... one Auntie Zetuni.

Posted by: Soothsayer at April 05, 2011 01:12 PM (uFokq)

94 95
All this talk about dog food when everyone with a brain knows that seniors prefer cat food. They go crazy over Fancy Feast.
Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 05, 2011 05:12 PM (G/MYk)

Purrrrrrrrfect! Our plan is working purrrrrrrrfectly!

Posted by: megalomanical kittehs bent on world domination at April 05, 2011 01:13 PM (Wqfrr)

All this talk about dog food when everyone with a brain knows that seniors prefer cat food. They go crazy over Fancy Feast.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 05, 2011 05:12 PM (G/MYk)

Hmmmm.. I noticed that they always started licking themselves whenever "Matlock" reruns came on.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 05, 2011 01:13 PM (QK1rf)

96 Show me one hungry senior citizen and I will show you one charity that has food.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at April 05, 2011 01:14 PM (Z1jiu)

97 How many seniors could be fed for the cost of Motown Night? Honestly, why is this so hard for conservatives to understand? I can already hear it in my imagination. Even Ed Morrissey would likely say "I can't begrudge Obama holding White House parties... everyone does it!" Um, fuck that. It's about time conservatives in Congress started playing hardball and demanding no more party time for the White House, or themselves. This is serious business here. The price of a White House party is less than an accounting error in the scheme of things. But the optics are much, MUCH larger. Bash Obama on his vacations, his parties, his mixers. Name the times and places and the sizes. Name that he spent perhaps $100,000 of public money on food, security, booze, etc. for this or that party. People will notice those things. The Emperor dallying while Rome burns.

Posted by: George Orwell at April 05, 2011 01:15 PM (AZGON)

98 owing to the fact that Steven Colbert revealed that Beck's contract is up soon, this week beck seems to be "going for the gold" and it is scary and he is proving it. Do the republicans not see this?

Posted by: curious at April 05, 2011 01:15 PM (k1rwm)

99 Seems like you could make quite a few meals out of six million seniors.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Borderline Cowboy Poet Rapist at April 05, 2011 01:15 PM (OW0nw)

100 All this talk about dog food when everyone with a brain knows that seniors prefer cat food. They go crazy over Fancy Feast.

Isn't that what Country Kitchen Buffet primarily serves, as their biggest customer base is the elderly?

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at April 05, 2011 01:16 PM (c0A3e)

101

All this talk about dog food when everyone with a brain knows that seniors prefer cat food. They go crazy over Fancy Feast.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 05, 2011 05:12 PM (G/MYk)

Ah, come on. Gravy Train not only had texture, it was delicious.

Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2011 01:16 PM (XROVL)

102 101 owing to the fact that Steven Colbert revealed that Beck's contract is up soon, this week beck seems to be "going for the gold" and it is scary and he is proving it. Do the republicans not see this?

Posted by: curious at April 05, 2011 05:15 PM (k1rwm)

Sorry - I was busy eating a bowl of Friskies.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 05, 2011 01:17 PM (QK1rf)

103 Seems like you could make quite a few meals out of six million seniors. Do you have the boneless seniors? I like boneless seniors. With the blue cheese sauce.

Posted by: George Orwell at April 05, 2011 01:17 PM (AZGON)

104 If anyone wants 2012 budget numbers, they are here (proceed to "Read Full Report"). The bill is being marked tomorrow and the appropriators will make cuts at their discretion from there. That's the way this process works.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 05, 2011 01:18 PM (UO6+e)

105 Seniors love Tender Vittles. They love anything with the word "vittles" in it.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 05, 2011 01:18 PM (4ZxEW)

106 beck's doing a good job of showing how unions launder money to pass on to the politicians. Now he has to show how lobbyists do the same thing. those same lobbyists he promised would be marginalized and not in his administration and then he turned around and hired them and allowed them to sign something so they wouldn't have to be up front.

Posted by: curious at April 05, 2011 01:18 PM (k1rwm)

107

In one of the bills before us, six million seniors are deprived of meals

Old people love 'Moist and Meaty'.

Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2011 01:19 PM (hki9w)

108 102 Seems like you could make quite a few meals out of six million seniors.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Borderline Cowboy Poet Rapist at April 05, 2011 05:15 PM (OW0nw)

Think of how many Social Security checks their speed whore grandkids could cash..

Posted by: TexasJew at April 05, 2011 01:19 PM (QK1rf)

109 NANCY PELOSI: "In one of the bills before us, six million seniors are deprived of meals -- homebound seniors are deprived of meals. People ask us to find our common ground, the middle ground. Is middle ground three million seniors not receiving meals?

You're right Nancy. That is nowhere close to middle ground. My negotiations start with no one, anywhere in the world, receiving meals "for free" from the U.S. government. So your 3 million number is far too high. So, as a compromise, how about we allow all the private, non-profit entities that do a far better job of these things the government provides zero dollars to to keep their tax-exempt status. Yup, that means that we'll have to subtract that from potential revenue, but we can also subtract all the subsidies, expenses, regulatory organizations, committees, and other meaningless bureaucracies from the expense side. Yup, I realize that the cut to expenses would be equal to hundreds of billions of dollars more than the potential revenue, but I'm a giver.

So you see? Grandma will actually get better meals, far more efficiently, at far less cost than ever before.

Posted by: Damiano at April 05, 2011 01:19 PM (3nrx7)

110 Old people love 'Moist and Meaty'. Weren't they a sodomy act in Catskills burlesque?

Posted by: George Orwell at April 05, 2011 01:20 PM (AZGON)

111

Fuclk 'em.

They've eaten enough.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 05, 2011 01:20 PM (QK1rf)

112

Weren't they a sodomy act in Catskills burlesque?

I think they were 'Moist and Meaty' before they were 'Cagney and Lacy'.

Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2011 01:22 PM (hki9w)

113 We save the money for feeding six million seniors, which means we save the money on their Medicare when they starve, and we save the SS payments. Friends, I found yer Keynesian Multiplier. It's a three-fer.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Borderline Cowboy Poet Rapist at April 05, 2011 01:23 PM (+61wI)

114

In one of the bills before us, six million seniors are deprived of meals

And for those seniors having special dietary concerns; there's always Science Diet dog/cat food. Hell, the choices are endless.

Posted by: Soona at April 05, 2011 01:23 PM (XROVL)

115 In one of the bills before us, six million seniors are deprived of meals Can I say two words to you? Are you listening? Krill paste.

Posted by: George Orwell at April 05, 2011 01:25 PM (AZGON)

116 Let them eat Korans. I'm not sure where I'm going with that.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Borderline Cowboy Poet Rapist at April 05, 2011 01:27 PM (+61wI)

117 I understand your plan, but it is unworkable. Anyone can propose a budget, and the Dems would have a field day with each of your mini-budgets. It would take forever, and nothing would pass.

Evidently you don't. Budgets originate in the House. The House writes the budget, forwards it to the Senate with the instructions of take it or leave it.

If the Senate tries to rewrite it and send it back they just ignore it. All it takes is balls.

If nothing gets passed then that department gets zero budget.

Posted by: Vic at April 05, 2011 01:29 PM (M9Ie6)

118 garrett, Back in the old days, before the pill, a Catholic with 5 or 6 kids was common. I went to Catholic school with kids who came from families with 8, 9, 11, up to 13 kids. TV only had 2, then 3 channels. Here's the kicker. ALL of these people in this Catholic school took good care of their kids, including the ones who had 10 and up. No food stamps, no rent subsidies. These were not families where dad had a college degree. The kids were well-fed. Everyone had a full lunch box, and decent clothes. It was common for fathers to work second jobs. One of the differences between then and now, is that it was assumed that decent human beings took responsibility for themselves and their children. Oh, and they understood the difference between spending money on things you need, and spending money on crap.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 05, 2011 01:29 PM (seRb5)

119 The Republicans need to come out and explain the economy prime time much like Ryan did. But they need to say it is serious that many Americans are already feeling it with job loss's loss of equity and personal wealth , and they are Paying attention , so serious They themselves are going to Pay so much into their own health plans and take a cut on income., pay more themselves towards their pensions That i believe would make regular citizens understand,

Posted by: willow at April 05, 2011 01:29 PM (h+qn8)

120 Let them eat Korans. Well, there seems to be a lot of fuss about delicious raisins or something. So maybe this is really just an eating binge.

Posted by: George Orwell at April 05, 2011 01:30 PM (AZGON)

121 i can dream , right?

Posted by: willow at April 05, 2011 01:30 PM (h+qn8)

122 Oh, and they understood the difference between spending money on things you need, and spending money on crap.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 05, 2011 05:29 PM (seRb5)

But how did they tweet?

Posted by: TexasJew at April 05, 2011 01:31 PM (QK1rf)

123 Figuring one meal per day at the cost of $1 per meal that equals a cost 2.1 billion dollars for the year. Is that what we have been paying to subsidize meals on wheels?

Posted by: polynikes at April 05, 2011 01:34 PM (ck/ie)

124 Why can't we feed the fat seniors to the skinny ones?

Posted by: Lowly cook at April 05, 2011 01:35 PM (oZl5+)

125 #69 And follow this song with The Reverend Horton Heat's "Eat Meat".

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 05, 2011 01:38 PM (seRb5)

126 Fight back USA was today. Billed as a 60's style teach in meets the digital age per beck. The stars were francis fox piven, cornell west and rihard trump ya. "tree of corporate distruction".....he has quotes...

Posted by: curious at April 05, 2011 01:39 PM (k1rwm)

127

121 I went to Catholic school with kids who came from families with 8, 9, 11, up to 13 kids. ....... Oh, and they understood the difference between spending money on things you need, and spending money on crap

yeah, like us

Posted by: trojan rubbers at April 05, 2011 01:40 PM (EOu3d)

128 "Does anything better represent the frivolous, incompetent, entitled, party-all-the-time-while-others-do-the-work mentality of Barack Obama and his skank-ass, bitch-face wife better than Motown Night?" Worst part of all this? I LIKE Motown music and these f**kers have ruined it for me.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 05, 2011 01:40 PM (seRb5)

129 Seems like you could make quite a few meals out of six million seniors.

Too fatty, stringy. Like eating some kind jerky tapioca.

Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at April 05, 2011 01:41 PM (+lsX1)

130 "I'll be honest, I'm no fan of cannibalism, or eating one's pets for sustenance." Well my mommy stocked up on canned soup and spaghetti-o's, so I won't have to worry about ending up in a stew. It's called personal responsibility.

Posted by: nerdygirl's beagle at April 05, 2011 01:43 PM (seRb5)

131 Figuring one meal per day at the cost of $1 per meal that equals a cost 2.1 billion dollars for the year. Is that what we have been paying to subsidize meals on wheels?

Posted by: polynikes at April 05, 2011 05:34 PM (ck/ie)

I recall some figures on this and you are waaaay off. Those govt Meals on Wheels were running around $7 a pop. It might of been even higher; I'm too lazy to hunt the link right now. I just remember thinking 'fuck, I could serve them steak every night for that price.'

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 05, 2011 01:43 PM (ENKCw)

132

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 05, 2011 05:29 PM (seRb5)

I know this and was just playing...'It'd be cheaper to get a television' is an old standby punchline for Catholic families.

Posted by: garrett at April 05, 2011 01:43 PM (BRuAh)

133 Boehner should hit this point harder and accuse the Democrats of trying to conjure up an illusion and then attempting to enlist the Republicans in joining them in selling a lie to the public; that is, cast them as the villains they are, attempting to enlist fresh recruits for a conspiracy.

Why can one Ewok pounding away at a typewriter come up with a better strategery than the Republican leadership?

Posted by: FUBAR at April 05, 2011 01:45 PM (McG46)

134 "6 million cans of dog food. Soft, of course.." Actually, mix in some chopped potatoes and it would resemble my secret vice, canned, greasy corned beef hash. I love the "plop" sound it makes when it comes out of the can, and the yummy aroma of mystery meat. Oh, and I try to not think about what parts of the cow go into the so called beef.

Posted by: nerdygirl's beagle at April 05, 2011 01:52 PM (seRb5)

135 They understood the difference between spending money on things you need, and spending money on crap.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 05, 2011 05:29 PM (seRb5)

I agree, and some of us Kids worked too. It always felt good to help out and have a little pocket change of our own.

Posted by: CatLady at April 05, 2011 01:53 PM (CyPWX)

136 "Show me one hungry senior citizen and I will show you one charity that has food." Exactly, Guy, I'm involved, through my church, with making stuff, once a month for a meals program. Last week I delivered Spaghetti Bake for 20. Almost every church I know of is involved in something like this. How many times per year do you think that Nancy Pelosi cooks food for the po' folks? Sure is nice to be able to give away other people's money and pat yourself on the back for being generous and caring.

Posted by: nerdygirl's beagle at April 05, 2011 02:01 PM (seRb5)

137 Some charity brings food to my grandmother every month. She doesn't need it, she's told them she doesn't need it. They keep bringing it. She tries to give it to us and her neighbors.

What did we do before the gummint social safety net? We didn't all starve to death on the street corner.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 05, 2011 02:05 PM (McG46)

138 "Why are we feeding seniors anyway? They are already receiving SS and medical coverage."

They're all spread out living alone in their homes and are too old to cook for themselves..so they get curb service. Or, they're still getting around so we give them coupons to eat at restaurants. What you wanna screw over the restaurant owners?

Posted by: Senile Citizens Center at April 05, 2011 02:09 PM (GdalM)

139
No more Enron accounting.

Yes. Why isn't the government (all of them) subject to GAAP and any relevant parts of Sarbanes-Oxley?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at April 05, 2011 02:12 PM (1hM1d)

Posted by: the gummint at April 05, 2011 02:17 PM (k1rwm)

141 Yes. Why isn't the government (all of them) subject to GAAP and any relevant parts of Sarbanes-Oxley?

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie Â© at April 05, 2011 06:12 PM (1hM1d)

Because they're in charge. It'd have to be an amendment. Even then, it'd be struck down. There's really no way to force them to be responsible.

Posted by: FUBAR at April 05, 2011 02:20 PM (McG46)

142 Pelosi you BITCH you will burn in HELL! The fucking Feds stole $15,000 from me this week in "taxes". I will make it my personal mission to screw the government every fucking chance I get.

Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofensmirtz at April 05, 2011 02:28 PM (GgiGb)

143 Frankly, I'm delighted the government is shutting down. With any luck it will stay shut down. I'm looking forward to the day D.C. becomes a virtual wasteland.

Posted by: Dr. Heinz Doofensmirtz at April 05, 2011 02:35 PM (GgiGb)

144

@9: "They will never draw lines in the sand and say no farther we will not
aid you in the destruction of the republic."

They're too eager to participate. Lotta looting to stillbe done on the corpse of the nation.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at April 05, 2011 02:54 PM (xy9wk)

145

Shut it down.

Ryan/Rubio 2012

Posted by: ChristyBlinky at April 05, 2011 02:59 PM (FnRYN)

146 When it comes down to it, neither Dems or Repubs will make the hard choices to really fix what is broken. This country slipped over the edge about a decade ago, and all these idiots are arguing about is how much grease to put on the skids. We cannot continue to spend money we do not have, and every year we "kick the can" makes it harder to dig out of.

It has reached the point of giving up on these a**holes in Washington to do anything to really stop the crash, and start buying guns, ammo and food. When the crash hits and all of the inner city idiots stop getting their welfare check, we will see how much change we have allowed Obama to give us. At that point, God help us all (and Smith and Wesson).

Posted by: SCTA at April 05, 2011 07:42 PM (+WwML)

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