1 Let it shut down while GOP passes CRs and Toonces is out fundraising.

2 How about cutting Obama's salary from the budget?  I don't imagine it's used to pay the White House utilities or for the kitchen supplies there.

3

I think we should withdraw our military from afghanistan and occupy washington.

It's the only way to be sure.

4 Boehner doesn't have the stones to make his $12b CR gambit succeed. He will pass his CR and then bail out Harry Reid by agreeing to a budget for the balance of the year that features a whopping 33b reduction. Then his mouthpieces on Fox and in the blogs will toast his Courage while citing to polls to justify his cave.

5 Let's furlough Congress. Let those useless fuckers go without a paycheck until they do their goddammed job.

6 In an interview with ABC News conducted Wednesday and released Thursday morning:

Boehner and Obama have struggled to agree to a bill to avert a government shutdown this spring, but it is just one area in which they donÂ’t see eye-to-eye. An even bigger one on the horizon is the battle over the 2012 budget and broader efforts to reform entitlement programs and cut government spending.

“The president— I’ve been begging the president for months, ‘Mr. President, let’s lock arms,’” Boehner said.

Obama’s response, the speaker said: “’Oh, well — I’d like to work with you, but we’ll see. We’ll see.’ When are we going to face up to the big challenges that our country faces?” The president, meanwhile, has been frustrated by what he sees as Boehner’s intransigence.

Nonetheless, Boehner said he and Obama have “always had a very good relationship” and “get along fine.” But, he said, “we have very different visions for what America should look like and what the role of the federal government should be.”

So, Stephanopoulos asked, might 18 holes of golf be a good way for the two men to work out a deal? “I would hope not,” Boehner said, before adding that he wouldn’t turn down an invitation. “Well, no — if the president invites me to play golf, it’s the president. You don’t say no to the president.”



A little more fire in the blood would be nice, John...

7 How about cutting Obama's salary from the budget?  I don't imagine it's used to pay the White House utilities or for the kitchen supplies there.

Le sigh. More "constitutional conservatives" ignorant of the Constitution?

Never heard of the Salary Clause, huh Darth?

And your homework, SicSemper, is to look up the 27th Amendment.

8 Yes, trust the people who polled Charlie Sheen as a viable candidate, although in fairness, Sheen's stupidity has no real world effect on me, unlike the other yutz.

9 Never heard of the Salary Clause, huh Darth?

And your homework, SicSemper, is to look up the 27th Amendment.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at April 07, 2011 08:01 AM (XVaFd)

Yeah Darth, it's right in between the Marriage Clause and the Right To Serve In The Military Clause as anyone with a cursory knowledge of the Constitution knows.

10 Anyone ever see the film "The Cat's-Paw"? It's from 1934, starring Harold Lloyd. It's about a young missionary to China back in the US just to find a wife who gets picked to be the straw candidate to oppose the machine's candidate in a mayoral election. Well, an odd turn of events leads to his winning the election, and when he thwarts the machine crooks at every opportunity, they contrive to frame him, and his party abandons him. Faced with certain removal by the Governor, he orders his police chief to arrest every shady crook in the city. He then convinces them that he is going to behead them one by one unless they confess to all their crimes. It works. It's awesome. Maybe that's what Gov. Walker in WI should do. . . .

11 The idea that Americans would blame Republicans for the dog dying of hunger because the Democrats refused to feed it for 2 years seems kind of silly to me.  However, you can pretty much count on polls from the MSM vastly overweighting Democrats that say just that.

The BEAUTY of Boehner's move here is that since he is offering to pay the Military, if the Dems reject this it is THEY who will be starving the military.

12 Where's the DOOM thread?

13 I'm kinda 50-50 on the continuing resolution. Philisophically I am dead set against it, but being in the Navy, I'd like to get paid.

14 . . .and Gabe, yes, I do know that it violates the Constitution in several ways. But if you can dream of butternut ice pickles, I can dream of sweet revenge, can't I?

15 Wow, I can kill a thread at any time of the day or night!

16 When I look in the mirror, all I see is a big boner.   TMI?

17

 When you're wondering why Republicans can't seem to get anything done despite their hold on the House, look in the mirror, kids.

 

What?  I'll support him more when he does what I want him to do more.

18
Scanning for early morning comments on SE Cupp's hooters and stuff?

19 Boehner's polling is down (assuming it is) because he is doing a lousy job. Simple as that. His only goal seems to be avoiding blame by the socialist press. The result is weak leadership and further drift down the River of Financial Oblivion.

20

Trump was just on Morning Joe...he's really amping up the questions about Ogabe

The Donald says he has PIs on the ground in HI and is finding out a lot of shit

21 You know, if they're going to demagogue you for cutting $6 billion, they're gonna demagogue you for cutting $100 billion.  Dollar-per-dollar, you'll get off easier going for the big bucks.

22

The Donald says he has PIs on the ground in HI and is finding out a lot of shit

Posted by: beedubya at April 07, 2011 08:24 AM (AnTyA)

 

Gee, that sounds like something a JOURNALIST might do!

23 A lousy job? Let's see. So far he's secured $10 billion in cuts in five weeks, passed a bill to restart the DC school voucher program, repealed the business-killing 1099 provision of ObamaCare, launched Congress' own legal defense of DOMA since DOJ won't, passed budget riders to prevent EPA's global warmening power grab, defund NPR and Planned Parenthood, and halt ObamaCare implementation.

What the hell else do you want him to do? He can't actually pass bills himself (that takes the Senate, where the ever-so-helpful DeMint-and-palls have been joining Democrats to vote against the GOP bills that Boehner is sending).

24 Text of H.R. 1363, the 1st vote of the morning

25 I suppose, since you think Boehner is doing such a lousy job, you guys are opposed to:

defunding NPR
defunding Planned Parenthood
blocking the EPA power grab
blocking the FCC net neutrality power grab
defending DOMA
halting ObamaCare implementation
DC school vouchers program
funding the military through a shutdown

Because that's all stuff that Boehner did and that the "socialist press" are hopping mad about. It's nice to know which side you're on, though.

26 McCarthy said yesterday that he didn't need one Dem vote and Rep. Pence and even nitpicky RSC head Jim Jordan are on-board for this one. The primary questions now are whether Reid will pass and if Obama will sign.

27 It is so funny how the MSM is already spinning the impending shutdown as the Republicans fault. I do blame the Speaker for this mess, but it isn't the current one for sure.  The Democrats failed in their duty to passing a budget by Oct 1, 2010 and every one in Congress should have stopped being paid as of 1 October. I my world that should mean that no one in Congress gets paid until they pass a damn budget. And you don't get to cheat with CRs because those can be used for the rest of government, but not the yahoo's that didn't do their job in the first place. 

There should be consequences for poor governing and losing your pay is just the first step.  Think about this if all pay stopped until a budget was past how much quicker would the greedy bastards in the Senate would be tripping all over themselves to pass HR1 or maybe some whacked out piece of crap last year. Maybe we could have won the Senate if they actually passed a 2010 budget.

Going around bashing any Republican is pretty silly since the House passed a budget months ago and it is the Senate and President that have now failed to do their job for months now.  HR1 is out there if they want to prove that they want to avoid a government shutdown. The Republicans are not without fault for their years of stupidity, but they are at least trying to do the right things.  We should just keeping punching friends and foes alike in the face, that should get us a better government.

As for the 2012, I am all for block grants if it means slashing the government in Washington that administers the programs.  Also, while we are at it why not slash Dept of Ed and Dept of Energy as they are completely failed money wasters.  I wonder how long before people realize that you can't keep taking from people who actually try to make money and give it to those who don't bother.  Pretty soon more and more people just won't bother and the whole thing collapses.  Enjoy whining about how much the rich don't pay and how we should keep soaking big business because when all the businesses shutter their doors and there are no more jobs see if that welfare blood sucker is going to give you a job. Just my moronic view of the world.

28 14 I'm kinda 50-50 on the continuing resolution. Philisophically I am dead set against it, but being in the Navy, I'd like to get paid.   My dad and I will sometimes talk about politics.  He's a liberal republican country club type.  He says to me sometimes, "There's philosophy, and then there's cash."

29 Text of H.R. 1363, the 1st vote of the morning

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 07, 2011 08:31 AM (UO6+e)

Do they know that Obama isn't even out of bed yet?

30

When you're wondering why Republicans can't seem to get anything done despite their hold on the House, look in the mirror, kids.

Gabe, not to put too fine of a point on it, but what the hell does that mean?

31

But Obama says we won't have a cherry blossom parade if the govt shuts down!

/

32 Gabe, not to put too fine of a point on it, but what the hell does that mean?

There is an ancient Vulcan proverb: "United we stand, divided we fall."

33 THESE IDIOTS GOT OUR DAMN BLESSING IN NOV 2010 TO CUT THESE STUPID PROGRAMS AND BALANCE THE DAMN BUDGET.....SO DON'T TELL ME TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR.......

34

I watched the newer Clash of the Titans last night.  For a dollar, it was totally almost worth it.

 

35

There is an ancient Vulcan proverb: "United we stand, divided we fall."

There is a contemporary Circa proverb:  "Business as usual sucks."

36

I'll also give Boehner credit for changing his mind on the amount he wanted for H.R. 1, for budging on entitlement reform*, and for allowing more than I thought he would for the 2012 budget. The leadership still leaned on Budget and didn't give them as much freedom as they could have, but I'm still surprised they endorsed as much as they did.

_{*Though it did take him 4mos} 

37 It tastes like eating crow but I can admit that Boehner is doing good here with a one week 12 billion cut and the military funding.

38

Social security recipients still get their checks in the event of a shutdown, but our fighting men and women don't get paid.  Tell me THAT isn't a leftist idea.

39

Will also add that the Budget mark-up yielded at least $100B more in spending cuts-- I think that was for defense*-- and the bill made it through committee 22-16.

_{*Decreasing further waste at DoD was 33-5, w/ Ryan voting aye.}

40 Donald Trump!11!1!!1!1!!11!

41

Gee, maybe if Boehner would lead us where we want to go, we would support him.

And, please tell me, if we are running a 1.6 trillion dollar deficit, why does the government have any non-essential personnel?

42 I love CNN. For the past two days they have had articles with headlines "Tea Party Gunning for a Shut Down" and "Tea Party Activists: Shut 'er down!" And then right above it an article about how much Obama is working to prevent a shutdown.

Screw those bastards. Where are the articles about Democrats refusing to compromise and hoping for a shut down because they think they can win? Or the article about Obama playing golf while STILL refusing to pass last years budget.

43 "Related: PPP has Speaker Boehner's favorability down 10 percentage points since the beginning of the year. And that's not just from Democrats and Independents. Faithless Republicans have also abandoned him -- at a slightly greater rate (-11%) than the national average. When you're wondering why Republicans can't seem to get anything done despite their hold on the House, look in the mirror, kids."

Republicans are tired of being played.  They have no patience for BS anymore.  Yeah, do they eat their own and leave the dems the carcass, yep, but, now at this point, they want guarantees, they're beyond the point of empty promises.  It seems the new mantra of the average republican voter is now "Actions speak louder than words".  But in modern terms "show me the money"

44

I love CNN. For the past two days they have had articles with headlines "Tea Party Gunning for a Shut Down" and "Tea Party Activists: Shut 'er down!" And then right above it an article about how much Obama is working to prevent a shutdown.

You make it sound like they're rooting for Obama.  I'm rooting for the shutdown.

45 And, please tell me, if we are running a 1.6 trillion dollar deficit, why does the government have any non-essential personnel?

"Essential personnel" is a bit of a misnomer. You know there'll be no deportations, or criminal prosecutions during a shutdown, right? DHS and DOJ attorneys are, with a few exceptions for cases already scheduled for court hearings, not deemed "essential."

46

I love CNN. For the past two days they have had articles with headlines "Tea Party Gunning for a Shut Down" and "Tea Party Activists: Shut 'er down!" And then right above it an article about how much Obama is working to prevent a shutdown.

They also ran a story yesterday about the price of gas increaing 20% since January.

The graphic had gas at $2.84 in January and $3.70 now.

Do the math on that and tell me if that is 20%.

Hint:  To their credit the answer does contain a zero.

47 there wouldn't be any deportations, nor significant prosecutions even if the full DOJ were there.

48 "Essential personnel" is a bit of a misnomer. You know there'll be no deportations, or criminal prosecutions during a shutdown, right? DHS and DOJ attorneys are, with a few exceptions for cases already scheduled for court hearings, not deemed "essential."

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at April 07, 2011 08:53 AM (XVaFd)

I'm afraid you've just stepped in shit.

49 CNN had a crawl saying Ryan's budget proposal would cut 6 billion over 10 years.  Shit you not.

50 >>You know there'll be no deportations, or criminal prosecutions during a shutdown, right? So Aunt Zenuti won't be deported during a shutdown?

51

You know there'll be no deportations, or criminal prosecutions during a shutdown, right?

Heaven help us, how will the republic survive?

Also, children will starve.

The nation will grow dumb as education lapses.

NPR will not speak truth to power....of the government it gets money from....

Granny will eat dog food.

Grandpa's pacemaker batteries will go dead with no Medicare replacements.

And on and on....

Sorry, Gabe, you will have to try significantly harder than that.

52 Oh yea and the article on CNN.com right after Ryan publicized his budget was "Medicaid reduced by $1trillion in GOP plan" and then the opening picture is a baby on an operating table wearing an operating mask while the dad is holding the baby's head and arm and looking frantic. That shit is sickening as if Republicans are the baby killers.

http://tinyurl.com/445j2r5

53 53 CNN had a crawl saying Ryan's budget proposal would cut 6 billion over 10 years.  Shit you not.

Well that's only a minor mistake on their part. _*snort*

54

It is unusual for people to like serial killers more even when they decide to murder less frequently than they previously did.

In other news, the House Republicans haven't quite yet cleared up that little matter of a $1.65T deficit for FY 11.  And FY 12 ain't looking too good either, despite Paul Ryan's relatively heroic efforts.

55

The Republicans should stop arguing with the Dems about 66 billion and tell the American people that Obama has increased the size of the budget by trillions in two years. Then point out the hypocrisy/lies of Democrats .

They should have been shaping the message since the Dems  took over congress in 2007. 

56 Some people capitalize randomly.  I like to italicize randomly.

57 Independents, who will be crucial in Election 2012, favor a budget solution 60% to 29%.

The historical evidence is to the contrary.  The House GOP was not punished by the electorate the last time, and Dole lost because of the support Perot garnered.  If anything, the historical view should be that Gingrich didn't cut enough, close it down long enough, and was (as we discovered later) a spineless fop.  A harder line would have appeased the Perot crowd (a parallel to today's Tea party); and the world would have never known who Monica Lewinsky and Jamie Gorelick were.

58 Something tells me the world would know of Jamie Gorelick one way or another.  You can't hide a living engine of destruction like that forever.

59 The military funding is the big deal. If he gets that, the shutdown is coming, and despite the ABC nightly news stories about how federal funding for science is stopped (affecting 60 children), most Americans will look around and see not much in the way of their lives being changed. At that point every republican needs to start their interview off by saying "12 billion dollars saved today by the govt being shut down, that's a total of 36 billion for these 3 days" (or however many days it has been). I'm not sure 12 billion would be the right number given the military and entitlements still going out, but reminding the American people what is being saved without it affecting them is key. The left could care less about the military, it's a pawn to them, if the right can get the military paid, it's bad news for the dems in my opinion.

60 They ought to cut off funding to Barry's golf games and vacations

61 53 CNN had a crawl saying Ryan's budget proposal would cut 6 billion over 10 years.  Shit you not.

They're only off by x1000 fold.  Good enough for gov't work. 

62 It isn't just Boehnor, it is the entire Repubic establishment.  They PLEDGED to cut 100 billion dollars from the pre-stimulus budget.

Then the snakes, after the election of course, said it was 100 billion off of Barky's proposed 2011 budget.  Then it became 33 billion until the Tea Party freshman revolted, then it became 66 billion.

He hasn't led, he has lied.  If Boehnor is still the limp-wristed linguini-spined leader by the time the 2012 elections come around, the republican party will be a dead party.

All tea party freshman and conservatives need to call for a vote of no confidence in this sniveling weasel.

63 Faithless Republicans have also abandoned him -- at a slightly greater rate (-11%) than the national average. When you're wondering why Republicans can't seem to get anything done despite their hold on the House, look in the mirror, kids. To quote the great Voltaire: "The perfect is the enemy of the good." Boehner has been doing a good job. He's pushed for and passed a LOT of red meat for the conservative base. But seeing as Republicans only have the House, he has to be smart about it. He has to strategize to push what he can. Some of you want him to ran through legislation that is "perfect", which has absolutely zero chance of getting passed, and dub him a loser and a RINO when he doesn't. Well, he has to choose his battles at the moment. He knows quite well that the real fight will be over the Ryan plan. He can't sacrifice everything NOW and engage in total warfare over the 2011 budget, which would endanger things for the real battle to come.

64

Hey Gabe (regarding related),

Maybe if Boehner defunded the $105 B from ObamaCare, communicated to the public the need to eliminate this self-funding provision as promised during the 2010 election, and stood on that principle, even if it resulted in a government shutdown, then maybe he would have a higher standing with Republicans.

Or we can blame the American people.  They just don't understand effective leadership that includes crying during interviews with Leslie Stahl, or last night during negotiations (as reported by the media).

I know we just need to follow the advice of wise sages like yourself.  If former House member Mike Castle was Speaker, everthing would be pixie dust and unicorn skittles.  Us rubes just don't understand effective leadership and excellent leaders.

65

68 Scoob,

I'm not Gabe, but I can say that ObamaCare is repealed and defunded in the 2012 budget. Some lawmakers are still planning stand-alone legislation to hammer the point home multiple times but it's still gone. Only problem is that Reid and Obama will never vote for and sign it (respectively).

66

Also something interesting about polls.

Some commentators tell folks that if a poll result is against taking a conservative principled stand, then we should listen to the poll.

If a poll shows a failure for not taking a conservative principled stand, then there is something wrong with the people.

 I think it is time for us to buck-up and take a stand.

67 34 Gabe, not to put too fine of a point on it, but what the hell does that mean?

There is an ancient Vulcan proverb: "United we stand, divided we fall."
Sounds like an argument for hopping on the O-train to paradise, where we will be united in socialist bliss.

68

Gabe, Many conservatives are angry because they thought that victory last November meant Obamacare would be defunded. Period. That spending would be massively cut. Period. That Obama's unconstitutional Czars and his affirmative action Attorney General would be investigated. Period.

There is bound to be disappointment as the house GOP dances around with these little CRs that don't cut much. We kinda expect them to fall on their swords stopping the madness. Looks like politicians always disappoint, don't they? 

69

71

Dear Miss:

ObamaCare is not repealled until the repeal is signed into law.

When ObamaCare was passed in March 2010, it had self-funding provisions of $105 billion over ten years (unlike most legislation where the funding is separate).  Unless that money is yanked, ObamaCare is being funding and implemented.  Bureaucrats are being hired at HHS and contracts are being signed.  Companies will be making money off the new rules and regulations. 

Passing continuing resolutions in 2011 funds ObamaCare.

Michele Bachmann and Steve King have raised these issues, as well as Mark Levin's radio show.

Do you think that those companies will not act to preserve their profits when we finally have a repeal vote in 2012, 2013, or 2014?

I want to kill the beast in the incubator.

 

70 Something tells me the world would know of Jamie Gorelick one way or another.  You can't hide a living engine of destruction like that forever.

Sort of like that disaster magnet Scandi couple.

71

76 71 I understand that, but they already passed a repeal and several defunding riders and there's now no money for it in the 2012 budget. None. So to me, as you point-out in your first sentence, the issue is more that the Senate won't pass said repeal and defunding and Obama won't sign it.

I'd also argue that not passing a CR doesn't automatically defund ObamaCare. Additionally, your argument means that the House better compromise on an agreement with the Senate and the WH sooner rather than later because such monies would continue. So we're essentially in a bind here because the House has done their job and choked the funding several times but the funding will continue so long as these provisions remain unpassed and unsigned.

72 In other words, I'm saying the House Rs have done and are doing their part on this but the Senate Dems and the WH refuse to do anything about it. But this is unsurprisingly a trend for Reid and Obama because they don't care about public opinion or the good of the country; they just want power and will use obstructionism (if necessary) to retain it. So we're stuck.

73 Well, my approval of boehner is down as well, but it is only because he has been sounding like a feckless douchebag, not because he is pushing too hard to cut.  I bet that is why he is down amongst Republicans too.  Recently he seems a bit less feckless, so maybe my approval will go up a bit.

74 I'm missing something here. As recently as last week I kept hearing that a shutdown isn't that big a deal because there is an exisitng law to fund essential services even in the absence of agreement on a CR. And "essential services" was defined broadly enough to include about 80% of the federal government and we were only looking at furloughing about 800K employees, no stopping SS checks, no effect on military. Now this week the talk is about military not getting paid. Was the older information wrong?

75

Gabe: A lousy job? Let's see. So far he's secured $10 billion in cuts in five weeks,

10 b against a promise of 100b and against the reality of hundreds of b needed. Winning!

..., passed a bill to restart the DC school voucher program,

High on the list of priorities if you have kids in private school in DC, but not high on anyone else's list

repealed the business-killing 1099 provision of ObamaCare

nice, but that was a slamdunk and not the Repeal promised. To the contrary, blocked efforts by Bachmann and King to defund Ocare implementation

launched Congress' own legal defense of DOMA since DOJ won't,

cite or it didn't happen

 passed budget riders to prevent EPA's global warmening power grab,

I must have missed it. Cite or it didn't happen

defund NPR and Planned Parenthood, and halt ObamaCare implementation.

I must have missed it. Cite or it didn't happen

76

78

You assume that the 2012 budget will be law.  But if the leadership is unwilling to stand on principle in 2011, what confidence do you have for 2012?  What changes?  Why don't they cave in 2012 to avoid a shutdown?  In other words, they amend their proposed 2012 budget to include funding for  O-care to avoid a shutdown.

So, we won't pay the military but we would implement ObamaCare during a shutdown?  Is implementing ObamaCare essential services that would have an exclusion during a shutdown?

During normal times, I would think not.  But with this administration, who knows.

I (and Michele Bachmann, Steve King, Jim Jordan) would disagree with your assessment that the House has done their job.  They need to pass a waiver in the House rules (as they have done over hundred times previously in this session) to defund ObamaCare.  If government shuts down over such a provision, then I would argue that is a hill worth dying on (as they promised in 2010).

77 I'm not down on JB yet.The current house members are fighting and winning in various areas a small piece at a time.This is what most folks sent them there to do. That being said, it was "both" sides of the isle that got this country to the point it is at now, we expect much,much more from repealing or starving Obama care into oblivion to following through on Ryan's "Road to prosperity" plan. The true test is now in effect, ignore and rebuke ALL state media coverage and nut your way through on what we sent you there to do. If they do, they will be rewarded with another term,if not then the party will suffer as well as the country in total.

78 Posted by: Old grizzled gym coach at April 07, 2011 09:12 AM (yMeZt)

Speaking to that issue, heard yesterday that Michelle Bachman's seat is being redistricted out.  So, now you have a woman with literally nothing to lose.  The speaker postulated that she could lead a very effective revolt to remove boehner and it would come sooner rather than later.

79 How about cutting Obama's salary from the budget?  I don't imagine it's used to pay the White House utilities or for the kitchen supplies there.

Le sigh. More "constitutional conservatives" ignorant of the Constitution?

Never heard of the Salary Clause, huh Darth?

And your homework, SicSemper, is to look up the 27th Amendment.



27th Amendment:

No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.

Hmm.

80

Gabe, not to put too fine of a point on it, but what the hell does that mean?

It means that the Republicans polled as abandoning Boehner have no interest in actually solving the problem when the alternative is loudly screaming about how, goddammit, nobody is interested in solving the problem. It's all so much easier when you don't have to actually do anything. Not to put too fine a point on it, but too many Republicans are turning into the same emotionally driven children we see on the left.

Which, not conincidentally, is exactly the same brilliant strategy that got Obama elected in the first place: McCain was a bad awful squishy maverick and would make the Republicans look bad, and we won't support him. And besides, when Obama wins and screws stuff up it'll teach all those fools a good lesson! So, how do you like the lesson so far, guys?

81

Our military could make their payroll for 50 years if they invaded Saudi Arabia.

Just sayin'

82 You want to make payroll for 50 years? Take Saudi Arabia!

83 Posted by: Galos Gann at April 07, 2011 09:51 AM (T3KlW) Well put.

84 It sounds like you, Gabe, are afraid of the shutdown. Are you? If so, why?

85 shit...Get B+rry on the phone stat!

86 If so, why? Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at April 07, 2011 09:55 AM (dT+/n) Because we will get fucked. First ensure that our military gets funding for the rest of the year, THEN take the brinksmanship up a notch. If the gov't stops but the soldiers keep getting paid, then there is a lot less that will be pinned on us (and nobody will notice the change, essentially)

87 83 78 You assume that the 2012 budget will be law.  But if the leadership is unwilling to stand on principle in 2011, what confidence do you have for 2012?  What changes?  Why don't they cave in 2012 to avoid a shutdown?  In other words, they amend their proposed 2012 budget to include funding for  O-care to avoid a shutdown...   I'm not assuming that it will become law at all; I was merely pointing-out that the Rs did their duty and the Dems haven't done theirs. Further, I do think many more members of the RSC and the freshmen will fight for it though, and from having observed this budgeteers for several months (a mixture from both groups), I'm certain they'll fight for it. They and especially their leader Paul Ryan may be the last ones standing at the end of the day, but they're serious about this.   As for your next point, the funding of ObamaCare continues as per your own words regardless of what the House passes. The House has been passing bill after bill after bill that Harry Reid has either been sitting-on or he purposely makes it fail because he simply doesn't want to deal with it. You can check the congressional record to look at all the bills they have offered that have been shot-down by Dingy Harry.   With regards to Michele Bachmann and Steve King, they are writing their own bill that doesn't have to make it through Rules, as both have said. As for Rep. Jordan, he never thinks the House does its job unless it always gets 100%. I was once a huge fan of his but he has turned his attention towards purposely dividing the conference and he'll stab even those within RSC in the back just to get his own way. Doesn't matter if Boehner failed them too; he'll still step-over them as much as Boehner.

88

Let's try that again:

I'm not assuming that it will become law at all; I was merely pointing-out that the Rs did their duty and the Dems haven't done theirs. Further, I do think many more members of the RSC and the freshmen will fight for it though, and from having observed this budgeteers for several months (a mixture from both groups), I'm certain they'll fight for it. They and especially their leader Paul Ryan may be the last ones standing at the end of the day, but they're serious about this.  

As for your next point, the funding of ObamaCare continues as per your own words regardless of what the House passes. The House has been passing bill after bill after bill that Harry Reid has either been sitting-on or he purposely makes it fail because he simply doesn't want to deal with it. You can check the congressional record to look at all the bills they have offered that have been shot-down by Dingy Harry.  

 

With regards to Michele Bachmann and Steve King, they are writing their own bill that doesn't have to make it through Rules, as both have said. As for Rep. Jordan, he never thinks the House does its job unless it always gets 100%. I was once a huge fan of his but he has turned his attention towards purposely dividing the conference and he'll stab even those within RSC in the back just to get his own way. Doesn't matter if Boehner failed them too; he'll still step-over them as much as Boehner.

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Ok, if the government shuts down, wouldn't that stop funding for implementing ObamaCare?  Why would ObamaCare implementation be considered essential?

90 Boehner could tell America what disingenuous, stupid, untrustworthy liars the dems and Barky are.  It's no secret - everyone knows that Barky is a pathological liar - but America is stunned that almost no one has the guts to say it.

It absolutely baffles me to no end why he doesn't do this...why any R doesn't get out in front of the cameras and do this.  You can damned well bet that Pelosi would.  I'm so sick and tired of our party being Mr. Nice Guy.  We're in this fight with ruthless liars who are literally dismantling this country.  Sorry Gabe, but I have been pretty disappointed in Boehner thus far.  He needs some Christie bravado.

91

What do you me he's not available?

Fuel my plane!

92 If Boehner's political strategy is to nickle and dime the deficit down, and Boehner's now polling ten points lower, then clearly, his political strategy to nickle and dime the deficit down is backfiring.  He needs to change his approach.

And the people who want him to discontinue this method are the crazy ones?

93 I'm still a pile of steaming radioactive shit!

94 96 94 Ok, if the government shuts down, wouldn't that stop funding for implementing ObamaCare?  Why would ObamaCare implementation be considered essential?

It's not-- but you'd have to shutdown the govt until you have retained a Republican majority in the House, gotten one in the Senate, and have a Republican president for it to matter.

95 >>Sorry Gabe, but I have been pretty disappointed in Boehner thus far. He needs some Christie bravado. Christie is a governor, the chief executive of his state. He has powers that Boehner as a legislator does not have. I don't think there's a person who posts here (save the trolls) who don't want to see huge cuts in spending. All we are arguing about is process. Those advocating that Boehner should hold a much harder line, hold out for much larger cuts need to demonstrate exactly how those cuts would pass the Senate and get signed by Obama or they need to demonstrate how, in the absence of an agreement, a government shutdown caused by the Republicans refusing to even looking they are willing to negotiate would be helpful to Republicans in the long run. I've seen no evidence and just asserting "The American people would support them" without any evidence isn't proof. The idea, as Charlie Sheen points out, is to win. The process of governing, often compared to sausage making, has never been pretty. But under Boehner's leadership the conversation in DC is now about how much to cut not how much to spend. That alone is a sea change. I'm willing to see where this goes before tossing out a guy who's been in his job 3 months.

96 Hmm.

Posted by: toby928™ at April 07, 2011 09:48 AM (GTbGH)

Toby, I mentioned the Salary Clause too. You know, the Salary Clause? Article II, Sec. 1, Clause 7.

97 Posted by: Scoob at April 07, 2011 10:01 AM (T7+JL)

because CBS need their money silly.

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But if the government is shutdown, that would delay implentation as long as the government was shutdown.

And if you required the 105 billion to be defunded for operating the government, then it would take place before 2012.  Bachmann and King have asked for a waiver from the Rules Committee to defund the 105 billion from the CR, and the House Leadership has refused the waiver.

Again, it is my personal opinion that this is a hill worth dying on, as promised by the Republicans in 2010.

99

They should say 'The same number of grannies will starve as they did under Pelosi's 2008 budget. FYNQ.'

Maybe they need to carry around graphs like Ross Perot and show the difference between 61 Billion and the 1600 Billion defecit. And say 'This is the little bar that Dems are willing to shut down the Government for, hardly EXTREME. Now this other bar, the 1600 Billion of debt we will add this year, THAT is EXTREME!.'

100 I really urge all of you who want to know what the House does every day to check the websites I mentioned more often. The easiest website section to visit is the U.S. House of Representatives Roll Call Votes because you'll see a summary of the legislation along with the bill designation and the roll call (obviously). But so many things occur every day that you're not told about by the MFM; they also usually will not let you see leadership pressers.

101

Amen, JackStraw. But the had better figure out some way to de-fund Obamacare before the next election, or it's gonna be ugly.

The base will go third party or sit home, Obama and the dems will win big everywhere, the media will sell it as a massive endorsement for Big Government and we're done.

102 Posted by: JackStraw at April 07, 2011 10:15 AM (TMB3S)

Ah, so you were reporter on MSNBC this morning ambushing the republican congressman and making him sorry he agreed to the interview.

o/t:  Al Sharpton, who is literally half the man he used to be, is on touting hsi latest cause celeb and his billboard "welcome to American home of 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's prisoners".   He and Bo want sentencing and drug laws eased up.  Guess today's MSNBS appearance was the kickoff.

103 107 103 But if the government is shutdown, that would delay implentation as long as the government was shutdown....   Then we should have shutdown the govt after gaveling into the 1st session because it was the only way to "kill" ObamaCare. Though if IRRC, some of the funding tucked into the bill is considered mandatory, so there's that.   Also, while the rider is good as a point of policy, it has to be passed by the Senate and signed by Obama, just like every other rider. It would be somewhat different if we still had the line-item veto but it would still have to follow the same procedure. That's why there is such a fuss about riders in certains quarters, is because they have to pass and be signed through normal means.

104 Article II, Sec. 1, Clause 7

I sit corrected.

105

"Republicans can't seem to get anything done despite their hold on the House, look in the mirror, kids."

Boehner took the Mary Poppins approach and it seems to have a chance of working:  Shutdown on Obamable and Reid.

You may not have noticed that USD is declining 1% per month and inflation(ignoring housing) is nearing 10,  unemployment(assuming 66% participation) is at 12% and the prospects are ill on all counts.

We are further and further behind the curve.

106 The shutdown will bring clarity. It will reveal who is on what side and who is a coward or fool. If we, the Right, can not withstand the tsunami of crap that will come from a shutdown, then we are worthless. Pull down the curtain and let the sunshine hit the Democrat vampires full in the face.

107 Don't ask me.  I was killed by the Republican budget.  

108 Posted by: gary gulrud at April 07, 2011 10:27 AM (/g2vP)

last night the red eye guy said that it cost him over two hundred bucks a week to fill his and his wife's car.  He wasn't happy, his callers were more unhappy and this appears to be on the uptick.  Notice the price of oil also

109 >>Anyone who thinks it's even possible to negotiate in good faith with Barky or the Dems is an idiot. In case you missed it, Obama got elected by over half the country. Lots and lots of people still support him and the Dems control the Senate. This is how a democracy works. Boehner isn't king and he doesn't just get to announce that Obama is dishonest so he has decided to bypass the other 2/3 of the government and do what he wants. Just because you want something doesn't mean you get it. You can yell and scream all you want but in the end the only way you get anything done in DC when you don't control all branches is through negotiation.

110

115

Yes, I would hold operating the government hostage for defunding O-care.  As long as it took.  The Republicans promised in 2010 to defund O-care.  They didn't say they would only defund O-care if the Dems agreed.

111 Just because you want something doesn't mean you get it. You can yell and scream all you want but in the end the only way you get anything done in DC when you don't control all branches is through negotiation.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 07, 2011 10:30 AM (TMB3S)

You bring up an interesting point, he did control all three branches why didn't he pass a budget last year?  Why don't they even bother to write a budget (the dems) but leave the work to the republicans?  Don't you think that is odd, even just a little bit.

Just like the big law model, the DC model is broken, it needs to be fixed.

112 108 Maybe they need to carry around graphs like Ross Perot and show the difference between 61 Billion and the 1600 Billion defecit. And say 'This is the little bar that Dems are willing to shut down the Government for, hardly EXTREME. Now this other bar, the 1600 Billion of debt we will add this year, THAT is EXTREME!.'

It's been done by individual members of Congress, the leadership conference, and in some ads. Best source for charts is usually Rep. Ryan and his charts have been widely distributed among lawmakers. E.g., saw Rep. Bachmann posted some of the best slides and charts yesterday.

113

"... And that's not just from Democrats and Independents. Faithless Republicans have also abandoned him -- at a slightly greater rate (-11%) than the national average. When you're wondering why Republicans can't seem to get anything done despite their hold on the House, look in the mirror, kids."

 

bullshit,

He promised at least 100 billion in cuts, he offered the Dems 60b, and he will force a settlement at somewhere around 35b out of a 1.6 TRILLION deficit!

Boehner is not a man of his word and that is why his support amoung conservatives is dropping.

 

114 123 115 Yes, I would hold operating the government hostage for defunding O-care.  As long as it took.  The Republicans promised in 2010 to defund O-care.  They didn't say they would only defund O-care if the Dems agreed.

So how do you cut spending and fulfill other promises while shutting-down the govt for 2yrs? A shutdown is good for what it teaches and that it saves money but it also freezes spending.

115 123

115

Yes, I would hold operating the government hostage for defunding O-care.  As long as it took.  The Republicans promised in 2010 to defund O-care.  They didn't say they would only defund O-care if the Dems agreed.

Posted by: Scoob at April 07, 2011 10:30 AM (T7+JL)

Despite the fact that most people regard some of the things GWB did as horrendous, the independents and the republicans who are pissed, against their better judgment, trusted the tea party and were willing to give their guys a shot.  If they fail to deliver the basic premise of their campaigns, thinking no one really cares or is watching, people will stay home.  they may not realize that in the end they are hurting themselves, they will believe they are making a huge point.

116

Here's the Bloomberg headline:

 Boehner Paid as Soldiers Wait If Congress Shuts Down Government

 

Now here's the story:

Elected officials, including House Speaker John Boehner and other members of Congress and President Barack Obama, all would be paid as usual during a shutdown, unless Congress changes the law. Soldiers, law enforcement officers and other government employees whose jobs are deemed essential would continue to work yet wouldnÂ’t get paychecks until the budget standoff is resolved.

 

But the headline, of course, is not Barry but EVIL Boehner is paid as soldiers go without pay. I'm sure that if this happened 5 years ago the headline would be EVIL BUSH CHENEY paid while everyone else DIES!!!!!

117 While I'm hoping Boehner can get as much as he can and I think the 2012 budget is a hill to die on, I'm wondering how some of you think we can achieve our goals when these bills have to be passed by the Senate and signed by the president. McCarthy was stupid enough to assume a Senate majority and presidential triangulation-- and that's on him-- but please tell me how this works in a practical sense. How do you accomplish 100% of your goals every time with this Senate and the Administration? How?

118 >>ou bring up an interesting point, he did control all three branches why didn't he pass a budget last year? Why don't they even bother to write a budget (the dems) but leave the work to the republicans? Don't you think that is odd, even just a little bit. Of course it's odd. They did it specifically because it was election season and they knew it would go badly for them. But there is well over half of this country who doesn't know they didn't pass a budget or don't give a crap. That's reality. There are lots of people on the right side of the aisle who want exactly the same things you want, we are just arguing over tactics.

119 Boehner and the GOP House certainly can't dictate the actions of the Democrat Senate and Ebola, but they can dictate what bills the House will offer and pass, and they can do so without regard to what any Democrat wants. This is what they should do. Hit the Democrats and their allies of all sorts everywhere with a constant barrage of everything the Democrats abhor until the core message sinks in: "Do these things or WAF". The 2010 elections were not about negotiating, they were a last desperate attempt to save the Country.

120 Reid just said the bill is a no-go and both he and Boehner have been "summoned" to the WH-- again.

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127

So how do you cut spending and fulfill other promises while shutting-down the govt for 2yrs? A shutdown is good for what it teaches and that it saves money but it also freezes spending.

Boehner is probably going to settle for $30 - 50 billion in cuts this year in light of a $1,600 billion deficit.  I think that 2012 budget offers around $130 billion in savings.

Only part of the government operates with a shutdown.  The figure thrown around is 80%.  20 percent of $3,600 billion budget is $720 billion.

You would save more with a shutdown and stop most of the implementation of O-care.

 

122 133 While I'm hoping Boehner can get as much as he can and I think the 2012 budget is a hill to die on, I'm wondering how some of you think we can achieve our goals when these bills have to be passed by the Senate and signed by the president. McCarthy was stupid enough to assume a Senate majority and presidential triangulation-- and that's on him-- but please tell me how this works in a practical sense. How do you accomplish 100% of your goals every time with this Senate and the Administration? How?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 07, 2011 10:39 AM (UO6+e)

 

it doesn't matter what the Dems do, all that matters is what the GOP does, it matters that they stand and fight, it matters that they say the truth, it matters that they keep their word and it matters that they don't make "deals".

 

123 "wars" of choice, not war. And Boehner's numbers might look better if crying John had shown a little backbone before this. His wobbling and wailing about the shutdown and his refusal to to stand up sooner has only encouraged Reid and Obama.' Now? We'll see.

124 Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 07, 2011 10:39 AM (UO6+e)

With a lot of people the CR is where they want to see a lot of cutting.  I've heard many people say "if they accept the thirty billion figure then we can expect they will expect even less in the next budget" and it sort of makes sense. 

People have a sense of them procrastinating and trying to wear the American people down.  People aren't saying "wow those republicans are such hard workers"....no what they are saying is "what the hell have these idiots been doing there, at this rate, nothing will get done, the place is a disaster"....this while they have had to give up the new car to replace the ten year old car, give up the vacation, help little johnny and susie pay their student loans cause they can't get a job and add them to their health insurance.  They've done nothing but pay more on their mortgages to cut down the principle, pay down their credit cards, buy only essential essentials and they don't understand how these guys in congress aren't feeling the financial pain that they are feeling enough to "fix it, fix it".

125 breaking:  A magnitude 7.4 quake hit off the Japanese coast with a tsunami alert.

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133

How do you accomplish 100% of your goals every time with this Senate and the Administration? How?

Unfortunately, Boehner is not close to 100%.  More like 33%-- 33 billion/100 billion promised.

 

127 >>The Living Constitution at April 07, 2011 10:42 AM (G/MYk You really are a babbling asshole reduced to throwing insults and thinking you've scored some huge points by using the tired we don't live in a democracy we live in a Constitutional republic crap. You can keep babbling away but until you provide some actual proof of how demanding cuts that everyone know the left will never agree to is a winning strategy I'll just put you in the Ron Paul crank category.

128 I.AM.THE.JUGGERNAUT.

129

136 Boehner and the GOP House certainly can't dictate the actions of the Democrat Senate and Ebola, but they can dictate what bills the House will offer and pass, and they can do so without regard to what any Democrat wants...

He has dictated the bills, and he's passed every damn one. The issue with Bachmann and King's bill was a rule that has been resolved and they're introducing it as a stand-alone instead of a rider.

Don't get me wrong-- I'm incredibly annoyed at Boehner for limiting the Budget Committee on 2012 and once again following the appropriators, but I can't really complain that he, Cantor, and McCarthy have limited legislation. The House has voted on a number of issues multiple times-- including the EPA again today-- and Reid screeches like he did last night. So they've passed H.R. 1 twice, reaffirmed portions of that, and even gone far beyond that, and Reid is more interested in reelecting the evil man who hates him than in doing the right thing.

130 and Reid is more interested in reelecting the evil man who hates him than in doing the right thing.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 07, 2011 10:52 AM (UO6+e)

How are his wife and daughter?  Terrible accident they had there.

131

143 133 Unfortunately, Boehner is not close to 100%.  More like 33%-- 33 billion/100 billion promised.

That's what the Dems keep stating because they want to catch the Rs by stating that there was a deal but it fell-through on abortion language or a similar rider. Otherwise, I'm seeing lots of confusion over this $33B number from inside the conference-- from people who should know-- so it's hard to say at this point what exactly is on the table right now.

132 You can keep babbling away but until you provide some actual proof of how demanding cuts that everyone know the left will never agree to is a winning strategy I'll just put you in the Ron Paul crank category. Posted by: JackStraw at April 07, 2011 10:48 AM (TMB3S) It is a self-cleaning oven Any cuts to which the Left will agree are useless ones. Any cuts to which the will not agree won't pass, but are most useful. Why? 2012 Elections. Show the People right now who is who and Ebola and the Dems get kicked out in 2012. The real cause of this stance by the GOP is their natural cowardice, DC mentality, and doing what they think are the right maneuvers against the Dems.

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He has dictated the bills, and he's passed every damn one. The issue with Bachmann and King's bill was a rule that has been resolved and they're introducing it as a stand-alone instead of a rider.

Prefer the defunding to be included in the CR.  As promised.

134 So what I'm hearing is that, while the American Idol crowd has multiple resources to see what the Rs are doing-- and it takes less than 5min to check-- they'd rather remain ignorant and blame the Rs because they don't understand how this process works. Oh, that's working well. Those spineless wimps Cantor and McCarthy may be showing more balls than Boehner right now but I am so sick of people declaring ignorance in spite of all the resources on the table.

135 151 147 Prefer the defunding to be included in the CR.  As promised.

It's in HR 1, which was essentially passed again last week. They can pass the thing from here until Doomsday and it looks like it doesn't matter. Reid and Obama simply don't give a damn.

136

152

No, we want politicians keeping their promises.

Republicans promised in 2010:

$100 billion in cuts 2011.

Repeal Obamacare.

Failing that, defund Obamacare.

It is quite simple.

 

 

137 138 127 Boehner is probably going to settle for $30 - 50 billion in cuts this year in light of a $1,600 billion deficit.  I think that 2012 budget offers around $130 billion in savings.

Only part of the government operates with a shutdown.  The figure thrown around is 80%.  20 percent of $3,600 billion budget is $720 billion.

You would save more with a shutdown and stop most of the implementation of O-care.

 

If Obama could manage past $1T in cuts in his budget, then the Dems ought to give that in negotiations and Boehner should demand every last penny. That's the minimum and the Dems agreed to that.  

138

154 152 No, we want politicians keeping their promises.

Republicans promised in 2010:

$100 billion in cuts 2011.

Repeal Obamacare.

Failing that, defund Obamacare.

It is quite simple.

 

So how do they get those passed by the Senate and signed by Obama? I have yet to hear a practical plan that shows how to do that. It ought to be done, the American people demanded it be done, but the Dems will not yield. You could light Reid on fire and demand he do and the nit-wit refuses. How do you deal with people like this?

139 Would refuse, sorry

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156

So, how does this change for the 2012 budget?  You claim that all we have to do is wait for 2012.

But the Republicans don't want to fight, i.e. risk a shutdown, in 2011.  So, why is anything going to be different in 2012?

If the leadership keeps lying to us, they will deflate the base, and lose in 2012 because NO ONE WILL BELIEVE IN WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.

They didn't say in 2010 elect us, we won't do anything because we don't control the Senate and the Whitehouse.

They said $100 B in cuts, and repeal, and if necessary, defund O-care.

They should fight for what they promised.  If not, we need new leadership.

141 So how do they get those passed by the Senate and signed by Obama? I have yet to hear a practical plan that shows how to do that. It ought to be done, the American people demanded it be done, but the Dems will not yield. You could light Reid on fire and demand he do and the nit-wit refuses. How do you deal with people like this? Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 07, 2011 11:10 AM (UO6+e) You can't and don't. But you can make them vote "No" again and again and again. And use it against them.

142

Also should have differentiated-- no M&Ms count as the American Idol crowd.

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Hey Miss-

Why do you think Bachmann lead the fundraising for Presidential candidates 1Q 2011?

Was it because she is from Minnesota?  Some think that she's cute?  People like foster parents?

Or maybe she has shown leadership and taken the lead on defunding O-care.

144

So how do they get those passed by the Senate and signed by Obama? I have yet to hear a practical plan that shows how to do that. It ought to be done, the American people demanded it be done, but the Dems will not yield. You could light Reid on fire and demand he do and the nit-wit refuses. How do you deal with people like this?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at April 07, 2011 11:10 AM (UO6+e)

I have no idea but I'd like to give that lighting Reid on fire a try.

145 " When you're wondering why Republicans can't seem to get anything done despite their hold on the House, look in the mirror, kids." Look in the mirror? No. If your new speaker is already showing signs of being neutered by probably intentionally biased spot polling a six months after being elected then THAT is the big problem. It's not the people who elected him.

146

158 156 So, how does this change for the 2012 budget?  You claim that all we have to do is wait for 2012.

But the Republicans don't want to fight, i.e. risk a shutdown, in 2011.  So, why is anything going to be different in 2012? [...]

I'm saying the full 2012 budget wouldn't have a chance of passing until 2013 under the aforementioned conditions. As for the 2012 budget itself, I believe there are some conservative pols who will stake their careers on fighting for it. I watched those truly conservative budgeteers during part of their mark-up yesterday as they pushed-back against the lies put-forward by the Dems and it reinforced the idea that they're wiling to die on this hill. The leadership* may withdraw their tentative support of Budget** once they see the way this might go, but I have no doubt that the aforementioned and their allies are serious about this.

 

_{*Excepting Hensarling}

_{** Despite the fact that they themselves limited the budget due to "the will of the conference", though that's unfortunately how this works.}

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159 You can't and don't.

But you can make them vote "No" again and again and again.

And use it against them.

Well they're doing great on the 1st but [they're] rather underwhelming at reaching the public at large on the 2nd.

148 Guy from Senate, while chastising the tea party on MSNBC while saying "they can't be allowed to win on this" also told us that he knew congress has a 13% approval rating.

Some folks are just plain stupid.

149 161 160 I agree with that, though I do think she needs to be more careful about explaining exactly how the CR works. But I will not deny that Bachmann has the courage of her convictions and that she fights for the same once stated.

150 Talked to my kids last night about contingency plans and also getting at least their squads together to come up with a contingency plan -- needless to say, they are not happy (even less so, because their deployments have been changed around at the last minute).  They realize the party that's doing this to them -- of course they'd really like to get paid, but they and their pals are starting to get the mindset of "go ahead, make our day".  If it comes to a shutdown, it comes to a shutdown -- but heaven help the Dems or their civvie supporters (especially in light of what will be paid for rather than the military, and most especially in light of the fuckwit sending them here and there on wild goose chase missions with a crappy ROE).

151 166 Guy from Senate, while chastising the tea party on MSNBC while saying "they can't be allowed to win on this" also told us that he knew congress has a 13% approval rating.

Some folks are just plain stupid.

He likely doesn't care and knows the MFM is already in full-spin mode covering for them and fighting Ryan's budget tooth-and-claw.

152 Oh dear Heaven Boehner, Cantor and McCarthy are making you sound like a liberal. _{*head desk*}

153

My first Battery Commander was fond of saying something like:

"The only thing that this man's Army owes you is chow and a paycheck. If the day ever comes that we don't feed you or pay you, then you can all just walk away and I won't do squat to stop you. Until then, I own your asses." 

I wonder what he's up to these days.

154 Huh? You mean the Speaker of the House can't just do whatever the fuck he wants? There's a SENATE? When did you plan on telling me this?! Can't Boehner just say "Obama's a lying Indonesian LOLZ" and deem any law he wants to be passed?

155

Update: Obama just issued a veto threat to HR 1363. Unless Boehner caves-- which is a big if-- the shutdown is on.

Cantor and Hoyer also just had a dust-up with loud reactions from members. Hoyer also just slammed the Tea Party and Cantor made a pretty good response. Rowdy House this morning.

156 I guess I'd be behind a shutdown if I had a little more assurance than "Oh, it's not 1995" that it would work in our favor. What concrete reasons do you have for thinking this won't bite us in the ass again? Are the American people - the ones who can't figure out SS is a ponzi scheme, who think cutting foreign aid will balance the budget - going to understand when all their goodies stop flowing that it's all for the cause?

157 Boehener needs to stop the crying and fight the left like they fight him.

158

I guess I'd be behind a shutdown if I had a little more assurance than "Oh, it's not 1995" that it would work in our favor.

 

That's what my neighbors have been coming to me with this week -- these are not well off folks, but they do understand that the system is broken and needs to be fixed.  They also understand that Washington seems to have no intentions of fixing anything and are acting like spoiled children.  They're worried about a depression...and they're really worried about "what happens if we can't get this government to follow the rules; what has to happen next?".  They're also worried about terrorist attacks, but that kinda goes hand in hand with Washington being unserious about fixing anything and/or doing what they're supposed to do. 

My neighbors may not be the most well to do, influential, or educated people in the world -- but they've been sniffing the wind lately, and the clouds smell like approaching DOOM.  They're just looking for reassurance and/or some suggestions on how to weather it.

159 Well, it's nice to see the temper tantrum start so early in the day.

Is the morning always like this? I usually get up later than Barry.

160

7 How about cutting Obama's salary from the budget?  I don't imagine it's used to pay the White House utilities or for the kitchen supplies there.

Le sigh. More "constitutional conservatives" ignorant of the Constitution?

Never heard of the Salary Clause, huh Darth?

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at April 07, 2011 08:01 AM (XVaFd)

Oh sure, who hasn't? (whistles innocently). 

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