1 Any plan that does not result in the coronation of King Putt will be doomed to failure.

Doooooooooooom.

2 Anyone who still harbors any shred of a doubt as to how peevish, unprepared, and ideological this President was/is/will be, throw your argument out there and let me burn it to little cinders for you.

3 Hey, 52%ers....

nah....too violent.

4

Re-posting from a couple of days ago:

1. The Entitlement Bubble: The Bust Is Going to Be a Nightmare

 http://tinyurl.com/2urfqga

2. Historically, each dollar in new taxes had led to more than a dollar in new spending:

http://tinyurl.com/24ej6oo

Promises of future cuts, and promises that new taxes will go towards deficit reduction, are worthless.

5 but to Obama, that's the only thing he cares about, so it seems a nonstarter there.

The one thing it has going for it is it makes O defend his asinine and transparently self-serving insistence on avoiding another round of this before the election.  As with all things, repetition will make the lesson stick with the electorate.

6 Ace, are you live-blogging the Blowhard tonight?

7 Is the debt ceiling being raised by a trillion dollars over ten years? If it isn't, I'm trying to figure out why the importance +1 trillion versus -1 trillion is an order of magnitude.

8 apparently, elections don't matter......

9 Brett 'The Lunatic' Baier just reported that their sources say Obama tonight intends to shoot down both the Boehner plan and the Reid plan, and that he will then personally shoot the grey poupon mustard spokesman in the head.

10 11, your friend is 100% right.

11 I keep remembering Bush 41 being denied TV time because they said it was political and not Presidential newsworthy stuff.
How long till Obama manages to “jump the shark” with these speeches/press conferences ?

12 Relax. 2012 is coming. 

13 My plan involves beatings and lubricant. Also hookers.

14 WTF

15 Doing things on my own is very tempting.

Suck it, wingnutz.

16 This looks like a good Republican strategy for locking in a bunch of Democrat Party spending. Why are Republicans so interested in giving Barack Obama a bunch of money to hand to his side? I thought Republicans wanted to cut government. This plan LOCKS IN $1.5 trillion a year in Obama spending that mostly benefits only Democrats and guarantees DEMOCRAT government jobs. Who exactly is Boehner representing? Because none of the plans he puts forth accomplish the task of REIGNING IN DEMOCRAT SPENDING. We need to make sure the debt ceiling ISN"T RAISED, and instead, is LOWERED by using the tax dollars coming to PAY OFF our debt. Anything less than that is a sell-out.

17

Funny how the only plan that would be acceptable to both parties is the one that doesn't change our debt situation at all.

No, I'm sorry, it's not funny.  It's queer.

18 Veridian Dynamics still has the best response to Obama's request for air time.

19 I'm exhausted from all these speeches.  Wait till I'm at Martha's Vineyard.  You wingnutz will be green with envy.

20 My friends did something to me and now it really hurts to go to the bathroom. But they all agreed they should do it to me, so I really can't argue.

21
Republicans won't budge if it raises taxes.

Dems won't budge if it cuts entitlements.

It's a stalemate.

22

 I thought Republicans wanted to cut government.

Well, there's your mistake.

23 rip the fucking bandage off......cut entitlements now and cut our taxes.....

24 @26

lol

25 What is this 1.2 trillion dollar number?? 10 years? How did the current level of spending become so sacred that we can't even turn it back to a few years ago? How can anyone on the GOP side accept this. If we are going to play the 10 year game, then make it a nice big fucking number like $10 trillion over ten, or better $10 tril over 5 years. Whoop defucking doodle, 120 billion cut from what a $3trillion budget

26 Tonight's Presidential Speech brought to you by the good people at Kool, Xanax, Harvard's New EZ Bake Constitutional Law Center, and by a generous grant from the Lamont Q. "G-Smoov Str8 UP" Cocaine Foundation.

27 Why do Tami, 80sBaby and Chuck Z! need freeing?

28 Mark Levin has a guest on who is saying that this is a "government shutdown" situation and not a "default" situation.

29 There are no tax hikes -- the Republicans' must-have.

Uh, Bizarro World indeed.

30 So all in all, a fucking waste of time that does nothing.  OK then, sounds like we have something that could pass.

31

we'd all be better off with no deal... the reality hammer is coming, it will not be ignored.

crash it now, and let's get started rebuilding, instead of this slow motion train wreck spread out over years that the Ruling Class is steering us towards.

32 _{Mark Levin has a guest on who is saying that this is a "government shutdown" situation and not a "default" situation.}

By all means, keep us posted on every word they say on every talk radio show this entire evening.

33 33 Why do Tami, 80sBaby and Chuck Z! need freeing?

They were accidentally banned.

34 I will gladly pay you Tax Cuts Tuesday, for a spending increase today...

35 Sounds like ace is complaining that Boehner's plan isn't EXXXTREME enough. Nah, that can't be it.

36

All I want tonight is for Barry to announce that he's going to hold his breath until a deal is reached.

37 Noooooooooooooo!

38

There are no cuts to entitlements -- which is the Congressional Democrats' absolute-must.

There are no tax hikes -- the Republicans' must-have.

But then, it also doesn't do very much to reduce the deficit, either.

That's exactly why it will pass.  It's DC's perennial pastime: kicking the can. 

And here I thought the Republicans were going to actually do something with their new-found power over teh public debate. 

It's just like in 2002.  They assume power only so that they can squander it on padding their own beds.

39 42

All I want tonight is for Barry to announce that he's going to hold his breath until a deal is reached.

And then hold it.  For real.

40 "$ 1.2 T in cuts... but over ten years," And even this is bullshit. You can't cut spending 'over 10 years" because NOTHING this Congress does ties the hands of future Congresses'. All of these plans do nothign except LOCK IN spending that ONLY BENEFITS Democrats and if Republicans vote for this we should run them out of office on a fucking rail. We need a law requiring the treasury to PAY DOWN the national debt by 10% a year, instead of using it for any other purpose, first. That's all we need. Simple law. That should be the deal we are offering with our fallback position being doing nothing and letting the chips fall where they may. Obama spending ONLY BENEFITS Democrats.

41 Let Obama win.  Let him own it. 

42 The markets aren't responding cause they know that no matter what the debt will be serviced.  so this professor guys just said the treasury has to decide where to make the cuts.  Oh Levin said this was Professor McConnel.  The professor said they can furlough federal employees.  He also said that when he was in the raegan administration they did stuff like this keeping in mind that they wanted to have as little impact on the American people as possible.  So they can service the debt by furloughing as many federal employees as necessary.

43 False choice pool for "Obama Speaks in Platitudes for the 853rd Time in Prime Time":

"Some say that we must choose between killing every retiree in the country with a machete or selling Virginia, the Dakotas, and most of Yellowstone to China--I reject this false choice."

44 A better strategy is to bump the debt limit $300 billion at a time with minor cuts.  Toss in some oil and coal deregulation while they're at it.

By spoon-feeding the debt limit increase it causes financial havoc within the federal bureaucracy.  You will get cuts this year simply because the federal behemoth cannot adjust to constantly changing conditions.  The doors stay open, but the trough stays closed.

45

All I want tonight is for Barry to announce that he's going to hold his breath until a deal is reached.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at July 25, 2011 06:45 PM

So you want him to turn blue. You're a racist.

46

Does anyone else think that if Boener had not rolled over on the continuing resolution ($100 billion to $62 billion to $30 something billion to $350 million actual) and f*cked us, that we would be in a much stronger position now.

This is why I give no money to the national Rebulican Party.

47 47 Let Obama win.  Let him own it.


Thanks cherry, I promise to only raise your taxes through the roof.

48 51

All I want tonight is for Barry to announce that he's going to hold his breath until a deal is reached.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at July 25, 2011 06:45 PM

So you want him to turn blue. You're a racist.

Posted by: arhooley at July 25, 2011 06:47 PM (ECaeu)

Huh?

49 So let me get this straight.
It doesn't cut enough to even scratch the paint on our debt crisis (BAD)
It doesn't increase revenues/taxes (Good)
It makes the dems go a-begging next year at election time. (Good)

Might as well pass a 1T increase and dare Obama to veto it. Because this is just a transparent trick to do just that.

Either way S&P is going to kick us in the nuts. Or at least they should if they have any sanity and care a whit about their customers.

50 Basically this is a debt hike with nothing but another worthless commission.

We would be giving up the only bargaining chip we have. Piss on this plan.

51 Republicans won't budge if it raises taxes.

Dems won't budge if it cuts entitlements.

It's a stalemate.

Posted by: arhooley at July 25, 2011 06:41 PM (ECaeu)

 

So please please let it remain that way until 2013.

52 There are no cuts to entitlements -- which is the Congressional Democrats' absolute-must.

Do they just not get that SS and Medi-whatever is killing us?  Then they add on Obamacare on top of it all.  Are they just nuts?  Do they just not care?

You know, FIA.  Better to just prepare for the crash that is coming.  We've got a few more years to limp along.  That ought to be enough time to get ready.

53 Thanks cherry, I promise to only raise your taxes through the roof.

I don't mind paying some tax to get rid of Obama in a few months.

54 Veridian Dynamics is my new favorite company

55 We've got a few more years to limp along.

I'll take wishful thinking and you sound like a member of Congress for $14 trillion, Alex.

56 mike I don't think so.  I think the markets have already factored this in.  I'm not sure that the republicans shouldn't pull their proposal right off the table, now, before the speech saying that they have reconsidered and they'd like to hear the president's plan and harry and nancy's plan and then just shut up.  As long as there is a republican plan out there to kick around there is a chance for another obamacare.

57

For one thing, it makes Obama come back and beg for the rest of his debt limit. I don't mind that part at all, but to Obama, that's the only thing he cares about, so it seems a nonstarter there.

Ace, I believe you have confused our President for someone with testicles.  He will sign what's put in front of him... now, or later, when it's become obvious to all that he himself is the only person to blame for a government shutdown.

58 At this point I say take CCB to the limit midnight august 2 or whatever the faux deadline is. We can say "hey the republican house passed a debt ceiling increase, and the democrats refused to even vote on it!" This is trending in a way that makes me think we will just get a debt ceiling increase with token cuts (none real) and the debt will probably skate by into 2013 which is what Obama wants. If the House remains solidly strong against the 2013 extension then fine, but our guys are not known to be profiles in courage.

59 If the Democrats would allow us to cut spending the debt ceiling increase might be able to last past 2012

60 $ 1.2 T in cuts... but over ten years, and via caps, which I'm always thinking will be ignored.

I'm sure that $1,2T over ten years also includes the $1T in military savings they are counting from ending all the current wars. Spending which isn't being carried on the budget anyway so it really isn't a cut in the published deficit.

So in effect we get $200B in pinky swear cuts over 10 years. Totally worthless and not only that, but it shows a real disdain for the Republican base.

61 Re: Boehner et al: Where is the fear? The perfectly reasonable fear that the same crew of voters that blistered politician's asses in town halls, filled the National Mall, and undid the Democrat majority in the House are going to be back even stronger and more forehead-vein-bulgingly-enraged 15 months from now? You are casually exposing yourself to the world as at least 50% of the problem, dummies. You are kicking us in the teeth.

62 52 Does anyone else think that if Boener had not rolled over on the continuing resolution ($100 billion to $62 billion to $30 something billion to $350 million actual) and f*cked us, that we would be in a much stronger position now. This is why I give no money to the national Rebulican Party. Posted by: Dogbert at July 25, 2011 06:47 PM (p0TnY) ------------------------------------------------------------- Nope, I think that we would be in exactly the same situation that we are in now. Either the House will send something out that pisses us off or the government shuts down because the Senate or the Pres won't sign anything else. And it will be 24/7 how horrible the GOP is. Many on here think that the Republicans can survive this. See Minnesota. But anyway, all that did was kick the can down the road a few months, but no it really didn't change anything.

63 At the risk of being "curious-lite", I'll relay an anecdote about one of my NYC liberal friends.  Friend calls me up to ask me my opinion on the debt ceiling... and then fesses up that he's in agreement with the "far right wing" of the Republican party (his words, obviously not mine), that the debt ceiling shouldn't be raised at all, that we have to start running government like a business.  

This guy is so liberal he has subscriptions to Mother Jones and Adbusters. 

If he can get it, why the hell can't anyone else?  What are we doing wrong?

64 Veridian Dynamics is my new favorite company

It's possible that I may worship Veronica Palmer. 

65 If he vetoes a bill that raised the debt ceiling, no matter what else is in it, and we default he will go down in history as the worst President ever. The media will not be able to save him.

66 I have 8 testicles
- Octopus

67 1. $ 1 T in new debt limit ceiiing.

2. $ 1.2 T in cuts... but over ten years, and via caps, which I'm always thinking will be ignored.

This sucks. This completely sucks. Why is it always "let us continue to be irresponsible now and then we promise we'll clean up our act later on, honest we will."?

68

No, I'm sorry, it's not funny.  It's queer.

Bigot!

69 And, on top of it all, in the end with no cuts and agreement for another $1T in spending which will have to be financed through QE3 and 4 because nobody is loaning us money now, hello Wiemar Republic and total collapse.

70 71 At the risk of being "curious-lite", I'll relay an anecdote about one of my NYC liberal friends.  Friend calls me up to ask me my opinion on the debt ceiling... and then fesses up that he's in agreement with the "far right wing" of the Republican party (his words, obviously not mine), that the debt ceiling shouldn't be raised at all, that we have to start running government like a business.  

This guy is so liberal he has subscriptions to Mother Jones and Adbusters. 

If he can get it, why the hell can't anyone else?  What are we doing wrong?

Please have your friend call my s-i-l and her husband in NYC.  They're as far-left as you can get without living in Cuba (and I honestly believe she wants us to be Cuba).

71

The US could default, but only if the Indonesian decides to force it somehow (by getting all incoming cash spent on other things before debt service - which is something he would do).

Posted by: progressoverpeace at July 25, 2011 06:51 PM (G/MYk)

After hearing Professor McConnell on Levin I realize there is no way we are going to default, it's not going to happen.  Instead we are going to have furloughs of government employees to service the debt and this is what Bo is trying to avoid, a shutdown in government services.  This Professor McConnell, and levin rattled off his impressive credential is saying and I think he's right.  The republicans are allowing themselves to be played by being drawn into a default discussion when it's not a question of default and the markets and a lot of Americans have already figured this out.  It's a government shutdown question.

72 In the end... there's a penis

73 Do they just not get that SS and Medi-whatever is killing us?  Then they add on Obamacare on top of it all.  Are they just nuts?  Do they just not care?

Posted by: rockhead at July 25, 2011 06:49 PM (ZMHGo)

Let me ask you something in all seriousness: if things came to such a pass that the choice was between letting someone else's grandmother starve or forcing your own children to starve, which would you choose?

Because without entitlement reforms, the people who will get killed aren't the taxpayers, who will not put up with their children being starved to death, but rather the entitlement recipients who will just be shucks out of luck when the money runs out.

One can only hope that the entitlement recipients wake up to this reality and start agitating for a secure future of at least something rather than an abrupt fall into the abyss of nothing.

74 The markets aren't responding cause they know that no matter what the debt will be serviced. 

First I don't give a F* about the markets.....yet.
What I care about is bond yield. If we get downgrading, expected yield will accordingly rise requiring even more debt to cover costs and service existing debt. That is the beginning of a death spiral; like drinking off hangovers it ends 6 feet under with a liver not fit to donate to a dog food factory.

75

It was our understanding that if we didn't spend money, we wouldn;t get elected.

76  The Federal Government is a big, shiny sports car with a beautiful nymphomaniac whore in the passenger seat and a briefcase full of million dollar bills in the trunk.

 The Republican politicians want to drive it as hard and fast as the Democrats do.

 They may claim that they want to walk up to it and slash the tires or downgrade the engine to a straight 6 or maybe only take it out on Sundays to church.
But really, most are just dying to get in there and see what they can do with it.

Let's hope all the sanity hasn't been worn off our Reps up there since last November. Hopefully they are getting our calls and letters and emails enough to get the message.

77 In the end... there's a penis

Well, the penis mighter than the sword.

78 In the end... there's a penis

Posted by: cherry ð at July 25, 2011 06:56 PM (OhYCU)

Sounds like someone needs to roll over.  I'm just not sure who.

79 So, who's watching the Petulant One tonight?

80 wouldn't that be sixteen?

81
sonofabitch -- did you guys hear about this?

The special election for NV-2 is Sept 13. The Democrats (behind NV's Democrat Sec of State) sued to have an open election with no primary. They hoped it would result in 15 GOP candidates against 1 Democrat candidate, which would easily hand the Democrat the victory.

But NV's Supreme Court upheld the lower court's ruling and sided with the Republicans.

(this is old, isn't it? I just read about it)

82

Earlier in the summer I took a finance for non-finance majors type class.  When the topic of entitlements came up, I flatly stated that SS and medicare will not be around for those under 40. 

People shifted nervously in their seats for a few seconds, and someone said, "No, they'll tweak it.  It'll be there."  A few people murmured their assent.  The tension went out of the room, and we continued.

One of the reasons people do not get it because it's unthinkable for a large number of them.

83

I hope the petulant ass does tell everyone tonight that he doesn't back any of the plans, and he won't sign anything that has to be reconsidered before Nov. '12.   If people are paying attention (and that's the point of his BS speech tonight), they will see it for what it is.   The bastard doesn't give a fuck about the country.   All he cares about is his reelection campaign.   He hasn't come up with one thing on his own, and eveything that's been put forward he has shit on.  

Jeebus, I couldn't hate the asswipe more.

84 First I don't give a F* about the markets.....yet.
What I care about is bond yield.

Yeah, maybe you want to rethink that one. The market sets the yield, not the ratings agencies.

85 Truman, how do you stay sane in that environment?

86 What I care about is bond yield. If we get downgrading, expected yield will accordingly rise requiring even more debt to cover costs and service existing debt.

Translation:  You want to kill my grandmother.

87 One of the reasons people do not get it because it's unthinkable for a large number of them.


Squishy middle finance....
Head
Sand
Some assembly required.

88 I have 8 testicles
- Octopus

Posted by: cherry ð at July 25, 2011 06:54 PM (OhYCU)

Dovetailing with your other comment, the octopus uses one of his arms as a penis.  Talk about your wild handy j's!

89
More old/new news: Mike Ross D-AR is retiring at the end of his term.

90 12 congress critters, 12 imams?

Coinky-dink?

91 Posted by: MikeTheMoose at July 25, 2011 06:56 PM (0q2P7)

Not necessarily, geez you sound like bill gross.

If the government continues to service the debt, even in the face of a partial government shutdown, then where is the problem.  Sure if you are short the market you aren't happy or if you've announced you got out of all US bonds you really aren't happy but they are going to have to remember that a lot of little people money is in the market and in the bond market in particular.  So they will service the debt, and a lot of government employees may have an unexpected vacation.

92 If he can get it, why the hell can't anyone else?  What are we doing wrong?

Posted by: La Mauvaise New Yorkaise at July 25, 2011 06:53 PM (8uZ8A)

Believing the lying ass media when they spout the lying ass polls.   I believe the vast majority of the country feels like you and your friend, but the asshole media will spin it any way the pos in the WH wants them to.

93 A CNN babe just talked about "the length of the increase"

hehe

94 12 congress critters, 12 imams?

Coinky-dink?

So who's the 13th?

95 and here we go.........

96

Serious question:

When the fuck did the "temporary stimulus" become a permanent fixture?

Our spending didn't really balloon until then ($400 Bil under Bush), and now it has remained at that level.  Shouldn't it, oh, have gone the fuck back down in it was "temporary"?

97 Boehner's plan should be to let Preznit Shicklegruber mouth off tonight, (like last Friday hopefully), and then come out and say "my plan keeps us solvent while your plan is to have none, and blame, divide and conquer like a third world dictator".

But of course he won't, even if more and more people are ready to hear the truth.  

98 again

99 I reject the notion that I have ever been dove-tailing.  That's nasty.

100 When the fuck did the "temporary stimulus" become a permanent fixture?

Right after Captain Genius, Bringer of Peace, Calmer of Seas, Picker of Brackets, Nailer of Michelle signed it.

101 Translation:  You want to kill my grandmother.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 25, 2011 06:59 PM (7utQ2)

That's a lie!  We want to give your grandmother an all-expenses paid cruise of the Bering Sea, comfortably situated on an ice floe with all the blubber she can chew.

Whatever the sea decides to do with her after she sets sail is not our doing.

102

87So, who's watching the Petulant One tonight?

I'll have him on in the background while I play poker. I loathe the man but I think this entire situation is driving him crazy. And if the debt ceiling isn't raised, we won't default, he won't be able to stop entitlements and he'll have to make one of his first decisions ever in deciding what part of bloated government gets macheted. That would be priceless. Especially in month 8.

103 So, does this include the extended warranty and undercoating, or should we bring another check to cover that too?

104 Translation:  You want to kill my grandmother.

I like to think of it as "Going Home"
One last chance to meaningfully contribute.

Remember recycling is GREEN and
Everything has to be on the table.

105 80 In the end... there's a penis.

Well, penises do emit a lot of chaos at times. 

Therefore in the end, there's chaos (i.e in the end, there will be only chaos).

106 Levin was smart to bring Professor MccConnel on, you need to change the discussion if you are a Republican on the hill, you need to say "default is out of the question, but, to meet our obligations, sadly a government partial shutdown has to be on the table, that's just reality people, after all, you do want the elderly to get their social security and you do want the welfare people to get their welfare and you do want medicare and medicade to function and you want our military to be paid so federal employees will make the ultimate sacrifice and take unpaid vacations, and thank you federal employees for your service."

107 Girgling Gergen is fear mongering that we will default.

108  I reject the notion that I have ever been dove-tailing.  That's nasty.

Posted by: cherry ð at July 25, 2011 07:02 PM (OhYCU)

In the end, there is dove-tail.  And we all know what's in the dove-tail.

109 _{If the government continues to service the debt, even in the face of a partial government shutdown, then where is the problem.  Sure if you are short the market you aren't happy or if you've announced you got out of all US bonds you really aren't happy but they are going to have to remember that a lot of little people money is in the market and in the bond market in particular.  So they will service the debt, and a lot of government employees may have an unexpected vacation.}

Sense, muthafucka, can you make it?

110

I'm kind of in agreement with the Kraut because Rush has said the same thing.  All of this about the deficit ceiling is just theater.  It's all happened before and both sides are willing participants. 

The real subject should (am I using the right word, Ace?) be spending and taxes.  Spending is what Moody's  is worried about and taxes are what we're worried about.  Raising either one or both is suicide.  Unfortunataly we have a president who loves putting his finger on the trigger of the shotgun in America's mouth.  One of these days he may just pull it.

111
Yeah, maybe you want to rethink that one. The market sets the yield, not the ratings agencies.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at July 25, 2011 06:59 PM (+lsX1)

But the markets are now just played by big players, who bet against the market itself.... it has very little to do with how well the rest of the economy is doing UNLESS people are pulling money out of their 401s and such because of job loss... most of which has already happened IMO.

It used to be that people looked at the real world news, and based market decisions on that... now its more 'guessing' which way the market 'herd' will run on that particular day.... not on a long term investment strategy.

112 So, Boehner sucks. He either can't negotiate or he's in love with the Obama era level of spending too.

113
David Wu is in some deep shit. It's starting to heat up.

114 Move over chaos
- the penis

115 >>What I care about is bond yield. If we get downgrading, expected yield will accordingly rise requiring even more debt to cover costs and service existing debt. That is the beginning of a death spiral; like drinking off hangovers it ends 6 feet under with a liver not fit to donate to a dog food factory. I agree with what you said but I have to ask, do you have the slightest doubt we are going to get a downgrade? If you were sitting at S&P or Moody's and you have already told the world that there is a 50-50 shot the US is going to get a downgrade, not because of the debt ceiling but because of the unserious way the federal gov't is dealing with it's out of control debt, wouldn't you give us a downgrade? We are getting awfully close to a nuclear winter. Or summer. I think the race is on to see who has the most credibility to rebuild us not prevent the crisis.

116 Americans are idiots for voting for these idiots.

117

There are no cuts to entitlements -- which is the Congressional Democrats' absolute-must.

There are no tax hikes -- the Republicans' must-have.

Am I reading this backwards?

118  In the end... there's a penis.

Well, penises do emit a lot of chaos at times. 

Therefore in the end, there's chaos (i.e in the end, there will be only chaos).

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 25, 2011 07:04 PM (c0A3e)

Speaking of penis-ends....

119
I want to bad touch them.

120 Please un-ban Tami, 80sBaby and Chuck Z.

Am I forgetting anyone?

121

Am I reading this backwards?

Posted by: BuckIV at July 25, 2011 07:06 PM (AtjNL)

Excuse me, Stewardess.  I speak Ace.

He means that the absence in each case is what that side demands: the Dems demand an absence of entitlement reforms and the Repubs demand an absence of tax hikes.

122 Would a candidate get laughed off the national scene for running on this:

1. Abolish the IRS
2. Enact a national sales tax or flat rate
3. Abolish Dep't of Ed, Trans, HHS, etc
4. Capital gains tax abolished
5. BBA

I could elected by running on number one alone...maybe.

123 brb, I'm dying my hair gray

124

I'm thinking that the JEF will take credit for the NFL going back to work. For the children. Or defensive linemen. Whatever.

 

 

125 A CNN babe just talked about "the length of the increase"

hehe

Posted by: cherry ð at July 25, 2011 07:01 PM (OhYCU)

That's what Smilin' Bob said!!!

126 I'm so glad I have 7,223,145, friends from all walks of life an knowledgeable of all things so I can talk about them while never mentioning what I myself do, and talk radio to do all my thinking for me.

127 David Wu is in some deep shit. It's starting to heat up.

Posted by: soothsayer at July 25, 2011 07:05 PM (5DGZr)

Who fills a hot tub with shit?  I mean, honestly!

128 One of the reasons people do not get it because it's unthinkable for a large number of them.

They've been conditioned to think so by the politicians. Going all the way back to Reagan (that I can remember) whenever there was talk of SS being in trouble a tweak was voted through, all the politicians claimed victory and people were told everything was now OK. Pavlov's dogs figure it'll happen again.

129 what's his name is gonna speak AGAIN tonight, it's raining so the Yankee game is delayed, I got a ton of bills in the mail today, and my wife cooked tonight. What else can go wrong?

130 if I am reading all of this correctly, we are basically doing nothing by doing something so that we can continue talking about this for the next 12 months?

131 Who fills a hot tub with shit?  I mean, honestly!

Pelosi and Wu starring in: Two Dems, one tub.

132 1. Abolish the IRS
2. Enact a national sales tax or flat rate
3. Abolish Dep't of Ed, Trans, HHS, etc
4. Capital gains tax abolished
5. BBA

I could elected by running on number one alone...maybe.

Posted by: GW McLintock at July 25, 2011 07:09 PM (YxIYE)

 

You'd do very well until Katie Couric asked you what Col. Qadaffy was thinking at that moment.

133 is levin on commercial right now?

134 what's his name is gonna speak AGAIN tonight, it's raining so the Yankee game is delayed, I got a ton of bills in the mail today, and my wife cooked tonight. What else can go wrong?

Posted by: nevergiveup at July 25, 2011 07:13 PM (7wmOW)

You could actuallly EAT your wife's cooking.

135 The special committee could, in theory, consider revenues in its proposal, but a GOP aide notes: “We appoint members to the committee and we’re not appointing any Republicans who will vote for tax hikes.”





"The aide then demurely lowered his eyes and gave a soft and secret smile...."

136 what Col. Qadaffy was thinking at that moment. Posted by: Soona at July 25, 2011 07:14 PM (Bbn7l) Shit ya know I almost forgot all about him

137 Posted by: Soona at July 25, 2011 07:14 PM (Bbn7l)

wouldn't you be ron paul?

138 But then, it also doesn't do very much to reduce the deficit, either.

It is probably the best we can hope for with the present makeup of congress, though.

139 _{if I am reading all of this correctly, we are basically doing nothing by doing something so that we can continue talking about this for the next 12 months?}

But it all looks so friendly and happy for the cameras.

140 141 I just got my friend and I'm afraid of tamons because they might get stuk. What should I do?

Meow!!!!   MMMMEEEEOOOOWWWW!!!!

141 yeah, I guess Boehner was right to be scared into only accepting $120 bln of annual cuts. He only has the biggest poll leading support for a republican position that I can remember. I am shocked he held out for more than $10bln a year.

142

Any bets on how late Ozero will be late tonight?  I think at least 15 minutes.  Beginning to think he does this on purpose so the MSM anchors have time to prep the battlefield for him with the masses.

Glad Boehner follows him, and I hope he calls out O's dishonesty during negotiations, his self-centered motives for insisting on a long term deal, and his lack of willingness to truly deal with the country's economic problems.  Hope he slips something in about O's visit to La Raza today too.  I *wish* he could spell out the tactic of engineering a crisis only to captialize on it, even if he didn't directly implicate O in it this time.  Tonight is a great opportunity to educate the public.  Not that anyone really tunes in for Oloser any more.

143 O/T  Has anyone mentioned crazy-assed Cynthia McKinney being in Iran and trash-talking the US?

What the hell ever happened to being charged with treason?  What does a person have to do to be considered treasonous? 

144 _{What the hell ever happened to being charged with treason?  What does a person have to do to be considered treasonous?}

Throw a grenade at US troops. Maybe.

145 A panel of 12? - can we please be included in the Voir dire?

146
there's nood post above

147 thanks sooth.....i was hoping for a c f thread......

148 If the government continues to service the debt, even in the face of a partial government shutdown, then where is the problem?

Our creditors aren't going to take "present" as an answer indefinitely. Actually, they know we can't function long without a new budget that actually get's costs in hand. So I expect them to give us no more than one week of grace post partial shutdown before they downgrade.

149 How in the world are we ever going to turn things around with Republicans like these? I mean, dayum.

150 151

Any bets on how late Ozero will be late tonight? I think at least 15 minutes. Beginning to think he does this on purpose so the MSM anchors have time to prep the battlefield for him with the masses.

Posted by: Mayday at July 25, 2011 07:19 PM (TRgli)

I'd go 10 minutes late.  Though I won't know since I refuse to watch the idiot.

151 The unbannings have been sent to pixy...

152 yeah, I guess Boehner was right to be scared into only accepting $120 bln of annual cuts. He only has the biggest poll leading support for a republican position that I can remember.

I am shocked he held out for more than $10bln a year.

Posted by: joeindc44 at July 25, 2011 07:19 PM (QxSug)

 

Perhaps Boehner, as I know I am, knows that there's a group of repubs in the House that probably won't vote for this.  Maybe this is just a show to project that he can be more flexible than Dick O and the dems.  I don't think any one of the plans has a chance to be passed in the House.  I'm comforted by that thought.

153 ah, he's being clever. How's that working out for ya. This whole take a bad stance to show how bad the other guy's stance thing is dispiriting to the base.

154 74 I have 8 testicles
- Octopus

pfffft

155

Any bets on how late Ozero will be late tonight?  I think at least 15 minutes.  Beginning to think he does this on purpose so the MSM anchors have time to prep the battlefield for him with the masses.

Posted by: Mayday at July 25, 2011 07:19 PM (TRgli)

The press should start packing up their cameras and notepads at 10 minutes after the scheduled start time.  Do that a few times and he'll learn some punctuality.

156 "White House: Obama to say in televised speech tonight that failure to compromise and raise debt ceiling would do 'incalculable damage'"via twitter breaking news

157 boehner has no choice but to change the conversation and talk about government furloughs and shutdowns.  

the American people are starting to really pay attention.

158

Agree about the whole caps thing. It will never stick. Remember pay-go? Yea, me neither.

159 So we replace the spending cap we're hitting now (the debt limit) with a spending cap that won't be hit until sometime in the future, and in return for this we get nothing at all. It's clean debt limit increase with extra procedural bullshit.

160 "White House: Obama to say in televised speech tonight that failure to compromise and raise debt ceiling would do 'incalculable damage'"via twitter breaking news to my brave union friends and federal workers.

Posted by: curious the confused at July 25, 2011 07:41 PM (k1rwm)

161

This, along with the whole budget resolution a few months back, will set the stage for all of next year. If we yet again fail to actually go to the brink, then why the hell would the Dems EVER do anything serious about spending? If we aren't actually willing to furlough the effin govt. then the dems can sit back and continue to never cut spending, or at the very least, cut it in no meaningful way. Why would they give in when they know we eventually will?

162 I have a crazy idea... could we maybe stop repeating the stimulus spending every year, since it isn't having any positive effects on our economy commensurate with the crushing debt burden it's creating?

163 What the hell ever happened to being charged with treason?  What does a person have to do to be considered treasonous? 
Posted by: Jane D'oh says Free Tami, 80sBaby and Chuck Z! at July 25, 2011 07:19 PM

I've been asking the same question about Osama Obama since, oh, about 20 January, 2009....

By the way: after we rid ourselves of the Traitor-in-Chief and his fellow travelers, there are about 535 members of Congress who need to be broomed out of D.C., too. Starting with Reid, Pelosi, Frank, Kerry, Boehner and McConnell.

164 I heard this guy talk on dah Radeeo for 5 minutes and now I think his idea is the greatest thing evar!

165 Fraud, waste and abuse and Unicorn shit...

166 Just as long as they set Coburn on fire and feed him to Wu's pigs.

167 Has anyone mentioned crazy-assed Cynthia McKinney being in Iran and trash-talking the US?

While I wouldn't put any depth of stupidity, treason, or insanity past this woman, the only word we have that she did any such thing is the state-controlled Iranian press, so you gotta take it with a pretty large block of salt.

168 Horrible idea, but what do you expect from the GOP leadership?  This outfit is bankrupt.

169 This is an excellent post. It is very informative. Thank you so much. I'll be a regular viewer.

170 Long story: blah, American people, blah, fairness, blah, and God Bless the....

Short story: Cash in your chips, buy lots of expensive champagne, then run drunkenly headlong off a cliff screaming: My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.

171

Wow no end to jets for the wealthy? 

 

Calling Dr. Obama, the corpseman to the Damned.

172

Boehner's approach is to hold Obama accountable for the debt issue.

Since Obama has done nothing besides blame Bush, donÂ’t expect the accountability for his own fuckups to go over very well.

The Dems want to continue to spend us into oblivion and theyÂ’re not interested in cutting taxes.  Pork barrel projects and ObamaÂ’s socialist agenda need funding.  ‘Fiscal responsibilityÂ’  is a foreign concept.

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