1 Is it good to set an example, when you know with certainty that the Democrats will not reciprocate in turn?

2 no good deed shall go unpunished, or something

3 On Wednesday the new speaker of the House of Representatives plans to offer a package of rule changes that, he says, will give minority-party members more of a say and decentralize power. ... Mr. Boehner is promising he'll be a different figure from many speakers throughout history—from Republican Joseph Cannon a century ago to his immediate predecessor, Democrat Nancy Pelosi—who kept a tighter leash. Because tight leashes are useless when herding animals. What we need is more Democrat influence. Charles Krauthammer was right.

4

CBO projections or whatnot still show ObamaCare "cutting" costs by $140 billion over 10 years; I doubt anyone really believes that, except Obama's media spirit squad.

I don't know what it's saving the Government...

but it is costing me almost double to pay for my medical coverage.

Thanks, Barack!

5 Only change the rules 'after' you hear the lamentations of their women.

6 Of course, if he uses Nancy's giant gavel at ever session, I'll cut him some slack.

7 This is stupid.  The solution to Speaker power abuse by Nancy Pelosi is not to give her more power as minority leader when she has been removed from the position.

There's also no guarantee that the Democrats won't change the rules back when they come into power.

And lastly, if he thinks he will get good press from the media for this, he's an idiot.  The Democrats will grab up the power he gives and use it against him while the media ignores it.

8 All of the rules I actually read make some sense.  I especially like "cut-go."

Of course, we all know that the rules can be suspended on a simple majority vote (which is how the Democrats got around Pay-Go every time they passed a bill) so these are largely meaningless statements.

What will matter is if he sticks to them.

9 4 My shit has gonew u too and my girls insurance was dropped to shittier coverage. Wouldn't know that from the lies I see on my TV though.

10 Rules and promises are made to be broken. Sorry I lied can't come soon enough.

11 I wish he'd use Nancy's Giant Gavel of Gloat to beat the bitch over the head.  And then follow up with Dingy Harry.

12

I think the Republicans should spot the Democrats some votes, too.

You know, to make thing fairer-er.

13 I don't know if this is a good idea. It sounds good, I guess, to decentralize power and give backbenchers more of a say, and it sounds good to some, I guess, to give the minority (re: the Democrats) more power.

If he actually plans on doing it I think it is a shitty idea.

Current House rules call for a pay-as-you-go requirement that any tax cut or spending increase for a mandatory (i.e., entitlement) program must be offset by cuts in other mandatory spending or increases in other taxes to avoid increasing the deficit.

That rule has NEVER been used by the Dems for anything but fighting a tax reduction. They may as well remove it because it is totally ignored by both sides.

The Republican majority instead plans to institute a “cut-as-you-go,” or “cut-go,” rule that says any new mandatory spending must be offset with spending cuts, not tax hikes, according to a blog post by spokesman Don Seymour on the Web site of incoming House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio.

That one will be ignored as well. How about we get off this damn "rule" bandwagon and start splitting the budget bills and zeroing out some of these boondoggles as promised.

14 There's also no guarantee that the Democrats won't change the rules back when they come into power. File under "So obvious only a Republican could miss it."

15 One of the new wrinkles Boehner and company will add to how the House operates will be to read the Constitution aloud....

Reading the Constitution, a 4,543-word document that includes its 27 amendments, is a half-hour exercise that will occur on Jan. 6, a day after Boehner is sworn in.

Anyone know when the last time that that happened?

 

16 It doesn't look to me as though Democrats are gaining any real power - just a seat at the policy table.  A PR move, more than anything else.

17

Regrets?

No.

I hve no regrets.

18 And lastly, if he thinks he will get good press from the media for this, he's an idiot.

Exactly, when are these idiots going to learn. You can not appease the enemy, be they terrorists or the press.

19 @13 Yes, Vic. A cloud of smoke and a disco ball of mirrors. Was November 2, 2010 just a dream?

20 Posted by: Vic at January 04, 2011 01:39 PM (M9Ie6)

As much as it pains me to agree with Eeyore, here, he's right.  The rules are meaningless and will be ignored whenever they're inconvenient.  That's actually a feature, not a bug- it's just a really sucky feature.

The correct thing to do is remove the pay-go rule, since everyone was ignoring it anyway, and then start sending single item spending bills through to the Senate.

21 It used to be true (at least with me) that Republicans think Democrats are stupid and Democrats think Republicans are evil.  I have now amended my opinion to be that Demcorats are evil.

22 Anyone know when the last time that that happened?

Who know, but Robert Byrd kept a copy in his pocket! All the time! Maybe he read it once even!

23 1 Is it good to set an example, when you know with certainty that the Democrats will not reciprocate in turn?

Posted by: Minotaur-R at January 04, 2011 01:34 PM (S5YRY)

--No.  Also, most voters have such short memories that they won't be affected by such Marquess of Queensbury measures.  Even someone supportive of the majority like me is not going to use this as a talking point when libtards keep shoutung "racist!" and "bigot!"

24 Anyone know when the last time that that happened?

I think Sheets used to whip out his pocket Constitution and read from it on occasion.  Which just goes to show that the Devil can quote scripture too.

25 And the stupid party still lives.

26 Bohner needs to have anew gavel made to look like Thor's hammer. Then get the canceled Airborne Laser installed in the ceiling.

That should get their attention.

27 Who know, but Robert Byrd kept a copy in his pocket! All the time! Maybe he read it once even! Robert Byrd could read?

28 It would be nice if the House also addressed the static assessment that the CBO is required to use to look at legislative cost impacts. It's total horseshit as is and both sides know it.
 
Instead, they are just going to 'exempt' OFuckwadCare from CBO impact calcs.
 
It's the wrong solution to the problem.

29 How about sheduling votes to repeal FuckObamacare on Christmas Eve and give noone time to read the bill? How about shutting Democrats out of everything including amendments? That's what they did dumbasses.

30 Pickett's Charge!!

31

We'll see. On its face, I couldn't see too much problem with the proposed changes. And in theory, it's hard to complain that you were stiffed as a minority, then fail to address that issue when you are back in power. That's the type of double standard and hypocrisy the Republicans always face from Democrats, who NEVER cede ANY power, or fail to exercise it as much as possible.

On the other hand, have the Democrats ever conceded anything to Republicans or engaged in anything approaching honest, "shared responsibility" when it comes to governing? When they are in power, no trick is too low, and there is never any recognition of the thought that sweeping changes should encompass input from both schools of thought. I'm laughing as I write. Probably the Democrats are laughing, too.

I think the man is trying to do the right thing, but truly, it's like a swimmer trying to negotiate with a school of piranha in a shared tank. No offense meant to the piranha.

32 I want to see Boehner suggest things like what was mentioned on the previous thread: The GOP should follow Drew's advice and attach ObamaCare repeal to the bill replacing the debt limit. Dear John: This isn't a cotillion. Play tough, and don't pretend niggling about rules will cut the knot. Read COTUS on the floor? How about something effective for a change?

33 Lions are your friends.  They are peaceful animals. They wan...... akkk...

34 OT: The snark-free guy is catching some liberal love for his One Krugerrand Fox News challenge.

35 Posted by: GnuBreed at January 04, 2011 01:47 PM (h0RtZ)

It is, but its so esoteric a rule and even the Tea Party (mostly) cares so little about it that changing that rule would be seen as having "the wrong focus."

Besides, if they had guts, what Republicans would do is send the worst possible "assumptions" to the CBO to jack up the cost of every single bill they send.  Then they could say "Whoops, this one is too expensive, I guess we've got to cut that money going to teach African men to wash their junk."

Of course, they don't have guts, and they won't do that, but it's nice to dream.

36

I haven't seen any proposed rule change I don't like, but Vic is right that rules are made to be ignored, unless of course they are the rules called laws that are incomprehensible but binding on the proles. (Anyone who claims to be law abiding does so incidentaly at best, due to the labrythine nature of our legal codes).

So far the new congress is making some good signals, but results will matter more.

37 All this hate. I think I'm going to cry again.

38 Mamby pamby

39 “The new rules will reflect a new culture of fiscal discipline in Congress; no longer will the system be rigged in favor of ever-more (and sometimes automatic) spending hikes,” wrote Seymour. Utter crap. Baseline budgeting demands and guarantees increases. Do the new rules affect that? How can the House change that or is it beyond their purview? Prediction: The next budget will be larger than the previous one. There is no way to avoid a government shutdown if the new House is serious about cutting actual, real spending.

40

Robert Byrd could read?

Posted by: George Orwell at January 04, 2011 01:46 PM (AZGON)

Yes, although when he learned the language there were only 23 letters.

41 It is, but its so esoteric a rule and even the Tea Party (mostly) cares so little about it that changing that rule would be seen as having "the wrong focus."
 
Perhaps, but it really is how OCare got muscled through. The CBO report itself said that there were many uncertainties that could throw their calcs off (duh) but the Dems just kept gaming the CBO until they got their 'deficit neutral' result.
 
If folks don't know what the 'static assessment' method does, I'll give an example. The government taxes a pack of cigs $1 per pack, and gets $250 million in revenue. They propose changing the tax to $100 per pack. CBO will calculate that this will result in $25 billion in revenue. There will be no lessening of pack purchases as a result of the change.

42 Wrong headed.  Bullies don't understand sharing and courtesy.   They only understand power and anything less than grabbing all you can, is looked on as weakness.

43 Is it too late to elect LTC Allen West as speaker?  Could we have that rule change? 

44 Posted by: GnuBreed at January 04, 2011 02:02 PM (h0RtZ)

No, it's not.  BOHICAre got through because it was going to get through, come Hell or high water.  Everything the Democrats said about "deficit neutral" and such were lies and everyone knew it.  Even if they couldn't have come up with a set of assumptions that led to a "deficit neutral" CBO result, they just would have said: "Oh well, that's the cost of defending every citizen's right to affordable health care," and would have passed it anyway.

Just as important as dynamic v static analysis is the list of "assumptions" passed to the CBO- since they aren't allowed to question those assumptions.  The CBO with BOHICAre even came out and said something along the lines of, "These assumptions are ludicrous, but we have to follow them, so here's the estimate based on that."

45 Why, oh why, do the Republicans feel the need to behave like a minority party even in situations then they AREN'T in the minority??

Why can't these useless idiots prove they actually have spines?

46 Well hell.  Dems will just change it back when they eventually retake the House.  I feel like Nov 2 was all for nothing.

47

I would have preferred a rule like this:

"Smoking will now be allowed in the Chamber and the Speakers ash tray shall be the biggest"

That's all I got.

Oh wait!  And bourbon, in crystal decanters with hand cut ice.

"Gentlemen, lets get to work."

48 Posted by: GnuBreed at January 04, 2011 02:02 PM (h0RtZ) I know I'm a terrible Eeyore, but it is intractable things like static assessment and baseline budgeting that make me one.

49 I don't care one way or another about the rules changes. I don't think they really mean anything. The new, improved GOP's handling of the debt ceiling increase will tell the real story here. If they approve it, it's third-party time.

50 While we're at it, let's remove the bars from every other jail cell.

51

let the Dems propose amendments ...  they'll get voted down ... everytime they try and delay they'll be forcing the MSM to cover things and that is never good for the Dems ...

Sunlight kills the dems everytime ...

52 Why can't these useless idiots prove they actually have spines?

Because for the most part, they actually don't.

53 Don't worry, the GOP will approve the debt ceiling increase. They will do so while touting some "promise" to cut spending later, which will not happen.

54 Posted by: Roadking at January 04, 2011 02:09 PM (WwCYR)
 
Cut. Jib. Etc. Could we also add 'weekly dunk tank the ex-Speaker, with a variety of live carnivorous critters therein'? Open this to the public, and we could reduce the deficit in no time.

55 George Orwell @ 53: Yeah, that's my expectation too.

56 I don't know if these rules really give the minority more power or not.  From what's posted above, it doesn't really seem like it.  But Boehner is getting hammered in the right-wing blogosphere.  He needs to say something about this, because right now the narrative is that he's caving to his Democrat buds in the House.

57 Great....'cause the left always, always fights fairly.

58 How can anyone be so naive? Have we forgotten what ruthless crooks those oily weasels on the left are? Maybe this is a ploy to give them enough rope to hang themselves with, but I cant believe an establishment GOP like John could be that clever.

59 John Boehner: Professional Idiot

this sort of thing is why the GOP/Conservatives have ZERO chance of winning the war for the soul of this nation in the long run...we surrender without firing a shot far too often...and the Dems will take this and shove it crossways up Boehner's ass...I hope it likes it rough...

stupid, pompous twit

60 Nancy Pelosi says she has "no regrets".

After all she and her compatriots did to the Republicans and the country as a whole, do you still want to give the Democrats more say, Mr Boehner?

61 Meet the newest graduate of the Trent Cave-A-Lott School of Faux Leadership, John Boehner, or as we like to call him, Ben Dover.

62

Nancy Pelosi says she has "no regrets".

I think Metallica once wrote a song about that...

No remorse, no repent.
We don't care what it meant.
Another day, another death,
Another sorrow, another breath.

63

Ryan gets power - Ace loves it

Boenher gives up some power - Ace rides the worry boat to Shakeytown

 

none of them need more power, all of them need less power doesn't matter which Party.

64 They don't need to exempt the ObamaCare Repeal: "In order to cut ObamaCare, we have to cut short some other liberal dreams, too."  What's wrong with that?

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The Republican party never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Pretty much par for the course I think....next thing we will hear is that Issa will not be investigating the corruption within the administration...oh wait....

 

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