March 16, 2011

Both Republicans and Democrats Now Spoiling for a Shutdown Fight?
— Ace

Via Hot Air, former Foxer Major Garrett reports:

House Republicans have been winning the dollar debate but are dissatisfied with piecemeal victories. Senate Democrats have been retreating in billion-dollar increments and now want to battle over the big picture. The collision and a spring federal government shutdown—possibly lasting weeks—appear more likely than ever.

...

Rep. Rob Woodall, R-Ga., said he has only begun the fight to defund health care and attack funding for the White House’s environmental agenda. “If you think I am done, you are mistaken,” Woodall said. Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., again declared now was the time “to pick a fight” as even House Appropriations Committee Chairman Harold Rogers, R-Ky., lamented that short-term spending bills constituted a “terrible way to do business.”

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Rep. Mike Simpson, R-Idaho, said Republicans can and will pass the full amount of cuts originally sought, which is now $51 billion from current, fiscal 2010 spending levels the government is operating on. “We can pass that,” Simpson said, referring to the tattered budget process inherited from the last Congress as “a pile of crap.”

I don't mind a little spoiling for a fight (a shutdown). It's always useful to have part of the caucus threatening mutiny, even just from a negotiating standpoint. Anything that forces the Overton Window to the right is good.

The only thing is -- what got us in trouble last time, as I understand it, is that the House Republicans seemed eager for a shutdown, and the independents, being people who don't like clear, binary choices put starkly to them, got mad that they were being asked to participate in their own democracy.

Until now, the GOP has been fairly successful in conveying that it's the Democrats who are really pushing for a shutdown, because the Democrats can't help but keep offering quotes to the media about how much they'll profit politically from a shutdown.

We should continue playing the we-don't-really-want-to-shut-the-government-down game. But, if it comes to that, then it comes to that. Saving us billions a week. Oops.

Also at Hot Air, professional smart-guy Keith Hennessey says the death-by-a-thousand-cuts strategy is a winning one. And if you want more, just start digging the knife in a little more deeply each time. But don't abandon a strategy that is, so far, producing tangible results.

Instead of threatening to oppose the next CR no matter what, impatient fiscal conservatives should demand that their party leaders ratchet up the the spending cuts in the next CR. Spending cuttters, pull the Republican team in your direction. Demand $3B of spending cuts per week rather than $2B. If policy-specific funding limitations are a priority, choose one funding limitation and insist that it be included in the next CR. (IÂ’d choose the EPA regs, which tend to unify Republicans and split Democrats.) Use House Republican control of the legislative text to put the President and Leader Reid in the position where they have to choose between a little more savings and shutting down the government. ItÂ’s hard for them to explain why $2B of savings per week is OK, but $3B per week is the end of the world. Use that to your advantage.

For decades those who favor bigger government have succeeded incrementally, by patiently layering one new program on top of another, and by pocketing incremental spending increases that build up over time. Over the next six months spending cutters are now perfectly positioned to do this in reverse.

I don't know if he's completely right, because until now, we have basically cut what Obama had proposed cutting anyway. This $10 billion in cuts was chosen specifically because Obama or the Democrats had proposed them in the past and would not be able to easily say no to their own meager cutting proposals.

From this point on, we dig into the stuff Democrats have on their no-go list.

The current strategy will probably not work for long -- the Democrats will dig in at some point.

Taxpayer-Subsidized Cowboy Poetry Slams are of course a central pillar of this nation. No Democrat can stand by and let such critical American institutions be assaulted by not having a meaningless $50,000 per year thrown at them.

That said, I think it puts us in a better position if we have a $3 billion in cuts CR on the table and the Democrats elect to shut down the government over that.

I think there will be a shutdown. I don't think we have to hope for it or try to speed it on its way; I believe it is inevitable and necessary. As Wyatt Earp says in the underrated Costner/Kasdan biopic, when asked if there's going to be a fight at the OK Corral: "I think there must be."

But it will help in the resulting murder trial* if it appears that the Earps were forced to draw on the Clantons.


* Yeah there was one. Or an inquest, at least. Some legal proceeding. Was in the movie and everything.

Washington Examiner: Let's Beat The Rope-A-Dope By Walking Right Into The Trap The Rope-A-Dope Poses: I don't think the Washington Examiner really understands the rope-a-dope.

The whole point of Ali's famous gambit was to frustrate an opponent by going into a defensive crouch, making him impatient and begin expending useless energy on trying to beat the hard-to-punch-through rope-a-dope, exhausting himself. So when Ali came out of the crouch (when he chose to), he'd be facing a winded opponent, and could knock him out.

How do you beat that? Well, you don't fall for the trap of whaling on someone in a defensive crouch. When the opponent picks a strategy of patience and frustration, you match it with your own patience and frustration-making.

To beat the rope-a-dope in boxing, you don't go berserk. That's what the strategy counts on. Instead, you play along, take what the opponent gives you, keep your punch count higher than your opponent's (that's not hard, since he's on defense) so you win the round on pure technical bias towards the aggressive fighter. Even when you don't actually land a blow, you win just by taking what you're given.

Similarly, here, we should take every billion the Democrats are willing to cede to us in their rope-a-dope crouch. Bank it. Put it on the scoreboard. Get those points.

And then strike when we decide we have the advantage. Not when your opponents have the advantage.

At the end of the day, if we pass, say, four CR's (I doubt we'd be so lucky), we'd have already banked some $12-16 billion in cuts, making the next round of cuts less difficult to get. If we're shooting for $61 billion (a low sum, I know, but that is where the party is), well, it's easier if we've already got $16 billion in cuts banked and are now pressing for $45 billion.

The Democrats are in the rope-a-dope. So's President Passive Prissypants. Fine. Just keep hitting them. Take what they give you. Make them go berserk in frustration.


Posted by: Ace at 12:25 PM | Comments (89)
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1 Kabuki.

Posted by: nickless at March 16, 2011 12:28 PM (MMC8r)

2 That said, I think it puts us in a better position if we have a $3 billion in cuts CR on the table and the Democrats elect to shut down the government over that

Put cuts to one of the Progressive Dems' sacred cows in it.  Something that regular (blue-collar perhaps?) dems don't care about, but that their elites and progressives do care about.  Make them swallow that pill or shut down over it. 

NPR might be one choice, but I'm sure there are others if we put our thinking caps on. 

Posted by: Y-not at March 16, 2011 12:29 PM (pW2o8)

3 National Endowment for the Arts?

Posted by: Y-not at March 16, 2011 12:29 PM (pW2o8)

4 Given the current gallup polling on energy production it looks like the EPA thing is a good choice.

Posted by: ace at March 16, 2011 12:30 PM (nj1bB)

5 Sink me the ship, Master Gunner - sink her, split her in twain! Fall into the hands of God, not into the hands of Spain!

Posted by: Sir Richard Grenville at March 16, 2011 12:31 PM (GTbGH)

6 Bring it. Now is the time for the Dali Bama to face a reality. The spending must stop. Lets kill Obamacare for the children. Literally!!!!

Posted by: Barry Winning The Future at March 16, 2011 12:32 PM (Q5+Og)

7

 

The Final CountShutdown.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at March 16, 2011 12:32 PM (QMtmy)

8 Cut off funding for greens fees.

Posted by: nickless at March 16, 2011 12:33 PM (MMC8r)

9 Taxpayer-Subsidized Cowboy Poetry Slams are of course a central pillar of this nation. Cattle thundering Darkly across the prairie. Where's the subsidy?

Posted by: Billy Bob "Walt" Whitman at March 16, 2011 12:35 PM (RD7QR)

10 Let's not forget the democrat wisconsin strategy, get judges to say that budget cuts are unconstitutional or something.

Posted by: joeindc44 at March 16, 2011 12:35 PM (QxSug)

11 Hennessy stole that from me.  Ok probably not, since I said it should double every time, 2, 4, 8.  Shutdown is ok with me too.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 16, 2011 12:36 PM (kfP69)

12 If the rethugs cut Muslim rocket poetry....it's on.

Posted by: Harry Reid at March 16, 2011 12:36 PM (1fB+3)

13 I like the slow-walk approach that continues to box Obama into the 'do nothing' approach to leadership. When choosing between the Obama is a radical or Obama is absent approach, I think we can tar him with both. He does nothing on some big issues while doing nothing on others. Both approaches are wrong.

Posted by: MJ at March 16, 2011 12:37 PM (BKOsZ)

14

Here's Marco Rubio on the subject:

Sen. Rubio Talks Opposition To CR On Mark Levin

...

PS Gov. Walker on with Neil C. on Fox Business at 6PM

Posted by: momma at March 16, 2011 12:39 PM (penCf)

15 Oops. I meant he does nothing on big issues while doing exactly the opposite of the people's will on others. Damn multi tasking.

Posted by: MJ at March 16, 2011 12:39 PM (BKOsZ)

16

Shouldn't drag this out because the Democrats are already spreading the lies that Republicans are cutting heating-fuel assistance and education programs.




Posted by: Soothsayer Barone at March 16, 2011 12:39 PM (uFokq)

17 The cowboys pitch camp As the sun turns orange above. Hey! Government beer!

Posted by: Billy Bob "Walt" Whitman at March 16, 2011 12:39 PM (RD7QR)

18 4 Given the current gallup polling on energy production it looks like the EPA thing is a good choice.

Yeah, I was going to say that.  The only thing is that because it's got technical issues associated with it, I think the regular rank-and-file Dems could be bamboozled into believing Oh noes! the Republicans want us to die! by the MSM and Progressives (but I repeat myself).  I'm not sure the timing is right to spotlight environmental cuts with the Japan thing going down.  I'd still make the cuts, but not in this sort of CR gesture.

But wadda I know? 

Posted by: Y-not at March 16, 2011 12:40 PM (pW2o8)

19 Republicans are cutting heating-fuel assistance

For May?

Posted by: nickless at March 16, 2011 12:40 PM (MMC8r)

20 We hve a 1600 billion defecit, why are we fucking around with only 3 billion cuts? Get out the Paul Anka hammer and start slicing!

Posted by: Schwalbe : The © at March 16, 2011 12:40 PM (UU0OF)

21 How about calling out the Dems saying that (1) it's obvious as daylight that they are doing this because they think they can gain political points. (2) the democrats are failures at governing if they are saying there's absolutely nothing to be cut from a budget that has grown - what ? - double in four years?

Posted by: joeindc44 at March 16, 2011 12:41 PM (QxSug)

22 The only thing I fear with a government shutdown is that the media will portray the Republicans in a bad light and the Republicans, who are generally horrible at effective messaging, won't be able to counteract the media's bias.

Posted by: devilish at March 16, 2011 12:41 PM (3eTJD)

23 They should remove one engine from Air Force One to save on fuel costs.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 16, 2011 12:41 PM (1fB+3)

24 Your kids are too fat.

Posted by: Moochelle at March 16, 2011 12:41 PM (kfP69)

25 They should remove one engine President from Air Force One to save on fuel costs national dignity.

Posted by: George Orwell at March 16, 2011 12:44 PM (AZGON)

26 Wait - 51 billion?

WTF happened to '100bn in cuts' you fargin corksoakers?

Posted by: blindside at March 16, 2011 12:44 PM (x7g7t)

Posted by: Y-not at March 16, 2011 12:45 PM (pW2o8)

28 Anyone else thinking that its the time of the year that the Democrats have been reluctant to force the government shutdown issue.  Since nothing really does shut down no one will notice.  Except I guess last time it was the national parks that did shut down.  So if they shut down now, there's going to be little noticeable non-activity.  But if they shut down in warm weather when people might be considering going to visit then that would be prime photo-op time for them to lament the mean Republicans keeping people out of national parks.

Posted by: buzzion at March 16, 2011 12:45 PM (oVQFe)

29 I've been worried for a long time that Princess Barack has been stockpiling hard commodities embezzled from the treasury in some third-world island paradise so that he could pull the pin on the grenade and then go live in exile. I don't worry about it anymore. I just want him to get on with it already.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at March 16, 2011 12:46 PM (Pzf4N)

30 Next time cut $16 billion.

When the Dems wail, your response is 'That's 1% of our deficit.'

Posted by: nickless at March 16, 2011 12:47 PM (MMC8r)

31 The ratchet in cuts should be to the power of two.
2 billion this time. 4 the next. 8 the following. We only need to rinse and repeat 10 times to reach our goal of balancing the budget.


Posted by: blindside at March 16, 2011 12:48 PM (x7g7t)

32 But if they shut down in warm weather when people might be considering going to visit then that would be prime photo-op time for them to lament the mean Republicans keeping people out of national parks.

Visit state or local parks.

Posted by: nickless at March 16, 2011 12:48 PM (MMC8r)

33 Anyone else thinking that its the time of the year that the Democrats have been reluctant to force the government shutdown issue.... ------------- I like your thinking, but I doubt the Dems are smart enough to look that far ahead. They really seem to believe that a government shutdown will help them win public sympathy, like in 95.

Posted by: MJ at March 16, 2011 12:48 PM (BKOsZ)

34

OT

 

Puke.Gag. Puke

Obama's tanking?  MO's arms to the rescue!

Posted by: momma at March 16, 2011 12:49 PM (penCf)

35

Roses are red,

Violets are blue,

AAAhhhhh, go fuck yourself!

Posted by: Soona at March 16, 2011 12:49 PM (6RbV1)

36 Hey, um what ever happened to the ONE WEEK deadline set by Judge Vinson?

Posted by: elliot m at March 16, 2011 12:49 PM (pDWjd)

37 If they can get $51 billion in cuts every year, the budget will be balanced in 30 years.

Posted by: Dr Spank at March 16, 2011 12:50 PM (1fB+3)

38 O/T:  sorry to interrupt but thought this was slightly concerning and wanted to have the feed back from you guys:  "NUKE CRISIS: No More Water In Spent Fuel Pools, And A Crucial Power Line Has Been Delayed"

Posted by: curious at March 16, 2011 12:50 PM (k1rwm)

39 IIRC that was for the Gov to file. They did.

Posted by: MJ at March 16, 2011 12:50 PM (BKOsZ)

40 From what I have seen the leadership and a lot of the squishes are ready to fold. It is the new crowd that is pushing.

But you can never tell anymore. It is hard to tell who to believe anymore. I have come to the conclusion that all of the news media are liars.

The problem with relying solely on the 'nets is that most of the bloggers don't have access to the politicians.

Posted by: Vic at March 16, 2011 12:50 PM (M9Ie6)

41 Visit state or local parks.

I think a lot of those have already closed, at least in Cali and Utah. 

I don't know if the vacationing public is such a large, united constituency, especially right now with money so tight for most of us.  I don't think the timing matters with respect to this. 

Posted by: Y-not at March 16, 2011 12:50 PM (pW2o8)

42 Let's get ready to Ruummmblllle!

Posted by: that boxing voice guy at March 16, 2011 12:51 PM (kfP69)

43

When do we get a headline that reads: 

"Government Agency Closes With Its Mission Accomplished" ?

Posted by: Mr. Dave at March 16, 2011 12:51 PM (dYKl3)

44 In 1995, the economy was heating up and dumbass Gingrich said on camera that he was going through with the shutdown because he and Senator Dole were forced to sit in the back of Air Force One. Now, the economy is in the shitter, unemployment is horrific, inflation is starting to leave teeth marks in people's asses, and Princess Barack is on track to have his jersey retired as the all-time greatest petulant little cocksucker.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at March 16, 2011 12:54 PM (Pzf4N)

45

The thrashing the republicans took in the 96 elections after the shutdown should give us all pause in thinking of doing it again.

WASHINGTON -- Republicans apparently retained control of Congress last night, claiming consecutive majorities in both houses for the first time since 1930 despite the sweeping victory by President Clinton.

Like Clinton, the Republican lawmakers benefited from a seeming satisfaction with incumbents that marked a striking departure from the anti-Washington fervor that brought them to power two years ago for the first time in 40 years.

Yes there was a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth in the MFM not so much in the voters.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 16, 2011 12:54 PM (tf9Ne)

46 Hey, um what ever happened to the ONE WEEK deadline set by Judge Vinson?

Posted by: elliot m at March 16, 2011 04:49 PM (pDWjd)

 

Within a week the DOJ submitted the case to the circuit court.

Posted by: Soona at March 16, 2011 12:54 PM (6RbV1)

47 If the rope-a-dope doesn't work, I'm afraid the democrats will try to sweep the leg. Boehner better be practicing his crane style.

Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at March 16, 2011 12:55 PM (+lsX1)

48 Q. What do you call 4 NY Times "journalists" missing in Libya?
A: A good start.
No, I don't care. Screw 'em.

Posted by: real joe at March 16, 2011 12:56 PM (w7Lv+)

49 I'm not worried.  I'll be in Rio, punks.

Posted by: Barak the Hussein at March 16, 2011 12:57 PM (6RbV1)

50

O.T.

What do you call 4 missing NYT reporters in Libya?

A GOOD START!

Ooooh, too soon?

Posted by: Gilbert G. at March 16, 2011 12:57 PM (nyxv/)

51 Sometimes the opponent isn't playing rope a dope. Sometimes he is hurt... use'n the ropes to stay on his feet, grasp'n for a second breath and you miss the opportunity of the knock out.

roflmao

Posted by: donabernathy at March 16, 2011 12:58 PM (V7zNr)

52

Obama's tanking?  MO's arms to the rescue!

Posted by: momma at March 16, 2011 04:49 PM (penCf)



Those pictures are SOOOO photoshopped it's not even funny........

Posted by: © Sponge at March 16, 2011 12:58 PM (UK9cE)

53 45

The thrashing the republicans took in the 96 elections after the shutdown should give us all pause in thinking of doing it again.

WASHINGTON -- Republicans apparently retained control of Congress last night, claiming consecutive majorities in both houses for the first time since 1930 despite the sweeping victory by President Clinton.

Like Clinton, the Republican lawmakers benefited from a seeming satisfaction with incumbents that marked a striking departure from the anti-Washington fervor that brought them to power two years ago for the first time in 40 years.

Yes there was a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth in the MFM not so much in the voters.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 16, 2011 04:54 PM (tf9Ne)

Yeah that's the important thing to remember about the last shutdown.  But remember we're talking about Republicans in the Senate and House who always seem to be much more concerned with how the media views them than how their constituents do.

Posted by: buzzion at March 16, 2011 12:58 PM (oVQFe)

54 GEEZ.....why are the Italics FAILING me today!!!!!!

Posted by: © Sponge at March 16, 2011 12:58 PM (UK9cE)

55
Posted by: momma at March 16, 2011 04:49 PM (penCf)



It's funny that the article is all about how fashion seems to be changing to fit Moochelle's "bare arm" style.......when 90% of women's fashion is already doing that, and has been "bare arm" for decades.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 16, 2011 01:00 PM (yf5H9)

56 It's all about the narrative. Too eager and we become the shutting down government to hurt poor people party, instead, we constantly deploy the reverse "no we would hate to shut down government and are willing to negotiate" while demanding 99% of what we want, and make the Democrats into the government strike to fleece the taxpayer party.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 16, 2011 01:00 PM (0q2P7)

57 We should continue playing the we-don't-really-want-to-shut-the-government-down game. But, if it comes to that, then it comes to that. Saving us billions a week.

Um, according to Monty's earlier post, we're past the point where under a shutdown, the government will still be running at a deficit.

Posted by: Methos at March 16, 2011 01:01 PM (uqJo6)

58 Why are the Republican leaders not pointing out that the DEMS had MAJORITIES in BOTH HOUSES and refused to pass a budget!?!  I mean, it's not like it was the R's fault they didn't.  They were blocked from all debate on everything the D's did, so it's not their responsibility for where we are right now.  NUT UP you bastards.  We need LEADERS right now, not candy-ass puss bags that won't do anything.......

Posted by: © Sponge at March 16, 2011 01:01 PM (UK9cE)

59 This is starting to look like the finale to "The Wild Bunch"

Match the movie characters to a politician.

Posted by: SaintGeorgeGentile at March 16, 2011 01:02 PM (S1K5Y)

60 Quit punching down, House Republicans!

Posted by: Some Guy Who Remembers Shut Downs at March 16, 2011 01:06 PM (mHQ7T)

61 I don't think they're going to pass another CR. McCarthy had enough trouble finding the votes for it and many of those individuals said this was the last one. I've also seen some of the comments from some lawmakers' FB pp and people are angry. They are apparently unaware of the fact that many of yesterday's no votes were in fact for a compromise, and that this compromise will be an arbitrary number negotiated by Appropriations.* The anger will eventually turn-back to all members once a compromise is passed. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

*Another interesting fact is that Rep. Jim Jordan, one of the most libertarian members of Congress, admitted that both sides of this debate (drip-drip vs. compromise) have valid points.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 16, 2011 01:07 PM (UO6+e)

62 instead, we constantly deploy the reverse "no we would hate to shut down government and are willing to negotiate" while demanding 99% of what we want

Refer to the Ann Coulter post about the PR war with WI unions.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 16, 2011 01:09 PM (mHQ7T)

63 58 Why are the Republican leaders not pointing out that the DEMS had MAJORITIES in BOTH HOUSES and refused to pass a budget!?!  I mean, it's not like it was the R's fault they didn't.  They were blocked from all debate on everything the D's did, so it's not their responsibility for where we are right now.  NUT UP you bastards.  We need LEADERS right now, not candy-ass puss bags that won't do anything.......

They have, and the point was made again after San Fran Nan went on the House floor and claimed that Dems are the party of fiscal responsibility. But the reason we don't hear more about these pressers and TV segments is because the MBM ignores them. If they don't report on them, well, they essentially didn't happen.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 16, 2011 01:11 PM (UO6+e)

64 It's funny that the article is all about how fashion seems to be changing to fit Moochelle's "bare arm" style

I defy the MBM to find a single living, breathing female not living in an underpass with applesauce all over her ruddy jowls who claims that she's trying to dress like Michelle "I saw that dress stretched over the Brady Bunch's couch" Obama.

Throw another $10,000 in the Breitbart Cleaver bounty that will never be claimed.

Posted by: VJay at March 16, 2011 01:15 PM (gQ+XA)

65 From the Senate: McConnell and McCain also said that they are not voting for any future CR that does not include funding for defense.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 16, 2011 01:17 PM (UO6+e)

66 I'll add this: I think the conservatives in the House agree that there is a problem, but these recent votes have proven that they are all divided as to how to solve it. Let's take the stop-gap CR, for example. You have one side that voted to compromise with Reid & Obama now while the other side voted for the "death by a 1000 cuts" method. Both sides of this debate do indeed have legitimate points but it's time for the fiscal cons to come together with some solutions to our problems. They can't keep breaking on every issue while expecting the public to take them seriously when it comes to the looming economic crisis.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 16, 2011 01:29 PM (UO6+e)

67

Defund the EPA.  Defund NPR.  Defund FCC.  Sunset Medicare/medicaid @ 2020.  Sunset SS @ 2050 with no one under 30 required to pay FICA..  leave FICA cap @ present cap and EAT the cost.  Future will be brighter... a light at the end of the tunnel for the young.

End Minimum wage.  Legislate a 15 year hiatus on EPA regs on gasoline blends.  Winter blend, summer blend.  Maybe a high altitude blend.... thats it.  No ethanol mandate.  Hiatus on clean diesel requirement/compliant engines for 20 years.  ( we could have European engines in no-time ). 

Hiatus for 20 years on environmental regulation. 

 

I likey!

Posted by: Yip at March 16, 2011 01:33 PM (SyLEU)

68 Whatever.  I've been declared essential so I'll have to go in--but at least I'll get paid.  I doubt there's going to be back pay for those kept home like in '95-'96.  Furlough and shutdown all in one.

Posted by: mikey at March 16, 2011 01:39 PM (hlNxi)

69 I think there will be a shutdown. I don't think we have to hope for it or try to speed it on its way; I believe it is inevitable and necessary.

Yeah, pretty much.  There is no way to avoid a shutdown if that is what the Dems want, and they certainly do.  The rest of this is just positioning before it happens.  I don't know if it will play like '95 but we don't have a choice.  If we don't call the bluff, we might as well not be there.

Posted by: pep at March 16, 2011 01:45 PM (P18+/)

70 @55: Does that include the hairy pits?

Posted by: Tim the Enchanter at March 16, 2011 01:49 PM (izA2D)

71 31 The ratchet in cuts should be to the power of two.
2 billion this time. 4 the next. 8 the following.

I like your thinking, but I suspect a Fibonacci series would be more sustainable politically.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at March 16, 2011 01:50 PM (fjoLg)

72 @68.  I am also essential.  Some of my coworkers, who were around in 95 foolishly believe they are getting a paid vacation, but I think the political climate is much different this time around. 

I guess they could be right, the senate is still Dem, but it's a big gamble.

Posted by: elliot at March 16, 2011 02:10 PM (DxDmY)

73 Fibonacci series

Got me thru 3 grades of Science.

If we're shooting for $61 billion (a low sum, I know, but that is where the party is),

61/1,300 = 4.6% of this years problem solved in 1/2 year - woohoo!
I'm expecting the inflation to blow the roof off of Printing & Engraving so hard every reactor on the planet says "You win, dood"

Posted by: Dave at March 16, 2011 02:13 PM (zfVyM)

74 NPR is getting defunded via a separate bill. The vote is taking place tomorrow.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 16, 2011 02:18 PM (UO6+e)

75

The problem is, it's not enough money in the cuts.  When we are spending more than we are taking in, not even counting payment on the debt, a billion here and a billion there isn't going to cut it (pun intended!).  We need to get serious and our reps need to grow a pair, but since they haven't done so in the past 50 years or so, it doesn't look like they will.

How about something like this for a beginning.  If you are under 40, you must start your own 401k plan, because your retirement payments from social security won't kick in until you are 70 and they will be proportional to your own retirement plan.  If you are under 30 and until age 70, you must provide at least 20% of your own medicare or whatever premiums yourself, even if it means picking peaches or working at MickyD's.  If your grandparents were on welfare, and your parents were on welfare, you are not eligible for welfare after the age of 21.

It may seem heartless, but even the Apostle Paul says, let him who will not work not eat.

Posted by: TimothyJ at March 16, 2011 02:24 PM (G5+tV)

76

Goodbye UFC,

Helloooo CSPAN2!

Posted by: Max Entropy at March 16, 2011 02:31 PM (lH6z9)

77 74 NPR is getting defunded via a separate bill. The vote is taking place tomorrow.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 16, 2011 06:18 PM (UO6+e)

Even if it succeeds, it has to get through the Senate and through the veto pen.

The real solution is to not fund it in the budget bill. No need to defund what has never been appropriated.

Posted by: blindside at March 16, 2011 02:32 PM (x7g7t)

78 77 74 Even if it succeeds, it has to get through the Senate and through the veto pen.
The real solution is to not fund it in the budget bill. No need to defund what has never been appropriated.

We shall see what the conference has decided when they release the budget bill early next month.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 16, 2011 02:51 PM (UO6+e)

79

Ace,

You beat the rope a dope with a punch square in the nuts.  It costs you a point, but it's worth it in a title fight.  This is a title fight.

Yes, controlling the opponents ability to counterpunch is needed when an opponent is still dangerous.  No, that does not override the mandate for effective aggression.  We need the ring generalship to do both.

Yes, do the body work to weaken their legs, but when the knockout becomes available it is time to throw some bombs.

Posted by: jc at March 16, 2011 02:58 PM (i8c5b)

80
Ace is delerious. Just drop the boxing analogy and admit the Repubics are fucking up royally. Or if you want to continue the boxing analogy- Ali could actually throw a punch when he came out of the crouch. The Repubics? Hah! They lost 54 congressman yesterday. If they keep this up, they'll continue to bleed support.

If the Republican Party had campaigned on Rope-a-Dope this last election, I might have stayed home.

Posted by: sartana at March 16, 2011 03:54 PM (7Xm5b)

81

If they shut down the national parks in Colorado, I won't be complaining about the Republicans. I'll be complaining about that sissy Hickenlooper allowing the Feds to keep hold of so much of our state.

(well, about that and about that shitheel candidate Maes not quitting when he was certain to lose)

Posted by: Zimriel at March 16, 2011 04:04 PM (pl1+G)

82  A more correct analogy would be the "jacknife". When rear of the truck keeps going forward, but the the cab is putting on the brakes. The GOP was given a mandate for radical measures. We demanded red meat and they're giving us chiclets. You can talk Rope-a-Dope all you want- Boehner is not cooking with gas and know it.

By refusing to lead boldly, the GOP establishment is setting itself up for their nightmare scenario- the nomination of a maverick outsider for the 2012 election by a Palin or Bachmann.

Posted by: sartana at March 16, 2011 04:09 PM (7Xm5b)

83 The Donks set spending into the stratosphere and we're supposed to get excited about the easy pocket change that falls out after a couple of shakes? I'm sorry but that's just insane. The Democrats are playing a delaying tactic, eating up valuable legislative time while cut essentially nothing from government, coincidentally embedding ObamaCare and god knows what all else as the original federal bloat scheme continues.

Ridiculous. Is Rand Paul the only one who appreciates numbers?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 16, 2011 04:49 PM (swuwV)

84 to the author fuck you. cut obama care out. kill it; cut the spending, shut the fucking govt down then cut more with the debt limit. what would be worst thing that can happen the republicans lose the election and obama wins in 2012. then the country will not be worth saving and we can divide this sucker up. the best thing that can happen is conservatives win all of congress and the white house and all is right with the world. But either way this shit has to end now.

Posted by: pd at March 16, 2011 05:18 PM (ZR8/4)

85 Ridiculous. Is Rand Paul the only one who appreciates numbers?

No, but Rand Paul is one of the few who actually cares.

Posted by: MlR at March 16, 2011 05:32 PM (uxyPr)

86

There were many behind the scenes elements that contributed to the success of the Rope a Dope.  The most important of which is that George Foreman was exhausted even before he climbed into the ring.  Everybody in the country of Zaire was pulling for Ali, so what would happen is that crowds would assemble outside Foreman's room and chant "Ali, Ali Bomaye" --  Kill him Ali.

Foreman did not sleep well for several nights before the fight.  Moreover, the fight took place at the unnatural hour of 4 AM, so that it could be broadcast back in the States on closed circuit TV. Combine that with tropical heat and made Foreman  much weaker than he would have had been under normal circumstances and fell prey to exhaustion much sooner as well.  The Rope a Dope was perfect for Zaire; it might have been suicidal if Ali had tried it at Madison Square Garden

Posted by: Call me Lennie at March 16, 2011 05:56 PM (GOsSG)

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88

11,000 people could build a fucking runway with shovels. @ y nots link ,

comment 27.

Posted by: rightlysouthern at March 16, 2011 07:55 PM (apaJ9)

89 I wasn't sure about the strategy at the time but it appears to be working so far. The Democrats are trying to sucker the GOP into publicly forcing a shutdown but Boehner and his minions have held the line and are getting some small cuts here and there. It's not much but drips turn into torrents given time.

One counter to rope-a-dope is to pretend to be tired and winded and an easy target. Sooner or later, the roper comes out of that defensive stance and the smart boxer is ready for that. But one has to control gut reaction and fight smart for it to work.

Warning: probably won't work on a young Mike Tyson.

Posted by: Full Moon at March 17, 2011 04:32 AM (DtbEv)

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