March 16, 2011
— Ace Via Hot Air, former Foxer Major Garrett reports:
House Republicans have been winning the dollar debate but are dissatisfied with piecemeal victories. Senate Democrats have been retreating in billion-dollar increments and now want to battle over the big picture. The collision and a spring federal government shutdown—possibly lasting weeks—appear more likely than ever....
Rep. Rob Woodall, R-Ga., said he has only begun the fight to defund health care and attack funding for the White House’s environmental agenda. “If you think I am done, you are mistaken,” Woodall said. Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., again declared now was the time “to pick a fight” as even House Appropriations Committee Chairman Harold Rogers, R-Ky., lamented that short-term spending bills constituted a “terrible way to do business.”
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Rep. Mike Simpson, R-Idaho, said Republicans can and will pass the full amount of cuts originally sought, which is now $51 billion from current, fiscal 2010 spending levels the government is operating on. “We can pass that,” Simpson said, referring to the tattered budget process inherited from the last Congress as “a pile of crap.”
I don't mind a little spoiling for a fight (a shutdown). It's always useful to have part of the caucus threatening mutiny, even just from a negotiating standpoint. Anything that forces the Overton Window to the right is good.
The only thing is -- what got us in trouble last time, as I understand it, is that the House Republicans seemed eager for a shutdown, and the independents, being people who don't like clear, binary choices put starkly to them, got mad that they were being asked to participate in their own democracy.
Until now, the GOP has been fairly successful in conveying that it's the Democrats who are really pushing for a shutdown, because the Democrats can't help but keep offering quotes to the media about how much they'll profit politically from a shutdown.
We should continue playing the we-don't-really-want-to-shut-the-government-down game. But, if it comes to that, then it comes to that. Saving us billions a week. Oops.
Also at Hot Air, professional smart-guy Keith Hennessey says the death-by-a-thousand-cuts strategy is a winning one. And if you want more, just start digging the knife in a little more deeply each time. But don't abandon a strategy that is, so far, producing tangible results.
Instead of threatening to oppose the next CR no matter what, impatient fiscal conservatives should demand that their party leaders ratchet up the the spending cuts in the next CR. Spending cuttters, pull the Republican team in your direction. Demand $3B of spending cuts per week rather than $2B. If policy-specific funding limitations are a priority, choose one funding limitation and insist that it be included in the next CR. (IÂ’d choose the EPA regs, which tend to unify Republicans and split Democrats.) Use House Republican control of the legislative text to put the President and Leader Reid in the position where they have to choose between a little more savings and shutting down the government. ItÂ’s hard for them to explain why $2B of savings per week is OK, but $3B per week is the end of the world. Use that to your advantage.For decades those who favor bigger government have succeeded incrementally, by patiently layering one new program on top of another, and by pocketing incremental spending increases that build up over time. Over the next six months spending cutters are now perfectly positioned to do this in reverse.
I don't know if he's completely right, because until now, we have basically cut what Obama had proposed cutting anyway. This $10 billion in cuts was chosen specifically because Obama or the Democrats had proposed them in the past and would not be able to easily say no to their own meager cutting proposals.
From this point on, we dig into the stuff Democrats have on their no-go list.
The current strategy will probably not work for long -- the Democrats will dig in at some point.
Taxpayer-Subsidized Cowboy Poetry Slams are of course a central pillar of this nation. No Democrat can stand by and let such critical American institutions be assaulted by not having a meaningless $50,000 per year thrown at them.
That said, I think it puts us in a better position if we have a $3 billion in cuts CR on the table and the Democrats elect to shut down the government over that.
I think there will be a shutdown. I don't think we have to hope for it or try to speed it on its way; I believe it is inevitable and necessary. As Wyatt Earp says in the underrated Costner/Kasdan biopic, when asked if there's going to be a fight at the OK Corral: "I think there must be."
But it will help in the resulting murder trial* if it appears that the Earps were forced to draw on the Clantons.
* Yeah there was one. Or an inquest, at least. Some legal proceeding. Was in the movie and everything.
Washington Examiner: Let's Beat The Rope-A-Dope By Walking Right Into The Trap The Rope-A-Dope Poses: I don't think the Washington Examiner really understands the rope-a-dope.
The whole point of Ali's famous gambit was to frustrate an opponent by going into a defensive crouch, making him impatient and begin expending useless energy on trying to beat the hard-to-punch-through rope-a-dope, exhausting himself. So when Ali came out of the crouch (when he chose to), he'd be facing a winded opponent, and could knock him out.
How do you beat that? Well, you don't fall for the trap of whaling on someone in a defensive crouch. When the opponent picks a strategy of patience and frustration, you match it with your own patience and frustration-making.
To beat the rope-a-dope in boxing, you don't go berserk. That's what the strategy counts on. Instead, you play along, take what the opponent gives you, keep your punch count higher than your opponent's (that's not hard, since he's on defense) so you win the round on pure technical bias towards the aggressive fighter. Even when you don't actually land a blow, you win just by taking what you're given.
Similarly, here, we should take every billion the Democrats are willing to cede to us in their rope-a-dope crouch. Bank it. Put it on the scoreboard. Get those points.
And then strike when we decide we have the advantage. Not when your opponents have the advantage.
At the end of the day, if we pass, say, four CR's (I doubt we'd be so lucky), we'd have already banked some $12-16 billion in cuts, making the next round of cuts less difficult to get. If we're shooting for $61 billion (a low sum, I know, but that is where the party is), well, it's easier if we've already got $16 billion in cuts banked and are now pressing for $45 billion.
The Democrats are in the rope-a-dope. So's President Passive Prissypants. Fine. Just keep hitting them. Take what they give you. Make them go berserk in frustration.
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Put cuts to one of the Progressive Dems' sacred cows in it. Something that regular (blue-collar perhaps?) dems don't care about, but that their elites and progressives do care about. Make them swallow that pill or shut down over it.
NPR might be one choice, but I'm sure there are others if we put our thinking caps on.
Posted by: Y-not at March 16, 2011 12:29 PM (pW2o8)
Posted by: ace at March 16, 2011 12:30 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Sir Richard Grenville at March 16, 2011 12:31 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Barry Winning The Future at March 16, 2011 12:32 PM (Q5+Og)
Posted by: Billy Bob "Walt" Whitman at March 16, 2011 12:35 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: joeindc44 at March 16, 2011 12:35 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 16, 2011 12:36 PM (kfP69)
Posted by: Harry Reid at March 16, 2011 12:36 PM (1fB+3)
Posted by: MJ at March 16, 2011 12:37 PM (BKOsZ)
Here's Marco Rubio on the subject:
Sen. Rubio Talks Opposition To CR On Mark Levin
...
PS Gov. Walker on with Neil C. on Fox Business at 6PM
Posted by: momma at March 16, 2011 12:39 PM (penCf)
Posted by: MJ at March 16, 2011 12:39 PM (BKOsZ)
Shouldn't drag this out because the Democrats are already spreading the lies that Republicans are cutting heating-fuel assistance and education programs.
Posted by: Soothsayer Barone at March 16, 2011 12:39 PM (uFokq)
Posted by: Billy Bob "Walt" Whitman at March 16, 2011 12:39 PM (RD7QR)
Yeah, I was going to say that. The only thing is that because it's got technical issues associated with it, I think the regular rank-and-file Dems could be bamboozled into believing Oh noes! the Republicans want us to die! by the MSM and Progressives (but I repeat myself). I'm not sure the timing is right to spotlight environmental cuts with the Japan thing going down. I'd still make the cuts, but not in this sort of CR gesture.
But wadda I know?
Posted by: Y-not at March 16, 2011 12:40 PM (pW2o8)
Posted by: Schwalbe : The © at March 16, 2011 12:40 PM (UU0OF)
Posted by: joeindc44 at March 16, 2011 12:41 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: devilish at March 16, 2011 12:41 PM (3eTJD)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 16, 2011 12:41 PM (1fB+3)
Posted by: George Orwell at March 16, 2011 12:44 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Y-not at March 16, 2011 12:45 PM (pW2o8)
Posted by: buzzion at March 16, 2011 12:45 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at March 16, 2011 12:46 PM (Pzf4N)
2 billion this time. 4 the next. 8 the following. We only need to rinse and repeat 10 times to reach our goal of balancing the budget.
Posted by: blindside at March 16, 2011 12:48 PM (x7g7t)
Visit state or local parks.
Posted by: nickless at March 16, 2011 12:48 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: MJ at March 16, 2011 12:48 PM (BKOsZ)
Posted by: elliot m at March 16, 2011 12:49 PM (pDWjd)
Posted by: Dr Spank at March 16, 2011 12:50 PM (1fB+3)
Posted by: curious at March 16, 2011 12:50 PM (k1rwm)
But you can never tell anymore. It is hard to tell who to believe anymore. I have come to the conclusion that all of the news media are liars.
The problem with relying solely on the 'nets is that most of the bloggers don't have access to the politicians.
Posted by: Vic at March 16, 2011 12:50 PM (M9Ie6)
I think a lot of those have already closed, at least in Cali and Utah.
I don't know if the vacationing public is such a large, united constituency, especially right now with money so tight for most of us. I don't think the timing matters with respect to this.
Posted by: Y-not at March 16, 2011 12:50 PM (pW2o8)
Posted by: that boxing voice guy at March 16, 2011 12:51 PM (kfP69)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at March 16, 2011 12:54 PM (Pzf4N)
The thrashing the republicans took in the 96 elections after the shutdown should give us all pause in thinking of doing it again.
WASHINGTON -- Republicans apparently retained control of Congress last night, claiming consecutive majorities in both houses for the first time since 1930 despite the sweeping victory by President Clinton.Like Clinton, the Republican lawmakers benefited from a seeming satisfaction with incumbents that marked a striking departure from the anti-Washington fervor that brought them to power two years ago for the first time in 40 years.
Yes there was a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth in the MFM not so much in the voters.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 16, 2011 12:54 PM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: elliot m at March 16, 2011 04:49 PM (pDWjd)
Within a week the DOJ submitted the case to the circuit court.
Posted by: Soona at March 16, 2011 12:54 PM (6RbV1)
Posted by: Ted Kennedy's Gristle Encased Head at March 16, 2011 12:55 PM (+lsX1)
A: A good start.
No, I don't care. Screw 'em.
Posted by: real joe at March 16, 2011 12:56 PM (w7Lv+)
Posted by: Barak the Hussein at March 16, 2011 12:57 PM (6RbV1)
roflmao
Posted by: donabernathy at March 16, 2011 12:58 PM (V7zNr)
Obama's tanking? MO's arms to the rescue!
Posted by: momma at March 16, 2011 04:49 PM (penCf)
Those pictures are SOOOO photoshopped it's not even funny........
Posted by: © Sponge at March 16, 2011 12:58 PM (UK9cE)
The thrashing the republicans took in the 96 elections after the shutdown should give us all pause in thinking of doing it again.
WASHINGTON -- Republicans apparently retained control of Congress last night, claiming consecutive majorities in both houses for the first time since 1930 despite the sweeping victory by President Clinton.Like Clinton, the Republican lawmakers benefited from a seeming satisfaction with incumbents that marked a striking departure from the anti-Washington fervor that brought them to power two years ago for the first time in 40 years.
Yes there was a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth in the MFM not so much in the voters.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at March 16, 2011 04:54 PM (tf9Ne)
Yeah that's the important thing to remember about the last shutdown. But remember we're talking about Republicans in the Senate and House who always seem to be much more concerned with how the media views them than how their constituents do.
Posted by: buzzion at March 16, 2011 12:58 PM (oVQFe)
Posted by: © Sponge at March 16, 2011 12:58 PM (UK9cE)
Posted by: momma at March 16, 2011 04:49 PM (penCf)
It's funny that the article is all about how fashion seems to be changing to fit Moochelle's "bare arm" style.......when 90% of women's fashion is already doing that, and has been "bare arm" for decades.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 16, 2011 01:00 PM (yf5H9)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at March 16, 2011 01:00 PM (0q2P7)
Um, according to Monty's earlier post, we're past the point where under a shutdown, the government will still be running at a deficit.
Posted by: Methos at March 16, 2011 01:01 PM (uqJo6)
Posted by: © Sponge at March 16, 2011 01:01 PM (UK9cE)
Match the movie characters to a politician.
Posted by: SaintGeorgeGentile at March 16, 2011 01:02 PM (S1K5Y)
*Another interesting fact is that Rep. Jim Jordan, one of the most libertarian members of Congress, admitted that both sides of this debate (drip-drip vs. compromise) have valid points.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 16, 2011 01:07 PM (UO6+e)
Refer to the Ann Coulter post about the PR war with WI unions.
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 16, 2011 01:09 PM (mHQ7T)
They have, and the point was made again after San Fran Nan went on the House floor and claimed that Dems are the party of fiscal responsibility. But the reason we don't hear more about these pressers and TV segments is because the MBM ignores them. If they don't report on them, well, they essentially didn't happen.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 16, 2011 01:11 PM (UO6+e)
I defy the MBM to find a single living, breathing female not living in an underpass with applesauce all over her ruddy jowls who claims that she's trying to dress like Michelle "I saw that dress stretched over the Brady Bunch's couch" Obama.
Throw another $10,000 in the Breitbart Cleaver bounty that will never be claimed.
Posted by: VJay at March 16, 2011 01:15 PM (gQ+XA)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 16, 2011 01:17 PM (UO6+e)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 16, 2011 01:29 PM (UO6+e)
Defund the EPA. Defund NPR. Defund FCC. Sunset Medicare/medicaid @ 2020. Sunset SS @ 2050 with no one under 30 required to pay FICA.. leave FICA cap @ present cap and EAT the cost. Future will be brighter... a light at the end of the tunnel for the young.
End Minimum wage. Legislate a 15 year hiatus on EPA regs on gasoline blends. Winter blend, summer blend. Maybe a high altitude blend.... thats it. No ethanol mandate. Hiatus on clean diesel requirement/compliant engines for 20 years. ( we could have European engines in no-time ).
Hiatus for 20 years on environmental regulation.
I likey!
Posted by: Yip at March 16, 2011 01:33 PM (SyLEU)
Posted by: mikey at March 16, 2011 01:39 PM (hlNxi)
Yeah, pretty much. There is no way to avoid a shutdown if that is what the Dems want, and they certainly do. The rest of this is just positioning before it happens. I don't know if it will play like '95 but we don't have a choice. If we don't call the bluff, we might as well not be there.
Posted by: pep at March 16, 2011 01:45 PM (P18+/)
Posted by: Tim the Enchanter at March 16, 2011 01:49 PM (izA2D)
2 billion this time. 4 the next. 8 the following.
I like your thinking, but I suspect a Fibonacci series would be more sustainable politically.
Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at March 16, 2011 01:50 PM (fjoLg)
I guess they could be right, the senate is still Dem, but it's a big gamble.
Posted by: elliot at March 16, 2011 02:10 PM (DxDmY)
Got me thru 3 grades of Science.
If we're shooting for $61 billion (a low sum, I know, but that is where the party is),
61/1,300 = 4.6% of this years problem solved in 1/2 year - woohoo!
I'm expecting the inflation to blow the roof off of Printing & Engraving so hard every reactor on the planet says "You win, dood"
Posted by: Dave at March 16, 2011 02:13 PM (zfVyM)
The problem is, it's not enough money in the cuts. When we are spending more than we are taking in, not even counting payment on the debt, a billion here and a billion there isn't going to cut it (pun intended!). We need to get serious and our reps need to grow a pair, but since they haven't done so in the past 50 years or so, it doesn't look like they will.
How about something like this for a beginning. If you are under 40, you must start your own 401k plan, because your retirement payments from social security won't kick in until you are 70 and they will be proportional to your own retirement plan. If you are under 30 and until age 70, you must provide at least 20% of your own medicare or whatever premiums yourself, even if it means picking peaches or working at MickyD's. If your grandparents were on welfare, and your parents were on welfare, you are not eligible for welfare after the age of 21.
It may seem heartless, but even the Apostle Paul says, let him who will not work not eat.
Posted by: TimothyJ at March 16, 2011 02:24 PM (G5+tV)
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 16, 2011 06:18 PM (UO6+e)
Even if it succeeds, it has to get through the Senate and through the veto pen.
The real solution is to not fund it in the budget bill. No need to defund what has never been appropriated.
Posted by: blindside at March 16, 2011 02:32 PM (x7g7t)
The real solution is to not fund it in the budget bill. No need to defund what has never been appropriated.
We shall see what the conference has decided when they release the budget bill early next month.
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 16, 2011 02:51 PM (UO6+e)
Ace,
You beat the rope a dope with a punch square in the nuts. It costs you a point, but it's worth it in a title fight. This is a title fight.
Yes, controlling the opponents ability to counterpunch is needed when an opponent is still dangerous. No, that does not override the mandate for effective aggression. We need the ring generalship to do both.
Yes, do the body work to weaken their legs, but when the knockout becomes available it is time to throw some bombs.
Posted by: jc at March 16, 2011 02:58 PM (i8c5b)
Ace is delerious. Just drop the boxing analogy and admit the Repubics are fucking up royally. Or if you want to continue the boxing analogy- Ali could actually throw a punch when he came out of the crouch. The Repubics? Hah! They lost 54 congressman yesterday. If they keep this up, they'll continue to bleed support.
If the Republican Party had campaigned on Rope-a-Dope this last election, I might have stayed home.
Posted by: sartana at March 16, 2011 03:54 PM (7Xm5b)
If they shut down the national parks in Colorado, I won't be complaining about the Republicans. I'll be complaining about that sissy Hickenlooper allowing the Feds to keep hold of so much of our state.
(well, about that and about that shitheel candidate Maes not quitting when he was certain to lose)
Posted by: Zimriel at March 16, 2011 04:04 PM (pl1+G)
By refusing to lead boldly, the GOP establishment is setting itself up for their nightmare scenario- the nomination of a maverick outsider for the 2012 election by a Palin or Bachmann.
Posted by: sartana at March 16, 2011 04:09 PM (7Xm5b)
Ridiculous. Is Rand Paul the only one who appreciates numbers?
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 16, 2011 04:49 PM (swuwV)
Posted by: pd at March 16, 2011 05:18 PM (ZR8/4)
No, but Rand Paul is one of the few who actually cares.
Posted by: MlR at March 16, 2011 05:32 PM (uxyPr)
There were many behind the scenes elements that contributed to the success of the Rope a Dope. The most important of which is that George Foreman was exhausted even before he climbed into the ring. Everybody in the country of Zaire was pulling for Ali, so what would happen is that crowds would assemble outside Foreman's room and chant "Ali, Ali Bomaye" -- Kill him Ali.
Foreman did not sleep well for several nights before the fight. Moreover, the fight took place at the unnatural hour of 4 AM, so that it could be broadcast back in the States on closed circuit TV. Combine that with tropical heat and made Foreman much weaker than he would have had been under normal circumstances and fell prey to exhaustion much sooner as well. The Rope a Dope was perfect for Zaire; it might have been suicidal if Ali had tried it at Madison Square Garden
Posted by: Call me Lennie at March 16, 2011 05:56 PM (GOsSG)
Posted by: fake coach bags at March 16, 2011 06:17 PM (SEnSD)
One counter to rope-a-dope is to pretend to be tired and winded and an easy target. Sooner or later, the roper comes out of that defensive stance and the smart boxer is ready for that. But one has to control gut reaction and fight smart for it to work.
Warning: probably won't work on a young Mike Tyson.
Posted by: Full Moon at March 17, 2011 04:32 AM (DtbEv)
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