October 13, 2011
— LauraW DETAILS DEVELOPING....
Rick Perry and his top-notch economic advisors are releasing the framework of a startling and paradigm-shattering new plan...
We here at AOSHQ along with some large media outlets and other, lesser, blogs are in the process of receiving the bare bones of this plan, with fill-in details to come later.
All we can tell you right now is that they call it:
"8-8-8."
All credit for this joke goes to scottw.
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Posted by: Methos at October 13, 2011 05:44 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at October 13, 2011 05:44 PM (MyByM)
Posted by: Learflyer at October 13, 2011 05:44 PM (9vscO)
Does anyone else here hate the 9-9-9 plan? I don't give a damn what Ryan thinks about it.
Posted by: As If! at October 13, 2011 05:44 PM (piMMO)
Does anyone else here hate the 9-9-9 plan? I don't give a damn what Ryan thinks about it.
I prefer the 8-8-8 plan myself.
Posted by: Killerdog at October 13, 2011 05:45 PM (CZrbJ)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at October 13, 2011 05:45 PM (nDSx7)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 05:45 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: tcn at October 13, 2011 05:46 PM (hQX3k)
Posted by: Cain's Ideas-Bankrupt Opponents and their Flunkies at October 13, 2011 05:46 PM (0F3ej)
Posted by: nevergiveup at October 13, 2011 05:46 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 05:47 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2011 05:47 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: Michelle Bachmann at October 13, 2011 05:47 PM (6TB1Z)
Some folks. See the "Cain Picks Up Establishment Support" from earlier in the day. Though that thread devolved into another "No, Really, We Still Don't Want Romney" thread.
Posted by: Methos at October 13, 2011 05:48 PM (sOXQX)
See, it is better already!!!
Posted by: Killerdog at October 13, 2011 05:48 PM (CZrbJ)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2011 05:48 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: willow at October 13, 2011 05:48 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 05:48 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Killerdog at October 13, 2011 05:49 PM (CZrbJ)
Posted by: Michelle Bachman at October 13, 2011 05:50 PM (afrI6)
Faith in WHAT? Mexico??
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 09:45 PM (niZvt)
Thank you, CoolCzech, it needed to be said. What a heaping load of utter horseshit.
Posted by: Peaches at October 13, 2011 05:50 PM (/ybwc)
oo oo oo
A boobie thread
Posted by: phoenixgirl at October 13, 2011 09:49 PM (nDSx7)
mmmmmm, boobies!
Posted by: Killerdog at October 13, 2011 05:50 PM (CZrbJ)
Posted by: Barry Obama at October 13, 2011 05:51 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at October 13, 2011 05:51 PM (nDSx7)
Posted by: RINO Repellent at October 13, 2011 05:51 PM (DMxvZ)
Posted by: Rick Perry at October 13, 2011 05:52 PM (Sh42X)
Posted by: willow at October 13, 2011 09:48 PM (h+qn
Posted by: Methos, wearing a Glenn Beck t-shirt at October 13, 2011 05:52 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Barry XVI at October 13, 2011 05:52 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: ziptie at October 13, 2011 05:53 PM (VUvXQ)
Posted by: Barry Obama at October 13, 2011 05:53 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Mike James at October 13, 2011 05:54 PM (FMUMi)
Posted by: Racist, Right-Wing Terrorist or Tea Party Member for short at October 13, 2011 05:54 PM (PIPAS)
At least he'd be a competent Dread Lord of Darkness. The Son of Perdition would never give out-of-region DVDs to a visiting head of state.
Posted by: toby928©: Perrykrishna and general know-it-all at October 13, 2011 05:54 PM (GTbGH)
How embarrassing for you, CoolCzech.
Bwahahahahahaha! No boobies for you!
Posted by: Peaches at October 13, 2011 05:54 PM (/ybwc)
Does anyone else here hate the 9-9-9 plan? I don't give a damn what Ryan thinks about it.
What I am understanding of it.. hell no. So we pay a 9% national sales tax on TOP of what I am already paying in state and local (7.5%). Medicine and food are not exempt either. Fuck no. Cain is really losing me here and I was really starting to like him. And Perry's wife didn't do him any favors tonight with her stupid remarks. We really are boned...
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at October 13, 2011 05:55 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: Barry XVI at October 13, 2011 05:55 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Overheard at the WH at October 13, 2011 05:55 PM (6Cjut)
Posted by: Peaches at October 13, 2011 05:55 PM (/ybwc)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 05:56 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Racist, Right-Wing Terrorist or Tea Party Member for short at October 13, 2011 05:56 PM (PIPAS)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at October 13, 2011 05:56 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: hitchhiker with suspicious duffel bag at October 13, 2011 05:57 PM (Fw2Gg)
"And for the first time in my life, I am proud of my country." (paraphrased)
Didn't hurt my man did it?
Posted by: Michelle Obama at October 13, 2011 05:57 PM (lLxs/)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at October 13, 2011 05:57 PM (nDSx7)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 05:57 PM (niZvt)
Ron Paul will probably take that one and screw it all up.
The 6-6-6 plan doesn't have legs.
Posted by: scott at October 13, 2011 05:57 PM (DbybK)
My wife is watching X-Faxtor.. and this is what our country has come to.. a bunch of tattooed wannabes with no musical talent pretending to be the current singing sensation.. It's like.. "Give me a million dollars cuz I can dance like a slut!"
That is the same attitude on OWS.. gimme gimme gimme cuz I deserve it. We should simply wipe out this generation and write it off as a really bad mistake.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 13, 2011 05:57 PM (UTq/I)
Does anyone else here hate the 9-9-9 plan? I don't give a damn what Ryan thinks about it.
What I am understanding of it.. hell no. So we pay a 9% national
sales tax on TOP of what I am already paying in state and local (7.5%).
Medicine and food are not exempt either. Fuck no. Cain is really
losing me here and I was really starting to like him. And Perry's wife
didn't do him any favors tonight with her stupid remarks. We really are
boned...
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at October 13, 2011 09:55 PM (Z71Vg)
I agree, this really sucks.
Posted by: Killerdog at October 13, 2011 05:57 PM (CZrbJ)
Does anyone else here hate the 9-9-9 plan? I don't give a damn what Ryan thinks about it.
The Daily Caller headline was misleading:
“We need more bold ideas like this because it is specific and credible. I’m more of a flat-tax kind of a guy.”
He also said it was a starting point for debate.
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 13, 2011 05:58 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at October 13, 2011 05:58 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 05:59 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Dr Spank at October 13, 2011 05:59 PM (Sh42X)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at October 13, 2011 09:55 PM (Z71Vg)
It worse than that, his 9% tax on businesses only allow investments, purchases (from american companies only) and dividend payments to be deducted from the companies gross income.
No labor, insurance, attorneys fees, rent, or anything else except what I mentioned can be deducted. Even if you lose money you would have to pay taxes. It's a business and job killer.
Posted by: robtr at October 13, 2011 05:59 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2011 05:59 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: Dell at October 13, 2011 05:59 PM (3S10h)
Posted by: blaster at October 13, 2011 06:00 PM (Fw2Gg)
Newt's the smartest guy in the room on either side. But if he is the nominee, he's going to get his ass kicked on his private life. I like him, but the LSM will beat his ass. Are you prepared for that?
Posted by: Samuel Adams at October 13, 2011 06:00 PM (lLxs/)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2011 06:00 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2011 09:55 PM (fyOgS)
Women use them as eyes. So when talking to them, be sure to look straight at their boobs.
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 09:57 PM (niZvt)
It also helps to squeeze them once in a while to see if they need to be pumped up with more air.
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 13, 2011 06:01 PM (afrI6)
Dude, that's pretty much what's coming.
Posted by: The Laws of Mathematics, as applied to the economy at October 13, 2011 06:01 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: willow at October 13, 2011 06:01 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Amanda Jane at October 13, 2011 06:02 PM (gvlTU)
No labor, insurance, attorneys fees, rent, or anything else except what I mentioned can be deducted. Even if you lose money you would have to pay taxes. It's a business and job killer.
Well, see I didn't know that either. It's just a horrible plan. And you NEVER, EVER give the freaking congress another money pipeline like that. Good grief, on that point, Santorum had it right.
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at October 13, 2011 06:02 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:02 PM (niZvt)
It's a mind-fuck, for sure.
Posted by: Peaches at October 13, 2011 06:03 PM (/ybwc)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 13, 2011 06:03 PM (PjVdx)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:03 PM (niZvt)
I want to see those that contribute nothing contribute something.
The "raise it" argument is weak. They can raise anything at anytime.
Why not tax drug dealers?
Posted by: scott at October 13, 2011 06:04 PM (DbybK)
Posted by: Racist, Right-Wing Terrorist or Tea Party Member for short at October 13, 2011 06:04 PM (PIPAS)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2011 06:05 PM (fyOgS)
---
I'm still with Perry. Newt's a distant second.
I would just ignore whatever is coming out of his wife's pie hole with regards to her opinions about the campaign. It's just not relevant.
Posted by: Y-not at October 13, 2011 06:06 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Killerdog at October 13, 2011 06:06 PM (CZrbJ)
Posted by: blaster at October 13, 2011 06:06 PM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: Peaches at October 13, 2011 10:03 PM (/ybwc)
We're the GOP and we will mind-fuck you.
I like it Peaches.
Posted by: Tami-Cardinals! at October 13, 2011 06:07 PM (X6akg)
Believe me. I know all you Bachmann followers said I was full of it when I said she could never ever be the nominee. But I was right.
Same with Cain.. people are actually starting to look at the details of his 9-9-9 plan and it is disastrous. He'll be back to single digits in a few weeks.
He's a powerful personality, but no one is going to elect him president.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 13, 2011 06:07 PM (UTq/I)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:07 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: xxxx at October 13, 2011 10:05 PM (1rA2i)
You have hexakosioihexekontahexaphobia. They will be 5 cents please.Posted by: Lucy Van Pelt at October 13, 2011 06:07 PM (afrI6)
Well... give or take a quarter inch...Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:08 PM (niZvt)
Maybe leave that to his top-notch economic advisors,
otherwise I have the feeling the explanation will be:
"we have to drill here now like we do in Texas cause that causes less taxes and in Texas we like less taxes when we Drill here now, ( Drill here now ), see 8 8 8!
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or Submit at October 13, 2011 10:07 PM (tHnoW)
You missed the 'joke' part of the post, didn't you?
Posted by: Tami-Cardinals! at October 13, 2011 06:08 PM (X6akg)
srsly as i've said a million times i wish would could shove newts information and articulation in perry's mouth.
Posted by: willow at October 13, 2011 06:08 PM (h+qn8)
It give the government a new revenue stream, without drying up the old ones.
Flat tax or bust.
Posted by: toby928©: Perrykrishna and general know-it-all at October 13, 2011 06:08 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: steevy at October 13, 2011 06:08 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at October 13, 2011 06:09 PM (nDSx7)
Does it also replace SS and FICA? If not, then to Hell with it.
The 9% sales tax eliminates the SSI and Medicare tax (which is the payroll tax). The 9% federal flat tax replaces the federal income tax we pay now.
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at October 13, 2011 06:09 PM (Z71Vg)
Yeah, if only they would pull their tighty whiteys out of their sagging buttcracks and start playing dirty, we might have a chance.
Posted by: Peaches at October 13, 2011 06:09 PM (/ybwc)
Well... give or take a quarter inch...
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 10:08 PM (niZvt)
bah - 3 tops and that's measuring in centimeters
Posted by: willow at October 13, 2011 06:09 PM (h+qn8)
True enough, he knows the people, procedure, and politics. Someone we really need, but not in the top spot as he has to much ammo for the slimestreammedia..
Posted by: beanervt at October 13, 2011 06:09 PM (+uUFF)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:10 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Racist, Right-Wing Terrorist or Tea Party Member for short at October 13, 2011 06:10 PM (PIPAS)
Does anyone else here hate the 9-9-9 plan? I don't give a damn what Ryan thinks about it.
Yes, it's an awful idea. A sales tax or a VAT tax is a horrible idea.
Why would we add another tax? That's the democrats job. Why don't we make it a 9-9-9-9 plan and make the last 9 represent the dissolution of 9 divisions across our armed forces? If we're going to do the democrats job for them, why not go all out?
Posted by: Ben at October 13, 2011 06:11 PM (tEGzl)
Hey, melts in your mouth, not in your hands, OK??Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:11 PM (niZvt)
I wouldn't be thrilled about it, but if he were the leading not-Romney candidate when the primaries come my way, I guess I could live with him. He's too establishment to crawl over glass, though.
Posted by: Methos at October 13, 2011 06:11 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: scott at October 13, 2011 10:04 PM (DbybK)
Oddly enough, if we legalized drugs, shitcanned the obscenely expensive and wholly ineffective "war on drugs," and taxed the living crap out of the stuff, all of our problems would end tomorrow. But, hey, it's probably racist or something. I denounce myself.
Posted by: Peaches at October 13, 2011 06:12 PM (/ybwc)
Posted by: spiker at October 13, 2011 06:12 PM (fZfKj)
With regards to Newt and why he has risen above Romney and Cain in my estimation, my feeling is that he's a skilled politician who really knows DC. I credit him with staying on focus attacking Obama and delivering a conservative message. Aside from what I see as weaker resumes, I simply can't forgive Romney for demonizing the Social Security reform stuff or Cain's race-baiting crap.
He's obviously done and said some dumb ass stuff, including in the personal arena, but he knows what conservatism is and I think he'd tackle the big stuff with more skill than Cain or Romney because he knows the Beltway. We'd get some of the usual suspects, but I prefer that over the invisible advisers Cain is using (what's up with that?) or the circle Romney seemed to travel in in Massachusetts (there seem to be reports every week about some lib who was a Mitt adviser).
Now, whether or not a guy like Newt can win is a separate matter. I think he is qualified enough to win and politically well-connected enough to win, but I don't know if voters will go for him. I vastly prefer Perry.
Posted by: Y-not at October 13, 2011 06:13 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:13 PM (niZvt)
Newt's the smartest guy in the room on either side. But if he is the nominee, he's going to get his ass kicked on his private life. I like him, but the LSM will beat his ass. Are you prepared for that?
Posted by: Samuel Adams at October 13, 2011 10:00 PM (lLxs/)
Newt, in every debate, has been launching preemptive strikes at the press. And he's damn good at it.
Posted by: Breaker19 at October 13, 2011 06:13 PM (ze29X)
Posted by: Amanda Jane at October 13, 2011 06:13 PM (gvlTU)
Posted by: Peaches
................
Oh yeah.. that's what we need.. to all get right with Jesus.
Let's just keep Jesus out of this one, shall we?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 13, 2011 06:13 PM (UTq/I)
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 13, 2011 06:14 PM (d6QMz)
Point of order; high taxes beget bootlegging and the criminal gangs survive.
Posted by: toby928©: Perrykrishna and general know-it-all at October 13, 2011 06:14 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:14 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: blaster at October 13, 2011 06:14 PM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: xxxx
Wrong again.
God is my Satan.
It's complicated
Posted by: Blue Hen at October 13, 2011 10:11 PM (c9Ivb)
Now for me
dog is my Satan
It's a living
Posted by: David Berkowitz at October 13, 2011 06:14 PM (afrI6)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:15 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: xxxx at October 13, 2011 06:15 PM (1rA2i)
Posted by: xxxx at October 13, 2011 10:10 PM (1rA2i)
Yeah, what's your point?
Posted by: Robert screams SLLLAAAYYYEEERRR!!! at October 13, 2011 06:15 PM (F79HU)
Posted by: t-bird at October 13, 2011 06:15 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Y-not at October 13, 2011 10:13 PM (5H6zj)
Oh what I wouldn't give to see Newt debate Obama.
Obama would be trying to crawl inside the podium.
Posted by: Tami-Cardinals! at October 13, 2011 06:15 PM (X6akg)
Fire the consultants, Mr. Perry.
Posted by: KG at October 13, 2011 06:15 PM (LD21B)
I want to see those that contribute nothing contribute something.
The "raise it" argument is weak. They can raise anything at anytime.
Why not tax drug dealers?
You realize that this is a tax increase...even for those who currently pay taxes, right?
Posted by: As If! at October 13, 2011 06:16 PM (piMMO)
Ha. Only someone without mammon could say that. Back to Wall Street, General Raycon.
Posted by: toby928©: Perrykrishna and general know-it-all at October 13, 2011 06:16 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: SEIU, AFL-CIO, ACORN at October 13, 2011 06:16 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: willow at October 13, 2011 06:17 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at October 13, 2011 06:17 PM (nDSx7)
I don't know and I don't care.
Did she accuse Romney of smothering granny? Did she accuse Cain of being a racist?
Frankly, based on how bizarre that Reverend was and how quickly and eagerly Romney's team jumped on it, I'm wondering why in heck the Family Research Council chose that guy to introduce Perry. And, I wonder why the oh-so-sensitive Romney didn't demand that they distance themselves from the speaker they invited.
Posted by: Y-not at October 13, 2011 06:17 PM (5H6zj)
Let's just keep Jesus out of this one, shall we?
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 13, 2011 10:13 PM (UTq/I)
Nope. Begone, heathen.
Posted by: Methos at October 13, 2011 06:17 PM (sOXQX)
Hey, that's our gig.
Posted by: The Spanish Inquisition at October 13, 2011 10:16 PM (A6Y/T)
I wasn't expecting that...
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 13, 2011 06:18 PM (afrI6)
Posted by: GMB at October 13, 2011 06:18 PM (wY55N)
The 9% sales tax eliminates the SSI and Medicare tax (which is the payroll tax). The 9% federal flat tax replaces the federal income tax we pay now.
So let me get this right.
it gets rid of the SS and Medicare tax 12.4% and 2.9% (if you include both employer and employee).
We get rid of the income tax and replace it with a flat 9%.
Right? Then we add a 9% national sales tax.
Right?
Two problems with this.
With what do we fund medicare and SS with? I haven't heard him say word one about reforming or eliminating either program. And while I am not eliminating them or reforming them at least, I acknowledge that while they do exist, they need to be paid for. So we'll completely cut contributions and ________? How do you fund it if you're not eliminating it? I get the idea that revenue will probably increase over the long haul due to the tax decrease, but that takes time. What do we do in the short term 5-10 years? More importantly, where does the money to pay for these programs come? The General fund?
Second problem, what happens if maybe, just maybe, the Republicans don't control the House, Senate and Presidecny for the rest of our lives.
What's to stop them from keeping the sales tax and then reverting us back to the old income tax with FICA taxes included?
Put it in the constitution? Two more questions. Could we get a 2/3 majority to put it in the constitution? Secondly, do the democrats ever abide by the constitution anyway?
It sounds snappy and easy, but it's fraught with real problems
Posted by: Ben at October 13, 2011 06:18 PM (tEGzl)
I like Newt, he is someone we really need for at least 4 years. But you, willow, and everybody else who knows this shit also know that the sheep will listen to the negatives the fucking media bring up ad-nauseum. There will not be one major media outlet that will give Newt the benefit of the doubt. None! His best bet is a cabinet position. That's why I wondered why he jumped in the race to begin with. He doesn't have to convince me he's qualified, he has to convince the dumbasses. That is a tough sell when he has no media support.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at October 13, 2011 06:19 PM (lLxs/)
77 Fuck no. Cain is really losing me here and I was really starting to like him. And Perry's wife didn't do him any favors tonight with her stupid remarks. We really are boned...
She obviously cares about her husband a great deal, and I certainly get that a Presidential campaign is a difficult thing to go through.
But please spare me the stuff about brutality. If she thinks this is bad, wait till the SCOAMF hit squad goes into action in a general election campaign.
I also saw a comment from her saying that when she heard 9-9-9 she thought of calling 9-1-1.
OK, if you are going to interject yourself into your husband's campaign beyond moral support and encouragement, and go into criticizing the other candidates proposals, you leave yourself open to criticism.
Anita, where is your husband's plan? Cain's plan may be rubbish, but he's got something out there. And by the way, what was that stuff about 'Rick not really wanting to run' all about, going on to say that you basically had to implore him to do so.
A lot of people question whether he ever really wanted any part of this, and I think her comments indicate that just maybe he didn't.
Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 13, 2011 06:20 PM (0DGtF)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:20 PM (niZvt)
Aside from the global warming debacle?
Dede Scozzafova.
He didn't need to support any candidate in that minor election, and yet he offered supported for a straight-up Democrat over a conservative. Inexplicable, and no one has asked him about it since.
His campaign sorely lacks anything that could be called inspiring. Oh, another Contract. Where does he come up with them?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 13, 2011 06:20 PM (kt1UQ)
I am perilously close to going all-in for Newt. Am I alone here? Don't be shy, let's hash this out. If you disagree, why? Posted by: Samuel Adams
Remember when he called Paul Ryan's plan "Right Wing Social Engineering" right when the entire Republican party was puting it's ass on the line in an attempt to reform entitlements?
Posted by: Ben at October 13, 2011 06:21 PM (tEGzl)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:22 PM (niZvt)
Let's not forget throwing gasoline on Paul Ryan and lighting a match called "right wing social engineering"
Posted by: The Q at October 13, 2011 06:22 PM (CJIam)
Personally, I believe any one of the candidates running can easily beat Barky. So, the test for Perry is not whether he could win. The test is whether he could govern effectively. I think that question was answered today when his little wifey felt the need or was told to come out publicly to defend his namby-pamby ass. The boy is from Texas for Christ's sake. Texans never ask their wives to fight for them. Just ain't right.
Posted by: Racist, Right-Wing Terrorist or Tea Party Member for short at October 13, 2011 06:23 PM (PIPAS)
Posted by: Ben at October 13, 2011 06:23 PM (tEGzl)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 13, 2011 06:23 PM (9Lm5R)
Posted by: The Q at October 13, 2011 10:21 PM (CJIam)
Take that back hater, or I'll kick your A-S-S.
Bless you.
Posted by: Anita at October 13, 2011 06:24 PM (ze29X)
Posted by: Peaches at October 13, 2011 06:24 PM (/ybwc)
It's not loyalty.
I just don't see that on the day that Perry made a major policy speech and spoke intelligently about Iran on CNBC, some stupid ass comment that his wife made venting about why her husband had a rough month matters. I never care about the spouses unless they become shadow government officials or do something so egregious that you can't ignore it.
Let's see how his jobs and energy plan looks tomorrow and his tax plan (when he releases that later).
I think people are getting way too emotional -- parsing out every single sentence and interpreting every single gesture or look. But I base my vote on accomplishments and experience more than on rhetoric.
Posted by: Y-not at October 13, 2011 06:24 PM (5H6zj)
I don't mind that they don't pay taxes. I mind that nontaxpayers vote.
But democracy, like entropy, increases over time . . .
This is why I am endorsing Obama as the true Conservative choice in 2012. [Or, at the very least, I'm endorsing a Right-wing boycott.] I don't expect this Constitutional system to survive. The sooner it crashes, the sooner we have a new, oligarchic (or monarchic) Constitution. We the producers will be better off for it.
Posted by: Boulder Monophthalmos at October 13, 2011 06:25 PM (6GvAC)
Easy, the "10% Plan." A ten percent cut in all federal spending--today. It has as realistic a chance of passing as Cain's but exposes the fact that Cain has bought into the lie that all we need is more efficient tax collecting. Pro-tip, Cain: Revenue is not the problem and all your plan does is provide revenue without doing one damn thing to stop borrowing or spending.
Remember, Cain is the guy who couldn't name any federal agency that needed cut or reduced. Cain is the "one-gimmick" campaign; a poster-board slogan of a campaign that can't be defended under any serious analysis.
Posted by: jimmuy at October 13, 2011 06:25 PM (CQSQC)
Posted by: ParanoidStillAGirlInSeattle at October 13, 2011 06:26 PM (RZ8pf)
Like the 47% who don't pay taxes now, they will pay something.
Indeed, while I'm for it in theory, it's not going to be great when Barack Obama is able to run as the guy who is keeping taxes down for the poor and lower middle class.
Posted by: Ben at October 13, 2011 06:26 PM (tEGzl)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at October 13, 2011 06:26 PM (Z71Vg)
Nice.
The fascist right hates Ron Paul, we all know that...
Posted by: xxxx at October 13, 2011 06:26 PM (1rA2i)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:27 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2011 06:27 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Amanda Jane at October 13, 2011 06:27 PM (gvlTU)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:27 PM (niZvt)
I uh, didn't say this. This should be attributed to Peaches...........
I am perilously close to going all-in for Newt. Am I alone here? Don't be shy, let's hash this out. If you disagree, why?
Posted by: Peaches at October 13, 2011 09:55 PM (/ybwc)
But, I do like Newt, just don't think he's electable.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at October 13, 2011 06:28 PM (lLxs/)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:28 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Ben at October 13, 2011 10:23 PM (tEGzl)
And on Obama, he did kinda have an affair with another woman, and several men. So there's that.
Posted by: Breaker19 at October 13, 2011 06:28 PM (ze29X)
Posted by: mike at October 13, 2011 06:29 PM (bMhuZ)
Posted by: ParisParamus at October 13, 2011 06:29 PM (jzm8w)
I just wish Perry would be better at debates.
Posted by: willow at October 13, 2011 06:29 PM (h+qn8)
The fascist right hates Ron Paul, we all know that...
You can tell the difference between Paul Ryan and Ron Paul right?
One of them has the surname Paul the other has the first name Paul, but they are actually two completely different people.
One is a Representative in the House who put forth an entitlement reform plan, the other is the man who conquered the spiders from mars, well hung snow white tan.
Posted by: Ben at October 13, 2011 06:29 PM (tEGzl)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at October 13, 2011 10:26 PM (Z71Vg)
Let's go check with Harry Reid about the rules requiring a supermajority to make a change in a law.
Posted by: buzzion at October 13, 2011 06:29 PM (GULKT)
If they put that in the Constitutional amendment the national sales tax would require, it could hold up.
Posted by: toby928©: Perrykrishna and general know-it-all at October 13, 2011 06:29 PM (GTbGH)
---
OK, let's say it was all a big plan. So what?
Look, when Scary Perry entered the race we knew he would be painted as a Bible-thumping wacko. And that certainly has been part of the portrayal. It's not the explanation for him not maintaining his lead in the polls, but it is true. From day 1 the folks I know who were Romney supporters were whispering that he'd have a Mormon problem and surprise surprise what happens... except that it wasn't Perry's pastor and not done at his introduction and not someone from his "camp" as was reported.
Her comments just don't rate in my book. She didn't smear any of the candidates (did she?). She didn't hurt conservatism. All she did was offer a weak-tea excuse for her husband. Big deal.
Posted by: Y-not at October 13, 2011 06:30 PM (5H6zj)
And on Obama, he did kinda have an affair with another woman, and several men. So there's that.
I didn't know about the men, I didn't know about Vera what's her name.
However, let's face reality. Newt's marriages will be fair game, Obama's affair won't be
Posted by: Ben at October 13, 2011 06:30 PM (tEGzl)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:30 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Nancy Pelosi's AGW Couch at October 13, 2011 10:02 PM (vbh31) ----Yeah, but it would be OUR big lumpy ass!
Posted by: David of PA at October 13, 2011 06:31 PM (HUxtO)
Posted by: Peaches at October 13, 2011 10:24 PM (/ybwc)
Oh no you di'nt!
Posted by: Anita P at October 13, 2011 06:31 PM (ze29X)
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at October 13, 2011 06:32 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: spiker at October 13, 2011 06:32 PM (fZfKj)
True, and in an absolute political vacuum, it's irrelevant to the job as the CINC. We never like to acknowledge it but being President, if you're actually on the job, means you are putting family 2nd if not 50th because he's there to save us from bastards abroad and ourselves.
But, yes, voters even Americans are emotional creatures that vote as if they are voting for a boss, best buddy, and janitor.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 13, 2011 06:32 PM (kt1UQ)
Aw, nuts. I, and many others I'm sure, have been using this joke for a while. It reminded me of the scene in There's Something About Mary where the psycho's going to dethrone "8-Minute Abs" with his creation "7-Minute Abs."
But we all know if "9-9-9" became the law of the land, in 15 years or so, it will have become "45-35-15."
Posted by: Jingo at October 13, 2011 06:33 PM (mdwWR)
Posted by: Methos
..........
Jesus can be as important to you as you like. I'm just asking y'all to not force religion on anyone else, especially in a political race.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 13, 2011 06:33 PM (UTq/I)
Let's all pray there won't be photos involved.
Posted by: As If! at October 13, 2011 06:33 PM (piMMO)
If we're hoping for amendments to the Constitution, I personally would like to start with term limits. That would go a very long way toward solving our problems.
Posted by: Peaches at October 13, 2011 06:33 PM (/ybwc)
Two problems with this.
With what do we fund medicare and SS with? I haven't heard him say word one about reforming or eliminating either program.
Posted by: Ben at October 13, 2011 10:18 PM (tEGzl)
I agree with all your other criticisms of Cain, and I'm not sure I've heard him say anything about Medicare, but he has been pushing the Chilean model plan which is both the most ambitious and likely to succeed reform proposed, plus has good marketing like the 999. Who doesn't want a Chilean model?
Posted by: mugiwara at October 13, 2011 06:33 PM (KI/Ch)
Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord© sez F--- Nevada! at October 13, 2011 06:33 PM (Fs7RJ)
Let's see, does it have anything to do with eating and carpet?
Posted by: Samuel Adams at October 13, 2011 06:34 PM (lLxs/)
If we're hoping for amendments to the Constitution, I personally would like to start with term limits. That would go a very long way toward solving our problems.
Amen to that!
Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at October 13, 2011 06:35 PM (Z71Vg)
I don't support Perry out of loyalty either. He's simply the best of the lot.
He's the most electable conservative of the lot.
His biggest weakness is debates, but so what? He'll do better in one on one debates with SCOAMF. All he needs to do is hold his own.
People are puting a little too much emphasis on the value of debates. Obama didn't destroy McCain in the debates, George Bush didn't thrash Kerry in 2004, Gore in 2000 and McCain in the 1999 primaries, did he?
The economy is going to be terrible in 2012. Same as it is now. Perry will simply need to not screw up and I think he can do that in a one on one format. Also, all of the things that are considered weak positions in the primaries aren't negatives in the generals. Is Obama going to attack his immigration policy? His Gardisil policy? What is Obama going to attack Perry on exactly? Perry's record of job creation?
Perry is a good candidate. He excels at raising money, giving stump speeches and the the retail in person hand shaking crowd pleasing politics.
He can beat Obama and he's more conservative than Romney on EVERY issue.
Posted by: Ben at October 13, 2011 06:35 PM (tEGzl)
They're two representatives from flyover country, but fortunately not Texas.
Posted by: inquisitive at October 13, 2011 06:35 PM (sOXQX)
It's Ru Paul we hate.
Posted by: toby928©: Perrykrishna and general know-it-all at October 13, 2011 10:32 PM (GTbGH)
I thought it was Mrs. Paul's fish-sticks. I gotta not hang up early on the conference call.
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 13, 2011 06:35 PM (afrI6)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 13, 2011 10:33 PM (UTq/I)
Sweetie, it's just an expression. At least, that is how I used it. I'm an old testament kinda girl myself and strongly agree with what you said right there.
Posted by: Peaches at October 13, 2011 06:35 PM (/ybwc)
Posted by: xxxx at October 13, 2011 06:35 PM (1rA2i)
I like Chile. But if I eat too much it will like make my boobs look fat.
Posted by: Meghan McCain at October 13, 2011 06:36 PM (lLxs/)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:36 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: toby928©: Perrykrishna and general know-it-all at October 13, 2011 06:36 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: NukemHill at October 13, 2011 06:38 PM (7WLzC)
Posted by: Y-not at October 13, 2011 06:38 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:38 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: xxxx at October 13, 2011 10:35 PM (1rA2i)
Don't you have a cop car to shit on, or something?
Posted by: Breaker19 at October 13, 2011 06:38 PM (ze29X)
Perry actually did unveil a plan tonight, based on energy.
Which includes "I don't need Congress to make this happen".
Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 13, 2011 06:38 PM (PjVdx)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:39 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: xxxx at October 13, 2011 10:35 PM (1rA2i)
back away from the booze.
Posted by: willow at October 13, 2011 06:39 PM (h+qn8)
"Can Perry recover?"
If in 2 months its clear he can not we need to be decided on is:
"IS Cain presidential material this year?" (I think everyone is comfortable with him as VP)
If not =
"Is Romney acceptable"
If not =
We got like a month to come up with Plan B.
I really think all the personal attacks and whining both get in the way of these questions and are marginalizing those concerned about this quickly developing authoritarian state. Get your shit together this is real. Now lets figure out for certain if Perry can recover!
Posted by: Shiggz at October 13, 2011 06:39 PM (I9fXA)
225 Name one candidate that doesn't have flaws
Generic, this person keeps leading in the polls and has no known flaws.
Posted by: GMB at October 13, 2011 06:39 PM (wY55N)
Really? Sure took him a long time to figure that out. Not disagreeing with you, just lost a lot of respect for Christie. Jersey needs him, he needs to stay there.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at October 13, 2011 06:39 PM (lLxs/)
Yes. And he gave what sounds like a very good speech which was reported on by ABC of all places.
But we're talking about how offended we are that his wife whined about the campaign.
Jesus-h-Christ on a popsicle stick.
Posted by: Y-not at October 13, 2011 06:40 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Gen. Eric Republican, USAF ret at October 13, 2011 06:40 PM (GTbGH)
Newt has to demonstrate to me that he can LISTEN. I would love to see Newt in a Town Hall format. I know he has done them I just haven't seen them.
Is Newt a better leader than he was when he was essentially forced to resign in 1998? I realize that a large part of that push was due to questions about behavior and electoral losses, but there are still genuine conservatives on the Hill who dislike him because he had a hard time listening to other people. It was ultimately all about Newt. So has that changed?
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 13, 2011 06:40 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: willow at October 13, 2011 06:40 PM (h+qn8)
The second that fat fuck endorsed Mittens, he was dead to me.
Posted by: Peaches at October 13, 2011 06:41 PM (/ybwc)
Well, yeah, but we didn't know he would crap out so badly during the debates. He was billed as a GREAT debater... NOW they tell us that debates aren't really his strong point. And it's just not the debates... the way he's running his campaign is messed up. Why is he waiting to start an effective ad campaign to counter the inevitable Media caricature of him, and to try to ameliorate the debate damage?
His campaign and performance has been half-baked. His debate performances sucked because he hasn't spent at least two years studying the issues. I think he just wasn't ready to run for President, because he did it on a spur of the moment - and it shows. Chris Christie new you can't just do a presidential campaign on the fly, without running into the pratfalls Perry has. That's why he didn't run, and he was right not to.
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 10:36 PM (niZvt)
Excellent analysis. Just a few more thousand book sales and it's a wrap.
Posted by: Breaker19 at October 13, 2011 06:41 PM (ze29X)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:41 PM (niZvt)
---
OK, let's say it was all a big plan. So what?
Look, when Scary Perry entered the race we knew he would be painted as a Bible-thumping wacko. And that certainly has been part of the portrayal. It's not the explanation for him not maintaining his lead in the polls, but it is true. From day 1 the folks I know who were Romney supporters were whispering that he'd have a Mormon problem and surprise surprise what happens... except that it wasn't Perry's pastor and not done at his introduction and not someone from his "camp" as was reported.
Her comments just don't rate in my book. She didn't smear any of the candidates (did she?). She didn't hurt conservatism. All she did was offer a weak-tea excuse for her husband. Big deal.
Here's the big deal - Men still elect presidents in this country. Like it or not, if you don't get the majority of males to vote for you, you will lose the election. So, when men see Perry's wife out there trying to defend him, it makes him look weak. And, he's done nothing in the debates to indicate he would be a strong leader. So, in my opinion, this little speech Mrs. Perry put on today will be very damaging to him. Sorry to say it - I had high hopes for Perry, but not anymore. I think he's done.
Posted by: Racist, Right-Wing Terrorist or Tea Party Member for short at October 13, 2011 06:42 PM (PIPAS)
Posted by: xxxx at October 13, 2011 10:35 PM (1rA2i)
Kyrios epitimaō soi
Posted by: The Robot Devil at October 13, 2011 06:42 PM (afrI6)
so she's a little childish, just have someone tell her to be pleasant and don't whine because Its going to be a Hard job and they Both will be detested by half the country for a minumum of 4 years
Posted by: willow at October 13, 2011 06:42 PM (h+qn8)
Fair enough. Then there's still hope that you can see my boobehs. (reference to the earlier thread)
Posted by: Y-not at October 13, 2011 06:43 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:44 PM (niZvt)
Newt, Mitt, Used Car salesman.
Fast talkers, know how to play to an audience, tell you what you want to hear, and in the end empty your pocket and fuck you over.
Newt is tearing it up at the debates. Why? Because he's attacking the media? Well gee whiz I wonder if he's playing to some sort of audience that is natually predisposed to hate the media?
I've enjoyed Newt at the debates, but he's intentionally giving us red meat. You can't forget what policies he has supported, his many failures and overreaches as Speaker of the House, his global warming stance, his back stabbing of Paul Ryan, etc.
Being entertained at debates as one thing, casting a vote for him is something completely different.
Posted by: Ben at October 13, 2011 06:44 PM (tEGzl)
Well we've got to defend ourselves from the encroaching alien secular urban culture somehow.
Also, I'm pretty sure the original 'get right with Jesus' comment wasn't meant in a religious sense, unless Newt's had an awakening I missed. It seemed more of a sort with the "come to Jesus moment" which is generally used interchangeably with the notion of "getting the clue" in the most severest sense, such as a stupidity-induced brush with death (and make no mistake about it, this country is at death's door, it's just that the nature of economics is that it chugs along by inertia until all of the sudden, the bottom drops out of everything).
Posted by: Methos, wearing a Glenn Beck t-shirt at October 13, 2011 06:45 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Jones at October 13, 2011 06:45 PM (8sCoq)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:46 PM (niZvt)
Doesn't matter. He is much more intellectual than anyone in the field on either side. So that means that the LSM will eviscerate him, (including Fox), and the sheep will listen to them. In other words, he doesn't have a chance in hell. I don't care if he pulled 236 people out of a burning 747 by himself that just crashed and saved them all. The media will just report that one of the passengers lived, but lost a leg so then why wasn't Newt faster in responding to the crash.
Just like Obama will get a pass even if he is caught sodomizing, on video, an entire classroom of second graders. It's the fucking way it is.
Posted by: Samuel Adams at October 13, 2011 06:48 PM (lLxs/)
Kyrios epitimaō soi
Vox Emtpor, tired of speaking the truth?
Don't bitch, I know what I did
Posted by: xxxx at October 13, 2011 06:48 PM (1rA2i)
As a marketeer, my first impulse was to bristle at the 9-9-9 plan because, while I am in marketing, I also work side by side with finance and yield folks. One of the first red flags for us is when we see clean, round numbers or numbers which are too clever by half. It usually indicates that someone at the top of the food chain had a clever idea that everyone else will have to back into somehow. The results are never good.
My very first impulse was to question the REAL numbers behind 9-9-9 because it IS a marketing gimmick, although a very transparent gimmick at that.
Posted by: As If! at October 13, 2011 06:48 PM (piMMO)
Stock up on Kleenex.
Actually, as I recall, you boasted you could hit the ceiling fan, didn't you?
Posted by: Y-not at October 13, 2011 06:49 PM (5H6zj)
Baby Jesus
Posted by: xxxx at October 13, 2011 10:44 PM (1rA2i)
Not a natural born US citizen. Also didn't reach the minimum age requirement prior to ascension.
Posted by: Methos at October 13, 2011 06:51 PM (sOXQX)
Also, his FB posting says: "
Posted by: Tami-Cardinals! at October 13, 2011 06:52 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 13, 2011 06:53 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: The Q at October 13, 2011 06:53 PM (CJIam)
Just like Obama will get a pass even if he is caught sodomizing, on video, an entire classroom of second graders. It's the fucking way it is.
All of our candidates will receive that type of treatment. I'm asking about voting for Newt in a primary. He is the ideal politician in that he is brilliant and a political animal, but he lacks a moral compass and his failures as a man and a leader led to his resignation. I'd be willing to give him a second chance if I saw a change in his deportment and personality but I'm not seeing those things.
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 13, 2011 06:54 PM (d6QMz)
This
Posted by: As If! at October 13, 2011 06:55 PM (piMMO)
FK, we are doomed
Posted by: xxxx at October 13, 2011 06:55 PM (1rA2i)
Posted by: spiker at October 13, 2011 06:56 PM (fZfKj)
The report I read on his speech (I think it was today) was very promising.
I do wish his campaign would post his upcoming appearances. They did at first but they don't seem to any longer. One of the memes his opponents are spinning is that he's Fred 2.0 and not campaigning hard. I know that's not true, but it's hard to refute without being able to point to his travel schedule. I really had to dig to find where he was this week.
He's not getting the best coverage right now, so he really needs to push out his appearances, not rely on the media to cover them.
Posted by: Y-not at October 13, 2011 07:01 PM (5H6zj)
I'm here, man! That couch shit - forget about it. I was just there to get a free blowjob from the nastiest bitch ever. Tell me you wouldn't rub one out in her face if you had the chance. Admit it. You would.
Posted by: Newt Gingrich at October 13, 2011 07:01 PM (usXZy)
“Kevin Seifert, a spokesman for Ryan, clarified late Thursday that the budget committee chairman was not endorsing Cain or the specifics of the 9-9-9 plan, but rather that he loved that it was becoming ‘a starting point for a larger conversation on tax reform."
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 13, 2011 07:01 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Y-not at October 13, 2011 07:03 PM (5H6zj)
Too late. Everyone already spun that Ryan endorsed it and that Barbour said he'd vote for Cain.
The fix is in.
Posted by: Y-not at October 13, 2011 07:03 PM (5H6zj)
Dude you really care about his infidelities? I don't care, personally. This country is facing a shit storm and Newt is the man. He knows the problems, he knows how to work the House/Senate. He knows everyone up there. And he excellent at explaining his positions. He knows foreign policy, domestic policy and tax policy. So he doinks his secretary. And divorces his wife on her death bed. I mean, in the scheme of things; I want someone that cruel up in Washington who will tell people to shut the fuck up and listen to him.
Posted by: Newt Gingrich at October 13, 2011 07:04 PM (usXZy)
These goddamn RINO Repugs are really efn askin for a third party conservative to blow their play house down! Fuckin Mitt and Rubio!
It doesn't look good on its face but the story comes from anonymous sources, and we know how reliable they are. I want to see more evidence.
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 13, 2011 07:05 PM (d6QMz)
The fix is in.
I don't see why he ever had to issue a clarification when his intent was clear from the article (as opposed to the headline). Ryan has long been a promoter of the flat tax and he reiterated that along with his reasons for praising Cain earlier today.
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 13, 2011 07:08 PM (d6QMz)
Mitt has been following Palin, Ryan etal for months. He's the clean up guy. Where they dropped the bombs, he's come in behind as the guy to profit from it. At no point, when Obama was popular, was he out there leading any charge against him. Fuck Romney.
Romney, so opposed to Obamacare was he that he said nothing the entire time it was debated. About how it wasn't appropriate at the federal level. Nothing. Fuck him.
In fact, Romney still isn't leading on anything against Obama. Just meaningless platitudes about how he'll do better or whatever. Fuck him.
Posted by: Newt Gingrich at October 13, 2011 07:09 PM (usXZy)
Thanks for posting that. Nice pix!
Geez I wish he'd come to Utah.
Posted by: Y-not at October 13, 2011 07:10 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: poljunkie at October 13, 2011 07:10 PM (XuiJf)
I'm not merely speaking of his infidelities. Again, Newt is the ideal politician but that's the reason why he had such a difficult time as Speaker of the House. He could over-think things and his ego eventually got in the way of progress. Other lawmakers (including some current conservative veteran congressmen) started hating him because he thought he was the smartest man in the room, which led him to ignore other opinions, even on little things. You can't do that when you're President of the United States and I want to know whether Newt learned his lesson.
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 13, 2011 07:14 PM (d6QMz)
I didn't mean to say Ryan was wrong or anything, just that the damage was done.
It was the headline that did it. Ultimately, though, it may not matter as much because he's still not allowed to endorse anyone with this fundraising role of his. So he can continue to positively comment Perry and Cain or whoever else without making it official.
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 13, 2011 07:19 PM (d6QMz)
I dunno about this either. I think Newt thinks he is smartest person in the room. Hell, it's DC. He probably is the smartest person up there. That's not a huge task though. Look at the mental midgets you are comparing him to.
Newt has been blowing up the debates. He's been awesome in every single one of them. He's on point; he's detailed. He doesn't attack everyone else - he goes after his target (Obama). He doesn't dodge questions. After debates, he's awesome on TV with interviews.
I love Cain but I think 9-9-9 is going to blow up in our face. Sooner or later. People are going to realize its a tax increase on 48% of Americans, while rich people get a tax cut. You cannot give democrats that sort of easy talking point - especially when it's your centerpiece.
Right now, I'm Cain or Newt. Romney is a chicken fucker. I'll vote for him in the general, if it comes to that. I pray it won't.
Posted by: Newt 2012 at October 13, 2011 07:22 PM (usXZy)
Newt has been blowing up the debates. He's been awesome in every single one of them. He's on point; he's detailed. He doesn't attack everyone else - he goes after his target (Obama). He doesn't dodge questions. After debates, he's awesome on TV with interviews.
My primary concern is that he'd return to micromanaging. I recognize that presidents always make the final decision but they have advisers for a reason. That's my primary question, is whether he'd now be able to avoid the desire to micromanage things. What I'm seeing thus far indicates he (still) can't.
Posted by: Miss'80s at October 13, 2011 07:32 PM (d6QMz)
I guess Rubio goes in the bin with Christie as could've-beens-that-didn't-pan-out.
Posted by: Methos at October 13, 2011 08:27 PM (sOXQX)
He'd be a damned good debater, and especially hard for Obama to prep for. After all: nobody knows WHAT the hell will come out of Newt's mouth.
You know, I'm starting to think he'd be a good VP.
Posted by: Entropy at October 13, 2011 08:44 PM (dn7cw)
So Rubios chief of staff and former Romney campaigner pushed to have the Floridah primary pushed up?
I've warned people that he is still something of an unknown. I see signs he could go either way.
Rand Paul however? Still awesome.
Posted by: Entropy at October 13, 2011 08:45 PM (dn7cw)
With what do we fund medicare and SS with? I haven't heard him say word one about reforming or eliminating either program. And while I am not eliminating them or reforming them at least, I acknowledge that while they do exist, they need to be paid for. So we'll completely cut contributions and ________? How do you fund it if you're not eliminating it? I get the idea that revenue will probably increase over the long haul due to the tax decrease, but that takes time. What do we do in the short term 5-10 years? More importantly, where does the money to pay for these programs come? The General fund?
It sounds snappy and easy, but it's fraught with real problems
Posted by: Ben at October 13, 2011 10:18 PM (tEGzl)
Yes, it comes out of the General fund and as such increases the opportunity for waste, pork, and corruption a hundred fold. Also, the 9-9-9 boondangle is just phase 2. The third phase is a 30% tax on all goods.(not sure if it includes services). Not something to look forward to with a smile. Cain is dangerous,..even more so than Mitt.
Posted by: long toss at October 13, 2011 08:50 PM (/bkko)
Posted by: Entropy at October 14, 2011 12:44 AM (dn7cw)"
I've been thinking that for a while.
Perry/Gingrich or Cain/Gingrich would be awesome against Obama/Biden.
A leader against a poser and a genius against a moron.
Posted by: Dustin at October 13, 2011 09:01 PM (fF625)
No, no, that was h8, h8, h8, like, you know, racist hate, or something like that. Um... maybe not....
#13 Posted by: tcn
What's stopping 8-8-8 from being turned into 9-9-9 by a future congress?
#14 Posted by: Cain's Ideas-Bankrupt Opponents and their Flunkies
If you turn it on its side it's oo, oo, oo.
#18 Posted by: Michelle Bachmann
But if you turn an 8 upside down it is still an 8!!! A 9 turns into a 6.
See, it is better already!!!
#21 Posted by: Killerdog
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Posted by: Miss'80s
That's as far as any "endorsement" should go, since the devil's always in the pox details that blanket endorsements are meant to hide.
Come back tomorrow and count yourself lucky to be granted an audience. The Great Oz has spoken! Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
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