Straw polls, Godfather's, Pillsbury.

Wow, Huckabee got a mention in response to this breaking story.

Now I'm really suspicious.

Posted by: Marybel at September 24, 2011 06:00 PM (Hic+o)

You're right about that. This is going to force all of these guys to step up their game. What are they going to do, pick on Cain?

Maybe they will start telling us why we should vote for them instead of against the other guy.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 24, 2011 06:05 PM (UlUS4)

===

Yep.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 24, 2011 06:05 PM (UlUS4)

Would like to think that is enough, unfortunately, America hasn't been in the habit of electing anything other than ivy league elites to the Presidency for a long time now...

Don't be fooled by feigned momentum.

Ahem.... Perry's got more juice and is from an anchor state. He's got big money behind him.

Posted by: Paul at September 24, 2011 06:09 PM (DsHk0)

The Florida straw poll has picked either the president or the nominee since they have been doing it. That's what I heard on the news so it could be right or wrong.

Posted by: jjshaka at September 24, 2011 06:10 PM (es2m2)

Maybe but the fact that he sucked ass hard at the debates and still came out a point ahead of Mitt tells me he's still in the game.  At least I hope so because I hate Mitt Romney's elitist, Dem-lite guts. 

Huntsman.  Get the Fevah!!!

Huntsman could earmark his 2% or prorate it.

Kratos, which route would be more viable in a purely scientific model?

Posted by: robtr at September 24, 2011 06:12 PM (MtwBb)

We own his ass.

Posted by: Marybel at September 24, 2011 06:15 PM (Hic+o)

< yeah, but you need an anvil.

I feel a Stamps dot com commerical coming on.

#38

I think Vic is the baby in question.  The poll shows the RINOs aren't selling.  But this won't stop the legacy RINOs and media from trying to sell the RINOs to us.

Cain is a good man.  Anyone but Romney or Perry and we can crush Obama and ghis Marxettes.

Huntsman.  Get the Fevah!!!!

Damn straight!  He did twice as well as Miss Michelle.

When 'Molon Labe' shows up to comment.... we done got a party.

To celebrate - We'll take half anchovies and half extra cheese... and on the other half, Ron Paul wants pesto.

Posted by: real joe at September 24, 2011 06:12 PM (w7Lv+)

statistically?  yes.  A good sample is around 1K.

Huntsman.  Get the Fevah!!!!

Damn straight!  He did twice as well as Miss Michelle.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 24, 2011 06:19 PM (0DGtF)

huntsman. lol.  He's in the same shoebox as kucinich.

Hey, it's been about 2 minutes since we've had an update on what HA has up and what they're saying.

Are we slipping?

  Thinking that what you saw of Perry in those debates wasn't the bona fide man, but someone who was following a script that he had no chance of understanding. And I believe that was done as a pander to the "moderates" and indies, so as not to give the impression (as is seen by the establishment) that Perry is a firebreathing extremist. May be wrong , but I'd bet a chunk on that.

Huntsman could earmark his 2% or prorate it.

Kratos, which route would be more viable in a purely scientific model?

I don't think you mean "earmark", but I'm drawing a blank as to what you actually mean.

But let's make the proposition moot and have one of the front-runners from this poll pledge to make Huntsman Ambassador to China in their Administrations.  It might make Huntsman happy and besides, he can't do that much harm as an Ambassador. 

I'm surprised Santorum did as well as he did.  Perhaps he picked up a prodigious amount of sane former Bachmann supporters? 

Posted by: MaxMBJ at September 24, 2011 06:21 PM (deaac)

< Now this my friends is well written snark combined with heavy sarc rolled in double entendre, ending in pure word play.

Well done sir.

Posted by: robtr at September 24, 2011 06:25 PM (MtwBb)

heh, kinda cute.

Good for Cain but straw polls are meaningless.  Ron Paul winning all the straw polls has shown that  Perhaps now he hangs on longer than Santorum, Huntsman, Gingrich, or even Bachman. 

The race is still Romney vs Perry.  A few weeks ago I thought a Perry/Romney ticket was a possibility.  Now it looks like Romney/Perry. We'll see

Posted by: John McCain at September 24, 2011 06:22 PM (jeLTI)

Yes we can! Yes we can! Yes we can! Yes we can!

Posted by: Anony at September 24, 2011 06:27 PM (Yigvc)

Comment of Dumbass

The race is still Romney vs Perry.  A few weeks ago I thought a Perry/Romney ticket was a possibility.  Now it looks like Romney/Perry. We'll see

Posted by: notfeelinggoodabout12 at September 24, 2011 06:27 PM (GkYyh)

I don't think Perry will go for a VP slot. If he doesn't win the nomination, I think he'll just go back to TX.

Posted by: flyonthewall at September 24, 2011 06:30 PM (gmi2T)

well done, sir.

#127:

Another campaign slogan:
Vote for a 100% black man this time!

-------------------------

Yep, Cain would be our first black President.

_{sorry Bill}

If Sarah Palin has genuinely been undecided about running up to this point.  This will bring her in the race.

If she doesn't get it in, it's a safe bet that she hasn't intended to do so for months, and has simply kept this speculation going for attention and balloons.

Posted by: Margaret Carlson, Spinster Scribbler at September 24, 2011 06:31 PM (Lt/Za)

Hippies will always think that conservatives hate black people.  That's because you're stupid.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at September 24, 2011 06:33 PM (deaac)

When he had his big announcement, around the time that Scott Walker's balls were kicking ass in WI, I joked about a Cain/Walker ticket sewing up the senior vote.

No shit?

I'll take Cain over Perry in a heartbeat.

Cain was supposedly unelectable.

The race is still Romney vs Perry.  A few weeks ago I thought a Perry/Romney ticket was a possibility.  Now it looks like Romney/Perry. We'll see

Posted by: notfeelinggoodabout12 at September 24, 2011 06:27 PM (GkYyh)

I don't think Perry will go for a VP slot. If he doesn't win the nomination, I think he'll just go back to TX.

The VP pick is Rubio, unless he doesn't want it.  Smart, articulate, solidly conservative, likeable, from the swing-state of Florida....either Perry or Romney would be foolish not to select him.

Posted by: robtr at September 24, 2011 06:25 PM (MtwBb

I'm runnin with this one.

Posted by:  at September 24, 2011 06:33 PM (6IV8T)

I'm a Steeler fan, but I always root for the underdog.  I've never my life EVER rooted for another team... but, the lions have been so beat down.  So lost.  Barry Sanders didn't get a ring. I'm a lions fan (until you play my Steelers).

The VP pick is Rubio, unless he doesn't want it. Smart, articulate, solidly conservative, likeable, from the swing-state of Florida....either Perry or Romney would be foolish not to select him.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 24, 2011 06:37 PM (0DGtF

Seriously let it go man ain't happening

  Have to admit, this is getting downright entertaining.

I like Cain, in the primaries, I'd rather vote for Cain over Romnery should Perry not improve as the debates go along.

Cain, and Gingrich impressed me the most in very succintantly describing conservative limited govt positions.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at September 24, 2011 06:39 PM (QKKT0)

Can you kindly go fuck yourself?  I hate hippies.  And I REALLY fucking hate hippies that drop the race card.

Wedon't need another professional politician.  We don't need another legacy RINO.

Good for Cain.  Maybe saner minds will prevail.  Bury the Perry and Romney at the country club.

Posted by: MaxMBJ at September 24, 2011 06:39 PM (deaac)

are you a fucking dumbass or what?

So what happened?

Cain has been middling to low in all the polls and now he shoots to the top in Florida, no less.

Did I miss something somewhere?

Do not, I repeat, do NOT believe anything that comes from the Texas Tribune.  The Trib was started by a Democrat operative and does not have ONE person on their staff that is a conservative.  Texans know this.  The rest of then nation needs to learn it.

Hell, the Trib even has a staff member who writes love stories about convicted murderers, claiming they are sooooo  good that they need to be spared the needle for their crimes.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at September 24, 2011 06:45 PM (QKKT0)

there's an element to sarcasm... it's the part where you make the statement, tongue-in-cheek, so that the audience or the receiver gets the fact that you are no, in fact, an idiot.  You missed that part.

Herman Cain is a good man and is a businessman who understands our problems.

I would be honored to vote for him.

I am getting sick of slick Romney.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 24, 2011 06:46 PM (c0A3e)

I've been off in WoW in between destroying the dreams of my physics freshmen.  Haven't played SCII in about 6 months.  I need to duel the wife with a bet of oral on the line... she sucks(!) at SC so I think I'm good.

Posted by: ontherocks at September 24, 2011 06:45 PM (HBqDo)

For sure but I got virtual whiplash from this.

At this stage I'd like to see it streamlined to those four candidates.  The Ron Paul people will go nuclear apeshit if that happens though.

Posted by: flyonthewall at September 24, 2011 06:52 PM (R9Sum)

Cain/West '12

It sure would be nice to have a President who was one of us for a change.  Average citizen and not a politician. A  patriotic conservative American with a sense of decency and a good work ethic who knows the value of a dollar. 

To this day, I've never regretted voting for Perot in '92.

"Huntsman and his wife are the political Tareq and Michelle Salahi."

LOL. Too funny.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 24, 2011 06:59 PM (c0A3e)

I really need to get on that order of Sta-Bil for the 150 gallons of gasoline I have.  Good on ammo, food and water, just need gas for the genny.

Posted by: elliot m at September 24, 2011 07:01 PM (zPich)

huntsman.  LMAO. 

LOSER

Cain/West '12

Posted by: ErikW at September 24, 2011 06:57 PM (LYyq7)

West / Cain I'd vote for...

Herman Cain is OK... but does not inspire... I don't see him as a dynamic Leader in foreign Policy who will be feared by our Enemys...

IMO however, a President West would be a F' You to our enemys...

Posted by: MaxMBJ at September 24, 2011 07:05 PM (deaac)

I'm quick on the trigger tonight. sorry man.

Posted by: the rest of the world at September 24, 2011 06:52 PM (k1rwm)

Beat it curious / mary / catgirl.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 24, 2011 06:58 PM (2f1Rs)

The only person this is good for is Herman Cain, anyone trying to spin this as good for Romney is delusional.

Posted by: Frank G at September 24, 2011 07:07 PM (1rPxL)

I don't like perry either.  Think that if he gets elected we've got 4 years of bleh business as usual.  Dude is a career politician.

We need a president to come in, kick down the door, tear ass and not take names.  That's not Perry.  That's not mittens. 

really? wow..........

for serials. Nothing but Rs ever since on presidential ballots.

By the way, how'd we end up nominating Bob Dole in '96? Was it like 2008 -- we know we're going to lose so we don't put in our top talent?

Congrats to Herman Cain.  By far the nicest man in this race.  He wins the "want to have a beer with competition" by a mile.

But I'm most pleased by who came in last. Hopefully this is one of the last nails in this Crazy Train's coffin.  I've seen doped up club girls who were more grounded.

Anyway this made me hungry.  Time for a large pepperoni some cheesy bread and a two liter of coke.

9-9-9!!!!!

Posted by: MaxMBJ at September 24, 2011 07:08 PM (deaac)

from the "huggy bears" I'm guessin you're not a guy so...  belay my "sorry man" and replace it with "sorry darlin"

Posted by: elliot m at September 24, 2011 07:09 PM (zPich)

How about Cain/Rubio (I know, spare me the lectures, but he might) and West as national security advisor? And then throw in Lieberman as UN Ambassador and you will have a lot of liv heads exploding and gain momentum with a whole bunch voting blocks

Herman Cain is OK... but does not inspire... I don't see him as a dynamic Leader in foreign Policy who will be feared by our Enemys...

IMO however, a President West would be a F' You to our enemys...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 24, 2011 07:06 PM (NtXW4)

Cain is an intelligent businessman, something this country desperately needs. West could provide the proper advice regarding military matters.

And then there's Bolton at SecState and Ted Nugent at DHS but then I'm getting silly but kinda not.

Posted by: CDR M at September 24, 2011 07:10 PM (Ybl9g)

That's spin by the Romney bots. He didn't have enough votes to give it to Cain for one thing unless his bots want us to believe that all of Cains votes were Romney votes.

If he was playing for 3rd place I would have to say he is pretty dumb.

How about Cain/Rubio (I know, spare me the lectures, but he might) and West as national security advisor? And then throw in Lieberman as UN Ambassador and you will have a lot of liv heads exploding and gain momentum with a whole bunch voting blocks

Posted by: Ma Bell at September 24, 2011 07:12 PM (H/MnC)

whew, talk about crashing coctail circuit  parties, and imagine minds blown at the U.N

Yeah, me neither, although my life did mirror a Cheech and Chong movie at the time.

I was mid 20s at the time. Right messages (some of them, anyway) but wrong candidate. What we need this time around is someone who knows that Mexican-Americans don't like to just get into gang fights, they like music and flowers ....

It's looking more and more as though Perry is a dud.

He came into the race an odds on favorite, and since then has has fallen flat on his face in three straight debates.

The nomination was pitched to him under hand, and he whiffed.

If Chris Christie enters the race, he will become the next president of the United States. If he doesn't, we may as well run Romney (shiver), who looks as good as Perry on TV in a suit and can at least speak in complete sentences.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 24, 2011 07:16 PM (2f1Rs)

So you are saying getting beat by Cain worse than Perry did and finishing 3rd in one of premier states is good for him?

Dang maybe he should have tried to knock Bachman out of last place.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 24, 2011 07:15 PM (ZDUD4)

And why not? Odickbag gets to name random Commie douchetools to his Czar cabinet (whatever the fuck that is) so why can't we stack up in our favor?

I'm all about playing dirty.

Cain knows that he doesn't know everything, and is willing to admit it and learn. That lack of arrogance is a big plus. He knows he's going to make mistakes, but he also has admitted and shown he's willing to learn from them. And he has enough business experience in govt and private to know what direction this country needs to go in.

He's not in it for power,  that's a big plus. I like Perry for the same reason, but with Perry's thursday showing, its undecided how he would fare.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 24, 2011 07:19 PM (ZDUD4)

I wouldn't vote for crispy creme. ever.  He's a shitbag.  Literally.

Well, I wasn't trying to spin as good news for Romney but of course it is.

So Perry, (as most of us agreed including me) had a disastrous debate performance and still beat Mittens.....

Good news...hmmm....

Posted by: MaxMBJ at September 24, 2011 07:15 PM (deaac)

It's why I love him.  Herman Cain is a class act, and it's not by happenstance, it's by experience.  He's a true leader.

Posted by: AD at September 24, 2011 07:23 PM (3v1zf)

Ok, so explain to me again how that get's Romney out of a very distant 3rd place?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 24, 2011 07:23 PM (ZDUD4)

The voters are "rangering up"

Not a time for p******s.  Our nation is at stake.  Time to toe the line.

Posted by: elliot m at September 24, 2011 07:23 PM (zPich)

oh hai, troll.  fuck off.

Ok, so explain to me again how that get's Romney out of a very distant 3rd place?

Posted by: robtr at September 24, 2011 07:25 PM (MtwBb)

I don't think you want to bet on the career politicians.

Who, then? A proven business leader? "We'd like you to throw your hat in the ring for this position that opening up soon. The income statement shows a (cough)illion of red ink every year and the balance sheet reflects some debt. There's a board of 535 directors, about a half-dozen of whom are sane, maybe, but you won't answer to them; they're mainly focused on our by-laws. The job comes with a car, a helicopter, a jet, and we throw in room and board. That's for your family, too. Pffff, what else? You're allowed to have pets."

Posted by: Y-not at September 24, 2011 07:25 PM (5H6zj)

If you have to return to a core vision, maybe it never was a core vision in the first place

"Crispy Creme Christie"

LOL, that's funny. Did Levin use this? That is too funny.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 24, 2011 07:26 PM (2f1Rs)

I can see Romney having that arrogance but I can't see him getting Cains votes if something happens to Cain.

Again Michelle Bachman must be tickled pink if losing in Florida by large margins is good for a candidate.

The Florida strawpoll is a bit more sophisticated than Iowa. These people are activists, the ones that work to influence people and get out the vote.

It's bad news for Perry, but it's worse news for Romney.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka at September 24, 2011 07:29 PM (bs3JI)

If you ever post here again? with the bold and the red?  I'm going to IP trace Ace to his house, then IP trace you to your house, then I'm going to crawl in your bedroom window with a CQC-7 and murder you.

Asshole.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 24, 2011 06:54 PM (uIz80)

Ya think Romney just threw that out there to screw with people?  If he seriously thought he could take it, there's no way in hell he'd give his votes away.

Straw polls are when you give out a bunch of jack to people to buy straws with your name and deposit them in various receptacles. What a waste.

But seriously, I think the reason Cain won was his blockbuster new proposal:

TWO NEW TOPPINGS.

Posted by: Jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka at September 24, 2011 07:29 PM (bs3JI)

It's all right.
You're in your happy place.
It's serene, and no one wants to hurt you.

It's bad news for Perry, but it's worse news for Romney.

Considering that Romney one of the two top contenders, and Perry is his chief rival....I really don't think so.  I think it's very good news for him.

Romney wasn't really involved in this straw poll.  Perry was, and he tanked.

Great day for Cain. Awful day for Perry.

Fair enough.  All good points.  I know you are a Romney guy, more or less, as I understand it.  I don't hate Mittens, would enthusiastically vote for him against Owaffle.  I'm not in love with Perry either.

However...this is September.  The big boy debates start in a couple months and someone will be the "anti Mitt, Tea Party guy".  It probably will still be Perry barring a Christie run.  Lets see how Mittens handles front runner status and constant attacks from the newly liberated, more conservative underdog.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 24, 2011 07:26 PM (2f1Rs)

I was going to say something negative but I decided not to because I don't want to be like you.

Posted by: AD at September 24, 2011 07:27 PM (3v1zf)

Yeah understand the strategery. I think playing to lose in Florida is dumber than a box of rox.

Who cares about 3rd place? Primary voters, they don't like losers. 

!!!flavor of the week!!!/someone else!!!

Posted by: elliot m at September 24, 2011 07:23 PM (zPich)

oh hai, troll.  fuck off.

Posted by: tangonine at September 24, 2011 07:27 PM (x3YFz)

Posted by: tangonine at September 24, 2011 07:32 PM (x3YFz)

Yeah, thanks, just spit coffee all over my key board.  LOL times a gazillion!

#385

I suggest that when the istas wander in, we all agree to refer to their savior as Lisa Ann.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 24, 2011 07:39 PM (hiMsy)

That's because he's a heartless bastard, everyone in Florida knows it. All he got was the Build a Fence Around Florida vote.

!!!flavor of the week!!!/someone else!!!

Posted by: CAC at September 24, 2011 07:40 PM (829z3)

That's bullshit and you know it.

Cain and West are by far the best examples of honest Conservatism that we have right now.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 24, 2011 07:39 PM (hiMsy)

That's bullshit and you know it.

Cain and West are by far the best examples of honest Conservatism that we have right now.

Posted by: ErikW at September 24, 2011 07:44 PM (LYyq7)

The crowd which really, really doesn't want to vote for Slick Willard is trying to find someone with momentum as an alternative, and the sizzle from Perry is already fading.

I like Cain. But this sudden "omgz CAIN!" was the same wave of oooh and aaah we saw a month ago with Perry.

I'd like him to have some sustainable momentum, especially since Perry is sputtering.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 24, 2011 07:37 PM (ZDUD4)

like what?  I'm a loose cannon.  It's really a miracle I can evade the doctors and chew through the straps long enough to post.

Romney could walk on water and the local malcontents woulsd swear he drained the pond first.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 24, 2011 07:39 PM (hiMsy)

Well that would be because someone asked Romney if he did walk on water and he gave a five minute rambling answer that contained niether yes or no and did not clarify if he did walk on water or not.

Matt Kibbe, the sideburned leader of Freedom Works which is probably the largest and most organized Tea Party groups

All good points Jack.

And what's with that dude's burns?  I keep expecting him to come out in support for a Marty Van Buren/ Chester A. Aurthur ticket.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 24, 2011 07:45 PM (2f1Rs)

Uhmm Romney is only at 20.8 and Perry is 28.2. Who needs that 5.6% worse and who is more likely to get it along with the 7.7% Bachman has?

Romney is not in any position to be losing.

I'd like him to have some sustainable momentum, especially since Perry is sputtering.

Posted by: CAC at September 24, 2011 07:46 PM (829z3)

I, for one, am not 100% convinced that Perry can't salvage this thing.  Fuck the debates.  He's right about the fence, it's the stupidest idea ever.  Fuck his "have a heart" bullshit stance on illegals -- and that is my major hot-button issue, but this country simply does not have the will to rectify the problem and anybody who tells you different is full of shit.  I still like him and I'm hoping he can rehabilitate himself.  It's very early days still.  At this point, we are all just a bunch of good ol' boys makin' noise.

Posted by: willow at September 24, 2011 07:52 PM (h+qn

I do agree on that.

Until of course the anti-Cain crowd will find something he did at the Fed or some stale pizza he sold or Bachmann starts screaming that Herman Cain was responsible for the Jack in the Box outbreak.

You know, the typical idiotic ramblings.

There is no Cain vote. He's at 5.6% in the RCP average.

Uh, not to go all Shawshank Redemption, but are you being obtuse?

This number is before his big performance/momentum coming out of Florida.

And no I don't think he will win the nomination but cmon, that stat is now close to irrelevant.

I am curious as to how Cain will handle his new found big MO. 

#431

He starts polling in the double-digits and I'd say he's found some mo. After this, who knows?

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 24, 2011 07:37 PM (ZDUD4)

like what?  I'm a loose cannon.  It's really a miracle I can evade the doctors and chew through the straps long enough to post.

Posted by: tangonine at September 24, 2011 07:47 PM (x3YFz)

And I am definitely NOT the person you want to think of as one of  your favorite posters here.  I'm given to bouts of drunkenness and whoring, and not someone you'd want to play cards with.  I'll cheat.

Romney and Perry are both in MI competing for it.

Romney better take that one for obvious reasons.

I like Cain. But this sudden "omgz CAIN!" was the same wave of oooh and aaah we saw a month ago with Perry.

I'd like him to have some sustainable momentum, especially since Perry is sputtering.

Posted by: CAC at September 24, 2011 07:46 PM (829z3)

Okay, but don't forget, Cain made waves when he entered in the first place. He has name recognition although you probably won't hear about it in the MSM.

Posted by: Waterhouse at September 24, 2011 07:54 PM (xeUFI)

He has to write stuff like that for Time.

He can only write so much for Three-Legged-Cat-Raper's Quarterly

Posted by: DrewM. at September 24, 2011 07:45 PM (2f1Rs)

Uhmm Romney is only at 20.8 and Perry is 28.2. Who needs that 5.6% worse and who is more likely to get it along with the 7.7% Bachman has?

Romney is not in any position to be losing.

Posted by: robtr at September 24, 2011 07:51 PM (MtwBb)

I'm not voting for mittens. so count me in the not 20.8%

I am curious as to how Cain will handle his new found big MO. 

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 24, 2011 07:53 PM (WCjuw)

I think we will be hearing the number 9 a lot in the coming weeks.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 24, 2011 07:49 PM (ZDUD4)

I had to scroll up to see this.  You Navy guys aren't so bad!  You can spot a douche a mile away.  Yeah, that's not right.

He starts polling in the double-digits and I'd say he's found some mo. After this, who knows?

Yeah.  If he can have a good solid couple weeks sounding smart avoiding sticking his foot in his mouth.....well, who knows?

Stranger things have happened.  One thing he has going for him is he's by far the most likable man in the race.  Everyone here agrees with that.

I just don't think he could handle the scrutiny and rigors of a 9 month campaign. 

Herman Cain's degree is in MATHEMATICS.  He is one smart guy.

Draft Danica McKellar!

(Anyone know her politics?)

(Anyone care?)

I think we will be hearing the number 9 a lot in the coming weeks.

If he throws in some cheesy bread, I'm ditching Buddy Roemer and getting on board.

Stranger things have happened.  One thing he has going for him is he's by far the most likable man in the race.  Everyone here agrees with that.

I just don't think he could handle the scrutiny and rigors of a 9 month campaign. 

Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 24, 2011 08:00 PM (WCjuw)

Whatever happens it's good for all of us. He's a nice guy and he is going to be out in front in the Media for awhile as a possible face of the party. Just don't ban any mosques for awhile Herman and you will be fine.

Posted by: CHEMjeff at September 24, 2011 07:58 PM (s7mIC)

As a physicist, I'm gonna not comment on the math guys.  We have a standing dislike for one another.  Like Ohio St. vs. Michigan.

(btw... as an aside... the 1 math major that is taking my class skipped on Friday and lost a potential 2% of his overall test grade... heh.)

We have a standing dislike for one another.  Like Ohio St. vs. Michigan.

Posted by: tangonine at September 24, 2011 08:04 PM (x3YFz)

You must not be fom Ohio or Michigan.

Herman Cain's degree is in MATHEMATICS.  He is one smart guy.

Draft Danica McKellar!

(Anyone know her politics?)

She'd definitely make for a telegenic candidate.  Dayum!

We have a standing dislike for one another.  Like Ohio St. vs. Michigan.

Posted by: tangonine at September 24, 2011 08:04 PM (x3YFz)

You must not be fom Ohio or Michigan.

Posted by: ErikW at September 24, 2011 08:07 PM (LYyq7)

Nope.  Texas.  I'm just a miserable bastard.

I'm drinking cheap beer and eating Bojangles Chicken.

I have no idea how this is relevant.  But, whatever.

Maybe it means a Christie run.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 24, 2011 08:01 PM (2f1Rs)

Heh Drew, I thought you would have learned by now that Obama has totally killed the strawman argument as being effective.

I like Cain, I like Perry and I am not totally opposed to Romney except that he's a heartless bastard who wants to fence us in.

I just think this 3 dimentional chess that people think Romney is playing by finishing 3rd is laughable. If he can't win Florida he's out of the race. He will lose Iowa and NC and win New Hampshire.

Nevada does't do it for him and Sandoval has already endorsed Perry.

I'm drinking cheap beer and eating Bojangles Chicken.

I have no idea how this is relevant.  But, whatever.

Maybe it means a Christie case of the runs.

FIFY

 it's his hysterical fanbois who are annoying.

With that in mind, I do try to keep my Roemer fanboi status in check.  Between my pickem and fantasy team being named after him, it's hard though.

Maybe it means a Christie case of the runs

Nice CJ.  Not bad.

And you could be right....but not until the morning.  For now, I'm rollin baby.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 24, 2011 08:08 PM (s7mIC)

I actually went back to the ONT earlier today and found it, out of concern for you.  At least there was no rectal damage involved.  Ah, shit, I just spilled a little beer.

I don't think this result is a victory for Perry, but it's not a defeat for him either (and it could have been). 

It's a defeat for him.  It wasn't a defeat as in....he's definitely out of the race, but it's a defeat for him.  He was the annointed "conservative" standard bearer until people actually heard him speak.  The voters who go to Cain aren't going to come from the Romney camp primarily.  They'll come from those Perry supporters who don't like a poor debater who impies that a lot of conservatives are heartless racists.

Herman Cain shits smarter than Rick Perry. 

It's hilarious to hear supposed "conservatives" pumping up a bullshitting, mediocre, half-wit politician like Rick Perry, while talking down a guy like Herman Cain.

Cain has actually been successful in the private sector and the public sector.  He's articulate, genuine, and decent.

He needs to get a better grasp of foreign policy issues, but, you know what, that's what these guys have advisors for.  Refreshingly, Cain knows what he doesn't know.  That's a hell of a lot better than having a suit like Mitt who thinks he can solve all of the world's problems by somehow designing a better corporate model.

492 What's really annoying is someone who calls himself a conservative or Republican lining up behind Romney.

His platform is conservative.  His policies showed an opposition to illegal immigration.  He had to govern in a deep blue state.  He's smart and articulate.  He has a firm understanding of economics.  That's why I support him. 

How can a conservative support a candidate who considers those who oppose rewarding illegal immigrants to be heartless racists?

Just as with MB, Cain is not in it to win but is instead a functional Romneyite stalking horse.

Palinistas have discussed the obvious collusion of these two with the Romney camp since they entered the race, originally with the purpose of dilluting Palin's strength and persuading her to stay out, since Mitt knows full well what's going to happen if she gets in.

Many at this 4Perry site scoffed at this explication, but now you've seen it put to work on your guy.

What do you say now?

Perry's entry into the race served, for Palin, as a response to Mitt's stalking horse strategy:  Perry became, for her, the blocker care that ran Bachmann into the ditch and slowed Mitt from running away, all the while unable to pull clear of the field himself.

Now Rick is going to have to spend even more time tearing up Cain. 

End result:  Mitt's stalking horses to the glue factory, Mitt and Perry both terribly weakened and ripe for the picking, especially if Christie dillutes their base vote even more.

And Palin has yet to spend a nickel and is proving harder to kill than Keith Richard.

(btw... as an aside... the 1 math major that is taking my class skipped on Friday and lost a potential 2% of his overall test grade... heh.)

Posted by: tangonine at September 24, 2011 08:04 PM (x3YFz)

Maybe he did the math and figured he could take the hit

Posted by: Dave S. at September 24, 2011 08:18 PM (UvR6d)

I don't know where you get your info but RCP has Romney at 21% of the primary vote. The conservative activist candidates as you call them collectively have 60%.

If he isn't going after that vote he's a loser.

Romney should have won more votes from disenchanted Perry voters, if electability is what they were looking for in this race. Instead, those voters went with Cain, which signals that they want a candidate who is authentic, sure of himself, and well-spoken.

Well said.  It's why I said earlier that no matter what, Mitt faces a big challenge in a few months when the shit gets real. (Probably Perry but who knows...)

There will be an anti Mittens candidate.  It will coalesce around one guy.  I won't make a prediction on who will win that struggle, but it will be intense.  The flame wars will be "fun".

"Establishment" Vs. Tea Party battle be a comin.

Nope.  Texas.  I'm just a miserable bastard.

Posted by: tangonine at September 24, 2011 08:10 PM (x3YFz)

Heh. The point is, there is little animosity between OSU and Michigan. Yeah, there's fools but 99.9% of fans get along fine and are looking for a good game.

There was an incident in the 90's when we lost to Michigan and dumbass students decided to burn couches in the street and that was the big news like there were riots in the streets.

It was completely overblown and now we have to deal with dumb shit.

He's smart and articulate.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 24, 2011 08:19 PM (0DGtF)

Then why can't he answer a yes or no question with a yes or a no?

Paging Chris Christie,

there is room at your table now

Posted by: As If! at September 24, 2011 08:28 PM (piMMO)

If the tourists that asswipe wants to let in would leave their bombs at home we might not mind so much.

Oh hell no, he is a complete fucking liar. Go back to the sunday morning shows from a few years ago and watch and listen. This conservative bullshit he is spewing now is just a means to an end. He believes in very little when it comes to true conservatism. He wants to "Massage" the tax code, he doesn't want to repeal Obama care "He wants to write "Waivers". I guess if you just want s softer landing in socialist hell he's alright.

He has stated repeatedly he supports the repeal of Obamacare.  Google it.

After getting a Poli Sci degree, and years working for a Congressman, and years as a Congressman, understandably it took a long time to find a profession for which I was qualified.

At the advice of my old friends in the Democratic Party, I have just applied for a job at Godfather's Pizza, an entry-level executive position in the Toppings Department.  I believe I have some truly innovative ideas. Wish me luck.

Paging Chris Christie,

there is room at your table now

Posted by: buzzsaw at September 24, 2011 08:28 PM (3Zo6I)

Because in being upset by a perceived squishiness on a candidates stance on Illegals we should get behind a guy that is even squishier on it.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 24, 2011 08:33 PM (s7mIC)

That's his problem. I really don't care about Romney Care. It was a state issue they wanted it and they like it. I don't live there and don't plan on it so I don't care.

If he is the nominee outside 527 Obama groups will be running his flip flops non stop.

Posted by: chemjeff at September 24, 2011 08:35 PM (s7mIC)

Except, chemjeff, that the following statement is not true about Perry:

You can pick and choose any position that you want and find a statement of Romney's that agrees with you.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 24, 2011 08:37 PM (ZDUD4)

I don't agree with that, my views on it have changed in the last 4 or 5 years. Not in a way that most people here would appreciate but they have changed.

You believe him? I don't. A lot of people don't. He has taken almost every position imaginable on every issue. You can pick and choose any position that you want and find a statement of Romney's that agrees with you.

But one thing that Romney is sticking to is that he thinks that Romneycare and the individual mandate is a damn good idea, at least in Mass. Doesn't seem like someone who is going to go to war to get rid of Obamacare to me.

I do believe him.  He started his political career in a deep blue state he had worked in for years.  It's a tenth amendment issue.  The people of Massachusetts supporterd Romneycare overwhelmingly.  If I happened to live in that state, I would not have supported itl, but I've seen little to indicate that he supports it nation-wide.

Heartless racist that I am (at least according to you-know-who), I wonder if you think Rick Perry would actually be tough on illegal immigration, or would just be a redux of George W. McGrahamnesty?

Vote for me and I will insure that Mitt, Harry and the JEF in the White House will be toast. No reaching across the aisle, no consensus just good old conservative values to get us all out of the socialist quagmire we are in thanks to the idiots that voted for "Hope and Change".

Posted by: IOWA at September 24, 2011 08:40 PM (jeLTI)

I was promised pizza for my vote. Where's it at?

Accept he really didn't say that. Not even in his hardcover book. What he said was he thought the plan he helped craft and which was overwhelmingly supported by the citizens of MA would be a good model for other states to look at. Not a national plan. He has never been in favor of that.

This is what I mean about people knowing Romney's actual record.

This whole race has been portrayed as a Goldwater vs. Rockefeller thing.  Researching the record would be helpful in dispelling that myth.

Posted by: AD at September 24, 2011 08:40 PM (3v1zf)

I was actually interested in that debate when it was going on and it seemed pretty practical to me at the time as something a state should try.

I don't know how it worked out except I see polls where a large percent of the people like it. I also see articles where they have the highest health care costs in the nation.

At DeMint's South Carolina non-debate thing Romney said that Obama should have called him so he could tell him what worked and what didn't with MassCare.  I'd love to hear him say what he thinks worked with MassCare, but I doubt you ever would because that might hold him to a specific position he might have to defend and indicate what a piece of shit his "Replace" portion of his Repeal and Replace plan would be.  And his Repeal part I consider to be a bullshit campaign promise as well that will be one of his first broken.  His "Everybody gets a waiver" plan is step one to modify ObamaCare so it will "work"

And that's what Romney the business man comes off as to me.  He wants to make things "work."  And so he would be a "what can the government DO" type of manager.  I don't want that.  I want a "how can we get the government out of your way" type of manager.

I do believe him.  He started his political career in a deep blue state he had worked in for years.  It's a tenth amendment issue.  The people of Massachusetts supporterd Romneycare overwhelmingly.  If I happened to live in that state, I would not have supported itl, but I've seen little to indicate that he supports it nation-wide.

Heartless racist that I am (at least according to you-know-who), I wonder if you think Rick Perry would actually be tough on illegal immigration, or would just be a redux of George W. McGrahamnesty?

Posted by: Reggie1971 at September 24, 2011 08:42 PM (0DGtF)

Well these are the issues voters Have with Both candidates.

Romney care and illegal immigrations

perhaps that is the debate where it is clarified.

they both need to stop being weasily

Posted by: Nickie Goombaat September 24, 2011 08:34 PM (jeLTI)

That could potentially interfere with my innovative ideas.

Posted by: willow at September 24, 2011 08:50 PM (h+qn

Yeah that worried me too. It's such an easy peasy answer. We already have plans for that type of stuff. Just say you would review the existing plans when you got to office, tweak them and enact them when needed.

Posted by: Barbarian at September 24, 2011 08:51 PM (EL+OC)

Sarah is getting me one now, I will have her get two. Want a sammich?

Posted by: chemjeff at September 24, 2011 08:53 PM (s7mIC)

You never invite me over for dinner . . . _sniff

I'm betting Palin and Christie are both in within a week.  

Oh, and Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf**k of a miserable failure.

http://tinyurl.com/3jeq6pu

I'm betting Palin and Christie are both in within a week.  

At this point, if Palin does not get in, it's a safe bet that she really never had an intention of doing so.  All that magical mystery bus tour was about was hot dogs, balloons, and self-aggrandizing.

Posted by: willow at September 24, 2011 09:04 PM (h+qn

Was it his being asked to answer the yes or no question?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 24, 2011 09:04 PM (eOXTH)

Duh, then that's where he stands.

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 24, 2011 08:58 PM (niZvt)

CoolCzech, I agree with every word.  But that is not the basis of the current constitutional challenge to ObamaCare.  All I'm saying is that there is no inconsistency in taking a federalist position and saying that ObamaCare is unconstitutional on a federal level but constitutional on a state level, based on the current challenges that are out there.  Now whether an individual mandate would be unconstitutional on a state level because it violated a basic right guaranteed by the Constitution is a new argument, I think, and hasn't been addressed by the courts.  But maybe our moron lawyer brigade could answer that.

Generic Republican. I like that guy. I wonder what is his middle name, though.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 24, 2011 09:09 PM (AZGON)

Hussein.

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 24, 2011 09:07 PM (niZvt)

Damn you  are hard to please, she didnt have on a Nazi helmet she had on a shell. As for the Nazi helmets they turned out to be a pretty good design.

Have you taken a look at the current US Military headgear?

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 24, 2011 09:13 PM (niZvt)

No I have a Bell full coverage helmet. I am just saying that a shell helmet has no relation to a nazi helmet. So you are saying you don't like her sense of fashion I guess.

Well ok.

Newt, Cain and Santorum have been avoiding the infighting and saying what they would do. It would make whoever said it look presidential and make Romney and Perry look like small children being scolded.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at September 24, 2011 09:14 PM (JKNDp)

Cain and Newt, yes.  Santorum?  Hell no.  He went after Perry like a petulant little child at the last debate, trying to talk over Perry's response rather than let him finish and then give a rebuttal.

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 24, 2011 09:20 PM (niZvt)

Oh my bad, you mean the non Nazi Wermacht. Shit I'm sorry I forgot about those guys.

Posted by: Breaker19 at September 24, 2011 09:17 PM (WCm02)

not saying I favor Paul, but his polling entitles him to a spot in the debates

Posted by: Nickie Goomba at September 24, 2011 09:27 PM (jeLTI)

He does have that "I sell used cars out in the Panhandle" look about him.  But, personally, I find that refreshing.

Posted by: mrp at September 24, 2011 09:26 PM (HjPtV)

Now that's a good lookin Nazi right there. And that helmet is definitely wermacht, only missing about half a wermacht. It could almost pass for a CHIP helmet, if it wasn't black.

I'd like the field to be thinned out.  Keep Romney, Perry, and Cain of course.

But maybe we should keep Newt.  He's the best debater of the bunch and he slaps the media across the face when they need it (which is often).

Yeah, and maybe keep Paul in.  He reminds people that the other candidates aren't nuts.

Posted by: Dark Horse at September 24, 2011 09:36 PM (I/MzF)

When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come and see!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!"

Posted by: the rest of the world at September 24, 2011 09:30 PM (k1rwm)

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 24, 2011 08:44 PM

Nothing in the Bill of Rights prevents an insurance mandate.  The lawsuits are all about Congress exceeding its power under the constitution.  The Constitutional limitations on the powers of the Congress don't apply to the states.

The states mandate all kinds of stuff and always have, reaching way back to the constitution.

State-level healthcare insurance mandates are a bad idea, as Romneycare shows, and they are kinda oppressive in that they meddle in people's lives for no real public good, but they're not unconstitutional or violating the sacred principles of the Constitution or anything.

Posted by: Y-not at September 24, 2011 09:36 PM (5H6zj)

I don't know.  Let's see what chemjeff thinks.

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 24, 2011 09:48 PM (niZvt)

---

The Invisible Man, apparently!  ;-)

I consider a mans principles more important than what he says his policies are! I think I will list some conservative principles in no certian order, then look for a candidate who fits into them. Feel free to add your own to the list.

 List of conservative principles.

#1 Honesty

#2 Work Ethic

#3 Love of Country

#4 Love of Fellow Man

#5 Wisdom

#6 Stewardship

#7 Courage

Posted by: Zombie Hunter Thompson at September 24, 2011 09:52 PM (GOG1H)

Because the guy that has been in office since the 70's is definitely not a professional politician!

WTF!! There are 300 million people in this country. I don't see why we,the Tea Party, don't recruit someone from outside the beltway and run them!!!

Posted by: Zombie Hunter Thompson at September 24, 2011 09:52 PM (GOG1H)

How long has Paul been in congress taking home the bacon to his district again?

I wouldn't vote for him even if he offered me 10 Silver Dimes.

Because the guy that has been in office since the 70's is definitely not a professional politician!

Y- not: My sympathies. My wife went through a bout of depression several years ago. It was atough time, She found a good therapist (the first one stunk so she found a better one) ; regular visits and Paxil did wonders. She got off Paxil after several months and is fine now. Hang in there, both of you.

Buzzion, you're right Santorum was an ass.  Also the bickering accusing stratagy hasn't been working for Michelle Bachman. 

Judging by their performance in the debates

Drop Huntsman

Drop Johnson

Drop Ron Paul

Bachman and Santorum hang on by a thread.

Cain and Newt still deserve to be on stage

Perry better get his shit together if he wants to maintain first tier status

Romney, you peaked at 25% and you will go no further.

WTF!! There are 300 million people in this country. I don't see why we,the Tea Party, don't recruit someone from outside the beltway and run them!!!

Posted by: Sonnyspats at September 24, 2011 09:55 PM (I/MzF)

Uhmm if I am not mistaken we only have 4 of the 9 that are from inside the beltway and they are all losing big time.

The good thing about Perry being Bush 2.0 is Bush's stance on terrorism. Not saying I would vote for Perry though.

Posted by: Sonnyspats at September 24, 2011 09:55 PM (I/MzF)

Uhmm if I am not mistaken we only have 4 of the 9 that are from inside the beltway and they are all losing big time.

Posted by: robtr at September 24, 2011 09:58 PM (MtwBb

 I was thinking of someone we recruited not someone who decided they wanted to be President. I'm sure we can do better.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 24, 2011 10:01 PM (uIz80)

Heh, yeah because someday Romney might even run for President  and then look out because he's awesome. So awesome McCain beat him like a stepchild.

Posted by: Y-not at September 24, 2011 09:59 PM (5H6zj

who Mr.Shovel Ready joke stealer guy?

A limerick

There once was a man named Rick Perry

Whose debate performances got really scary

He then told the nation

About Gardisil and immigration

And made all conservatives wary.

Y-not,

if your husband does thereapy (he probably should), cognitive behavioral therapy is the only kind that's been shown to work in studies.

It helped me out, a lot more than the pills did.  Pills can screw you up.  I would avoid them unless hubby is flirting with suicide.

Also, lots of sunshine has been scientifically proven to help.

Also minimum 20 minutes of cardio, at least 5 days a week.  That has also been scientifically proven to help.

Bill D. Cat, seriously, what did I type that was beyond the pale.  I assume you have my email. Send a reply there if you wish.

Be nice if Bill D. Cat would reply as to what he or I was talking about.  Oh well on to more mischief.

I think BillD is just having some sport with you.

Oh thank goodness, I thought I was going senile.

The candidate talking about "Chilean Models" wins a "Straw Pole" - coincidence??  We think not and will report in super duper detail tonight.  And tomorrow.  And all week.  We'll get to the bottom of it!!11!!1!  We will also cover that he's a racist for haing on Oteleprompteredone even though he has "slave blood."

We will mention Solyndra only in the context that it's fun to say.

I was there at the P5 and CPAC events. The Perry people WERE really pushing for a win but so were Romney's. I would say they were putting in the same effort. Huntsman's people, however, were up there with the Paul-bots in aggressive campaigning.

Cain and Santorum were EVERYWHERE. I mean the men themselves. You were able to run into them frequently and talk to them. Santorum went out of his way to show up at parties/hospitality suites. He got into the mix. You, the voter, had to go to Romney. Even Newt and Callista went walking around a bit to be seen. I didn't see Romney or Bachman for that matter at all. They also didn't turn up at Radio Row to do interviews after they spoke at CPAC whereas all the others stopped in to chat on the air. (My husband is a radio guy.)

In their final speeches Cain brought down the house and fired everyone up. He was great. Inspiring.

The RPOF was also able to keep the Paul-bots from stealing the vote. It was discovered that Paul had bussed in 10 bus-loads of supports who were trying to get other people's credentials. At one point some big guys in the RPOF were asking people to just vote Romney or Perry to deny Paul a victory but Cain's speech and Gov. Scott's admonishing to vote for the best person it went to Cain. They also had counties state their number of delegates and accounted for their votes. That helped.

Posted by: Y-not at September 24, 2011 09:56 PM (5H6zj)

S'OK...found yours

Posted by: Lynn at September 24, 2011 11:10 PM (IfrGo

I kind of liked it the first time

Herman Cain / Paul Rubins 2012 head would explode for sure lol

Late to the thread. .....Congrats to Herman Cain! Have always liked him. ....Would have no problem voting for him if he gets the nom......but unfortunately I think this straw poll victory is one of those little flukes that happen.

Bachmann won the Iowa straw poll. And now look at where she is.

As poorly as Perry did in the debate in FL, I was prepared to see him way down in this straw poll.....not in second place.

I was expecting Romney to win this one.....since so many said they thought he won the debate. So this seems like a repudiation of Romney.

People want to hear straight talk...on the issues. Not sniping at each other.

Herman Cain has not engaged in any of the attack-dog stuff that Romney, Bachman and Santorum have been doing. ....Perry finally attempted to do some of it and failed miserably at it....plus insulting people with that "have a heart" remark made it even worse.

Still hoping Perry can rehabilitate himself. ...If he has someone coaching him on the debates, he should fire them. ....Hire some joke writers. Something. ....I just think that Perry is the one who stands the best chance of beating the SCoaMF and getting us out of this economic mess.

Y-not....sorry your going through such a rough time. Hope it gets better soon.

CoolCzech....thanks for the jokes, those were great.

I LOVE Mr Cain  ALWAYS HAVE

He is the right man for the Job. His class and poise, One think I have noticed at the debates is when some one else is speaking, Mr Cain turns to listen to that person. To me that shows Respect class and dignity for himself and others. Perhaps is a sign of my age and a loss of respect in this culter. I admire mr cain

Look at J.S. Sefton's comment about Cain.  It is almost a primmer for what was wrong with Obama.

Obama was polished, but in  what? In the main, Obama surrounded himself and filled the government with people like himself.

"He's not polished, nor is he up on foreign policy issues. But both of these can be overcome with the right people. And as all successful CEO's know, it's the people you surround yourself with that make all the difference in the world, and I think Cain would surround himself with the absolute best and brightest conservative minds around."

Hopefully, Cain would reverse the current trend.

815 I took Perry's Have a Heart comment to mean he had no real response. He had finally run out of reasons for agreeing to do something at odds with Republican thinking.

Unlike Romney, who never runs out of reasons to hedge on the utter destruction he created with Romneycare.

"Bachmann had to take out Pawlenty. When she did, it went to her head. Going after Perry was stepping out of her weight class. Santorum has no business being in this race. Neither are nice people, but Iowa is their only shot. Cain will see some money from this win, and he can maybe stay in till SC."

Definition of nice?

1) Cain 37%

2) Perry 15%

3) Romney 14%