1 Rock on, Mitchy Mac! And pass the popcorn.

2 Booya!

3
Question:  why, exactly, is it not being introduced as its own bill?  Why must it be an amendment to some random bill?

If the republicans control the House, can't they just start a new bill there?

4 2012 election begins with this vote.

5 Obama, maybe you can save yourself by asking your Cabinet to resign.

6 Does it match the one passed in the House, or this one of their deals where if it manages to pass, it goes to conference before Obama's desk?

Also, I've been wondering, would it be helpful to the lawsuits to pass 'sense of the' House and/or Senate resolutions declaring Obamacare unconstitutional?

7 Question:  why, exactly, is it not being introduced as its own bill?

Er, because Republicans are not in the majority in the Senate?

8 I believe unanomous consent is required to have the bill go to a Committee, where it would die.  A question would be: does at least one Republican Senator need to be around to keep Harry Reid from applying this Senate Rule?

9 Question:  why, exactly, is it not being introduced as its own bill?  Why must it be an amendment to some random bill?

If the republicans control the House, can't they just start a new bill there?


What is being added is the repeal bill which passed the House.

As to why they couldn't introduce it, the Senate Majority Leader determines the calendar of what will be voted on.  This was the only way the minority could get it to a vote.

10 Posted by: dan-O at February 01, 2011 01:32 PM (bRLuD)

Just because the House passes a bill doesn't mean the Senate has to take it up. Pelosi passed over 400 bills that never saw the light of day in the Senate.

Reid controls access to the floor (another reason why majorities matter). This is the only way the minority can get something brought up.

11 I believe that McConnell is introducing H.R. 1 to the Senate, as opposed to one of his own.

12 How about that. I had my doubts about McConnell, and did not think the Stupid Party had the brains, guts or balls to really go after a repeal of O-care. You ever had a project you really worked hard on and it came to nothing, and you feel totally drained when it's over? I sure hope Pelosi feels like crap right now. Flying monkeys, take her back to Sodom by the Bay.

13 it's a great sign that Republicans are serious about this I take it as a sign they're not serious. Putting up this fig leaf which is procedurally not going to be allowed. "See, we tried".

14 I think they should Peal it first and then Repeal it after Oliar vetoes it.
Then we'll have that community deodorizer where we want him.
Checkmate.

15 Grahmnesty will be showing his ugly hog jowls on every TV in the universe undermining this move.

16 14 it's a great sign that Republicans are serious about this

I take it as a sign they're not serious. Putting up this fig leaf which is procedurally not going to be allowed. "See, we tried".

Posted by: t-bird at February 01, 2011 01:37 PM (FcR7P)

I'm not the biggest Senate Republican fan, but what's your alternative at this point in time?

17 Cool.  I actually feel the leftard demoralization this week....

18 One wonders what McConnell has said to RINO Graham for his Obamacare lite bill.

19 Real seriousness would be to try to attach this to every bill.

20 A good friend of mine has type II Diabetes. No insurance company will cover her. This should not be a political issue to get her the coverage she needs, but instead you people just want to say no and use this for some political advantage. Obama will make sure my friend gets the help she needs regardless of you Republicants.

21 I'm not the biggest Senate Republican fan, but what's your alternative at this point in time? I don't know, I didn't think this comment thru enough.

22 Posted by: t-bird at February 01, 2011 01:37 PM (FcR7P)

Oh for fucks sake...you'd probably be bitching if they didn't do something like this.

What exactly would you like the Republicans, with their 47 votes, to do?

23 The air is a little fresher and the sun a little brighter whenever liberals lose.

24 First repeal Obamacare, and then Social Security.

25

How about a bill demanding a Debate on the meaning of the Constitutional Meaning of the Commerce Clause?

Neither the House or Senate has bothered with that... and I'd LOVE to see that debate as the Dems tried to defend the O'care Mandate...

26 It will probably be ruled out of order since ObamaCare isn't germane to the FAA bill.

Is this a new rule? "Germane" has never stopped anyone from tacking wasteful pork shit onto unrelated bills...

27 Kelly,

Where should I have the cake delivered?

Hugs,

Evil Me

28 Posted by: Kelly at February 01, 2011 01:39 PM (cs819)

Liar. That's what state insurance pools are all about. Ever heard of Medicaid?

29 A good friend of mine has type II Diabetes Have her lay off the donuts. You do know that type II is completely curable, right?

30 21 She acted stupidly in not getting insurance before she got sick.

31 Posted by: t-bird at February 01, 2011 01:40 PM (FcR7P)

Sorry, didn't see that before I posted my comment.

They are doing what they can..building support. We need another election to even have a chance at undoing this. The next 2 years are about the courts and laying the groundwork for repeal.

32 Is cake OK with your completely made-up friend?

Or should I send jelly beans and RC Cola?


mmmmm RC.

33 A good friend of mine has type II Diabetes. No insurance company will cover her.

FYNQ.

34 21 A good friend of mine has type II Diabetes. No insurance company will cover her. This should not be a political issue to get her the coverage she needs, but instead you people just want to say no and use this for some political advantage. Obama will make sure my friend gets the help she needs regardless of you Republicants.

I call BS (Barbara Streisand). 

35 Mubarak to announce he will step down, not now, but after the next election? Hum something tells me that pig ainÂ’t gonna fly, but hey, nice try. Next

36

It will probably be ruled out of order since ObamaCare isn't germane to the FAA bill.

Actualy, does not the FAA have to pay for Health Insurance?  Thus Obamacare DOES affect the FAA!

 

37 You want to know if the Republicans got 'the message' of November? Here's another sign they did.

What message?

38

^{Posted by: Kelly at February 01, 2011 01:39 PM (cs819)}

"You people"??

39 19 One wonders what McConnell has said to RINO Graham for his Obamacare lite bill.

Posted by: Vic at February 01, 2011 01:39 PM (M9Ie6)

That's a good question.  McConnell ought to be taking him to the woodshed, along with Sen. John Barrasso.

40 Actualy, does not the FAA have to pay for Health Insurance? Thus Obamacare DOES affect the FAA! Posted by: Romeo13 at February 01, 2011 01:43 PM (AdK6a) And don't Judges and Administrators fly on Planes?

41 Type II Diabetes is Lazy Fat Bitchitis. The cure is to lay off the sweets and to lose 5 or 6 hundred pounds.

42 A good friend of mine has type II Diabetes. No insurance company will cover her. 

Posted by: Kelly at February 01, 2011 01:39 PM (cs819)

She needs a padlock for her fridge dimwit.

43 See? Conservatives value gun ownership, and don't value the health of the people they govern. Conservati ves favor violence over medicine. They support your right to get shot, but not your right to see a doctor afterwards. They refuse to back down from their violent or angry rhetoric, because the language of violence is the only language they understand . They refuse to back down from their violent language and their violent system of beliefs even when it results in the death of a child during a political assassinat ion attempt. In fact, they are choosing this time to double down their efforts to push for more 'liberal' (meaning less restrictiv e) gun legislatio n and don't mind at all that they are, in effect, 'rubbing our noses in it.'

44 Kelly jumped the shark with the made-up friend. Libtards always make up a fictional friend if they go on long enough.

45 Obama will make sure my friend gets the help she needs regardless of you Republicants.

Posted by: Kelly at February 01, 2011 01:39 PM (cs819)

Even if he has to commit sedition to do it.

46 One wonders what McConnell has said to RINO Graham for his Obamacare lite bill. Heh... me too.

47 And don't Judges and Administrators fly on Planes?

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 01, 2011 01:44 PM (0GFWk)

Yeah, but be careful which planes you get on...

48

Question:  why, exactly, is it not being introduced as its own bill?  Why must it be an amendment to some random bill?

Chistine O'Donnell!

49

O/T friend sent me this pic from Indy this morning.

Icy mess.

50 Still waiting for Obama to pay our mortgages, dearie.

51

"A good friend of mine has type II Diabetes. No insurance company will cover her. This should not be a political issue to get her the coverage she needs, but instead you people just want to say no and use this for some political advantage. Obama will make sure my friend gets the help she needs regardless of you Republicants".

 Sympathy meter remains unbudged.

 So I'm guessing your friend lives a sedentary lifestyle, has a piss poor diet, and weighs about a deuce and a half?

 

52 Please tell me South Carolina has a replacement for that douche bag Graham waiting in the wings.

53 Hippie Dude:

We totally support your right to get beaten in an alley with a 2x4 full of nails if you are anti-gun.

Big Tent! Big Tent, People!

Bathe your ass. -Redd Foxx

54 Conservati ves favor violence over medicine.

FYNQ.

55 Icy mess. Posted by: laceyunderalls Please send accompanying pictures of frost-covered hipster barista douchebags.

56 They support your right to get shot, but not your right to see a doctor afterwards.
Posted by: Hippie Dude at February 01, 2011 01:45 PM (BKOsZ)

Wrong, I support your right to get shot when you trespass on my property.
And don't worry, you won't need a doctor.

57 A good friend of mine has type II Diabetes. No insurance company will cover her. This should not be a political issue to get her the coverage she needs, but instead you people just want to say no and use this for some political advantage. Obama will make sure my friend gets the help she needs regardless of you Republicants.
Posted by: Kelly

She should call up Wilford Brimley at Liberty for her diabeetus needs.

58 You want to know if the Republicans got 'the message' of November I can't hear you.

59 Looking at the Jerry Brown article in the sidebar, I could really go for a "Three Wolf Moonbeam" t-shirt.

60 Instead of busting on Kelly's "friend's" condition, bust her for her out and out lie. It varies by state, but diabetics actually can be insured, through employers, the state, Medicaid/Medicare, or individually. 

If she lives in a state that allows diabetics to be refused individual policies, she needs to take that up with her state, not with Congress (although petitioning Congress to remove the asinine "no policies across state lines" bullshit could work, too).

61

They support your right to get shot, but not your right to see a doctor afterwards.

Well it's kind of oxymoronic, isn't it?

What do YOU want to do, shoot people, patch them up, shoot them again, patch them back up again, shoot 'em agin... that's just fucking cruel man.

62 Obama will make sure my friend gets the help she needs Here's a tapeworm, dear!

63 DeMinted, run your dog for the other SC Senate seat if you have to but , Lindsay (DADT) Graham must go.

64 From my link @46:

This is now a full-blown Constitutional Crisis.  The Executive's willful, intentional and publicly-stated refusal to honor a declaratory judgment is an open act of willful and intentional violation of The Separation of Powers in The Constitution and, if combined with the use of or threat of use of force as is always present when government coercion is employed, treads awfully close to the line, and may cross it, of 18 USC Ch 115 Sec 2384

65 They support your right to get shot, but not your right to see a doctor afterwards.

We'll need a list of gunshot victims who have been denied treatment at the ER.  State, city, and hospital, please.

Here's a hint: this doesn't happen.

66 See? Conservatives value gun ownership, and don't value the health of the people they govern. Conservati ves favor violence over medicine. They support your right to get shot, but not your right to see a doctor afterwards.

They refuse to back down from their violent or angry rhetoric, because the language of violence is the only language they understand . They refuse to back down from their violent language and their violent system of beliefs even when it results in the death of a child during a political assassinat ion attempt. In fact, they are choosing this time to double down their efforts to push for more 'liberal' (meaning less restrictiv e) gun legislatio n and don't mind at all that they are, in effect, 'rubbing our noses in it.'
Posted by: Hippie Dude

Umm, you do know that this "assassination" attempt was carried out by a far left nut job, right?

67 You guys are getting way too gullible falling for the sockpuppets.  Just sayin'.

68 Please tell me South Carolina has a replacement for that douche bag Graham waiting in the wings.

He is not up for election until 2014.

69
I take it as a sign they're not serious. Putting up this fig leaf which is procedurally not going to be allowed. "See, we tried".

Posted by: t-bird

Ever the optimist t-bird weighs in.

70 Buy all the Health Insurance you want loser.

71 You guys are getting way too gullible falling for the sockpuppets.  Just sayin'.

It's good practice, just in case Axelrod ever sends us a full-assed troll.

FYNQ!

72

What do YOU want to do, shoot people, patch them up, shoot them again, patch them back up again, shoot 'em agin... that's just fucking cruel man.

Posted by: Entropy at February 01, 2011 01:53 PM (IsLT6)

_{Target practice is critical in saving both ammo and unnecessary healthcare costs.}

73 30 A good friend of mine has type II Diabetes

Have her lay off the donuts. You do know that type II is completely curable, right?

Posted by: t-bird at February 01, 2011 01:42 PM (FcR7P)

Its true, my wife dropped 40 and improved her diet. Diabetes II gone along with three different medications. Boom!! health care costs drastically decreased!!

 

 

   

74 Reid controls access to the floor (another reason why majorities matter). This is the only way the minority can get something brought up.

Oh shit, if I had known this, I totally would have supported electable candidates in DE, CO and NV!  Why didn't anyone tell me that control of the Senate mattered?  I thought I was just sending message to RINOs!

75 That's funny, I've got friends with Type 2 that have insurance. Maybe they won't insure her because she's a friend of yours, Kelly.

76

Umm, you do know that this "assassination" attempt was carried out by a far left nut job, right?

Forget it, he's rolling.

77 Hopefully Mitch and Co. held Grahamnesty down and sewed a pair on him. What, too much to hope for?

78 Type 2 diabetes is nature's way of saying you need to lose weight.

79 How do you determine electability , you demonrat troll?

80 Jesus Christ, it's almost as if Sarah Palin and Mark Levin misled me!  THIS CANNOT BE!  GRRRRRRAAAAARRRR!!!

81 Dammit you fucking wingnuts! You need your Obamacare to get your dieabeetus supplies from Liberty.

82 Electable like President Elect McCain?

83 Oh shit, if I had known this, I totally would have supported electable candidates in DE, CO and NV!

Yes, because which party would the Majority Leader be if there were three more R Senators?

Republican Purist Moron

Well, at least you got that part right.

84 BTW, preexisting condition exemption periods are strictly regulated on employer based plans.  Although the employer based part might be Kelly's friends problem.

85 Type 2 diabetes is nature's way of saying you need to lose weight.

Posted by: toby928™ at February 01, 2011 01:58 PM (GTbGH)

Right about now Kelly is going "Damn, I picked the wrong illness to give my fake friend.  Should have gone with Crohn's.  Shit."

86 Posted by: FlaviusJulius at February 01, 2011 02:00 PM (SJ6/3)

Did anyone really think McCain was electable?

I don't remember the great, true conservative hope we tossed aside for the more electable McCain.

2008 was just a crappy field.

87 It is unAmerican for people to be as happy as you my friend has diabetes and laugh at her misfortune. Which is why I voted for Obama who passed his healthcare bill giving all Americans healthcare over you teabaggers loud whining.

88 I was assured that Sharron "2nd Amendment Remedies" Angle, Ken "Women R STOOPID" Buck and Crazy Train Witchywoman were the true conservatives who would lead us to the promised land!

And now we can't get any legislation to the floor of the Senate!  Fuck! 

Oh well, there's still time to primary Olympia Snowe and Scott Brown!

89 50-50 tie is a big F&%*in deal.

90 Kelly, I have given your juicy friend a complimentary membership in the Creme Brulee of the Week Club. That's Compassionate Conservatism, gutterskank. No need to thank me. I did the same thing for Sonia Sotomayor.

91 Oh well, there's still time to primary Olympia Snowe and Scott Brown!

Indeed.  My wallet is open to primary challengers.

92 Ok, that last one wasn't even trying hard. Kelly (cs819) must be someone's eight-year-old.

93

I'll join the BS on Kelly chorus.  Type II diabetes is non-insulin-dependent diabetes, and can usually be managed with diet and exercise. 

Type I is the insulin-injection, Wilford Brimley diabeet-us diabetes.  That's the one you REALLY don't want to have. 

There's also a big difference between non-coverage of a pre-existing medical condition, and not issuing coverage at all.  People with pre-existing medical conditions get health insurance all the time.  There may be exclusions or waiting periods for the pre-existing condition, though. 

 

94

Icy mess.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 01, 2011 01:47 PM (wZScH)

Couldnt open the pic but yeah... Indy is an icy mess.  About an inch of ice last night and its raining ice now... this evening.. more ice and snow.  Schools are all closed and probably will be tomorrow too.

Indy is doing a really good job with getting ahead of the weather.. since the Superbowl is here next year, they want to show we can handle the weather.

95 FYNQ?

96

When are the Kelly-concern-Libs goint to realize that this nonsense has never been about healthcare? Its about buying off votes and redistributing money from the producers to non-producers.

 

97 It is unAmerican for people to be as happy as you my friend has diabetes and laugh at her misfortune.

Google 'Tony Snow cancer Daily Kos' and get back to me.

98 Type 2 diabetes is nature's way of saying you need to lose weight.

Or that you're old.  My grandfather has always been slight, and developed it around age 85.

Of course, Obamacare would have prevented this by letting him die when he was 75 instead of letting him have a bypass.

99 Indeed.  My wallet is open to primary challengers.

Sweet!  Join me, my brother, in purifying our party of candidates who can win elections in Northeast states and caucus with us, and vote to repeal Obamacare!  I would rather see the country burn than allow anyone who offends our sense of perfection!  MUCH BETTER COAKLEY THAN BROWN!  THAT FUCKER DOESN'T HATE FAGS THE WAY HE OUGHTA!

100 _{88 It is unAmerican for people to be as happy as you my friend has diabetes and laugh at her misfortune. Which is why I voted for Obama who passed his healthcare bill giving all Americans healthcare over you teabaggers loud whining.}

_{Posted by: Kelly at February 01, 2011 02:01 PM (cs819)}

Anyone else hear the voice of one of Red Eye's computer generated robots when scanning Kelly's mindless drivel?

101

What do YOU want to do, shoot people, patch them up, shoot them again, patch them back up again, shoot 'em agin... that's just fucking cruel man.

Posted by: Entropy at February 01, 2011 01:53 PM (IsLT6)

Depends on who you're talking about.  Oh NOES!!!! UNCIVIL RHETORIC!!!!11!!!!111!!ELEVENTY!!!

102 96 FYNQ?
Posted by: Tom at February 01, 2011 02:03 PM (MWXXs)

F**k you next question.

103

Question:  why, exactly, is it not being introduced as its own bill?  Why must it be an amendment to some random bill?

.

It's simple. . . By the inaction of FAA personnel to purchase health insurance, it in essence creates an action (inaction =1 / action) in the eyes of the Commerce Clause.  So. . . by introducing the repeal amendment and attaching it to the FAA reauthorization bill you get the following equation:

Action = (Inaction) X (1 / Action)

Now if you solve for the derivative of Y . . .

104 If they don't vote with us, what difference does it make what letter comes after his name?

105 @100 There must be something wrong with your medulla oblongata.

106 Ah, thanks.

107 That's it, I'm unFriending all of you!!! Wait, here I go!....Boop.........Done! Haha! Goodbye, losers! I'm just keeping Barack Obama 2012 and Larry's Lo-Cost Lithium Labs!1! on my list. Seeya!

108

#84

Had we won 50...would have been interesting to see how Manchin and Nelson acted post-election.

109

Posted by: FireNWater at February 01, 2011 02:07 PM (qmw4U)

 

Ahhhhh!!!! Math!!!!!

/runs from thread....

110

Action = (Inaction) X (1 / Action)

Now if you solve for the derivative of Y . . .

That looks suspiciously like math. Raaaaaacist.

111 It is unAmerican for people to be as happy as you my friend has diabetes and laugh at her misfortune. Which is why I voted for Obama who passed his healthcare bill giving all Americans healthcare over you teabaggers loud whining.
Posted by: Kelly

No, it is not "unAmerican" to be happy. Actually, we don't give a shit.

What is unAmerican is expecting others to pay for your friends diabeetus because she drools like Pavlov's dog at a picture of Little Debbie.

112 I don't get it...we mandate that all drivers purchase auto insurance. What's so different about mandating that all breathers purchase health insurance, especially since the government is willing to subsidize the program? Not having health insurance costs Americans so much more than if everyone was covered.

113

Had we won 50...would have been interesting to see how Manchin and Nelson acted post-election.

Posted by: CAC at February 01, 2011 02:08 PM (rSY7Y)

Nah, Joe Biden would have suddenly discovered that Sarah WAS right during the election, and that the VP is President of the Senate, and votes on ties...

114 Join me, my brother, in purifying our party of candidates who can win elections in Northeast states

Meh.  Brown's going down anyway. 

115 If they don't vote with us, what difference does it make what letter comes after his name?

You've got it all wrong, Flavius!  The problem is that they DO vote with us.  They vote with us on piddling, useless shit like repealing ObamaCare, or stopping the omnibus spending bill, or shooting down the DREAM Act...you know, stuff that doesn't matter, stuff we don't care about as Tea Partiers.

AND THEY THEY HAVE THE NERVE TO REPEAL DADT, OR VOTE FOR A MEANINGLESS MISSILE TREATY WITH NO CONCRETE REAL-WORLD EFFECT.  HOW DARE THEY?!?!?  HOW DARE THEY NOT DANCE SLAVISHLY TO OUR TUNE!!

I demand 100% Jim DeMint conservative purity from my Massachusetts and Maine Senators, or else let's set them on fire.

116 Where do you suppose the government gets its money asshole?

117 Kelly is an idiot, like all Liberals. Her "friend" is either too cheap to pay for docotor's visits and insulin, or she is too lazy to find help for herself, having lived her entire life thinking the Gubbermint ought to take care of her.

Tell you "friend" to try cinnamon for her diabetes. A simple Google search will reveal a plethora of good advice. Not as easy as whining about your victim status and holding out your hand for Gubbermint help, but I hope it provides some help for her.

118 They support your right to get shot, but not your right to see a doctor afterward.

Neither of those are "rights", numbnuts.

119 I demand 100% Jim DeMint conservative purity from my Massachusetts and Maine Senators, or else let's set them on fire.

Cut, jib, newsletter.

120

#113

You don't HAVE to drive a car. You can take a bus, ride a bike, or walk. All green options in fact.

FYNQ

121 I won't support any Republican candidate who doesn't promise to anally rape the corpses of his Democrat opponents. 

Otherwise they're probably just going to turn out to be sneaky 'bipartisan' RINO squish fucktards.

122 Car insurance is not compulsory for drivers in all states.

123 I won't support any Republican candidate who doesn't promise to anally rape the corpses of his Democrat opponents.

Do you live in Massachussetts?

124 Posted by: toby928™ at February 01, 2011 02:12 PM (GTbGH)

Sometimes I think you're the only one on this site that truly understands me.  Together, brother, we will create a better, more pure minority.  Who needs 50+ Senators and control of the legislative agenda when you could have an ideologically perfect minority of 35-40???

WHAT KIND OF RINO-HUMPING QUEERBOT WOULD MAKE THAT TRADE, HUH? 

125 BTW, you know who isn't required to buy insurance

APPLICABLE INDIVIDUAL.—For purposes of this section—

‘‘(3) INDIVIDUALS NOT LAWFULLY PRESENT.—Such term shall
not include an individual for any month if for the month the
individual is not a citizen or national of the United States
or an alien lawfully present in the United States.

126

A good friend of mine has type II Diabetes. No insurance company will cover her. This should not be a political issue to get her the coverage she needs, but instead you people just want to say no and use this for some political advantage. Obama will make sure my friend gets the help she needs regardless of you Republicants

 

As others have already mentioned, if you're going to have Diabetes, Type II is the best one to have.  It's usually controlled by exercise and diet, and occasionally oral medications.  As already stated, your friend needs to start monitoring what she eats and get off her fat ass! 

127 WHAT KIND OF RINO-HUMPING QUEERBOT WOULD MAKE THAT TRADE, HUH?

Now you're just playing with me.

128 You damn Teabaggers are going to explode the federal debt if health care is repealed. The bill saves $100 billion dollars over 10 years and creates millions of new jobs. Everyone knows that. Thanks for taking the country into more debt and less jobs.

129 Thanks for taking the country into more debt and less jobs.

Posted by: Hippie Dude at February 01, 2011 02:18 PM (BKOsZ)

You're welcome!

130 Hippie Dude:

Either you are a sock, or stupid.

A government that can make you buy a product with your own private property (money) from cradle to grave can make you buy or do anything.

My child can choose not to drive a car or purchase a car. He cannot choose not to be born.

The individual mandate in Commiecare is a Birth Tax.

It's about the freedom, dipshit.

131 It is unAmerican for people to be as happy as you my friend has diabetes and laugh at her misfortune.

Hey Kelly,

Your "friend" needs to back away from the Entenmenn's baked goods..  If she can't back a way under her own power then I guess we will have to chip in for a forklift.  Will that help?

Science tip of the day:  Physics states that spandex can stretch only so far until it explodes off your "friend's" ass and sucks her into a black hole of nothingness.

It's a fact!

132 Who needs 50+ Senators and control of the legislative agenda when you could have an ideologically perfect minority of 35-40???

Indeed.  Tainting the brand was hardly worth electing Castle as the 48th Senator.

BTW, are you going to spill the beans about why Chief Justice Roberts is likely to uphold Obamacare, jeff?

133

 BTW, you know who isn't required to buy insurance

 

Yup, no point in being a legal citizen of the U.S.S.A any more.  Illegal aliens also get instate tuition at state schools in many states.  If you're a legal citizen and you want to go to a public school in a neighboring state, well, you're screwed.

134 I don't get it...we mandate that all drivers purchase auto insurance. What's so different about mandating that all breathers purchase health insurance, especially since the government is willing to subsidize the program? Not having health insurance costs Americans so much more than if everyone was covered.
Posted by: Hippie Dude

Drivers do not have to buy auto insurance, automobile owners buy auto insurance. Those who do not own a car do not pay auto insurance.

The State is able to mandate that you purchase auto insurance to drive on State maintained roads. But if your vehicle does not go on State maintained roads, auto insurance is not needed. Example, NASCAR race cars are not required to maintain auto insurance.

Actually, health costs will increase if "everyone" is covered. You see there is a simple economic concept called "supply and demand". As the demand increases, the supply decreases. When that happens, the price goes up. Since there is already a shortage of health care professionals in this country, the increased demand will cause the price to go up. The government's "fix" is to set the costs. This in turn will cause doctors to leave the system, meaning fewer doctors, which in turn will lead to fewer patients being able to see the doctor. Thus, the supply will decrease, and there will be a rise in the price.

135 I still say if we can never elect anybody worth a shit in MA, CN, or ME then they should do like they wanted at the Hartford Convention and secede. They are already destroying the country with their communism.

136 "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. " Health care is a right. Just ask the Declaration of Independence.

137 I have type I diabetes - my official position is that everyone bitching about type II can go fuck off and stop stuffing thier fat face.

138 I don't get it...we mandate that all drivers purchase auto insurance. What's so different about mandating that all breathers purchase health insurance, especially since the government is willing to subsidize the program? Not having health insurance costs Americans so much more than if everyone was covered.

Hippie Dude,
That is some weapons grade stupid right there.  Buying a car is not mandatory in this country.  If you purchase a car, your own choice, you must carry auto insurance.  Gawd you are fucking dumb. What are you, twelve?

139 Hippie Dude:

Either you are a sock, or stupid.


I'm pretty sure that one's a sock.  Purity Guy and Kelly both need a 2x4 studded with 18-penny nails up their ass though.

140 Declaration of Independence.

Posted by: Hippie Dude at February 01, 2011 02:21 PM (BKOsZ)

 

Ok, the sock status is becoming obvious at this point.

Because everyone knows the DoI with a painfully loose interpretation of "Life" as "health care" is the law of the land. What the fuck is this "Constitution" business anyway?

141 Pursuit of Happiness includes Super Models.

142 it's a great sign that Republicans are serious about this

I take it as a sign they're not serious. Putting up this fig leaf which is procedurally not going to be allowed. "See, we tried".

Posted by: t-bird at February 01, 2011 01:37 PM (FcR7P)

I'm not the biggest Senate Republican fan, but what's your alternative at this point in time?

Posted by: grognard at February 01, 2011 01:38 PM (NS2Mo)

Bitching on the inter-webz. Duh.

143 "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. "

Health care is a right. Just ask the Declaration of Independence.

Posted by: Hippie Dude

"Fucking hippies are douchebags".

From Stuff Jefferson Said

144 Hippie Dude, That is some weapons grade stupid right there. Buying a car is not mandatory in this country. If you purchase a car, your own choice, you must carry auto insurance. Gawd you are fucking dumb. What are you, twelve? ---------------------------- I have to drive to get to my job. Duh. And pretty soon it will be mandatory to buy an electric car for everyone not living near high speed rail. You know I'm right.

145 Yeah, Hippies don't believe in a Creator, but they sure as hell want what he's handing out.

How about all those dead babies that you liberals kill every year in abortions, Hippie? Do they have rights?

Life (not medical care), Liberty (from government oppression), PURSUIT (not guaranty) of Happiness

146 ObamaCare isn't germane to the FAA bill. ....the goddamn Germans have nothing to do with it.....

147 All right------------Sock off! I copied and pasted those comments straight from lib sites. At least you guys got a bit of a workout today.

148 Germaine is the least talented of the Jacksons.

149 And if you think that Grahamnesty is an insufferable d-bag now, just imagine him (and the Maine Sistahs) with a 50-50 Senate. 

150 I have to drive to get to my job. Duh.

And pretty soon it will be mandatory to buy an electric car for everyone not living near high speed rail. You know I'm right. Posted by: Hippie Dude

You drive??!!!  Shame on you.  You should be taking pubic (I meant that) transportation, riding a bicycle or walking to your community organizer "job". Electric cars?  Umm, how are we going to create the energy to supply the electricity?  Oh yes, the wind.  Uh huh.  Where are we going to dispose of the batteries?  Tell me more.  I'm simply fascinated by your lack of brainpower.

151

lets do a thought experiment.

My "pursuit of happiness" is to be in a world surrounded by big tits.

So the government should mandate all women to have big tits, but don't worry, they will subsidize that by taxing other women who already have them so its all gravy, and they will protect my "right" to a pursuit of happiness by telling women with big tits they cannot hack their god-crafted breasts off because of back pain.

 

You see the utter selfishness and stupidity of this? (Actually besides the DDtax it would be pretty awesome) This was the point of the SD proposal on guns. If the government can mandate your behavior through forced purchase on something you agree with they certainly can do it on something you disagree with. It is a bad precedent.

152 And if you think that Grahamnesty is an insufferable d-bag now, just imagine him (and the Maine Sistahs) with a 50-50 Senate.

Exactly.  Let's replace them all with Democrats!  At least we know how they'll vote!  Anything to rid ourselves of the agony of uncertainty! 

153 You are cruel MJ.  We like toying with the lib mouseys before we kill them.

154 149 Germaine is the least talented of the Jacksons.

I actually LOL'ed.

155 I'm going to name my next stroke after MJ.

156

The selfishness in the HC debate is NOT on the side of the majority that has it. It is on the minority that DEMANDS they get something they didn't qualify or pay for just because they are sick and someone else should pay for their misfortune. They do not care that the costs to everyone else who already pay will explode, or that the quality of care will decline, or that other nations like the UK, Sweden and Canada are all quietly rolling back "free" health care because it isn't fucking free.

They don't care. They are sick, and they have special illnesses, and we all have to bend over backwards for them.

Again, I have an illness- I need to see huge tits everywhere I go. Why? Just because! How dare you intrude on my rights! ELEVENTY!!

157 I would rather have a liberal representing me than someone who is closer to my ideology -- I mean, unless he's *exactly* my ideology, then I want him to run and lose to prove a point.  But someone who's in my party, contributes to control of the Senate and votes with me on all the important things like confirming judges, opposing the DREAM Act and repealing Obamacare?  Fuck no, who would want that?  Maybe a RINO, or a fake conservative concern troll. 

158 CAC:

What about us ass-men?

159 If you want to figure out if someone is posting as a troll or a sock, go to Google (or Bing) and type in minx.cc (xxxxx)....putting their hash in.  You'll be able to figure out pretty quickly who's socking and who's a real troll.

160 You know why I hate Scott Brown?  Because he's the most popular politician in Massachusetts right now despite being a Republican who has voted with us on everything that matters. 

That offends my sense of propriety.  Pretty soon people are going to start sending Republicans and conservatives to the Senate from all sorts of strange, formerly blue states. 

And I won't feel special anymore.

161 Alright, enough sockery for me. 

But fuck, I really wish we had control of the Senate right now.

162 Uh, Barack?? Maybe it wasn't such a big fucking deal after all

163 Oh, and toby -

The reasons Roberts may well not be on board are many, but for one I'm very concerned that he's on the wrong side of Comstock jurisprudence (ask Malor, he'll explain).

Also, Kennedy really, really, dislikes Obama on a personal level.  I know from his clerks.  Don't underestimate the powers of personal pique when it comes to swing voters on SCOTUS.

164 But fuck, I really wish we had control of the Senate right now.

Of course.  And people in hell want ice water.  



Anyway, spill it, jeff.  Why do we need to worry about Justice Roberts on HC?  You threw that out yesterday but didn't elaborate.

165 Never mind.  I should have hit refresh.

166

#159

sensitivity training to "correct" your thoughts.

also we can fund artists through the NEA to "promote" my plans.

 

See? I really tapped into the left's thought process here...

167 I'm going to name my next stroke after MJ. ------------ Awesome. My middle name is CountRodMaster von Hugenstein.

168 Comstock v. Wilson ?

169 Attach it to everything from here until the next Presidential inauguration. Even after it passes the first time.

170 U.S. v Comstock, concerning interpretation of the Necessary and Proper clause.

171 159 CAC:

What about us ass-men?

Posted by: sifty at February 01, 2011 02:35 PM (z5j8j)

Word.

172 U.S. v Comstock, concerning interpretation of the Necessary and Proper clause.

Then we're boned.  It was a 7-2 decision.

173 I've got the diabeetus as well.  And yet, I have health insurance.

What I cannot seem to get, without paying an astronomical amount of money, is life insurance.

FREE LIFE INSURANCE IS A RIGHT!!!!!

174

Tea Party Purist Moron (yemTi) = Jeff B.

Makes perfect sense.

175 Then we're boned.  It was a 7-2 decision.

Not necessarily boned, but let's just say that it would be a big mistake to rely upon the court to overturn Obamacare.  The way we're going to do it is through legislative action with a GOP president in 2013. 

Which is why I care so fucking much about electing as many Republicans as possible to the Senate and choosing a Presidential candidate that gives us a real shot at winning.  That's the only way out.

176 Posted by: Ronster at February 01, 2011 03:22 PM (1F/m

Umm...that's old news.  Somebody didn't read the thread in its entirety.

177 Umm...that's old news.  Somebody didn't read the thread in its entirety.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 01, 2011 03:25 PM (yemTi)

My most sincere apology Dear Sir.

178

he's the most popular politician in Massachusetts right now despite being a Republican who has voted with us on everything that matters. 

I'm so glad we have you to determine what matters.

Could you imagine if I got to call the shots about what matters to me? It would be chaos. I'd be liable to vote for a libertarian.

Oh wait... I DO vote for libertarians.

FYNQ.

179 A good friend of mine has type II Diabetes. No insurance company will cover her. This should not be a political issue to get her the coverage she needs, but instead you people just want to say no and use this for some political advantage. Obama will make sure my friend gets the help she needs regardless of you Republicants.

Posted by: Kelly at February 01, 2011 01:39 PM (cs819)

I was getting teary eyed reading your friend's story.  Then I realized it's bullshit. The truth is you, your friend, me, and everyone else is responsible for their own health and medical coverage. I have had Type I diabetes for 26 years, and my insurance company gladly provides coverage for my medication, pump supplies, doctor visits, and if necessary hospitalization.  There are plenty of insurance plans available to diabetics.  All you need to do is pay the premium not beg others to pay it for you.

Just like we diabetics must sacrifice and make lifestyle changes to maintain their blood sugar levels and their health, we must sacrifice to pay our insurance premiums.  If a type one diabetic of 26 years such as myself can get and keep medical coverage so can your friend.  It's all a matter of what your priority is and what you choose to spend your money on.

Nice try though...

180 Temps been steadily dropping dropping the front blew through here early this morning.  Inside temps been declining too and the heater just clicked on to maintain a minimally comfortable 64.  I fear the heater will not stop running until next week. 

181

They vote with us on piddling, useless shit like repealing ObamaCare

Which hasn't happened yet. I'm not sure but I don't think these Grade A's are gonna sprout 12 chickens if I leave them in the fridge too long.

Besides...

or stopping the omnibus spending bill,

Yes thank god they stopped that! Oh wait... they didn't.

Imagine if we only had 41 Jim DeMints, what would they have done, fillibuster it? Well.. yes. Yes they would have.

Empirically speaking 41 DeMints would have done more for you than 51 or 55 75 of your average republican on the TARP and the porkulus.

Same goes for OBAMACARE. Thank god they're voting to repeal it in a symbolic bill that everyone knows will not pass. After they let O-Care pass in the first place.

Fact: 49 republicans, or for that matter 55 republicans, often fail to do what 41 conservatives could be relied upon to.

REPEAL OBAMACARE?

A country with a permanent minority of 41 Jim DeMints and Rand Pauls is a country that will never have socialized medicine in the first place.

or shooting down the DREAM Act...

Which half of those goobers you're talking about started the push for under Bush. When they do nothing for you, you excuse their incompitence and credit them anyway for trying, but when they actively try to harm you and fail, you excuse their incompitence and don't discredit them for trying.

Do you ever wonder why our 'betters' are all incompitent fools?

182

Obama is really the root of the problem suffered by Kelly's friend. I blame the Skittles. She needs to get the Unicorns out of the house, stat.

183 63 Obama will make sure my friend gets the help she needs

Here's a tapeworm, dear!

Posted by: Ol' President Bony Ass at February 01, 2011 01:53 PM (FcR7P)

Teh funny! I recall the Oregon Health Plan chose to buy blenders for its supplicants because they were cheaper than a new set of chompers.

184 Now with the solar powered blenders, its even more better than before.

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