September 19, 2011
— Ace Supposedly.
Read Nice Deb's link for a round-up for the chatter, which seems to have been provoked chiefly by Paul Gigot's belief that he must be thinking about it.
But note that Paul Gigot offers no claims that he knows anything factual -- his belief is based on what he imagines is going on behind-the-scenes.
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Posted by: joncelli at September 19, 2011 10:38 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: J at September 19, 2011 10:39 AM (LlC1G)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 19, 2011 10:40 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: runningrn at September 19, 2011 10:41 AM (0fUOB)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 19, 2011 10:41 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Navycopjoe aka uber palinista at September 19, 2011 10:42 AM (iGzDt)
Posted by: mugiwara at September 19, 2011 10:42 AM (D5hxK)
So, is he going to fill the void between Romney and Perry left by TPaw's exit?
I'm still Perry, the trouble he was in last week was due to attacks from the right. I don't see the big man any better on immigration, any better on spending or Obamacare. Worse on guns.
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 19, 2011 10:43 AM (NCw5u)
Just like we would hear with you know who?
Posted by: Navycopjoe aka uber palinista at September 19, 2011 02:42 PM (iGzDt)
He'd probably take votes from Romney and we'd get Perry...
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 19, 2011 10:44 AM (NCw5u)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 10:44 AM (lNGfM)
Posted by: Joffen at September 19, 2011 10:44 AM (EPcuy)
I think he's smart enough to realize that this is not the year for that.
Navycopjoe- the difference is that Chris Christie hasn't been teasing about it for 3 years now.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 10:44 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 19, 2011 10:44 AM (eOXTH)
For the love of all that is holy, let this not take place. He's fine where he's at. Let him stay there and do good. The next republican primary race is going to be messed up enough without this. Most of the ones currently in it are disposable. Perry will win out in the end (I believe) and if the others get torn up, no great loss. Let's not drag any of our better, more useful leaders into this internecene conflict.
Only incompetent buffoonery will lose to Obie this time. Let's just get this done, and spend the next 4-8 years building a better bench for the next go around.
Posted by: Reactionary at September 19, 2011 10:45 AM (xUM1Q)
Republican primaries are meh.
Now we may have the Democrat primaries to look forward to. Popcorn and pudding.
Posted by: Roy at September 19, 2011 10:46 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: joncelli at September 19, 2011 10:46 AM (RD7QR)
I think this is like the Paul Ryan thing. A lot of media conservatives aren't happy with the Perry/Romney option so they're tried to force a run of someone else.
Posted by: Ben at September 19, 2011 10:46 AM (wuv1c)
Let's face it, the only decision Palin ever made quickly was the one to bail out of the governor's office.
And please, criticize away. I liked Palin, but I am just sick of her schtick. It's gotten old.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 19, 2011 10:46 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 10:47 AM (lNGfM)
Posted by: Navycopjoe aka uber palinista at September 19, 2011 10:47 AM (iGzDt)
Posted by: Ann Coulter at September 19, 2011 10:47 AM (znT2j)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 19, 2011 10:47 AM (0M3AQ)
Heh, he'd be a half-term governor who entered the primary season late...
We all know who this would benefit, of course...
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 19, 2011 10:48 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: dogfish at September 19, 2011 10:48 AM (NuPNl)
Now we may have the Democrat primaries to look forward to. Popcorn and pudding.
Posted by: Roy at September 19, 2011 02:46 PM (VndSC)
That would be good fun indeed. Unless, of course, somehow they found another silver-tongued deceiver, of minority race, who was actually able to primary out Obie. As long as Obama is primaried out by another black person the Dems will come out to the good of such a trade. They only suffer if a light skinned person primaries Obama.
Posted by: Reactionary at September 19, 2011 10:48 AM (xUM1Q)
Wishcasting is wishcasting, even it if it's for something you want.
Not happening.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 19, 2011 10:49 AM (y07gN)
That's weaksauce. I don't believe for a moment that Christie only just now started thinking about this (if, indeed, it's even true).
Posted by: Kensington at September 19, 2011 10:49 AM (znT2j)
Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2011 10:49 AM (l5dj7)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at September 19, 2011 10:49 AM (jiVmv)
Posted by: USA at September 19, 2011 10:50 AM (6Cjut)
Posted by: Navycopjoe aka uber palinista at September 19, 2011 10:50 AM (iGzDt)
Fortunately there are no concerns regarding Christie, am I right guys?
Posted by: Methos is bored at September 19, 2011 10:50 AM (sOXQX)
Posted by: The Q at September 19, 2011 10:51 AM (CJIam)
This must be what it feels like when a woman's water breaks.
Posted by: Ann Coulter at September 19, 2011 02:47 PM
And then it turns out she merely peed her pants.
Posted by: arhooley at September 19, 2011 10:51 AM (zBZgA)
Posted by: Joffen at September 19, 2011 10:52 AM (EPcuy)
Posted by: Sarah Palin (TM) at September 19, 2011 10:52 AM (hhVlv)
Posted by: Nickie Goomba at September 19, 2011 10:52 AM (jeLTI)
Publically. Who cares what people think privately?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 19, 2011 10:52 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: dogfish at September 19, 2011 10:52 AM (NuPNl)
Posted by: joncelli at September 19, 2011 10:53 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 19, 2011 10:53 AM (0M3AQ)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 10:53 AM (lNGfM)
He is, IMO, in the same camp I have Romney in...neither get my vote in the general.
Force me to choose between the two for thread's sake and I'd choose Fattie, I guess. I at least know he is conservative fiscally. Not sure Romney is, despite Jeff Flake's endorsement-cramp today.
Posted by: The Hammer at September 19, 2011 10:54 AM (7WMGf)
Posted by: Joffen at September 19, 2011 02:44 PM (EPcuy)
Don't wish that experience on anybody. Sorry about that.
Posted by: dogfish at September 19, 2011 10:54 AM (NuPNl)
If the Fatman should decided to run, I sure hope we can look forward to some blatant, Left-quality lies about him in the sidebar!
He's a fine governor of this unmanagable state, but he'd be a crap president for conservatives. All the baggage and none of the results.
Posted by: spongeworthy at September 19, 2011 10:54 AM (rplL3)
Posted by: Joffen at September 19, 2011 10:54 AM (EPcuy)
Christie hasn't been crashing other people's parties (Mitt's announcement speech/Ames), going on campaign style bus tours or giving speeches in IA and NH.
Christie also hasn't been criticizing candidates while refusing to say if he's in or not.
Other than all of that the Christie/Palin stuff is EXACTLY the same.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 19, 2011 10:55 AM (y07gN)
Posted by: Jollyroger at September 19, 2011 10:55 AM (NCw5u)
He is, IMO, in the same camp I have Romney in...neither get my vote in the general.
Oh no. No. Stop. Dear god, not this.
Posted by: arhooley at September 19, 2011 10:55 AM (zBZgA)
At least, that's what I've been told. Ahem.
Posted by: Kerry at September 19, 2011 10:55 AM (a/VXa)
Posted by: WalrusRex at September 19, 2011 10:55 AM (jUZRg)
Posted by: Nickie Goomba at September 19, 2011 10:55 AM (jeLTI)
Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2011 10:56 AM (l5dj7)
Posted by: AoSHQ Stylebook at September 19, 2011 10:57 AM (GTbGH)
Anyway, he's not running. At most, he might be offering himself for the cabinet 2012, but I think he prefers being Da Big Man of Joisey.
Posted by: arhooley at September 19, 2011 10:57 AM (zBZgA)
Posted by: LaQuisha Johnston at September 19, 2011 10:57 AM (48wze)
He is, IMO, in the same camp I have Romney in...neither get my vote in the general.
Oh no. No. Stop. Dear god, not this.
Posted by: arhooley at September 19, 2011 02:55 PM (zBZgA)
Should I have prefaced my post with "Stop me if you've heard this before"? : )
Posted by: The Hammer at September 19, 2011 10:58 AM (7WMGf)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 10:58 AM (lNGfM)
Posted by: WalrusRex at September 19, 2011 10:59 AM (jUZRg)
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2011 10:59 AM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: Joffen at September 19, 2011 02:44 PM (EPcuy)
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Sometimes God painfully tears you away from where you shouldn't be to get you to where you should be. Brace yourself for the journey. You are in my prayers. --------------------------------------------- So true in my case. I converted to Catholicism after my divorce. 2 ways you can go, Joffen. Deeper into despair, or onward and upward towards happiness and fulfillment. I chose the latter, but brother, it's gonna hurt in the beginning. Stay strong and God bless.
Posted by: Spiker at September 19, 2011 10:59 AM (Y227l)
It is considered a breach of etiquette to link to the NY Times without a warning. Some people have weak stomachs...and hearts...and sphincters.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 19, 2011 11:00 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 02:53 PM (lNGfM)
Yeah, given our need to undo decades old programs that are seen as untouchable, why in the world would we need a guy who has done that in one of the bluest states in the country. And he did it with Democratic buy in and oh yeah is at about 50% approval.
Who needs that? What use could that be in a budget and entitlement reform fight?
Oh yeah, why would the GOP want to nominate a guy who probably wins NJ, makes a victory in PA a better than 50/50 proposition and even puts NY in play?
He's not going to be a dream conservative but he's damn good on a lot of issues and he's the best we have with the economic ones.
Nah, the guy brings nothing to the game.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 19, 2011 11:00 AM (y07gN)
Posted by: Flaccid Fred at September 19, 2011 11:00 AM (OlN4e)
Posted by: oblig. at September 19, 2011 11:01 AM (xvZW9)
Since you clearly don't want the divorce can I have it?
If Christie can learn from Mitten's mistake and enter the campaign in full apology mode for being a gun grabbing dhimmi, I think he could do very well, might even vote for him.
Posted by: Bob Saget at September 19, 2011 11:01 AM (F/4zf)
Posted by: willow at September 19, 2011 11:01 AM (h+qn8)
Posted by: nati at September 19, 2011 11:03 AM (zmGQc)
honest question, I'm for sale
Posted by: willow at September 19, 2011 11:03 AM (h+qn8)
Posted by: USA at September 19, 2011 11:03 AM (6Cjut)
Posted by: kansas at September 19, 2011 11:03 AM (mka2b)
Nah, the guy brings nothing to the game.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 19, 2011 03:00 PM (y07gN)
Not at the top of the ticket. He has been too emphatic in his denials, and an announcement now will look craven. But as a VP candidate being drafted for the good of the country? Absolutely.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 19, 2011 11:03 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Christie Campaign Solgan Evaluation Committee at September 19, 2011 11:04 AM (QKKT0)
Displaying your stupidity so early in the thread? You should have saved some for later.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 19, 2011 11:05 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 11:05 AM (lNGfM)
Posted by: Nickie Goomba at September 19, 2011 11:06 AM (jeLTI)
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2011 11:06 AM (Xm1aB)
Guns - -
Regulation +
Islam - - -
Borders - - -
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 19, 2011 11:06 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 11:07 AM (lNGfM)
Also, wasn't that ass Wilson the only POTUS from NJ?
Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 19, 2011 11:08 AM (136wp)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 19, 2011 03:03 PM (LH6ir)
Meh, it's a one day story and then the issues take over.
He won't be VP, he's too big (in many ways) to play second fiddle. Romney can't take him (2 Northeast guys? Nah). Perry? Doesn't seem like a fit to me.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 19, 2011 11:09 AM (y07gN)
Posted by: Joffen at September 19, 2011 11:09 AM (EPcuy)
See Planes, Trains, Automobiles - "Those aren't pillows, Perry"
Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 19, 2011 11:10 AM (136wp)
He's another believer in a 'mystery energy' of the future that will suddenly appear out of nowhere to replace coal and oil.. like Obama. Not good. Let him be first without power if he loves that stance. He's also an open borders guy. Easy to do when you live in the NE.. Live in CA or AZ? You'll be ready to hang yourself after hearing this crap. 12% unemployment in CA (not a typo), and we're being overrun, with Mexican nationals running our legislature passing all these 'free shit for illegals' bills by the bushel while citizens are 3 months away from being homeless. Shit is really bad here. We've got no sympathy for ANYONE who is open borders. They are suicidal. The rest of the country will soon find out how destructive a flood of uneducated, socially protected, welfare leeches are on our country. This is why CA is fucked. Not rocket science folks
Of the 20 million++ illegals in the country, half of them live in SoCal alone.. if not higher. Christie isn't a conservative.. He made no brainer points about pensions and became a youtube hit. thats about it.
Posted by: Billy Barty at September 19, 2011 11:12 AM (LqEzN)
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2011 11:12 AM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: DrewM. at September 19, 2011 03:09 PM (y07gN)
Interesting that you say that. I think it's a great fit. Perry will draw the South, evangelicals, Texans, etc. Christie has a shot at the Northeast, and with some tempering of his oversized persona can attract the Midwest.
If you are talking about personalities, they are both plain-spoken men, although Christie is a masterful debater. I don't see a conflict.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 19, 2011 11:13 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: The Regular Guy at September 19, 2011 11:13 AM (qHCyt)
*Hat tip: MST3K"
Is that a Joe Don Baker joke?
Posted by: Kensington at September 19, 2011 11:13 AM (znT2j)
Posted by: Christie Campaign Solgan Evaluation Committee at September 19, 2011 03:04 PM (QKKT0)
Heh, nicely played.
Posted by: ErikW at September 19, 2011 11:14 AM (1m+Pl)
41 @18 - if you even *think* so move now to protect yourself it can't hurt. Get new checking acct and have your check go there or just change to a paper check. Now. Anything else move it. Now.
Totally agree! Even if you think you still love her and could work things out....lawyers have a way of taking control and making sure that can't happen. Laws *may* say 50-50 but that doesn't keep judges from "protecting innocent women and children" at your expense even if they're not so innocent.
Best of luck my friend.
Posted by: MrObvious at September 19, 2011 11:14 AM (2uovW)
Regulation +
Islam - - -
Borders - - -
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 19, 2011 03:06 PM (LH6ir)
I'm assuming those are His negatives? hmm, that doesn't sound so sweet.
Posted by: willow at September 19, 2011 11:15 AM (h+qn8)
Wife and I have been on the verge of a divorce for nearly 15 years. Constant counselling to try and keep it together for the kids. We've both looked at the downside effect on kids, and at the probable financial disaster a divorce would cause and have determined staying together, as unpleasant as it can be, is the best choice. Some days good, some days not so much. Funny how life turns out sometimes.
Good luck.
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2011 03:12 PM (Xm1aB)
that's a yes , sometimes life isn't sweet we just do it for the kids.
Posted by: willow at September 19, 2011 11:16 AM (h+qn8)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 11:16 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2011 11:18 AM (Xm1aB)
I think it's more a personality thing. They are both sort of bigger than life characters. It's hard to see how Christie would work playing second string to Perry (or anyone).
Posted by: DrewM. at September 19, 2011 11:19 AM (y07gN)
Posted by: davidinvirginia at September 19, 2011 11:19 AM (ED4oz)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 11:20 AM (lNGfM)
Given the actual amount of authority the VP would hold? Certainly. The question is how noisy it would get. Well publicized arguments between the Pres and VP would be bad.
Count me in with those who say "Don't want" to a Christie run- for pretty well the same reasons.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 11:20 AM (8y9MW)
Guns? Even Democrats know they can't grab guns anymore.
Immigration? If Bush and his sellouts couldn't do it, Christie and a hardcore GOP Congress wouldn't dare
Posted by: The Q at September 19, 2011 11:21 AM (CJIam)
He'd make a good attack dog, which is the VP slot's job. It would be fun to see him take on "Plugs" Biden.
Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 19, 2011 11:21 AM (136wp)
"41@18 - if you even *think* so move now to protect yourself it can't hurt. Get new checking acct and have your check go there or just change to a paper check. Now. Anything else move it. Now."
Joffen -THIS and protect your kids, if you have any. My late brother was in a 15 year custody battle until the day he died! Document everything!
And take care of yourself. ((hugs))
Posted by: Nora at September 19, 2011 11:23 AM (VxqUc)
If Obama wins, I think that's exactly the race you'll see in 2016, unless GOP voters couldn't live with having a NY-NJ race and Rubio is ready to roll.
Posted by: The Q at September 19, 2011 11:23 AM (CJIam)
What would he do after the first 30 seconds?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 19, 2011 11:23 AM (LH6ir)
What would he do after the first 30 seconds?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 19, 2011 03:23 PM (LH6ir)
Skin 'em, gut 'em and fire 'em up!
Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 19, 2011 11:24 AM (136wp)
I think my wife and I are getting a divorce.
Mine did me when I was over there in '68. It was nasty, but word to the wise women...never divorce your husband when he's an hour's drive from Bangkok. I had my pecker in the air so much I almost caught pnumonia.
Worked out tho. Been married 39 years to #2 and it gets better every day.
Posted by: trainer at September 19, 2011 11:25 AM (Rojyk)
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2011 11:26 AM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 11:26 AM (lNGfM)
I don't know who came up with the term "Fat Mittens", but I'm going to use it.
Fat Mittens needs to stay exactly where he is now.
Posted by: As If! at September 19, 2011 11:27 AM (LyOUH)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 11:28 AM (lNGfM)
Posted by: willow at September 19, 2011 11:28 AM (h+qn8)
Not nearly as important as shifting your accountants to your own name, but remember to change beneficiaries on your life insurance policies to someone other than the ex-to-be. And remember to not let this consume your life.
Posted by: Penfold at September 19, 2011 11:30 AM (1PeEC)
Posted by: Joffen at September 19, 2011 11:32 AM (EPcuy)
Posted by: Penfold at September 19, 2011 11:32 AM (1PeEC)
Those arguments were wrong, then, because they were arguments to put more squishes in the Congress.
The Christie argument involves putting more firebreathers in Congress. Don't let him choose the Senate and House candidates, but let them ride his coattails to victory
Posted by: The Q at September 19, 2011 11:32 AM (CJIam)
Oh yeah, why would the GOP want to nominate a guy who probably wins NJ, makes a victory in PA a better than 50/50 proposition and even puts NY in play?
He's not going to be a dream conservative but he's damn good on a lot of issues and he's the best we have with the economic ones.
Nah, the guy brings nothing to the game.
Posted by: DrewM
This is funny. Drew is in sneer mode, and openly says that Christie will "probably" win the state of which he's the governor. Goodie. And now we have prospects in PA and NY? Really? Any polling to substantiate this? How is this any different from the 'lack of reality' that dreaded palin supporters show?
And do we have any polling indicating that we don't slide in the South? it is very telling and very useful to know if a candidate (ex: Palin) cannot command the base, and may alienate independants. It'd be kinda nice to know something about this where Christie is concerned.
Also: If this rumor is true, what does this indicate? Is Christie thinking that even a ham sandwich ould beat obama now, and since he's consumed several dozen (daily) it's go time? Or is this a reaction to the latest round of Rasmussan polling showing Perry slipping? That since no one seems to be closing the deal, Christie might as well try? If so, is he our savior, or a dreaded opportunist (even though he deosn't wear a skirt)?
Posted by: Mr Smee at September 19, 2011 11:33 AM (326rv)
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2011 11:33 AM (Xm1aB)
Wife and I have been on the verge of a divorce for nearly 15 years. Constant counselling to try and keep it together for the kids. We've both looked at the downside effect on kids, and at the probable financial disaster a divorce would cause and have determined staying together, as unpleasant as it can be, is the best choice. Some days good, some days not so much. Funny how life turns out sometimes.
Good luck.
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2011 03:12 PM (Xm1aB)
that's a yes , sometimes life isn't sweet we just do it for the kids.
Posted by: willow at September 19, 2011 03:16 PM (h+qn
I'm sorry, Joffen.
As for the doing it for the kids part, I had a different take on it. I believe that, as kids, it doesn't matter what we're told or how our friends' houses are, what we live with is what we believe is normal. I did not want my kids to think that what they saw going on in our house was normal. I'm not saying that what you, Dave and willow, have decided to do is wrong. You're doing what you believe is right and only you know what is best for your kids.
Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at September 19, 2011 11:34 AM (fk/lm)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 11:34 AM (lNGfM)
Pundit: "You should run, Gov. Christie"
Christie: "NO, I'm not running."
Pundit: "You're just saying that, you big tease. You're considering it at least, right?"
Christie: "Sigh... for the twentieth time- I've made up my mind NOT to run. Again, I am not running nor am I even considering it."
Pundit: "OK, but what if an industrial accident results in all the declared candidates being turned into zombies and you're the only one left who could stop Zombie Obama from getting re-elected?"
Christie: "Well, in that very unlikely scenario I'd certainly have to consider it".
Pundit: "I KNEW IT!!! Christie might run!!!"
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 19, 2011 11:35 AM (Jl4kG)
my husband and i decided to stay for kids and finances, and we had to work on becoming friends, It is ok, i'm not sorry.
some people really can't do this irreconcilable and all that ,i get that.
Posted by: willow at September 19, 2011 11:36 AM (h+qn8)
No shit. I am watching (from a distance because they moved to Vegas last Summer/Fall) my parents get a divorce after 44 years of marriage. My mom is rooming with a guy (the son of a friend she met on the internet) who is about a decade younger than me.
Posted by: Penfold at September 19, 2011 11:36 AM (1PeEC)
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2011 11:37 AM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 11:38 AM (lNGfM)
hurt feeling and souls. some have a tough time of it and do silly stuff.
Posted by: willow at September 19, 2011 11:39 AM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 11:40 AM (lNGfM)
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 19, 2011 11:40 AM (bvJ5Y)
Hang in there, Joffen. Lots of good advice on this thread. I'd suggest that if you have any collectible/valuable items (guns, coins, etc) that you get them out of the house and with a trusted friend.
Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at September 19, 2011 11:41 AM (fk/lm)
Posted by: Zombie J.W. Booth at September 19, 2011 11:42 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Ima Wurdibitsch at September 19, 2011 03:41 PM (fk/lm)
i would add any family stuff that you have been given (from your family)
Posted by: willow at September 19, 2011 11:43 AM (h+qn8)
Immigration? If Bush and his sellouts couldn't do it, Christie and a hardcore GOP Congress wouldn't dare
Yeah... here's the thing (and it's my same problem with Romney): You have to give me something positive to vote for- not just excuses or mitigating factors for the negatives.
And, yes, I know that Christie is a big Fiscal Conservative, but his polices have not yet borne fruit. I'm relatively certain they will, but let's leave him where he is until then, okay? And, other than his fiscal conservatism, tell me where he's conservative? He's not nearly upset enough about terrorism, he's weak on the border, he doesn't mind laws outlawing guns. I'm not sure where he is on the pro-life/pro-abortion scale, and I don't know where he stands on other other social/national security issues.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 19, 2011 11:44 AM (8y9MW)
Oddly, they are just roommates since my mom is disabled due to a series of back injuries. My mom essentially moved to Houston for medical care (her spine is more steel than anything else and she is in constant pain), but has no immediate plans to return to Vegas to complete the divorce. It is sad and there is nothing I can do, so i don't think about it much. I don't know how my dad handles it, since my mom won't sign any paperwork, won't get a lawyer or do anything about moving the divorce forward since she decided in March of this year.
Posted by: Penfold at September 19, 2011 11:46 AM (1PeEC)
"He's not going to be a dream conservative but he's damn good on a lot of issues and he's the best we have with the economic ones. "
Good on economic issues, abortion and gay marriage.
Bad on guns and global warming. (Real bad on guns actually)
Perhaps bad on War on Terror (Ground Zero Mosque) but need more info.
Immigration -- ok with me but many would think bad.
My biggest drawback is his bullying tendency. I do not think that plays well with "independent" voters in the long run.
Posted by: Bob from Ohio at September 19, 2011 11:46 AM (ROFkf)
Posted by: chillin the most for Perry at September 19, 2011 11:47 AM (6IV8T)
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2011 11:47 AM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: Penfold at September 19, 2011 03:46 PM (1PeEC
Penfold, ugh sounds tough.
Maybe your dad should just protect himself until she really decides what she wants.
of course this depends on everything they've gone through in the past. maybe it's not the end, only they know for sure.
Posted by: willow at September 19, 2011 11:48 AM (h+qn8)
We suspect that my mom is suffering from the effects the administration of long term prescription pain medication (about 20 years now, roughly). She is pretty doped up and, as I barely understand it, that can have effects on cognitive functions.
Posted by: Penfold at September 19, 2011 11:51 AM (1PeEC)
Posted by: Madelyn Ashton at September 19, 2011 11:52 AM (Xnxty)
154, Indeed. My folks stayed married but didn't sleep in the same room or even say more than abotu 5 words a week to each other from the time I was 16 until dad passed some 15 years later.
Looking back I think I would have preferred they divorce. They might as well have been since I had to deal with each of them independently like they were.
It warped my view of marriage and family so much I didn't marry until I was 27 and was afraid of becoming a dad for another decade.
On the plus side I do think the experience made me try harder to be a good husband and father.
Posted by: Scott J at September 19, 2011 11:53 AM (/bVuS)
His becoming active is a good sign. will hope the same for her.
Posted by: willow at September 19, 2011 11:53 AM (h+qn8)
Would Christie nominate constructionists or judicial activists for judge positions? Living breathing "social justice" down our necks...don't call it rain.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 19, 2011 11:53 AM (lpWVn)
so they both ended up unhappy .
yeah that's the other side of the coin.
Posted by: willow at September 19, 2011 11:55 AM (h+qn8)
Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at September 19, 2011 11:57 AM (OhYCU)
Willow, my dad was frightenly like the one played by Stacey Keach on "Titus" except he hid the drinking from us and we aren't aware of any womanizing.
But the whole "anti-charisma man" thing? Yup. He liked to wallow in misery and was going to make sure the rest of us did it with him.
Posted by: Scott J at September 19, 2011 11:59 AM (/bVuS)
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2011 12:01 PM (Xm1aB)
There is no perfect candidcate coming to save us. As much as I love Christie's willingness to fight the public employee unions, he will bleed support from purists because of some of his positions.
When a candidate is on the sideline, we project our hopes and dreams on him/her and they are exciting. Look at Bachman's rise, and then Perry's. Both of these candidates enjoyed high initial support based on high hopes. But rality bites and hoes fade in actual campaign where the record is exposed and the misstatements pile up.
At some point, we are going to have to get real about the candidates we have and stop pining for greener pastures. Christie is not the white knight (no racist!) that purists are looking for.
Posted by: California Red at September 19, 2011 12:01 PM (7uWb8)
/I don't blame the kids telling her to wait as long as possible. If it happens, let them stay home.
Posted by: maverick muse at September 19, 2011 12:03 PM (lpWVn)
I like how you ignore the part where he's the only candidate who has taken on entrenched interests to undue a killer long term fiscal problem.
As for sliding in the south, find me a southern state (or any state that went red last time) that is suddenly going to go for Obama if Christie is the nominee.
Perry is going to have a hard time competing in the Midwest (not impossible, but a hard one) and will be a non starter in the Northeast. Christie won't be a walk in the midwest but he'll do fine and he at the least forces Obama to play defense in states that Perry can't touch.
I'm not saying Christie is ideal but he's by far the one candidate we have that forces the Democrats to play on their own turf.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 19, 2011 12:05 PM (y07gN)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at September 19, 2011 12:06 PM (uVlA4)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 12:06 PM (lNGfM)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at September 19, 2011 12:08 PM (uVlA4)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 12:08 PM (lNGfM)
Posted by: blaster at September 19, 2011 12:08 PM (l5dj7)
I don't think anyone else mentioned this, but delete any accounts like Facebook, delete/change your personal email accounts, the amount of shit that is there is mindboggling. Now, if not earlier, is cover your ass time.
Posted by: Penfold at September 19, 2011 12:08 PM (1PeEC)
Sucks, but it's true.
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2011 03:26 PM (Xm1aB)
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True but his exwife falsely accused him of molesting my niece. He cleared his name but she was always suing him. Kids lived with mom so long that even though his name was cleared by court, twice, they believed her and didn't speak to him for the last three years of his life. They didn't even come to his funeral.
Posted by: Nora at September 19, 2011 12:10 PM (VxqUc)
North Carolina went for Obama last time, so that's not what he's referring to.
Furthermore, NC went blue because of 1.) massive African-American and youth turnout that almost certainly won't be replicated this time around (the novelty and enthusiasm is gone); 2.) a major swing by educated professional classes in the Research Triangle -- this is Christie's core constituency.
If anything, a Christie candidacy probably puts NC more securely in our column than any other candidates. You really need to understand the demographics of these states a little better.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 19, 2011 12:10 PM (hIWe1)
God you are a genius!
Oh wait...North Carolina voted for Obama last time.
<sad trombone for you>
Posted by: DrewM. at September 19, 2011 12:12 PM (y07gN)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 12:12 PM (lNGfM)
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2011 12:13 PM (Xm1aB)
Oh, sad trombone for you too.
Christie defunded Planned Parenthood.
Or does that not count as being pro-life?
Posted by: DrewM. at September 19, 2011 12:14 PM (y07gN)
And Joffen, that sucks, I'm truly sorry. As a child of divorce, the only advice I can give is that no matter whose side she may take in all this, if she does, just let her know you love her and want her in your life, and speak as little ill of her mother in front of her as you possibly can. No matter what sleaze arises, the truth will out someday, it always does, and when she grows up she'll see it and appreciate all you tried to do, I promise you. At least, that's how my relationship with my dad worked out.
But hey, you get the AOS family in the divorce, whether you want us or not, so that's something, right? 
Posted by: LizLem at September 19, 2011 12:14 PM (lSuMX)
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2011 12:16 PM (Xm1aB)
The "justice" system when it comes to kids in this country is well, if I posted what I really think from my experience with my brother and in that language in which I would use would get me banned not only from here but the internet.
There are a LOT of judges who are gonna find the afterlife pretty darn hot.
Thanks for representing dads - they really get screwed in this pc world.
Posted by: Nora at September 19, 2011 12:16 PM (VxqUc)
Posted by: km at September 19, 2011 12:16 PM (Xnxty)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 12:17 PM (lNGfM)
Posted by: Mr Smee at September 19, 2011 03:33 PM (326rv)
I like how you ignore the part where he's the only candidate who has taken on entrenched interests to undue a killer long term fiscal problem.
A. He's not a candidate yet.
B. I responded to your assertion about what states he could deliver. Which you ignored.
As for sliding in the south, find me a southern state (or any state that went red last time) that is suddenly going to go for Obama if Christie is the nominee.
I already noted that different Republicans candidates poll differently. my point was that we don't yet know how Christie will play nationally. You ignored that.
Perry is going to have a hard time competing in the Midwest (not impossible, but a hard one) and will be a non starter in the Northeast. Christie won't be a walk in the midwest but he'll do fine and he at the least forces Obama to play defense in states that Perry can't touch.
We don't know this. We can guess at it, but until you see credible polling involving Christie, these are guesses, not credible assertions.
I'm not saying Christie is ideal but he's by far the one candidate we have that forces the Democrats to play on their own turf.
Is this this a nice trick? Yes. Does this force them to spend money where they wouldn't otherwise spend? Yes. Will it mean jack unless these states go to divded EVs? No, not much.
Posted by: DrewM.
Posted by: Mr Smee at September 19, 2011 12:18 PM (326rv)
I thought you were talking about Tattos claim Christie won't enforce his pro-life views.
Sorry I screwed that up.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 19, 2011 12:19 PM (y07gN)
Posted by: Hard core conservative at September 19, 2011 12:20 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 12:20 PM (lNGfM)
Good luck.
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2011 03:12 PM (Xm1aB)
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Way to man up.
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<i>As for the doing it for the kids part, I had a different take on it. I believe that, as kids, it doesn't matter what we're told or how our friends' houses are, what we live with is what we believe is normal. I did not want my kids to think that what they saw going on in our house was normal. I'm not saying that what you, Dave and willow, have decided to do is wrong. You're doing what you believe is right and only you know what is best for your kids.</i>
Ima, that happens not to be the case. There are reams and reams of studies showing that divorced kids are more likely to be depressed, abuse drugs or alcohol, get social diseases, drop out, end up in broken relationships themselves, etc. This is even true if you compare divorced kids to kids whose parents are married but fight. Divorce is bad news. Don't kid yourself, if you get a divorce it *will* damage your kids.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 19, 2011 12:22 PM (epBek)
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2011 12:22 PM (Xm1aB)
Well since in your mind we can't make arguments about candidates or potential candidates without polling, there's no point talking about anything.
Of course, we could talk about how Perry is trailing Obama and Romney is leading him, so I guess we should hop on Team Mitt.
Personally, I'll pass.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 19, 2011 12:24 PM (y07gN)
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2011 12:26 PM (Xm1aB)
**Christie would be a way to say "all this swagger isn't just for Texas.**
Perry needs a way to temper the swagger, not to double down on it.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at September 19, 2011 12:27 PM (epBek)
Christie has only one thing to say to enlist my vote:
"You will have to pry this drum stick from my cold dead fingers you ugly f#cking diet queen".
Posted by: sTevo at September 19, 2011 12:27 PM (TD+FO)
We'll there's another one this week.
If he isn't any better this time, can we start to question him then? Or do we need to see how he does against Obama before we can tell for sure?
Posted by: DrewM. at September 19, 2011 12:28 PM (y07gN)
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2011 12:29 PM (Xm1aB)
If we would just chill and let it whittle down to the two candidates who are relevant (Bachmann having eliminated herself from contention in a way that I certainly hope folks are not asserting Perry has), then we'd see a very different dynamic.
Since Romney has already begun the mealy-mouthed "Obama is not a socialist" crap and has never really disavowed Masscare, I have real concerns about him being McCain 2.0 in the general. Perry, in contrast, has taken Obama to task during the past couple of years as governor. I would much rather run Perry against Obama than Romney.
If Christie does enter the race, he will simply be too liberal for a large fraction of the party. Personally, I like him. I'm from his neck of the woods and I love his style. But if Perry has already been smeared with the closet dhimmi thing, there is simply no way in god's green earth that Christie will escape unscathed.
It will be a disaster if Christie runs. An utter disaster.
Posted by: Y-not, Perry cultist (apparently) at September 19, 2011 12:29 PM (5H6zj)
I guess Bachmann's torpedoing of Perry for trying to tell the country the honest and ugly truth about Social Security was bound to diminish our chances of evicting the Precedent.
Well, as RINO-tastic as Christie may be to some, I'll take him over Romney-care any day.
Posted by: Rusty Nail at September 19, 2011 12:32 PM (HwE/1)
You know, DrewM, last week when you called me a cultist (or words to that effect) because you misinterpreted something I said in a post, I was composing a rather scathing reply -- but my power went out. Before it came back up I had some really awful news in my family so today is my first day back.
There are people on this site I respect. People I have offended inadvertently and felt awful about it.
You're not one of them.
Posted by: Y-not, Perry cultist (apparently) at September 19, 2011 12:32 PM (5H6zj)
I'm sorry about your bad personal news.
I'm not sure what you think I misrepresented but if you find it, I'd be happy to explain or apologize.
As for what you think of me, I'll go on just fine.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 19, 2011 12:37 PM (y07gN)
Well since in your mind we can't make arguments about candidates or potential candidates without polling, there's no point talking about anything.
Of course, we could talk about how Perry is trailing Obama and Romney is leading him, so I guess we should hop on Team Mitt.
Personally, I'll pass.
Posted by: DrewM
We certainly can talk about candidates. We can also make a distinction between what can be proven, what is likely and what is a wild assed guess. And we can also discuss whether not having a lock on your own state is a lead item on your presidential candidate dream list. Gore failed to carry Tennessee or Arkansas in 2000. Christie may not carry New Jersey. Even if we decide to be charitable and skip over it, I rather doubt the Dems will.
Posted by: Mr Smee at September 19, 2011 12:39 PM (6rX0K)
This is absolute crazytalk. Obama's approval rating in West Virginia is THE LOWEST OF ANY STATE IN THE UNION. Literally. West Virginians would sooner vote for Jacques Chirac than Barack Obama in 2012. The Republicans could nominate a Mike Castle/Arlen Specter ticket and take WV by 10%.
Again: you're not thinking critically about this, you're just shooting off from the hip.
Posted by: Jeff B. at September 19, 2011 12:42 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 12:43 PM (lNGfM)
Posted by: Joffen at September 19, 2011 12:44 PM (EPcuy)
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2011 12:46 PM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 12:46 PM (lNGfM)
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2011 12:47 PM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 12:48 PM (lNGfM)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 12:51 PM (lNGfM)
Posted by: Joffen at September 19, 2011 12:52 PM (EPcuy)
It will be a disaster if Christie runs. An utter disaster.
Posted by: Y-not, Perry cultist (apparently) at September 19, 2011 04:29 PM (5H6zj)
I think that many of us, you included, are underestimating the turnout of disgruntled Republicans, disillusioned independents, and newly-unemployed conservative Democrats. We are also overestimating the turnout of hard-core Democrats.
I have yet to meet a Republican who is not energized to vote against Obama. I have yet to meet a Democrat who is excited about the prospect of another Obama term.
We have this tremendous built-in advantage: Obama is a SCOAMF. But not just jokingly; he really is one. Let's not lose sight of that.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 19, 2011 12:52 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Joffen at September 19, 2011 04:52 PM (EPcuy)
Um...this is AOSHQ. Are you sure that you are on the correct site?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at September 19, 2011 12:53 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Joffen at September 19, 2011 04:44 PM (EPcuy)
I am sorry, Joffen. Hang in there.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at September 19, 2011 12:54 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: Joffen at September 19, 2011 12:54 PM (EPcuy)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 04:51 PM (lNGfM)
Yes it would. Fortunately for me, I never said that.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 19, 2011 12:55 PM (y07gN)
Posted by: Joffen at September 19, 2011 12:55 PM (EPcuy)
Posted by: Dave at September 19, 2011 12:58 PM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: steevy at September 19, 2011 12:58 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 01:00 PM (lNGfM)
Since among the many things you don't know is the difference between "probably" and stating something as a certainty , I'm done with you.
Have a nice life.
Posted by: DrewM. at September 19, 2011 01:02 PM (y07gN)
Posted by: Joffen at September 19, 2011 01:03 PM (EPcuy)
Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at September 19, 2011 01:05 PM (lNGfM)
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 19, 2011 01:10 PM (r4wIV)
christie will split the gop. anyone who can win in the northeast cannot honestly
win the potus. i am born and raised in big d and have lived the last 20 yrs
in the berkshires selling antiques to weekenders from nyc and jersey.
republicans in the north have nothing in common with the south. In texas
christie would never be invited!
Posted by: rick at September 19, 2011 01:46 PM (p6fyx)
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