March 20, 2011

CAC's Art Thread (NQSFWBSBTYBNTBSAJP edition)
— CAC

Well it is about that time again. Since last week the art thread has been moved to Sunday at the suggestion of a moron (I was too drunk to remember who) claiming it would serve better as a compliment to Monty's Book Thread (and inadvertently Ace's Film Review). Part 1 of my 10 part “Art Every Moron Should Know” begins here, with a review of Picasso's masterpiece Les Demoiselles d'Avignon (The Women of Avignon) and what it implicates today:

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Pablo Picasso. 1907. Oil on Canvas. (Museum of Modern Art, New York)
I am not actually bringing this painting up to glorify it, but rather as a critique on the state of contemporary art. Picasso created, in my opinion, the greatest work of the 20th century within its first decade. Let that sink in for a minute. I firmly believe not a single work of art created by any artist from 1907 through the new millenium can stack up to it. The turn of the century saw an explosion of invention and cultural shock. People were in trains, automobiles, and soon, airplanes. People, places and events were being transformed into packets of passing information. Art was forced to reflect this new reality with an explosion of styles, techniques and meanings. Impressionism. Pointillism. Expressionism. Primitivism. Futurism. Cubism. All of this occurred within a single generation. Elements of each of these developments can be seen in the painting above. The origins of cubism in the women towards the right. The influence of primitivism in the obvious use of African masks. The packeted style of late Cezanne in the breasts, limbs and curtains.

It is impossible for me to properly label this as any one particular movement, which is part of Picasso's brilliance- he never really stopped changing in the decades he painted (and even within his individual works as seen here). Braque, his partner in developing cubism, stayed true to their creation long after Picasso deemed it “worn out”. In 1907, at this very moment, Picasso was transitioning along with the art market, from a European taste to an American one. Americans had exploded onto the seen as a world power, with the rise of trusts, railroads, electrical wonders, oil, automobiles, mass produced whatchamacallits and a Roosevelt-powered modern naval fleet. Its rich weren't the typical Europeans who wanted their art dainty (neither did the modern city Europeans but they would be dead or crippled or severely disillusioned within a few years during the First World War so screw em for our discussion). The dynamism of the modern American demanded the newest, fastest, biggest, flashiest this that and the other thing. We invented mass production and the well-marketed concept of “this year's model” in roughly the same decade.

Picasso saw this happening and wasn't a fool. (Hat tip here to Dave Hickey, who was the first to really pick up on Picasso's market-driven artistic swings in The Invisible Dragon which is a fantastic read if you don't mind the images of fisting by Mapplethorpe). He took classical images- the Three Graces, the nude, the still life of fruit, the sensual colors of Romanticism, even the subject matter (a brothel scene). Yet all of that history yields to change. A quick, bold snapshot of changing perception. Mood. Taste. Legitimate changes, not the fraudulent puffery pushed by the excuse-peddlers of contemporary art, which hasn't seen a dynamic shift in forty years.

This is why this particular work is so important, and this is also a source of constant frustration for me as a lover of art. After a certain period of time, artists began to grow tired of the constant shift and stubbornly stand firm in their existing school. They can say otherwise, but the defenders of Abstract Expressionism and Pop (the first two American art movements) were fighting for relevancy with the rise of the Conceptualists and Minimalists who (correctly) implied that the formers work had run their course. The Neoexpressionists and "graffiti artists-of-the-week” were trying to stay relevant in a goofball market where their work had grown stale after the first auction. Even political artists I admire despite holding opposing views have grown tired and lazy- I won't even begin to go into my disgust with the 2006 Whitney Biennial.

Think of the most damning common modern criticism of art: “my kid can paint that.” As insulting as it is to here as an artist, in today's world it holds a grain boulder of truth. Of course your kid could draw that- existing forms of modern art have so well penetrated our culture that cubism, action-painting, color-emphasized abstraction and even impressionism are now child's play. Magritte's surrealist imagery took the form of a corporate logo (CBS' eye). Melting clocks are goofed in episodes of the Simpsons. The Warholian portrait effect is parodied from kids cartoon shows upwards.

“Show me something new” should be the constant demand made of gallery owners, museums and artists by the art-loving public. There is nothing wrong with seeing a contemporary artist paying homage to his forefathers or even pursuing that style and making it his own. But the concept of new, the dynamism it carries, should be the one singular thought as an artist progresses, as galleries expand, as museums acquire. The average piece at MoMA is over 60 years old, in the MOCA permanent collection, it predates my brother.

There are many, many contemporary artists I know personally who do just this. Some who have taken traditional representational painting and reinvigorated it. Abstractionists who can wow me with a new technique. Some of it is fantastic. A lot of it is crap. That risk of making garbage is necessary though, because without a constant desire to reflect the ever-shifting reality in which we live, our collective creative output becomes just that.

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MORON ART OF THE WEEK

As always, if you paint, sculpt, shoot, draw, assemble, or otherwise dabble in the visual arts, shoot a JPEG with Title, your AoS handle, dimensions, medium, dimensions and year HERE to see it on AoS and to have your fellow morons praise/laugh at you.

Dudeinsantacruz sent this image of Michael Moore's cat:

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Flame at Rest. Digital photo, 2008.

along with a haiku:
The Flame is resting.
His day was quite a good one.
He miss his balls? Nah.

Man of Substance sends in this but would like you to ignore the nuclear test going off in the background:

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My Front Yard. Digital Photo, 2011.

and Ken S sent in another pastel on paper:

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Arriving Somewhere...But Not Here. 2011 Pastel on paper.

Just to pad the thread out a bit more (and to irritate Kratos, but mainly to pad) here is the draft image #13 from my project critical of the FDA's collective jerk-off involving Avastin, Medical Tease, which took up way too much of my time for the last two months:

AVASTIN13

Always giving, I am (though not giving enough to link Images 3, 4, and 5. It is still family hour around here you know. Kratos' mom hasn't tucked him in yet). As a constant reminder when shown breasts in the Moron Art Museum, try to avoid fapping. It gets messy and we can't afford a cleaning lady with the Ewok's cutbacks.

Next week: a show review, more moron art, and your snark.

Posted by: CAC at 04:40 PM | Comments (93)
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1

Mmmmmm, boobies and more boobies!!!!!11!!

Posted by: Winston Wolf at March 20, 2011 05:13 PM (+gOvT)

2
Nekkid chicks kind of lose their appeal when rendered in modern art style.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 20, 2011 05:14 PM (9Lm5R)

3

I'll be in the shower

 

Posted by: Winston Wolf at March 20, 2011 05:15 PM (+gOvT)

4 (NQSFWBSBTYBNTBSAJP edition)
Like I don't understand art enough!

Posted by: NC Ref at March 20, 2011 05:15 PM (/izg2)

5 I'm a boring guy.Too me a great painting is phot realistic.I like Edouard Detaille and Don Troani.(yeah,I like military art).

Posted by: steevy at March 20, 2011 05:15 PM (vdKTF)

6 I cannot stand Picasso---he was a cretin. Don't care that much for his "masterpieces" too.

Give me Monet or Von Gogh any day.

Posted by: Double Ply at March 20, 2011 05:17 PM (ezdtY)

7 6 Yes,Monet is one of the few artists I "get".

Posted by: steevy at March 20, 2011 05:18 PM (vdKTF)

8 The Women is a great visual expression of objectification.  Dunno if CAC said it, but Avignon was a street where you went to pick up prostitutes, and the women are definitely presented as less than the sum of their parts. While I would contend that decent art was being made up to maybe 1960, Picasso is definitely my favorite out of 20th century visual artists.

Posted by: Truman North at March 20, 2011 05:20 PM (8ay4x)

9 Wait, is that young lassie sprouting vines from her ladybit nether region?

She could get that shit waxed.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at March 20, 2011 05:20 PM (qXJe4)

10 The Picasso reminds me of our office Christmas Party.

Posted by: CoolCzech at March 20, 2011 05:21 PM (kUaEF)

11 This so-called masterpiece looks like shit, a soil-building commodity that describes most modern art.

Posted by: Banjo at March 20, 2011 05:21 PM (nnZ5F)

12 Picasso was also interested in African masks during the time he painted this.  You can see a couple of the women have faces which imply masks, and specifically, African-style masks.

Posted by: Truman North at March 20, 2011 05:21 PM (8ay4x)

13 Is there some way I can get in on this exciting new trend in the arts that combines criticism of bureaucratic ineptitude and tits?

Posted by: Cicero at March 20, 2011 05:22 PM (veJzk)

14 Moron Art?
Pron? 


Posted by: Kemp at March 20, 2011 05:22 PM (JpFM9)

15

Picasso should have checked to see if that broad on the right was really a woman.

Posted by: Cicero at March 20, 2011 05:23 PM (veJzk)

16 Michelle Obama would not look out of place in that painting.

Posted by: nickless at March 20, 2011 05:23 PM (MMC8r)

17

Picasso was an anarchist.  The violent kind.  When he sat in Parisian cafes, drikning heavily and swearing in various Southern European languages at passers-by, he would always keep a pistol under his blouse.  That way, whenever anyone asked him for a light, he could stand up and shoot the pistol into the air to the shock of the assembled host.

I guess this makes more sense if you remember in French, the word for "light" as in lighting a cigarette is "fire."

So people would ask him, "Fire?"  And he would.

Posted by: Truman North at March 20, 2011 05:24 PM (8ay4x)

18 12 CAC mentioned that.I thought he just painted ugly broads.

Posted by: steevy at March 20, 2011 05:25 PM (vdKTF)

19 Michelle Obama would not look out of place in that painting.

Posted by: nickless at March 20, 2011 09:23 PM (MMC8r)

She wouldn't fit.

Posted by: CAC at March 20, 2011 05:25 PM (lV4Fs)

20 CAC- is your model for the last one there our own moronette, Joan?

Posted by: Truman North at March 20, 2011 05:26 PM (8ay4x)

21

#18

Actually Europeans at the time were deformed. You could see all sides of their face and body at the same time- it is why World War 1 was so devastating. Hard to hold a gun with 60 fingers.

Posted by: CAC at March 20, 2011 05:27 PM (lV4Fs)

22 8 I agree with your sentiments. Aaaaand I'll disagree that later 20th century was so bad, insofar as there are some truly epic artists who are still alive even. They're not that "famous" tho - perhaps only in local areas - but what on earth does famous artist even mean anymore? The "art world" is deader than dead. killed itself via incest and groupthink, long ago. If artists are able to work and live and produce and not stagnate, that's good enough. That's success.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 20, 2011 05:27 PM (SB0V2)

23 here is the draft image #13 from my project critical of the FDA's collective jerk-off involving Avastin, Medical Tease

I think I saw the same thing in some  Hentai. Thoses Japanese are FREAKS!

Posted by: Rocks at March 20, 2011 05:28 PM (th0op)

24 But no one ever called Pablo an asshole. That's what I heard, anyway. also wanted to say - excellent pastel there Ken!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at March 20, 2011 05:28 PM (SB0V2)

25
Limp and Shriveled: Picasso
The New Shadenboner: Spock's Scanner

Posted by: Hippie with a haircut at March 20, 2011 05:28 PM (rMMMP)

26 My mother-in-law supported her family making and selling distinctive pottery for 40 years.  In my estimation, an artist who can feed her family is a success.

Posted by: Truman North at March 20, 2011 05:29 PM (8ay4x)

27 “Show me something new” should be the constant demand made of gallery owners, museums and artists by the art-loving public. There is nothing wrong with seeing a contemporary artist paying homage to his forefathers or even pursuing that style and making it his own. But the concept of new, the dynamism it carries, should be the one singular thought as an artist progresses, as galleries expand, as museums acquire.

I enjoy your insights CAC, and definitely like your art threads showing moron art, but as an old-school, Aristotelian/Thomist sort, I'd be inclined to say that beauty is the objective of art, not novelty.  Certainly to create beautiful works which are new and fresh is desirable, but much contemporary art is alienating for the uninitiated because it is: a) often so damn ugly and arcane, and b) seemingly seeking to be "new" and "original" as opposed to beautiful and true.

Posted by: Fallen Sparrow at March 20, 2011 05:30 PM (l48cv)

28

In my estimation, an artist who can feed her family is a success.

Word.

Posted by: Thomas Kinkade, Painter of Light at March 20, 2011 05:31 PM (veJzk)

29 I never liked/got the appeal of Picasso. I liked Dali and the dude that did the dogs playing poker.

Posted by: Some Dude at March 20, 2011 05:31 PM (8p6Ar)

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 20, 2011 05:31 PM (9Lm5R)

31 Give me Escher or Rockwell any day of the week over picasso.

Posted by: McLovin at March 20, 2011 05:32 PM (o+bH/)

32 Always thought Picasso was over rated. And high most of the time.

I prefer Wyeth.

Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at March 20, 2011 05:35 PM (paOeu)

33 Can I get that on Velvet?

Posted by: USA at March 20, 2011 05:36 PM (YZISw)

34 @23
Yeah, I like your definition of success.

I'm not sure the quest to keep inventing new techniques for sake of "newness" is much of a goal. 

Although I'm not a fan of this painting, I do find the progression of Picasso's work interesting.  To me, the most fascinating thing about works like this are the influence that Cubism apparently had on literature, in particular T.S. Eliot's The Wasteland

Posted by: Y-not at March 20, 2011 05:36 PM (pW2o8)

35
but much contemporary art is alienating for the uninitiated because it is: a) often so damn ugly and arcane, and b) seemingly seeking to be "new" and "original" as opposed to beautiful and true.


It's worse than that. Contemporary art often holds the "artistic process" above all else. In other words, the value of art is measured by the internal mindthoughts of the artist, not the product itself, which is in fact, irrelevant.

I had an art professor in a survey class many years ago who talked about nothing else. Artistic process, artistic process, artistic process. Blah. Eventually, some wag in class just piped up with "so you're saying that art is masturbation, right?".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 20, 2011 05:37 PM (9Lm5R)

36 Of course, of 20th century artists I count George Tooker as at or near the top of my list: http://tinyurl.com/6lcxnex

Posted by: Fallen Sparrow at March 20, 2011 05:37 PM (l48cv)

37 Did you guys know i'm a little psychic? Just like those little Japanese girls in that old Japanese monster movie. I put this here because it concerns a movie in the future. Obama gets impeached. Mrs. Obama spends time for child slaughter. Some kid, famous, stupid hair, sings. She divorces her husband as he announces a sex change operation. Miss Michelle LaVaughn Robinson looses wieght. Gets a body lift and gets the lead role in Jackie Brown 2.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 20, 2011 05:38 PM (EiH7n)

38 8 The Women is a great visual expression of objectification.

Explain. Surely to "objectify" women is to revel in their beauty as their only important characteristic, arguably, though disputably, ignoring the soul and intellect within.

But that depiction is caricature, and entirely ugly and deformed and disdainful of the concept of beauty. Is that the joke? "You like their beauty, so I'll paint them as ugly and deformed ha ha ha?" What am I missing here?

Posted by: Splunge at March 20, 2011 05:39 PM (2IW5Q)

39 If Ace of Spades keeps posting art, is there any chance we could get in on the sweet sweet gravy from the National Endowment for the Arts? Just saying....

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at March 20, 2011 05:39 PM (ijjAe)

40 Admission: i am a an artist, to i dont know if i want to submit any of my art for the moron horde's approval.
That said, CAC you might  laugh but i was having a problem with lymph glands in my chest and your art helped me to visially see what was hurtin me, so i could explain it to the doc. LOLOL

so in some small way you saved me from lookin like a nitwit as i explained WHY i was sure it was the lymphatic system and where it was blocked (my arm and shoulder swelled up)

besides that its cool.
cant have any art fag tell you "thats SO been done!"

Posted by: Gushka at March 20, 2011 05:39 PM (93zw2)

41 The packeted style of late Cezanne in the breasts, limbs and curtains.
What about the carpet?

Posted by: andycanuck at March 20, 2011 05:40 PM (/wCSE)

42 Did you guys know i'm a little psychic? 

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 20, 2011 09:38 PM (EiH7n)

Sounds more like you are a little bit in your cups.

Posted by: tcn at March 20, 2011 05:40 PM (QuGK2)

43
The best part of Picasso's paintings ran down the easel's leg.

Posted by: Andrew Jackson Polack at March 20, 2011 05:42 PM (rMMMP)

44

That's the greatest piece of art of the twentieth century? I wouldn't fuck any of those chicks. Hang on a minute, I'll show you some art..........

http://is.gd/L5M91A

Not safe for work. Unless you work for a true man's man.

Posted by: pendejo grande at March 20, 2011 05:43 PM (QxhBJ)

45 If Ace of Spades keeps posting art, is there any chance we could get in on the sweet sweet gravy from the National Endowment for the Arts?

No

Posted by: National Endowment for the Arts Office of the Inspector General, Political Vetting Division at March 20, 2011 05:43 PM (veJzk)

46

CAC - pure genius baby.  I have always found Picasso's work as brilliant, well ahead of its time - bright, bold, divisive and complex. Picasso is relevant today for he was painting for the future, which can now be decoded more readily as it's viewed in the now, which was the master's then.

 I've had a few brews here today and everything seems so clear to me.

Posted by: journolist at March 20, 2011 05:44 PM (iHfo1)

47 But that depiction is caricature, and entirely ugly and deformed and disdainful of the concept of beauty. Is that the joke? "You like their beauty, so I'll paint them as ugly and deformed ha ha ha?" What am I missing here?

Posted by: Splunge at March 20, 2011 09:39 PM (2IW5Q)

in a way yes.

Fin d' cicle art was in many way all about woman as empty of any value except decoration. it was weird. Picassos early work was very beautiful in a sort of classic way. but i had SO BEEN DONE. Beauty had been DONE TO DEATH, so he did different and made of them representational abstractions.

HA! NOW THEY ARE JUST IDEAS REPRESENTING IMAGES OF WOMEN! TAKE THAT!


Posted by: Gushka at March 20, 2011 05:44 PM (93zw2)

48 This thread is useless with pictures.

Posted by: Chuckit at March 20, 2011 05:44 PM (1AWe+)

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Posted by: minimalist woman in profile at March 20, 2011 05:45 PM (/wCSE)

50 #25 Thanks

Posted by: Ken S at March 20, 2011 05:45 PM (0NEX9)

51 .

Posted by: minimalist woman in profile WITH her head displaced by a floating arabic numeral; trenchant comment at March 20, 2011 05:45 PM (/wCSE)

52 While not as famous, multi-faceted or transformative as Picasso, Klimt was around in the early 20th century and showed some interesting tendencies.  He also appealed (though perhaps not intentionally) to what people naturally want:  sex, gold and indulgence.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustav_Klimt

His stuff fetches a tidy price on the market.

Posted by: Grimaldi at March 20, 2011 05:46 PM (VHMqL)

53 Okay, I don't get this second half ---BNTBSAJP.

And fuck you if it's all bold. Copy copies as Copy sees. So fuckin there.

Posted by: Corona at March 20, 2011 05:46 PM (fh2Y7)

54 Posted by: pendejo grande at March 20, 2011 09:43 PM (QxhBJ) ___________________________________________ Bless you.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at March 20, 2011 05:46 PM (yQWNf)

55

Explain. Surely to "objectify" women is to revel in their beauty as their only important characteristic, arguably, though disputably, ignoring the soul and intellect within.

Yes, sorry, I was reading other things.  Now that I've discovered how to change the channel on the Internet, I do that from time to time.

What I meant was, the women are presented as a collection of objects- crotches, hair, boobs, hips,... rather than as people.  That's all.

Posted by: Truman North at March 20, 2011 05:47 PM (8ay4x)

56 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 20, 2011 09:37 PM (9Lm5R)

"Process" - ugh.  Good on your classmate for piping up with the truth.  "Process" and "creativity" are rather Marxist ideas - they are devoid of meaning and virtue.  Nobody seems to stop and ask the simple question, "is it pleasing to behold?"

Posted by: Fallen Sparrow at March 20, 2011 05:47 PM (l48cv)

57 Isn't part of the problem of art -- especially long-lived artforms like painting and photography, is that after enough time, all of the state-space of that art has been explored. Or at least all of the state-space that is appreciable and intelligible by humans. With music, for example, there's sitll lots of atonal music to explore -- but 99.99% of humans cannot enjoy it so there's not much point. Part of the thrill of the CG animated movies is we still are seeing new techniques unveiled every year. But we get so used to the advances it gets harder and harder to impress. I remember how amazed I was when I first saw CG fur (Monsters Inc?). Now a movie can have hordes of furry animals and it barely registers. With painting that process played out over centuries. Same with music. But now computers let us effortlessly create an endless variety. The electric guitar astonished with the new sound it offered. Then the synthesizer. But now seemingly every possible sound has already been in a song. So we just go back to simple melodies over the same 4 chords with the same backbeat. A new technique opens up a state-space and you get an explosion of exploration. The artists alive at the time have a firstmover advantage. They aren't geniuses, they were just there first. You can always update old techniques with topical news and stories, which seems to be what we do. But we want to see, read, hear, experience something totally new that we've never experienced before. The huge response to Avatar shows how the public responds to seeing something totally new. Same with Star Wars 30+ years ago. It just blows our minds. The birth of Rock n Roll. Gone with the Wind. Dickens novels.

Posted by: clubber lang at March 20, 2011 05:49 PM (QcFbt)

58 Sounds more like you are a little bit in your cups. Posted by: tcn That's vague. I guess you didn't see that movie. Google the little twin Japanese girls +monster. Or try some other searches using a wild card search but i only do that when i'm extra drunk. The movie really is old, enchanting.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 20, 2011 05:50 PM (EiH7n)

59 I think the chicks on the right are the ones Picasso picked up with a thick pair of beer goggles on. Then he woke up, took a look at them, and made a drawing.

Posted by: joncelli at March 20, 2011 05:50 PM (Nvw83)

60  48 Fin d' cicle art was in many way all about woman as empty of any value except decoration. it was weird. Picassos early work was very beautiful in a sort of classic way. but i had SO BEEN DONE. Beauty had been DONE TO DEATH, so he did different and made of them representational abstractions.

I see. I'd say he took the easy path. For my taste, I'd have preferred something that took off from those paintings of empty and beautiful women, and painted something like them, but in which the interior beauty of the woman's soul and brains came vividly spilling out through the eyes, face, and poise. I think that would be more meaningful, but I grant that it would be much more demanding in the ability and effort department.

Perhaps this choice of the easy path helped pave the way for the moment when an "artist" could submit a commercial toilet as art, and get praised for it.

Posted by: Splunge at March 20, 2011 05:52 PM (2IW5Q)

61 OT:

Is K'Daffy still speaking? Or is he extra crispy right now?

There's got to be a Guinness World Record for him somewhere...

Posted by: Double Ply at March 20, 2011 05:55 PM (ezdtY)

62 NQSFWBSBTYBNTBSAJP
Lets see if I can decode this:

Not Quite Safe For Work But Silicon Boobs T Y B N T B S A Jello Pudding

I give up

Posted by: sTevo at March 20, 2011 05:56 PM (VMcEw)

63 Nice essay, bro.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 20, 2011 05:56 PM (ZcjZ+)

64 Thank you Pendejo: That's a fabulous/perfect set of headlights. Nothin' abstract about those. Bunk

Posted by: CMU VET at March 20, 2011 05:57 PM (dExXN)

65

Posted by: Truman North at March 20, 2011 09:29 PM (8ay4x)

I'd love to be able to do that with my own work.  On the other hand, I'm grateful not to need to since it really is work at that point.

I agree with your definition of success as well.

Posted by: Polliwog at March 20, 2011 06:00 PM (mqBk9)

66

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Posted by: CAC at March 20, 2011 06:02 PM (lV4Fs)

67 New = relevant in the art world. It seems hard anymore for artists to create work that speaks to other artists and critics, and yet still remains accessible to the general public, now that the aesthetic value is negotiable. The few artists that manage to gain the attention of both audiences rely on flash in the pan gimmicks and one-liner concepts.

Posted by: cathy at March 20, 2011 06:12 PM (snmim)

68 I think I can see the taint of the one on the right.

Posted by: BJC at March 20, 2011 06:16 PM (nomGb)

69 Thanks CAC,

I would have been solving this puzzle in my sleep and then I would be wiped out tomorrow.

Posted by: sTevo at March 20, 2011 06:17 PM (VMcEw)

70 Mothra, that's the movie with the little twins.

Posted by: humphreyrobot at March 20, 2011 06:19 PM (EiH7n)

71 CAC is right.  I saw this at MoMA and it was unforgettable, even though it was in the same room as The Persistence of Memory by Dali, and Girl Before a Mirror, also by Picasso.

Posted by: Never Mind at March 20, 2011 06:45 PM (ffpSS)

72 Looking forward to green goo on a happy dude.

Posted by: A. Sullivan at March 20, 2011 06:51 PM (xs5wK)

73

 it was in the same room as The Persistence of Memory by Dali

Posted by: Never Mind at March 20, 2011 10:45 PM (ffpSS)

 

Great that my two favorite works are in the same room.

 

My least favorite can be found in the ugh Broad Contemporary at LACMA.

Posted by: CAC at March 20, 2011 06:53 PM (lV4Fs)

74 Thanks for the essay.  All I know about art is what I read. And I am totally not sharing anything I make for moron critique.

(One of my nicknames in high school was "Picasso."  Because I look like those abstract paintings of women.  "Objectification" would be a step up.)

Posted by: HeatherRadish at March 20, 2011 06:53 PM (0vDuM)

75 I'm in an Alexander Calder mobile kinda mood
 Picasso ... taken 30 years and still only somewhat above meh

 And I want to peel the green goo off with my teeth, slowly

Posted by: melvin at March 20, 2011 07:26 PM (3OCZw)

76 I should send more paintings.  Not because I am a cat, but...because I am a cat.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at March 20, 2011 07:57 PM (081kp)

77

#80

You and GeorgeOrwell.

I am still waiting on more from that talented bastard.

Posted by: CAC at March 20, 2011 08:09 PM (lV4Fs)

78

61 I always thought Mary Cassatt did a wonderful job of doing just that -- perhaps she's not "modern", but in some ways she is: her paintings (to me at least) always had an intimacy and deft handling of a subject matter that was never considered worth looking into by many "high art" aficianados.  It was also very much influenced by non-western asthetics as well.  So I suppose she was more modern than many give her credit for.

Same with Norman Rockwell -- people have a big tendency to do a very shallow reading of Rockwell; he's a bit like Robert Frost...there's much more there in his works than what an initial skim gives you.

I like artists like that...and both Cassatt and Rockwell are less jarring to the senses than Picasso.

Posted by: unknown jane at March 20, 2011 08:30 PM (5/yRG)

79 I didn't like cubism until I watched a PBS piece on Picasso.  They explained what he and others were really going for.  Now I kind of like it and some of his later stuff as well.

I'm pretty contemptuous of the Warhols and Pollacks of the world, though.

Posted by: Ace's liver at March 20, 2011 09:09 PM (QgI7g)

80

#83

When you see what he and Braque did, its nothing short of mind-boggling. They basically attempted to put all three dimensions in parallel on a flat plane, thereby violating the 1-point perspective rule that had been ingrained in art. Oh, and they did this at age 25. I've developed more of a respect for young Picasso as time has gone on.

Warhol was a windbag.

I like Pollack but I don't like the heavy breathing and panting critics have given him- let his techique and work speak for itself without a pile of talentless eggheads trying to tell us why we have to like him. People are more receptive to art they haven't seen before when they can just experience it themselves. Treating the "unwashed" like philistines is the biggest travesty of contemporary art and art criticism. None of these people- right up to Rauschenberg and Rosenquist- would have been given a chance by such an attitude if these same instructional hacks held the keys into the gallery.

Posted by: CAC at March 20, 2011 09:26 PM (lV4Fs)

Posted by: mako at March 21, 2011 12:56 AM (iWRab)

82 Modern art, as represented by Picasso above, was a outlet for the neurosises of some of the elite to excuse their oddness,  not to mention  mind the oddness of the artists themselves.  This caught on with the rest of the elite.  Not wanting to seem not with it, they embraced on this farce.  Unfortunately, the artists of this ilk were most certainly on drugs or some kind.  They had to be in order to see the world as such a surreal stage.  I have often thought the perpetrators of this movement must have been laughing themselves sick at the gullibility of our so called betters.  I remember when the child-like art of Grandma Moses was touted as great art.  It looked like a child painted it and a fond mother put on the refrigerator.  I have heard the "better" or "more knowledgeable"minds say: "this painting calls to me" or "it represents the image of my soul".  If I ever felt that when looking a some of this mess, I would hie to a psychiatrist tout suite.

Posted by: BarbaraS at March 21, 2011 07:32 AM (BfY5w)

83 The "artist" who sprayed the girl in green with silly putty must have had fun "painting"  his "art".

Posted by: BarbaraS at March 21, 2011 07:36 AM (BfY5w)

84 How how much did the infamous NATIONAL ENDOWMENT for the ARTS pay for this?

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at March 21, 2011 07:52 AM (vA9ld)

85 Pablo Picasso sucked. Deal with it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at March 21, 2011 10:02 AM (61b7k)

86

   Art is a means of communication. It is the artist's responsibility to communicate his/her 'message' to the audience. When the audience does not understand the message it is the artist who has failed - not the audience.

 

   The cubist-pointilist-expressionist etc. 'schools'  that celebrate the artists' egos while denigrating the audience produce static interference - not art.

   

Posted by: Bob N at March 21, 2011 11:25 AM (aCFNT)

87 Dunno if CAC said it, but Avignon was a street where you went to pick up prostitutes, and the women are definitely presented as less than the sum of their parts.

Like many models of the time, these were prostitutes, but from Barcelona, not Avignon. Picasso chose not to romanticize them, as painters had been forced to do by their patrons throughout history. He played the bad boy here by using tribal masks from Oceania over his models faces, to make them look shocking and primitive and exploit the public's fascination with slightly racist cultural curiosities of the time like the Hottentot Venus. At stake was his reputation as the greatest painter of his time versus Matisse. He could not compete with the artist in terms of looks, talent or location (Paris was the epicenter of the art world then.) So, his Napoleon complex did the rest. Picasso was criticized by even his close friends for this terrible painting, but his dealer loved it.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 21, 2011 02:00 PM (mHQ7T)

88 And Avignon was the city in Southern France that was once a papal seat and was later the birthplace of cubism.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 21, 2011 02:03 PM (mHQ7T)

89 Slight correction, Picasso was undoubtedly influenced by Cezanne, who is generally considered the founder of Cubism with his paintings of the quarry in Bibemus, closer to Aix in Provence, but not far from Avignon.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 21, 2011 02:09 PM (mHQ7T)

90 was a outlet for the neuroses of some of the elite to excuse their oddness

... the result of years of inbreeding. Picasso was a freak, a very mean Toulouse Lautrec with a massive chip on his shoulder.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at March 21, 2011 02:11 PM (mHQ7T)

91

 Picasso's market-driven artistic swings

And that was his problem.  Sure all artists hope their works sell but I think most evolve because of something within themselves.  Picasso evolved because his ego demanded adulation.  He knew the public would expect something new and he gave it to them.  I personally like much of his work but I dislike his motivation. 

 I think an illustrator has more artistic integrity than Picasso.  The illustrator is upfront about his desire to make money from his art.  Picasso was so egotistical that he came to believe that he created the changes and the market, which he didn't.   The demand for change, the market, created him. 

And I see nothing wrong with an artist maintaining a point of view, technique, or style.  Why do they have to change?  If art is self-expression and you believe in what you do, that is all that's required.  And honestly there is nothing "new" in any artistic venue.   It is all based on previous techniques and style.  So if I see the world through the same eyes and mind as Van Gogh or Rockwell, or Goya then maybe it's because that's simply the way I see the world.  It doesn't make it great or better or worse.  It just is.

Posted by: Deanna at March 21, 2011 06:14 PM (LGGJi)

92 Piccaso and Calder were a pair of doochiebags nuff said

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at March 21, 2011 08:32 PM (vA9ld)

93 CAC,
Please accept my apologies, I'm quite positive you have far more knowledge in this field than I (especially from a historical sense, which I do respect), but Picasso, Klimt, Warhol, all these types may have 'the eye' but they lack the skill.
It's crap.  Enthusiastic, colorful, passionate crap.  Throwing a bucket, slapping an easel, whipping a brush doth not make art.
Again, apologies--don't let my philistinism take away your enthusiasm for trying to bring culture to us who still eat our meat wriggling.

Posted by: Xenophon at March 21, 2011 11:16 PM (gHBfR)

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