September 05, 2011
— CAC Here is my first official projection for the 2012 Presidential election. I will upload one at the beginning of each month through August of next year, and weekly starting the first week of September. Keep in mind that we are well over a year away, so a plethora of events can alter this.
If the election were held today, President Obama would lose by a margin of 54% to 46% to an unnamed challenger. The electoral vote would break down like this:
The Republican would get 290 electoral votes, the President 217, and 31 are undecided. Florida, North Carolina, and New Hampshire are all likely Republican gains, with polling in all three atrocious for the President, thumb-on-the-scale data out of the Tar Heel State by Particularly Partisan People notwithstanding. New Hampshire has been the most fascinating state out of these three for me, as Gallup has found it has become a Republican state for the first time in years in terms of party ID. In fact, per Gallup, it is now one of the more Republican states in the country. Change, indeed.
Obama has become downright radioactive in Pennsylvania, and has been for several months now. The eternal tease for Republicans, it turns red for the first time in 24 years. I know, many of you will argue about fraud in Philadelphia until you are blue in the face. But if they couldn't steal it at the last minute last year from Pat Toomey, before the Republicans gained pretty firm control over the state government, I doubt they can pull that off next year.
Wisconsin remains a point of interest for me and other people who pull numbers out of their ass election analysts who have been watching the recent elections there for clues as to what lies in store next year. Governor Walker seems to have recovered in his popularity, with a recall effort against him now polling in the negative and positive press about the results of his budget finally hitting local media. Feingold's decision to steer clear of any elections next year and Thompson's willingness to jump in point to a cautiously confident Republican party in the state and a less-than-excited Democratic one. How that translates for the Presidential race remains to be seen.
Hat tip again to John E for the new design.
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I know, many of you will argue about fraud in Philadelphia until you are blue in the face. But if they couldn't steal it at the last minute last year from Pat Toomey, before the Republicans gained pretty firm control over the state government, I doubt they can pull that off next year.
Except Toomey wasn't running against a black man in Philadelphia in 2010.
Posted by: Hard Truth at September 05, 2011 05:46 AM (1kwr2)
I think jumping ahead of ourselves a bit and thinking about VP selections for a possible Rick Perry would suggest that Pawlenty or Romney, rather than Rubio or West, would be good running mates since they have a better chance of pulling the upper midwest.
Posted by: Y-not at September 05, 2011 05:47 AM (HH31x)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 05, 2011 05:54 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: Jimbo at September 05, 2011 05:54 AM (O3R/2)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 05, 2011 05:55 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: CAC at September 05, 2011 05:56 AM (JEVge)
As for VP Pick v Biden in a debate- it's not nice to pick on the mentally retarded.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 05, 2011 05:57 AM (KxyHe)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 05, 2011 05:57 AM (zgZzy)
Posted by: USS Diversity at September 05, 2011 06:00 AM (aD5Kx)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 05, 2011 06:01 AM (zgZzy)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at September 05, 2011 06:04 AM (SB0V2)
I agree with Y-not and think that Florida will be a bit redder than what the charts shows, especially when you factor in the recent election of West and Rubio to Congress.
It's a trend, I tell you, a trend!
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 05, 2011 06:07 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 05, 2011 06:08 AM (niZvt)
BTW, Michigan may be more red than you think. Stabanaugh is having lots of negative ratings here.
Posted by: chillin the most for Perry at September 05, 2011 06:09 AM (6IV8T)
Oh, only six states are solidly blue out of 57?
That's not good for the incumbent stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure, now is it?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 05, 2011 06:12 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 05, 2011 06:12 AM (ZDUD4)
VP Romney
Posted by: Y-not
But then there's the danger that Perry chokes on a grape, then VP Romney levels up to P Romney and we're boned again.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 05, 2011 06:13 AM (EeYDk)
Posted by: Mr. Dave at September 05, 2011 06:13 AM (KqLjm)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 05, 2011 06:14 AM (ZDUD4)
We would then have to win Florida and Ohio in order to prevail. If we lose either we are done. If we win both FL and OH and also win Pennsylvania, the Socialists are done. If we lose PA we can still stitch together a victory but it will be tight.
Posted by: Stressing about the election already at September 05, 2011 06:15 AM (mh8Iu)
This map and hot cheerleader titties are great to wake up to.
As for Fox, they need to keep you watching, so they will keep calling the election as a nailbiter until all the votes are in. The Murdoch/UK tabloid runs deep over there. And that's a good thing, it'll keep us from becoming complacent, and ensure as many Republican voters get to the polls as possible.
Posted by: HoundOfDoom at September 05, 2011 06:16 AM (CFrIf)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 05, 2011 06:17 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: CAC at September 05, 2011 06:17 AM (JEVge)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 05, 2011 06:18 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 05, 2011 06:18 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: CAC at September 05, 2011 06:19 AM (JEVge)
Posted by: rockmom at September 05, 2011 06:21 AM (lSyyU)
New Mexico aspires to be a third world shit hole. And they are getting there, new governor notwithstanding.
Posted by: huerfano at September 05, 2011 06:21 AM (kD+se)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 05, 2011 10:18 AM (ZDUD4)
HAHAHA! That must have been a rush.
Posted by: Tami at September 05, 2011 06:24 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 05, 2011 06:25 AM (ZDUD4)
A clue to how Ohio will trend in the 2012 election is the outcome of the referendum this November on SB5. Senate Bill 5 limited collective bargaining for state employees, fire and policemen, teachers, etc. - public employee unions.
The propaganda from both public employee unions and trade unions is going to get pretty thick and heavy. This will indeed be a test of strength and attitude. If Ohio votes down SB5, the outcome of the vote on 2012 is in doubt (for Republicans). If SB5 is upheld, then maybe the attitudes in the state have turned the corner. There is a strong undercurrent of backlash against not only the public employee unions but also the UAW, which is important as Ohio is second only to Michigan in UAW membership/employees.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at September 05, 2011 06:25 AM (sJTmU)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 05, 2011 06:25 AM (nRTou)
Posted by: Navycopjoe aka uber palinista at September 05, 2011 06:27 AM (74fBZ)
Posted by: dagny at September 05, 2011 06:27 AM (N7kE4)
Posted by: Jeff in PA at September 05, 2011 06:27 AM (45WVs)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 05, 2011 06:28 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 05, 2011 06:28 AM (niZvt)
unless Ogabe gets lucky and all the retirees have Alzheimer's kick in at once they are NOT going to forget that he raided Medicare to fund Ogabecare....
I agree he will "scare out the vote" but they are not going to be swayed unless Perry or whomever goes out of their way to speak about nuking Social Security and medicare for the current recipients
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 06:29 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 05, 2011 06:29 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 05, 2011 06:30 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: USS Diversity at September 05, 2011 06:30 AM (aD5Kx)
OT: I missed your answer to 'how' you knew the hooker who said 'hi joe' to you while you were with your wife.
Posted by: Tami at September 05, 2011 06:30 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: dagny at September 05, 2011 06:31 AM (N7kE4)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 05, 2011 06:31 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Dick Morris at September 05, 2011 06:31 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 05, 2011 06:33 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Methos at September 05, 2011 06:34 AM (sOXQX)
Posted by: CAC at September 05, 2011 06:34 AM (JEVge)
Posted by: Dick Morris at September 05, 2011 06:34 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 05, 2011 06:35 AM (nRTou)
Heh. I yelled to some old hippie with a "war is not the answer" sticker if he meant Libya? He wouldn't answer. I laughed.
Yesterday drudge said the rebels were rounding up the blacks. I guess we'll get to see if Bammy's african half is more arab or black.
Posted by: dagny at September 05, 2011 06:35 AM (N7kE4)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 05, 2011 06:35 AM (ddmSU)
444 More proof that Ca is boned boned boned (or just bone headed)....a LATimes/USC poll reports:
But the survey also showed that Obama's strength in California has endured despite deep dissatisfaction among voters with the economy. In hypothetical matchups, Obama led Romney by 19 points, Perry by 24 points and Bachmann by 26 points.
My sympathies to all CA morons.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 05, 2011 06:36 AM (ENKCw)
33
There is a strong undercurrent of backlash against not only the public employee unions but also the UAW, which is important as Ohio is second only to Michigan in UAW membership/employees.
I had a former worker at the Moraine, OH, truck plant tell me that GM shut down the plant because it wasn't a UAW shop. The Moraine plant had a different union and UAW was out to get them because of concessions the union in Moraine had made.
As a former union representative, I think that public employee unions need to be outlawed. They have devolved into organizations that protect the least productive and/or most troublesome employees.
Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at September 05, 2011 06:36 AM (M0NzJ)
Posted by: Navycopjoe aka uber palinista at September 05, 2011 06:36 AM (74fBZ)
Virginia has two problem bands, the DC metro south area and Richmond....
State workers fly donkey just as much as the Federales and it is not a sign of overall economic health for a state when the capital is the center of "growth"...
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 06:36 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Barney Frank at September 05, 2011 06:36 AM (e8kgV)
34 ....."2010 was a total wipeout statewide (both in congressional races and state house)."
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 05, 2011 10:25 AM (nRTou)
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That gives me hope that Darth Debbie Wassername might get voted out next year.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 05, 2011 06:37 AM (riffu)
OT: I missed your answer to 'how' you knew the hooker who said 'hi joe' to you while you were with your wife.
I'm thinking he's going to resort to DADT. //
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 05, 2011 06:37 AM (zgZzy)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 05, 2011 06:37 AM (niZvt)
I don't know where the Florida numbers are coming from.
I live in Florida and have been doing some consulting for a while. There is no 'lock' in Florida. Obama is not popular, but no one in the state is really popular. This attitude does not favor the incumbent, but it also doesn't necessarily favor each candidate equally.
As I keep reminding people, Scott barely won. Rubio won more handily, but he also benefitted from a three way race. Still, I think he would have had at least a eight to ten point win in a two-way race.
The electoral politics of Florida are changing with the rapid growth of non-Cuban Hispanics, particularly in central Florida. Traditionally, these voters have had low turnout in elections. Even with this low turnout though, it is rapidly changing the politics of central Florida and incrementally, the state at large. Add this to continued growth in Duval and Dade/Broward County, and the electoral landscape in Florida is much tougher for Republicans than overall approval numbers would make it seem.
Posted by: Paper at September 05, 2011 06:37 AM (IvlIt)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 05, 2011 06:38 AM (zgZzy)
let's just pain the map blue slash our wrists and be done with it....
since there is NO HOPE and all....
how'd 2010 turn out again?
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 06:38 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: RedRiverTed at September 05, 2011 06:38 AM (pZoDI)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 05, 2011 06:38 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Some call me wizard at September 05, 2011 06:39 AM (82INm)
Posted by: dagny at September 05, 2011 06:39 AM (N7kE4)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 05, 2011 06:39 AM (zgZzy)
Posted by: CAC at September 05, 2011 06:39 AM (JEVge)
Posted by: Mayhem at September 05, 2011 06:40 AM (ljbxn)
Posted by: Navycopjoe aka uber palinista at September 05, 2011 06:40 AM (74fBZ)
Posted by: Portland, City Of Tomorrow! at September 05, 2011 06:40 AM (Hu/Da)
yup and there are plenty of non-indigenous hostile personnel in each blast of "refugees" from the blue states...
they are happy to get away from the warm embrace of the $uper$tate for about a year and then start missing the guvmint cheese.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 06:40 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at September 05, 2011 06:40 AM (zgZzy)
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 05, 2011 06:41 AM (nRTou)
Texas Governor Rick Perry won't attend the Palmetto Freedom Forum as scheduled on Monday.
The governor's press office confirms Perry will return to Texas following a town hall meeting on the coast to address wildfire problems in Texas.
Perry was scheduled to attend Senator Jim DeMint's forum of Republican presidential contenders in Columbia Monday afternoon.
Posted by: Jose at September 05, 2011 06:41 AM (WTNJJ)
Actually Richmond isn't that bad; a couple of downtown precincts waaaay over balanced by its conservative burbs. The other problem area is the very black Newport News, Hampton, and inner Norfolk areas.
Posted by: dagny at September 05, 2011 06:43 AM (N7kE4)
Posted by: CAC at September 05, 2011 06:43 AM (JEVge)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 05, 2011 06:43 AM (ddmSU)
Given Osama Obama's "base" -- unions, black agitators, the wildest of wild-eyed leftys, all hell-bent on winning By Any Means Necessary -- I don't think we could feel comfortable about the '12 election if all polls showed the Traitor-in-Chief losing 5% to 90% (with 5% for nutball candidates).
I turn my Flip Wilson Talking Doll in Obama's direction and it says: "I smell a rat, and the wind is coming from your direction!"
The new dictionary definition of Affirmative Action will be "a government scheme under which even a stuttering clusterf*** of a miserable failure can become president."
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 05, 2011 06:44 AM (YjjrR)
Posted by: SCOAMF at September 05, 2011 06:44 AM (zgZzy)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 05, 2011 06:45 AM (niZvt)
Posted by: Jeff in PA at September 05, 2011 06:46 AM (45WVs)
#71
I was glad and surprised as well. That said, I think most people here are glad that he doesn't have to run in 2012.
I've been working on the same problem in some polling that stumped most firms in 2010. We thought Republicans should have been much closer in some states that we lost in 2010 (like Nevada). It is really difficult to predict voting pariticipation among Hispanic voters, pariticularly Hispanic voters between 18-35. They were severly undercounted in 2010 in some states, but in others they were counted correctly yet voted more than expected.
If counts are correct and there is a traditional voter turnout among Hispanic voters, I think the Republican candidate (if either Romney or Perry) would win Florida by 2-4%. If we experience what Nevada and some other states experienced, it would be a true toss-up.
Obviously, much can change in a year, but it is pretty damn close.
Posted by: Paper at September 05, 2011 06:46 AM (IvlIt)
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They might redistrict her out of existence. The Republicans can literally do anything they want with districting here. Nobody can stop them.
Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 05, 2011 10:41 AM (nRTou)
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That would be so very cool. *big smile*
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 05, 2011 06:48 AM (riffu)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 05, 2011 06:48 AM (ZDUD4)
I can think of three:
1. Voter fraud on a massive scale;
2. Threats of violence from his core constituency working on voters' guilt feelings;
3. Massive amounts of campaign money.
And there's always the invisible #4:
4. Election "postponed" as part of a declaration of martial law.
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 05, 2011 06:48 AM (YjjrR)
Plus I wear a nametag that says joe
Posted by: Navycopjoe aka uber palinista at September 05, 2011 10:36 AM (74fBZ)
Of course you're referring to cash tips, right?
Posted by: Tami at September 05, 2011 06:49 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 05, 2011 06:49 AM (ddmSU)
Aren't there some blue states that will lose some Electoral Votes in 2012 because of the census results?
Sorry if this has been covered before in a previous thread....I haven't read them all.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 05, 2011 06:50 AM (riffu)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 05, 2011 06:50 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Hey.Wheres.Barry at September 05, 2011 06:51 AM (hyP1j)
Posted by: CAC at September 05, 2011 06:52 AM (JEVge)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 05, 2011 10:50 AM (ZDUD4)
This is true...
Posted by: Tami at September 05, 2011 06:52 AM (X6akg)
I love that we must leverage against the margin of fraud as well as the margin of votes earned based upon performance. He is not going to outperform the laymen's predictions because the newsies will go Jihadi Jim on propping his ass up. This next election is for all the marbles if he wins it is the end of the United States as we know it he is already the boldest WRT executive orders, not facing the potential to get reelected he will give in to every moonbat whim he hides.
I will sacrifice every bit of wealth I have and gamble my future health if need be to beat him and his enablers.
I'll leave to others the drive to look like "the smartest kid in the room" I want him gone from power and long lived enough to see us dismantle his work.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 06:52 AM (AEIYh)
I can think of three:
1. Voter fraud on a massive scale;
2. Threats of violence from his core constituency working on voters' guilt feelings;
3. Massive amounts of campaign money.
And there's always the invisible #4:
4. Election "postponed" as part of a declaration of martial law.
Agreed. Although I would add "voter intimidation" as part of #2
Posted by: Shibumi at September 05, 2011 06:53 AM (z63Tr)
Ohio should flip with a good candidate. Virginia will be difficult, an excellent governor notwithstanding.
Pennslyvania is like Wisconsin, a state that seems close until every four years when all of the low-information, vote in only Presidential election voters come out of the urban centers to pull the lever for the (D) candidate.
Posted by: Paper at September 05, 2011 06:53 AM (IvlIt)
I am curious as to just how bones the Keystone state will be once Barry is done working his magic on coal...
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 06:54 AM (AEIYh)
http://tinyurl.com/3cdeod4
Posted by: Tami at September 05, 2011 06:54 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: CAC at September 05, 2011 06:54 AM (JEVge)
Posted by: Navycopjoe aka uber palinista at September 05, 2011 06:56 AM (74fBZ)
Posted by: Tami at September 05, 2011 06:56 AM (X6akg)
we do NOT know he is a politician first.
I suspect you are correct, but every time he has had the necessity and opportunity to make a genuine tack to the center to trim a space out amongst the moderates he has insisted on going full libtard and burning another valley of strawmen.....
his retreat from sending EPA to try to regulate a large portion of the atmosphere out of existence is the first time in a year I have seen him "go limp" on one of his special interest's holy grail items.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 06:57 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 05, 2011 10:25 AM (ZDUD4)
We also have voter ID now. No valid WI identification, no vote.
http://gab.wi.gov/elections-voting/photo-id
Posted by: Deathknyte at September 05, 2011 06:57 AM (2So9Z)
PA might go GOP if they stay home in Philly and are pissed off enough in Bucks, Chester, and Montgomery. Lord knows you could call me PO'd in Montgomery County, but I don't know about my neighbors. Bucks seems to be trending GOP, but that's base solely on scraped-off Obama '08 stickers.
Don't know about OH. FL is pretty much in the bag if my Dad is any indication.
If the government workers, union stiffs, and shiftless hangers-on are demoralized enough to stay home, we win.
Posted by: joncelli at September 05, 2011 06:57 AM (YL3wr)
Posted by: Portland, City Of Tomorrow! at September 05, 2011 06:58 AM (Hu/Da)
the black flag did just fine last year and will do so again.....we can't stay that ramped up all the time....
did I see you at the DC mall back in '09?
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 06:58 AM (AEIYh)
South Carolina red. California blue. Ohio, Alabama, Missouri, and Florida all red. It doesn't look good for Barky.
Posted by: G at September 05, 2011 06:58 AM (BkQvr)
Perry: I'm actually for it....use both hands.
Posted by: Tami at September 05, 2011 06:59 AM (X6akg)
I can't think of a single reason why Obama should win reelection. Let me know when you can.
Posted by: CoolCzech
The Reid-McCain Amnesty Act of 2012
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 05, 2011 06:59 AM (EeYDk)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 05, 2011 07:00 AM (ZDUD4)
Shit, why not just mail out checks?
Posted by: I'm in a New York state of mind at September 05, 2011 07:00 AM (4sQwu)
Ummm guys, she lurks on this site
She would kill me
If she's half as cute as you make her out to be, she'll get away with it, too.
Posted by: garrett at September 05, 2011 07:01 AM (JzzQ1)
Posted by: CAC at September 05, 2011 07:02 AM (JEVge)
Posted by: The troll is taking today off at September 05, 2011 07:02 AM (Y+DPZ)
because then they don't get to pick the winners and losers and hand out multi-million dollar paydays for donations silly.....
it would actually be less harmful, still retarded but less harmful to the macro economy for them to go ahead and cut 10,000 dollar checks for every man woman and child in this nation rather than attempt to "be smarter" than all the public....
they exist to control and all control is geared to maintain their existence
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 07:03 AM (AEIYh)
1,000 is a bit too much for my blood in the Barackrecovery, considering he gets a hard on playing Russian Roulette with my wife's military paycheck everytime the Congress tries to yell "STOP!" on his sepnding....that said I would bet you ten bucks that he will at least be considering it if he has three or more riots in major metro areas.....
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 07:05 AM (AEIYh)
Even though the MSNBC/Politico moderators will be gunning for Rick Perry in the Sept 7th debate.......I seriously doubt that he will shoot any of them.
Mainly out of respect for the Reagan Center..... Not because they don't righteously deserve it.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 05, 2011 07:06 AM (riffu)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 05, 2011 07:06 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: CAC at September 05, 2011 10:54 AM
One thing I have noticed since Osama Obama began his presidential run is a curious inability on the part of conservative "pundits" to judge him as what he is, which is a self-centered, vengeful man steeped in revolutionary rhetoric and radical Islam.
He is neither a "politician" in the sense we're used to nor a patriotic American, and I do not consider it outside the realm of possibility that as the tides of war (electoral, that is) turn against him, he will resort to scorched-earth tactics.
It would not be the first time in history that a "leader" took the "apres moi, le deluge" approach.
One of Obama's strengths is that he is contending, in large measure with the Ed "Poppin' Fresh" Morrissey school of political niceness, which puts on blinders and judges the opposition as nice people who just don't believe as we do but will play by the rules anyway. That is why both the Chicago Jesus and Holder are still in positions of power.
I think the martial law scenario is unlikely but, as with any potential disaster, it's better to be prepared than blindsided.
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 05, 2011 07:08 AM (YjjrR)
correct....
modern day martial law does not need to involve a Red dawn style show of force at the outset......
all Barry would have to do is use his power to close off the major highways for half a week and the game is thrown.....
we're all paranoid psychos here after all so we grasp that there is risk....I am prepared to make it a week or two in a jam....there are plenty of folks two days from implosion out there though.....
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 07:09 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: CAC at September 05, 2011 07:10 AM (JEVge)
He is. Many of the folks around him are. All the folks along the chain of command whose compliance would be required to cancel elections are not. Name one state that would cancel it's elections (remember there are others offices on the ballot) that's not solid blue. If you can't do that, what's he going to do? Physically occupy every precinct in every red or purplish state? With what army? Not the Army-they simply wouldn't do it. Not the FBI/ATF/those sorts-there aren't enough of them. Not his urban rabble-shutting down the cities doesn't help and out in the suburbs we have our own police/citizenry that can see to protecting the vote.
I think we can safely say whatever Obama's inclination, the 2012 vote will happen.
Posted by: Methos at September 05, 2011 07:12 AM (sOXQX)
exactly.....
Bambi is counting on our inner Eds to allow him to play "do whatever the f*ck I want" and the frummian wing will let him all the while not recognizing that things like F&F and Gunrunner are not "missteps" they are coldly calculated political gambits that are trying to lay the means to an end. Barack and his buds are so brazen in their contempt for the methodology of US political power that they make the Clintons look like glee club members or Rotarians. Eric Holder will not do ANYTHING to any party that gets violent on election night so long as they vote "brand D" he already approved the test run in Philly back in '08 by throwing the case in '09.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 07:13 AM (AEIYh)
I hope so but again, the national media was not trying to toss each other out of the bear pit to give Dinkins a blowjob on air. The support he is losing amongst the minority community is most likely the business class. I don't think they would be the ones playing "flash mob".
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 07:15 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: CAC at September 05, 2011 07:15 AM (JEVge)
#127
I think you might be on to something here. Dinkins went from 51% to 48.3%.
This would be about right with the numbers. The fundamentals in politics are so strong, and despite all the talk about independents, there are only a very small segment of independents voters whose vote changes year to year from one party to another.
Posted by: Paper at September 05, 2011 07:16 AM (IvlIt)
I remember how the Clintonistas had to be dragged out of their occupation of the White House, back in 2001.......and all the vandalism that they did before they exited the building.
If Obama loses.....it wouldn't surprise me if he tried to burn the house down.
So if we win, then the SCofMF and his 'nistas should be put on watch for being in possession of incendiary devices.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 05, 2011 07:16 AM (riffu)
There is one factor at work here that I don't think you've addressed, though in general I have to defer to your wisdom.
Is it not possible, even likely, that, when push comes to shove, the same minorities who (in fairly small numbers) seem disenchanted with the stuttering clusterf*** of a miserable failure will, when push comes to shove, go with the "help a brother out" mentality?
We're not talking about a mere mayor here. We're talking about the President of the United States, and Osama Obama's "historic first" status will play strongly.
As was true when the Klan was most powerful in the South, race stupidity can trump sense with ease, and I don't think the Chicago Jesus has worn out his racial welcome yet.
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 05, 2011 07:18 AM (YjjrR)
Posted by: CAC at September 05, 2011 07:18 AM (JEVge)
It won't, but he'll do it anyway. I don't believe in martial-law scenarios (though Obama is the second president after Clinton I can totally see willing to do it if he thought he could get away with it), but am convinced there will be large-scale riots going on if Obama loses next year, and probably even if he doesn't.
And I think he'll be able to gin up just enough of that to squeak by in PA. Presidential elections are years in which states mostly revert to form.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 05, 2011 07:19 AM (KxADM)
I hope so but again, the national media was not trying to toss each other out of the bear pit to give Dinkins a blowjob on air. The support he is losing amongst the minority community is most likely the business class. I don't think they would be the ones playing "flash mob".
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 11:15 AM (AEIYh)
Somebody here at the HQ mused that the flash mob phenomenon would make a great paradigm for disrupting the polls. Pay some kids off, have a community organizer contact them by Facebook, Twitter, and texting, bus them out to the suburbs and have them mob the polls. MSM runs it prominently because it's exciting; suburbanites are intimidated and stay home; SCOAMF wins by razor-thin margins in key places in key states. Yes, I'm paranoid, but these days paranoia is just a little closer to the truth than it used to be.
Posted by: joncelli at September 05, 2011 07:20 AM (YL3wr)
Posted by: CAC at September 05, 2011 07:21 AM (JEVge)
Posted by: Blaster at September 05, 2011 07:21 AM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: Blaster at September 05, 2011 11:21 AM (Fw2Gg)
I'd rather she didn't run but she can do the tight t-shirt thing as much as she wants.
Posted by: joncelli at September 05, 2011 07:23 AM (YL3wr)
I agree with you that is most likely I said "he will consider it".....
would you have ever imagined in the face of the most open and visible resistance to a piece of legislation in the last thirty years he would ram it through anyway with Frau Botox carrying a gavel that could stunt double for Thor's hammer?
He is NOT like other past PotUSi period.
I volunteered in '08, '04, '00, and '96 I will do so again. I gave every bit of playtime money I could to McCain whom I hated to try to beat him. I will do everything within the margin of the rules to beat him including taking a beating if need be to cast a vote.
That said if/when Bambi "goes big so he doesn't have to go home" I will do my best to be ready.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 07:23 AM (AEIYh)
Don't look now but Italy looks to be imploding imminently, according to the tea leaves, and that's before we get to later in the week when the German courts put a stop to the big European bailout.
Posted by: Methos at September 05, 2011 07:25 AM (sOXQX)
Posted by: CAC at September 05, 2011 07:26 AM (JEVge)
They can vote for him more times each though CAC.
They cheated their asses off for him last time and may well if anything try harder since "the man ain't being fair to the One".....
I dunno we'll see.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 07:26 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Waterhouse at September 05, 2011 07:29 AM (4+wft)
Posted by: cherry pi at September 05, 2011 07:30 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: CAC at September 05, 2011 07:30 AM (JEVge)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 05, 2011 07:30 AM (ZDUD4)
__________
Yeah, well, sounds like the NATO countries are squabbling amongst themselves over who gets the oil. Whatever happened to "no blood for oil"?
Posted by: Anachronda at September 05, 2011 07:32 AM (6fER6)
________
Only if 270 votes worth of states sign onto the compact.
Posted by: Anachronda at September 05, 2011 07:34 AM (6fER6)
We'll vote in places like Philly, Newark, Buffalo, Toledo, Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnatti, Indianapolis, Detroit, Elkhart, St. Louis and we will vote as many times as we can till the crack runs out.
And a bajillion obama bucks buys an awful lot of rocks, know what i'm sayin?
Posted by: Acorn Voter at September 05, 2011 07:35 AM (7U2lm)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 05, 2011 07:36 AM (eOXTH)
no they hedged their bets by pegging it to a certain number of states who join them in trying an end around the Constitution.
Don't remind me I usually cheer for the San Andreas fault.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 07:37 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 05, 2011 07:37 AM (eOXTH)
Maybe, but remember we're the ones who are armed.
Posted by: meekrob at September 05, 2011 07:37 AM (/0HuL)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 05, 2011 07:37 AM (ZDUD4)
There are a couple of problems with this. The bulk of voting in the suburbs, at least here near Chicago, happens from 6:30 to 8:00am as folks are on their way to work, with another smaller spike from 4:30 to 6:00pm as they return home (mainly because they come in groups to/from the trains). The early spike is going to be too early to get the yutes out of bed and out here. The later spike is folks who have been at work all day and probably won't have heard of earlier shenanigans-though you could show up and interfere with them.
The other major problem is one folks that spend all their time in urban areas have trouble wrapping their heads around. The suburbs are a pretty big place. You could have a planned disruption here or there, but if it wasn't in my town, I'm not going to be even mildly intimidated by it. And once it's happened once or twice, we'll have police out at the precincts preventing further 'artistry.'
Posted by: Methos at September 05, 2011 07:38 AM (sOXQX)
"I think violence on a mass scale is a real possibility."
They aren't the ones who've been stocking up on guns & ammo. But I know who has.
I'm just sayin'.
Bring it!
Posted by: tom servo at September 05, 2011 07:38 AM (T1boi)
I'm ashamed of PA.
Posted by: USS Diversity at September 05, 2011 10:00 AM
Dude, I'm from California. I RULE!
Posted by: arhooley at September 05, 2011 07:39 AM (Bw7Ao)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 05, 2011 07:39 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: irongrampa at September 05, 2011 07:40 AM (ud5dN)
Posted by: Blaster at September 05, 2011 11:21 AM (Fw2Gg)
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Playing the 'Girl Card' has served her well so far...... It enabled her to get people to overlook her quiting as governor and view her as a victim. It enabled her to turn her family life into a reality show.....and then land a reality show.
Myself, I've never gotten into reality shows. Maybe that's why I'm not keen on the idea of one being installed in the White House.
If a bald white guy had quit his job as governor.......would he have been able get people to see him as a victim? I doubt it.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 05, 2011 07:40 AM (riffu)
I find unlike Paul Klugman that there is more likelihood of a malignant narcissist acting like a malignant narcissist who tries to hold on to power like a drunk his last bottle of hooch.
I know that I have not seen an alien, I also know that I have seen a guy who ran against the wars add another and not pay a price for it and that for all his whinging at "Bush excess in the misusue of police power" back in '07-'08 did not dismantle the excess that was alleged. If cute green chicks from orion come down and subjugate me I can try to go Kirk with them.....
if Barry's buds try to devastate this nation's economy forever I can run.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 07:40 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: CAC at September 05, 2011 07:40 AM (JEVge)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 05, 2011 07:40 AM (ZDUD4)
ANYTHING is of course possible, but some things are just a bit too fantastic.
Posted by: CAC at September 05, 2011 11:30 AM (JEVge)
The guys on Epic Meal Time have that fantasy: "Am I in heaven?, cause it's raining bacon" - stolen from the sidebar several months ago thanks to RD
Posted by: Bacon Voter at September 05, 2011 07:41 AM (7U2lm)
exactly....you know I remember the Madison cops doing a really bang up job "keeping order" up in Wisconisn no?
The cops are likely to be in on the gag and do what they're told.....
they belong to the democrats when it comes to "keeping food on my table" thinking
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 07:42 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Pastorius at September 05, 2011 07:43 AM (h+zY8)
Posted by: CAC at September 05, 2011 07:45 AM (JEVge)
Posted by: cherry pi at September 05, 2011 07:46 AM (OhYCU)
Cant the Ol' Cowpoke stare down them thar fires AND debate them girly men at the same time?
He just told us yesterday he's Superman, after all.
Posted by: njinfl at September 05, 2011 07:47 AM (M2X9r)
Fun to speculate, but keep in mind that to declare martial law you need the military to enforce it. They swear their oaths to the Constitution, not to the Commander in Chief.
While I believe he would do it if he could get away with it, I'm sure he's been told the DoD would not support such an illegal act.
Posted by: Dave in Fla at September 05, 2011 07:48 AM (cSkZ5)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 05, 2011 07:48 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: D. Hopper Badger at September 05, 2011 07:51 AM (kBWjM)
I need to get up earlier.
Posted by: As If! at September 05, 2011 07:51 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 05, 2011 07:54 AM (ZDUD4)
Sheer craziness. Fringe people in the out party have been saying this for at least the last twenty-five years. They said it about Clinton. They said it about HW Bush and Reagan before him.
Aren't you one of those guys who attacked Birthers? Believing that the presidential elections will be suspended because of martial law is crazier than that. Congratulations!
Posted by: Kensington at September 05, 2011 07:54 AM (uaEZS)
Yeah, that sounds very No Quarters. Although . . .
I bet his health will be pretty dicey as November 2012 rolls up. What kind of shape was Nixon in in the final days? I look forward to seeing Obama all catatonic and hunched with the caption, "This is your brain on Operation Fast and Furious."
Posted by: arhooley at September 05, 2011 07:55 AM (Bw7Ao)
Posted by: As If! at September 05, 2011 07:56 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: cherry pi at September 05, 2011 07:56 AM (OhYCU)
It helps to actually know individual policemen rather just considering them in the abstract as nebulous union goons. I'm sure enough in my town.
Keep in mind, it wouldn't even be necessary to have police saturation of all suburban precincts to stop the flash mob disruption. Once word got out that some departments were being mobilized, the mob crowd would have to start making risk/reward evaluations for further operations. Which means identifying/scouting target precincts for police presence. Which takes time-and they only have the day of the election to work with. Also, the rabble aren't exactly the most courageous lot-or they wouldn't be 'mobbing' in the first place.
Posted by: Methos at September 05, 2011 07:57 AM (sOXQX)
Posted by: SurferDoc at September 05, 2011 07:59 AM (STdkO)
Congratulations!
I get your point, but who among us could have predicted we'd see what we're seeing with this administration? We're all in uncharted waters.
How many people have you spoken to say this: "I've never seen anything like this before..."? More than a few, I'm guessing.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 05, 2011 08:00 AM (d0Tfm)
No, it's an idiot who called himself "Uncle Jed" and "D. Hopper" on a couple of other threads.
Posted by: Deathknyte at September 05, 2011 08:00 AM (2So9Z)
the risk/reward calculation is precisely the correct paradigm to analyze....
I suspect that Madison was an anomaly but I am not certain.
190 Soap McTavish,
yeah the Axelbots are out in force....
that's how you know it's past 11:00 am they are just getting out of bed.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 08:00 AM (AEIYh)
BaconStrips&
BaconStrips&
BaconStrips&...
Posted by: CAC at September 05, 2011 11:45 AM (JEVge)
That's a lot of whiskey - bacon
---muscles glasses in "Slaughterhouse"
Posted by: Bacon Voter at September 05, 2011 08:01 AM (7U2lm)
the old timers I know say it reminds them of '68 so we may have that going for us.....
the donk coalition is probably going to implode this cycle or if they hang together and fail by next.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 08:02 AM (AEIYh)
Did anyone see the footage of Christie following Obama around yesterday?....It was Obama's "tour of the NJ hurricane damage".
Oh man, I knew that Christie was portly........but I had never seen any full-body shots like that. Woah. He really needs to do something about that Humpty Dumpty look he's got going on.
Does anyone really think that that would not be used against him in a national election?
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 05, 2011 08:02 AM (riffu)
OT - The implosion of the EuroZone is well underway:
From The Telegraph
Exact-mully.
In the end, there will be only chaos.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 05, 2011 08:02 AM (9hSKh)
*ahem*
we just elected the "best looking man since Kennedy" and "the new jackie O"....
how's that working out for us?
I'll take the 350 pounder if need be.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 08:03 AM (AEIYh)
Trolls are late again to the thread, I see. They can have a pass today, it being a holiday.
Sarah, you betcha.
Posted by: irongrampa at September 05, 2011 08:03 AM (ud5dN)
They are always put forth on the basis that the current times are unlike anything we've seen before.
If you don't see this yet, just wait until we approach the 2016 or 2020 elections. It will happen all over again, regardless of who is in the White House.
Posted by: Kensington at September 05, 2011 08:03 AM (uaEZS)
yup which goes back to your and my chat on Grease either getting the boot or getting the Germans to leave.....
interesting days amongst the unelected oligarchs I bet....am wondering if they openly speak of having to thwart their electorates' will yet?
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 08:04 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 05, 2011 08:05 AM (ZDUD4)
you have any evidence that Chimpy hung around making his political bones with a guy who openly states "we may have to kill 25-30 million democrats to make the new system work"?
I can't recall the inverse of Barry's "Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers' problem.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 08:06 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at September 05, 2011 08:06 AM (iRlbA)
Ferals.
Neutering usually helps to tame them a bit.
Posted by: As If! at September 05, 2011 08:06 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 05, 2011 08:07 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: SurferDoc at September 05, 2011 08:07 AM (STdkO)
Ohio is not going to pull for bambi....conflating voter anger at the pain of the reforms Ohio is making to balance the budget does not mean that suddenly people are embracing Ogabe quite the opposite in greene and clark counties anyway....
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 08:08 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Tom In Korea at September 05, 2011 08:08 AM (WvvrM)
No it won't. Bill Ayers is a pussy.
Seriously, this say this crap every four years like clockwork. If you haven't noticed it before, you'll notice it next time, and by the time you see it through four or five cycles, you'll know it's just steam blowing.
Posted by: Kensington at September 05, 2011 08:09 AM (uaEZS)
Posted by: Kensington at September 05, 2011 08:11 AM (uaEZS)
Remembering '068 as I do, I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of flash mobs at polling places. That's be a new twist on the old lefty tactic of disrupting Things Political.
I do not think that would go over too well, but they're welcome to try if they feel they must. If they hit my precinct, I'll get every name I can find, whether they be protestors, organizers, enablers, bus drivers, hangers-oners and sympathizers and sue the everloving shit out of them.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 05, 2011 08:11 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Dead Children of WACO at September 05, 2011 08:11 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 05, 2011 08:12 AM (eOXTH)
Put a fork in it folks.
As I write this the DAX is down well over 5% and there are multiple banks that are lock-limit down and have been suspended over in Europe.
...
The fraud has finally caught up with the scammers and taking on more and more debt cover up unpayable debt has run its course. Nobody believes it any more, essentially. The market has called on the scams and frauds and is now serially demanding proof that the banks can fund their liabilities. It is doing so by driving down equity prices, forcing the institutions into a corner where their cash flow inadequacy is exposed.
Posted by: Methos at September 05, 2011 08:12 AM (sOXQX)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 05, 2011 08:13 AM (eOXTH)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 12:03 PM (AEIYh)
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So would I.....I was referring to how the DNC-media would tear him up about it.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 05, 2011 08:14 AM (riffu)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 05, 2011 08:14 AM (ZDUD4)
It's tougher for women to carry. Our clothing generally doesn't hide it well. I'm hoping to have open carry in Florida in the not-too-distant future so that I don't have to worry about going to jail if my blouse should shift and someone catches a glimpse of it. Presently, I don't carry.
There's always purse-carry but, damnit, I'm not giving up my designer bags. Instead, I've been thinking about going to a leather-smith and having a pocket added to them.
Posted by: As If! at September 05, 2011 08:16 AM (piMMO)
And yet the elections went on as scheduled, as they always do.
Posted by: Kensington at September 05, 2011 08:16 AM (uaEZS)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 05, 2011 08:17 AM (eOXTH)
I wonder what would happen if there were flash mobs in the polls and citizens' arrests were made to quell the violence?
Would that even be legal?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 05, 2011 08:18 AM (d0Tfm)
I don't think there will be violence if Obama wins, unless it's the kind of celebratory violence that follows the NBA championships sometimes.
Posted by: Kensington at September 05, 2011 08:18 AM (uaEZS)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 05, 2011 08:19 AM (ZDUD4)
Didn't a hell of a lot of Mexicans flee Arizona for New Mexico after Brewer started tightening the noose? It seems I read that somewhere.
Posted by: As If! at September 05, 2011 08:19 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 05, 2011 08:19 AM (eOXTH)
He likes throwing his weight around.
Posted by: As If! at September 05, 2011 08:20 AM (piMMO)
227......I wonder what would happen if there were flash mobs in the polls and citizens' arrests were made to quell the violence?
Would that even be legal?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at September 05, 2011 12:18 PM (d0Tfm)
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Been wondering the same thing.
We saw in 2000 how just one contested state turned into a big hairy deal which lasted for nearly 2 months and ended up in the Supreme Court....... A few well-placed flash mob events at polling sites could throw several state elections into 'contested mode'.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 05, 2011 08:21 AM (riffu)
I'm thinking a simple leather flap added to the body side of the bags. With a zipper. Something I could put my hand into when walking out of work at night. Of course, my bags are so big now, I could just carry it in a zippered pouch inside my bag.
Hmmm. That might work.
I can't carry on my person at work anyway.
Posted by: As If! at September 05, 2011 08:23 AM (piMMO)
Would that even be legal?
You could always give it a try.
Posted by: Malik Shabazz at September 05, 2011 08:25 AM (piMMO)
Um, the times today and tomorrow ARE unlike anything in living memory. The disorderly unwind of 30 years of fake growth through debt is not something any of us has lived through. A President who openly advocates political violence against real Americans ("get in their faces", "punish our political enemies") is not something we've seen before. The ongoing restoration of the caliphate as its monuments are built in our lands (and folks like DrewM bashing candidates who seek to stop it undercutting our survival in favor of religious freedom for savages) is not something we've seen before.
Decent folk have every right to be on edge these days.
Posted by: Methos at September 05, 2011 08:25 AM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Oldsailors Poet at September 05, 2011 08:25 AM (ZDUD4)
1) you keep acting like Bambi is "just like all the rest" he is not he is hiding his transcripts because he is either a c student or you can see he was very openly a borderline communist by his course selection
2) it is not unhealthy that the party out of power is borederline paranoid about the sanctity of the election process it is healthy I am not talking about doing a LARP of American Civil War the sequel I am however talking about being ever vigilant as regards their usual baseline cheating on the other side of the aisle and the extraordinary cheating like the NBP's antics in Philly.
If we all are hyper-vigilant he won't be able to do a soft voter intimidation routine it'll be hard.
I think the more realistic scenario is he loses and whether close or by a wide margin he shows more work in his last 70 days via EOs and executive branch games as he can.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 08:28 AM (AEIYh)
look into wearing a small frame pistol in the small of your back and wear a lot of blouses.....
female LE and undercover soldiers wear anything smaller than a Beretta easily....
maybe a Colt mustang?
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 08:30 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: As If! at September 05, 2011 12:16 PM (piMMO)
I mentioned these here some time ago. The Farmer's wife likes them, and in particular she likes that they feature lots of inside pockets. With a name like Hobo Bags, how could you go wrong?
Posted by: Piñon Farmer at September 05, 2011 08:31 AM (IzuWw)
Posted by: SurferDoc at September 05, 2011 08:34 AM (STdkO)
The United States does not need an overt government controlled media right now to suit Obama's purposes they are worse than Pravda and in the bag for him in many ways. The Soviet media was not as firmly invested in the sanctity of any individual Politburo member as the US press is Ogabe after Uncle Joe. The media grasps that by ignoring the glaring questions in his life in '08 they are going to suffer if he loses by a wide margin for at least a decade.
Their power to undercut the next GOP president will probably be diminished by their mad overreach in the Ogabe era.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 08:50 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 05, 2011 08:53 AM (niZvt)
what's funny is I think we're more likely to get invaded by martians than have two of those three occur....
the dirty little secret is TARP and the Stimulus have already blown their wads.
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 08:55 AM (AEIYh)
And I'm so confident in this I'll wager $5,000 against anyone who wants to bet otherwise.
Posted by: Kensington at September 05, 2011 08:56 AM (uaEZS)
You having 5 grand to risk at all speaks well of the barackcovery, I guess I am cowed....
I'd gamble 10-100 not a grand.
I am about 95% certain things will go off as they usually do and if/when bambi gets his ass handed to him he goes full tard on EOs and granting pardons that make him look like a Thug who got into the national Honor Society somehow....
I'll bet THAT scenario to you for a hundred cuber bucks.....
care to quibble w/me on it?
Posted by: sven10077 at September 05, 2011 08:58 AM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 05, 2011 08:59 AM (YYUcU)
Oh, good lord, no! That was just hyperbole. 5 grand! Are you crazy? What if that SCOAMF JEF really does suspend the election!
Posted by: Kensington at September 05, 2011 09:15 AM (uaEZS)
The election won't be suspended, but count on idiots showing their asses at the polls, especially if closer to the election it looks for sure that Obama will lose.
There will be riots and violence. Count on it.
Posted by: Steph at September 05, 2011 09:21 AM (hfrm2)
"
Hoffa Threatens GOP At Obama Event: "Let's Take These Son Of Bitches Out"
Teamsters President Jimmy
Hoffa had some profane, combative words for Republicans while warming up
the crowd for President Obama in Detroit, Michigan on Monday.
"We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers.
And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is
only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working
people is we like a good fight. And you know what? They've got a war,
they got a war with us and there's only going to be one winner. It's
going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. We're going to win
that war," Jimmy Hoffa Jr. said to a heavily union crowd.
"President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let's take
these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we
belong," Hoffa added.
Obama was due to speak shortly after Hoffa addressed the crowd."
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