December 11, 2011
— CAC Consider this a go-to source for later when you want to "quote" a poll (or when you want to catch another moron making shit up).
If you catch wind of a poll (complete with crosstabs), feel free to shoot me an email to theoneandonlyfinn at gmail.com.
The initial edition will be short, but that won't last. If a state has more than 3 polls, older polls will be abbreviated to a URL link. After 6 polls per office per state, oldest will be dumped to keep this somewhat readable. You can thank me later.
I will update this post throughout the week, bumping every Sunday as a recap of data collected. Ace and the rest of the co-bloggers will have posts on particularly damning polls, this thread will be updated throughout the next year to keep all available data in one spot.
***NOTE- If you are sending me polls, I will NOT be listing polling published days and weeks before this thread started. So data from, say, a primary poll in September is not going to be listed.*** NATIONAL ELECTION POLLING (PRIMARY)
GALLUP
National Presidential Primary (R)
Newt Gingrich 37%
Mitt Romney 23%
Ron Paul 9%
Rick Perry 6%
Michele Bachmann 6%
Rick Santorum 2%
Jon Huntsman 1%
FOX NEWS
National Presidential Primary (R)
Newt Gingrich 36%
Mitt Romney 23%
Ron Paul 12%
Rick Perry 8%
Michele Bachmann 5%
Rick Santorum 4%
Jon Huntsman 2%
Gary Johnson 0%
Buddy Roemer 0%
Fred Karger 0%
YOUGOV
National Presidential Primary(R)
Newt Gingrich 31%
Mitt Romney 15%
Ron Paul 11%
Rick Perry 9%
Rick Santorum 7%
Michele Bachmann 6%
Jon Huntsman 6%
Gary Johnson 2%
National Presidential Primary-FDU- Gingrich by 13
National Primary Poll-RASMUSSEN Gingrich by 21
National Primary Poll POLLPOSITION Gingrich by 9
NATIONAL ELECTION POLLING (GENERAL)
FOX NEWS
National General Election President
Barack Obama 44%
Mitt Romney 42%
Barack Obama 46%
Newt Gingrich 40%
RASMUSSEN
National President
Newt Gingrich 40%
Barack Obama 45%
Barack Obama 46%
Rick Perry 34%
Barack Obama 41%
Jon Huntsman 34%
YOUGOV
National President- FDU- Obama by 4 over Romney, 6 over Gingrich
Polls are organized by state, then listed in order from newest to oldest.
Alaska
Arizona
Public Policy Polling
US SENATE PRIMARY(R) POLL
US SENATE GENERAL ELECTION POLL
Wil Cardon (R) 35%
Jeff Flake 40%
Wil Cardon 35%
US PRESIDENT GENERAL ELECTION POLL
Arkansas
California
PRIMARY (R)
US GENERAL ELECTION (Field)
PUBLIC POLICY POLLING
PUBLIC POLICY POLLING
Connecticut
Delaware is the result of overactive imaginations and hundreds of years of lies in the Encycolpedia Britannica. I am forced to leave a spot here, but I refuse to acknowledge this "state" and pray for the day it gets Pluto'd.
Florida
SURVEY USA
NBC NEWS/MARIST
TIME/CNN
PRESIDENT-PRIMARY(R) QUINNIPIAC- Gingrich by 1
US PRESIDENT PRIMARY (R)-InsiderAdvantage Gingrich by 24
US PRESIDENT PRIMARY (R) PPP- Gingrich by 30
PUBLIC POLICY POLLING
PUBLIC POLICY POLLING
RASMUSSEN REPORTS:
QUINNIPIAC
NBC NEWS/MARIST
PUBLIC POLICY POLLING
RASMUSSEN REPORTS
Georgia
INSIDER ADVANTAGE
SURVEY USA
SURVEY USA
Idaho
Illinois
Indiana
CBS/NYT
WE ASK AMERICA
TIME/CNN
REPUBLICAN PRIMARY(CAUCUS)-ABC/WaPo Gingrich by 13
PPP REPUBLICAN PRIMARY PRESIDENT (CAUCUS) Gingrich by 9
PRIMARY (R) MARIST/NBC Gingrich by 8
MARIST/NBC
Kansas
Newt Gingrich 40%
Kentucky
Louisiana
Clarus Research Group
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
UMass
Michigan
MIRS/Practical Political Consulting
STRATEGIC NATIONAL
EPIC-MRA
EPIC-MRA
EPIC-MRA
Barack Obama (D) 45%
Barack Obama (D) 50%
Minnesota
Missouri
Montana
GOVERNOR-PRIMARY (R)
PRESIDENT PRIMARY (R)
US SENATE
US PRESIDENT General Election
GOVERNOR-GENERAL
Nebraska
MAGELLAN
Nevada
New Hampshire
TIME/CNN
NBC/MARIST
RASMUSSEN
The Polling Company REPUBLICAN PRIMARY POLL Romney by 17
Suffolk U REPUBLICAN PRIMARY POLL Romney by 27
ARG REPUBLICAN PRIMARY POLL (Romney by 11)
NBC/MARIST
UNH
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Carolina
PUBLIC POLICY POLLING
GOVERNOR- DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY
PUBLIC POLICY POLLING
PRESIDENT-GENERAL
QUINNIPIAC
Oklahoma
Oregon
Barack Obama 51%
Pennsylvania
QUINNIPIAC
Public Policy Polling (D)
US SENATE PRIMARY POLL (R)
QUINNIPIAC
MUHLENBERG COLLEGE/MORNING CALL
PUBLIC POLICY POLLING
Barack Obama 47%
Barack Obama 53%
Barack Obama 49%
Barack Obama 46%
Barack Obama 51%
*PPP made the rare "tiebreaker" comment that amongst undecideds, Obama is at 24% favorability, giving the tie to the Republican.
PUBLIC POLICY POLLING
Rhode Island
South Carolina
NBC NEWS/MARIST
WINTRHOP U
TIME/CNN
REPUBLICAN PRIMARY POLL -ARG- Gingrich by 11
REPUBLICAN PRIMARY POLL-TPC Gingrich by 14
NBC NEWS/MARIST (same link)
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Virginia
Washington
SURVEY USA
US SENATE
GOVERNOR
US PRESIDENT
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming
***GORE00 STATE WATCH***
Michigan (see EPIC poll)- Romney leads by 5, Gingrich trails by only 5.
Pennsylvania (see PPP, Quinn, Muhl)- Romney trails Obama avg 2, Santorum trails by 5, Paul by 4.
Iowa (see Marist poll)- Paul ties Obama.
Posted by: CAC at
09:00 AM
| Comments (245)
National President(/a>
Barack Obama 46%
Mitt Romney 44%
Barack Obama 46%
Ron Paul 44%
Barack Obama 46%
Newt Gingrich 42%
STATE BY STATE POLLING DATA (GENERAL, PRIMARY, PRESIDENT AND SENATE)
Presidential Poll Data first, Senate data second.
Alabama
NONE
NONE
REPUBLICAN PRIMARY POLL
Newt Gingrich 28%
Mitt Romney 23%
Herman Cain 17%
Ron Paul 8%
Jon Huntsman 5%
Rick Santorum 3%
Michele Bachmann 3%
Rick Perry 3%
Gary Johnson 0%
Jeff Flake 53%
Wil Cardon 7%
Bryan Hackbarth 5%
Clair Van Steenwyk 2%
Douglas McKee 1%
Jeff Flake (R) 42%
Don Bivens (D) 32%
Don Bivens 27%
Richard Carmona (D) 36%
Richard Carmona 33%
Mitt Romney (R) 49%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 42%
Ron Paul (R) 44%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 43%
Newt Gingrich (R) 45%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 45%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 46%
Herman Cain (R) 42%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 47%
Rick Perry (R) 40%
NONE
Mitt Romney 26%
Newt Gingrich 23%
Herman Cain 9%
Ron Paul 5%
Rick Perry 3%
Michele Bachmann 3%
Rick Santorum 2%
Jon Huntsman 1%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 50%
Mitt Romney (R) 40%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 55%
Newt Gingrich (R) 35%
Colorado
PRESIDENT-PRIMARY(R)
Newt Gingrich 37%
Mitt Romney 18%
Michele Bachmann 9%
Ron Paul 6%
Rick Perry 4%
Rick Santorum 4%
Jon Huntsman 3%
Gary Johnson 1%
PRESIDENT-GENERAL
Barack Obama 50%
Newt Gingrich 42%
Barack Obama 48%
Ron Paul 39%
Barack Obama 52%
Rick Perry 37%
Barack Obama 47%
Mitt Romney 45%
NONE
NONE
PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY(R)
Newt Gingrich 45%
Mitt Romney 23%
Michele Bachmann 6%
Rick Perry 5%
Ron Paul 4%
Jon Huntsman 3%
Rick Santorum 2%
PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY(R)
Newt Gingrich 42%
Mitt Romney 27%
Ron Paul 8%
Rick Perry 4%
Michele Bachmann 3%
Jon Huntsman 2%
Rick Santorum 2%
PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY(R)
Newt Gingrich 48%
Mitt Romney 25%
Ron Paul 5%
Everyone else- low single digits
US SENATE PRIMARY(R)
Connie Mack IV 40%
George LeMieux 12%
Mike McCalister 4%
Adam Hasner 3%
Craig Miller 3%
US SENATE GENERAL
Bill Nelson (D-inc) 46%
Connie Mack IV (R) 35%
Bill Nelson (D-inc) 47%
George LeMeuix (R) 32%
Bill Nelson (D-inc) 48%
Adam Hasner (R) 33%
Bill Nelson (D-inc) 49%
Craig Miller (R) 30%
Bill Nelson (D-inc) 47%
Mike McCalister (R) 32%
U. S. SENATE
Connie Mack (R) 43% Bill Nelson (D-inc) 39%
Bill Nelson (D-inc) 39% George LeMieux (R) 33%
Bill Nelson (D-inc) 40% Adam Hasner (R) 31%
GENERAL ELECTION PRESIDENT
Mitt Romney 45%
Barack Obama 42%
Barack Obama 46%
Newt Gingrich 44%
GENERAL ELECTION PRESIDENT
Barack Obama 51%
Newt Gingrich 39%
Barack Obama 48%
Mitt Romney 41%
US PRESIDENT GENERAL ELECTION
Barack Obama (D-inc) 45%
Mitt Romney (R) 44%**
Barack Obama (D-inc) 46%
Ron Paul 40%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 50%
Newt Gingrich (R) 44%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 50%
Rick Perry (R) 38%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 51%
Herman Cain (R) 37%
**Note, 3rd time PPP has done this (previously with North Carolina and Pennsylvania), giving the undecideds to Romney and claiming that Obama would "probably lose".
PRESIDENT
Mitt Romney (R) 46% Barack Obama (D-inc) 42%
Newt Gingrich (R) 43% Barack Obama (D-inc) 45%
Herman Cain (R) 37% Barack Obama (D-inc) 46%
REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY
Newt Gingrich 54%
Mitt Romney 12%
Ron Paul 6%
Michele Bachmann 4%
Rick Perry 3%
Rick Santorum 2%
Jon Huntsman 2%
REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY
Newt Gingrich 65%
Mitt Romney 12%
Michele Bachmann 5%
Ron Paul 5%
Rick Perry 4%
Rick Santorum 1%
Jon Huntsman 1%
PRESIDENT-GENERAL
Mitt Romney 49%
Barack Obama 42%
Newt Gingrich 48%
Barack Obama 42%
Hawaii
NONE
NONE
NONE
NONE
Iowa
REPUBLICAN PRIMARY(CAUCUS)
Newt Gingrich 31%
Mitt Romney 17%
Ron Paul 16%
Rick Perry 11%
Michele Bachmann 9%
Rick Santorum 4%
REPUBLICAN PRIMARY(CAUCUS)
Newt Gingrich 30%
Mitt Romney 16%
Ron Paul 14%
Michele Bachmann 13%
Rick Perry 7%
Rick Santorum 4%
Jon Huntsman 3%
REPUBLICAN PRIMARY (CAUCUS)
Newt Gingrich 33%
Mitt Romney 20%
Ron Paul 17%
Rick Perry 9%
Michele Bachmann 7%
Rick Santorum 5%
Jon Huntsman 1%
US PRESIDENT GENERAL ELECTION
Barack Obama (D-inc) 46%
Mitt Romney (R) 39%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 47%
Newt Gingrich (R) 37%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 42%
Ron Paul (R) 42%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 48%
Rick Perry (R) 37%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 54%
Michele Bachmann (R) 31%
SURVEY USA
US PRESIDENT (General Election)
Barack Obama 39%
Mitt Romney 48%
Barack Obama 45%
NONE
PRIMARY(R)
Newt Gingrich 31%
Mitt Romney 23%
Herman Cain 12%
Rick Perry 11%
Ron Paul 6%
Michele Bachmann 4%
Buddy Roemer 2%
Jon Huntsman 1%
Rick Santorum 0%
NONE
NONE
US SENATE-GENERAL
Elizabeth Warren (D) 49%
Scott Brown (R-inc) 42%
PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY (R)
Mitt Romney 48%
Newt Gingrich 33%
Michele Bachmann 11%
Rick Perry 7%
PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY (R)
Newt Gingrich 31%
Mitt Romney 29%
Ron Paul 7%
Michele Bachmann 6%
Jon Huntsman 4%
Rick Santorum 3%
Rick Perry 3%
PRIMARY(R)
Mitt Romney 34%
Newt Gingrich 20%
Herman Cain 13%
Ron Paul 8%
Rick Perry 5%
Michelle Bachmann 3%
John Huntsman 2%
Rick Santorum 2%
US SENATE
Debbie Stabenow (D-inc) 48%
Pete Hoekstra (R) 42%
US PRESIDENT (GENERAL ELECTION)
Barack Obama (D-inc) 41%
Mitt Romney (R) 46%
Newt Gingrich (R) 40%
Herman Cain (R) 36%
NONE
Mississippi
NONE
NONE
PUBLIC POLICY POLLING
Rick Hill 37%
Ken Miller 10%
Jeff Essmann 5%
Jim Lynch 4%
Jim OÂ’Hara 3%
Neil Livingstone 3%
Corey Stapleton 2%
Bob Fanning 1%
Newt Gingrich 37%
Ron Paul 12%
Mitt Romney 11%
Herman Cain 10%
Michele Bachmann 10%
Rick Perry 5%
Jon Huntsman 3%
Rick Santorum 1%
Gary Johnson 1%
Danny Rehberg (R) 47%
Jon Tester (D-inc) 45%
Mitt Romney (R) 50%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 40%
Newt Gingrich (R) 50%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 42%
Herman Cain (R) 45%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 43%
Ron Paul (R) 48%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 40%
Rick Perry (R) 46%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 43%
Steve Bullock (D) 42%
Jeff Essmann (R) 30%
Steve Bullock (D) 41%
Neil Livingstone (R) 29%
Steve Bullock (D) 40%
Ken Miller (R) 31%
Rick Hill (R) 39%
Steve Bullock (D) 38%
Jeff Essmann (R) 30%
US SENATE
Jon Bruning (R) 45%
Ben Nelson (D-inc) 39%
Don Stenberg (R) 41%
Ben Nelson (D-inc) 40%
Dave Heineman (R) 51%
Ben Nelson (D-inc) 33%
Ben Nelson (D-inc) 41%
Deb Fischer (R) 35%
NONE
PRESIDENT PRIMARY(R)
Mitt Romney 35%
Newt Gingrich 26%
Ron Paul 17%
Jon Huntsman 8%
Every One Else – Low Single Digits
REPUBLICAN PRIMARY
Mitt Romney 39%
Newt Gingrich 23%
Ron Paul 16%
Jon Huntsman 9%
Rick Perry 3%
Michele Bachmann 3%
Herman Cain 2%
Rick Santorum 1%
REPUBLICAN PRIMARY POLL
Mitt Romney 34%
Newt Gingrich 24%
Herman Cain 14%
Ron Paul 11%
REPUBLICAN PRIMARY POLL- UNH- Romney by 27
GENERAL ELECTION POLL
Mitt Romney (R) 49%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 40%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 49%
Newt Gingrich (R) 39%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 44%
Ron Paul (R) 40%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 51%
Rick Perry (R) 36%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 53%
Michele Bachmann (R) 33%
GENERAL ELECTION POLL
Barack Obama 44%
Mitt Romney 47%
NONE
NONE
NONE
GOVERNOR-GENERAL
Pat McCrory (R) 50%
Bev Perdue(D-inc) 40%
Pat McCrory (R) 47%
Bill Faison (D) 26%
Bev Perdue 55%
Bill Faison 23%
PRESIDENT-PRIMARY(R)
Newt Gingrich 51%
Mitt Romney 14%
Michele Bachmann 8%
Ron Paul 7%
Rick Perry 4%
Rick Santorum 3%
Jon Huntsman 1%
Gary Johnson 0%
Mitt Romney 46%
Barack Obama 46%
Barack Obama 49%
Newt Gingrich 45%
Barack Obama 47%
Ron Paul 42%
Barack Obama 50%
Rick Perry 42%
North Dakota
NONE
Ohio
QUINNIPIAC
PRESIDENT-PRIMARY(R)
Newt Gingrich 36%
Mitt Romney 18%
Ron Paul 7%
Herman Cain 7%
Michele Bachmann 5%
Rick Perry 4%
Rick Santorum 2%
Jon Huntsman 1%
PRESIDENT-GENERAL
Mitt Romney 43%
Barack Obama 42%
Newt Gingrich 43%
Barack Obama 42%
NONE
SURVEY USA
GENERAL ELECTION POLL
Barack Obama 48%
Mitt Romney 40%
Newt Gingrich 37%
PRESIDENT-PRIMARY(R)
Newt Gingrich 31%
Mitt Romney 17%
Rick Santorum 9%
Ron Paul 7%
Herman Cain 3%
Michele Bachmann 3%
Rick Perry 3%
Jon Huntsman 3%
REPUBLICAN PRIMARY POLL
Newt Gingrich 32%
Herman Cain 15%
Mitt Romney 12%
Rick Santorum 12%
Ron Paul 9%
Michele Bachmann 5%
Jon Huntsman 3%
Rick Perry 3%
Gary Johnson 0%
Sam Rohrer 25%
Tim Burns 15%
Tom Smith 3%
Laureen Cummings 2%
John Vernon 1%
Steve Welch 1%
Marc Scaringi 0%
PRESIDENT-GENERAL
Barack Obama 46%
Mitt Romney 43%
Barack Obama 48%
Newt Gingrich 40%
PRESIDENT-GENERAL
Barack Obama 45%
Mitt Romney 41%
Barack Obama 52%
Newt Gingrich 35%
Barack Obama 48%
Rick Perry 30%
US PRESIDENT GENERAL ELECTION POLL
Mitt Romney 45%*
Barack Obama 45%*
Rick Santorum 42%
Herman Cain 35%
Newt Gingrich 43%
Ron Paul 42%
Rick Perry 38%
MUHLENBERG COLLEGE/MORNING CALL
US SENATE (GENERAL)
BOB CASEY 49%
R candidate 27%
PPP-US SENATE GENERAL ELECTION POLL
Bob Casey (D-inc) 49%
Tim Burns (R) 34%
Bob Casey (D-inc) 47%
Sam Rohrer (R) 36%
Bob Casey (D-inc) 48%
Tom Smith (R) 32%
Bob Casey (D-inc) 47%
Steve Welch (R) 33%
Bob Casey (D-inc) 49%
Rick Santorum (R) 39%
NONE
PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY(R)
Newt Gingrich 41%
Mitt Romney 21%
Ron Paul 8%
Michele Bachmann 6%
Rick Perry 6%
Jon Huntsman 3%
Rick Santorum 2%
PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY(R)
Newt Gingrich 38%
Mitt Romney 22%
Rick Perry 9%
Herman Cain 7%
Michele Bachmann 5%
Ron Paul 4%
Rick Santorum 3%
Jon Huntsman 1%
Gary Johnson 0%
PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY(R)
Newt Gingrich 43%
Mitt Romney 20%
Rick Perry 8%
Michele Bachmann 6%
Ron Paul 6%
Rick Santorum 4%
Jon Huntsman 1%
GENERAL ELECTION PRESIDENT
Barack Obama (D) 46%
Newt Gingrich (R) 42%
Barack Obama (D) 45%
Mitt Romney (R) 42%
NONE
NONE
NONE
NONE
NONE
NONE
Maria Cantwell (D-inc) 51%
Michael Baumgartner (R) 39%
Maria Cantwell (D-inc) 48%
Dave Reichert (R) 41%
Maria Cantwell (D-inc) 49%
Susan Hutchison (R) 38%
Rob McKenna (R) 44%
Jay Inslee (D) 38%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 49%
Mitt Romney (R) 41%
Barack Obama (D-inc) 56%
Newt Gingrich (R) 37%
NONE
NONE
NONE
Added 12/4/2011 edition, condensed tracking of Republican performance in the states that went to Al Gore in the 2000 election, the last time a Republican flipped the White House (see why that is important here).
Post contains 2447 words, total size 26 kb.
Newt could go all the way. I heard there was a poll of him tieing Romney in NH? I dont believe it or was that an outlier.
The first real test will be South Carolina.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 20, 2011 07:40 AM (8JLZe)
Newt could go all the way.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka
Except for one thing.. He's Newt Gingrich.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2011 07:45 AM (UTq/I)
The Florida poll is interesting.
National polls are, IMHO, pretty much worthless right now except for perhaps a vague indicator of where things are heading.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2011 07:48 AM (UTq/I)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2011 11:45 AM (UTq/I)
At least he aint Mitt, I'll tell you that much.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 20, 2011 07:48 AM (8JLZe)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 20, 2011 07:50 AM (8JLZe)
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 20, 2011 07:50 AM (gc4Jn)
I have >.< much confidence in anything related to that state.
Posted by: Gmac at November 20, 2011 07:51 AM (e8I/V)
I missed a phone call from some holy roller ranchers and the girl left a "That's a very interesting recording." on my phone.
My answer recording says, "Hello! Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure."
Posted by: Mr. Dave at November 20, 2011 07:52 AM (d/Fjl)
With that said, Newt is my second choice at this point. A distant second, but still my second.
Posted by: Evan at November 20, 2011 07:52 AM (O3OlP)
Trivia - The last Dem to carry my county in FL (Brevard - Cape Canaveral) was LBJ in 1964.
Posted by: Mike in CFL at November 20, 2011 07:55 AM (motsG)
What does Newt have that is better than Mitt? This is not a fanboy question, it is a serious one and I think it would be good to list the pros/cons of each. I can only think of two and 1/2 things that Newt has going for him that are better than Mitt:
They way he handles the press - genius!
Debates - Newt has a slight edge here, both do well, but Newt usually does better.
Newt is the right color - Mitt is the wrong color which will influence the bigots in and out of the party.
Posted by: Evan at November 20, 2011 07:58 AM (O3OlP)
Posted by: Evan at November 20, 2011 11:52 AM (O3OlP)
Who's your first? Perry? Anyway, Newt has done a better job at defending himself than Cain. His baggage has been attacked for a couple weeks already. Nothing happened.
For Cain, I think what brought him down was incompetence. And not knowing anything.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 20, 2011 07:58 AM (8JLZe)
Posted by: chemjeff at November 20, 2011 08:01 AM (s7mIC)
What does Newt have that is better than Mitt?
---------------------
He actually did conservative things while in office. Couches with Nancy Pelosi are not that big of a deal with me to Mitt's baggage. Mitt advocates liberal stuff while in office and outta office.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 20, 2011 08:02 AM (8JLZe)
Posted by: chemjeff at November 20, 2011 12:01 PM (s7mIC)
True. But Mitt is inherently liberal. Might as well go for the one that is conservative. And Newt would obliterate Obama. While Mitt would praise him and say he would work with Democrats as President
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 20, 2011 08:04 AM (8JLZe)
The Florida poll is interesting.
That's right. Nelson has been a libtard for his entire career, but with NASA now essentially gone, he serves no useful purpose here anymore.
And the thought of another (hopefully) conservative to accompany Rubio fills me with hope of change (the good kind this time). This state is turning red, we got rid of the Idiot Alan Grayson (who's considering another run, good luck with that, asshole), after being fooled along with the rest of the country.
Aging baby-boomers finally waking up? 'Bout damned time.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 20, 2011 08:12 AM (d0Tfm)
15 yeah I think both Newt and Mitt are windsocks, their views change with the breeze
Yeah and I'm okay with that. It's really up to us to make sure that wind is blowing in the right direction. As Milton Friedman said, thats about the best we can ever do- make it beneficial for the wrong people to do the right things.
Posted by: bernverdnardo at November 20, 2011 08:13 AM (xXhWA)
I REALLY appreciate the work involved in producing this, but may I suggest that, instead of listing every state without any data like this:
Alabama
NONE
Alaska
NONE
Arizona
NONE
Arkansas
NONE
California
NONE
Colorado
NONE
...etc, etc, etc...
...instead say something like "States not listed have no data" or something, to save you some unnecessary work.
Posted by: ZogTheFuzzy at November 20, 2011 08:17 AM (HoeMo)
As Milton Friedman said, thats about the best we can ever do- make it beneficial for the wrong people to do the right things.
Not to be a smartass or anything, but how do we do that with the wrong people in place in Washington? We need a house cleaning up there like an OWS'er needs a shower, which is to say, desperately, and soon.
Did Friedman ever mention how? I'm too lazy to look it up.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 20, 2011 08:17 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: motionview at November 20, 2011 08:18 AM (zRbkQ)
He also had a majority of republicans and ended up getting fired from that position because he was so squishy in his resolve. Contract with america died because of Newt. Many freshman at the time were deeply disappointed with how Newt's rhetoric did not match his leadership.
Mitt was praised by conservatives in 08 for how well he governed such a liberal state as Mass. I do not give Newt the win on this.
Couches with Nancy Pelosi are not that big of a deal with me to Mitt's baggage.
That is just one of many, many, many things that Newt has done that backstab the conservative movement. Its not just the couch, its Scozzifava, his open opposition to Paul Ryan, shilling for Freddie and Fanny and then lieing about it, supporting a national health care mandate (until last month - ooops, supporting rev. Al Sharpton in education reform (unspecified), and so much more!
Mitt's baggage - he changed position on abortion, he increased the tax on guns and supported the assault rifle ban (jerk), and not sure if this would be "baggage" but he gets too cautious on some issues.
Newt "wins" the baggage department.
Posted by: Evan at November 20, 2011 08:20 AM (O3OlP)
Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 20, 2011 08:23 AM (Vd7A0)
Posted by: bernverdnardo at November 20, 2011 08:29 AM (xXhWA)
Newt "wins" the baggage department.
Which is the best reason why Perry is my dude. He's been releasing his position on a lot of issues with very little attention over the past couple of weeks: a flat tax, zero-based budgeting and the like convince me that he has all the Moron-approved principles of limited government.
Oh, and thanks, CAC, for your work.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 20, 2011 08:29 AM (d0Tfm)
Newt "wins" the baggage department.
Posted by: Evan at November 20, 2011 12:20 PM (O3OlP)
Who's your first choice Evan? I'm guessing it's Mitt seeing as how little you listed in Mitt's baggage department. Mitt increased taxes and destroyed business in the state. It's why my father had to move out. He destroyed healthcare and damaged it in MA for generation. Sitting on a couch with Pelosi and that whole Dede Scozzafoffa stuff is just that, stuff. It did not do half of the things Romney has done. Not to mention how Mutt supported the GM bailouts and congrgulated Obama on being brave. Plus Newt just seems like a person compared to Romney. Romney just does not seem likable and wont get much of the base vote and will lose to Obama. He is just TIEING Obama in national polls and media has not come out to get him. Newt has his baggage already seen. The mittbots are in full force because we the people do not want a piece of shit like Romney.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 20, 2011 08:30 AM (8JLZe)
Posted by: booger at November 20, 2011 08:30 AM (EjNp5)
But obviosly, some politicians we simply cannot work with. I think we could push Mitt or Newt into the right positions.
Agreed. A veto-proof, relatively conservative Republican Congress would help immensely in that regard. Mitt would be the greatest recipient of that *ahem* gentle nudging, and Neut, being the windsock, would just ride the wave IMO. President Perry wouldn't have any any need to be persuaded, he's already there.
Just the thought of that is enough to send me to my bunk...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 20, 2011 08:37 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Sukie Tawdry at November 20, 2011 08:38 AM (MPtFW)
Pete Hoekstra (R) 42%
Right there is the reason that Michigan can't un-bone itself
Posted by: kbdabear at November 20, 2011 08:38 AM (Y+DPZ)
Just the thought of that is enough to send me to my bunk...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 20, 2011 12:37 PM (d0Tfm)
I disagree. Mitt will be in office for himself. Do you think Boehnor and McConnell will push someone.I'm voting for the Anybody but Romney in the primary. If Romney wins the nom, I'll just wait until 2016 but I think someone will have to fight Romney.
Where the fuck is Perry? He was supposed to be the goddamn savior here?
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 20, 2011 08:40 AM (8JLZe)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 20, 2011 08:41 AM (HZbzj)
Posted by: Totally Irrational Political Malcontent at November 20, 2011 08:42 AM (rJVPU)
Posted by: Evan
..........
Nothing, of course.
The "Not Romney" folks who are completely unwilling to overlook Romney's past, are very willing to dismiss all the liberal policy stances and foibles of their current pick.
Newt sitting on a couch with Pelosi in an ad that says "we can solve climate change" is easily excusable to them where Mitt's flip flops on GW are entirely unacceptable RINO sins.
It makes no sense.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 20, 2011 08:46 AM (UTq/I)
Posted by: Buck Ofama at November 20, 2011 08:49 AM (dA+VE)
Romney
Mitt increased taxes and destroyed business in the state.
Mitt lowered taxes but raised fees (which are a tax but one based on consumption of government services). Where are you getting your data on "destroyed business"? All the data I have seen shows that when Romney took over, Mass. employment and new business increased.
It's why my father had to move out.
Sorry to that he moved out because of bad business, but based on the data, this is an anecdotal piece of evidence - not a general trend.
He destroyed healthcare and damaged it in MA for generation.
Totally disagree - again based on the data. MA healthcare was in trouble when he took office. When I have asked others to answer what they would have done to solve the problem of freeloaders using the ER - I get silence. Romney was praised in 08 for his MA health care solution. Since then Deval Patrick has added a whole bunch of crap on top of what Romney passed it is going to collapse the whole system.
Sitting on a couch with Pelosi and that whole Dede Scozzafoffa stuff is just that, stuff.
It's just "stuff" when Newt does it? It sounds to me if your bias is showing a little bit. If Mitt did those things, it would not be "just stuff".
It did not do half of the things Romney has done.
What great evils has Romney done that have suddenly made him go from "the conservatives conservative" to quote Laura Ingraham in 08 to the liberal version of the beast in 11? So your saying that Newt's "stuff" is ok because he was not in office - does this not show a pattern. When Newt was in office he totally screwed up the conservative revolution that he helped start!
Not to mention how Mutt supported the GM bailouts and congrgulated Obama on being brave. Plus Newt just seems like a person compared to Romney. Romney just does not seem likable and wont get much of the base vote and will lose to Obama. He is just TIEING Obama in national polls and media has not come out to get him. Newt has his baggage already seen. The mittbots are in full force because we the people do not want a piece of shit like Romney.
Posted by: Evan at November 20, 2011 08:52 AM (O3OlP)
Romney did not support the GM bailouts the way you presented. He wanted GM to go through bankruptcy and do it in a lawful manner. Then he was ok with GM getting help (which I still disagree with but it is not nearly the way your presenting it).
As for the polls - Romney is the only one (at this point) that has been consistantly tieing or surpassing Obamanation in the polls.
Posted by: Evan at November 20, 2011 08:57 AM (O3OlP)
But apparently forgotten in people's rush to find the next, "not-Romney"
The mittbots are in full force because we the people do not want a piece of shit like Romney.
Way to use logic and fact to persuade others to your side. Now I'm feeling motivated to switch to the next Redjack - whoever that is.
Posted by: Evan at November 20, 2011 09:00 AM (O3OlP)
Romney mostly plays along with the Gramscian narrative (for fuck's sake he was too scared to call Obama a socialist - what a puss!)
That's a huge difference because without it no change is possible.
That's what the analysis misses, Evan.
Gingrich will inspire the grassroots to work for conservative issues if elected.
Romney will depress, demoralize and probably destroy the Tea Party if elected.
Because he's a puss. A big puss. A giant ride-the-Gramscian-narrative-wave puss.
Posted by: JB at November 20, 2011 09:03 AM (7T+Mz)
Who's your first choice Evan?
Romney
------------
No more arguing then. I dont need to read much of what you got to say then. I'll just say Obama 2 wont win. I've found more support for Cain in the Bucks/Montco Philly area than Romney. Mitt needs to learn how to win elections. Based on my fathers tax data, he got increased taxes during the Romney era. Romney is a job killer and an egomaniac. I wont ever vote for him and neither will many Americans.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 20, 2011 09:04 AM (8JLZe)
Posted by: Evan at November 20, 2011 12:57 PM (O3OlP)
Until he doesnt. He'll be kicked in the teeth by the media if he ever gets the dream of being the nominee. He's got a terrible record as governor. I was a citizen of MA. When he gets touched he turns into a crying sack of shit.
\Mitt will depress turnout. He might make folks like like chi-town jerry giddy with anticipation but not to many other people. Even my family wont vote for him and that is saying something.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 20, 2011 09:09 AM (8JLZe)
Posted by: Joffen at November 20, 2011 09:10 AM (zLeKL)
Just one point - Bumping it every week is going to make the comments section incredibly long. (Imagine a years worth of moron musings in one place.)
(Of course this comment is going to add to that length and add very little substance.)
Posted by: Have Blue at November 20, 2011 09:10 AM (IKTC8)
Posted by: Joffen at November 20, 2011 01:10 PM (zLeKL)
I'm in the this election for ANYTHING but Mutt. But where is Perry, Joffen?
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 20, 2011 09:13 AM (8JLZe)
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 20, 2011 11:40 AM (8JLZe)
Just saw on Fox (TIVO'd from Friday) that the poll in New Hampshire has Newt within two (27% to 29% IIRC). If Newt beats (or even comes in a statistical tie) romney that is a huge development.
Posted by: Have Blue at November 20, 2011 09:15 AM (IKTC8)
Good shit, CAC. I look forward to the weekly updates. The campaign season will be ramping up to ludicrous speed before too long and I'm happy you're on the job.
I will also be donning my Feces-Proof Hobo Skin ShitStorm Suit* as the crap REALLY begins to fly.
*will protect the wearer from poo flinging using a proprietary blend of rendered hobo fat and mink oil.
Posted by: ErikW at November 20, 2011 09:15 AM (BMYkG)
Yap - the well is poisoned, don't discuss the facts or data. Pro arguments don't exist - only cons. Counter points need not be addressed. The mind is a terrible thing to use when emotion is what rules.
Posted by: Evan at November 20, 2011 09:15 AM (O3OlP)
Romney loses if Newt wins NH - I don't see him recovering from that.
Posted by: Evan at November 20, 2011 09:17 AM (O3OlP)
Posted by: Red Shirt at November 20, 2011 09:26 AM (FIDMq)
Posted by: elizabethe at November 20, 2011 09:26 AM (3C6di)
Just saw on Fox (TIVO'd from Friday) that the poll in New Hampshire has Newt within two (27% to 29% IIRC). If Newt beats (or even comes in a statistical tie) romney that is a huge development.
Posted by: Have Blue at November 20, 2011 01:15 PM (IKTC
awesome.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 20, 2011 09:27 AM (8JLZe)
Posted by: chillin the most for Perry at November 20, 2011 09:36 AM (6IV8T)
NONE
?????
Insider Advantage11/8 - 11/8 457 LV:
Cain –26, Romney – 16, Gingrich – 19, Perry – 6, Paul – 3, Bachmann – 5, Santorum - 2
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2011 09:42 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: elizabethe at November 20, 2011 09:45 AM (3C6di)
Posted by: CAC at November 20, 2011 09:50 AM (JEVge)
Perry is out of the media headlights right now because most people (except fan boys) do not see him recovering from his HORRIBLE debates. I know why he appeals to some here, but that does not change the fact that he has developed a reputation. His latest fiasco of challenging Pelosi to a debate and have her laugh at him shows a campaign in pure despiration mode.
Posted by: Evan at November 20, 2011 09:56 AM (O3OlP)
I haven't seen any analysis of this poll.
"A state-by-state breakdown in California, Florida, Texas and New York—the nation’s largest states—shows Perry leading Cain in Texas and California, and leading Romney in Texas, California and Florida. In the rest of the country, however, Perry only garners 8 percent of the vote, behind Cain, Romney and Gingrich."
Posted by: Y-not at November 20, 2011 10:09 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: elizabethe at November 20, 2011 10:41 AM (3C6di)
There's no denying if Romney were not the establishment pick (for want of a better term) we would be getting non-stop coverage of his poll ceiling, his avoidance of interviews, his snubs of Evangelicals, etc. But the narrative is that he is untouchable and unflappable.
And I'd be fine with that if I thought that it was true, but when the general comes we'll see (should we be unlucky enough to run Mitt against Obama) how delusional the Romney Electability myth is.
Posted by: Y-not at November 20, 2011 10:57 AM (5H6zj)
It's anecdotal, of course, but the folks around here (Utah) say they are not as enthusiastic about Romney this time around -- the primary reason being his refusal to disavow Masscare.
Posted by: Y-not at November 20, 2011 11:02 AM (5H6zj)
Late to the thread, but I'm going to, unfortunately, have to lean towards the results of Vic's info above. I see Cain winning SC, even with all his gaffes and obvious lack of critical knowledge. I follow some online local polling info, and Cain's always at the top of the heap...although I have yet to see anyone's signs other than Rick Perry. I truly wish Perry was polling better here. The dumbtards here voted McLame in '08, and keep voting in that Democrat Lindsay Graham.
All things considered, it's a wonder Alvin Greene didn't get enough South Carolinians to vote for him.
Posted by: Lady in Black: still voting for Perry (He has the best hair.) at November 20, 2011 11:23 AM (ycuSb)
Posted by: Vic at November 20, 2011 11:30 AM (YdQQY)
But Intrade has Obama up by 20%!!!!!!!
What? You thought I'd miss jumping in on a poll thread? Perish the thought.
Posted by: In before the troll at November 20, 2011 12:52 PM (G+B5p)
Posted by: steevy at November 20, 2011 01:52 PM (7WJOC)
He just got fresh(wo)man senator Ayotte's endorsement, Vic. The usual outlets are acting like it's a big deal. I couldn't say one way or the other.
Posted by: Y-not at November 20, 2011 04:27 PM (5H6zj)
video to flash converter
Posted by: nanonu at November 21, 2011 03:47 AM (sYh9f)
For instance...when Huntsman drops out, his supporters probably won't shift their support to Bachmann. My guess would be Romney. When Cain drops out, I think much of his support will go to Gingrich or Ron Paul.
It's an interesting intellectual and political exercise.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at November 27, 2011 07:38 AM (nEUpB)
Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 27, 2011 07:38 AM (Qxdfp)
In Florida, Connie Mack is the son of Connie Mack ( who is the grandson of THE Connie Mack ). He'll beat Bill Nelson like a drum
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at November 27, 2011 07:38 AM (UqKQV)
You mean "his supporter." That would be Frum.
Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at November 27, 2011 07:40 AM (yQwq5)
Watching Unreliable Sources. "Conservative" Andrew Sullivan just got a tongue bath. Eleanor Clift blamed the Stupor Committee failure on Republicans.
Posted by: kansas at November 27, 2011 07:45 AM (9pera)
Sorry to go O/T, but the open thread seems to be on life support and this is too good...
Did you guys see this yet? World-record hockey fight... a total of 439 penalty minutes were assessed.
It starts with a standard hockey fight, but skip to ~1 minute, 10 seconds to see the really fun part.
Posted by: Y-not at November 27, 2011 08:01 AM (5H6zj)
[This is not the year for a nominee whose first name was a movie about a guy who trains rats to kill people and whose middle name features in a nursery rhyme about naughty kittens]
Posted by: Mark E at November 27, 2011 08:02 AM (cKRpq)
Posted by: Y-not at November 27, 2011 08:03 AM (5H6zj)
Posted by: The Mittens Collective at November 27, 2011 08:06 AM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Count de Monet at November 27, 2011 08:08 AM (4q5tP)
I noticed there isn't any site, be it a blog, news site, or hybrid of the two, with all current polling in one spot. Not even DailyKos or Fox.
It may get hard to read through but when you want to argue about which way the races are going, here you go.
Posted by: CAC at November 27, 2011 08:17 AM (JEVge)
Posted by: Village Idiot at November 27, 2011 08:24 AM (utXSy)
I live in SC.
Posted by: Jimbo at November 27, 2011 08:24 AM (O3R/2)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 27, 2011 08:26 AM (UTq/I)
Posted by: Jimbo at November 27, 2011 08:26 AM (O3R/2)
Posted by: Jimbo
.......
Jimbo - is the SC primary going to be proportional, or winner take all? Illinois has been ruled proportional.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 27, 2011 08:30 AM (UTq/I)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 27, 2011 08:31 AM (UTq/I)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 27, 2011 12:26 PM (UTq/I)
Hell, why not? Would be interesting to see not only how the numbers change but our general mood heading into election season.
That, and I am lazy.
Posted by: CAC at November 27, 2011 08:31 AM (JEVge)
He brings strength to either a Romney or a Perry ticket but I think he's a bit too loose of a cannon to be at the top of the ticket. AND.... I think he has lib tendencies.
If there's one good thing about Romney being so adept at adapting to the polls, it's that the voters can keep him in line. Newt would simply tell us all to go eff ourselves.
In the end, however, I'm still pulling for Perry.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 27, 2011 08:33 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Big T Party at November 27, 2011 08:44 AM (ZrmQi)
Posted by: Hekura at November 27, 2011 08:45 AM (bSMIs)
Posted by: Y-not at November 27, 2011 08:55 AM (5H6zj)
We have a long long way to go...We'll see how Newt holds up...It seems that the not-Romney contingent may win the day. If so, imo Newt will get eviscerated in the general...Many here are too young to remember how divisive Newt was back in the 90s. I think its clear that Republicans have to win the independants and some Reagan democrats to carry the day. I don't think Newt can do that...He has zero charisma. His smile looks like he just pumped the neighbors cat. Another Bob Dole style loss...
Posted by: Survey sez at November 27, 2011 08:59 AM (wrGst)
Posted by: In before the troll at November 27, 2011 08:59 AM (jQ7eL)
And Newt isn't half the man Bob Dole is.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 27, 2011 09:10 AM (piMMO)
Huntsman at 23%
Cain at 12.7%
Romney at 8.9%
Newt (and everybody else with a name) at 0.0%
Someone Else and No Opinion at 45.4%
I don't really know what Huntsman and Romney positions are..
But we all know that Cain wants to machine-gun illegal aliens (read Hispanics) and feed them to the gators, yet he picks up a good chunk of hispanics who give a rat's ass about the GOP.
Posted by: Rmoney at November 27, 2011 09:11 AM (7MFxV)
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 27, 2011 09:29 AM (jQ7eL)
I think even Bob Dole could beat a SCOAMF with over 9% unemployment.
Posted by: Bob Undead Saget at November 27, 2011 09:52 AM (dBvlk)
Yep. It's getting depressing though.
HOLD FAST
Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at November 27, 2011 09:59 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at November 27, 2011 10:14 AM (GTbGH)
Count me amongst the tiny minority that thinks Rick Perry may have deployed a brilliant, if risky, strategy.
It seems that the campaigns spend a lot of time reviewing past strategies and looking at what worked and didn't work for other candidates. It seems that little thought is given to the fact that many voters are ill-informed and move with the tide. A fickle electorate we.
If one entered into the race with the understanding that what goes up, must come down again, and an acceptance that a poor poll position would be necessary to avoid the fluctuations, they could ride out the storm. They could sit back in a non-threatening position, allow the others to show their cards (and their true colors) and keep the money sacked away for the big fight. Then, at crunch time, just prior to the primaries, make a charge.
Perry managed beautifully the fallout from his minute of silence in the debate. I would venture a guess that most remember his self-deprecating sense of humor more than the actual flub itself. With each subsequent debate, he's been stepping up his performance bit by bit. And, he is very good on the talkies when he has an opportunity to actually talk to the issues.
Newt, too, will drop in the polls and, just prior to the primaries, Perry will step up his game again.
That's my take.
Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at November 27, 2011 10:23 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: booger
That's why I'm pretending to like him. The media eats that shit up.
Posted by: Bill Clinton at November 27, 2011 10:31 AM (9pera)
I love Newty, especially recently. As a Christian, I think the "red card" is the way to go. ("Suffer not the stranger in the land.") But! I would go another step further. If a minor child was brought here, that child must NEVER be given citizenship as well. If a state wants to grant him/her "in-state" tuition, that is up to them.
Does anyone (any morons besides me) question how someone could be here for 25 years and work without engaging in Social Security fraud?
Posted by: Jimbo at November 27, 2011 11:57 AM (O3R/2)
Posted by: Jimbo at November 27, 2011 11:58 AM (O3R/2)
When he said living here as a law-abiding citizens, I thought I would choke.
NO NEWT!!!!! They are NOT law-abiding! They are NOT citizens! They are breaking the law each and every day because they ARE NOT citizens.
Jeesh! Can his statement possibly be any more removed from reality?
Posted by: Costa Rican Hobo at November 27, 2011 01:30 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Y-not, wearing a Carhartt jacket covered in peanut butter and doe piss at December 04, 2011 03:24 PM (5H6zj)
OT: Someone other than me ought to update the sidebar once in a while. I feel like I got my kids a dog, and they promised to look after her, and I'm the one picking up all the doo doo.
I don't begrudge the dog doo doo-ing, but I'd like some help once in a while!
Posted by: Truman North at December 04, 2011 03:32 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Truman North at December 04, 2011 03:32 PM (I2LwF)
On topic: Newt's beating the crap out of Mitt, but Mitt does better in the general.
Just observing.
Posted by: Truman North at December 04, 2011 03:33 PM (I2LwF)
Posted by: Y-not, wearing a Carhartt jacket covered in peanut butter and doe piss at December 04, 2011 03:34 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Tami at December 04, 2011 03:35 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: toby928© at December 04, 2011 03:36 PM (GTbGH)
This can only benefit one man: Obama.
It was obviously his policies and his ginormously wise choice of Secretary of State that accomplished this.
I refuse to go to LGF, but I'd bet that's the take on things over there.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 04, 2011 03:39 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Herman Cain at December 04, 2011 03:40 PM (I49Jm)
If you're in PA, please vote for Sam Rohrer.
He's the only Republican running who has won a statewide election.
We'll probably lose against Casey, but he gives us the best chance and he's a conservative
Posted by: Ben at December 04, 2011 03:42 PM (UvdzB)
Posted by: Lojack at December 04, 2011 03:48 PM (ucERL)
Posted by: Ginger White at December 04, 2011 03:48 PM (niZvt)
Backstage at a CandidatesÂ’ Forum, After the TV Lights Go Dark
snip~
Mitt Romney’s campaign stood out by going into defensive mode immediately, insisting that the reporter stay far away. The other candidates engaged to a varying degree in a little conversation as they left the stage — none more than Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker, who is now ahead of Mr. Romney in some polls.
Spotting the reporter, Mr. RomneyÂ’s aides sprang into action, questioning where he worked and what he was doing there, and then insisting that he not physically approach Mr. Romney before or after he was questioned on television by the attorneys general and Mr. Huckabee.
The request was reiterated to executives at Fox News.
More at: http://tinyurl.com/7qrjp8x
Posted by: Tami at December 04, 2011 03:51 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 04, 2011 03:52 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Jar Jar Binks at December 04, 2011 03:54 PM (niZvt)
OT: Someone other than me ought to update the sidebar once in a while. I feel like I got my kids a dog, and they promised to look after her, and I'm the one picking up all the doo doo.
Sorry TN. I normally update a lot during the weekdays, especially in the AM. I'm pretty useless on the weekends.
It's been a slow news weekend anyway.
Posted by: Ben at December 04, 2011 03:55 PM (UvdzB)
Oh, that's just a hold-over from the Great Diesel Jacket Debaucle a couple of threads down (Barney Frank thread).
Posted by: Y-not, takes off a Carhartt jacket covered in peanut butter and doe piss at December 04, 2011 03:56 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 04, 2011 03:59 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: gride at December 04, 2011 04:05 PM (wPKc6)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2011 04:07 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 04, 2011 04:09 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 04, 2011 04:13 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Miss'80s at December 04, 2011 04:15 PM (d6QMz)
“With the vote slated for this week — likely Thursday, I understand — we intend to aggressively take the case for Mr. Cordray’s nomination directly to the American people,” Principal Deputy Press Secretary Josh Earnest said.
He added that the White House will target seven states in particular: Alaska, Indiana, Iowa, Maine, Nevada, Tennessee and Utah.
Posted by: Miss'80s at December 04, 2011 04:16 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at December 04, 2011 04:21 PM (yQwq5)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 04, 2011 04:21 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 04, 2011 07:39 PM (Qxe/p)
Your loss. You're missing a huge year-end sale on pants and some killer photos of a broken gate.
Posted by: Chuckstick von Johnson at December 04, 2011 04:23 PM (yQwq5)
156
MT and NE look like they are likely Senate pickups. That is good.
Rehberg has been unreliable at times but he is better than Tester.
Posted by: Miss'80s at December 04, 2011 04:25 PM (d6QMz)
154 Can't believe Obama is gonna win re-election after destroying the country
Unless enough (and that means most) Republican voters put on their ABO pants, it's gonna happen. If we nominate whoever the NYT tells us is "best" for the party, our butts are beat (see McCain, 0
. If we continue to seek satisfaction with only the perfect candidate, same deal. Every time I hear some (add candidate's name here) acolyte say they'll stay home rather than vote for (add some other candidate's name here), I get a sinking feeling. It is imperative that this administration be removed from office as soon as possible. If we miss 2012, the next one won't matter much.
But, hell, when I take a close look at the economic situations in Europe and think about the giant monetary anchor chain around the ankles of all the nations, 2012's general election may be too late anyway.
Posted by: L Rob in OK at December 04, 2011 04:27 PM (7yvLv)
Connie MacksÂ’ numbers will rise. Give it some time and exposure.
Yep, FL is going to send another conservative to the US Senate.
Mike - praying as always.
Posted by: Mike in CFL at December 04, 2011 04:27 PM (motsG)
Posted by: Lojack at December 04, 2011 04:28 PM (ucERL)
Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, Vermont at December 04, 2011 04:29 PM (Te1S8)
Posted by: L Rob in OK at December 04, 2011 04:29 PM (7yvLv)
Posted by: L Rob in OK at December 04, 2011 08:29 PM (7yvLv)
Whenever you put an 8 followed by a ) you get a smiley face here. Cute, isn't it?
Posted by: Tami at December 04, 2011 04:31 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: eman at December 04, 2011 04:31 PM (tOywJ)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at December 04, 2011 04:32 PM (khw5i)
Posted by: Miss'80s at December 04, 2011 08:32 PM (d6QMz)
Yeah but yours was way more concise.
Posted by: Tami at December 04, 2011 04:34 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Y-not, takes off a Carhartt jacket covered in peanut butter and doe piss at December 04, 2011 04:35 PM (5H6zj)
Classical Liberal, maybe.
You don't sound like a moonbat.
I'm an 8 on most conservative scales, and your take is similar to mine.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 04, 2011 04:36 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Herman Cain--Worst Convict In America at December 04, 2011 04:38 PM (ucERL)
Classical Liberal, maybe.
You don't sound like a moonbat.
Well here's a test.
What does social justice mean?
If you answer "making life 'fair' for everyone", then you're a moonbat.
If you answer "maximizing individual liberty", then you're a classic liberal.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2011 04:41 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: eman at December 04, 2011 04:44 PM (tOywJ)
-- if that was directed at me --
I've told a lot of women that I strongly disapprove of abortion.
I also don't think women should be disallowed from getting one.
Nor do I need to respect them once they decide to do that.
NO WAY could you make life 'fair' for anybody.
Nor should we try to.
If you make more money than I do (probable) -- congratulations!
I'm where I'm at because I'm comfortable with my station in life.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 04, 2011 04:45 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: eman at December 04, 2011 04:49 PM (tOywJ)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at December 04, 2011 04:52 PM (khw5i)
Posted by: eman at December 04, 2011 04:53 PM (tOywJ)
I can (and did) figure out my own moral compass.
Family values are nice, but they're like being a Protestant or a Catholic. (I'm Baha'i)
I'm not a libertarian mostly because the philosophy logically leads to anarchy.
Since I'm also 63, I don't buy into the "oh, it could never go that far" arguments. Saw that coming with the "gay" thing about 40 years ago.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 04, 2011 04:54 PM (Qxe/p)
The Gov. Romney who canÂ’t hew to a straight course in this cartoon is actually MittÂ’s father, George, who ran and lost in the 1968 New Hampshire Presidential Primary.
Posted by: Miss'80s at December 04, 2011 04:56 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: CAC, who pushed it to the limit, brought his own weapons, and traveled through time. at December 04, 2011 04:57 PM (yQucA)
Posted by: CoolCzech at December 04, 2011 04:57 PM (niZvt)
Why would a 3 term governor even want to run for a 4th term?
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 04, 2011 04:58 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Not Shurrr at December 04, 2011 04:59 PM (yQucA)
Posted by: Chef at December 04, 2011 05:01 PM (Q5U8w)
Posted by: Zimriel at December 04, 2011 05:02 PM (6GvAC)
Lots o' numbers dar. We aint' but simple pirates!
Posted by: Hector Barbosa at December 04, 2011 05:08 PM (FbHZ0)
Posted by: Miss'80s at December 04, 2011 05:11 PM (d6QMz)
From what little I know of the Baha'i, they're the best new religion on the planet; defining "new" as post-Council-of-Nicaea. And they do have strong family values. Considering that the Baha'i came out of Islam, which is the worst new religion this side of the flavor-aid, that impresses me. [Which is not to say I'm about to convert. But I would count the Baha'ullah and the Bab as among the righteous.]
My problem with "family values" is that it is too often code for Huckabee-ism; pandering to traditional morality while ignoring actual statecraft.
Posted by: Zimriel at December 04, 2011 05:11 PM (6GvAC)
Beef supreme sounds like a tasty choice to me.
If you have a Senate election though - please work for the most conservative candidate.
Even if SCOAMF is defeated weÂ’re going to need a conservative senate, because we canÂ’t really trust any of the R candidates.
Mike
Posted by: Mike in CFL at December 04, 2011 05:11 PM (motsG)
This year reminds me of 1968.
#OWS clowns are actively trying for their very own Kent State moment.
Candidate choices (on the non-looney-left side) consist of (a) spineless weasel, (b) narrow minded religious types, or (c) potentially sleazy and dishonest, but unusually competent.
I was a year too young to vote in '68, but I would have voted Nixon.
Remember his fate when he went a bridge too far.
Gingrich, for me, because (a) and (b) don't cut it.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 04, 2011 05:15 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: We are So Fkd up at December 04, 2011 05:16 PM (2kVjW)
I just polled myself and 100% of me thinks Obama is a SCOAMF that sucks big floppy donkey dicks.
Posted by: Ms Choksondik, hoping for a Rick Perry miracle at December 04, 2011 05:16 PM (fYOZx)
Thank you!
We are now (or soon will be) officially illegal in the "Arab Spring" countries, FYI.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 04, 2011 05:17 PM (Qxe/p)
I say you suck big ones. LOL,
must include that
Posted by: We are So Fkd up at December 04, 2011 05:18 PM (2kVjW)
Posted by: cicerokid at December 04, 2011 05:19 PM (FbHZ0)
Think that Khomeini would have dared enter Iran while Reagan was in charge?
Posted by: Zimriel at December 04, 2011 05:19 PM (6GvAC)
Posted by: eman at December 04, 2011 05:21 PM (tOywJ)
Posted by: We are So Fkd up at December 04, 2011 05:21 PM (2kVjW)
Interesting question.
What got him (Khomenie) there was the Shah coming to the US for cancer treatments.
Reagan was no pushover, but he also didn't 'invade' other countries without personal invitations.
To this day, I often wonder what would have happened if the Iranians wouldn't have folded and returned the hostages.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 04, 2011 05:23 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: eman at December 04, 2011 05:23 PM (tOywJ)
Posted by: Jimbo at December 04, 2011 05:29 PM (O3R/2)
Well, there is a difference between philosophy and policy. Policy flows from philosophy, or at least it should anyway.
If your philosophy is to favor individual liberty, then that dictates that you'll be against, e.g., high tax rates. If your philosophy is to try to create "fairness for all" then you'll be in favor of high tax rates because that gives the government the resources to attempt to create this utopia.
Now those aren't the only two philosophical archetypes. But they are big contenders.
Yes things can get complicated. But they don't have to be overwhelmingly complicated if you have a solid compass by which to wade through the decision-making process to conquer the complications. The complexity of particular issues is more of a distraction rather than the core of most issues.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2011 05:30 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Rick Perry at December 04, 2011 05:30 PM (XdwbH)
I really hope you're right.
If you're not, though, I will reluctantly put her in my mental category of "just another stealth politician".
As will probably 75% of the rest of the public.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 04, 2011 05:30 PM (Qxe/p)
Shouldn't she be preparing for the afterlife?
Posted by: We are So Fkd up at December 04, 2011 05:31 PM (2kVjW)
Posted by: eman at December 04, 2011 09:21 PM (tOywJ)
Food for thought:
Ohio: Register to vote on the same day as the election. To be eligible, you must only be a resident for 30 days prior.
So:
Rent an apartment, get a month-to-month lease, show up with lease as proof of residency, vote, terminate lease.
Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2011 05:33 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: We are So Fkd up at December 04, 2011 05:36 PM (2kVjW)
Posted by: eman at December 04, 2011 05:36 PM (tOywJ)
Posted by: eman at December 04, 2011 05:38 PM (tOywJ)
Rent an apartment, get a month-to-month lease, show up with lease as proof of residency, vote, terminate lease.
Posted by: chemjeff
ACORN did that in the last presidential election cycle (200
because they had a compliant Secretary of State in Ohio who did not police these things very well. A few newspapers actually reported on that (hard to believe). The outrage from it died down by the 2010 election for statewide offices, but the present Sec. of State is an (R).
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at December 04, 2011 05:39 PM (sJTmU)
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at December 04, 2011 05:40 PM (sJTmU)
"...unemployment is reported at 8.x% or 9.x% when in fact it is at a depressionary level of 23.9%. GDP is baked, off by trillions. Inflation is over 10% and reported at 2-3%." http://tinyurl.com/6pc6sgj
Posted by: jeanne! with two N's and an E at December 04, 2011 05:41 PM (uVO+D)
Well yeah, where do you think I got the idea?
But I honestly don't know how any SOS would police such a thing. The law says "be a resident 30 days before the election". Posted by: chemjeff at December 04, 2011 05:42 PM (s7mIC)
Men die first.
Because we want to.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 04, 2011 09:41 PM (Qxe/p)"
WTF?
Posted by: We are So Fkd up at December 04, 2011 05:44 PM (2kVjW)
Posted by: sTevo at December 04, 2011 05:45 PM (VMcEw)
Yeah, I was there... voting for Kinky Friedman.
Perry would have won that election regardless. Strayhorn and Friedman pulled in the "not Perry and not the damn Democrat" votes. I bet that without Friedman giving people like me cover, a lot of the Strayhorn votes, also, would have dissipated to Perry on the theory of OMFG PLEASE NOT BELL.
Posted by: Zimriel at December 04, 2011 06:00 PM (6GvAC)
Posted by: elizabethe is all in for Perry at December 04, 2011 06:02 PM (FuTmA)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at December 04, 2011 06:18 PM (khw5i)
Posted by: Thresher at December 04, 2011 06:42 PM (DG56/)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at December 04, 2011 10:18 PM (khw5i)
I wish he wouldn't have "ducked".
I think I like both him and chemjeff.
One or more of the rest of you are OK, also.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 04, 2011 06:45 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: A Liberal AoSHQ Reader, Really! at December 04, 2011 07:06 PM (khw5i)
Posted by: Recluse spider at December 04, 2011 08:06 PM (eScuN)
Posted by: Recluse spider at December 04, 2011 08:18 PM (eScuN)
Posted by: Recluse spider at December 04, 2011 09:05 PM (eScuN)
Here are your scenarios.
Newt/Romney + GOP Congress. We can work with either to achieve our goals - maybe not all of them, but a good number.
Obama + GOP Congress. Deadlock. Or worse, the GOP Congress compromises, because we all know Obama doesn't compromise.
Obama + Democratic Congress. I'm moving to Australia.
Posted by: Mike at December 05, 2011 06:17 AM (NH9Y5)
247 Nice with the added benefit of being correct.
Posted by: dagny at December 11, 2011 09:14 AM (lPVbK)
The first real test will be South Carolina.
Posted by: Flapjackmaka at November 20, 2011 11:40 AM (8JLZe)
There are no Statewide elections in SC this time. Therefore there is no Democrat Primary. The only thing that will prevent Dems from crossing over and voting in the Republican primary is local elections.
I suspect we will get a lot of interference this time.
Posted by: Vic at December 11, 2011 09:17 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 11, 2011 09:26 AM (PddVe)
Posted by: Barney Frank at December 11, 2011 09:30 AM (niZvt)
WTF is with the time stamping?
Posted by: ontherocks at December 11, 2011 09:34 AM (HBqDo)
Never heard of this guy before in my entire life, don't know a thing about him, but he seems to be a viable alternative to our top tier candidates.
Posted by: lowandslow at December 11, 2011 09:35 AM (GZitp)
Romney is telling us how good/effective he is/was at governing.
Gingrich is telling us how good/effective he is/was at leading.
Whether either or both of them is spouting bullshit isn't the point -- we all know all [however many are left] are pretty much doing that.
Philosophically, it boils down to whether we want to be governed or led. I always go for plan B (led) because there's an opt-out.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 11, 2011 09:36 AM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Have Blue at December 11, 2011 10:00 AM (IKTC8)
Posted by: holygoat at December 11, 2011 10:27 AM (2ptZ1)
Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at December 11, 2011 12:14 PM (6IV8T)
Posted by: Mr. Estrada at December 11, 2011 01:22 PM (/+B2Y)
Hide Comments | Add Comment | Refresh | Top
64 queries taking 0.2321 seconds, 373 records returned.
Powered by Minx 1.1.6c-pink.
Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at November 13, 2011 09:36 AM (vahvH)