November 29, 2011

Cain "Reassessing" Continuing Campaign Run
— Ace

He'll make a decision "in the next few days."

My theory is that all of these guys are haunted by the Ghost of Tim Pawlenty, and most will be very reluctant to get out of the race until, say, Florida, or after. In a volatile race, you're just one news cycle from being on top. Or being on the bottom.

No one can really know.

Cain might get out because there are other factors here (like just not wanting to deal with these questions, and strains on the homefront), but as a general matter people are going to be very reluctant to formally drop out. Even no-hope candidates will keep a skeleton, "notional" candidacy going, because, you never know.

Campaigns may be suspended, but won't be ended, and I don't even think they'll be announced as suspended. At least not until it's well-nigh-inarguable that someone is really, definitely not going to have a swell of sudden support, and I don't know how you would have that confidence.

Transcript of Conference Call: Cain denied there was an affair or sex on CNN, then his lawyer came out and seemed to issue a non-denial.

Now Cain seems to be denying.


“Obviously, you’re all aware of this recent firestorm that hit the news yesterday,” Cain began, his voice somber. “First thing I want to do is say to you what I have said publicly: I deny those charges, unequivocally. Secondly, I have known this lady for a number of years. And thirdly, I have been attempting to help her financially because she was out of work and destitute, desperate. So thinking that she was a friend, and I have helped many friends, I now know that she wasn’t the friend that I thought she was. But it was a just a friendship relationship.”

“That being said, obviously, this is cause for reassessment,” he continued. “As you know, during the summer we had to make some reassessments based upon our financial situation. We were able to hang in there; we reassessed the situation and kept on going. We also did a reassessment after the Iowa straw poll and we made another reassessment after the Florida straw poll. When the previous two accusations, false accusations, came about, we made another assessment. The way we handled those was, we continued on with our schedule. We made an assessment about what was going to happen to our support. But our supporters, and even some folks that we didn’t have as supporters, they stood with us, and they showed it, not only in terms of their verbal support, they showed it in terms of their dollars.”

“Now, with this latest one, we have to do an assessment as to whether or not this is going to create too much of a cloud, in some people’s minds, as to whether or not they would be able to support us going forth,” Cain said.

More at the link.

Posted by: Ace at 07:59 AM | Comments (286)
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1 What about his wife's Fupa?

Posted by: nads at November 29, 2011 08:01 AM (Y84hE)

2 his poor family

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at November 29, 2011 08:01 AM (s+J9D)

3 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: observer at November 29, 2011 08:01 AM (u1aLW)

4 I hope Herman did everything he's been accused of and enjoyed every minute of it because he's already been convicted by the MFM. The thought of this stuff NOT being real and still destroying his public and private life is unconscionable.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik, hoping for a Rick Perry miracle at November 29, 2011 08:03 AM (fYOZx)

5 That said, I think it is the right thing.  His knowledge of very basic issues--e.g., right of return, wet foot dry foot-- was wanting to the point that he lost his charm with me a while ago.  Perry's getting a bounce on InTrade because of this and methinks the guv will starting chugging back up the pack.

Posted by: observer at November 29, 2011 08:04 AM (u1aLW)

6 Doesn't matter if the accusations are true or not as long as Cain is tried and convicted in the court of public opinion and removed from the contest. 

A true black man with actual business experience will force SCOAMF to run on his record and the left cannot have that.

Posted by: FORGER at November 29, 2011 08:05 AM (Vf6xf)

7 The thought of this stuff NOT being real and still destroying his public and private life is unconscionable.

His non-denial yesterday was a tacit admission.  I liked Cain but I'm pissed at him for taking resources and attention from candidates that didn't have a pile of bones in their closets.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at November 29, 2011 08:05 AM (QKKT0)

8 I agree with you, Ms C. Ugh. It really is sordid and my personal belief is, he was the victim of slander here. Hey guess what Barry is already coming to PA to campaign. couldn't give free tix away apparently (in Harrisburg even, what the hell else do they have to do there?) By next year every resident of PA will be so utterly sick of CampaignBarbie Barry it will seriously hurt him

Posted by: BlackOrchid at November 29, 2011 08:06 AM (SB0V2)

9
Told y'all two weeks ago to SELL Herb Cain.

Sign up for my newsletter and I will continue to wow and intrigue you.

Posted by: Soothsayer Rating Agency at November 29, 2011 08:06 AM (sqkOB)

10 The Ghost of Tim Pawlenty is haunting me too.  I wish he'd get the hell out of my bathroom and give someone else a chance.

Posted by: The Peasants at November 29, 2011 08:06 AM (IADp6)

11 Love him, hate him, whether you think he's a good candidate or not, or if the accusations are true or not... I HATE THE FUCKING MEDIA.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 29, 2011 08:07 AM (UlUS4)

12 If it was just about the primary, why not stay in, but he'd get clobbered hard in the general.  All the same, Gain has not done the GOP any favors by deciding to run, so why start being a team player now?

Posted by: M. Murcek at November 29, 2011 08:07 AM (ToZXn)

13
Current Ratings

Rick Perry: Buy
Mitt Romney: Hold
Newt: Sell
Cain: Strong Sell Done

Posted by: Soothsayer Rating Agency at November 29, 2011 08:07 AM (sqkOB)

14 My theory is that all of these guys are haunted by the Ghost of Tim Pawlenty Ace, rattling his chains and ready to go Full-Weiner on them

Fixed.

Cain never had a friggin' chance. Add the crowing from the Cain-hating establishment Repubs and snark from those who Know a Guy Who Knows a Guy Who Has Lots of Shit on the Candidate and is Sure It Will All Come Out to several instances of self-inflicted wounds, and the dude's campaign was moldier than a month-old pizza from the get-go.

I liked him. Wouldn't have had much trouble voting for him.

So who gets the next fusillade? Perry? Surely not The Mutt or The Newt, one being inevitable and the other a great conservative (just ask him!).

Cripes. We could have beaten the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure like he was a dirty rug, but nooooo....

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 29, 2011 08:07 AM (HkOAc)

15 Cain-Bachmann-Palin, '12.

Posted by: Totally Irrational Political Malcontent at November 29, 2011 08:07 AM (rJVPU)

16 I honestly don't see why he would drop out if he knows the allegations are baseless. 

We were told that his wife did not believe the harassment charges and one would assume that she does not believe these either, then.  So why drop out?  If he had young kids, I'd understand it.  Even allegations can be too much for them to have to contend with.  But an adult woman, his wife of several decades, should be able to ignore those sorts of false allegations.  Hollywood couples do so all the time. 

So I believe there is something to the charges or perhaps something even worse than the sexual affair -- perhaps some financial misdealings using NRA money or something to help his 'friend'. 

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 08:08 AM (5H6zj)

17 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 29, 2011 08:08 AM (8y9MW)

18 >>> Add the crowing from the Cain-hating establishment Repubs and snark from those who Know a Guy Who Knows a Guy Who Has Lots of Shit on the Candidate and is Sure It Will All Come Out A lot of people seem to have their noses out of joint that someone heard something before they did. Sorry I hear things, dude. I realize that is painful to your ego.

Posted by: ace at November 29, 2011 08:09 AM (nj1bB)

19

17 allen

 

why yes he is..................

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at November 29, 2011 08:09 AM (s+J9D)

20 Mitt-McCain 2012!

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 08:09 AM (h+qn8)

21 Even no-hope candidates will keep a skeleton, "notional" candidacy going, because, you never know.

like Perry

Posted by: The Dude at November 29, 2011 08:10 AM (M8yfa)

22 Cain is dead, may as well drop because he is just wasting money he doesn't have.

Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2011 08:10 AM (YdQQY)

23

Posted by: Totally Irrational Political Malcontent at November 29, 2011 12:07 PM (rJVPU)

I've found my long lost twin!

Posted by: ErikW at November 29, 2011 08:11 AM (RtR8a)

24 Mitt-McCain 2012!

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 12:09 PM (h+qn

Shut up!  Don't give them any ideas!

Posted by: blue star at November 29, 2011 08:11 AM (wMV/W)

25 Sigh.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 29, 2011 08:11 AM (21lBC)

26 22 Cain is dead, may as well drop because he is just wasting money he doesn't have

I thought he raised bucketfuls when folks rallied around him after the harassment allegations.  I thought he raised at least $9 or $10 million. 

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 08:11 AM (5H6zj)

27

Mark Steyn:  Forget Cain.  We're backing Wilt Chamberlain.

 

Posted by: RushBabe at November 29, 2011 08:11 AM (tQHzJ)

28 My theory is that all of these guys are haunted by the Ghost of Tim Pawlenty Ace, rattling his chains and ready to go Full-Weiner on them

I'd like Ace to go full-weiner all over me.

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at November 29, 2011 08:11 AM (usXZy)

29 i agree Cain's done. Bachmans done, Perry's polls hitting bottom,
Newt's unelectable,
Go Mitt!

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 08:11 AM (h+qn8)

30 >>>I HATE THE FUCKING MEDIA. That's a shoot the messenger thing in this case. I hate the media too, but the media is not alleging an affair. The media is not claiming that they, the media, had a 13 year affair with Cain. The media can bury stories or overpromote them, based on political bias, but they rarely make up named accusers. I mean, what, is this woman being put up to this, by "the media"? Hating the media has become something of a Get Out Of Jail Free card for people choosing their own facts. Don't like a fact or an on-the-record accuastion? Say you hate the media, and don't trust them, and that gives one license to pretend it's not real.

Posted by: ace at November 29, 2011 08:12 AM (nj1bB)

31 Mitt-McCain 2012!

Meghan, I presume?

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan at November 29, 2011 08:12 AM (usXZy)

32 blue star, hah. I'm just laughing at the malice of our own side.

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 08:12 AM (h+qn8)

33 I honestly don't see why he would drop out if he knows the allegations are baseless.

What I heard today was that the phone records show calls as early as 4 something AM and way late at night.  That's not "just helping a friend."  At least, not "financially."

Now, I said yesterday (and I still believe) that all phone records and any but the most explicit emails only "prove" correspondence, but I'm guessing there's enough "evidence" (or stuff that looks like evidence) that this will be much harder to shake, even if he's telling the absolute truth.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 29, 2011 08:12 AM (8y9MW)

34 Should i schedule an appointment with Mr. Cain?

Posted by: The Fork at November 29, 2011 08:13 AM (6AXh/)

35 I guess the only question is whom he endorses.  I still think it will be Mitt, despite the talk of a love-fest between Cain and Newt. 

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 08:13 AM (5H6zj)

36 he was pretty much a non-starter. great that he had some good ideas. but the evidence of his clear lack of knowledge on foreign policy issues was damning. he doesn't even come with a principled philosophy. i think his understanding of rights is about as deep as sarah palin's. i think that, had he been very strong on fp, and decided to stop repeating NEIN NEIN NEIN every other sentence ( a noun, a verb, and 9-9-9 if you will), he could have some staying power in the field. (i don't count any of the accusations against him because, really, so-farking-what)

Posted by: jaaayyyy at November 29, 2011 08:13 AM (2qDRX)

37 Andrew, well she is hip and half the country likes boobs, and she certainly is one. so....

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 08:13 AM (h+qn8)

38 Newt just challeneged Cain to a battle of drunken debauchery on the town.  They will hold it in Las Vegas, and bill it as a "Clinton-Style Mass Debate."

Posted by: reason at November 29, 2011 08:13 AM (kZVsz)

39

@ Y-Not -

Because in a couple of weeks they'll find someone else - better coached, better supported, with better 'proof' - until he's completely discredited.  He must NOT be allowed to get into office.  He is, after all, not the right kind of person. He hasn't gone to the right schools, he hasn't hung out with the right people, he doesn't have the right attitudes and ideas.  He's not a professional politician - how dare we trust our country to an unaccomplished amateur?

(Oh, wait - we did already, didn't we?  Worked out really well, him being the smartest and best community organizer to ever come along...)

He's not super-slick.  He doesn't have glib answers for every question.  He might actually have to LEARN stuff re foriegn policy, and if we can't guarantee that he'll make the 'correct' decisions, it's far better to discard his non-political ass than let someone who ISN'T in the club in.



 

 

 

Posted by: JLawson at November 29, 2011 08:14 AM (kC3nL)

40
K-tel Records present...

Herb Cain's Greatest Hits!

♪ She's Nine, Nine, Nine Times a Lady

♪ For All The Girls I've [Never, Ever] Loved Before

♪ I Only Have Eyes For You...And You...And You....And You....And You

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 08:14 AM (sqkOB)

41 34

After we're done with him, sure.

Posted by: Butter & Jam at November 29, 2011 08:14 AM (Qxdfp)

42 What kind of a dumbass runs for president knowing that there is a mistress out there? I mean in the Republican primary?

Posted by: Dave at November 29, 2011 08:14 AM (Xm1aB)

43 I think you fellas can understand now why I'm staying in Indiana.

Posted by: Mitch Daniels at November 29, 2011 08:15 AM (AZGON)

44 Mike Huntsman-Dick Hertzman '12!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 29, 2011 08:15 AM (UlUS4)

45 Sacred honor compels me to report that I was impregnated by Herman Cain.

Posted by: Will Folks at November 29, 2011 08:15 AM (JNqU9)

46 Mitt-Huntsman 2012!

better?

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 08:15 AM (h+qn8)

47 Sorry I hear things, dude. I realize that is painful to your ego.

Posted by: ace at November 29, 2011 12:09 PM

Doesn't do a thing, pro or con, for my ego.

There are meds for people who "hear things," dude.

I simply dislike the way you handled the Cain mess. At his very worst, Cain posed far less of a threat to the country than Osama Obama does, yet you seem content with mild snipes in the SCoaMF's direction.

Between that and Malkin's foot-stamping screeching about Gardasil, I wonder why anyone except a worn out hack like The Newt or The Mutt would bother running....

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 29, 2011 08:16 AM (HkOAc)

48 Sooth, alright , i laughed.

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 08:16 AM (h+qn8)

49

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 12:08 PM (5H6zj)

Yup. He also may suspect the availability of physical evidence in this one.

Posted by: long toss at November 29, 2011 08:16 AM (JF0Hv)

50 40

Don't forget:
♪ Will you still need me, will you still feed me, when I'm 9-9-9.

Posted by: Butter & Jam at November 29, 2011 08:16 AM (Qxdfp)

51 >>>Because in a couple of weeks they'll find someone else - better coached, better supported, with better 'proof' - until he's completely discredited. He must NOT be allowed to get into office. There is no politics, there is simply a Conspiracy of the Powerful against the Virtuous. Does anyone positing a conspiracy theory ever feel the need to bring some evidence forward themselves? From the same goddamned mouths I hear "no proof that there was an affair!" followed by a baroque tale of skullduggery and political hit-jobs arranged by some unnamed Bildersberger surrogate group.

Posted by: ace at November 29, 2011 08:16 AM (nj1bB)

52 does he have an evil twin brother?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at November 29, 2011 08:16 AM (s+J9D)

53 J.J. outta my head!

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 08:17 AM (h+qn8)

54 Newt and Herman will do a lecture tour.  10 Things Everyone Should Know Before Cheating On Their Spouse.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at November 29, 2011 08:17 AM (QKKT0)

55 Funny how all of these politicians have skeletons in their past save for one. Precious, innocent little Barry whose pal Tony Rzeko just got sentence to jail yet there was no mention of Saint Barry. There's never any dirt on or about little Barry who rubbing shoulders with Rzeko, Blago and the whole corrupt Illinois Democrat Party apparently was completely clean to the point of never being mentioned with all of the crooks

Posted by: TheQuietMan at November 29, 2011 08:17 AM (1Jaio)

56 According to the MFM: "Obama is the only CLEAN and ARTICULATE BLACK CANDIDATE" in the race. Plus his "PANT CREASE IS IMPRESSIVE"....................

Posted by: Wall-E at November 29, 2011 08:18 AM (48wze)

57 39

@ Y-Not -

Because in a couple of weeks they'll find someone else - better coached, better supported, with better 'proof' - until he's completely discredited.

---

I don't buy that false charges about affairs can sink a candidate no matter how well-coached the accuser, particularly if his wife supports him.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 08:18 AM (5H6zj)

58 9-9-9 Luft balloons... Meh. 9-9-9 is the loneliest number...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 29, 2011 08:20 AM (UlUS4)

59

Posted by: ace at November 29, 2011 12:16 PM (nj1bB)

 

actually the lack of evidence is proof of the coverup of a conspiracy. the conspirators are so good that they prevent any tangible evidence from being available.

Posted by: chas at November 29, 2011 08:20 AM (TKF1Y)

60 Oh McScribbler blow me, you fucking lunatic. And it does crush your piddly little ego that yeah, I was right, and True Believer you were wrong. Boo fucking hoo. Now we have to spend another week dealing with your fucking wounded ego. Like an eggshell, easy to crack, and then you have to watch your step. "How I handled the Cain mess." And oh, my sweet nothings to Obama. Fucking idiot. Start a blog so I can ignore it, okay? There you can rant all your idiotic bullshit all the livelong day and dream of conspiracies and people just not being hard enough on Obama.

Posted by: ace at November 29, 2011 08:20 AM (nj1bB)

61 Well, I'm hearing from folks that they thought the sexual harassment stuff was way more damning.  They think the affair stuff is the MSM piling on.   These folks are libs/dems/independents so I don't think it's working.  People are sort of saying they "don't give a sh*t" and that they are "sick of this kind of crap from the media and the opponents".

This is how Santorum gets to be president.  He'll be the last man standing.

Posted by: blue bonnet at November 29, 2011 08:20 AM (oZfic)

62 Posted by: JLawson at November 29, 2011 12:14 PM (kC3nL)

This was totally self-inflicted.  It had nothing to do with "not being in the club."  The idea that conservatives would give a rat's ass about someone being in "the club" is laughable.

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at November 29, 2011 08:21 AM (QKKT0)

63
MAD TV show used to do a funny skit about a Pimp Cane.

But referencing here is clearly racist, so I won't.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 08:21 AM (sqkOB)

64 >>>actually the lack of evidence is proof of the coverup of a conspiracy. the conspirators are so good that they prevent any tangible evidence from being available. Right.

Posted by: ace at November 29, 2011 08:21 AM (nj1bB)

65 This latest allegation has much more credence than those revealed by Politico. First, Herman lawyered-up and held a press conference wherein the point was made that any false accusers could expect a lawsuit. Then, this woman sits down for an interview. She's not buried in some NRA legal file somewhere hiding from public scrutiny. And then Cain himself essentially admits to the affair. Stupid waste of time Herman.

Posted by: Dave at November 29, 2011 08:21 AM (Xm1aB)

66 If we can only get someone named Seymour to run with Gary Johnson, you'd have Seymour-Johnson '12. Then again, that's Weiner's name...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 29, 2011 08:21 AM (UlUS4)

67 I think Ginger White is kind of late to the party; Cain's campaign was toe-tagged at least two weeks ago. If she'd have moved earlier, she really could have cashed in.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at November 29, 2011 08:21 AM (AQD6a)

68  He's not a professional politician - how dare we trust our country to an unaccomplished amateur?

(Oh, wait - we did already, didn't we?  Worked out really well, him being the smartest and best community organizer to ever come along...)

Posted by: JLawson at November 29, 2011 12:14 PM (kC3nL)

Dude, don't your first and second sentences  sort of make the case against Cain just on merit?

 

Posted by: long toss at November 29, 2011 08:22 AM (JF0Hv)

69 867-5 9-9-9
Jenny, Jenny you're the girl for me.

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 29, 2011 08:22 AM (Qxdfp)

70 The rain on the Cain Train mainly involves pain.
 
Should the reassessment of the reassessment indicate a reassessment, it may be time to bail.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 29, 2011 08:23 AM (ENKCw)

71 Does anyone positing a conspiracy theory ever feel the need to bring some evidence forward themselves?

It gives them something to rail against instead of admitting they were wrong about a candidate.

All of Herman Cain's support (all of it) was emotional and based on some perception of "decent dude, not a career politician."  So, now that they're having to face that "decent dude" isn't enough (seriously- if he'd run as a policy wonk instead of "The Gospel Singer", would this be as big a deal?  Do you think accusations of this type would sink a Newt run at this point?) and they have no logic to back up their support, they have to blame someone.

Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, or Newt Gingrich could weather the (now probably proven false) harassment allegations and (assuming this is also false) this*.  That's because they can say in one breath: "I didn't do it, and this is a distraction anyway," and in the next, "And let me tell you how my policy on X is better than the SCOAMF's."  Cain can only say the first, because he doesn't understand enough about policy to do the second.

*- Newt might survive it even if true- we already know he's a horn-dog.  The other two could ONLY survive if they "proved" it false relatively quickly.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 29, 2011 08:23 AM (8y9MW)

72 Ace, I think you are definitely right about the fact that no one will make any public moves, owing to Pawlenty.  But then again, making a salary working for Mitt maybe was the right choice for Tim Pawlenty and he had the courage to just do what was best for him and his family.  Campaign debt is no fun, even hillary whines about it.

Posted by: blue bonnet at November 29, 2011 08:23 AM (oZfic)

73 @61
That assumes he didn't do anything wrong.

Again, without young kids to protect, why would he drop out?  How delicate a flower is his wife that she can't put up with false allegations?  It really doesn't bode well for a Cain White House if they are so fragile a couple that they couldn't weather false allegations. 

If it were my husband, I would tell him to keep fighting.  But I also wouldn't be sitting back in my house while he was on the campaign trail. 

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 08:23 AM (5H6zj)

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at November 29, 2011 08:24 AM (AQD6a)

75 71

I believe he's got it!

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at November 29, 2011 08:24 AM (Qxdfp)

76 >>If she'd have moved earlier, she really could have cashed in.

What I read was that she was outed by a tipster.  She didn't choose to come forward.  Someone forced the issue. 

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 08:25 AM (5H6zj)

77 Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at November 29, 2011 12:21 PM (AQD6a)

Re: toe tagged - Some still waiting around for that corpse to sit up.  I don't know why.  He's such a doofus  I can't believe anyone ever took him seriously.

Posted by: SarahW at November 29, 2011 08:25 AM (OoFwu)

78
Herb Cain sings Billy Joel's Honesty

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 08:25 AM (sqkOB)

79 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 29, 2011 12:21 PM (UlUS4)

Was reading the comments at another blog and a poster was saying that she looks way to familiar to some people and they are trying to figure out why and who she really is.

Posted by: blue bonnet at November 29, 2011 08:25 AM (oZfic)

80 I wanted to work a merkin reference in, but I can't seem to do it.  Anybody else wanna take a shot at it?

Posted by: Truman North at November 29, 2011 08:26 AM (I2LwF)

81 BTW, I popped in at HotAir yesterday to check their Cain thread and - predictably - there was a vocal contingent blaming Rick Perry. 

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 08:27 AM (5H6zj)

82 If it were my husband, I would tell him to keep fighting.  But I also wouldn't be sitting back in my house while he was on the campaign trail. 

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 12:23 PM (5H6zj)

She's a democrat.  Maybe she's better left at home like Michelle was in a good portion of the presidential campaign.

Posted by: blue bonnet at November 29, 2011 08:27 AM (oZfic)

83 I'm not sure a Cain endorsement is all that.

Posted by: Dave at November 29, 2011 08:27 AM (Xm1aB)

84 "Switchboard Susan won't you give me a line, I need a doctor dial 9 - 9 - 9....."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 29, 2011 08:27 AM (UlUS4)

85
♪ Here we are, the two twelve of us together
Taking this crazy chance to be all alone
We both know that we should not be together
'Cause if they found out, it could mess up
Both our happy homes

Secret lovers, yeah that's what we are...

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 08:28 AM (sqkOB)

86 BTW, I popped in at HotAir yesterday to check their Cain thread and - predictably - there was a vocal contingent blaming Rick Perry.

Of course there was.

Posted by: Barbarian at November 29, 2011 08:28 AM (EL+OC)

87 Man, this guy has had his nose up more scamper than I have.

Posted by: Toby the Beagle at November 29, 2011 08:29 AM (AM+sr)

88 I can't believe Republican primary voters are going to settle on Newt instead of Perry as the not-Romney candidate, especially in view of Newt's recent comments on illegal immigration.

Posted by: Dave at November 29, 2011 08:30 AM (Xm1aB)

89 >>I'm not sure a Cain endorsement is all that.

He raised over $9 million in the past month (I double-checked and found confirmation).  I assume he has not spent much since he is not really campaigning.  So doesn't that mean his cash can go to the candidate of his choice? 

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 08:30 AM (5H6zj)

90 "scamper"? That's a new one on me. I like it.

Posted by: ace at November 29, 2011 08:30 AM (nj1bB)

91 My personal conspiracy theory, is that the majority of the media would like Obama to remain the President.
nuts or?

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 08:30 AM (h+qn8)

92 Hope Cain endorses Perry.  more likely Mitt?

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 08:31 AM (h+qn8)

93 Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 12:30 PM (h+qn

If you clicked into the OBama bundler's list that I linked on Monty's doom thread, that would probably be a good assumption.

Posted by: blue bonnet at November 29, 2011 08:31 AM (oZfic)

94
Cain was finished as soon as it made known that he hooked up with Mark Block.


Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 08:31 AM (sqkOB)

95 >>>I can't believe Republican primary voters are going to settle on Newt instead of Perry as the not-Romney candidate, especially in view of Newt's recent comments on illegal immigration. I don't really get it either. I don't think Newt is appreciably more conservative than Romney, and I know he's not more electable. I won't take shots at him, I guess, because I suppose he's okay. But he's not a strong candidate or a strong conservative. He will probably lose, I fear. But I think there's a part of the base that just wants to "shake things up" and it's either going to be Newt or flake like Bachmann, so whatever.

Posted by: ace at November 29, 2011 08:32 AM (nj1bB)

96 Was reading the comments at another blog and a poster was saying that she looks way to familiar to some people and they are trying to figure out why and who she really is.

Some guy somewhere said some other guy somewhere said something vague about something. Thanks for the update, you babbling ditz.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 29, 2011 08:33 AM (TC9Qc)

97
Is the hiring pool for qualified campaign advisers really that small?

I mean really. Is it this difficult to find good and untarnished people to run a national campaign?

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 08:33 AM (sqkOB)

98 Cain cannot give up his candidacy under any circumstances.  The decision is not in the hands of the media and Cain's political opponents, it's in the hands of the Republicans who vote in the primaries and caucuses.  It's troubling that they want to take that decision away from the people prematurely.  What are they so afraid of?

Posted by: blue bonnet at November 29, 2011 08:33 AM (oZfic)

99 A pizza man known for his candor
Sought office of Chief and Commander
As he railed on corruption
A bimbo eruption
Put paid to his visions of grandeur

Posted by: The Unknown Limericist at November 29, 2011 08:33 AM (QKKT0)

100 @94
Cain singled Perry out as the one candidate he would not consider serving with as VP.  For some reason, he hates Rick.  It's clearly personal, which is why he tried to put the boot in to Perry over the racist rock. 

It'll be Newt or Mitt, but I really think it'll be Mitt for what he'll see as the best chance of getting a sweet gig. 

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 08:33 AM (5H6zj)

101 Jumbo, I agree, although I'm hoping the rock thing was an abberation of being under stress and a Block'd moment,

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 08:34 AM (h+qn8)

102 Y-Not yes, I never got that, or Perry then blaming romney.
it was all a very d.u.m.b. moment.

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 08:35 AM (h+qn8)

103 This just shows why "regular guys" won't run for office.

God knows I've done things I'd rather not have examined on the evening news.

Mild example: went to a party, drank a bunch of tequila, got a girl to give me a ride home (my memory ends here). She said that back at my place I went into the bathroom, upchucked, brushed my teeth then came out shirtless and tried to kiss her.

Now, spin that with a lefty agenda...

Nope, not interested in putting my family through that sort of nonsense.

Posted by: Scott J at November 29, 2011 08:36 AM (KC2BE)

104 I don't understand why Ace is acting like Ginger White just dropped the People's Elbow on Cain's chances. The man SAID he was just trying to help this poor gal out financially. For thirteen years. Without his wife's knowledge. I mean, Come. On! Fucking media! That's totally legit! I bet if I told my wife I've been giving money to another woman for over a decade and she'd be totally cool with it. And my alimony payments. And four child-support payments. And the thought of me living in a Crackville efficiency apartment and living on Ramen noodles with THAT WHORE.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 29, 2011 08:36 AM (vzFJV)

105 How does someone who says they are "re-assessing" their campaign go on to win?  The guy is a novice.  He thought his bimbo eruptions wouldn't come up. Poor fool.

Posted by: Ken Royall at November 29, 2011 08:36 AM (9zzk+)

106 Oh God, Huntsman is rising in the polls in NH. How can a candidate that no R's like or support be improving?  Someone talk me off this ledge.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik, hoping for a Rick Perry miracle at November 29, 2011 08:36 AM (fYOZx)

107 Bitch set him up

Posted by: The Dude at November 29, 2011 08:36 AM (M8yfa)

108 What is wrong with Block?  You all keep alluding to that but no one comes right out and says what's wrong.  If Wallace could do to Palin what she did, how come she's working again?

Posted by: blue bonnet at November 29, 2011 08:36 AM (oZfic)

109
My crazy theory: Mitt can bury Newt anytime he chooses.

How? With his ace up his sleeve: Marco Rubio. All Mitt has to do is let out a rumor that he has Sen Rubio waiting in the wings to be his veep.

I toldya it was crazy.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 08:37 AM (sqkOB)

110 @101 Cain is not going to win even if he stays in the race. That's why he is reassessing his candidacy. As far as a Cain endorsement, I don't know what he can do with his money, but if I'm Mitt, I'm thinking "Is an endorsement from a guy who just dropped out of the race because he got caught with his pants on the ground really all that helpful?"

Posted by: Dave at November 29, 2011 08:37 AM (Xm1aB)

111 Is the hiring pool for qualified campaign advisers really that small?

I mean really. Is it this difficult to find good and untarnished people to run a national campaign?
Posted by: Soothsayer

Even better; a competent candidate.

Crazy, I know.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at November 29, 2011 08:37 AM (mIucK)

112 was she a hooker? 

Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at November 29, 2011 08:37 AM (s+J9D)

113 91 "scamper"? That's a new one on me. I like it.

Posted by: ace at November 29, 2011 12:30 PM (nj1bB)

It's more playful and not as crude, but I cannot take credit for it. The "Greaseman" uses it doing his shows, he was able to be quite descriptive of things using this as a code so that he did not run afoul of the FCC.

Posted by: MrCaniac at November 29, 2011 08:37 AM (AM+sr)

114 Dude, don't your first and second sentences sort of make the case against Cain just on merit? Shhh. Don't you know that the best argument for Herman Cain is that he's the conservative version of the guy we've been mocking for three years. For some reason the best candidate is the one who is an Obama clone. Cainiacs are perhaps a slight step up from Paulots in their mindless devotion.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at November 29, 2011 08:37 AM (IGkEP)

115 I dunno, I do think Cain was a weak candidate, especially on foreign policy, and weak on handling crisis, although accusations are hard to disprove.  still  I'd have preferred Cain over Obama by far.

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 08:37 AM (h+qn8)

116 To me, everything Cain says is at least partially wrong. Figure he got at least a couple late night handies.

Posted by: Clownf*cker at November 29, 2011 08:38 AM (XiVKO)

117
Mark Block was banned from politics for corruption, or some shit.

Banned from politics.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 08:38 AM (sqkOB)

118 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 29, 2011 12:36 PM (vzFJV)

You start out making the assumption that Mrs. Cain knew nothing about this, if in fact, it has even a shred of truth to it besides someone manipulating the media.

Posted by: blue bonnet at November 29, 2011 08:38 AM (oZfic)

119 Some still waiting around for that corpse to sit up.  I don't know why.  He's such a doofus  I can't believe anyone ever took him seriously.

We wanted to believe. I wanted to believe. But he didn't handle the sexual harassment allegations competently, and then he showed he really didn't have a clue about things a president should have a clue about, like Libya, Pakistan...

I don't think Cain ever expected to be a front-runner and was caught by surprise when he became the Not-Romney Flavor of the Week. I mean, who enters a Republican primary without having a well-thought out position on abortion?

And for those who are still insisting that Cain is just "pinin' for the Fjords," I think first of all, it's tough to admit you're wrong after you've gone all in with a candidate, and second, there's a certain mentality that all the hatred the MFM/the Establishment threw at Cain must be repudiated because *we* can't let *them* kill our candidate. 

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at November 29, 2011 08:38 AM (AQD6a)

120 I can't believe Republican primary voters are going to settle on Newt instead of Perry as the not-Romney candidate, especially in view of Newt's recent comments on illegal immigration. Yeah, you would think all the people who got sand in their vagina over the "heartless" comment would be equally as miffed about the "inhumane" comment.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at November 29, 2011 08:39 AM (IGkEP)

121 105 Y-Not yes, I never got that, or Perry then blaming romney.

IIRC, some in Perry's team blamed Romney (which is also sort of what Fred Thompson did in his NRO OpEd piece that came out around that time).  I think they cited the fact that the NRA CEO after Cain was/is a Romney backer/donor.  There's a certain logic to that since the allegations only came from his time at the NRA and seemed to (initially at least) originate from their HR files rather than from individual women coming forward (until that third one did). 

I didn't hear Perry point the finger at Mitt.  Maybe he did, but I missed it. 

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 08:39 AM (5H6zj)

122 107 This just shows why "regular guys" won't run for office.

God knows I've done things I'd rather not have examined on the evening news.

Mild example: went to a party, drank a bunch of tequila, got a girl to give me a ride home (my memory ends here). She said that back at my place I went into the bathroom, upchucked, brushed my teeth then came out shirtless and tried to kiss her.

Now, spin that with a lefty agenda...

Nope, not interested in putting my family through that sort of nonsense.

Posted by: Scott J at November 29, 2011 12:36 PM (KC2BE)

 

Sounds like our kind of party!

Posted by: Bill Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Chris Dodd at November 29, 2011 08:39 AM (fYOZx)

123 He's got 99 problems and this bitch is another one.

Posted by: Jay-Z at November 29, 2011 08:39 AM (AM+sr)

124 was she a hooker?

I think that she prefers the term "intimate services entrepreneur."

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2011 08:40 AM (Hx5uv)

125 After much careful thought and a reassessment my situation, and I've decided to fully support Silvio Berlusconi.  Bunga bunga, baby!

Posted by: Herb Cain at November 29, 2011 08:40 AM (/ZZCn)

126

Newt/Bachman

Posted by: spypeach at November 29, 2011 08:40 AM (WKfZb)

127

McCain - McCain 2012!

Posted by: Cicerokid at November 29, 2011 08:40 AM (bYxDG)

128
it's funny how the Atlanta tv station introduced her as an Atlanta business woman.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 08:41 AM (sqkOB)

129 All of which means we're going to be sodomizing the domestic fowl until August. Great.

Posted by: joncelli at November 29, 2011 08:41 AM (RD7QR)

130 I can't wait until it's Mitt's turn. Gay rumors are my guess.

Posted by: SurferDoc at November 29, 2011 08:41 AM (6H6FZ)

131 127, nah. I took no for an answer. No ice required.

Posted by: Scott J at November 29, 2011 08:41 AM (KC2BE)

132 I wanna be the first to say "Cain is out? CAIN IS OUT?!?!?!"

Posted by: Countrysquire for Perry at November 29, 2011 08:41 AM (gTtYQ)

133 if I'm Mitt, I'm thinking "Is an endorsement from a guy who just dropped out of the race because he got caught with his pants on the ground really all that helpful?"

Sure it is.  Mitt will not move toward "the base" on substance (or even on rhetoric, frankly), but Cain has attracted a fair number of base supporters.  Even if only a fraction of them move to Mitt, that's still a win.  Hell, maybe he'll break thirty percent. 

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 08:41 AM (5H6zj)

134 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This candidacy is no more! It has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-CANDIDATE!!

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at November 29, 2011 08:42 AM (AQD6a)

135 For anyone interested.....

Join us for a live stream at 12:45pm Eastern! Sheriff Joe Arpaio will join Gov. Rick Perry at a town hall in New Hampshire.

http://tinyurl.com/r2tjc

Hope this one is better than the last live stream.

Posted by: Tami at November 29, 2011 08:42 AM (X6akg)

136
E's gotten better!

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 08:42 AM (sqkOB)

137 After much careful thought and a reassessment my situation, and I've decided to fully support Silvio Berlusconi.  Bunga bunga, baby!

I see a bumper sticker:  Bunga Bunga 999!

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2011 08:43 AM (Hx5uv)

138 As for Cain's warchest (if he drops out) I think it depends on where that money went.  If it all went to a PAC, then it's still up-for-grabs (the PAC can spend it on anyone).  If it went directly to his campaign, it's tied to him.  He can "suspend" his campaign and just keep it there, but he can't spend it on some other candidate.

I think.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 29, 2011 08:43 AM (8y9MW)

139 I have a really hard time understanding how someone who supported Herman Cain could simply switch to Romney. Whole different paradigm.

Posted by: Dave at November 29, 2011 08:43 AM (Xm1aB)

140 >>> Cain cannot give up his candidacy under any circumstances. The decision is not in the hands of the media and Cain's political opponents, it's in the hands of the Republicans who vote in the primaries and caucuses. It's troubling that they want to take that decision away from the people prematurely. What are they so afraid of? We're afraid of the Virtuous finally having their say and thwarting are carefully crafted Establishment Soft Socialism Agenda. is that the answer you're looking for? The conspiracy against the virtuous answer?

Posted by: ace at November 29, 2011 08:43 AM (nj1bB)

141 If it's true, he's just going to say he had the cancer and didn't know it and he wasn't himself.

Don't think it's relevant though, even if the woman's "business partner" sought an order of protection (per drudge)

Posted by: blue bonnet at November 29, 2011 08:44 AM (oZfic)

142 Look, Cain was a dead issue for some of us the moment he fumbled the handling of the first allegations.  Real or made up, how you handle crap like this says a lot about how you'd handle the stresses of The Job, and what he showed ain't exactly impressive.  That's nothing to do with anyone but Herman Cain.  That book was already closed, he was just the equivalent of the walking dead.

I'm giving Santorum another close look, but I'm defaulting back to Perry for now.  As for Willard the Mitt, if someone can convince me based upon hard, indisputable evidence that he would, in fact, work to undo the vast damage 44 has been doing, then I can live with voting for him in the general...if it comes to that.  Otherwise, it's going to be a long four years, one way or the other.

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143 fgs.

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 08:44 AM (h+qn8)

144 >>>And for those who are still insisting that Cain is just "pinin' for the Fjords," I think first of all, it's tough to admit you're wrong after you've gone all in with a candidate, and second, there's a certain mentality that all the hatred the MFM/the Establishment threw at Cain must be repudiated because *we* can't let *them* kill our candidate. What is weird to me is how the definition of "the MFM/the Establishment" expands to include anyone, ANYONE, who disagrees with them.

Posted by: ace at November 29, 2011 08:45 AM (nj1bB)

145 Perry will be endorsed by Palin.  Game Change.

Posted by: observer at November 29, 2011 08:45 AM (zUUPB)

146 136 127, nah. I took no for an answer. No ice required.

Posted by: Scott J at November 29, 2011 12:41 PM (KC2BE)

 

Amateur.  You 'persuade' her and drive her off a bridge.  Works every time.

Posted by: Ted Kennedy at November 29, 2011 08:45 AM (fYOZx)

147 Well from the looks of things only Herman and Newt can get laid. What's that say about the rest of them?

Posted by: Sub-Tard Backhoe at November 29, 2011 08:45 AM (0M3AQ)

148 You start out making the assumption that Mrs. Cain knew nothing about this, if in fact, it has even a shred of truth to it besides someone manipulating the media. No, ass. I started off with the assumption that when his fucking lawyer made the statement that "Mr. Cain has informed his wife of these allegations and has discussed the situation with her." What the fuck is there to "discuss" if she knew all about it, hyper-intellect? On the one hand, the media is stupid. On the other, they're fucking Jew-level masters of deception and manipulation. Pick one and stick to it.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 29, 2011 08:46 AM (0yt4x)

149 You know, I really hate this, but I have to point out a few things: 1. Herman Cain is no politician, that is abundantly clear. He was an executive at couple a couple of companies, big deal. I know a few executive of Fortune 500 companies, all of them with great business acumen, but I would never ever think they were qualified to be POTUS any more then the SCOAMF. 2. He may or may not be the smartest guy in the room. Never met him, donÂ’t know anything about him personally. But he comes off as a dope. Its embarrassing to hear him when he is boxed in and has to speak on substance and not canned tea-party tested platitudes. 3. Uh, how many broads have come out with stories to tell ? IÂ’ve lost count. There seems to be a pattern with all of them. Dull-witted, mid-tier corporate frauleins with bad credit. There are dudes that have a tried and true MO that works the majority of the time and they stick with it. 4. There is a fair amount of wish-casting amongst conservatives that HE was going to be our guy. Built in immunity from the race card BS, inoculating us once and for all. We have been rubbing our rabbits foot to hope that the MFM wont dredge up yet another bint with bad credit that has a story to tell.

Posted by: Chairman Mow at November 29, 2011 08:46 AM (ih+cL)

150 @150
Do you know this or just hope this?

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 08:46 AM (5H6zj)

151 there is such a thing as the enemy of my enemy is my momentary friend.
useful.
or just a way to get the result you want.
why is it we cannot agree we are mostly all of good conscious and want what is best for our country?

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 08:47 AM (h+qn8)

152 even the Mitt supporters : P

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 08:48 AM (h+qn8)

153 I can't wait until it's Mitt's turn. Gay rumors are my guess.

You'll have to wait for the general election campaign for those.

Posted by: The Unbiased and Objective MSM, Watchdogs of Democracy at November 29, 2011 08:48 AM (QKKT0)

154 @156 Aw, fuck that.

Posted by: Dave at November 29, 2011 08:48 AM (Xm1aB)

155 Oh God, Huntsman is rising in the polls in NH. How can a candidate that no R's like or support be improving?  Someone talk me off this ledge. Posted by: Ms Choksondik, hoping for a Rick Perry miracle at November 29, 2011 12:36 PM

The TV spots Moe Huntsman is running in New England may have a lot to do with it. If you didn't know anything about Lou Huntsman, you'd think he was a die-hard conservative who's ready to take the corrupt SCoaMF out of the White House by the scruff of the neck.

I guess nobody lets the tagline sink in, which is one of the "concerned Americans" who have been slamming Osama Obama saying, "why haven't we heard about him?"

Certainly not the kind of spot The Mutt or The Newt would run. Maybe Perry, but I haven't seen him so willing to go to the mat yet.

Posted by: MrScribbler at November 29, 2011 08:48 AM (HkOAc)

156 Thanks right, bitches. Everything's better with a little-

Posted by: Pure Cain Sugar at November 29, 2011 08:48 AM (O+vIa)

157 Well from the looks of things only Herman and Newt can get laid. What's that say about the rest of them?

Second look at Bob Dole?

Posted by: Bob Dole at November 29, 2011 08:49 AM (QKKT0)

158 Dave, eh, I become a wreck everytime one of our candidates is knocked to the ground. give me time.

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 08:50 AM (h+qn8)

159 152 Well from the looks of things only Herman and Newt can get laid. What's that say about the rest of them?

Posted by: Sub-Tard Backhoe at November 29, 2011 12:45 PM (0M3AQ)

 

Oh I can assure you Perry can get laid.  He just has to call me.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik, hoping for a Rick Perry miracle at November 29, 2011 08:50 AM (fYOZx)

160 We're afraid of the Virtuous finally having their say and thwarting are carefully crafted Establishment Soft Socialism Agenda.

is that the answer you're looking for? The conspiracy against the virtuous answer?

Posted by: ace at November 29, 2011 12:43 PM (nj1bB)

Actually my thoughts were that the media has too much say and too much sway with people.  In my world it's truly frightening how fast something can get put on a website and be sent around, a matter of seconds.  Look, I agree with you that if he had an affair it's just wrong and probably Republican candidates should practice what they preach so to speak but the fact remains they elected Clinton after he had been accused of affairs which were later proven to be true.  Romney and Perry seem to rest on their long term marriages like they are a badge of honor.  If they both have good solid long standing marriages that are strong and successful then that is wonderful but I bet the media already has a dossier on both of them waiting to be revealed should either be the nominee.

Posted by: blue bonnet at November 29, 2011 08:50 AM (oZfic)

161

>> it has even a shred of truth to it besides someone manipulating the media.

 

You mean those "shreds of truth that Cain lawyers admitted to about financial support, including that Cain told his wife?"

Those shreds of truth?

Posted by: Dave in Texas at November 29, 2011 08:50 AM (PjVdx)

162 @164 willow I was kidding, being a smart aleck.

Posted by: Dave at November 29, 2011 08:50 AM (Xm1aB)

163
re: Perry's live conference with Joe Arp

It hasn't started yet.
I hope it's not too much of an anti-illegal pander that insults my sensibilities. Just say you'll secure the border and you're against illegal immigration and amnesty. Then move on.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 08:51 AM (sqkOB)

164

Well from the looks of things only Herman and Newt can get laid.

Excuse me?

Posted by: Bachman's Brood at November 29, 2011 08:51 AM (bYxDG)

165 I don't really get it either. I don't think Newt is appreciably more conservative than Romney, and I know he's not more electable.

I won't take shots at him, I guess, because I suppose he's okay. But he's not a strong candidate or a strong conservative. He will probably lose, I fear.

Ace,

Given what we've seen from Perry thus far, is there any real reason to believe he would beat Obama?

I know I'm sort of on Team Newt (it kind of sucks when your protest vote suddenly has a shot to win) but I'd love to be convinced on Perry.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 29, 2011 08:51 AM (Fz+L5)

166 Did Cain believe he was not going to be vetted by the media? Is he that naive? I  understand his reason for running as well as I understand the motives behind Operation Gunwalker.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 29, 2011 08:51 AM (Sh42X)

167 Ah luv yew, Ace.

Posted by: Laura Castellano at November 29, 2011 08:51 AM (fuw6p)

168 Dave, hell ,so am I in half my posts. Just got a horrid burst of adrenalin that was unwanted today.

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 08:51 AM (h+qn8)

169 Vote for me-both of the front runners are closer to polygamy....!

Posted by: Mitt Romney at November 29, 2011 08:52 AM (rJVPU)

170 At least there's sound at this Rick Perry announcement.  No one at the podium, yet.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 08:53 AM (5H6zj)

171
I'd be impressed with cold hard statistics about the impact of illegals on our entire nation, though.

Please don't serve me platitudes on illegals and on the border, Gov Perry.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 08:53 AM (sqkOB)

172 Hey, where the 39-year old white women with two kids and bad credit at? The Godfather has arrived and he's in a giving mood!



Posted by: Herman Cain at November 29, 2011 08:53 AM (QcFbt)

173 I'm not sure that "no ass" is a position that I can support.

Posted by: WalrusRex at November 29, 2011 08:53 AM (Hx5uv)

174
shut up everyone

here he is

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 08:53 AM (sqkOB)

175 So.. back to my question..

Who are the Cain supporters going to move to?  Romney or Newt or Perry?

This might be a boon for Perry.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 29, 2011 08:54 AM (f9c2L)

176 @TheFix "I have no comment on Mr. Cain. He has to do what he thinks is best." -- Newt to @ in SC today.

Posted by: Miss'80s at November 29, 2011 08:54 AM (d6QMz)

177 A Palin endorsement just might be the jumpstart Perry needs. Man, wouldn't that just chap your ass, ace?

Posted by: Dave at November 29, 2011 08:54 AM (Xm1aB)

178
oops it's just some college kid who is introducing the guvnah

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 08:54 AM (sqkOB)

179
okay shhhhh

here come the guv

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 08:55 AM (sqkOB)

180 Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 29, 2011 12:46 PM (0yt4x)

He "informed his wife of the allegations".....doesn't mean she didn't know already about the woman and financial arrangements.

I and many others hope he remains in the race.  Too many mainstream Republicans want him out.

BTW, his voters will go to Ron Paul for the Paul/Paul ticket.

Posted by: blue bonnet at November 29, 2011 08:55 AM (oZfic)

181 I hate these presser when you have tiny audiences.  The sporadic applause sounds awful.  Either big audience, silent audience, or no audience. 

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 08:55 AM (5H6zj)

182 Why is Rick trying so hard in New Hampshire?  I don't really get it. 

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 08:56 AM (5H6zj)

183
a shout out to PJ O'Rourke

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 08:57 AM (sqkOB)

184 @189 Well, there are a lot of us who aren't mainstream Republicans who want Cain out of the race too. It's just stupid to waste everyone's time in a Republican primary when you've got a mistress out there somewhere. Stupid.

Posted by: Dave at November 29, 2011 08:57 AM (Xm1aB)

185
metaphors

keys, whiskey

broken govt

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 08:58 AM (sqkOB)

186 # 191: Rick Santorum!

Rick Santorum lost his senate seat to a man who is quite probably mentally retarded. That's probably why his candidacy never caught fire.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at November 29, 2011 08:58 AM (AQD6a)

187 BTW, his voters will go to Ron Paul for the Paul/Paul ticket.

You can take that to the bank, coming from the babbling fucktard who predicted the Gigantic Dem Wave of 2010.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 29, 2011 08:58 AM (TC9Qc)

188
Im not piling on Cain, but,  If your closet is chock full of skeletons, how in the hell do people think they can run for POTUS and not have this stuff come out.  Think Gary Hart, Bill Clinton, John Edwards in this pool as well.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 29, 2011 08:59 AM (C8hzL)

189
I think I hear a few boos for Sheriff Joe.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 08:59 AM (sqkOB)

190 Good for the Sheriff for calmly calling out the "booer".

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 08:59 AM (5H6zj)

191
Yes, an asshole was booing him as he was introduced.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 09:00 AM (sqkOB)

192 Rick Santorum is right on policy, in my book. But, he is the biggest whiner I have ever seen. I just want to slap him and send him to the corner with a blanky.

Posted by: Dave at November 29, 2011 09:00 AM (Xm1aB)

193 Who is this blue bonnet person anyway? It comes off as a serious mental defective. Is this curious' new hash?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 29, 2011 09:00 AM (l9zgN)

194 No self respecting Cain supporter would ever support Perry.  they supported Cain because Newt and Romney were horrific in their mind and they were looking for someone else. 

You might not see it now, but if Cain drops out a lot of Republicans just aren't going to vote.  A lot of independents who are closet republicans won't vote in the presidential election as they are already feeling they've lost to BO already.  Go out and take the temperature of the country.  Listen to what people say.  Don't bring your own biases with you.

Posted by: blue bonnet at November 29, 2011 09:00 AM (oZfic)

195 Rick Santorum lost his senate seat to a man who is quite probably mentally retarded.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at November 29, 2011 12:58 PM (AQD6a)

By the way, should I mention that said imbecile graduated from law school?

Nah, I'll refrain.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 29, 2011 09:00 AM (T0NGe)

196 Given what we've seen from Perry thus far, is there any real reason to believe he would beat Obama?

225 Free tickets given out.  In Pennsylvania.

That's a pretty good reason, right there.

Perry has proven (finally) that he's not completely gaff-tastic in debates.  The last couple, as I understand, were definitely "meh" performances (which, sadly, is a step up...).

We were never going to "win" the debate(s) anyway.  On substance we were (and will, no matter who the nominee is), but in perception, the Media will do everything in their power (and they have a lot of power in the perception arena) to make everyone think Obama cleaned our candidate's clock.

In retail politics, however, Rick Perry is very, very good.  I suspect if this were just a race between him an Romney, he'd be sitting at 60%+ right now.  I suspect, in a one-on-one race against Obama, he'd do just fine.

And, on all the substance, he's far-and-away the best candidate, based on his actual record.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 29, 2011 09:01 AM (8y9MW)

197 @205
Yes.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 09:01 AM (5H6zj)

198 Just to be clear, I'm also willing to help out 43-year old white women with no kids and bad credit. I'm willing to go younger, but she'll probably need to have more serious self-esteem issues and recently been on Paxil.

Just bring your FICA score and some kneepads and we'll get this back-scratching started!

And there's no dirty, nasty sex involved. No, no, no. Just warm friendly hugs. I'll hug you and maybe slip you a little cash to help out with your credit problems. Then you can hug me back.

I'll give you a warm bear hug with my great big, strong arms. I'll life you're whole body up.

You can give my a hug with your pretty, little womanly mouth around my penis.

See, nothing dirty and sexual at all. Just two friends exchanging hugs.


Posted by: Herman Cain at November 29, 2011 09:01 AM (QcFbt)

199 205 Who is this blue bonnet person anyway?

It comes off as a serious mental defective. Is this curious' new hash?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 29, 2011 01:00 PM (l9zgN)

Yep...

Posted by: Tami at November 29, 2011 09:01 AM (X6akg)

200 Sheriff Joe sounds a bit like my dad.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 09:01 AM (5H6zj)

201 199
Im not piling on Cain, but,  If your closet is chock full of skeletons, how in the hell do people think they can run for POTUS and not have this stuff come out.  Think Gary Hart, Bill Clinton, John Edwards in this pool as well.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 29, 2011 12:59 PM (C8hzL)

 

Look, we tried like mad to cover that shit up but those assholes were eventually too indiscreet for even us.

Posted by: MFM at November 29, 2011 09:02 AM (fYOZx)

202
I know a few of you here don't like Joe Arp.

And I've read all your reasons for doing so. None have come close to convincing me. Indeed, your reasons and your tone sound a lot like the whiny pussy shit I hear from the Left.


Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 09:02 AM (sqkOB)

203 If your closet is chock full of skeletons, how in the hell do people think they can run for POTUS and not have this stuff come out.

Cain never expected to be the front-runner, he just expected to run as the outsider candidate, top out at 5% in the polls, then parlay his run into a pundit spot on FoxNews. That's why he never bothered to do his homework.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at November 29, 2011 09:02 AM (AQD6a)

204 Is this curious' new hash?

Yes.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 29, 2011 09:02 AM (8y9MW)

205 rolls eyes. that was silly.
So Cain supporters won't vote Perry, Newt or Romney?
fgs.

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 09:02 AM (h+qn8)

206 Cain is done. Even if he fights this one off there will be one every two weeks. I bet they have a stable of women paid to make these claims.

Posted by: kansas at November 29, 2011 09:02 AM (mka2b)

207
Ace made nood post.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 09:03 AM (sqkOB)

208 Im not piling on Cain, but,  If your closet is chock full of skeletons, how in the hell do people think they can run for POTUS and not have this stuff come out. Herman Cain don't have skeletons. Herman Cain just keeps the pelvic bones, baby!

Posted by: Herman Cain at November 29, 2011 09:03 AM (0yt4x)

209 Clear the stage of everyone but Newt and Romney and let's have a tit at it.

Posted by: CJ at November 29, 2011 09:03 AM (9KqcB)

210 202
Yes, an asshole was booing him as he was introduced.

Posted by: Soothsayer at November 29, 2011 01:00 PM (sqkOB)

Wait, I thought booing a politician (or his wife) was the WORST THING EVER.

Such disrespect for a duly-elected official.

Or does that only apply when they insert themselves into non-political events rather than having an explicitly political event in which the booer can just...leave.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 29, 2011 09:03 AM (T0NGe)

211

If anyone has any inside information, I sure would like to know who the brokered convention is going to pick to run against Hillary in the 2012 election.

Posted by: jwest at November 29, 2011 09:04 AM (qeYI9)

212 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 29, 2011 01:01 PM

And I'd add that his stumbles have been mainly when attacked from the Right, but he's demonstrated he knows how to beat Democrats. 

Hell, his "weakness" is immigration... where he is (portrayed as) too far to the center.  How does that hurt him in the general? 

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 09:04 AM (5H6zj)

213 So Cain supporters won't vote Perry, Newt or Romney?

Not a single one! Because a half-retarded Manhattan fuckwit is taking the country's temperature, or something.

Posted by: Waterhouse at November 29, 2011 09:05 AM (TC9Qc)

214 16 I honestly don't see why he would drop out if he knows the allegations are baseless.

Because it's not going to stop.

Posted by: kansas at November 29, 2011 09:05 AM (mka2b)

215 Cain won't drop out because the allegation is baseless. Cain will drop out because it is. Damn, look at the fucking statement he put out. He basically admitted it.

Posted by: Dave at November 29, 2011 09:07 AM (Xm1aB)

216 @229 sorry, Cain will drop out because it is...true.

Posted by: Dave at November 29, 2011 09:07 AM (Xm1aB)

217

Cain never expected to be the front-runner, he just expected to run as the outsider candidate, top out at 5% in the polls, then parlay his run into a pundit spot on FoxNews. That's why he never bothered to do his homework.

Bingo. He came off as the motivational speaker he was. Motivational speakers don't take questions beyond "Will you take a check?"

Posted by: CJ at November 29, 2011 09:07 AM (9KqcB)

218 blue bonnet at November 29, 2011 12:25 PM (oZfic)  They're saying she looks familiar?  Oh that's an easy one.  She's the chippie from Moonstruck.

Posted by: SarahW at November 29, 2011 09:07 AM (OoFwu)

219 Waterhouse, cough, so I suppose they  should all just give up!

or maybe these are the Ron Paul! supporters in hiding?

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 09:08 AM (h+qn8)

220

yes it the idiots new hash...

Posted by: phoenixgirl on other work computer ready to drink the perry flavor-aid at November 29, 2011 09:08 AM (s+J9D)

221 Perry needs to release a border security plan showing how he'll seal the border in 12 months.  He needs to show his expertise. 

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2011 09:08 AM (5H6zj)

222 Y-Not, Has there been anything you've heard that you think will damage Perry unduly(immigration thing doesn't kill him imho) if Perry's poll numbers start climbing back up?

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 09:10 AM (h+qn8)

223 part 2 :and is it possible for Perry to do much better in debates

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 09:11 AM (h+qn8)

224 o hell everyone left.

Posted by: willow at November 29, 2011 09:12 AM (h+qn8)

225 You do realize that when Herman bows out all pubbies will be tarred as sexually repressed racists? No mention of who brought these claims forward. Its either Willard or more likely Mister Sparkles friends in Chicongoland.

Posted by: Sub-Tard Backhoe at November 29, 2011 09:14 AM (0M3AQ)

226 And, on all the substance, he's far-and-away the best candidate, based on his actual record.
Posted by: AllenG
..........
I agree.  His ads are polished.. he comes off as likable and professional.

As I said earlier.. I think anyone can beat Obama when you look at Obama's record.  However, if Perry choked in national debates with Obama, it might be a problem.  Romney wouldn't.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 29, 2011 09:15 AM (f9c2L)

227 Dole-McCain '12!!!!

They're only 55  in RINO years!!

Posted by: Hedgehog at November 29, 2011 09:16 AM (VUawY)

228 Its either Willard or more likely Mister Sparkles friends in Chicongoland. Posted by: Sub-Tard Backhoe
.....
Hey! Lay off Chicago.. we're in mourning here.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 29, 2011 09:16 AM (f9c2L)

229 I, too, am currently reassessing my campaign to be the Houston Texans new quarterback.

Seriously, how can one be so stupid as to run for president as a Republican and think that all your dirt will stay hidden for over a year?

Posted by: Sterling Archer at November 29, 2011 09:17 AM (1H47k)

230 "Bingo. He came off as the motivational speaker he was. Motivational speakers don't take questions beyond 'Will you take a check?'"

EXACTLY

Posted by: SarahW at November 29, 2011 09:18 AM (OoFwu)

231 Wanna guess how I like my temperature taken?

Posted by: blue bottom at November 29, 2011 09:19 AM (O+vIa)

232 Let's just hope he doesn't go full on Powell or Steele on Perry.  He seems to like dropping the race card now and then.


Posted by: Barbarian at November 29, 2011 09:22 AM (EL+OC)

233 I don't really get it either. I don't think Newt is appreciably more conservative than Romney, and I know he's not more electable.

I won't take shots at him, I guess, because I suppose he's okay. But he's not a strong candidate or a strong conservative. He will probably lose, I fear.

I hope ace is sidelining the Newt bashing because there isn't anything there. If there's something there, out with it! Lets get this crap over with, already!

Don't hold back now!

Posted by: Jay in Ames at November 29, 2011 09:26 AM (UEEex)

234 Hey, remember when Nancy Pelosi got a sweet deal on Visa stock in trade for burying some unfriendly legislation? 

Yeah, apparently no one does.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 29, 2011 09:27 AM (DuH+r)

235 "You might not see it now, but if Cain drops out a lot of Republicans just aren't going to vote."

Wow, with blinding insight like that, it's a shock that you're not making rounds on the talk show circuit. Get thee to MSNBC!!

Posted by: Get Out, B*tch! at November 29, 2011 09:28 AM (pVvkk)

236

Let's just hope he doesn't go full on Powell or Steele on Perry. He seems to like dropping the race card now and then.

This is a definite possibility. Perhaps the only way he can generate interest and a new audience in the future.

Posted by: CJ at November 29, 2011 09:29 AM (9KqcB)

237 Newt is almost certainly going to be the beneficiary of a Cain withdrawal.  If he wins Iowa, is competitive in NH, and wins SC, then the nomination is his.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 29, 2011 09:29 AM (b68Df)

238 Those who speculate Palin will endorse Perry: how does she do that without looking like a fool after throwing her lot in with Bachman on tardasil?

Posted by: Scott J at November 29, 2011 09:34 AM (KC2BE)

239 Palin is not endorsing anyone.  She'd be a fool if she did and she's not a fool.  She'll wait until the general and decide if she wants to involve herself in the campaign, depending upon the candidate.

Newt or Perry or Romney will not see any benefit from a Cain withdrawal.  If he in fact withdraws, instead of pulling back, Huntsman will benefit. 

Way too many tea party types are republicans.  They are very fond of saying that you need to vote for a person, not necessarily for the person the party puts out there.  You all might think it is not conceivable that people would vote but leave the presidential line blank.  It is feasible, it may happen as a form of silent protest and the Republicans need to think about this instead of pretending it will go away "once we pick our candidate".


Posted by: blue bonnet at November 29, 2011 09:38 AM (oZfic)

240

125 I can't believe Republican primary voters are going to settle on Newt instead of Perry as the not-Romney candidate, especially in view of Newt's recent comments on illegal immigration.

The Republican primary voters are sick to death of nominating candidate after candidate who bumbles, stumbles, and fumbles in a debate and in front of the media.  They are starving for someone articulate and quick on his feet.

 

That person obviously isn't Rick Perry, and that is why he will not be nominated.  People talk about an "anti-Romney" group that will not vote Mitt for the nomination under any circumstances.  Well, I think there is an "anti-Perry" faction as well, that will refuse to vote for someone they have deemed inarticulate and out of his depth.  They've got 8 years of GWB fresh on their memories after all.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 29, 2011 09:38 AM (b68Df)

241 Ace wrote:"Does anyone positing a conspiracy theory ever feel the need to bring some evidence forward themselves?"

Ever heard of Journolist?  Think they just utterly gave up an repented after it was uncovered?

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 29, 2011 09:42 AM (l23WN)

242 BTW, a very old politically saavy person I am acquainted with has said that Huntsman is the most conservative of the bunch.  Even over Santorum and Bachman?  I asked.  His answer was "yes and that it is a shame that Huntsman hasn't gotten his record out there for all to see".  So I'm guessing since this guy is "in the know" that huntsman is about ready to have his rise.

Posted by: blue bonnet at November 29, 2011 09:42 AM (oZfic)

243 1) Did his wife know about the purportedly charitable "friendship" he had with this woman? 2) Yes the media is biased, but they did report on Gary Hart, and so what if they are, any Republican running for office need not bother if he has been reckless with his marital vow. Personally, marital fidelity counts a lot for me, as it does for many conservatives. Any man who takes that vow seriously does not have charitable friendships with sexually available women. He understands that near occasion of sin is so often just as harmful as sin (and I say that a a devout agnostic).

Posted by: Tonawanda at November 29, 2011 09:43 AM (fgysf)

244

The Republican primary voters are sick to death of nominating candidate after candidate who bumbles, stumbles, and fumbles in a debate and in front of the media. They are starving for someone articulate and quick on his feet.

That person obviously isn't Rick Perry, and that is why he will not be nominated. People talk about an "anti-Romney" group that will not vote Mitt for the nomination under any circumstances. Well, I think there is an "anti-Perry" faction as well, that will refuse to vote for someone they have deemed inarticulate and out of his depth. They've got 8 years of GWB fresh on their memories after all.

Worth reposting....

Posted by: CJ at November 29, 2011 09:49 AM (9KqcB)

245 257, count me as a throwback who also thinks that marital vow is a measure of character.

If someone doesn't respect that how am I to believe the vow they take on inauguration day?

Posted by: Scott J at November 29, 2011 09:49 AM (KC2BE)

246 Party is over Herman. Time to go home. It was a good long ride. Your campaign too.

Posted by: Lojack at November 29, 2011 09:50 AM (AMNW2)

247 I haven't read any of the comments or really followed this particular allegation too much but did anyone follow up with him as to why he helped her financially?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 29, 2011 09:51 AM (pLTLS)

248 So I'm guessing since this guy is "in the know" that huntsman is about ready to have his rise.

Posted by: blue bonnet at November 29, 2011 01:42 PM (oZfic)

He'll rise from the first to second floor at Motel 6.

Posted by: CJ at November 29, 2011 09:51 AM (9KqcB)

249 Ace wrote:  "I don't think Newt is appreciably more conservative than Romney, and I know he's not more electable."

Newt's trophies:  Tip O'Neill, Jim Wright, Tom Foley, 1st GOP House in modern history, forced Clinton to sigh welfare reform and Defense of Marriage act.

Mitt's:  [cricket chirping]...

Newt knows how to fight liberals, period.  You got to give him that.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 29, 2011 09:51 AM (l23WN)

250 Can Palin buy his primary state registrations, sort of like Herman the place holder, I am really not thinking we have a winner in the bunch here, we need someone already vetted and willing to fight the corrupt crony capitalists ...gardisil, fannie and freddie, goldman sachs and solyndra type crony capitalists.

Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at November 29, 2011 10:00 AM (vXqv3)

251 "Oh God, Huntsman is rising in the polls in NH. How can a candidate that no R's like or support be improving?"

You don't have to be a Repub to vote in the NH primary.  Nice, huh?

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 29, 2011 10:00 AM (l23WN)

252 Yeah, Newt is much better than Mitt.  Though I think Rick's better than Newt.
 
Newt does have the capacity to win a fight against liberals.  Mitt seriously doesn't have any fight in him, and has happily helped liberals so many times.

And Rick's the guy who will have Bush's Iraq stubbornness in the face of liberal and MSM hysteria, only Rick will have it on balancing the budget and reforming Romneycare style programs.  That's why I like him.  When he stands there sticking to his guns, I actually am pleased even when it's something I disagree with him on, because I do agree with Rick on spending and I think that's supremely important.

But if not Rick, Newt is an acceptable candidate.

Posted by: Dustin at November 29, 2011 10:01 AM (rQ/Ue)

253 Yeah, Newt fights liberals by co-opting some of their worst positions.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at November 29, 2011 10:05 AM (YmPwQ)

254 As someone said on Fox yesterday, with Newt comes a LOT of baggage. He will be a damn tough sell in the general election.

Posted by: Vic at November 29, 2011 10:07 AM (YdQQY)

255 Yeah, Newt is much better than Mitt. Though I think Rick's better than Newt. This.

Posted by: Paul Zummo at November 29, 2011 10:07 AM (IGkEP)

256

But it was a just a friendship relationship.”

Um, yeah. I like totally just give chicks money and stuff.

Posted by: Jay at November 29, 2011 10:07 AM (3LaGb)

257 I think Cain would have been a great VP and eventually could have been a great president but the Obama team has managed to smear and destroy him like they have so many previous opponents so he's out of the picture now. And right leaning blogs (like this one) did their part to help out, too.

Great work.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 29, 2011 10:09 AM (r4wIV)

258 My word, you really can change your name but can't change if you are stupid, can you?

Posted by: Lord Humungus Wasteland Teahadi at November 29, 2011 10:12 AM (Yv6gq)

259 @254 So...better an articulate squish than an inarticulate conservative?  Even if the inarticulate one does just fine in every setting except debates?

The people of this country have been conditioned to vote based on emotion rather than thought.  That will continue in this election.  Likely, Newt or Mitt will end up being the nominee and the next 4 years will be a disaster whether they win or lose because in the single most important factor they are the same as Obama.  Both of them believe...all the way down to their toes...that the solution to almost any problem is a government solution.  Doesn't matter the problem.  Newt and Mitt might, might, come up with a big government solution more palatable to conservative from a values perspective but it will still be pouring gasoline on the bonfire of our nation.

Posted by: Laughing in Texas at November 29, 2011 10:16 AM (dL9LY)

260 @254  perry is anything but inarticulate. he isnt good at debates but he shines when he gives a speech or does interviews. to count him out on his debate performances is stupidity on your part. do you really think bush won either of his elections because of his debate performance?? or that mccain lost because voters wanted someone who gives a good speech? please, those qualities are very very low on the voters minds. stop selling them short.

Posted by: chas at November 29, 2011 10:21 AM (TKF1Y)

261 >>>I think Cain would have been a great VP and eventually could have been a great president but the Obama team has managed to smear and destroy him like they have so many previous opponents so he's out of the picture now. And right leaning blogs (like this one) did their part to help out, too. >>>Great work. It remains to me fucking amazing that people like you are so fucking arrogant you insist that I share your unhinged enthusiasm for shit Palin-surrogate candidates. Spin, spin, spin for Cain. --Why? I don't like him. Doesn't matter. You have to do what We The Collective say. --But I don't like him and I think this stuff is probably true. Does truth matter anymore? We The Collective do not evaluate premises as to whether or not they are "true," but only whether they are "helpful," and we find this one unhelpful.

Posted by: ace at November 29, 2011 10:24 AM (nj1bB)

262 >>>Well, I think there is an "anti-Perry" faction as well, that will refuse to vote for someone they have deemed inarticulate and out of his depth. They've got 8 years of GWB fresh on their memories after all. I sort of understand that, except that major elements of this anti-Perry faction have, in turn, been ga-ga over Palin and then Cain.

Posted by: ace at November 29, 2011 10:26 AM (nj1bB)

263 Being that they seem to have women issues in common, I am now surprised Bill Clinton reserved his nice words for Newt instead of Herman.

Posted by: Govicide at November 29, 2011 10:36 AM (Xanmi)

264 274 @254  perry is anything but inarticulate. he isnt good at debates but he shines when he gives a speech or does interviews. to count him out on his debate performances is stupidity on your part. do you really think bush won either of his elections because of his debate performance?? or that mccain lost because voters wanted someone who gives a good speech? please, those qualities are very very low on the voters minds. stop selling them short.       To discount the importance of speaking intelligently would be idiotic denial on your part.   First of all, Bush barely won his first election as President, and the second election was close as well.  Now, remember the eight years he was President?  How much did Bush's communications skills (or lack thereof) benefit his Presidency or the image of conservativism in the long run?   Voters do care about these things, and as was my specific point, they are a huge priority to REPUBLICAN voters now more than ever, whether you like it or not. 

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 29, 2011 10:41 AM (b68Df)

265

@254  perry is anything but inarticulate. he isnt good at debates but he shines when he gives a speech or does interviews. to count him out on his debate performances is stupidity on your part. do you really think bush won either of his elections because of his debate performance?? or that mccain lost because voters wanted someone who gives a good speech? please, those qualities are very very low on the voters minds. stop selling them short.  

 

 

To discount the importance of speaking intelligently would be idiotic denial on your part.   First of all, Bush barely won his first election as President, and the second election was close as well.  Now, remember the eight years he was President?  How much did Bush's communications skills (or lack thereof) benefit his Presidency or the image of conservativism in the long run?   Voters do care about these things, and as was my specific point, they are a huge priority to REPUBLICAN voters now more than ever, whether you like it or not. 

 

Posted by: Reggie1971 at November 29, 2011 10:42 AM (b68Df)

266

I wonder how all those people who donated to cains campaign feel right about now?

He knew this was coming!

Posted by: TypicalWhitey at November 29, 2011 10:44 AM (xeVap)

267 You can't have Rick Santorum-know why? Forget the fact that he double teamed with the Gardisal crap-or he's one of the Republican defenders of giving Little Paki-( aka Osama Protecter) his allowance without any questions the real problem with Rick Santorum is the- Dead Baby Letter-no one talks about it-but it's out there-he'll never hold up in a general election. It's really sad actually-but there it is.

Posted by: tasker at November 29, 2011 10:50 AM (rJVPU)

268 I wonder how all those people who donated to cains campaign feel right about now?

Butt hurt is my guess.

Posted by: Barbarian at November 29, 2011 11:07 AM (EL+OC)

269 All of you saying we can't vote for Perry because he can't speak (which automatically makes him unelectable) let me say three things: 1. Perry is not inarticulate, especially not on the campaign trail and not when he gives speeches. To give up on this point is to give the argument back to the left and allow them to do the same thing they did to Dan Quayle (which could have been beat if Quayle had fought back). Perry is fighting back, he is proving that he can articulate. 2. Mitt has a picture of himself with $100 bills coming out of his coat, for crying out loud! He is the poster boy of the 1% whom nobody, nobody trusts! Yet you say he is electable? Newt sat on a couch with Pelosi and cheated on two of his wives, and was booted out of office. And yet he is electable? And instead of being afraid of these electability factors, we will place our fear on what Perry might, might do in a debate with a guy who can't speak coherently without a teleprompter. What in the hell makes Mitt and Newt so damn electable? Newt and Mitt are not more electable than Perry, whatever Perry's flaws maybe. Yeah, this election is going to be tough, it's not going to be a cakewalk. But nobody knows this far out how well anybody is going to do in the general. So in that case, our best bet is to go with the guy with the best record who actually has a plan to shrink government, and has the record to back it up. Perry 2012!

Posted by: Recluse Spider at November 29, 2011 11:22 AM (eScuN)

270 I guess that was actually 2 things, the third is: Go Perry!

Posted by: Recluse Spider at November 29, 2011 11:23 AM (eScuN)

271 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at November 29, 2011 11:28 AM (7WJOC)

272

Reggie1971 at November 29, 2011 02:42 PM (b68Df)

 

neither of bush's election hinged on his inarticulateness. you are just way wrong on this. maybe he couldve gained a little here or there if he was a better speaker but that is not a voter concern. and its a moot point. perry isnt inarticulate. when he gives speeches and interviews he is very very well spoken and connects w/ the people he is speaking with. he doesnt mis-pronounce or say stupid things.  in a debate w/ one person he would also do better since his flubs have been the sort that are due to trying to juggle several thoughts at once and also due to being the target of candidates and moderators in the early debates.

Posted by: chas at November 29, 2011 12:02 PM (TKF1Y)

273 Cain is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: grease monkey at November 29, 2011 12:03 PM (VSWPU)

274 273, I'm afraid you are correct: Both Mitt and Newt are technocrats who believe they are smart enough to solve our problems with more government.

Posted by: Edj at November 29, 2011 12:26 PM (+QKfp)

275 It remains to me fucking amazing that people like you are so fucking arrogant you insist that I share your unhinged enthusiasm for shit Palin-surrogate candidates.

Hey Ace, first off... relax. Second, there's a lot of ground between "unhinged enthusiasm" and "kick Cain in the furry manbags every opportunity with 78 posts every day." I'm just saying the middle ground would have better served what you claim as your political cause. Wouldn't it?

F all politicians. I have no particular allegiance to Cain as I've said here and else where over and over and over again. They all need to be held to a high standard and accountable. Blogs are a good tool for that.

But you took it a bit further than that, and you played right into Obama's hands in the process. I keep saying this over and over: criticize and question them all but act like you're at least on the same team okay? Treat them like you would a player on your favorite sports team, criticize them but do it with some manner of affection and loyalty to the team.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 29, 2011 12:49 PM (r4wIV)

276 Newt's trophies:  Tip O'Neill, Jim Wright, Tom Foley, 1st GOP House in modern history, forced Clinton to sigh welfare reform and Defense of Marriage act.

Mitt's:  [cricket chirping]...

Newt knows how to fight liberals, period.  You got to give him that.

I think you missed a few of Mitt's - maybe do a tinsy bit of research.  If not you come accross as being nothing but a shill for Newt.

I disagree with Ace on his Perry love, but I like his blog and he is more balanced on the candidates.  Newt was my second until he went all amigo on us in the debate. 

Posted by: Evan at November 29, 2011 01:09 PM (O3OlP)

277

@292 Treat them like you would a player on your favorite sports team, criticize them but do it with some manner of affection and loyalty to the team.

 

Is that supposed to be "politically correct" treatment or what?

Posted by: ReadyorNot at November 29, 2011 01:14 PM (ErUlJ)

278 No its the reasonable treatment. Its the kind of thing you do as a smart political guy: you don't help your opposition.

For example, look at the criticism that Ace and some others have posted about Perry on this site. Clearly they like Perry, but they were willing to point out some problems with him. That's holding him to the fire but as if he's on your team, rather than helping your opponents attack him. That's how it should be done.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 29, 2011 01:21 PM (r4wIV)

279 I think you missed a few of Mitt's - maybe do a tinsy bit of research.

You sound like you know all about it, let us know what leftist trophies he's won.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 29, 2011 01:22 PM (r4wIV)

280 Ace, You might want to consider the damage that Herman Cain is now doing to the "GOP Brand." Donors should consider that as well. Cain's got a penis problem and this isn't the last bimbo who's going to come out of the closet. These non-denial denials Cain has issued make the GOP look like the party of Bill Clinton. Lose him. Fucking quick.

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284 Considering the so-called "evidence" of this so-called "13-year affair" that has now emerged, I think Herman Cain deserves a big mea culpa from those who jumped to conclusions about him. If that was evidence of a 13-year affair, then nobody is clear.

I don't think he's going to be the nominee, but he deserves at the very least an apology, and a lot more. With his experience, he'd be good in Gingrich's or Romney's cabinet -- depending on the position, of course.

The MSM and the Obama attack machine did to him what they are going to try with every other nominee in one fashion or another, just as they did to Jack Ryan when Obama ran for office in Chicago.

If people fall for those attacks as easily as they did for the attack on Cain, we'd better concede right now and save the effort.

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