1 And he made a solid attempt at destroying Curt Anderson's career in order to point the finger at the Perry campaign, and then was forced to backtrack on his disgraceful slur.

You sure about that Gabe? His campaign head backtracked but he doubled down was what I thought happened.

2 Polygraph time.

3 1 And he made a solid attempt at destroying Curt Anderson's career in order to point the finger at the Perry campaign, and then was forced to backtrack on his disgraceful slur. Posted by: Vic Cain went down another notch for that in my view. Ugh, another Cain day.

4 Of course, folks not conditioned to reflexively distrust the MFM, like the average swing voter,

Where you get that??? Everything I see says almost all know they LIE. What the MFM (and those that want to see the story get traction) can do is scream it often enough so it will stick...they are accomplishing that...in spades...thanks!

5 Oy....Groundhog day.

6

Comedian Bill Cosby, certainly no conservative Republican by any stretch of the imagination, was widely liked and admired by America's black community....

....until he publicly stated that he was tired of seeing subliterate black children standing out in the streets, screaming, cursing, dropping the "N" word every five seconds, with their pants at their ankles and their dignity in the dumpster.

Immediately after Cosby's public statement rebuking the deplorable state of American black pop culture, he was besieged with mulitple accusations of sexual misconduct.

Curious, isn't it?

No one had ANY complaints whatsoever with Bill Cosby....

....until he suggested that young black people pull up their pants, learn to speak English, get a job, take education seriously, and stop calling each other "ni**er" every five seconds.

7 What the MFM (and those that want to see the story get traction) can do is scream it often enough so it will stick...they are accomplishing that...in spades...thanks!
Posted by: NfromNC at November 08, 2011 07:45 AM

Yup. They're accomplishing it in Ace of Spades, too.

8 He must have done it because a woman says he did it.

GUILTY.

Sheesh. First, anonymous nobodies allege non-facts.

Now, we get some actual woman with a claim of attempted groping and boorish behavior from almost 20 years ago.

And there are plenty of people on the right who just shrug and say, "See, must be true!"

Cain can't possibly disprove these "charges." The women and media can't possibly prove these allegations. Ergo: GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY!

The rush to judgement from both sides of the aisle is astounding. And it's all flowing in the same direction. You are all tools.

9

I enjoyed Jennifer Flowers just like everybody else!

10 Here we go again. Any evidence he has done anything wrong? Any at all? Nope. Maybe you don't focus real hard on defending yourself if you have done nothing wrong.

11 This Cain fellow must be rich. Taking these chicks to dinner before "Getting a little", hell, I never tried that.

12

This same media has done all they could to portray Rick Perry as being gay and/or an unrepentant racist.

Forgive me for not believing their every charge against conservatives.

I've seen what they did to George W. Bush, who certainly was NOT Hitler.

I've seen what they did to persecute Newt Gingrich.

I've seen what they did to both Clarence Thomas and Robert Bork.

I remember how they treated Ronald Reagan.

Again, forgive me for not believing them.

They never had any questions for Ted "Splash" Kennedy or Robert "Sheets" Byrd....

Says quite a bit to me.

13 "But look how far she went. Limbaugh's caller has a rock-solid conviction that the accusations are false, even though she has very little objective evidence with which to evaluate their accuracy." A real WTF statement. What happened to the accusers burden of proof? How come we, the accused defenders, have to come up with the evidence to the contrary ourselves?

14 Immediately after Cosby's public statement rebuking the deplorable state of American black pop culture, he was besieged with mulitple accusations of sexual misconduct. Curious, isn't it? ------------------------------------ I remember this. There was clearly a campaign waged by ??? to shut Bill Cosby up. The same dynamic might be at play here with Herman Cain. He's being punished for being black and wandering off the plantation. But by who?

15 I did not have sex with that woman. But I do like to stop and smell the flowers wherever I can, just like any other guy.

16 Nothing like freshly trimmed Flowers!

17 we have statutes of limitation, rules of evidence, etc. to finally resolve issues. thereis no way to resolve this. those who think anita hill was telling the truth still think that. the media has put us into another never ending dispute. people like that rush caller will become hardened in their defense bc they have invested their ego. we are screwed as we already have precedent for those who defen at all costs

18 I could give a crap about this.  What I'm more concerned about right now is the fact that the Dems are going all in on the original purpose of F&F and calling for gun control because of it.

19 Is it permissible to call Gloria Alred a left wing extremist, lying, attention whore on AoSHQ?

20 So, if we stick to our guns to show the media they can't push us around, we wind up with the prize of a lousy candidate like Cain?

21 Can you please tell us specifics from the night you beat your wife and had gay sex with perez hilton? If you won't speak to the specifics of that night, well it must be true.

22 Many of the people I run into that believe Cain do so for a simple reason - his responses look natural. He isn't triangulating; he isn't using a media expert and campaign manager's response; he isn't 'sticking to the playbook'. He is flailing around like someone surprised by the accusations that is being a little emotional, a little confused, and not caring about 'optics' so much as reacting to unexpected allegations that are a shock as they occur. In other words, acting like a normal guy who is innocent, not like a politician, liar, or someone who is guilty and has been working on answers (but I repeat myself).

23 And as for this topic.  Isn't Gabriel a lawyer?  Isn't there burden of proof on the Accuser.  I say the accuser has to *prove* this happened, or admit she's an attention-whore.

24 "Sheesh. First, anonymous nobodies allege non-facts." ---------------------------------- Those "anonymous nobodies" each received a year's salary in a sexual harassment settlement. ---------------------------------- "Now, we get some actual woman with a claim of attempted groping and boorish behavior from almost 20 years ago." ------------------------------------ Are you saying that because it was 20 years ago it cannot have happened? Excuse me William Young, but you might want to get to a mirror before you throw around the "tool" accusations.

25 If Bialek is the 4th woman, who was #3? 

26 Cain news blog. All Cain. All of the time

27
I'm not saying that she's lying.  I will not say that.  I just think this may be a misunderstanding.

I thought she said she was "down for a struggle."

28 Where is the RNC? Shouldn't they defend the brand? It's not about cain, it's about the systematic destruction of our candidates. They, the MSM, are fracking our candidates, They drill a little hole in them, then inject amazing amounts of pressure, mudd, nothing real, and see what leaks out.

29 A very small % of women ever come forward with allegations against someone high ranking. Why? Because of what I've been reading. The attacks, the slurs and the intensity of it all. I'm not giving any points for the most recent, however, there are two women (I think that's right) who have an NDA so something happened. Does Cain have an issue with women? Is it behavioral? Is it an attitude manifested in behavior? There has not been a discussion along these lines and, quite frankly, I'm curious.

30 Deuces Wild (i.e. naive simpleton)...
The dollar amounts of those settlements fall into the "nuisance" range.  In other words, it doesn't matter if the charges are true, they get paid because going to court is waaaaaay more expensive than just paying them out.

31 #23 and where would on prove this?

32 The MFM asked Newt the other night "doesn't character matter in a president." This was specifically directed at selecting a republican president.

The above is all this is about and it is starting to work. There is enough to judge Cain on the merits regardless of 1, 2 ,3 ,5 , 1,000,000 accusations. There is no burden of proof on an accused in this country, only on the accuser. To date we have no proof and Cain can be ruled out by other methods, such as poor policy knowledge or grasp foreign interests, focus on those.

Please, Please, Please stop giving this story air and helping the MFM continue to destroy all our candidates with this distraction. Newt got it right in his response lets try to be equally intelligent.

33 ReadyorNot(foranidiot),
In these types of situations I'd bet that an NDA is *standard*.

34

"But look how far she went. Limbaugh's caller has a rock-solid conviction that the accusations are false, even though she has very little objective evidence with which to evaluate their accuracy."


A real WTF statement. What happened to the accusers burden of proof? How come we, the accused defenders, have to come up with the evidence to the contrary ourselves?

Gabe just doesn't like Cain and wants him out.  That's all this is really about.

35 23 And as for this topic. Isn't Gabriel a lawyer? Isn't there burden of proof on the Accuser. I say the accuser has to *prove* this happened, or admit she's an attention-whore. ------------------------------------- I'm no lawyer but whatever happened to Cain suing Politico? Why can't Cain sue Bialek for defamation?

36 You use words like "trained" and "conditioned" to describe people who instinctively distrust anything the MSM has to say. Presumably, you don't distrust them, right? Are you yourself not capable of making rational judgments or are you lacking in basic logic skills? There are tens of thousands, at minimum, absolute rock solid cases of media distortion and deceit concerning virtually every possible subject they cover. Political stories are the ones they deceive about most often. Using your own individual logic and powers of reasoning and deduction, you as well, should distrust the MSM--unless that is you are lacking in these areas.

37 I want to see how this thing plays out.

For now, I'm skeptical of this woman's story. I don't want to be too quick to trash Cain to prove I'm  not like Clinton's lackeys during his scandal days.

38 Maybe he is.  If he can, he should.

39 Of course, folks not conditioned to reflexively distrust the MFM, like the average swing voter and even many Republicans, are going to run in the other direction.

"folks not conditioned to reflexively distrust the MFM"

-- Cuckoos are extinct.

Don't pin this on trust/distrust of media pimps and whores. The only folks who "trust" pimps and whores are Johns with dick for brains. Now you're calling the average swing voter and even many Republicans "Johnny Dickhead".

Cain, the whole enchilada, just like any other candidate, deserves scrutiny.

Speaking as a voter, it's offensive being approached by Cain begging for financial support to protect AND promote his campaign on a 999 platform that didn't earn my approval.

What's stupid? Given the track record of corrupt politicians, folks still cling to the facade of charisma, despite being conditioned to reflexively distrust every candidate. Bitter clingers of image v. substance, in convoluted nonsense, swallowing what they want to hear despite the poison label on the bottle. Suicide of the extinct cuckoo.

40 30 Deuces Wild (i.e. naive simpleton)... The dollar amounts of those settlements fall into the "nuisance" range. In other words, it doesn't matter if the charges are true, they get paid because going to court is waaaaaay more expensive than just paying them out. -------------------------------------- Wow. Two different women in a short time span BOTH had the idea to level baseless accusations for a quick payday and a year at the house eating bon bons? I should try that!

41 I'm no lawyer but whatever happened to Cain suing Politico? For what? They know how to write to keep things suggestive and legal. Why can't Cain sue Bialek for defamation? Because it's he said/she said. Do you want to spend six figures on he said/she said ? There is no proof either way.

42

So Gabe,

Are you gonna go full on Drama Queen and say, "Rush attacked me", like Ace has?   

Overwrought just doesn't begin to decribe how you folks are behaving. If you don't like Cain because he says stupid shit (and he does), just leave it at that. But you are reveling in his personal destruction. Who needs liberals when we eat our own? 

43 Gman's got it at #18.  While this site has gone All Cain, All The Time, Holder is demonstrating quite clearly that in fact, yes, this government really is corrupt enough to kill people in the name of stripping us of our rights.

A little focus in that direction might not be a bad thing.

44 I dunno naive one.  Every lawyer I've heard say anything about it says that it's common practice to just pay out.  So yeah.

45 "Speaking as a voter, it's offensive being approached by Cain begging for financial support" to fight smears -- that's up to Cain to fight on his own with his record. Not to be bought with my financial donations. So far as whether he's guilty of being a pig, time will tell. I'd rather not care about that at the moment, focusing on the platform he's building having contracted Newt to reconstruct his campaign.

46 If it turns out this whole flap was orchestrated from obamaville, we get a diamond in the rough and it goes Cain's way.

If Bilick's story is credible, we choose another candidate.

47 Maybe Gabriel or Ace would like to address my comments regarding Bill Cosby?

No one had any problem whatsoever with Coz, until he publicly stated that young black people should pull up their pants, stop screaming and cursing, learn to speak proper English, get jobs, take education seriously, and stop calling each other "ni**er" every five seconds.

Suddenly, Bill Cosby was besieged with multiple accusations of sexual misconduct.

Funny, how that works, isn't it?

Step off the plantation for five seconds, and you're getting the whip, jack.

Doesn't need to be true. They'll ruin you however they see fit.

48

Another sideshow distraction in the Republican Nomination  Circus.  Infighting, name calling, bickering, backbiting, and now a "high tech lynching" has this race running in circles. All to the benefit of the Democrats, who are watching from the sidelines, making notes and probably having a good laugh.

The candidates need to focus on the issues, work to further the message of failure of the current administration, and promote the solutions they offer to to repair a broken ecomony and create the conditions for business to create JOBS!

Ultimately in the race for the presidency, the candidate who presents the best arguement on boosting this failing economy, and the best plan to turn business loose to grow and add private sector jobs will win the election next November.

This canidate will be Mitt Romney. Sure, it has been fun to speculate about the others running and possibly wnnning the nomination, but mostly I suspect they are running for second spot, or high level positions in the new administration. The ruling Republican Party establishment wants Romney. The premise is that he has the best chance to beat Obama, and I agree with that prediction.

So Candidates, stop the infighting, coalesce and present a strong case for a new administration. Focus on why and how the Republican Party will lead this country to new prosperity. Give facts and details, even examples. And obey Reagans 11th commandment!

49 @ 40 wow you need to live life a little more. Once rumor of a honeypot payout happens in a company I assure you there are many more employees who try to latch onto it.

A case in my company had a single alleged discrimination account. Before it was done no fewer than 10 more people attempted to latch onto it. One person I knew personally who was a complete and total waste but had actually received special privileges because of their race up to and including changing of test scores to prevent them from being unqualified. Saw this personally!

Guess what, that still didn't prevent them from trying their hand at the legal lottery once the gate was open.

50 The smartest guy wouldn't set himself up for public mutilation.

Why accept or seek invitations to venues prepared to flay and eat you alive?

It's not my job or inclination to defend Cain's overt choices.

51

With our economy in ruins, and Obama enabling a Pan-Arab caliphate,

thanks for focusing on the big story the MSM won't cover, Gabe!

Wait... what? 

52 By the way, I'm so sick of this damned story, I think I'll just give Ace of Spades a pass for a few days. Used to enjoy this site. Sure don't when we're passing the pepper and eating our own.

Bill Cosby received this same treatment.

The moment he stopped speaking out, the charges went away.

I think that's the message, kids.

53

I would be more inclined to believe Cain if he hadn't:

A. Jumped on the 'rock' issue.

B. Blamed Perry without ANY evidence whatsoever. Then when Block tried to walk it back, Cain doubled down on Hannitys radio show.

Seems to me he wants the benefit of the doubt without giving Perry the benefit of the doubt.

Double standard there Cain.

54 As far as problems go. 15 trillion dollars of debt > touching a tittie

55 So basically you are all against spending any kind of money to preserve one's good name. I got it. It's not like Cain is destitute. If these charges are false he should have fought them tooth and nail to the end.

56

6 Sam Adams

You do understand that some want no changes that may enlighten voters who then may become a less dependent on government. And anyone who promotes this path to upward ,mobility is attacked. Just do a bit of research.

57 that vacation at the end of the week looks better and better w/ these groundhog days

58 Drew,
How can Cain be specific in his denials if he didn't do anything and doesn't remember the encounter?  I'm not voting for Cain, so I don't have to defend him.
I just don't understand how much denying he can do on a specific level that would actually help or even be possible.

I've had hundreds of business dinners with people and wouldn't be able to prove I haven't made similar passes at female associates.  If a female associate came to my wife and made the same accusations, how could I make specific denials?  I'm just not seeing what you think he should say.

59 I'm still curious about who these women are who are hot enough to harass but apparently are shocked to be harassed. If you're hot enough to be "harassed" then usually you have quite a bit of history in slapping down the "advances".

60 He's acting like he's guilty, which is the main problem to me. That doesn't mean he is, but that is my proxy. The thing that amazes me is how some Cain supporters have said that his problem is that he changed his story because he is too honest. When I ask what kind of mental jujitsu gets them to that point, I never get an answer, kind of like how Ace can't get an answer about why people believe Cain is conservative.

61 @ 48 Romney is a non starter for many conservatives and he should be. Assuming that conservatives will just get inline again as the establishment jams another lib candidate down our throat is a poor bet this time.

Romney can't break 25% because he is no different than your average democrat, if conservatives wanted a democrat we would vote for one. In all seriousness I would rather see Obama re-elected than Romney, both are going to destroy this country it is just a matter of how fast between the two.

Given the above, 4 more years of Obama showing the public what real socialism is about is preferable to a slow ascent to socialism lite where the public would be slowly inoculated and would, imo, wake up to late to realize what happened. This to me is a case of a needed shock to get out of our comfort zone in order to fix things. Tough love so to speak. I know in my circles many conservatives who feel this way about Romney. Those circles are small but that is the prevailing wisdom where I live.

62 #55,

You acknowledge remembering what happened to Bill Cosby.

Who did it?

Do you think social conservatives were behind it?

Neither do I, as it would make no sense whatsoever.

Cosby said something the Left found unbearable, and they set out to destroy him.

By the way, always easy spending other people's money, isn't it? When its your own retirement account you may be destroying to take care of a nuisance lawsuit, many lawyers would advise you settle.

That, or pony up $321,000 for legal fees, and ready yourself for a very ugly five year-long legal battle.

63

I've had hundreds of business dinners with people and wouldn't be able to prove I haven't made similar passes at female associates.  If a female associate came to my wife and made the same accusations, how could I make specific denials?  I'm just not seeing what you think he should say.

But you would KNOW that you didn't do it!

 

64 Excellent. You're palinizin' Cain

65 15 trillion dollars of debt > touching a tittie Posted by: Mr Pink at November 08, 2011 08:21 AM (MHbyN) Depends on the tittie. A Hendricks is worth half that, I'm sure.

66 F & F coming up in Congress and all anyone is talking about is the Cain story.
Did Cain do A B C D ?
Did anyone die?
Are Brain Terry's parents worried about Cain or Holder?
If it is proved that Cain has a problem with women will the Government declare that women in public must be in the care of a male relative? or will our gun rights be strip just a little more?

67 The moment he stopped speaking out, the charges went away.

Cain took himself off message, feeding the fire, mentioning 999 as an afterthought, as if 999 needs no more promotion than BEAMER selling to customers already waiting in line.

Metaphorical whopper of a 999 extra cheesy gut buster funds whatever big federal spenders want while precipitating death.

68

But you would KNOW that you didn't do it!

 

Posted by: TypicalWhitey at November 08, 2011 08:29 AM (xeVap)

Ok, but how does that translate into what he should say?

69 It doesn't matter what's right or wrong, or what the law says. All that maters is that I win, you lose.

70 #56,

You're simply stating what we all already know.

71 59 - yes, because most men when they see a hot woman are incapable of grabbing her junk and pushing her head into their crotch. Really, the women should be flattered. /s

72 52 By the way, I'm so sick of this damned story, I think I'll just give Ace of Spades a pass for a few days. Think of it as a medically necessary intervention. For some reason, Ace has a hard-on for Cain that has lasted way past four hours.

73 Should be incapable of NOT grabbing her junk....

74 OK, OK, I'm convinced.

We have to go with the safest candidate who can win.

I hope they at least put "SCOAMF" on the card so I can punch that instead of "Obama."

75

Last Night:

"This is the democrat party of Virginia asking you to remember to vote tomorrow"

"Oh, don't worry I will definately vote and so will my husband and my son already has."

"Just to remind you, you're voting place is Elementary School James K. Pooocck....er, Pollllllck....Pulk....er"

"James K. Polk, he was President of the United States."

"He was? How long ago?"

"Well, about 4 presidents before Lincoln, so probably in the 1830s"

"Wow. I did not know that. I guess I should brush up on my, er, ..."

"American history?"

"Yeah, that's it. Thank you. and remember to vote Democrat".

"Bwa ha ha"

76 dagny at November 08, 2011 08:26 AM OMG, did you see what they did to that woman to make her "attractive". Her face was horribly poth marked, her make-up was trawled on. A $200 hair style and a new suit of clothes and you could make any street walker look legit.

77 I'm so sick of this damned story, I think I'll just give Ace of Spades a pass for a few days.

At least pass by the Cain threads.

Enough is too much.

78 By the way, Sarah Palin is the DEVIL.

She's evil, and she, um, lies and stuff, and, uh, she....

Well, just look at her e-mails!

Oh, yeah, there was absolutely nothing there....

Well, that won't stop us from attacking her, will it?

My God, has everyone on this site gone brain-dead?

Chimpy McHitlerBurton!

Rumsfeld!

Just chant the magic Leftist incantations, make any accusations you want, and it'll all work out in the end.

Did you know that George W. Bush personally blew up the World Trade Center?

Yep, bin-Laden had nothing to do with it.

Yep.

Well, off to smoke some crack.

79 I dunno naive one.  Every lawyer I've heard say anything about it says that it's common practice to just pay out.  So yeah.
Posted by: GMan

agreed..

It's called Write 'Em A Check & Tell 'Em To Go Hell

80 Depends on the tittie. A Hendricks is worth half that, I'm sure.

Posted by: CAC at November 08, 2011 08:29 AM (5UcDQ)

i'm gonna need some action with those bobbies to get that kind of money's worth

81

But you would KNOW that you didn't do it!

 

Posted by: TypicalWhitey at November 08, 2011 08:29 AM (xeVap)

Ok, but how does that translate into what he should say?

He should say flat out...I didn't do that. I never touched her, I never insinuated a quid pro quo, we had dinner and discussed a job and that is IT!

This crap about Cain can't address the question because he doesn't know what he is being accused of is done. He has now been accused of specific acts.

DENY them if you didn't do it!

82 71 59 - yes, because most men when they see a hot woman are incapable of grabbing her junk and pushing her head into their crotch. Really, the women should be flattered.
/s

Posted by: Boone at November 08, 2011 08:31 AM (Jl3Mu)

I don't believe it first of all. Secondly, how she got herself into a situation where that was anything but assault is weird. If he did that she should have had him arrested not come out of the woodwork with Gloria Allred a decade later. It's bull shit.

83 I kind of think that this whole issue might be contrived.  And this woman a paid plant.  This whole plot created to take Cain out.  And I also believe that just such plots, including paying those to carry them out, are already "in the can" for every Repub in this race and each one will be picked off with his plot as needed

I know this sounds conspiratorial but these fucking people know that 2012 is flat out IT for them.  They must stop the conservative movement in this country at that election.

And I think they're VERY capable of what I described above.  Whether they can keep each plot from being exposed as contrived is another matter.

84 I'm looking forward to the "DOOM" thread. Should be fun instead of this morass of glib misanthropes.

85 oh "general". I thought you said "Genital Accusations."

86

DENY them if you didn't do it!

Posted by: TypicalWhitey at November 08, 2011 08:35 AM (xeVap)

And he hasn't?

87 Aw jeez.  Not this shit again?  And first thing in the morning, too.

88 OT: Here's some relief from the Cain story, a civics quiz from a link at Maggie's Farm:

http://tinyurl.com/3w6kl66

33 questions and a chart at the end to show politicians are dumber than the average American.

Seemed pretty easy to me because I got 31 out of 33 but am too embarrassed to say which two I got wrong.

89 Poet wrote: "Where is the RNC? Shouldn't they defend the brand? It's not about cain, it's about the systematic destruction of our candidates. They, the MSM, are fracking our candidates, They drill a little hole in them, then inject amazing amounts of pressure, mudd, nothing real, and see what leaks out." Amen, bro. David Kahane must be crying a river, it seems like no-one learned a damn thing from his great book, Rules for Radical Conservatives..

90 there are two women (I think that's right) who have an NDA so something happened Posted by: ReadyorNot at November 08, 2011 08:07 AM (wHeXl) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ That is simply, 100% wrong. There are 2 women with NDA. Proving nothing more than 1) these women alleged something and 2) the NRA did not believe it was worth the legal cost to fight them. NOTHING.MORE. It DOES NOT prove "something happened"

91 For some reason, Ace has a hard-on for Cain that has lasted way past four hours.

Ace says something.
People dump shit on Ace.
Ace fights back.
The others fight back.
As is typical here, the rhetoric is rampant, people are dicks, things escalate, and everybody winds up butthurt.
Those hurt feelings carry over to the next argument.
Lather-rinse-repeat.

Ace is way to invested at this point.  He needs to break the chain and step back a little.

92 Count de Monet at November 08, 2011 08:37 AM Blame Gabe, apparently there isn't shit else going on in the world.

93 The Crawling Eye[Two mountain climbers have just spied the corpse of another.]Mountaineer: His head! ... It was torn off!Servo: You say that like it's a bad thing.

94 I would like to know when Councilor Camera Whore became the representative for Ms Bialek.  It wouldn't prove everything is everything, but it would be nice to know for reference. 

95 Remember, "swing voter" is Mycenaean Greek for "too stupid to get out of their own way" In other words, our principle base of support.

96

By the way, always easy spending other people's money, isn't it? When its your own retirement account you may be destroying to take care of a nuisance lawsuit, many lawyers would advise you settle.

That, or pony up $321,000 for legal fees, and ready yourself for a very ugly five year-long legal battle.

Posted by: Sam Adams at November 08, 2011 08:28 AM (k1wVn)

 

If there is one thing weÂ’ve all learned from Ace, itÂ’s that nuisance lawsuits should be fought to the finish, even if it bankrupts you, your family and your friends.  There is never a reason to quit.

97 I've avoided these Cain threads for the most part. I never intended to cast my primary vote for him anyway. His 999 plan was a non starter for me. I'm totally against giving the Federal government another revenue stream in the form of a national sales tax. It was that easy to dismiss his candidacy. As far as this bimbo eruption goes, I'm just glad it's happening during the primary process. I'm inclined to believe the guy is a dog. I base it on personal experience, having known a lot of successful egoists who feed their narcissism by chasing skirt. That said, enough already. I know in our little corner of the intertubes we don't have the power to shape the MFM narrative, but there's a lot more going on than Herman Cain following his dick around.

98

@61 Fire

It matters not. No question Romney is a Republicrat who will head for the center when elected. Conservatives will have to ask themselves if a center right president is preferable to a leftist. Who will do the Least harm when in office? IMHO, any Republican President in 2012, will be strongly influenced by the conservative branch of the party while in office, in both policy and practice. Conservatives should understand this and work to elect to congress those who will support convservative principles.

Romney will be the candidate the Republican Party selects. Let's find a way to make it work out best for the country.

99 Saw in the sidebar that Bill Bennett is described as a "Johnny-Come -Lately Conservative." Seriously?

100 If there is one thing weÂ’ve all learned from Ace, itÂ’s that nuisance lawsuits should be fought to the finish, even if it bankrupts you, your family and your friends. There is never a reason to quit. Posted by: jwest at November 08, 2011 08:40 AM No shit, love Palin or hate her at least they could have learned something. Our side hasn't learned shit.

101 #99

Lol at the thought that Romney is center right.

102 83 - well, now we are at the crux of the matter. You asked why it didn't happen to the woman more often, (which we don't know it didn't, and let's face facts, I'd that were here history you would simply dismiss her as a whore or money seeker) but now you just go straight to you don't believe her. That's fine, but it is light years away from your original statement.

103 "and then was forced to backtrack on his disgraceful slur." This is where the Cain-hate becomes unhinged. A slur is a deliberate falsehood or insult. This was an "inaccurate charge." There was a lot of circumstantial evidence against Anderson, they made the charge, prematurely, but they clearly believed they had identified the culprit. An inaccurate, premature charge is bad enough--why call it a "slur?" A real slur is something like "CainCoon," as a commenter wrote here the other day.

104 This 'presser' thing you speak of, what does it entail?  Is a cable involved somehow?

105

Its really annoying and regrettable that such a gruesome candidates flame-out is getting all the attention, when we really need to focus on Obama, F&F and stuff. 

106

>>>Saw in the sidebar that Bill Bennett is described as a "Johnny-Come -Lately Conservative." Seriously?

 

 

Get your head in the game.  Scroll down the page and look at Ace's post on Rush. Rush claimed that only the young new conservatives are jumping off the Cain ship or taking these allegations seriously.

Ace is making light of that by pointing out that Brit Hume, Bill Bennett and others are apparently  Johnny-come-lately conservatives by Rush's standard.

 

107 Comedy gold. FYI, we knew your "base" was a collection of rubes, malcontents and robots but we didn't realize it was this bad. You have people in your midst who know these allegations are false because . . . wait for it . . . they're being reported by the liberal media. Think about that for a second. How insane is that? Shit, even our people -- who literally are deranged, by the way -- are not that bad. When the Edwards story broke, for example, they didn't deny it merely on account of Fox News reporting it. Anyways, for decades we've duped your idiot blocs into not voting with late hits, bogus polls and like items. We've floated stories about your candidates' wives getting abortions or about their kids being on drugs, etc. Your "base" is so stupid not only have they fallen for it but they've fallen for it every election cycle. Of course our shining moment was the DUI thing with Bush. Do you realize somewhere around 4 million of your rube-bots stayed home and didn't vote because of that? If we had had a little more time to gin up false ballots in Florida, and disqualify more military ballots, we would have pulled that one off. Here's the crazy part about this Cain trainwreck: we're not behind it. Seriously. He's not a Democrat plant. Turns out your robot rubes not only are doing our dirty work for us they're doing all of our work for us. This is like Sharron Angle, Ken Buck or Christine O'Donnell amped up to 11. In any event, stay classy conservatives. Stay true and pure. Don't let the media boss you around. LOL. Cain's your man. ROTFLOL. See you at Barack's 2nd inauguration. Heh.

108 60 He's acting like he's guilty, which is the main problem to me. Posted by: Boone at November 08, 2011 08:28 AM (Jl3Mu) Wow, that's great. Quite a threshold of guilt you have there.

109

Posted by: Opinionator at November 08, 2011 08:42 AM (H14Av)

it's a mock of folks who aren't in agreement w/ ace

frankly I see the folks who disagree w/ ace devided into 2 parts:

1. the folks who think cain is 100% innocent and think ace is jumping on the story too quick

2. the folks like me who aren't Cains fans and not sure if he's innnocent or guilty but are sick and tired of this constant posting over 1 story while ace (in my mind and others') roots on for the possibility Cain is guilty.

110

Get your head in the game.  Scroll down the page and look at Ace's post on Rush. Rush claimed that only the young new conservatives are jumping off the Cain ship or taking these allegations seriously.

Ace is making light of that by pointing out that Brit Hume, Bill Bennett and others are apparently  Johnny-come-lately conservatives by Rush's standard.

 

Posted by: Ben at November 08, 2011 08:45 AM (wuv1c)

hmm, I thought it was a mock to folks who disagree w/ ace. I forgot about the Rush thing for a sec there, okay then ignore comment 110

111 This is becoming all encompassing and at some point it has to end or Cain has to go. The only thing that matters is beating obama.

112 I love Herman Cain threads! Especially where we discuss the specifics of the charges!

113 Which of the following fiscal policy combinations has the federal government most often followed to stimulate economic activity when the economy is in a severe recession? Your Answer: increasing both taxes and spending Correct Answer: decreasing taxes and increasing spending

This is the only one that I missed. I was thrown off my "most often"

 

114 Look FAST AND FURIOUS...

Media template 129 (aka shield Obama/Holder gun grabs) activate

1.MFM- Cain accusations intensify..........blah blah blah
2. Conservative blogs...eat their own
3. All other news stories smothered
4. Success..watch and laugh at conservatives cover our tracks and destroy themselves

115 I didn't think it was possible, but it is clear that Ace has become a troll on his own blog.

116

This is where the Cain-hate becomes unhinged. A slur is a deliberate falsehood or insult. This was an "inaccurate charge." There was a lot of circumstantial evidence against Anderson, they made the charge, prematurely, but they clearly believed they had identified the culprit.

It's not Cain hate. Dear god if we think a candidate is awful and flawed it isn't motivated by some irrational hatred. It's because we've judged him based on his ideas and history and found him wanting.

Andy at the H2 pointed this out. Most of us have had this arc with Cain.

 

Didn't know him< Kinda like him< Willing to listen to his ideas< Anaylzing his 9-9-9 tax plan< seeing him play the race card on Perry<Watching all the sexual assaults come out of the woodwork< really not liking this guy.

 

You seem to think we're skipping all the middle parts. His 9-9-9 plan is awful. He's a bumbling fool at times. He played the race card against Perry when he thought it played to his advantage. He doesn't even show up in Iowa or other primary states. Many of his campaign appearences are book signings. He's soft of the abortion and supports state's rights to violate the second amendment. We're finding out that he probably has a very unsavory past when it comes to women.

Hatred is often irrational. Our dislike, or should I say my dislike of Cain is based on a fairly thorough evaluation of his as a man and a candidate.

 

117 Bialek is a liar. She says she went to "confront" Cain at a Tea Party event and he looked uncomfortable. Of course, there are lots of people at a Tea Party event. And someone actually saw Bialek meet Cain. http://alturl.com/4x4h8 Interesting photo along with the story. Not sure when it was from. But, hey she could be telling the truth about the other stuff. But as I said yesterday - the specifics that are helpful are not provable. The specifics that are provable are not helpful. Does he have to say, no, I did not touch here, I did not touch her there, I did not touch her anywhere? I strongly suspect that the story of her going to DC to meet Cain to try to get her job back (she had been fired after 6 months on the job) is true in that she went there and went to dinner with him. This is provable that it happened, not provable in the negative. The events in the car are not provable either way. She says she told her boyfriend but not the details. BF sounds like a shithead - if my girlfriend said some guy I had sent her to see about a job was inappropriate with her I would get the details and if it was a grope and head grab, I would definitely confront him. But hey, that's just me. At any rate, Cain has met this woman. There is a picture of them arm in arm (not sure when that is from, likely whatever event the after party was about in 97). So he has touched her, he can't say he never touched her. But if it is true that they went to dinner to talk about a job, well, that in itself looks bad enough. That may just be the way he does business, which is kind of what he has hinted at, I am a friendly guy, engage in a lot of banter. I am not saying that this is a disqualification for President, but the Left has him by the short hairs. This was well planned. First the anonymous hits, then this woman says, I am giving voice to the anonymous with my unprovable story. And non-supporters of Cain say, look, they did not spin this well. Not ready for primetime. Well, here we are. Go Romney. Yay.

118 I didn't think it was possible, but it is clear that Ace has become a troll on his own blog.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 08, 2011 08:49 AM (PYxvn)

you didnt think that was possible?!

119 Just a thought. We don't know the facts. That's a given. But what if Cain's version of the facts is that his accuser, after several adult beverages before and during a nice dinner, came on to him. In the car. And when he tried to politely tell her no, she didn't take the rejection well. In other words he tried to help her with a job counseling, but she flipped out on him when he rejected her. Would folks here that currently give her the benefit of the doubt continue to do so? If so, why? Or, what if he says, I upgraded her room -- the NRA has a deal with the hotel. We had drinks and we had dinner, but nothing happened. Zero. Would folks here that currently give her the benefit of the doubt continue to do so? Why? Discuss among yourselves....

120 that first paragraph in my last comment was someone elses that i was responding too, i forgot to put it in italics

121 Witness: Cain accuser hugged him during Tea Party meeting a month ago - Chicago Sun-Times:

http://tinyurl.com/c6lqwcj

122 80 I dunno naive one.  Every lawyer I've heard say anything about it says that it's common practice to just pay out.  So yeah. Posted by: GMan agreed.. It's called Write 'Em A Check & Tell 'Em To Go Hell ------------------------------ Yeah........ummmmm..........I see how well that strategy has panned out for Cain.

123 Here we go again. Any evidence he has done anything wrong? Any at all? Nope.

Actually, there is a little evident in the public view: the testimony of Allred's client.

The question is, how credible is that testimony? The crux of the matter is what happened, or didn't happen, in the car when they were alone together - assuming they ever were alone together.

I had a lot of problems with Cain before all this blew up: his studied ignorance of certain areas, his willingness to play the race card, his making unsubstantiated accusations against people in the Perry campaign, his endorsement of a national sales tax (which I think would be a catastrophe).

What really bothers me about this is that it gets the JEF off the front page: instead of people talking about the deficit increasing by $1 million every 20 seconds, or his mad dash for the exits from Iraq, or his eagerness to handcuff the nation and had it to his cronies in Big Labor and Big Capital, we're obsessed with whether or not some guy put his hand up some woman's skirt 15 years ago. If I were into conspiracy theories, I'd say that this may be the real goal of the MFM's campaign: they don't care about Cain so much as they want a smokescreen for the JEF.

124 that first paragraph in my last comment was someone elses that i was responding too, i forgot to put it in italics

Posted by: Ben at November 08, 2011 08:51 AM (wuv1c)

so you broke a blog rule and don't expect to deal with the consequences? that's a big red light for me. RED. like your ass is going to be once i'm done with you.

125 103 83 - well, now we are at the crux of the matter. You asked why it didn't happen to the woman more often, (which we don't know it didn't, and let's face facts, I'd that were here history you would simply dismiss her as a whore or money seeker) but now you just go straight to you don't believe her. That's fine, but it is light years away from your original statement.

Posted by: Boone at November 08, 2011 08:44 AM (Jl3Mu)

No. It is not. One of the reasons I don't believe her is that her story doesn't make sense. It not only doesn't make sense as far as "here's what happened" but it also doesn't make sense in that most hot women are not shocked, stunned, etc by the come-on. It happens all the time. That's another reason I don't buy it because I would think she wouldn't even remember something like that from that long ago.

I never said men were incapable of not grabbing someone's crotch. Not all men anyway.

126

Posted by: The Robot Devil at November 08, 2011 08:52 AM (gdvYw)

what?!

127 they didn't deny it merely on account of Fox News reporting it. Posted by: David Axelrod at November 08, 2011 08:45 AM (rJVPU) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Really ? I guess that explains the pervasive use of the term "Faux News". Pretty sure every liberal on earth believes the exact opposite of any story on Fox.

128

I still don't understand what Cain has against Perry.  He was too quick and vicious with the racist rock thing.  Since then, he's slandered Perry at opportunity.  Something doesn't add up.  I haven't seen Perry attack Cain like this at all.  It seems totally out of character that Cain otherwise tries to portray.  From this perspective, I've thought he was working with Romney. 

Speaking of Romney, I noticed that he refused to do the "center seat" thing on Brett Beir's show. 

129

This is the only one that I missed. I was thrown off my "most often"

  Posted by: dagny at November 08, 2011 08:48 AM

I missed two questions, but not this one.

I guess that proves Cain is guilty of heinous crimes, right?

The real scandal of that quiz is the politicians' scores. Not surprising, though.

130 Gee I don't know if there are enough hours in the day for all the shit that will be going on today 1) Cain Presser 2) Joe Peterno presser 3) Holder before congress and reportedly will blame congress for not supporting the ATF 4) Sarkozy calls Netanyahu a liar and obama agrees 5) Election day

131 This is the only one that I missed. I was thrown off my "most often"

Yeah, I had to use both hands to get the mouse to click on the actual correct answer rather than the SCOAMF answer.

132 Witness: Cain accuser hugged him during Tea Party meeting a month ago - Chicago Sun-Times:

http://tinyurl.com/c6lqwcj

Posted by: The Robot Devil at November 08, 2011 08:52 AM (gdvYw)

Rut...roh!

133 I tend to believe Cain. The most impressive evidence is the appearance of Gloria AllRed, whose familiar would surely drag her directly to hell if she ever told the truth.

134 none-Cain post is up!

135

Guys, it's not Ace's fault that there are not great conservatives in the race.

What do you want him to do. Ignore what's going on with Cain, as if he ignores it then it will go away?

I'm amazed that there are so many people passionately committed to Cain right now. I seem to recall his poll numbers being in the 5-6 range just a month and a half ago. It's almost as though you're conservatives who jump to whatever candidate seems like he can beat Romney and then defend that candidate well beyond the point of which they are a viable candidate. (not everyone obviously but a select group)  I understand the desire to be loyal, but this is a primary. It's a process where we weed out the weak candidates.  Cain is a weak candidate.

It's not some odd coincidence that almost every not-Romney candidate has led in the polls.

I can relate. I do not want Romney to win, however I will admit when a candidate is so badly damaged that it's pointless to remain loyal to them.

And for those of your who want Cain to replace Palin, at least Palin is conservative on most issues. Cain isn't.  He's not a substitute for Palin.

 

136 132 This is the only one that I missed. I was thrown off my "most often"

Yeah, I had to use both hands to get the mouse to click on the actual correct answer rather than the SCOAMF answer.

Posted by: Retread at November 08, 2011 08:55 AM (nVqTv)

I figured that they fucked up "most often" not that they did the right thing.

137 The more said, the more feet getting shot.

“I’ve been in business. I’ve had females working for me. I know the sensitivity. I know that any irate woman can totally destroy a man, just like that.” He notes that the allegations against Cain have concerned verbal statements, not physical actions. “A woman can always say no, you know? So suck it up and quit being a crybaby.” Dick Pipho, a Cain volunteer, Iowa.

Only verbal, no actions? The married Cain took another woman to his corporate apartment at night. That of itself is inappropriate. It doesn't matter what qualification of sex happened behind closed doors. This is BEAMER Cain using "because I could" as CEO, that being his pitch for the Presidency of the United States.

That said, enough already. I know in our little corner of the intertubes we don't have the power to shape the MFM narrative, but there's a lot more going on than Herman Cain following his dick around.

138 @ 131
Gee I don't know if there are enough hours in the day for all the shit that will be going on today
1) Cain Presser
2) Cain Presser
3) Joe Peterno presser
4) Cain accusations
5) Holder before congress and reportedly will blame congress for not supporting the ATF
6) Cain Presser
7) Joe Peterno presser
Sarkozy calls Netanyahu a liar and obama agrees
9) Rehash old Cain accusations
10) Cain Presser
11) Election day
Fixed it for ya, see a trend?

139

Ok, this all Cain all the time bullshit has turned my favorite online hangout into a sanitarium for little Charles Johnsons. I'll check back in a couple of months and see if the bloggers have regained a little perspective.

Out.

140

What do you want him to do. Ignore what's going on with Cain, as if he ignores it then it will go away?

as ive said constantly by beef is not w/ ace not being a Cain guy or him reporting Cain's horrible crisis managment, but that he comes off to me as if he's rooting for all this to be true

141 I would also like to know why the accuser was fired from the NRA. What did she do? I am not a Cain supporter. I haven't decided yet. But the media branch of the Left Intellectual Elite is sure making him look better.

142 I am utterly amazed at how easily people on the Right will give the fucking Main Stream Media the benefit of the doubt when subjected to sheer repetitive force. It's almost Pavlovian. It makes Charlie Brown's trust of Lucy's offer to hold the football seem ... reasonable. Goebbells was right- a lie told often enough will indeed become the "truth" for mind numbed cattle.

But but but- there were charges on file from the 90's! True, but how many?

But but but there are soooo many accusations coming out of the wood work! That must make this all truuuuue!!! Yeah. That's amazing isn't it?

A cluster of "random" accusations perfectly timed on the heels of the failed Politico attempt to bring Cain down. Why, it's almost as if this entire thing has been orchestrated around....(what one documented charge from the 90's that we know about? Maybe?) and the rest just keep coming. It has the sort of feel of an.... oh I dunno.... an Astroturfed event. But NAH, that couldn't be. Oh and now we find that Sharon Ball-lick was flirting with Cain backstage at a recent appearance and actually hugged him. Poor thing must still be in shock after that scary encounter with Cain's man-sausage 15 years ago. - it's amazing what Rahm can orchestrate by dragging a $100 bill through a Chicago suburb trailer park- ain't it? Now remember- she's unemployed- but she's NOT in this for any sort of gain. No sir. No way..........

143 Posted by: The Robot Devil at November 08, 2011 08:52 AM (gdvYw)


red rum

144

I just saw the woman interviewed on ABC. She is very credible imo.

Well spoken and seems honest.

When asked if she thought Cain was qualified to be President she said...not until he tells the truth.

 

145 My record on jobs is impeccable.

And I am not a witch, - I'm you.

146

Ugh, now it's Gabe's turn.

At least he's gentle.

147

I just saw the woman interviewed on ABC. She is very credible imo.

did she talk about hugging Cain at a Tea Party rally?

148 "

But she said Tuesday that she's not after money, despite a bankruptcy stemming from bills related to her late mother's medical bills.

"And I could have actually sold my story, but I didn't because .... my whole objective is to tell the truth and also help other people out there who may have been in similar situations."

Bialek's fiance, Mark Harwood, backed her up in an interview with CNN affiliate WGN-TV.

"This isn't for fun. You don't go on a political stage and make these kinds of press conferences unless you really stand by your convictions," he said. "There was no money motive to this. She's got the same political interests as Herman Cain in terms of party, so it wasn't like there was opposing political gain here at all."

149 Yesterday at NRO there was an article by Fred Thompson-who I supported last time. He was writing about Cain, and said something similar happened duringnhis campaign. After he dropped out his people traced the slurs to find out where they started. they began with an opposition research company employed by Romney. Shockingly most of the comments on the piece tore into Fred for dissing Romney! Our side seems to be truly unable to look at facts, rather than trying to learn things. I am for Perry, but have said from the beginning not to jump to conclusions. My own father was sued for sexual harassment, so I know something about this. Unfortunately, I am now feeling that if I defend Cain, it would signify that I support him for president. I don't, except as second or third choice, but everything has gotten so muddled. The real concern, however, is that we, collectively, are now ignoring the huge other stories. Is Cain more important than the WH ignoring Solyndra? Or fast &furious? Real things are happening now, and we are caught up in things that happened 20years ago. That is crazy.

150

All Cain, all the time.  Its almost like there is nothing else going on in the world.

I would expect the MSM to pull this distraction tactic so that SCOAMF can slide by, but didn't expect it from one of our own.

Man have you been played. 

151 136 What do you want him to do. Ignore what's going on with Cain, as if he ignores it then it will go away? Posted by: Ben at November 08, 2011 08:58 AM (wuv1c) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hhhmmm.... Maybe spare us the breathless coverage and manifesto-length posts about it ?

152 The Cain story is simple:  if true, well, he used to hit on women at work.  So take that as part of his past.  All these allegations stem from a decade or so ago.

If you accept that about him - he used to be piggy, but has since gotten it together and seems to have his marriage intact, then it really doesn't have much to do with whether his policies for the country are a good bet.

I'm not impressed with his handling of the allegations, but he isn't my first choice candidate anyway.

And compared to the crap in Obama's background, Cain being a former womanizer isn't nearly as worrisome as Rev. Wright, Ayers, etc etc etc

153 You can always predict which group of panty-waist RINO's will be the first to turn on a person from the Right when the Media stirs up a shit-storm. It always begins with The Tearful Twat Twins: Allahpundit and Ace. I swear, these two hand-wringers must share in a mutual panic-fest over several rounds of cosmopolitans at the same Manhattan bar on a daily basis.

Fuckin East Coast rino pussies. Nothing like whiny-ass traitors engaging in friendly fire. Really strengthens the cause- doesn't it?

154 When asked if she thought Cain was qualified to be President she said...not until he tells the truth.

Well then....no politician is qualified, including the current occupant.

155 102 #99

Lol at the thought that Romney is center right.

Be assured the Party will not let him drift off course, the voice of the Tea Party and the conservative wing is far to loud to be ignored. Mitt and his team are political animals that know when to listen. We have seen the proof of that over the years.

Fear not, Mitt will stay RIGHT of center.

This is going to be an ABO election. The only way the Republicans lose it is by allowing the Dems to divide and conquer and allow the Republicans to defeat themsleves.

Or encourage a thid party run. http://www.americanselect.org/

156 Burden of proof is on the accuser? Ha ha, what planet are you folks posting from? Tell you what, you can't have Cain but I could release Barabbas if that'll make you feel better.

157 So, how many Cain supporters would have let Michael Jackson watch their kids? There was no proof he did anything wrong and the ones he did pay off would have been to save money from a lawsuit. Same thing guys, don't be hypocrites. Cain is not able

158 157 Burden of proof is on the accuser? Ha ha, what planet are you folks posting from?

Posted by: Satan -- The Original and Greatest Accuser at November 08, 2011 09:12 AM (qndXR)


Yes. It's almost as if a person is suppose to be innocent until proven guilty... BWAHHAAAHAAA

Fools!

159 Who paid for Bialek's train ticket? See the Mann Act. See also Client Number 9. Just asking. Remind me again how many women are accusing TheeRomney of sexual harassment?

160

So, how many Cain supporters would have let Michael Jackson watch their kids?

was I hugging Jackson at a concert of his?

161 One accuser - "he said, she said"

Two accusers - "he said, she said"

Four????

162 >>>did she talk about hugging Cain at a Tea Party rally?

Honestly, LMendez, the people who are gratefully seizing upon this detail as "damning" don't seem to realize that it proves and even suggests nothing.  You know what probably happened?  Cain saw her, recognized her, and reflexively gave her a hug.  THEN she said to him "hey, you remember what you did to me?"  Then it got awkward.

I love how people are assuming that this is somehow evidence that she's just a lying whore who fabricated everything.  Um...no.  It doesn't even tilt the playing field one way or another.

Hey, you know what?  It's possible she's making all this up.  That's it's all lies and she's just a nutty slutty psychopath.  But it will be easy enough to confirm.  The hotel records will really indicate a lot.  Can we all agree that if indeed her room was upgraded to a posh suite by Cain, then that strongly militates toward his guilt?  Or can people suggest a DIFFERENT reason why Cain would be buying a woman who was not his wife (and whom he didn't even really know) a pricey room?

163 155 When asked if she thought Cain was qualified to be President she said...not until he tells the truth.

Well then....no politician is qualified, including the current occupant.

Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2011 09:11 AM (X6akg)

Last night the news reported on an additional woman and she said almost exactly the same thing about "mr. cain not being president until he tells the truth".   Sort of sounding like a script?  talking points?

164

@152

Posted by: Mister Money at November 08, 2011 09:11 AM (wN82N)

The self-delusion is strong with this one.

165 158 So, how many Cain supporters would have let Michael Jackson watch their kids?
There was no proof he did anything wrong and the ones he did pay off would have been to save money from a lawsuit.
Same thing guys, don't be hypocrites.

Cain is not able

Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 08, 2011 09:13 AM (9IFxO)

Yeah, except for the fact that Jackson was the embodiment of whacko-chock-full-o-nuts-child-molesting crazy. Let's see, Jackson's appearance, his mannerisms, his well documented lifestyle over several decades, oh and- oh yes- his own fucking statements about sleeping with little boys.

Great comparison fuck-stick. Do you wear a helmet in the bathroom?

166 Remember that Gloria Allred is the Democrats hired gun and derailed Meg Whitman with the weeping illegal maid.
Bernard McGurk calls Gloria the "Parasitic Hag".

167 Beck and Stew are hysterically funny this morning.  They are talking about Cain's incident.

168

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 09:17 AM (hIWe1)

I grudingly agree that i'm not 100% sure he is innocent. my issue is more w/ ace and you to be frank rooting on for him to be guilty. I dont see 100% evidence he is liying and I dont see 100% chance he is innocent either. But im coming from the perspective im worried and troubled by the possibily (along w/ his bad handling of the crisis), a lot of other fewllow anti-Cain folks are rooting for him to be guilty and i'm sick of it.

169 162 One accuser - "he said, she said"

Two accusers - "he said, she said"

Four????

Posted by: JEA at November 08, 2011 09:17 AM (WujO7)

Yes. That wuld be impossible to orchestrate. Impossible I tell you.

*that reminds me- i've got a meeting with acorn and seiu at 10:00*

170  I think there's no traction on this story among conservatives and there wont be for a few simple reasons.

 1: Everyone knew this was coming the second Cain became the front runner. Its what the establishment does to upstarts, particularly conservative upstarts. so when it happened, we all went "AHA ! I knew they'd try this weak assed crap. how lame. "

2: Clinton's accusers were ten times more credible, and no one cared. Precedent set.

3: Jobs Jobs Jobs. Thats what we care about. We'll take a complete a-hole with a plan. Nothing else matters. Its too late in the game to start dilly dallying with tabloid nonsense. Tea partiers dont watch reality TV, we dont keep up with the Kardashians. We're deadly serious. The media is not.  Allred is the final straw. The time for those idiot clown shows is over. because Tea partiers understand, the media IS the enemy. The democrats are just a subsidiary. to win, really win, the media must be destroyed. 

  the Ancient Maxim: "Rome will tolerate a wicked emperor, but never an incompetent one" 

171

ugh Curious

GO THE FUCK AWAY

im done, out of this post, have no time for this troll

172

Welp, watching the HQ go into MFM territory with the majority of its time, focus, and energy going toward one (1) subject that is JUST FUCKING SPECULATION while other, more serious stuff is going on is beyond irritating.

I could go watch CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, or FOX for that noise.

Time to take a breather from this otherwise fine blog until it gets away from crucifying our candidates while the left continues crucifying America.

173 LMendez: Now I'm reading the allegations of this supposed "hug" and it's totally consistent with her story.  The "witness" says that she was "hell bent" on going backstage to talk with him, and that they shared a CURSORY hug before she began talking his ear off.

Um...what in this account is even remotely inconsistent with her allegations?  What was she supposed to do, serve him with a TRO?  Kick him in the balls?

174

I like Cain, But I support Mittens.

Process of elimination. Perry cannot debate. Perry will sink us.

Gingrich is great at the debate, but his baggage will give too much ammunition to the David Gregory/ Matt Lauer pro-dem cabal etc..

The rest of the field - Bachman etc.. un-electable. 2 cents.

175 This is ridiculous, sorry.  Gabe makes an encyclopedic post based on one caller to Rush and that somehow proves....WTH does it prove?  And can anyone around here write an article that isn't War and Peace?

176 166. The only helmet I use is the little one on my dick when I'm with your mom Anyway, there you go.... Assuming he was a perv although according to a couple of trials there was no Proof!! Did he do it or not, who cares...he's done like a burned meat lovers

177 I find Cain's treatment of this troubling as well, but I can't help sympathize with those who feel the Media is going to report ANYTHING that hurts Republicans/Conservatives, while ignoring as long as possible (Weiner's photos, Gore's chakras) anything that casts aspersions on their boys. 

It's not a deal breaker for me if Cain is the nominee, but it is troubling and there will be way, way more of it from the Media.  Expect lots and lots.

178

I like it when Rush doens't push any particular candidate.

He doesn't need to.

179 I'm just amazed that so many people on the "Right" instantly bought into Sharon (and share alike) Ball-licks story within seconds, instead of waiting at LEAST 24 hours to find out more about her and her fucking background.

But of course- a Chicagoan represented by Leftard political hack Gloria Allred certainly isn't cause for suspicion right? Nah. Let's just take her story on face value- shall we? Yeah. Let's do that.

180 A very small % of women ever come forward with allegations against someone high ranking.

Posted by: ReadyorNot at November 08, 2011 08:07 AM (wHeXl)

If they never come forward, then how is it it possible to determine that it is a very small percentage that do come forward?

181 42

So Gabe,

Are you gonna go full on Drama Queen and say, "Rush attacked me", like Ace has?

Overwrought just doesn't begin to decribe how you folks are behaving. If you don't like Cain because he says stupid shit (and he does), just leave it at that. But you are reveling in his personal destruction. Who needs liberals when we eat our own?

 

 

 

^^^this^^^.  Couldn't have said it better myself.  Going back to the mid-terms last year.  I know that Christine O'donnell is a psycho, but let the liberals spew that.  I don't want to see Baby Huey Karl Rove on the TV doing it for us and giving the MSM any ammo.  The same goes for Cain.  We need to shut the fuck up and stop eating our own!

182

If Cain gets the nomination, a huge push from the LSM will be his health. 

That will be hard to fight.  I do not know much about it except that he had colon cancer that went to his liver.  I wish that would get aired now, because it sure does not seem like his campaign learns quickly.   Does the campaign have all the info it needs about his condition?  Does the opposition?  Remember Paul Tsongas?

I was listening to local radio yesterday and one of the sponsors of the Newt-Cain discussion said that as Cain was leaving the stage, a reporter shouted out something about the allegations.  Instead of letting the media person respond, Cain apparently could not help himself and responded.  This then became a "legitimate" media distraction from the event.  The sponsor said that afterward he told the candidate not to "take their bait." 

This is the problem I see with Cain's campaign.  It seems too slow to learn not to "take the bait."   It does not seem to be able to reasonably foresee what the next bait might be, and, worse, just fumbles an off-the-cuff response.  Very easily manipulated.

This seems to be less a lack of "political" experience and more of a lack of professional discipline.    The persecution from the media is helping Mr. Cain - and I understand that appeal to rally around the perceived underdog/unfairly persecuted hero. 

 But if his undisciplined approach continues, it does not bode well for the GOP in the general, and sure as hell does not bode well for a Cain administration. 

I wish it weren't so.  I am a Texan and have been pretty happy with Perry as gov, with the exception of the Gardisil weirdness and the ongoing immigration mess.  I was a Perry supporter until the "heartless" comment.  

So instead of explaining that the states had been hamstrung by the feds and were trying to make the best of a bad situation, he attacks the character of those with reasonable opposing views???  No.

So I started pulling for Cain.  And now this.  Once again, it is the response - with the bizarre and seemingly baseless attack on the Perry campaign that has turned me off - so far.

 

What the hell is wrong with these people?

 

 

 

 

 

183

I don't understand the highly delusional meme here that the media want to destroy Herman Cain. If Herman Cain were the nominee he would easily lose in a landslide to Obama after people found out that he has even less of a fucking clue about what he's talking about than Obama. So if anything, the media would want to prop him up.

184 'Member how all deem black folks believed fervently that the man was sticking it to OJ?

185 177 166. The only helmet I use is the little one on my dick when I'm with your mom

Anyway, there you go.... Assuming he was a perv although according to a couple of trials there was no Proof!!

Did he do it or not, who cares...he's done like a burned meat lovers

Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 08, 2011 09:28 AM (9IFxO)

Well cluster-fuck-of-stupid, let me repeat this again: Jackson's own well documented appearance, behavior, and statements gave plenty of credence to the suspicions that he like little boys. Mainly because he admitted: HE LIKED TO SLEEP WITH LITTLE BOYS. Oh and, he looked like a fucking zombie drag-queen.  Is all this sinking in yet, slow-stain?

186 "The latest cast off from dancing with the stars, herman cain, is here with us tonight". 

the herman cain jokes in the beginning are very funny.  He's the second guest.

187 As to the hotel room upgrade, I'd like to know if Cain (as head of a major hospitality industry lobby) just made a call to the Hilton Manager and asked for a standard upgrade for people in town doing business w/the NRA, or if Herman actually whipped out his own plastic. Neither is proof of anything, but if he was spending his own cash to upgrade the room of a blonde hottie that he'd only met once before, then that is sketchy. I wouldn't try to justify it to my wife, that's for sure.

188 Posted by: Navycopjoe at November 08, 2011 09:13 AM (9IFxO)


Is stupid your hobby, or full time genetic disorder?

189 I think I wrote an opinion piece with all this analysis in it last night and it's sitting in draft.

190 "Um...what in this account is even remotely inconsistent with her allegations? What was she supposed to do, serve him with a TRO? Kick him in the balls?

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 09:25 AM (hIWe1) "

 

Most victims of sexual harrassment are not going out of their way to meet their harrasser's and share a hug and private conversation.  Moron. 

Here's your sign. 

191

So Gabe,

Are you gonna go full on Drama Queen and say, "Rush attacked me", like Ace has?

Overwrought just doesn't begin to decribe how you folks are behaving. If you don't like Cain because he says stupid shit (and he does), just leave it at that. But you are reveling in his personal destruction. Who needs liberals when we eat our own?

 

^^^this^^^.  Couldn't have said it better myself.  Going back to the mid-terms last year.  I know that Christine O'donnell is a psycho, but let the liberals spew that.  I don't want to see Baby Huey Karl Rove on the TV doing it for us and giving the MSM any ammo.  The same goes for Cain.  We need to shut the fuck up and stop eating our own!

plus ten for the above. People like Rove love to crow about being "right " about O Donnell, but never take any of the blame for causing her to lose, she had a chance till Karl opened his big fat mouth. I think tea party conservatives are beginning to realize that the establishment they are fighting includes a lot of people that are nominally "on their side" We're being to see left right as the sham it is. the true battle is the insiders vs the outsiders, and I think we're seeing where Ace and co stand, with the status quo, business as usual crowd. I hope i am wrong, but.....

192

Posted by: Chicago Rahm at November 08, 2011 09:21 AM (D0Svx)

 

exactly, there are just making accusations w/o any shred of proof!! oh, wait.....

193

Posted by: learflyer at November 08, 2011 09:29 AM (9vscO)

 

we also cant nominate a dipshit who doesnt know china has nukes, has never heard of neocons and has been accused by 4 women of sexual harassment. how we gonna convince the disinterested voter to jump on our bandwagon this time? we could try to tell them that all that doesnt matter or we can vote for a guy w/o that kinda crappy baggage.  oh, and someone who didnt support TARP!

194 Cain's statements so far have been those of a man who is guilty and is parsing his words in anticipation of further disclosures.  It will be interesting to see whether he musters a full-throated, detailed denial at his presser.

195

"Limbaugh's caller has a rock-solid conviction that the accusations are false, even though she has very little objective evidence with which to evaluate their accuracy."

Wow...it's almost like there's some underlying presumption of innocence, and the burden of proof is on the accuser.  What a foreign concept in these parts of late.

196 wow, so stew thinks that newt is the mccain of this election.

ooo ouch....

197

The Cainiacs who always like to go on and on about Cains business experience and that he - unlike many politicians - had a real job, now come out and defend Christine O'Donnel again? The walking disaster who sucked at the teat of the Republican Party in the swamp of advocacy groups basicly since she got out of college?

Whoa! Just whoa guys.

198 Good analysis of the situation, Gabe.  You're spot on about people looking for proxies when the waters get muddied.  I'd also add that I think many of us also start drawing on our own experiences or biases about the underlying complaint - sexual harassment - when the allegations are muddied.  Some folks clearly do not think there is such a thing; others of us know there is.  So the standard for what would register as a believable allegation is widely varied. 

I do not think Cain intended to be a serious candidate and I rejected his candidacy quite a while ago on his qualifications (or lack thereof) and temperament, so I would like the whole thing to go away as it's really sucking the air out of the news cycle and that only helps one candidate. 

199 So the Paul supporters are paulbots and the roney supporters are romneybots and the cain supporters are caniacs.....(not very flattering, rhymes with maniacs)

so how do you affectionately refer to the santoreum supporters and the bachman supporters and the huntsman supporters and the perry supporters and the gingrich supporters?

and, it seems, the palinistas are mentioned in everything.

200

so how do you affectionately refer to the santoreum supporters and the bachman supporters and the huntsman supporters and the perry supporters and the gingrich supporters?

Posted by: surprised at November 08, 2011 09:51 AM (k1rwm)

The Huntsman family.

201 I am so sick of AOL (I know....I know) throwing all my Rick Perry e-mails into spam even though I've told them 'This is not spam'.   Do they seriously think that will change my mind?  

202 Hey! Remember how blacks all, and I mean all, knew OJ was not guilty, no matter what?

203 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

204 I don't know about Herman Cain yet, and in fact I don't have to.
But that whole "Once Upon a Time" yesterday was laughable.
Where did they find that fucking nut?

One thing for sure, if he ever did successfully proposition that woman in a hotel room and closed his eyes for the night, I'd really question his judgement.  

205 AOSHQ:Now with 100% more Herman Cain content!!

206 I dont know if this has been mentioned earlier here, but apparently Cain's accuser was mighty chummy with him at a tea party function a month ago. http://tinyurl.com/7drf4p5 I'm not a Cain supporter but this whole thing reeks.

207

"I am so sick of AOL "

AOL is still around? Hell, I thought they bellied up ages ago, like two years or so.

208 I guess my question would be - Why should we question what the MBM says, except when it relates to accusations against Herman Cain, in which case it is obscurantist to question the MBM?

209 Bialeks on fox news with All-red with her tits hanging out. you'd think that all-red would've prepped her better.

210 >>>Most victims of sexual harrassment are not going out of their way to meet their harrasser's and share a hug and private conversation.  Moron.

Oh really?  What if their harasser is running for President of the United States?  Might that change the calculus for "going out of their way to confront someone?"  By her own account yesterday afternoon she said she went to confront Cain about this at the TeaCon.  So it's not as if there's any inconsistency in that respect.  As for this supposed damning "hug," again: it seems quite likely that this was Cain's reflex response to seeing someone he recognized.  "Oh, Sharon!" [hug]  Then she stops him dead in his tracks by quietly talking to him about what he did all those years ago.

Look, we don't know either way.  But my proposed narrative is a hundred times more plausible than yours; the only criteria you seem to be working on is "Cain must be innocent and this woman must be a liar, therefore all facts will be interpreted uniformly to fit that Procrustean bed."  But that's the logic of fools.

211

Posted by: 1/1027th of a Janitor at November 08, 2011 10:04 AM (tazG1)

 

maybe she was warning him that she was gonna come forward if he didnt drop out of the race? just because she didnt approach him in a hostile confrontational manner doesnt mean she wasnt threatening him w/ exposure.

212

@ 206 AOSHQ:Now with 100% more Herman Cain content!!

100% of your DRV of irony.

213 Bialeks got the big boobies.

214 >>>Bialeks on fox news with All-red with her tits hanging out. you'd think that all-red would've prepped her better.

Yeah, she's probably just a lying whoreslut.  Why I bet she's just cruising for cock on Fox right now, what with wearing an outfit that trashy.

Seriously, are you taking cues from curious?

215 Alred makes a good point. She went after Weiner almost as vigorously as ace.

216

maybe she was warning him that she was gonna come forward if he didnt drop out of the race? just because she didnt approach him in a hostile confrontational manner doesnt mean she wasnt threatening him w/ exposure.

Posted by: chas at November 08, 2011 10:07 AM (TKF1Y)

wouldn't that be black mail?

217 It would be nice if those that are just sure that Cain is guilty (and really dislike him, only incidentally, I'm sure) would respect the fact that yes, conservatives deservedly don't trust the MFM , and some of us don't think this is a slam dunk case of guilt. No need for insults or questioning the intelligence/savvy of people who don't hold the same opinion as you. Especially since none of us actually KNOWS for a fact what happened. I'm not saying this about everyone (or even most) that suspects he is guilty. It's just that some people have been real d*cks about this.

218 @212 Maybe, but that's an awful lot of benefit of the doubt which I am quite frankly not willing to give her. Just a gut call, I guess. If this guy is the serial rapist he is being made out to be there ought to be plenty of unambiguous, conclusive proof. Should be easy, right? This Bialek crap ain't it. On the other hand, if he hits on woman and flirts with them a lot, so be it. That's not disqualifying to my mind. So don't try and convince me that is somehow analogous to rape.

219

Posted by: surprised at November 08, 2011 10:12 AM (k1rwm)

 

is it blackmail if your looking for a job and a guy says he'll get you one if you put out? but seriously, not if she wasnt looking for a payoff and then i think its technically extortion.

220 @218 It would be nice if those that are just sure that Cain is guilty (and really dislike him, only incidentally, I'm sure) would respect the fact that yes, conservatives deservedly don't trust the MFM , and some of us don't think this is a slam dunk case of guilt. No need for insults or questioning the intelligence/savvy of people who don't hold the same opinion as you. Especially since none of us actually KNOWS for a fact what happened.

Yes but, as Jeff B. can surely attest, insults are a lot easier than actually thinking about the facts.

221 I'm not saying this about everyone (or even most) that suspects he is guilty.

IMO, I believe he's at least guilty of being ignorant. Does this count in your world?

222

 1/1027th of a Janitor at November 08, 2011 10:14 AM (tazG1)

 

strawman much amigo??? serial rapist? where did that come from? even if he did all that he has been accused of it aint even close to rape! i dont know if this chick is telling the truth or not but cain has lied at least 5 times since this started. it was his first reflex so even if he is innocent he has very poor judgement and crisis skills and that disqualifies more than these incidents would.

223 216 Alred makes a good point. She went after Weiner almost as vigorously as ace He was hated by everyone deems and reps

224

is it blackmail if your looking for a job and a guy says he'll get you one if you put out? but seriously, not if she wasnt looking for a payoff and then i think its technically extortion.

Posted by: chas at November 08, 2011 10:14 AM (TKF1Y)

maybe listening to beck play her talking about if she's ever going to make money off of this is coloring my thinking.  beck also said ABC news is reporting that the woman is deeply in debt.

225 @157 Burden of proof is on the accuser? Ha ha, what planet are you folks posting from?

Innocent until proven guilty is in a court of law.   Here we're talking the court of public opinion, and the issue is not so much whether it's likely to have happened, but how it'll play in a general election. 

Romney is not a true conservative, and this might well end up a clothesspin election in the primary.   But we need to keep our sights on the goal - get the SCOAMF out of office.

226 By her own account yesterday afternoon she said she went to confront Cain about this at the TeaCon.  So it's not as if there's any inconsistency in that respect.  As for this supposed damning "hug," again: it seems quite likely that this was Cain's reflex response to seeing someone he recognized.  "Oh, Sharon!" [hug]  Then she stops him dead in his tracks by quietly talking to him about what he did all those years ago.

And then she takes a smiley pic with him.  Yeah, totally how I would act toward someone who did what she alleges he did to her....paleeeze.

You don't like Cain....Romney's your guy.  We get that....but c'mon....

227 @223 Dude, you are the one projecting fantasy: "maybe she was warning him that she was gonna come forward" Come forward about what? That he hit on her 14 years ago? Big fucking deal.

228 Jeff B. if you want credibility , you don't dress like a gold-digger. If she doesn't know that, Allred should.

229 Oh thank God there was a new Herman Cain post to wake up to.  I was concerned there wouldn't be.

Say, when do you guys go full Sullivan and start discussing Herman's ovaries and demanding access to the after birth?
 

230 So, Miss Bialek lives in the same building as Axelrod, huh?

231 The Daily Names The Cain Accuser, And She Works In The Obama Administration ‘SHE IS VERY RELIABLE’

Another Cain accuser only doing right thing, family and friends say

232 What Now?!  If you're referring to that court case, it was a different David Axelrod.

233 So a month ago at a Tea Party event Sharon went out of her way to go backstage and has in a full embrace of Herman Cain!
Must have had a change of heart since then or remembered her encounter fondly.

I wish this whole thing was a Breitbart type set up of the Presstitutes and the punk Rethuglicans that are piling on Cain just like when they were silent as Palin was Blood Libeled!
Let em get away with it and rest assured should your inept candidate ever rise above 20% in the polls they will be next, its' the Chicago way! The Chitown machine led by the Ballerina is in all out re-elect mode, they have not fleeced enough of the countries wealth and redistributed it to their cronies yet.

234

Cain could change the ENTIRE focus of this with a hard ass presser where he basically says:

"the media is in the tank for this President. Instead of talking about the 200 murders his justice department is responsible for in Mexico, they want to destroy me with these trumped up charges. Instead of talking about the 500 Million this administration stole from taxpayers and put in the pocket of one of Obama's fundraisers, the media instead persists in this witch hunt. The media is covering for this awful presidency by attacking me. They don't want to do their job of holding this administration accountable for theft and murder. Instead it's me they're coming after. How come no one asks the President about the billion dollar loan to Nancy Pelosi's half-brother? Why is no one talking about how Obama's Occupy Wall Street protests are rife with rape and drug use and theft? Why isn't the media doing its job instead of attacking me? Because they are in the tank for the democrats and for this President. The media is corrupt, monolithic, and ideologically left-wing. So they don't ask about theft, rape, murders in mexico. Instead, they attack me. Because I'm a black republican. And they can't have that."

This kind of speech would DESTROY! Throw out BIG CLAIMS! RAPE, MURDER, DRUG USE! And then let them call it deflection. The media will still be forced to cover it all even if trying to undermine Cain's words. All eyes are on herman cain - he should use that to his advantage and put the focus back on the media. It's be beautiful!

 

235 What Now?!  If you're referring to that court case, it was a different David Axelrod.

No. I am referring to them living in the same building. She acknowledged it this morning.

236 No. I am referring to them living in the same building. She acknowledged it this morning.

Posted by: What Now?! at November 08, 2011 10:29 AM (piMMO)

Oh....wow!  I didn't watch.  Interesting.....

237

"He confirmed the facts of the original Politico article, even as he denied the whole dust-up as a media smear."

 

What facts?  

238 I'm waiting for the facts, but I have noticed that sexual issues are the Democrats' go-to smear against conservative black men.

They can hide their hoods but it's still the same old klan.

239

@ 234 So a month ago at a Tea Party event Sharon went out of her way to go backstage and has in a full embrace of Herman Cain!
Must have had a change of heart since then or remembered her encounter fondly.

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

Here's an idea - what if she were the one hitting on him, he rejected her, and her revenge is to launch allegations against him, knowing that it'd be perceived as more believable because of the other recent allegations?

It's not like a woman scorned has never tried to do that or anything, after all.

240
No. I am referring to them living in the same building. She acknowledged it this morning.

Posted by: What Now?! at November 08, 2011 10:29 AM (piMMO)

In which interview did she say this?  FOX? I want to see if I can find the video of it.

241 I'm sure everyone's read this article about her history of financial ruin and going after ex boyfriends: http://tinyurl.com/74ygunf Curious that the only record of her voting Republican was in the 2008 primary. Axlerod's neighbor, you say?

242 You also have to remember the way that Obama took out Jack Ryan. The Daily Caller describes the way the pres takes out political opponents as passive-aggressive. More like aggressive-aggressive.

243

It's not like a woman scorned has never tried to do that or anything, after all.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at November 08, 2011 10:36 AM (+inic)

The links I posted are the name and administration position of Joel Bennett's client who wanted to stay out of the limelight.  So much for that.

244 In which interview did she say this?  FOX? I want to see if I can find the video of it.

Yep. Martha McCallum interviewed Bialek and Allred this morning. I just looked for the vid but it's not out there yet.

245 >>>The links I posted are the name and administration position of Joel Bennett's client who wanted to stay out of the limelight.  So much for that.

What do you seem to think those links prove?  It was already known that she was a government employee.  She no more "works in the Obama administration" than I worked in the "Bush Administration" when I was a government employee myself.

246 Yep. Martha McCallum interviewed Bialek and Allred this morning. I just looked for the vid but it's not out there yet.

Posted by: What Now?! at November 08, 2011 10:38 AM (piMMO)

Ok, thanks.  I'll check for it later.

247 Uh Oh...accuser credibility craters, looks like we will have to HOPE for a good one to come along to bolster the narrative/smear...fingers crossed!!!

248 Herman Cain must still be ahead of Perry in the Polls, else the Ace of Spades staff wouldn't still be twisting the information in an attempt to smear Cain.  Must be tough to not only have Obama afraid of you, but also the Republican establishment.  First Palin, now Cain. 

249 Cain should've been finished before he started. The guy is a fraud like Obarry. His whole image is based on that stupid pizza company which lost sales during his "leadership". He knows less than nothing about foreign affairs, but for some strange reason...now what on earth could THAT be...he's given the benefit of the doubt and low expectations, and we're told to be patient because he's "learning" as he goes. Enough with this idiot, already. Sure, the Left is beyond hypocritical (see, B. Clinton), and Laura Ingraham is having a real baby over her hero being ripped, but we just did the whole "who cares about experience and who cares about the innumerable "mistakes" and 57 states, etc?" thing, to disastrous results. We made "history" already. How about an intelligent statesman this time? You know, just for shits and giggles?

250

President is just ignoring a freaking subpoena, and all we can talk about is unproven and unprovable charges. Holder is gonna be questioned today involving the death of an agent, but we can always talk some more about unprovable gossip.

Well played MFM, keep takling about this nonsense while sweeping Obama Administration crimes under the rug.

251 @250 By all means, go after Cain on substance... but let's not facilitate the neo-commie smear machine.

252 I think that the people who are backing Cain to the hilt also believe deep down that there may be truth to the allegations, but they've settled on their candidate and come hell or high water, they're sticking with him.  In their thoughts, they can admit that they forgive him, despite his obvious amateurish moves and lack of real knowledge of how to fix this mess, but they cannot forgive someone like Newt Gingrich, a superior candidate, whose problems we do know of and are more than a decade old. 

253 Cain needs to embrace GOProud to get Malor in his corner.

254
231 So, Miss Bialek lives in the same building as Axelrod, huh?

Posted by: What Now?! at November 08, 2011 10:24 AM (piMMO)

So is this a case of dragging a twenty dollar bill through the hall of Axelrod's building?

255

Posted by: JoeS at November 08, 2011 10:46 AM (2rpjM)

Would you please stop to introduce such strange concepts like "standards" into our search for the next potus? Its very confusing. Thank you.

256

@ 165

Perhaps so, but I am a realist. And I have been around for a while, consistently Conservative Libertarian. Not just reduced government, not just limited government, but absolute minimal governement. I know Romney will not go that far, but he certainly will go farther that way than our current POTUS will. 

The Republican Establishment will have Mitt as the candidate. There is no question about this, and there is little that can happen to derail him. When he is the nominee and running for POTUS, Conservatives who choose to not vote for him are voting for Obama.

Support whoever the Republicans nominate, hold your nose if you have to, as I will, but vote ABO, or have four more years of what we have now, but accelerated by a second term Office Holder trying to make history.

257 The greatest part of waking up, is Cain in your cup.

258

For the casual GOP voter, like the lady on the Limbaugh show, it's easy to say: look we know not to trust the media, we've been trained not to trust the media, (and here's the leap) so we choose to believe that Cain must be telling the truth.

Not really. I think he might be telling the truth, he might be lying his ass off. But in what universe does the MSM get the benefit of the doubt, after years and years of demonstrable lies and hit jobs on conservatives/Republicans (and the converse of doing all that it can to protect libs/Democrats?)

259 @259 - Exactly. I don't know why that is so hard for ace and others to understand. Looking at the bright side, at least Gabe's post was easy on the hysterics.

260 Here's the vid. Either she does, or did, live in the same building.

261 Cain, the famous Cub Steve Stone, the physician boyfriend who arranged for her to meet with Cain in D.C. and booked and paid for the trip/hotel, the boyfriend suing her for thousands, the current fiancé who currently pays her expenses and shares his five bedroom house so she can "be a mom" to her thirteen year old son from another man and who proposed to her on a trip to Venice. The 50 year old bleach blonde with fake ta-tas? I ain't sayin' she a gold digga', but she ain't messin' wit no broke...guys.

262 And here's another clip from the same interview of her not ruling out making money from this.

263

235 @ JDW

I like it! I like it a LOT!

264 Not saying the Bialek is lying (since I don't know), but based on the clips I'm hearing of her FOX interview on the Laura Ingraham show (and yes, the pic that just surfaced - regardless of Jeff B.'s completely made-up scenario which he claims is more likely), let's just say I'm taking the accusations with a barrel-sized container of salt for now.

265 Here's the vid. Either she does, or did, live in the same building.

Posted by: What Now?! at November 08, 2011 10:58 AM (piMMO)

Must be did because the address they mention is downtown and from another article I read, she lives in the suburbs with her fiance/boyfriend/whatever.

266 261 Here's the vid. Either she does, or did, live in the same building.

Oops! Bad link. Here it is.

267 Must be did because the address they mention is downtown and from another article I read, she lives in the suburbs with her fiance/boyfriend/whatever.

In a metro area the size of Chicago, I'm sure it's all a mere coincidence.

268 Would be interesting to do a little digging as to who this current sugar daddy of hers is...

269

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN QUILTY.

That is my standard, so what I get from your spiel he should try to spin the allegations how exactly do you do that when there is not one piece of evidence nor a single corroboration of the accusations? He is handling it exactly right as the polls bare out. Come on throw me a bone here give me one fucking piece of evidence backing up these allegations that is all I ask. We have seen this same scenario played out before as has been pointed out on this page remember Clarence Thomas? Or how about Bill Cosby? And there are more that I canÂ’t remember off the top of my head. I honestly believe that there is a prejudice that says a black man is more likely to sexually harass women and the liberals know this and use it that is why this seems to be their standard weapon against blacks who do not stay on the liberal plantation and also it nullifies the race card for the victim.  By the way I am a big Perry fan and hope to GOD he gets his act together so I can vote for him as President but for GODS sake stop doing the libtards work for them if you don't like what Cain is doing then just leave it alone until it is cleared up one way or another.

270

Five facts emerged from the first three known cases of alleged harrassment: lump sump payments of (a)$35K and (b)$45K respectively. (c)These allegations were brought in Wash DC during a time period when allegations like this were in the news a lot! (d)The settled amounts indicate that there wasn't any "there" there, based on the knowledge of respectible attorneys who work in that field of litigation/law. (Clinton settled personally for $800K+.) (e) When the NRA elected to allow one of the accusers to go public, she declined, further indicating that there wasn't any "there" there.

Those facts cause me to dismiss out of hand all three of those allegations, until and unless some additional information is provided. They should not even influence your perception of the fourth accuser, as in, "the bulk of the [so-called] evidence indicates...." or the "where there's smoke...". With no information that can be verified, the allegations cannot be considered legitimate for any purpose.

As for the fourth accuser, after one day it appears she has the motive, opportunity, and "bat-shit crazy" demeanor to allege unprovable allegations against Mr. Cain; allegations which would have risen to the level of sexual assault if true, yet she evidently did not act in a manner consistent with someone who felt assaulted when she took that picture with Mr. Cain. So no, I don't believe her; she is not, in my opinion, credible at this time.

Finally, this does not excuse HC's policy gaffes. I happen to like HC because: 1) he's willing to take on the establishment thinkers and make bold proposals, which is what we need to actually prevent DOOM! 2) He is willing to fight and to challenge, and has been doing that since he challenged the original healthcare law proposed by Clinton. 3) He has strong private sector experience. 4) People who worked with him at NRA lauded his capacity for understanding how Washington works and knowing what levers to push. 5) He also has public sector experience in the Fed, and with the Navy, as a civilian. 6) He is a "real" person, and not a bought and paid for pol.

His gaffes on foreign policy (the Israel thing, not the China thing) and abortion (inarticulate and confusing) are FACEPALM! moments that demonstrate a lack of preparation and seriousness that lend credence to the claim that he wasn't in the race to contend, he was in to sell books; however, they are not proof of the claim either. In and of themselves, they are simply disappointing, and evidence that his focus is on economics. That said, as John Bolton said on the radio this morning, "the President has to be able to walk and chew gum at the same time." You don't get a pass for your non-economic positions. If you did, PAULIANS UNITE!!!11!!!!ELEVENTY!

I still have questions about Newt and whether he can overcome his baggage, and whether Perry can overcome his immigration position with the base, his evident lack of debating skills, and the residual baggage from the last Texas governor we hired for the job. I live in Romney-land and he is a non-starter for me; anyone who wants to support him had better make shure that he remains a "good democrat", and stays bought; with heavy down-ticket hard-core federalist conservatives to keep his central planning "Romney-knows-best" tendencies in check. Santorum and Bachmann are also non-starters, minimally for electability reasons.

"Help me Rep. Paul Ryan (and/or Sen. Rubio). You're our only hope!"

271 Whoops... forgot to mention that comparisons to Clinton and any alleged hypocrisy are unwarranted. Clinton's problem was lieing under oath. To say that we have to believe the Cain accusers because we believed the Clinton accusers is diversionary. I didn't have to believe the Clinton accusers based only on their statements: I was able to review actual evidence and the fact that the President lied under oath.

272 If it was one accuser and one settlement I would give Cain the benefit of the doubt.  Two accusers and two settlements not so much so.  On the mitigating side, the fact that the National Restaurant Association is willing to allow at least one of the accusers to talk to the press makes me think maybe the facts aren't as damning as some people think. 

I still keep coming back to those two settlements though.  I have never been accused of sexual harassment or been in a position where a company would take out a key player insurance policy on me, but as I understand it one payout would really inflate the premiums and 2 would drive them through the roof so it would not be in the associations best interests to just payout without at least a fairly good chance they would lose at trial or mediation.

My other problem here is that Cain is denying everything but he isn't calling for the official record to be released.  If he was exonerated  you would think he would be screaming to have the record of the investigation out there.

273

President is just ignoring a freaking subpoena, and all we can talk about is unproven and unprovable charges. Holder is gonna be questioned today involving the death of an agent, but we can always talk some more about unprovable gossip.

Well played MFM, keep takling about this nonsense while sweeping Obama Administration crimes under the rug.

Posted by: Schwalbe : The © at November 08, 2011 10:48 AM (UU0OF)

--And way too many of us here revel in dishing in the gossip.

274 Five facts emerged from the first three known cases of alleged harrassment: lump sump payments of (a)$35K and (b)$45K respectively.

I asked this earlier but no one answer....who is #3?  Is it the person who told someone that they woke up in Cain's apt.? 

275 Look, we don't know either way. But my proposed narrative is a hundred times more plausible than yours; the only criteria you seem to be working on is "Cain must be innocent and this woman must be a liar, therefore all facts will be interpreted uniformly to fit that Procrustean bed." But that's the logic of fools.

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 10:06 AM (hIWe1)

Yah Jeff, feel free to take that strawman and stick it up your ass before you light it on fire.  That isn't my 'narrative' at all, and you're just projecting your own logic (in the reverse) in this case.  The woman - by her own admission this morning - did not confront Cain in any way shape or form at that back stage meeting - you know, the one she worked so hard to make happen.  In fact, to someone both rational and uninterested, it looks more and more like she's a nut that was determined to inject herself into the public spotlight at any cost - whether as a friend of the candidate or an accuser of said candidate.  But hey, keep defending her and smearing him.  Never mind Gloria Allred, the instant (read: preplanned) jaunt on the talk show circuit, the fact that she's broke and out of work, the public testimony of the folks who know her, as well as those who set up and witnessed the meeting, the fact she never told anyone the details of the encounter until now, the fact that this isn't her first sexual harrassment accusation, the fact that she didn't confront him at the hotel last month when she had the opportunity, that Cain has said "There is no truth to any of these accusations" etc.  Or as some of us like to think of it:  The Facts We DO Know.  All of that's irrelevant and out of the boundary of consideration.  Cain's obviously a rapist.  Duh.

For what its worth, I'm NOT a Cainiac.  I didn't think he was ready even before this stuff broke.  But I'm fucking sick to death of asshats like you and Ace turning the gatling guns on your own fucking people.  Take a step back and fuck your own face you obtuse nit.  Reagan had an 11th Commandment for a reason.  The problem is most conservatives today are obviously just as fucking stupid as the commies and no longer grasp the ontological basis for or reasoning behind the Commandment.  I'm not letting the MSM pick my candidate, and I sure as fuck am not letting some lightweight poli-sci intellectual wannabe's (like the AOSHQ) do it with puerile negative attack stories for me either.  PS - Romney's dick in your mouth doesn't make you attractive no matter how much Ace says it does.  Word.

276

And just for the record, distrusting the MFM and asking for proof does NOT equal 'I support Cain'

Remember the just before the election the NYT tryin to say McVain had an affair with a staffer? Yeah, smells just like that.

277 @ 253 Exactly! NONE of these guys lack for skeletons. But the ONLY guy who is being held to the lowest possible expectations is Cain. AGAIN, why is that. AGAIN, it is obvious. AGAIN, we did this already. Newt is beyond any forgiveness, even though he is light years more "prepared" than pizza man, who may or may not have "harassed" a few broads, but who is embarrassingly clownish on anything other than "9-9-9". Any of Cain's "gaffes" (read: stupidity), would have sidelined any of the other candidates, right then and there. But, hey, continue we much...

278 Daily Mail article  that claims Bielak is a serial gold-digger is here, linked by Drudge.

Unwarranted speculation: Maybe Cain is just good at reading people and read her correctly in the car as nothing more than a hooker, and acted on that assumption.

279 Any of Cain's "gaffes" (read: stupidity), would have sidelined any of the other candidates, right then and there. But, hey, continue we much...

Posted by: JoeS at November 08, 2011 11:16 AM (2rpjM)

--Unless he is the nominee, I would not vote Cain, but I am completely supporting him until more than a will o' the wisp turns up as evidence.  But hey, continue to lap up everything the MBM excretes.

280

 have never been accused of sexual assault
i was accused but dont know what the settlements were
the settlements were for a 2-3 months of salary
i told curt anderson about these accusations when i was running for senator
curt anderson/perry campaign did it
she filed because i compared her height to my wife's

 

the above are some of the lies cain has told since this started. even if he is innocent for some reason his instinct has been to lie, and w/ 2 of those lies try to destroy others unrelated to any of this. how can you respect much less vote for this guy? is it just because he's "tough" w/ the press? is that what the former 'nista looks for in a candidate? because the press was mean to sarah anyone who will spite them is your guy?? there's an old adage about getting into a fight w/ someone who buys ink by the barrels. cain has lost this and rightly so.

281 @279 I'm thinking along the same lines... yeah, he probably hit on her and yeah, she probably encouraged it at the time and has now completely distorted the nature of the encounter... which is equal to bullshit to my mind.

282 Here's what makes me skeptical about her story. One is the presence of Gloria Allred. The other is that he supposedly grabbed her head and moved it toward his crotch. Even if you're a rich married guy on the make, that strikes me as a very, very low percentage play, if you're looking to get some head. You get her a hotel suite, you give her a limo ride and then you just go for it like it's spring break in Daytona Beach? It's just such a crude, unlikely move that it sets off alarm bells in my head. It makes me think that Allred told her to make her story more juicy. Here's a story I could believe -- they have lunch, he slides his hand across the table and touches her, and propositions her. But this? I think someone who would use that head-grab move would have a very long, very well-known history of such behavior (e.g., Sen. Packwood, Bill Clinton, etc.)

283 Posted by: chas at November 08, 2011 11:23 AM (TKF1Y)

--Those document one reason why I would not vote for him at the primary level (lack of political smarts) but do not constitute evidence.

Can we please separate political opposition from character assassination?  Too many people are committing the mirror image error of what they accuse Cainiacs of doing (i.e., political support translating into ignoring legal facts).

284

Arms Merchant at November 08, 2011 11:22 AM (hW3KZ)

 

oh well if thats the case its all good, lets nominate the guy!! just because the libs tolerate scum is no reason we should. especially for some lightweight like this. he's clueless on so many issues and newt exposed him as out of his league in their debate the other nite. this boils down to yall just taking the opposite of any stance the MSM takes.

285 President is just ignoring a freaking subpoena, and all we can talk about is unproven and unprovable charges. Holder is gonna be questioned today involving the death of an agent, but we can always talk some more about unprovable gossip. Well played MFM, keep takling about this nonsense while sweeping Obama Administration crimes under the rug. Posted by: Schwalbe : The © at November 08, 2011 10:48 AM (UU0OF) This makes no sense, unless you are so easily duped by the MFM that you voted for Obama. Why can't we talk about this AND be outraged by Obama/Holder's treasonous regime? The problem is not what we discuss here anonymously, but what the fucking assclowns of the Republican party are NOT discussing. THEY should be talking impeachment, and have had three years worth of stuff to act on, and have done NOTHING. The fact that Cain is utterly unqualified and yet, is being taken seriously to the point of dismissing all evidence to that fact, has nothing to do with Obama being an abject traitor.

286 The more that this crazy nonsense plays out, I'm getting the recurring nightmare feeling that this whole GOP field is a sorry charade bought and paid for by forces that may want to ease this country into a more manageable cruise control Romney Presidency.
Odumdum and his commies have set the table and Romney, posing as an alternative and problem solver will take us more stealthily over the cliff and into some internationalist one worlder solution.

It's just mind boggling that a more conservative, America first, competent candidate from the right isn't able to be identified and rallied behind at this time. 

287 I am having a hard time getting past the man running for president and not being prepared to address these allegations. Further, he never told his wife about the accusations. To me, that says he is either a liar or a fool.

288 logprof, exactly. I don't know what's so difficult about being able to distinguish Cain's desirability as a candidate from his guilt in this issue. In fact, based on my reading of the comments, a whole lot of people that are not jumping on the "HE'S GUILTY AND EVIL!!! LET'S BURN HIM AT THE STAKE NOW!!eleventy1!!" bandwagon (okay, maybe that was hyperbole, but it seems that way sometimes) don't want him anywhere near the nomination.

289

chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 08, 2011 11:34 AM (21lBC)

 

there have been many more posters slandering the accusers than have been saying cain is guilty. these women have been called crackwhores, golddiggers, deadbeats, etc. too many cainiacs have been well versed in the clinton smear machine.

290 @ 280 "But hey, continue to lap up everything the MBM excretes" The what? I'm not talking about lapping up anything from the "MBM" I'm talking about things Cain has SAID, concerning anything other than running a pizza business. He is woefully incompetent in regards to being the CIC, although I don't think competence has anything to do with the process anymore. I don't care about these broads (although he has lied about it to the point where I cannot dismiss it as nonsense); I care about the future CIC being allowed to learn as he goes, and make shit up as he goes, and demonstrate zero knowledge of foreign affairs, etc.

291

This makes no sense, unless you are so easily duped by the MFM that you voted for Obama.

Hey JoeS, eat my root asshole. I watched the Sunday shows, and it was all Cain, not a peep on F&F or ignoring subpoenas, both inifnitely more important than unproven gossip. As I said before, I don't support Cain, just hate the media focus on this trival crap when dead bodies and billions of waste are out there.

292 It's only slander if it's untrue. You might want to clarify your vocabulary.

293 193

Posted by: Chicago Rahm at November 08, 2011 09:21 AM (D0Svx)

 

exactly, there are just making accusations w/o any shred of proof!! oh, wait.....

Posted by: chas at November 08, 2011 09:40 AM (TKF1Y)

What exactly is that "shred of proof" again?

294

Posted by: chas at November 08, 2011 11:38 AM  too many cainiacs have been well versed in the clinton smear machine.

As opposed to what you do to fellow conservatives for not agreeing with your predispostions and prejudice?

And when called on it you go straight to the straw-man: oh well if thats the case its all good, lets nominate the guy!!

and follow up with questioning the character of fellow conservatives and assassinating Cain's character based on unsubstantiated allegations: just because the libs tolerate scum is no reason we should.

295

@ 250 He knows less than nothing about foreign affairs, but for some strange reason...now what on earth could THAT be...he's given the benefit of the doubt and low expectations, and we're told to be patient because he's "learning" as he goes.

Would you care to show us any of the other GOP candidates who have "foreign policy experience"?  Romney doesn't (unless you count "saving" the Olympics).  Perry doesn't.  Gingrich doesn't.  Bachmann and Santorum don't.  The only one who conceivably has "foreign policy experience" is Huntsman - and no thanks emphatically on that one. 

Hate to tell you this, but very few jobs actually give somebody "foreign policy experience" - being President, and perhaps VP, does.  Being on certain congressional and senatorial committees might.  Being an ambassador would.  Working in the CIA, NSA, probably counts.  In fact, the only President in recent history that I can think of who had "foreign policy experience" prior to taking office was Bush I, due to his being Director of the CIA, and his term as Chief Liaison to the PRC prior to that, as well as being, you know, the US ambassador to the UN. 

Kennedy? None.  Johnson? None.  Nixon?  None.  Ford?  None.  Carter? None.  Reagan?  None.  Clinton? None.  Bush II? None.  Obama?  Of course not.  In fact, except for Bush I, you have to go all the way back to Eisenhower before you find someone who took office already having appreciable foreign policy experience - and a lot of his involved killing them.

So please, whatever other beefs you might have against Cain, can we put this little piece of ridiculous nonsense to bed now?

As for Cain's missteps, frankly, I think a lot of them have been selectively quoted and spun to make him look "bad" or "dumber" than reality.  Take the "China - nuclear" thing.  Obviously, based on his previous writings from, IIRC, 2005, he knows China has nukyulur weapons.  The most common-sense response to his statement was that when he spoke of them "developing" these weapons, he meant "develop" in the sense of "improving" - a perfectly fine use of that English word. 

I will admit, his "I'd release everybody in Guantanamo in exchange for one American" was ill-advised. 

296 @ 292 No thanks, let your mom eat it. I hear she loves to eat root... Anyway, you missed my point. And, as a bonus, you seem shocked, SHOCKED!!, that the MSM would do such a thing! OMG! Was Sunday your first day watching TV? Of course the MSM doesn't touch Barry and associates. Of course they are all over this Cain thing. My point, classy one, is that the only folks who would be influenced by anything the MSM reports, are those who voted for Obama. How you interpreted that as a shot at you, only you, your mom, and the root in her mouth, know : )

297

"the media is in the tank for this President. Instead of talking about the 200 murders his justice department is responsible for in Mexico, they want to destroy me with these trumped up charges. Instead of talking about the 500 Million this administration stole from taxpayers and put in the pocket of one of Obama's fundraisers, the media instead persists in this witch hunt

Just so beautiful JDW that it must be repeated.

298

NewEnglandDevil at November 08, 2011 11:46 AM (73P6

 

cain has been lying since last week. two of those lies were attempts to destroy/discredit perry and curt anderson. that's scum in my book. and no strawman, you guys are trying to get him nominated. as for the other, no one has been lying and calling cain names like his supporters have done to these women. crackwhore is the one i love the most, really keep things highbrow w/ that one.

299

OK JoeS my bad, but this, to me anyway, is nothing to do with Cain, just MFM.

Geesh, had to bring my mom in too lol

300 So Sharon Ball-licker and Gloria (I'm a leftard who has a history of attacking Republicans) Allred come out with accusations and BAM! they have instant cred!

Should we wait even 24 hours to see what surfaces on Mrs Ball-licker?

Well, yes, maybe we should.

Watch the breaking news on Drudge get sweeter and sweeter as the day and week goes on. Mrs Ball-licker is clearly an attention whore who's irresponsible in financial matters and relationships. In other words she's a loon.

301 @ 296 Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

I just want to point out that Nixon had extensive foreign policy experience from his 8 years as Vice President under Eisenhower.

302 @ 296 "...Would you care to show us any of the other GOP candidates who have "foreign policy experience"?" Ah, reading comprehension, the good old days... I never said anything, read that word again, ANYTHING, about "experience". I'm talking about things any HS student should know. But I am glad you acknowledge that the Gitmo thingy, was "ill advised". By doing so, you prove my point of low expectations, and him being allowed to learn as he goes. Because, you know, we just HAVE to have Cain...for SOME reason...

303

chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 08, 2011 11:34 AM (21lBC)

 

there have been many more posters slandering the accusers than have been saying cain is guilty. these women have been called crackwhores, golddiggers, deadbeats, etc. too many cainiacs have been well versed in the clinton smear machine.

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  Well, in regards to the above, what to make of someone who waits 20 years and then springs this story at a politically convenient time ? and who happens to live in David Axelrod's building ? Especially when these actions follow a well tread political pattern that we've seen basically every single time a conservative gets too popular ?  There is a boy who cried wolf effect here that you cant ignore. Associating with a serial liar like Allred doesn't help the case at all, just makes it smack more of opportunism or paid shilling.  If the standard is going to be anyone can say anything and we run with it ...lets apply it evenly.

304 @ 300 Hey, you started it ; ) Seriously though, no problem. Maybe I wasn't clear enough.

305 @ 296

Speaking of Nixon -- the "Kitchen Debate" with Khrushchev in 1959. Can you imagine, even for a second, Joe Biden going toe-to-toe with a hostile head of state?

306

Chas - that wasn't a lie; that was an allegation, based on Cain's knowledge of who had prior knowledge of issues that were not in the public domain. Just because Anderson/Perry deny it, doesn't make it a lie. Even if Anderson and Perry didn't do it, that doesn't make it a lie either. It makes it wrong, but not a lie.

Why don't you come up with an actual lie so that we can discuss it?

As for calling anonymous women names.... what? they're anonymous? so any discussion is purely speculative? and not actually discussing an actual woman?

So you're fine with lieing about and calling names to conservatives here, but not to anonymous women? Whose existence just so happens to buoy your preferred candidate? I'm not sold on any of the candidates an am only really against two (Romney/Huntsman). Do you think that your attack of anyone who questions the veracity of the media is going to draw support to Perry, or whomever you're supporting?

307

@ 303 Ah, reading comprehension, the good old days...

I never said anything, read that word again, ANYTHING, about "experience". I'm talking about things any HS student should know.

That's because I wasn't just responding to your particular statement, but to the general run of arguments over the past month that have dealt with his "lack of experience," of which your post conceivably falls under but is not the summa tota. 

Which would have been apparent, had you any reading comprehension. *smirk*

308

Tea Party Tiger (Teager?) plays with MSM mouse (maybe dead mouse).

 

Hah

309

@ 302 I just want to point out that Nixon had extensive foreign policy experience from his 8 years as Vice President under Eisenhower.

True, I'd forgotten about that.  Nevertheless, that's sort of the exception that proves the rule, isn't it?  Before being on a successful ticket and being VP, he still didn't have any prior foreign policy experience, and therefore would be "unqualified" in the minds of some to have even been on that ticket in the first place, which is obviously bunkum.  He didn't pick any up from his days in the Congress or the Senate...

310 You know there is a bias in this country against numbers and science.  People have a fear of both.  Highly educated people with Juris doctors and PHD's have been known to joke "you said there would be no numbers".  People's moms want them to be a doctor but instead they go the academic route cause they aren't comfortable with science.

If you look at what Cain has said, publicly, his pattern is to study thoroughly, the subject he is tackling and then analyze what needs to be done to effectively handle said situation.  He's had success in business.  Using this strategy.  People want to discount that the strategy could transfer to politics.  they want to believe that people in business operate in a vacuum and that politics is somehow a seperate "animal" so to speak.  But deal with people effectively is a skill that some inside the beltway seem to have never developed to their detriment.  It's the one skill that got BO elected.  the Krauthammer's of the world aren't giving him a fair chance.  They've decided that he isn't a part of their political literati and that is that.  In America any natural born citizen of a certain age is uspposed to be able to have a shot at the presidency.  the founding father's didn't make a couple of pages with "rules if you want to be president" they made it quite simple.  The rules, like you have to already be a  politician or at least have had political experience is a rule made up to circumvent the simple rules the founding father's set down.

I don't like labels or groups, I didn't join the tea party or a political party for that reason.  You join and suddenly you have to accept the mantle of all the alleged beliefs of said group or party when in reality you may agree with some things and not others.  So far Herman Cain has articulated a lot of his beliefs and thoughts.  He's given solid reasoning as to why he has those beliefs and thoughts.  He's hit a chord with a lot of a political type people across a broad spectrum of American voters.

Now he is faced with a cadre of accusers.  He's been whollly criticized for how he should have handled the various situations.  People want to see anger yet that did not serve howard dean well.  People claim his chief of staff has violated election law and has a bunch of true negatives in his past.  It's possible that Herman Cain doesn't just say he's a Christian but actually tries to live beig a Christian and thereby hired the guy maybe no one else dared hire.  We don't know.

Some say he attacked Perry.  I give him a pass on that one cause I personally get a creepy vibe from Perry, you might choose not to give him a pass.  But that's you and I"m me and thank God, we each have a vote.  I'm not a romeny lover either.  Yeah if the president wanted to make him Secretary of the treasury and Paul Ryan had already turned down the job, well then I'm all in for romney.  But there comes a time when those running professionally for president aren't taken seriously.  So Paul and Romney fit that category.  Newt and Santoreum and Bachman and Huntsman are all good candidates but might not make a good president.  As a group presidency, they'd be spectacular. 

I'm waiting to hear what Herman Cain has to say in the presser.  I'm sure that absolutely nothing he says will change the way some of you feel about him and his candidacy.  But just remember.  Understanding the economy, not just being briefed on it but being able to request everything and look at everything yourself and understand it is no small skill.  You can be briefed on foreign policy, brought "up to snuff" as my mom says, rather quickly but if you have "fear of numbers" then you are still going to have to rely on people in your team to brief you and tell you the truth.  It's not the same, close but not the same.  I'd rather have a president who can really look at the numbers himself and call BS himself and have those being called out understand that he understands exactly what is going on.

311 Oh oh looks like Bielek's story is falling apart already. Go to legalinsurrection.com they have the whole story with links to you know actual witnesses. So we are back to the beginning that is to say absolutely no proof any of the accusations are true but hey! Who cares right? He needs to go by hook or by crook by GOD!

312 @308 "...That's because I wasn't just responding to your particular statement, blablablabla..." Oh, sorry. I got the idea that you were responding to my "particular statement", because...you quoted ME and then responded to...ME. Er...without mentioning that you were responding to a general run of arguments over the past month. How silly of me...

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