November 08, 2011
— Ace Regarding Bialek, Cain called her a liar, and further said he doesn't even remember meeting her. He also said that he has never behaved inappropriately with anybody.
I want him to confirm or deny that hotel upgrade.
Anyway, as the earlier post suggested, the plan is to suggest that Bialek has a cash-money motivation for telling lies, though Ben Smith points out she lives with a rich fiance in a five-bedroom home, in one of those nice Chicago suburbs like the type I see in John Hughes movies.
Still -- that's not her money, and I guess anyone could use a quarter million dollars or whatever she could plausibly get for a book deal.
It gets a little tough for Cain, because he's not pushing against one accusation, but four, and even as he prepares to push back on Bialek, a friend of Karen Kraushaar starts speaking to the press (without being named):
A longtime friend of one of Herman Cain’s unnamed accusers tells CNN that Cain dangled a job promotion in front of the accuser at the same time he “made her very uncomfortable” with sexual “innuendo and overtures.”This woman told CNN she spoke extensively with her friend about Cain’s conduct in 1998 at the time the accuser was allegedly being harassed by Cain while they both worked at the National Restaurant Association…
The friend tells CNN the accuser would sometimes “come home in tears, and it would all come pouring out how upset she was.”
At least I assume that is Karen Kraushaar, because her friends began talking in that The Daily piece I linked earlier. Gotta be. Timing is too perfect.
So there is another contemporaneous bit of witness corroboration by another person without (so far) any clear motive to lie.
Via Allah, Kraushaar is apparently considering what could be the last move in this game.
She is not ready, according to this friend, to make a public statement and was planning to watch Cain's Tuesday news conference.According to the friend, Kraushaar is considering having a press conference in the future, perhaps with some of the women who have accused Cain but have not yet made their stories public.
That would be pretty devastating, I'm thinking. Unless the women were transparently lying, but I for one don't anticipate that will be the case.
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Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 01:05 PM (zLeKL)
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Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 08, 2011 01:06 PM (iWb1o)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 08, 2011 01:06 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 01:06 PM (51YA7)
Posted by: boone at November 08, 2011 01:06 PM (Jl3Mu)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 01:06 PM (14jKX)
Posted by: The Robot Devil at November 08, 2011 01:07 PM (+hB3s)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 08, 2011 01:07 PM (fCkqS)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 08, 2011 01:07 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: boone at November 08, 2011 01:08 PM (Jl3Mu)
Posted by: Jackie Chiles at November 08, 2011 01:08 PM (JheO3)
Why is the lawyer droning on? Shouldn't Cain be speaking?
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 08, 2011 01:08 PM (iWb1o)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 01:08 PM (14jKX)
Behind the pleasant demeanor Herm "You go First" Cain is pretty polivacuous ("policy vacuous" but if you end up having to type out the long-hand to explain the contraction what's the point of the contraction?). Newt did wrt to his Pelosi on the couch commercial what Romney should have done with Romney care, four words: "it was a mistake." Done. Ready for the Newt surge?
Posted by: scofflaw at November 08, 2011 01:08 PM (IhBRY)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 01:08 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at November 08, 2011 01:09 PM (ijjAe)
A book deal? She could fit her story on a 3x5 card.
Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at November 08, 2011 01:09 PM (QKKT0)
Cain's lawyer: My client has been attacked by conjecture and innuendo. We will thus defend him with conjecture and innuendo.
Posted by: boone at November 08, 2011 01:09 PM (Jl3Mu)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 01:09 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 08, 2011 01:09 PM (iWb1o)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 01:09 PM (51YA7)
This case will get more and more murky. He'll keep things straight.
Posted by: Cherry pi at November 08, 2011 01:09 PM (OhYCU)
Well, that's an accusation for ya.
Hostile Work Environment and Quid Pro Quo, nice!
Both of the two types of sexual harassment in one go. Now that's what I call efficiency!
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 01:09 PM (YiE0S)
Or He doesn't defend Himself well enough to be credible.
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 01:10 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2011 01:10 PM (JYheX)
Posted by: scofflaw at November 08, 2011 01:10 PM (IhBRY)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 01:10 PM (QKKT0)
No more bizarre than the unsubstantiated horseshit that necessitated the conference in the first place.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 01:10 PM (51YA7)
Posted by: Herman Cain for America at November 08, 2011 01:10 PM (Jl3Mu)
I would have thought he'd let Newt go first.
Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2011 01:11 PM (JheO3)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 08, 2011 01:11 PM (i6RpT)
Oh noes...I'm gay now! Quick, somebody please get me copies of Funny Girl and Beaches!
*sarc*
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 08, 2011 01:11 PM (9hSKh)
Headline: Cain Takes Wood to His Bitches
Posted by: Cherry pi at November 08, 2011 01:11 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 08, 2011 01:11 PM (iWb1o)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 01:11 PM (zLeKL)
It's hard to imagine this being a pure conspiracy. Too many aspects set up from many years ago. Maybe. Hopefully.
Posted by: Dustin at November 08, 2011 01:11 PM (rQ/Ue)
Posted by: Herman Cain for America at November 08, 2011 01:12 PM (Jl3Mu)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2011 01:12 PM (JYheX)
Well, that should be disprovable if untrue. And she can prove it by proving Cain upgraded the hotel room, or providing other info of correspondence between the two, etc.
So now we have a credibility issue that can be resolved.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 01:12 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 08, 2011 01:12 PM (i6RpT)
Headline: Cain Takes Wood to His Bitches
This is where ace has taken his viewers?
Posted by: Troofer at November 08, 2011 01:12 PM (e6MoS)
Yeah. No shit!
WTF Herman? This is your defense?
WTF Cainbots? This is your preferred candidate?
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 01:13 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 08, 2011 01:13 PM (Qjh0I)
Posted by: Herman Cain for America at November 08, 2011 01:13 PM (Jl3Mu)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 01:13 PM (14jKX)
First, settlements make them substantiated in some manner. Second, he made it worse by telling several accounts in the first day.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 08, 2011 01:13 PM (iWb1o)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 08, 2011 01:13 PM (h6mPj)
I want him to confirm or deny that hotel upgrade.
I dunno, Ace. In a perfect world, yes. In this one... it would depend on how strong the rest of his denial is, I think.
I'm still, more-or-less, on the "he stepped in it" side of this argument. I'm not sure if he's "guilty" or not.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 01:13 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 01:13 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 01:13 PM (hIWe1)
She has a narration of events that are extremely credible, completely proper (even according to her) and likely to be unproveably false, followed by her claim that Cain made a move ... in the car ... with no witnesses ... then he took her back to her hotel.
This is, based upon what Bialek said to the MSM, specifically a case of she-said-he-said.
Cain's only reasonable response is the one he's making.
And now that another day has passed, we see more details about Bialek ... a couple of bankruptcies, continual loss of jobs, 5 or 6 litigations, a law firm unable to serve papers on her, as she seems to have no address, and a boyfriend ... who recommends she look up Cain for a job ... what does this boyfriend do for a living?
Where are the other 4 accusers? The latest one, #5, is all innuendo. What about the first 3?
Cain is tied for my vote, with Perry, but we should not lose faith in Cain yet. He needs to fight this one ... otherwise, he will not be the last.
Posted by: Arbalest at November 08, 2011 01:13 PM (g3Exc)
On the other hand, this whole thing really rubs me the wrong way. I don't think the phrase "high-tech lynching" isn't that far off from the truth if the phrase didn't include the racial element. I don't know, maybe "high-tech character assignation" comes closer.
But, these allegations are not substantive, and there are too many on the right that don't seem to be all that bothered by that fact.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at November 08, 2011 01:13 PM (DzlOQ)
Posted by: by the Sasha Grey for Senate Campaign at November 08, 2011 01:14 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 08, 2011 01:14 PM (6uQOP)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 08, 2011 01:14 PM (iWb1o)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 08, 2011 01:14 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at November 08, 2011 01:15 PM (h6mPj)
Posted by: monique at November 08, 2011 01:15 PM (GbQsz)
The first thing a 'guilty' party does is lawyer up and then clam up. If I was Spermin and this wasn't true, you couldn't of kept me away from a microphone.
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at November 08, 2011 01:15 PM (jucos)
I think that be denying that he ever met her he is also denying the room upgrade, Ace.
I wish folks would just come forward instead of being coy.
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 08, 2011 01:15 PM (MSCON)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 01:15 PM (JheO3)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 01:15 PM (14jKX)
You really ought to be more respectful towards an honorable profession.
Posted by: Morning Wood Funeral Home at November 08, 2011 01:15 PM (51YA7)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 08, 2011 01:15 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 08, 2011 01:15 PM (9hSKh)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 01:15 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 08, 2011 01:15 PM (QcFbt)
Keep that crack pipe lit.
He never met her? ha ha!
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 01:15 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Boone at November 08, 2011 01:16 PM (Jl3Mu)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 08, 2011 05:12 PM (i6RpT)
Have you ever thought that perhaps he's telling the truth?
Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2011 01:16 PM (E9uDr)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 08, 2011 01:16 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Newt G. at November 08, 2011 05:15 PM (Zs83Q)
lolz ya dawgPosted by: Random at November 08, 2011 01:16 PM (YiE0S)
Then substantiate them already.
'Cause nobody has yet, after nearly a week and a half of this.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 01:16 PM (51YA7)
It's a Democratic setup? Or is it a Perry setup? I am getting confused with all of these stories.
Posted by: Boone at November 08, 2011 01:16 PM (Jl3Mu)
Posted by: USA at November 08, 2011 01:17 PM (6Cjut)
Maybe it's just me......but this thing is reminding me of Romney's "My Faith" speech back in 2008.
That was painful to watch too.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at November 08, 2011 01:17 PM (ZQK1u)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 05:10 PM (zLeKL)
Thaaaaaat's what she said!
Posted by: Michael Scott at November 08, 2011 01:17 PM (DrWcr)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 08, 2011 01:17 PM (iWb1o)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 08, 2011 01:17 PM (i6RpT)
Sweet - He denies the charge, but it doesn't mean a thing. Nevertheless, we're supposed to believe an accuser who already has some holes in her story, who has some financial incentives to make some allegations, and whose behaviour at the Tea Party convention wasn't exactly in line with her story.
The only way he can possibly exhonerate himself is to prove that he didn't upsize a hotel room something like 14 years ago. Hope he kept his receipt.
Then, we have another accuser who we're supposed to believe it credible because of an anonymous friend of hers who says she "believable" in an online rag.
Good grief, this is surreal.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at November 08, 2011 01:18 PM (+inic)
Sure, the media will just buy Cain's word on everything. This, "I never saw her before in my life," until seeing her with Allred defense will totally work.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 01:18 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at November 08, 2011 01:18 PM (ijjAe)
It's a Romney setup.
Posted by: Rick Perry at November 08, 2011 01:18 PM (51YA7)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 01:18 PM (nj1bB)
And how about the medical records so that we actually KNOW the actual former residents of Sarah Palin's uterus?
Posted by: HobbieHawk at November 08, 2011 01:18 PM (IPGju)
Well, now there's an honest statement if I ever did hear one!
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 01:18 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: by the Sasha Grey for Senate Campaign at November 08, 2011 01:18 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Jimmy Swaggart at November 08, 2011 01:18 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Herman Cain, Sex Machine at November 08, 2011 01:19 PM (H/kgP)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 01:19 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 01:19 PM (zLeKL)
Yeah... but it's often the first thing an innocent party does, too. In fact, in legal matters, cops (off the record, of course) will say the last thing you should do is cooperate with them (by answering questions, anyway) if you're the object of the investigation. Even if you "have nothing to hide" you should have a lawyer present.
Don't get me wrong- he's done lots of thing a 'guilty' person does, so I think he's probably guilty of something. I'm just not sure what or if it rises to the level that I'm supposed to believe.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 01:19 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 08, 2011 01:19 PM (iWb1o)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 01:19 PM (14jKX)
If she called him a cheating whore dog would he tell that story?
Posted by: by the Sasha Grey for Senate Campaign at November 08, 2011 01:20 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Boone at November 08, 2011 01:20 PM (Jl3Mu)
@ 92 He never met her? ha ha!
He didn't say that he never met her. He said that he doesn't remember meeting her. And judging by her picture, I can understand why he's find her forgetable.
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at November 08, 2011 01:20 PM (+inic)
it will be either proven or disproven.
See, look here: If someone has access to evidence and refuses to make it public, I assume that evidence cuts against him, not in his favor.
This is kind of a no brainer.
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 05:18 PM (nj1bB)
Yep. Not to mention her hugging him at the Tea Party event in front of witnesses, talking to him intensely for 2-3 minutes. But he NEVER saw her before!
Oh, and the absolutely would be willing to take a lie detector test, but I won't until I decide to do so defense, is F'n lame.
THIS is your candidate, Cain supporters! Own it.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 01:20 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Media Meat Hook at November 08, 2011 01:20 PM (lLeix)
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 01:21 PM (hIWe1)
B E L I E V E, Ace.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 01:21 PM (51YA7)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 01:21 PM (zLeKL)
Somebody ask what specifically is he denying. Is he denying purchasing the hotel room? Is he denying meeting the woman at the restaurant? Or is he just denying the sexual harassment stuff?
Posted by: Boone at November 08, 2011 01:21 PM (Jl3Mu)
I gotta say this, he has given some straight out statements that if true, really help him. If false, he is quite boned.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2011 01:21 PM (JYheX)
What date?
Posted by: Cherry pi at November 08, 2011 01:21 PM (OhYCU)
Not since (about this particular claim) we have eye-witnesses who saw the two together previously. No, not really.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 01:22 PM (8y9MW)
Seriously. The far-Left has gone insane and are, as we speak, raping each other on the streets of America. They are throwing urine and blood on people who don't give them free shit.
The Left is having a full-on 60s level freakout -- filled with violence, rape, rampant drug use, mob tactics, etc, etc -- and yet here we are with the Hermain Cain dominating the 24/7 news cycle.
Fuck.
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 08, 2011 01:22 PM (QcFbt)
Have you ever thought that perhaps he's telling the truth?
Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2011 05:16 PMYou ask that question here?
Sheesh.
Ace had him tried, convicted, sentenced and doing time days ago....
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 08, 2011 01:22 PM (HkOAc)
This is kind of a no brainer.
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 05:18 PM (nj1bB)
We'll see. I'll make no judgement on the man until I see some actual facts.
Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2011 01:22 PM (E9uDr)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 08, 2011 01:22 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 01:22 PM (14jKX)
Alrighty then. She worked at his organization. She has 2 affidavits saying she was upset or whatever by what happened with Cain back then. There are 3 other accusers, 2 of whom received settlements. She's made very specific claims, including that he upgraded her room, which could be verified.
Yeah! This defense is going to fly.
Laughing My (_!_) Off and rolling on the mofo floor
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 01:23 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 01:23 PM (hIWe1)
I don't remember seeing this woman who hugged me and talked to me a month ago.
Posted by: Herman Cain for America at November 08, 2011 01:23 PM (Jl3Mu)
Ummm... yes? And we've mentioned them several times.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 01:23 PM (8y9MW)
Agreed. He should have kept the "stump speech" part out of the middle and his statement wouldn't have seemed so disorganized.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 08, 2011 01:23 PM (9hSKh)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 08, 2011 05:19 PM (iWb1o)
You know better than that, Lacey. You really do.
The existence of what?
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 01:23 PM (51YA7)
Posted by: Herman Cain for America at November 08, 2011 01:24 PM (Jl3Mu)
Posted by: Herman Cain, Let Me Be Your Godfather! (I make it hot.) at November 08, 2011 01:24 PM (YiE0S)
Seriously. The far-Left has gone insane and are, as we speak, raping each other on the streets of America. They are throwing urine and blood on people who don't give them free shit.
The Left is having a full-on 60s level freakout -- filled with violence, rape, rampant drug use, mob tactics, etc, etc -- and yet here we are with the Hermain Cain dominating the 24/7 news cycle.
Fuck.
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 08, 2011 05:22 PM (QcFbt)
LEAVE ACE ALONE!!!!
Posted by: someutubefreak at November 08, 2011 01:24 PM (e6MoS)
Ummm... yes? And we've mentioned them several times.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 05:23 PM (8y9MW)
Briefly list them again.
Posted by: Media Meat Hook at November 08, 2011 01:24 PM (lLeix)
Posted by: Certain Commenters & Bloggers at November 08, 2011 01:24 PM (3XDPM)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at November 08, 2011 01:24 PM (o/UM0)
We'll see. I'll make no judgement on the man until I see some actual facts.
Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2011 05:22 PM (E9uDr)
Such as what, exactly? What would it take to prove him innocent or guilty? You realize that in this affair we may never be able to prove anything beyond a shadow of a doubt, and end up having to simply go with the preponderance of evidence?
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 08, 2011 01:24 PM (MSCON)
Posted by: Barney Frank at November 08, 2011 01:24 PM (u4a/I)
When are we going to see the same treatment for Perry and Romney?
Frankly, I'm not holding my breath.
Posted by: Baroque at November 08, 2011 01:25 PM (B0LGd)
Posted by: Sharon Bialek at November 08, 2011 01:25 PM (H/kgP)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 01:25 PM (14jKX)
It's a stretch but it's the only way that neither party is knowingly lying.
If she says it wasn't, she's lying.
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 01:25 PM (JheO3)
Posted by: Boone at November 08, 2011 01:25 PM (Jl3Mu)
what will all you Cain nay-sayers do then?
Posted by: Media Meat Hook at November 08, 2011 01:26 PM (lLeix)
Posted by: Certain Commenters & Bloggers at November 08, 2011 05:24 PM (3XDPM)
+10000!!!!!
Posted by: Democrat Operatives Who Can't Believe We're Doing This Shit for Them at November 08, 2011 01:26 PM (51YA7)
Posted by: Bill Clinton at November 08, 2011 01:26 PM (vvr5S)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 08, 2011 01:26 PM (21lBC)
Seriously. The far-Left has gone insane and are, as we speak, raping each other on the streets of America. They are throwing urine and blood on people who don't give them free shit.
The Left is having a full-on 60s level freakout -- filled with violence, rape, rampant drug use, mob tactics, etc, etc -- and yet here we are with the Hermain Cain dominating the 24/7 news cycle.
Fuck.
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 08, 2011 05:22 PM (QcFbt)
And don't forget Eric Holders testimony today about undermining our 2nd Amendment and being an accomplice in the killing of a border agent.
But I'm glad we have our priorities straight.
Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2011 01:26 PM (E9uDr)
Posted by: Inspector Clouseau at November 08, 2011 01:26 PM (FUozQ)
Are you saying all Blacks look alike?
Racist!
Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at November 08, 2011 01:26 PM (GTbGH)
Conjuendo, when the truth just isn't god enough.
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 08, 2011 01:26 PM (Hx5uv)
Call the NRA and ask them to release the details of the two previous settlements.
Call the Hilton, and authorize them to release any data for credit-card X for a room booked [Allow the accuser to give a specific date, or at least small date range].
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 01:26 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 08, 2011 05:22 PM (QcFbt)
Amen brother.
The problem this time is that they are getting lots of help from the Right. The lefties will have plenty of large-caliber ammo to use against Cain or any other Republican candidate who isn't Mutt Romney (the Invincible). They will be able to say the candidate didn't even pass muster with his own people...and be able to back it up.
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 08, 2011 01:26 PM (HkOAc)
MAJOR RED FLAG RIGHT THERE, FOLKS.
I'm sorry, his immediate qualification that "it'll only because they want to keep a businessman out of the White House" is hilariously thin. Holy shit.
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 01:27 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: izoneguy at November 08, 2011 01:27 PM (i6Neb)
Posted by: Cain's Lawyer at November 08, 2011 01:27 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: H. Cain at November 08, 2011 01:27 PM (6Cjut)
Yup.
That plus the democrat party rejecting basic reforms today.
Plus fast and furious.
Plus Iran's nuclear ambitions, probably Obama's most lasting failure other than the debt bomb.
And we're talking about Cain. And the sad thing is this sex scandal matters. It shouldn't. I don't care. But it matters because this is how politics works for Republicans. Find something like this, and most Republicans are done for.
And when Cain's gone, we better hope our nominee is totally sex scandal free. I think Romney and Perry are clean, but hey, does it even matter?
Posted by: Dustin at November 08, 2011 01:27 PM (rQ/Ue)
You know better.
There could be 50 women and you've all but said that they'd all be a bunch of money grubbing limelight seekers.
I didn't say the settlements were proof of guilt. You made the point that it was "unsubstantiated bullshit". I was merely getting at the fact that they're not completely "unsubstantiated" if money changed hands in return for making "something" go away.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 08, 2011 01:27 PM (iWb1o)
Fuck me, Herman. The entire world is conspiring to keep you out of the White House. It's a conspiracy to keep the black man down! Can't have no darkie in the White House.
(Herman Cain played the race card first.)
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 01:27 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 01:27 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 01:28 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Boone at November 08, 2011 01:28 PM (Jl3Mu)
Call the NRA and ask them to release the details of the two previous settlements.
Call the Hilton, and authorize them to release any data for credit-card X for a room booked [Allow the accuser to give a specific date, or at least small date range].
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 05:26 PM (8y9MW)
And that would completely exonerate Cain in your mind?
Posted by: Media Meat Hook at November 08, 2011 01:28 PM (lLeix)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2011 05:10 PM (JYheX)
I thought it was the I have a drinking problem defense?
Anything is better than the mark Sanford soul mate defense.
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 08, 2011 01:28 PM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: SCOAMF at November 08, 2011 01:28 PM (e6MoS)
Woah......Cain is now providing cover for Romney? WTF?
If Perry had said what Romney did, Cain would be calling him a 'racist'......again.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at November 08, 2011 01:29 PM (ZQK1u)
Posted by: Touré de Pants at November 08, 2011 01:29 PM (4136b)
♫Somebody's watching GBTV♫
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 01:29 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 08, 2011 01:29 PM (PYxvn)
It's like watching a bunch of crabs devour a dead animal. Effective, but not a conspiracy.
This will continue until we are left with a milquetoast candidate the likes of Bob Dole or John McCain.
Posted by: TeaParty Forever at November 08, 2011 01:30 PM (Xwgt3)
Posted by: Breaker19 at November 08, 2011 01:30 PM (e6MoS)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 01:30 PM (14jKX)
Posted by: Mr Pink at November 08, 2011 01:30 PM (s8LxL)
Such as what, exactly? What would it take to prove him innocent or guilty? You realize that in this affair we may never be able to prove anything beyond a shadow of a doubt, and end up having to simply go with the preponderance of evidence?
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 08, 2011 05:24 PM (MSCON)
Excuse me, but isn't evidence another word for fact. Please tell me what the preponderance of evidence is.
Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2011 01:31 PM (E9uDr)
Okay, I need pictures or audio recordings or something because I have no reason to believe one over the other.
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 01:31 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: sauropod at November 08, 2011 01:31 PM (14aF6)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 01:31 PM (14jKX)
The settlements aren't proof of anything at all, since there are no charges to go along with them. As far as we know these were disaffected employees who realized they could get a payday, and the NRA, not having time for their shit, paid them to make THEM go away.
So yes, this is all completely unsubstantiated bullshit. Tell me upon what charge(s) the settlements were reached, and I'll be interested.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 01:32 PM (51YA7)
Posted by: nick at November 08, 2011 01:32 PM (S2Q0B)
Showing toughness if true, ballsy if it's not.
Posted by: toby928© Perrykrishna with tattooed knuckles at November 08, 2011 01:32 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: The Committee to Elect Jeb Bush in 2016, K. Rove, Chairman at November 08, 2011 01:32 PM (SSm72)
Posted by: Boone at November 08, 2011 01:32 PM (Jl3Mu)
Posted by: Boone at November 08, 2011 05:28 PM (Jl3Mu)"
I kinda like that Cain is willing to stand up for his friends. Anyone can stand up for someone when it's fair and reasonable. Only a friend can do it when it's a little unfair or a bit unreasonable.
Cain realizes that his kindnesses to Romney make him look bad to conservatives, especially those who recall his very poor treatment of Perry, who goes out of his way to give Cain slack on this (as he should). But Cain does it anyway. I admit I kinda like that he has real loyalty.
As much as I respect that, the fact is that Romney's record paints a clear picture. Cain's support for Romney paints a clear picture. This has always been the root of my inability to really cheer for Cain.
Posted by: Dustin at November 08, 2011 01:32 PM (rQ/Ue)
Call the NRA and ask them to release the details of the two previous settlements.
Call the Hilton, and authorize them to release any data for credit-card X for a room booked [Allow the accuser to give a specific date, or at least small date range].
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 05:26 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Media Meat Hook at November 08, 2011 01:32 PM (lLeix)
And he won't ask the Hilton to reduce his record and find out if he upgraded that room for the woman he doesn't remember meeting either.
Oh, and you know what, Cain supports? Screw you on ethical and moral grounds. This man is slagging her behavior, this registered Republican voter and woman, and I believe he is not doing so honestly.
He does not have the character to be the nominee, and if you think he does, this reflects negatively on you. Look, I don't like everything about women. I'll even admit they often tell a lot of stupid, unnecessary lies in mating situations, as do men, and I'd prefer it were possible that this all goes away.
Oh, he RECALLS that she was leaving the association, and he would see her, and she reported to his VP, and would attend meetings, but he never met her!
What. The. Fuck?
Getting back to what I was saying.
Cain supporters: Repudiate this liar, or repudiate your own reputation for morals and honesty and decency. You have no other fucking choice.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 01:32 PM (YiE0S)
Who the fuck wants to deal with this shit?
Posted by: Tami at November 08, 2011 01:32 PM (X6akg)
Assholes on the left of me, assholes to the right, here I am stuck in the middle with the likes of a Obama lookalike (Oromney) as being my most probable candidate.
I admit, I am not sure there is a defense for the "Have you stopped sexually harassing women yet?" line of attack, but what Cain is doing sure isn't it.
Posted by: Hrothgar at November 08, 2011 01:32 PM (i3+c5)
I don't give a shit, maybe he did cheat on his wife, maybe she FORGAVE him. I don't think this precludes his from being President instead of a SCOAMF. Some women are so evil, when they hit on a guy and he turns them down, they make shit up.
Posted by: madamex at November 08, 2011 01:32 PM (5+Fw+)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 01:32 PM (ggRof)
Cain loves Romney.
Cain rises
Cain falls.
Cain drops out and endorses Romney
Cainiacs don't see it coming and explode in a violent explosion so violently explosive I run out of repetitive uses of both words to describe the viosplosiveness.
Posted by: CAC at November 08, 2011 01:32 PM (Ugdnt)
Given that so many jumped at the chance to label the first woman to come forward publicly a money-grubbing lying whore, can you blame them for being reluctant to come forward?
To have their kids listen to what otherwise would've been ancient history?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2011 01:33 PM (SY2Kh)
I'm liking that too.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 01:33 PM (51YA7)
Posted by: Anony at November 08, 2011 01:33 PM (Yigvc)
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 01:33 PM (hIWe1)
Are you this dumb. Really? Pictures with someone on the campaign trail?
Posted by: Cherry pi at November 08, 2011 01:33 PM (OhYCU)
Okay, I need pictures or audio recordings or something because I have no reason to believe one over the other.
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 05:31 PM (HPcQF)
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Pffft! That's not how we roll up in here. The word of a money hungry bimbo and her low life attorney as as good as gold.
Gold, Dave.
Gold!
Posted by: Baroque at November 08, 2011 01:33 PM (B0LGd)
Posted by: ontherocks at November 08, 2011 01:33 PM (HBqDo)
Posted by: ladyingray at November 08, 2011 01:33 PM (nXWlD)
And that would completely exonerate Cain in your mind?
Posted by: Media Meat Hook at November 08, 2011 05:28 PM (lLeix)
That would sort of depend on what the evidence was, wouldn't it? Still, I trust people who don't try to conceal potentially critical information from me more than those who do, all other things being equal.
My evidence-analysis-fu tells me that the most likely answer is that he did do some things that could be considered objectionable, but that his accusers are likely exaggerating or adding to the story.
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 08, 2011 01:34 PM (MSCON)
And who he recalls was leaving his organization, and who he remembers having fucking meetings with, who reported to his VP.
I call bullshit on Cain: He is a lying liar.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 01:34 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 01:34 PM (14jKX)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2011 01:34 PM (JYheX)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 08, 2011 01:34 PM (21lBC)
Presuming the previous NRA settlements were really over things that he could have thought weren't harassment, and that there either was no stay, or at least no upgraded stay at the hotel, yes.
Right now we have no facts. What we have are women who have made allegations. Two of those have settlements which seem to suggest there was something there- maybe they were both misunderstandings, or money-seeking, or maybe they were real harassment. We don't know. One of those says he sexually assaulted her (without witnesses), but gave enough detail that we can test virtually all of the rest of her statement.
So, provide me with verified facts- verify that Bialek is lying about something, and show me that the "sexual harassment" complaints were "nothing," and I'll believe that she's a liar and the other two are just gold-diggers.
What we do have right now (on Cain's side) is a man doing everything we point to as "guilty behavior" when it's on the other side- shifting story, change the subject ("who leaked it?"), race card, and now "lawyering up" (though I still say that's actually a smart move, here). That makes Cain look more guilty- especially since he has not (until this presser, and I don't have any quotes from this presser, so I don't know here, either) actually specifically denied any specific part of the charge against him.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 01:34 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 08, 2011 01:35 PM (QxSug)
Remember no level of evidence ensures 100% certainty;
When determining whether an event occurred or not, once evidence makes the event more likely to have occurred than not, it has met a preponderance of the evidence. It is the weakest burden normally used in court and is applicable in civil suits.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 01:35 PM (0q2P7)
And don't forget Eric Holders testimony today about undermining our 2nd Amendment and being an accomplice in the killing of a border agent.
But I'm glad we have our priorities straight.
Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2011 05:26 PM (E9uDr)
Yep. Politically terminate Cain with extreme prejudice.
Nothing else matters.
Posted by: ErikW at November 08, 2011 01:35 PM (7TOuq)
Uh-oh---
We talked to this woman in the last hour, and you don't know what she said, what do you remember?
Posted by: Boone at November 08, 2011 01:35 PM (Jl3Mu)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 01:35 PM (14jKX)
Posted by: ladyingray at November 08, 2011 05:33 PM (nXWlD)
I can't say Bialek is truthful with a certainty, but can say I sure as hell know Cain is a liar.Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 01:35 PM (YiE0S)
@214
Oh jeebus, shut the fick up already.
I'm not even a Cain backer, but your bullshit is just that....bullshit.
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 01:35 PM (HPcQF)
Apparently, I don't know where my chin is.
Posted by: Herman Cain for America at November 08, 2011 01:35 PM (Jl3Mu)
Aw, now you just dismiss the court of public opinion? C'mon.
All the sudden conservatives, ie, Cain supporters, think that the electorate is going to be (a) fair to the GOP nominee and (b) is smart enough to do their homework on the candidates to see through fact vs. fiction?
Neat! With that thinking we're going to coast into the WH in 2012!
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 08, 2011 01:35 PM (iWb1o)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 01:35 PM (14jKX)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 08, 2011 01:36 PM (PYxvn)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 08, 2011 01:36 PM (i6RpT)
Cain drops out and endorses Romney
Cainiacs don't see it coming and explode in a violent explosion so violently explosive I run out of repetitive uses of both words to describe the viosplosiveness.
Cain is balls deep in Team Romney, that should be clear to anyone.
Posted by: Max Power at November 08, 2011 01:36 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at November 08, 2011 01:36 PM (6IV8T)
Gentlemen!
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 01:36 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: True Conservative Arbiters of Morality at November 08, 2011 01:36 PM (51YA7)
Posted by: Don Juan at November 08, 2011 01:36 PM (4lyzf)
If I am innocent of this, here is what I would have done in this press conference:
1. Take a polygraph test last night. Pass it.
2. Hand out copies of polygraph results to all in attendance at press conference.
3. Say, "I have never sexually harrassed any woman. Period. Here are the results of the polygraph test I took last night."
4. Say, "I suggest you all go ask each accuser to pass a similar polygraph test."
5. Say, "Thank you for coming."
Posted by: Kansas Gman at November 08, 2011 01:37 PM (u4a/I)
And don't forget Eric Holders testimony today about undermining our 2nd Amendment and being an accomplice in the killing of a border agent.
But I'm glad we have our priorities straight.
Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2011 05:26 PM (E9u===
BUT - BUT CAIN!!!eleventy!!!
Posted by: Baroque at November 08, 2011 01:37 PM (B0LGd)
Posted by: filbert at November 08, 2011 01:37 PM (smvTK)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2011 01:37 PM (JYheX)
I like Cain. This has destroyed him as a candidate, even if it's all bullshit. Sucks, but it's true.
So I'm trying to think up some positive path forward. Cain can help the future nominee (likely Romney) and stir up the base, in a underdog/fight back against the media style.
Everything about this just sucks.
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 08, 2011 01:37 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: realityman at November 08, 2011 01:37 PM (L2x1w)
Unless there's objective proof out there nailing him (or at least circumstantially so), then I think he's gained back some credibility with his voters.
And you people know where I stand on the whole Cain thing, so take this as an admission against interest or whatever.
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 01:37 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: The Jackhole at November 08, 2011 01:38 PM (nTgAI)
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Demands are so very conservative. Eat a bag of dicks.
Posted by: MJ at November 08, 2011 01:38 PM (BKOsZ)
Bachmann is now apparently calling on her 4 remaining supporters to start ramping up attacks on Cain.
At this rate we are going to wind up with Huntsman. Wasn't there a moron who actually liked Huntsman?
Posted by: CAC at November 08, 2011 01:38 PM (Ugdnt)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 08, 2011 01:38 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 08, 2011 01:38 PM (PYxvn)
Excellent point. Please direct me to the candidate that does not lie.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 01:38 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 01:39 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: major major major major at November 08, 2011 01:39 PM (utCAk)
Posted by: Jakob_B at November 08, 2011 01:39 PM (Ntund)
@ 214 Cain supporters: Repudiate this liar, or repudiate your own reputation for morals and honesty and decency. You have no other fucking choice.
You man bro?
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at November 08, 2011 01:39 PM (+inic)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at November 08, 2011 01:39 PM (o/UM0)
Basically, did anyone have to put some ice on it because it looks like it hurts?
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 08, 2011 05:35 PM (QxSug)
Are you ignorant or are you just a liar or are you fucking immoral when it comes to the treatment of women?
Other than trying to finger bang her without consent, he's accused of trying to press a woman's head into his lap in order to get him to blow him, and of asking her if she wants a job when she refuses.
Not harassment?
"Asking bitches back to your room."
You are a piece of shit. Giving 3 options above for what kind of human being you are was rhetorical.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 01:39 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Lincolntf at November 08, 2011 01:39 PM (Qjh0I)
Dude, I feel you. They told me not to demand to see the stained dress, but would I listen? Noooooooo.
Posted by: Slick Willy at November 08, 2011 01:40 PM (6TB1Z)
Jeebus Crisco, don't even think that!
Ace would be cranking out a 150,000-word post every day hour.
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 08, 2011 01:40 PM (HkOAc)
Ya think?
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 01:40 PM (YiE0S)
I agree that if Cain is lying, then he is a very good liar.
I know there has been much criticism of Cain for boneheaded gaffes and moves, but I find it hard to believe he would flat out lie, especially in view of the fact that he has lawyered up very well.
First thing I ask Cain when hired to represent him "Sir, is there any chance there may be a hotel receipt somewhere that reflects the room upgrade this woman mentioned?" He surely answered "No" otherwise his lawyer would not have allowed this particular press conference to happen.
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 01:41 PM (HPcQF)
Yes, as a matter of fact, I do.
We're talking about a man's dignity and reputation here. Some were willing to throw both right out the window on day one of this, because they were predisposed to oppose him on political grounds.
Well, I opposed him politically too. I still do. Don't want him as a nominee; it would be disastrous. Wreck him personally over a Nothingburger? No, I'm not interested in doing that. 'Cause believe it or not, I do like this man.
Show me the charges, and I'll care about these settlements.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 01:41 PM (51YA7)
Cain threw down the gauntlet. He said he doesn't know her, never got in a car with her, never took her out to dinner, nadda.
She is going to have to come up with some evidence that backs up her accusations or it goes away. I assume she will and we will get another couple of weeks of this crap.
Posted by: robtr at November 08, 2011 01:41 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 01:41 PM (51YA7)
Bad questions though, are there any real journalists left anymore.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2011 01:42 PM (JYheX)
That's true. I just find it unlikely that he would have used the NRA card to book her a hotel (given she'd just been canned) in the first place.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 01:42 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 08, 2011 01:42 PM (6uQOP)
251 Why does he defend Romney wbut jumped all over Perry????
BTW, I thought his attorney was great. Cain is doing good, too, but I don't get why Bachman, Pawlenty and now Cain keep sucking up to Romney. Are they afraid to say anything against him? It is weird.
Romney is a very, very, wealthy guy. .....Hundreds of millions of dollars are like an aphrodesiac.
Romney also owns Clear Channel Radio. .....Which adds to his power.
So. .....Not so weird.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at November 08, 2011 01:42 PM (ZQK1u)
BTW, I thought his attorney was great. Cain is doing good, too, but I don't get why Bachman, Pawlenty and now Cain keep sucking up to Romney. Are they afraid to say anything against him? It is weird.
Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at November 08, 2011 05:36 PM (6IV8T)
Hell, yeah, they're afraid to say anything against him...they're all wheelin' and dealin' with Mittens for their supporters because all but Cain's campaign are already on life support, and Cain's is just before it.
Posted by: antisocialist at November 08, 2011 01:42 PM (DMvUp)
Until I see a positive paternity test, a police report, or a cum stained dress, I'm going to have to default on judgement.
Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2011 01:43 PM (JheO3)
The right................buncha stinkin' RINOs.
Posted by: Slick Willy at November 08, 2011 01:43 PM (6TB1Z)
Excuse me, but isn't evidence another word for fact. Please tell me what the preponderance of evidence is.
Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2011 05:31 PM (E9uDr)
Evidence is a fact or facts that point towards a conclusion, at least in my discipline. When it is limited or of uncertain reliability, one sometimes has to make a judgement based on where on thinks the majority of evidence points.
My point was that there probably isn't going to be some smoking gun which vindicates one side or another.
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 08, 2011 01:43 PM (MSCON)
Don't know whether the allegations are true or false, but Cain didn't impress.
Posted by: angler at November 08, 2011 01:43 PM (SwjAj)
(I'm not sure if "rapper" is even the right word - they could play his songs on the radio back in the day).
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 08, 2011 01:44 PM (iWb1o)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 05:41 PM (51YA7)
No way!
Posted by: antisocialist at November 08, 2011 01:44 PM (DMvUp)
Posted by: Rickey Henderson at November 08, 2011 01:44 PM (JheO3)
If anyone's going third-party, she is.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 01:44 PM (51YA7)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at November 08, 2011 01:45 PM (AF1jB)
Posted by: av at November 08, 2011 01:45 PM (iSFyV)
Posted by: observer at November 08, 2011 01:45 PM (XjePY)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 08, 2011 01:45 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 08, 2011 01:45 PM (21lBC)
I have asked a good dozen times now, "Whose money was used for the (alleged) upgrade?"
'Cause I don't think it was Cain's.
He stiffed women on paying for $400 worth of wine he chose to order, when it was clear he wasn't going to get any out of the deal.
I think Cain knows whose budget was used for the upgrade, possibly the NRA, and they would have to be the ones to authorize to release the records. In other words, I suspect Cain was not only doing something along the lines of what he's accused of, but was also inappropriately using company funds to do so.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 01:46 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 08, 2011 01:46 PM (PYxvn)
Become the 'Love Candidate.'
Every campaign appearance could be dimly lit, rose petals on the seats, fine couvoisier for all the ladies. Come out dressed in lounging pajamas. Explains tax policy in a whispered, throaty growl.
His campaign song could be by Barry White.
Take that gender gap right out.
Posted by: nickless at November 08, 2011 01:46 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Cain's Lawyer at November 08, 2011 05:27 PM (MMC8r)
I can't stop laughing.
Posted by: by the Sasha Grey for Senate Campaign at November 08, 2011 01:46 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Gonzman at November 08, 2011 01:46 PM (AKlwH)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 08, 2011 05:38 PM (QcFbt)
Hey, there's only room for one of us under my tin foil dome fer chrissakes!
Posted by: ontherocks at November 08, 2011 01:47 PM (HBqDo)
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 08, 2011 01:47 PM (QxSug)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at November 08, 2011 05:39 PM (o/UM0)
Instead, you want him to cop to it even if it isn't true?
Shit, the poor bastard can't please you no matter what he does. Unless he quits, endorses Mutt Romney and then commits suicide.
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 08, 2011 01:48 PM (HkOAc)
i don't know who to believe about what transpired, credible or not.
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 01:48 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at November 08, 2011 01:48 PM (o/UM0)
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 05:32 PM (YiE0S)
False dichotomy, check. Idiotic ultimatum, check. Alinsky tactic of forcing your ideological enemy to live up to their own values, check.
Solid B+
If only you'd sprinkled a few accusations of racism.
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat #ABR then #ABO at November 08, 2011 01:48 PM (4136b)
If I am innocent of this, here is what I would have done in this press conference:
1. Take a polygraph test last night. Pass it.
2. Hand out copies of polygraph results to all in attendance at press conference.
3. Say, "I have never sexually harrassed any woman. Period. Here are the results of the polygraph test I took last night."
4. Say, "I suggest you all go ask each accuser to pass a similar polygraph test."
5. Say, "Thank you for coming."
Polygraphs are voodoo. I know, law enforcement uses them all of the time but nevertheless they are voodoo.
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 08, 2011 01:49 PM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: catmman at November 08, 2011 01:49 PM (DTzwU)
Our only hope now is that we get both the House & Senate because if it comes down to Romney, we're going to have another McCain vs. Obama race and whoever wins, we're screwed.
This conservative on conservative knee-capping will also hamstring the Tea Party which was probably the best thing to happen to conservatism in a very long time.
Posted by: Baroque at November 08, 2011 01:49 PM (B0LGd)
This is JUST like Arnolds run for governor. "All these rowdy movie sets." LOL Yeah, he said more people will come forward but he's innocent?
Posted by: Max Power at November 08, 2011 01:49 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Marie at November 08, 2011 01:49 PM (P9OJs)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 08, 2011 01:49 PM (6uQOP)
Have the RNC offer to provide a polygraph test for Ms. Bialek, registered Republican. Then publish the results. And let us judge for ourselves. Including whether the refuses to take it.
I think that wd help separate a lot of wheat from the chaff, IMHO.
Why would she agree to a polygraph if Cain refuses to do the same?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2011 01:49 PM (SY2Kh)
I'd prefer this wasn't the only news here (F&F, Iran, OWS, ad nauseam), but hey--it ain't my blog.
Posted by: jwpaine at November 08, 2011 01:50 PM (FUozQ)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 08, 2011 01:50 PM (PYxvn)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 01:50 PM (ggRof)
Posted by: maddogg at November 08, 2011 01:50 PM (OlN4e)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 08, 2011 01:50 PM (21lBC)
Posted by: Barry White at November 08, 2011 01:50 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 08, 2011 01:50 PM (deaac)
even my more moderate wife liked him so much she may become a supporter
He was awful, but he had a god damned deep gravelly voice and "charisma" so I'm sure you and your wife thought he was bloody awesome.
He kept on saying he didn't remember ever seeing a woman who he later says he actually remembered when she was leaving his company!
Ponder that for a moment.
He said he saw her in meetings, that she reported to his VP, and he had interactions at NRA HQ while they both worked there. She ALSO walked up to him over a month ago, put his arms around him, and was heard and seen having an intense interaction with him, by a woman who later stormed off.
But no, when he saw her with Allred, he didn't remember seeing that woman before.
He also said he'd be willing to take a fucking lie detector test! Several times. And then said he won't take a lie detector test. But is willing to.
This is what qualifies for good in you and your wife's eyes?
Well he does have a deep voice and powerful body language.
For what it's worth.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 01:51 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: 6.99 Billion People Who Don't Read AoSHQ at November 08, 2011 01:51 PM (51YA7)
I agree with you there, but the direct push back, I thought did him well.
Anyway, I'm for Newt, if he can just get past those cancer-laden divorce papers.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2011 01:51 PM (JYheX)
That will either stop this or continue it.
Her name is Karen somethingorother.
Posted by: by the Sasha Grey for Senate Campaign at November 08, 2011 01:51 PM (piMMO)
But I'm not a lawyer so wtf do I know.
Whole thing is just snowballing into a big shitstorm...
And why has it snowballed into a big shitstorm?
For the same reason that the Weiner affair did- they both handled the matter terribly and in such a manner that made them look more, not less guilty of impropriety with every interview and press conference.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2011 01:52 PM (SY2Kh)
Members of the press, this is my brother Herb. We used to keep him locked in the attic because he never could keep away from petting all the pretty ladies, but now the secret has to come out...
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 01:52 PM (hcRMI)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 08, 2011 01:52 PM (deaac)
Slow your roll, dude. I still think the guy's guilty too. But it was a good performance. You have to be detached in your analysis of these things.
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 01:52 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 08, 2011 01:52 PM (6uQOP)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at November 08, 2011 01:52 PM (OL4L4)
Sorry if that messes up your narratives, folks.
He may be lying as hell, but he passed the test.
Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 08, 2011 05:50 PM (deaac)
You are a fucking idiot. The press are going to tear him apart based on his answers in that conference.Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 01:52 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2011 01:53 PM (JheO3)
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet, full of cliches at November 08, 2011 01:53 PM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: MrScribbler at November 08, 2011 05:48 PM (HkOAc)
I don't recommend that.
Posted by: R. Bud Dwyer at November 08, 2011 01:53 PM (jucos)
Sorry if that messes up your narratives, folks.
He may be lying as hell, but he passed the test.
Flying colors? Really?
It seems folks on either side of the line are desperate to see only what they want to see.
Posted by: by the Sasha Grey for Senate Campaign at November 08, 2011 01:53 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 08, 2011 01:53 PM (PYxvn)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 01:53 PM (zLeKL)
MaxMBJ at November 08, 2011 05:52 PM (deaac)
exactly!! that press release earlier spoke of this woman in glowing terms!!! oh, wait....
Posted by: chas at November 08, 2011 01:54 PM (TKF1Y)
Posted by: Pecos Bill at November 08, 2011 01:55 PM (j84s0)
@357
Why don't we start with seeing if a receipt showing an upgrade exists at the hotel the woman claims it happened at on the date she claims it happened?
Then we can talk about the actual receipt, if one exists.
Posted by: Andrew Breitbart at November 08, 2011 01:55 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 08, 2011 01:55 PM (deaac)
Random's a scab! NO ON 2!!!
Posted by: United Brotherhood of Psychotic Douchebags, Local #303 at November 08, 2011 01:55 PM (51YA7)
Posted by: Jimmah at November 08, 2011 01:56 PM (dW0Dp)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 01:56 PM (pixXL)
Posted by: Soap MacTavish at November 08, 2011 05:53 PM (vbh31)
yeah reminds me when the chic was intimating she might run.
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 01:56 PM (h+qn8)
Now, the Treasury employee who has the goods on him will speak later. He is done.
And his greasy Southern-Fried shithole lawyer screamed it.
Posted by: Buck Hayek at November 08, 2011 01:56 PM (z0HdK)
I will cast down the walls of Babylon for all to see the huge horse cock of Cain's ickiness! You will bow before me!!!!!!!
I am the Alpha and the Omega!!111!!
Posted by: Random Seizure at November 08, 2011 01:57 PM (B0LGd)
365"Why would she agree to a polygraph if Cain refuses to do the same?"
Because she's the one making the accusation, and therefore has the burden of proof. Not to mention waiting 14 years.
---
Exactly. Get them all on Springer and settle it once and for all.
Posted by: Jimmah at November 08, 2011 01:57 PM (dW0Dp)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 08, 2011 01:57 PM (deaac)
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 01:57 PM (h+qn8)
This blog.
You know nothing's keeping you here if it's really that bad.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 08, 2011 01:58 PM (iWb1o)
Oh, and he undermined himself in that press conference, with charisma and style.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 01:58 PM (YiE0S)
Lie detectors are an interrogation technique. They do not detect lies.
Ever have one done to you? I have, as part of an pre-employment screening. 8 Hours of a sick person asking about 'sex with farm animals' and how he just did an exam on a fireman who was spending half his salary on hookers.. and that if I just admitted I did the same, he could help me. right. 8 hours of that kind of stuff. Lame techniques to get you to admit to really sick stuff, which you're not even there for. Anyway. I used to be gung ho on the lie detector thing until I had one done to me. Its nothing but an interrogation with someone making 'accusatory' shots in the dark to something you may have done in the past. And that was just an employment screening! ha
Cain should not fall for this crap. Lie detectors are not what the public thinks they are.
Posted by: Ian Uribe at November 08, 2011 01:58 PM (bcmD0)
Posted by: by the Sasha Grey for Senate Campaign at November 08, 2011 05:51 PM (piMMO)
Does she have nice tits?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at November 08, 2011 01:58 PM (3vSLn)
Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at November 08, 2011 01:58 PM (5Wl/f)
She's made very specific claims, including that he upgraded her room, which could be verified.
Unlikely.
If she had an upgrade, it would show on her credit card (or the boyfriend's card, which she claims she used) only if she was charged for it. She could have gotten an upgrade because she asked for it, the clerk liked her, her room wasn't ready, as a part of the Honors program or whatever they have at that hotel, etc. Only if Cain paid the price difference between her regular room and the "palatial suite" and the hotel still has a record of payments made in 1997 (doubtful) showing payment was made on Cain's card would that "verify" her story.
As for Cain proving a negative (that there was no charge on his card at the relevant time), it also seems a stretch--who remembers what credit cards they were using in 1997? And even if there is no charge, she still could say he got her the upgrade but wasn't billed for it.
Posted by: LAsue at November 08, 2011 01:59 PM (pWeX5)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at November 08, 2011 01:59 PM (OL4L4)
Except it's not just her. We know that at least two other women made complaints 14 years ago.
With four women making accusations and Cain's behavior (i.e. that of a guilty person), he has a responsibility to go further than blanket denials and counter-accusations.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2011 01:59 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 05:57 PM (h+qn
now that is just heartless
Posted by: The Dude at November 08, 2011 02:00 PM (M8yfa)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at November 08, 2011 02:00 PM (o/UM0)
No, actually I'm not an effing idiot. You, on the other hand ...
Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 08, 2011 05:57 PM (deaac)
Morons, please, stop the arguing.
You're both fucking idiots.
Posted by: nickless at November 08, 2011 02:00 PM (MMC8r)
it's the total smear thing i can't stand watching.
our guys are next!
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 02:00 PM (h+qn8)
Everyone understands polygraphs are useless and unreliable as lie detectors, right?
I mean, there is a good reason polygraph results are NOT admissable in court.
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 02:00 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 08, 2011 02:00 PM (deaac)
Okay- I still find it hard to believe Cain would have used NRA funds to upgrade it. Better? The point is you don't use company funds to host someone the company just fired.
Now, it's also possible that the NRA was a good enough customer of the hotel (frequent bookings for consultants, guests, etc.) that he could call up and just say, "Hey, there's a woman booked in room X, can you upgrade her please?" and if they had an empty room they would do so.
There's not an easy way out of this for Cain. It would have been easier for him if he'd confronted this "head on" from the beginning. Now he's going to have to do some leg-work.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 02:00 PM (8y9MW)
Well put. My conclusion is that Cain's a sociopath.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 02:00 PM (YiE0S)
Miranda Lambert called and she wants her forehead back.
well played. Although, I was in it for the wordplay not the starlet.
Stoya is foreign born, so I had to call an audible.
Posted by: garrett at November 08, 2011 02:00 PM (JheO3)
If that story about stiffing the chicks for the price of two $400 bottles of wine is true, he probably upgraded the room and charged it to her fiance's credit card.
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 08, 2011 02:01 PM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: steevy at November 08, 2011 02:01 PM (7WJOC)
Posted by: Less at November 08, 2011 02:01 PM (PGXeZ)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 08, 2011 02:01 PM (deaac)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 08, 2011 02:01 PM (6uQOP)
Oh c'mon. We all know Obama is the only sociopath in the race.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 08, 2011 02:02 PM (iWb1o)
Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at November 08, 2011 02:02 PM (5Wl/f)
Why you no like Romney?
Posted by: Dustin at November 08, 2011 05:56 PM (rQ/Ue)
I disagree with you on a shitload of things but props to you for bringing the Y U No guy here
Posted by: CAC at November 08, 2011 02:02 PM (Ugdnt)
After he retired admitted he used steroids.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2011 02:02 PM (JYheX)
Posted by: Random Seizure at November 08, 2011 02:02 PM (B0LGd)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 08, 2011 02:03 PM (deaac)
it's the total smear thing i can't stand watching.
our guys are next!
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 06:00 PM (h+qn
Only if you're using a time machine
Posted by: WaPo hitjob about a racist rock at November 08, 2011 02:03 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Deuces Wild at November 08, 2011 02:03 PM (vFVJi)
Because they're frustrated that they first had to watch McCain get the nomination, lose to Obama, and now face the prospect of Romney getting nominated thanks to sub-par performances by the other candidates, many of whom themselves are weak and/or unelectable.
They're grasping at straws, and their fingers landed on Cain. It wasn't a rational, well reasoned decision but more of an emotional response.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2011 02:03 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at November 08, 2011 02:03 PM (OL4L4)
@401
I'd say some serious "legwork" was performed BEFORE the presser.
Cain has a damn good lawyer. I find it hard to believe his counsel would let him say what he said if there was the remotest possibility hard evidence might contradict him.
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 02:03 PM (HPcQF)
Drink the perry flavor aid I just believe him
Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 08, 2011 06:01 PM (6uQOP)
considering Perry has no shot anyways for the nom, what is the point?
Posted by: The Dude at November 08, 2011 02:04 PM (M8yfa)
Or better yet on Geraldo with plenty of folding chairs.
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 08, 2011 02:04 PM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 08, 2011 02:04 PM (QxSug)
Wha?!
The ruling was made by a conservative judicial icon appointed by Reagan.
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 02:04 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: av at November 08, 2011 02:04 PM (iSFyV)
Already has his numbers down. If he is innocent he's gonna have to change his tactics because they are not working.
Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at November 08, 2011 02:05 PM (5Wl/f)
See ya, Cain! We don't need this.
Posted by: Buck Hayek at November 08, 2011 02:05 PM (z0HdK)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 08, 2011 02:05 PM (i6RpT)
Now we are back to he-said/she-said: But with some differences. Some of the events should produce evidence.
And so the distraction continues. For those accusers who haven't spoken up yet and given detailed accounts. I no longer care what you have to say.
Any chance that we can get back to bashing the left? For just a little bit?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 02:05 PM (0q2P7)
If staunch conservatives are the cat's meow, you'd think they could field a credible candidate.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 02:05 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: av at November 08, 2011 06:04 PM (iSFyV)
Especially one who "fakes" a B cup.
I mean really.
I'd have more respect for her if she went to a classy FF.
If you are going to fake it, flaunt it.
Posted by: CAC at November 08, 2011 02:06 PM (Ugdnt)
@419
A single credible witness with some corroboration.
You know, something other than apparently baseless claims.
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 02:06 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: Random Seizure at November 08, 2011 02:06 PM (B0LGd)
And I find it hard to believe that he had 10 freaking days to get his story straight when he was told the first two allegations were breaking and he bumblefucked around on that that for about 2 straight days.
He only referred to himself in the 3rd person about 12 times. I'm thinking that he's not quite there mentally. Not a sociopath as someone said above, but he's not playing with a a full deck of cards.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 08, 2011 02:06 PM (iWb1o)
Good question really. Based on their comments (the more rational ones, anyway) I'd say one or two- as long as they could be proven to be as pure as the wind-driven snow.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 02:06 PM (8y9MW)
Where to start....
...how about your superior tone that is backed by nothing other than your own ego...
...and your ramping up the criticism of others to an "11" without much reason.
I have an idea. Stop shooting your mouth off so much and you will start sounding less like an asshole.
Just a thought! :LOL:
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at November 08, 2011 02:06 PM (3vSLn)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 08, 2011 02:06 PM (i6RpT)
well played. Although, I was in it for the wordplay not the starlet.
Stoya is foreign born, so I had to call an audible.
In know. but I couldn't think of a punchy comeback for that one.
Posted by: by the Sasha Grey for Senate Campaign at November 08, 2011 02:07 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 02:07 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: buzzion at November 08, 2011 02:08 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 08, 2011 06:05 PM (i6RpT)
I believe he's incapable of feeling guilt. And he has a narcissistic, grandiose opinion of himself. It's served him well, but ... not for long. Not after that disaster of a press conference, where he performed magnificently and lied stupidly.Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 02:08 PM (YiE0S)
Amazing that Cain criticism is even more fun for the MBM than joo bashing!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at November 08, 2011 02:08 PM (3vSLn)
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 06:00 PM (YiE0S)
Your conclusion? Cross your heart fuckwad?
Posted by: ontherocks at November 08, 2011 02:08 PM (HBqDo)
I just don't get it. Why are so many people so desperate to hang on to Cain. He really never had a chance at the nomination. Now people are willing to believe anything he says, when he's coherent.Believe me more Women are going to come out of the woodwork. He needs to go home and stop humiliating his family.Slime away..
I was never all in for Cain and before any of these accusations came out was actually leaning towards Newt, I still don't know who I want, none of them make my nipples hard. But this is BS what is happening to Cain.. if he is indeed innocent and I am leaning in the "I believe him" camp. It's tragic to see a mans character completely destroyed, let alone any hope of ever running for office again. Before everyone jumps up an down and just KNOWS he is guilty think about it. He will NEVER get his reputation back. I find it odd too, that all of these allegations are when he was heading the NRA. If he is such a fucking letch, how come no stories when he headed up Burger King? Or Pillsbury? Or any other place he ever worked?
Posted by: jewells45..teapartyterrorist at November 08, 2011 02:08 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 08, 2011 06:05 PM (i6RpT)
After which, we can actually start making some real progress towards discovering the truth. Too bad they dodn't do that at the beginning of this mess.
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 08, 2011 02:08 PM (MSCON)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2011 02:08 PM (JYheX)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 08, 2011 02:08 PM (PYxvn)
Posted by: Splinterhead at November 08, 2011 02:08 PM (ZtJ74)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 02:08 PM (pixXL)
Posted by: CAC at November 08, 2011 06:02 PM (Ugdnt)"
There's room in the tent for both of us, I imagine, due to the widespread view that Obama is a SCOAMF.
Posted by: Dustin at November 08, 2011 02:08 PM (rQ/Ue)
What was the thrust of the opinion? Why does he think the Federal Government should be able to tell me to purchase broccoli?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 02:08 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at November 08, 2011 02:08 PM (6uQOP)
Mediocrity rises to the top in politics!
Posted by: Random Seizure at November 08, 2011 02:09 PM (B0LGd)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at November 08, 2011 02:09 PM (o/UM0)
Posted by: His former gf at November 08, 2011 02:09 PM (kaalw)
Posted by: Steve at November 08, 2011 02:09 PM (RH07B)
Unfortunately, that also means nobody is paying attention to F&F or Obamaare.
Posted by: by the Sasha Grey for Senate Campaign at November 08, 2011 02:10 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 02:10 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: LAsue at November 08, 2011 02:10 PM (pWeX5)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 02:10 PM (14jKX)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2011 06:08 PM (JYheX)
I don't have faith that the USSC will strike it down, remember McCain-Feingold?
Posted by: KG at November 08, 2011 02:11 PM (LD21B)
Cain may or may not have said something naughty to someone. Is this really that big of a fucking deal that this entire site has to start sucking tabloid dick over it?
Christ. Move on.
Posted by: Rob K. at November 08, 2011 02:11 PM (cpr0i)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 08, 2011 02:11 PM (deaac)
Granting them benevolent motives (I know, I know) they could have been trying to get him to bow out gracefully.
Yeah.. no... that just doesn't fly.
Like I said- both sides keep acting like they're the one lying. It's like that puzzle about the guards in front of two doors- one leads out of the maze, the other to certain death. On guard can only tell the truth, the other can only lie, and you only get one question. EXCEPT, in this case, both of the guards can only lie.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 02:11 PM (8y9MW)
Now we tend to prefer those shiny red Solo cups.
Posted by: by the Sasha Grey for Senate Campaign at November 08, 2011 02:12 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 02:12 PM (14jKX)
Posted by: USNA1985 at November 08, 2011 02:12 PM (U3TDy)
Any chance that we can get back to bashing the left? For just a little bit?
Eh, that's boring. They expect it of us, and either ignore or deliberately misunderstand us.
But when we bash each other, it gets a reaction. There's often a genuine emotion of betrayal and wounded surprise. It's just way more fun.
Posted by: sandy burger at November 08, 2011 02:12 PM (HfydS)
I mean really.
I'd have more respect for her if she went to a classy FF.
If you are going to fake it, flaunt it.
Eh....B cup? ....Looked more like a double-D to me.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at November 08, 2011 02:13 PM (ZQK1u)
Yes, considering Romney will lose the election, what is the point?
Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at November 08, 2011 02:13 PM (HtUdo)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 02:13 PM (14jKX)
...and your ramping up the criticism of others to an "11" without much reason.
How about you notice that his lies were ridiculous and transparent, to those with functioning brains.
He had never seen that woman before, with Allred.
Except that:
He hugged her a little over a month ago and had a brief, intense conversation with her, after which she stormed off.
He remembers when she left his company, for goodness sakes.
He had meetings with her and she reported to his VP.
He had other interactions with her at NRA.
But never saw her before.
And he's totally willing to take a lie detector test. Completely willing. But he won't. Except he's willing.
Fuck. People, seriously. He had well creased trousers and wonderful deliver. Man, James Earl Jones and Humphrey Bogart would be impressed. And now the press is going to rip him apart based on his ridiculous, contradictory, lying answers.
And to those who support such a dishonest man, who behaves so reprehensibly by a growing number of accounts ... well you are what you are.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 02:13 PM (YiE0S)
We don't want to sap Obama's steam right now, we want to hit that hard around May I think.
I would like to save the big push on F&F for another 5 months anyway. Obamacare is the gift that keeps on giving every month so we will always have that when we need it.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 02:13 PM (0q2P7)
What is sad is to see other (ostensibly) conservative people jumping on the MSM's bandwagon when we know they will go to any lengths to destroy anyone who isn't the JEF.
Regardless of whether you like Cain or not as a candidate, he doesn't deserve this not does he deserve other conservatives bringing out the knives to aid the MSM.
In the end, we're going to get the candidate we deserve.
Posted by: Baroque at November 08, 2011 02:14 PM (B0LGd)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 02:14 PM (zLeKL)
Cain doesn't look like he could do that.
Is it can't fit we must acquit.
Posted by: NortonPete at November 08, 2011 02:15 PM (8zxoH)
What we are missing is the OWS, they may or may not be around in 6 months, so we should be capitalizing on them to sap the lefts support from independents.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 02:15 PM (0q2P7)
I say this in a spirit of loving kindness.
Fuck You.
First, off, they've already smeared "my" candidate (or tried to) he handled it fairly well, really. Secondly: of course they're going to smear our candidates. Only a complete idiot would believe otherwise.
1) That has nothing to do with the veracity of these claims.
2) That really suggests that "crisis management" should be a freshman level course for a politician, doesn't it? One that Herman Cain seems to have failed. Or at least gotten an Incomplete.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 02:15 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 08, 2011 02:15 PM (QcFbt)
When the hell did that happen? When he became pro choice? Pro right of return? Pro quid pro quo?
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 02:15 PM (YiE0S)
And this.
Posted by: by the Sasha Grey for Senate Campaign at November 08, 2011 02:16 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 06:00 PM (YiE0S)
You have no idea how close you are to a job blogging over at Time.
Simply add the following to your post, and you too can be a big-time media personality on snicker MSNBC.
My conclusion is that Big Daddy Cain is an unctuous sociopath who constantly mollifies racist crackers.See how easy that is!!!
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat #ABR then #ABO at November 08, 2011 02:16 PM (4136b)
And you people thought you had it bad with me.
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 02:16 PM (hIWe1)
If the guy was constantly hitting on women, then he must have been successful with SOME of them - no? For every bunch of women who were offended and refused, surely some went along to get promoted or whatever? He's such a horndog, always on the prowl, yet there's no Herman Cain affair scandal? Why? You would think he would be having woman after woman the way he allegedly behaves. Something does not add up.
Is it possible that Cain just likes the innuendo and flirting, the intimacy (dinners, etc), but never actually has sex with the women? As strange as that sounds, given what we know, it would fit.
Also, why aren't there accusations from before and after his time at the NRA? That doesn't make sense either. A guy doesn't just behave like that for a few years - and not in the years before/after his NRA stint.
I stand by my claim that Herman Cain is not being truthful. He is not fully disclosing. To me, that is the most obvious part of this entire silly affair. He has contradicted himself many times and he just won't answer the questions in a straightforward fashion. He is deflecting and distracting too. Nope. Cain is definitely not telling the truth. But what is he hiding?
What IS the truth here? That he's a lonely man who maybe has a rich inner fantasy world? That he doesn't realize how women perceive his comments and behaviour? That he's a lech? A womanizer - though no affairs/mistress?
The truth is most likely something in-between all the stories.
Posted by: mike bell at November 08, 2011 02:16 PM (Kz6PE)
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 06:15 PM (YiE0S)
Random, you're a cocksucking piece of shit.
Die in a fucking fire, shitstain.
Posted by: Baroque at November 08, 2011 02:17 PM (B0LGd)
I'll ask it again. Please direct me to the "honest" candidate. I'd like someone better, but the field is a little weak.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 02:17 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 08, 2011 02:17 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: Herm Marion Cain Barry at November 08, 2011 02:17 PM (iWb1o)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 08, 2011 02:18 PM (i6RpT)
>>>And to those who support such a dishonest man, who behaves so reprehensibly by a growing number of accounts ... well you are what you are.
Seriously dude, leave the splenetic outrage to the long-time pros.
Posted by: Jeff B., Professionally Outraged Conservative Poster at November 08, 2011 02:18 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: LAsue at November 08, 2011 05:59 PM (pWeX5)
I do. And, I still have the receipts for every business charge, and most personal ones.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at November 08, 2011 02:19 PM (fCkqS)
Yeah how's that go. You know your a ***** when....
When you make Jeff B look likable.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 02:19 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2011 02:19 PM (JYheX)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at November 08, 2011 02:19 PM (o/UM0)
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 06:08 PM (pixXL)
He is not. He leans towards a conclusion that many here don't like, but he at least tries to be fair. A lot of people here, many of whom should know better, don't read well or try to understand what the other person is trying to say, and run rough-shod over a nuanced argument in order to denounce what they think they other person is arguing. I have been on the wrong end of such an exchange myself, and see it happen all the time in the comments.
The problem is that when one defends oneself against such attacks, the tendency is to end up defending the position that the other side assigns you instead of the one which you actually believe. That is what is happening with Ace, I think: he gets angry at being called names by a bunch of manichaenistic fatheads, and doubles down, getting more people angry at him, which leads to more arguing, etc., etc. He seems to be avoiding the comments now, which is probably a good thing.
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 08, 2011 02:20 PM (MSCON)
Posted by: Jeff B., Professionally Outraged Conservative Poster at November 08, 2011 06:18 PM (hIWe1)
Jeff B. was (coherently) raging here when Random was still gobbling hobo cock to earn enough change for net cafe time.
Posted by: Baroque at November 08, 2011 02:20 PM (B0LGd)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 02:21 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 08, 2011 02:21 PM (deaac)
Posted by: Jeff B., Professionally Outraged Conservative Poster at November 08, 2011 06:18 PM (hIWe1)
Thanks for the new word!
Merriam-Webster is my friend.
Posted by: ErikW at November 08, 2011 02:21 PM (OFb00)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 08, 2011 02:22 PM (ZDUD4)
Thank God for Herman Cain, that's all I'm sayin'.
Posted by: Jerry Sandusky at November 08, 2011 02:22 PM (jAqTK)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 08, 2011 02:23 PM (QcFbt)
He did do it on purpose though, but sexual harassment, can't women fart to?
Posted by: NortonPete at November 08, 2011 02:23 PM (8zxoH)
Posted by: Ohio Dan at November 08, 2011 02:23 PM (JKNDp)
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 06:16 PM (hIWe1)
Jeff, you're cute in a twisty way, and you are willing to admit your faults , and over exuberance after the dust has settled.
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 02:23 PM (h+qn8)
But yeah...
Except for right this second, if you could substantiate it, you could prolly get about six figures from somebody for it.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 02:23 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 08, 2011 02:23 PM (deaac)
491.....First, off, they've already smeared "my" candidate (or tried to) he handled it fairly well, really.
Yeah, AllenG. .....I really don't think that there will be any 'bimbo erruptions' with Perry.
If they were to happen, it would get resolved rather quickly. Mrs. Perry would just track them down and beat the shit out of them. .....Or shoot them.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at November 08, 2011 02:23 PM (ZQK1u)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 02:24 PM (zLeKL)
I still think there's some real 'there' there. In fact, he may well be lying through his teeth about everything he said at this press conference.
But he seemed honest. I mean, I have pretty long-term experience watching lying politicians, and if he's lying then he's the best we've seen since Bill Clinton. Maybe he's pathologically good at it. Maybe. Maybe it's possible that the allegations are true, but he's somehow CONVINCED himself he's innocent, which makes it easy for him to lie so convincingly. But I gotta tell you, as a guy who has been as up-front as anybody about thinking Cain was guilty, his performance today gave me pause. He seemed genuine. "Seemed" is a subjective term, of course, but then again...remember Dominique Strauss-Kahn? Every single one of us had practically sent him to the electric chair before it finally emerged that the entire charge was a fraud, a shakedown. So it does make one wonder.
I guess I'm waiting for more shoes to drop. Cain committed himself heavily here, and Kraushaar and the other women may now come out in retaliation for his dismissal of their claims as being 'baseless.' Maybe more evidence emerges that sinks him. I STILL think he's done some rather hinky stuff...you don't accumulate 4+ accusers without anything to the charges whatsoever.
But his supporters will be buoyed by this performance, and rightly so: because he came across well.
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 02:24 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Paul at November 08, 2011 02:24 PM (DsHk0)
@518
Why I am bothering to ask, I really don't know, but how is a fart "sexual?
Harassment I can understand, but sexy?
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 02:24 PM (HPcQF)
I meant the weak (not-Romney) candidates this cycle.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2011 02:24 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 06:15 PM (YiE0S)
You need to lose the random nic and try something more appropriate like onetrickpony or repetitiousasshole or migraine.
Gawd help us! Go the fuck away and give it a rest!
Posted by: ontherocks at November 08, 2011 02:24 PM (HBqDo)
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 02:25 PM (h+qn8)
You're absolutely right. If this were a courtroom. It's not. It's public opinion. And, believe it or not, if we really could come up with 100 women who claimed to have been harassed by Barack Obama, who is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure, and they did not immediately look untrustworthy, it would bring down his administration. At the very least, he'd seriously have to deal with it.
But we don't do that. Because it's wrong.
So, in the court of public opinion: yes, 100 women (or even just one or two more, really) are probably enough that- even in some of his supporters' eyes- that much accusation = proof.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 02:25 PM (8y9MW)
The more I hear Cain speak, the less I like him.
The guy gives me the heeby jeebies.
And since we're going on what we "know" in our hearts ... my gut tells me that this guy is a grade-A skeeze.
But worse, I think he's pretty much a dumbass.
I'm pulling for Newt at this point, but I'd settle for Perry or Romney.
Posted by: Warden at November 08, 2011 02:25 PM (1fil+)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 06:14 PM (zLeKL)
It is the current equivalent of calling someone a Nazi. It means - "I disagree with you but am unable or unwilling to argue rationally."
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 08, 2011 02:25 PM (MSCON)
@27: "Cain's lawyer: My client has been attacked by conjecture and innuendo. We will thus defend him with conjecture and innuendo."
Innuendo...Hey, did you ladies know that that is Italian for suppository? Ladies?
Posted by: Herman Cain at November 08, 2011 02:26 PM (jAqTK)
Maria Cardona, a dem operative is the one that first hired Karen Kraushaar after she left the NRA and has been in constant contact with her. She works for CNN as a Dem analyist. I would bet that is where the first tip to Politico came from.
Posted by: robtr at November 08, 2011 02:26 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 08, 2011 02:26 PM (deaac)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 08, 2011 02:26 PM (i6RpT)
@525
I keep seeing reference to Bill Clinton being an exceedingly good liar.
Really? How many people actually ever thought that?
The jackass was the poorest excuse for a liar I have ever seen on the national stage.
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 02:27 PM (HPcQF)
I wonder how much information is in those 2 settlements. Do they detail the accusations against Cain? What if there is some odd quirk in them that we don't know about, but its there in both cases and is also something several other accusers without settlements claim he did but they would not have known what was contained in the settlements?
Posted by: buzzion at November 08, 2011 02:27 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 02:27 PM (zLeKL)
but his warts?
maybe they are so well known people will just yawn and vote for him?
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 02:28 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 02:28 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at November 08, 2011 02:28 PM (deaac)
Posted by: nevergiveup at November 08, 2011 02:29 PM (i6RpT)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2011 02:29 PM (JYheX)
Both charming, both charismatic, both sociopaths.
And it bothers me to see people siding with him. It's hardly new though. Your average powerful charming alpha-male sex-harassing or worse sociopath has never had trouble keeping supporters and admirers, have they? It just seems to be how things are.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 02:30 PM (YiE0S)
What would it take to substantiate it? Timestamped 8mm video? Nah- that could be faked.
Contemporary witnesses? Nope- money grubbing lying whores and their accomplices.
Paid settlements? Pfft- they just didn't want to go to court.
Short of Cain laying his hand on a stack of Bibles and fully confessing that he's completely guilty of the accusations, his defenders won't believe their legitimate. They've already become too vested in their defense of Cain.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2011 02:30 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 08, 2011 02:30 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 02:31 PM (51YA7)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at November 08, 2011 02:31 PM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Retread at November 08, 2011 02:31 PM (nVqTv)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 02:31 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 02:32 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Raquel at November 08, 2011 02:32 PM (1wgaP)
Uh oh. .....Fox is showing one of the other women-accusers. And she is blonde too.
I hope they're not all blonde.....that would be a pattern.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at November 08, 2011 02:32 PM (ZQK1u)
>>>I think Cain honestly believes he has a good grasp of policy. And that anything he doesn't know he can bone up on quickly before making a big decision.
>>>I think Cain probably has cheated on his wife several times. I think Cain probably doesn't believe this.
>>>Cain possesses extreme confidence. Typically this comes with mild to moderate self-delusions.
An interesting theory that might explain what I observed about today's performance. A self-convinced liar is the best kind. Immune to polygraphs, that's for sure.
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 02:32 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 02:32 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 02:33 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: tasker at November 08, 2011 02:33 PM (14jKX)
Posted by: mike bell at November 08, 2011 06:16 PM (Kz6PE)
That's what I said earlier. If this man is so horrible, can't keep his dick in his pants and can't keep his hands off womens genitals, why no stories from any of the other places he has headed up? Just his short stint at NRA...
Posted by: jewells45..teapartyterrorist at November 08, 2011 02:33 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 02:33 PM (nj1bB)
So Cain flames out, "Why not Zoidberg?"
He's a spineless crustacean from another planet who'll be boiled by the press.
Wait, did he already go thru?
Posted by: DaveA at November 08, 2011 02:33 PM (fTMsl)
Posted by: Tightie Rightie at November 08, 2011 02:34 PM (Ex4rc)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 08, 2011 02:34 PM (21lBC)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 02:34 PM (nj1bB)
What if there is some odd quirk in them that we don't know about, but its there in both cases and is also something several other accusers without settlements claim he did but they would not have known what was contained in the settlements?
Posted by: buzzion at November 08, 2011 06:27 PM (GULKT)
If Cain is telling the truth sexual harrassment never would have made it into the settlement agreements. They would have agreed to part ways and had the standard NDA in the agreement for a certain amount. They are benign agreement with no fault either way saying you will keep quiet and this agreement settles any and all claims you may have against the company.
Posted by: robtr at November 08, 2011 02:34 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: tasker at November 08, 2011 02:34 PM (14jKX)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 02:35 PM (nj1bB)
I could fire another round into my own boot....
Posted by: Rick Perry at November 08, 2011 02:35 PM (51YA7)
Posted by: tasker at November 08, 2011 02:36 PM (14jKX)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 02:36 PM (zLeKL)
but i know its hurtful for some that He might be being slammed and damaged wrongly.
anyway i hope we can all attempt to not hate whaever candidate we must vote for.
abo
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 02:36 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 02:37 PM (nj1bB)
Let me try again, then, Ace: I don't know if he's guilty. His current actions tell me he's guilty of something- though probably not to the level he's been accused. I don't actually have to "come down" on one side or the other, because his guilt will never be proved, nor will he ever be fully exonerated- because this will never go to court.
My point is that his handling of this is a serious issue, inasmuch as it speaks bad things about him as a candidate.
You knew this was going to happen several weeks or months ago. That indicates that Cain knew it would happen even before that. Potentially years ago. Then, when it did happen, Cain didn't just "mess up the handling," which would be bad enough for a presidential candidate (remember, Perry is to be ignored because he didn't perform well in debates- despite his impressive record in Texas), but he acted guilty. He:
* Didn't stick to a single story
* Attempted to deflect attention from the story to a political rival
* Claimed the attacks were racially motivated
That's beyond merely "handling it badly," it's an indication of guilt- that his character is not what he wants us to believe. Okay, so that's normal for a politician, film at 11, right? Except that he's also trying to run as the "Christian Conservative," which makes such character flaws much more important.
So, yes, I think his mishandling of the issue is actually more important- politically speaking- than his actual guilt or innocence. It's yet one more piece of evidence (on top of 9-9-9, right of return, trading GITMO detainees {"hostages"} for American troops, etc.) that he would make a lousy president.
Anyway, sorry to call out someone "on my side," but I think this middle position is a punt and an evasion.
No, please. Call me out (rationally). I'd rather argue my point (and have to back it up) than just say it.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 02:37 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 06:32 PM (d6QMz)
yeah it's pretty sad.
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 02:37 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Zombie Johnnie Cockhran at November 08, 2011 02:37 PM (i3PJU)
...
But his supporters will be buoyed by this performance, and rightly so: because he came across well.
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 06:24 PM (hIWe1)
Yes, his performance was impressive and believable and hell, you ever hear anyone quite so believable as Jimmy Swaggart, for example? There are certain emotional buttons you can press in humans if you know how. Dominique Strauss-Kahn didn't ... and preacher Cain does.But I don't care about that; I care about what he said.
Am I the only one who noticed he said he had never seen that woman before, the one he saw with Allred, and then went on about a long litany of times he had either seen her, or even been aware of her, when she used to work for him? (Or that she confronted him a little over a month ago?)
But he made those wildly contradictory statements with really fantastically bang-on body language and a wooing voice, I'll grant you that.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 02:37 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 08, 2011 02:38 PM (QcFbt)
Maybe he planned it that way, so he wouldn't have to talk about policy.
If that's the case it was the worst political move in the history of politics.
Posted by: jewells45..teapartyterrorist at November 08, 2011 02:38 PM (Z71Vg)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 08, 2011 02:38 PM (21lBC)
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 02:38 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 02:38 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 02:39 PM (nj1bB)
What on earth does Herman Cain stand to gain from talking about policy? Have you seen him talk about policy?
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 02:39 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 06:37 PM (nj1bB)
What if he had his dick in his hand when he made the reference?
Posted by: robtr at November 08, 2011 02:39 PM (MtwBb)
If Cain is telling the truth sexual harrassment never would have made it into the settlement agreements. They would have agreed to part ways and had the standard NDA in the agreement for a certain amount. They are benign agreement with no fault either way saying you will keep quiet and this agreement settles any and all claims you may have against the company.
Posted by: robtr at November 08, 2011 06:34 PM (MtwBb)
Yeah, I'm asking a complete "what if" scenario here. What if the sealed information the NRA has does talk about the allegations? What if some of the other accusers make claims about what Cain did to them, and the information in the settlements is released and it follows the same pattern? If all they are is "you can't talk about this" then the NDA wouldn't make much difference.
Posted by: buzzion at November 08, 2011 02:40 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2011 02:40 PM (E9uDr)
I'm considering voting for him myself, just for laughs. (My primary vote won't count anyway.)
Guess I must be a sociopath.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 02:41 PM (51YA7)
Well that's very interesting.
It looks like to get those records, someone would have to sue (and then pursue them through discovery, if that would even work).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 02:41 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 08, 2011 02:42 PM (8y9MW)
Yeah, I'm asking a complete "what if" scenario here. What if the sealed information the NRA has does talk about the allegations? What if some of the other accusers make claims about what Cain did to them, and the information in the settlements is released and it follows the same pattern? If all they are is "you can't talk about this" then the NDA wouldn't make much difference.
Posted by: buzzion at November 08, 2011 06:40 PM (GULKT)
They may or may not still have personel files that would contain that info. Getting them to release it would take a supeeeny I think.
Posted by: robtr at November 08, 2011 02:42 PM (MtwBb)
>>>Kraushaar has several friends who say "She told us all about this at the time."
>>>So does Bialek.
>>>So-- did they spread lies to their friends so they'd have corroboration when they sprang this on Cain?
>>>It seems kind of preposterous to me that people conspire like that, plotting political hit jobs to happen 15 years in the future.
Yeah, this is the hiccup I can't get past either. It's one thing when Anita Hill emerges from the mists of the past to make an otherwise completely uncorroborated allegation against Clarence Thomas (one which didn't even come close to seriousness of these), and not only spoke to NOBODY about it at the time but followed Thomas to another job after the supposed harassment.
It's another thing entirely where there's SO MUCH contemporaneous evidence. So many people told at the time, by each of the accusers, actual written settlements and payouts...unless Karen Kraushaar's got a working set of flux capacitors, this shit can't really have been retroactively faked to take down a rising GOP candidate, now can it?
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 02:42 PM (hIWe1)
It's a lot easier to lie in rehearsed, scripted statements.
I didn't watch the presser, but I assume that's what he fell back on.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2011 02:43 PM (SY2Kh)
It's one reason why you need to play offense from the beginning. Always be as upfront and honest as possible. Even if an allegation is silly and unfounded, treat it seriously. You want to give the media as little as possible.
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 02:43 PM (d6QMz)
Its all a big lie, because Gloria Alldread is involved and we all know that she is a hired Dem hag who would never bash a Republican with a true story.
Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 08, 2011 02:43 PM (P/F96)
@583
I did not hear Cain claim the accusations are not specific. He said they are all false.
4 or 5 women making specific claims, Herman Cain says they are false.
How is that different from where we are today except instead of a single detailed accusation, we have 4 or 5.
And Cain denies them all.
Where does that leave us?
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 02:43 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: TWoPolitics at November 08, 2011 02:43 PM (YOZVY)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 02:44 PM (51YA7)
Posted by: tasker at November 08, 2011 02:44 PM (14jKX)
I don't think most of his supporters are sociopaths, but I do think charismatic sociopaths attract supporters.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 02:44 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 06:38 PM (HPcQF)
My take exactly. Many men, myself included, have had to deal with this femminazi bullshit. I know what Cain is dealing with here.
Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2011 02:46 PM (E9uDr)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2011 02:46 PM (JYheX)
@594
Well, then let's see the friends and hear what they have to say?
By all means, I am trying to figure out who is lying here. It's not clear to me who that is.
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 02:46 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 02:46 PM (d6QMz)
You mean there's something wrong with responding to every question with "9-9-9 9-9-9 9-9-9 9-9-9 9-9-9 9-9-9 9-9-9 9-9-9 9-9-9 9-9-9"?
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2011 02:46 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 02:47 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 08, 2011 02:47 PM (PYxvn)
Very challenging.
Posted by: runninrebel at November 08, 2011 02:48 PM (i3PJU)
If he actually cares enough to learn more about it? A great deal.
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 02:48 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 08, 2011 02:48 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 02:49 PM (zLeKL)
>>>I didn't watch the presser, but I assume that's what he fell back on.
Not really, dude. He was pretty unscripted. Handled the Q&A portion really well too.
Look, at this point I agree with Ace that there's so much circumstantial evidence already out there that SOMETHING has to have happened. I'm not off the "guilty" train or anything. But I'm just saying that Cain's performance today was so unexpectedly smooth -- even to someone like me who had already basically written him off -- that I'm forced to posit another 'node' in this theory. I like Clubber Lang's theory the best, even though it's wildly speculative (though it does square with the Dan Riehl/NY Times post Ace excerpted in an earlier thread about Cain's supposedly overweening ego). It would explain the ability to lie so convincingly: the guy honestly doesn't think he's lying.
It's all rather weird.
Either way, he's an unqualified fuck up, we agree on this.
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 02:49 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: tasker at November 08, 2011 02:49 PM (14jKX)
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 08, 2011 02:50 PM (JYheX)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 02:51 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 02:51 PM (zLeKL)
Doesn't this make you just a tad suspicious Ace.
Posted by: jainphx at November 08, 2011 02:51 PM (UKjvl)
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 06:46 PM (d6QMz)
yeah, i don't really know what could have been done to stop this train. either way.
If innocent (an i don't know either way)I assume this means He chose the wrong people to help him campaign and get in front of it.
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 02:52 PM (h+qn8)
So, if I get this right, chasing strange pre-emptively disqualifies someone from being President. If we stipulate to that, shouldn't that serve to undo every executive order and every bit of legislation signed by Clinton, Spanish Fellatio (El BJ), Kennedy, and more than a few guys before that?
Seems to me, we should make that deal right away....
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at November 08, 2011 02:52 PM (jAqTK)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 02:53 PM (nj1bB)
I have seen you go out of your way to help the MSM destroy Cain. I know your a Perry fan (Perry-site), but do you really think if Cain is destroyed Perry will all of a sudden become "not stupid" or a "good debater." Perry is a disaster.
Posted by: Raquel at November 08, 2011 02:53 PM (1wgaP)
Maybe he's not. Did you ever consider that?
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 06:34 PM (nj1bB)
--
Thank you for saying it.
Look, if Cain is innocent, then I owe him a huge apology and not just to him. But if he's guilty of all this stuff, and it's very much looking that way to me, then he is not a good man!
My attacks on Cain and Cain's supporters have risen in emotional tempo the more he reminds me of the sociopath and sexual abuser, Clinton. I didn't like his supporters much either.
But Clinton was a good liar. Cain's not even that. They are both very charismatic, and I suppose that's what people care about and what pulls the wool over their eyes, that and their power.
But damnit. It took others to show Clinton was lying. A repeat of Cain's news conference and his own words is all that's needed to show that he's lying. Unless that voice stirs the old cockles again. In which case, use a computer sim voice, and then I think you'll be able to notice the obvious lies in Cain's words, without necessary recourse to any third party.
Cain's news conference was the dark side of The Force equivalent of, "These are not the droids you're looking for."
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 02:53 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2011 02:53 PM (E9uDr)
But yeah...
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 06:21 PM (nj1bB)
i had the same boss from 1985 until 2000. i didnt like him much, so i fucked his wife. is it ok to brag about that?
Posted by: Racefan at November 08, 2011 02:54 PM (EiCay)
With Romney it would just be bitter disappointment after the next.
Posted by: runninrebel at November 08, 2011 02:54 PM (i3PJU)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 08, 2011 02:54 PM (PYxvn)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 02:54 PM (nj1bB)
@636
I read that earlier today.
It's kind of hard to tell just how credible this "friend" is however just from reading the quotes.
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 02:55 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 02:55 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at November 08, 2011 02:56 PM (cniXs)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 02:57 PM (nj1bB)
Because grabbing the puss right away is bold but not good strategy.
Posted by: runninrebel at November 08, 2011 02:58 PM (i3PJU)
You seem awfully convinced that Cain is guilty, and it's BECAUSE you want him to be guilty, if this was Perry/Romney you would be spinning this until the end. Dan Rather to this day is convinced to this day that the Killian documents are "fake but accurate."
Posted by: Raquel at November 08, 2011 02:58 PM (1wgaP)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 02:59 PM (nj1bB)
Yes, this makes me suspicious that Herman Cain is a serial philanderer and harasser, which is what I've been hearing for over a month.
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 06:54 PM (nj1bB)
Quick, Ace. Take your meds NOW. You've jumped the rails again.
Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2011 02:59 PM (E9uDr)
I can see Steve Hayes as a moron.
And given his trash mouth, Krauthammer too.
Posted by: Retread at November 08, 2011 02:59 PM (nVqTv)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 02:59 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Raquel at November 08, 2011 06:58 PM (1wgaP)
You think ace would spin for Mittens? Seriously? Are you new here?
Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 08, 2011 03:00 PM (P/F96)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 08, 2011 03:00 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: tasker at November 08, 2011 03:01 PM (14jKX)
No, I don't. Levin is a buffoon.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2011 03:01 PM (SY2Kh)
If innocent (an i don't know either way)I assume this means He chose the wrong people to help him campaign and get in front of it.
His campaign admitted they mishandled it. The early response was an example of what not to do in a situation like this, and it gave credence to the notion that he is guilty. You need to be prepared, because being a primary candidate is nothing compared to what you have to endure when you are president.
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 03:01 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Barbarian at November 08, 2011 03:01 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 06:14 PM (zLeKL)
It is the current equivalent of calling someone a Nazi. It means - "I disagree with you but am unable or unwilling to argue rationally."
From a Cain sort of supporter.
1. Before this event, Cain was a seriously flawed candidate like the whole rest of the field.
2. His handling of this is consistent with the seriously flawed candidate he demonstrated himself to be.
3. Loyalty is admirable, but when it stretches to denying reality and attacking dissenters without logical argument but instead with hyperbole and unfair accusations, in a word you are unreasonable, you convince no one favorably, and in fact convince many people unfavorably.
Here is some reality.
1. Cain had sexual harassment accusations on record. We either did this dance today, or waited until next October, where a poor performance by Cain gives Obama a second term. I'd rather get it done now.
2. Whether you ultimately believe any of the accusations or not, it is not unreasonable to believe them.
3. Not everyone who puts the preponderance past 50% is an ardent Romney supporter with secret machinations on destroying Cain. Those folks act like Random.
4. It is ultimately Cain's responsibility to defend Cain's reputation while we are in the primary. It is unreasonable to expect every conservative writer and commentator to defend Cain to the bitter end. Just as much as we don't want the establishment to make our pick for us, we shouldn't want the commentators to make our pick either.
Now I think Ace rushed to judgment on this. I think he would love to see Herman's campaign end because Herman is technically a very weak candidate who will be extremely hard to sell to the middle, but, I personally don't think that's why he came with the prolly guilty verdict so soon.
If Cain remains the most viable !Romney after this debacle I will continue to support him. If another candidate rises to be the best viable !Romney I will support them instead.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 03:01 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 03:01 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: misty at November 08, 2011 03:02 PM (LBn7L)
Posted by: runninrebel at November 08, 2011 03:02 PM (i3PJU)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2011 07:01 PM (SY2Kh)
And a Great American!
Posted by: Hean Sannity at November 08, 2011 03:03 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at November 08, 2011 03:03 PM (PYxvn)
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 07:01 PM (d6QMz)
true.
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 03:03 PM (h+qn8)
Levin is a buffoon.
Ok, so go find the radio show. Curtis made it sound like its common knowledge that Bialek has a "history" and straight out said that the conversation in the elevator he was a party to at (CBS i think it was, not sure) agreed it was more likely that Bialek was the one doing the grabbing.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at November 08, 2011 03:03 PM (cniXs)
Has it occurred to you that people of different psychological makeups do different things? And apparently, the lawyer for one of the other women said her client's experience was 'similar'".
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 03:03 PM (YiE0S)
@656
I get you. There is smoke.
This all started with the hit-job media though. I want to make sure before I decide Cain is a bad man, so I will judge credibility independently.
And yes, I probably wouldn't react this way if the target were a democrat. Because they are never subject to such hit-jobs, and so when the liberal media actually reports something nasty about a liberal, I conclude it either must be true or that a more powerful democrat is removing an impediment of some sort with the media's assistance.
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 03:03 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 03:03 PM (nj1bB)
646....Yes, this makes me suspicious that Herman Cain is a serial philanderer and harasser, which is what I've been hearing for over a month.
And to your credit, Ace.....you didn't reveal it until the stories went public. Kudos to you.
People can tear at their hair and call you names for blogging about this....but I am glad you have been doing it, even though I hate that this whole mess is happening.
Cain jumped the shark today, by declaring that he had "never seen that woman before". It will take a while for it to become apparent though.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at November 08, 2011 03:04 PM (ZQK1u)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 08, 2011 03:04 PM (QcFbt)
Not to mention incarcerated. Highest incarceration rates in the world, etc.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 03:04 PM (YiE0S)
Gee, that's a good reason to not vote for him and to elect Romney.
I will just say that I wasn't enamored of Cain, but watching the way Minitrue and elitist types who only think career pols and graduates of the proper schools are good enough for office are going after him, I'm giving him a second look.
Posted by: Veeshir at November 08, 2011 03:04 PM (7cyKH)
Guilty or innocent, Machs Nichts! I'm still gonna vote for anybody Republican, even a zombie Republican before I would allow Obama POTUS (pbuh) another term.
The focus on Herman Cain is like that visited on Sarah Palin. One screamin' headline after another about the evil ones!
I'm still gonna vote Republican 2012 and nothing will change that even crucifing several Black Men who are Republicans running for President.
So scream democrats, scream main stream media, Ima be me Ima doit just to be in your face with a big Phuc U.
Posted by: HEP-T at November 08, 2011 03:05 PM (Ycp2o)
>>>Sorry, not computing.
Run the numbers again then, chum. It's not hard to square away.
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 03:05 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 03:05 PM (zLeKL)
I don't even mean that in a bad or an aggressive way. I'm saying good people find it hard to put themselves in the shoes of people who are radically different than they are. That is human nature too.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 03:06 PM (YiE0S)
Because grabbing the puss right away is bold but not good strategy.
The latter.
If she's to believed, it sounds like Cain expected a BJ for having upgraded her room, dinner, and the prospect of a job. Perhaps he didn't consider that she'd object after all he felt he was doing for her, that she owed him.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2011 03:06 PM (SY2Kh)
646....Yes, this makes me suspicious that Herman Cain is a serial philanderer and harasser, which is what I've been hearing for over a month.
And to your credit, Ace.....you didn't reveal it until the stories went public. Kudos to you.
could be true, But others haven't had a mth to digest this.
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 03:06 PM (h+qn8)
Not. Buying. It.
Posted by: runninrebel at November 08, 2011 03:06 PM (i3PJU)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 03:07 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 08, 2011 03:07 PM (QcFbt)
@660
yeah, you said Clinton was a good liar
he sucked from day one lying--"but I didn't inhale"
but you bought that hook line and sinker because you're a gullible bitch
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 03:08 PM (HPcQF)
Gee, that's a good reason to not vote for him and to elect Romney.
I will just say that I wasn't enamored of Cain, but watching the way Minitrue and elitist types who only think career pols and graduates of the proper schools are good enough for office are going after him, I'm giving him a second look.
Posted by: Veeshir at November 08, 2011 07:04 PM (7cyKH)
+1000000
Posted by: Baroque at November 08, 2011 03:08 PM (B0LGd)
Gee, that's a good reason to not vote for him and to elect Romney.
He (allegedly) hit on some women subordinates and used his position as a boss in an attempt to cohere them. While married. Then publicly lied about it repeatedly.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2011 03:09 PM (SY2Kh)
That would have been...something.
I actually wish I'd gotten to live through that alternate universe experience. You would have been pitchforked. Rush Limbaugh would have excommunicated you BY NAME this time, instead of just in general!
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 03:09 PM (hIWe1)
@693
I appreciate that ace, but it seems to me you, of all people, might be more understanding of conservative distrust of the media.
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 03:10 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 07:01 PM (nj1bB)
So, whose economy is this, Cains? You fucking moron.
Posted by: Breaker19 at November 08, 2011 03:10 PM (e6MoS)
Posted by: Raquel at November 08, 2011 06:58 PM (1wgaP)
You think ace would spin for Mittens? Seriously? Are you new here?
..................
I know Ace is a Perry shill. But he has to know by now that Perry is too badly damaged, and has NO CHANCE at the nomination. I know his 2nd choice is Romney because of his constant obsession with polling and "electability."
Even though the media has left Romney alone so far. Which will change the minute he clinches the nomination.
Posted by: Raquel at November 08, 2011 03:10 PM (1wgaP)
I have seen you go out of your way to help the MSM destroy Cain. I know your a Perry fan (Perry-site), but do you really think if Cain is destroyed Perry will all of a sudden become "not stupid" or a "good debater." Perry is a disaster.
He is, but the only way the Texan Fuck-Up can get anywhere near the nomination is if the other candidates are swept out of the picture, starting with Herman Cain. (Kind of the way Obama won all his elections.) Because nobody actually wants Perry at this point, aside from some of the die-hards here.
So, assuming Cain goes down, watch this space for the guns to be turned on Gingrich, or Romney, or whoever else might be inconveniencing the Son of a Tenant Farmer.
It's his turn, you know.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 03:11 PM (51YA7)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 03:11 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 08, 2011 03:11 PM (QcFbt)
I love how people are trying to explain away the "I never met her thing." "Well, even if he did meet her, he met her at a conference where he met a lot of people."
That may be so, but the story that came out <i>before Herman Cain ever denied meeting her</i> was that they talked for two or three minutes, where she was whispering in his ear, and then she stormed away. That should be unusual enough for him to recall meeting her.
If his defense is, "I meet so many women who whisper into my ear for minutes at a time and then storm away," he has bigger problems than we know about.
Posted by: Herman Cain for America at November 08, 2011 03:11 PM (Jl3Mu)
The proper etiquette for Road Head is that the woman pulls the dick out.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2011 03:11 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at November 08, 2011 03:11 PM (cniXs)
I think Ace over relies on razors to do analysis. Logical razors
Occam=Simplest Explaination.
Hanlon= Never assume Malice over Incompetence.
Idiom Where there is smoke (Indication of something bad) there is usually Fire (something bad)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 03:11 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: ReadyorNot at November 08, 2011 03:11 PM (wHeXl)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 03:12 PM (nj1bB)
I realize you probably never had a hot chick try to blow you in a car though, so wouldn't understand.
The rest of us normal humans actual have had sex, though. And we enjoy remembering being young and making out in a car.
The other day, well yesterday, I was commenting in a lighter mood, with sexual stories aplenty, probably overly much (but then, no such thing as too much sex as far as I'm concerned).
Today, however, I watched a guy obviously lie in his news conference in that he contradicted what he said in the beginning of his conference in both the middle and end of his conference.
And I even have stalwart Jeff B. tell me how awesome he performed. I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone or something.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 03:13 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 03:14 PM (zLeKL)
699 - I appreciate that ace, but it seems to me you, of all people, might be more understanding of conservative distrust of the media.
To me, the media could have dropped this story, Cain explained it away, and I would have given no credence to it. What I do give credence to is Cain's inability to explain it away and his inconsistent stories in trying to do so. Cain himself has done more than anyone else to convince me there is likely something to this story.
Posted by: Herman Cain for America at November 08, 2011 03:14 PM (Jl3Mu)
Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2011 03:14 PM (E9uDr)
The proper etiquette for Road Head is that the woman pulls the dick out.
That equals an inadvertent fingernail stabbing in my world, but hey to each their own.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at November 08, 2011 03:15 PM (cniXs)
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at November 08, 2011 07:11 PM (cniXs)
give the gist of what you heard?
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 03:15 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 03:15 PM (nj1bB)
I think he's right, but - uh - hero would have actually required performing the action.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 03:17 PM (YiE0S)
I don't see how he could be the most viable non-Romney guy.
No I don't. And if it comes to that, and it might, it will not be easy or pretty after this.
When I say "most viable" it means the one with the most chance to actually beat Romney in the primary, not the candidate who is not Romney who would most likely win the general. I'd have to give that to Perry currently. Unfortunately he doesn't have enough support to beat Romney, so his viability in the general is kind of academic.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 03:17 PM (0q2P7)
But you felt that way before a single "allegation" came out, didn't you? Yes, it's very easy for you to trash and destroy a man over innuendo when you're already predisposed to hate him, isn't it?
It might help your case, Ace, if you had an honest bone in your body. Or had debate skills sharper than "you're all crazy!".
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 03:17 PM (51YA7)
So you looking at a minimum of 360 attempts to bone or confirmed bonings (including BJs) out there. That's a lot, so unless I start hearing some confirmed bones or hear about some whipping out of the cock, I'm not believing the pussy hound/harasser charge.
Posted by: runninrebel at November 08, 2011 03:17 PM (i3PJU)
Even when there's only one chick.
I made that point the other day.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 03:17 PM (YiE0S)
I know his 2nd choice is Romney because of his constant obsession with polling and "electability."
Posted by: Raquel at November 08, 2011 07:10 PM (1wgaP)
I seriously doubt that. I guess Newt is his fall back option.
So ace, help us! Who is your no. 2 pick?
Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 08, 2011 03:18 PM (P/F96)
Posted by: Breaker19 at November 08, 2011 03:18 PM (e6MoS)
True enough, but that's not entirely a bad thing. Washington insiders really have become an elite class, and it's time to tear that down. Cain was a false hope, but what people thought they saw in him is what we need.
Posted by: sandy burger at November 08, 2011 03:18 PM (ErTq7)
give the gist of what you heard?
At work so halfway listened, but it was that Bill Curtis stated on this radio show yesterday morning that there is more to this story, he was following up on it. The hosts pressed him that he was implying things and he told the story about the conversation in the CBS elevator.
Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at November 08, 2011 03:18 PM (cniXs)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 08, 2011 03:18 PM (21lBC)
@720
Uh, yeah. Conservatism v. liberalism is, in large part, a cultural war.
Is this not universally recognized?
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 03:19 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: Herman "Long Haul" Cain at November 08, 2011 03:19 PM (vFVJi)
The attorney that he has hired is the same attorney who handled the 'bomber that wasn't a bomber at the 96 Olympics' Richard Jewel; he's one of the tops in Atlanta and he is a very high profile very good attorney. He's also very selective of the cases he will handle. As in very ethical.
I'd bet money on Herman Cain.
And I'd hope like hell none of you asses are on any jury that would sit in judgment on me. I've been around this place (Ace's) since before most of y'all were in diapers, and I now remember why I seldom stop by anymore.
Get a clue. You are being led around by the Alinsky playbook and are performing admirably.
We are so fucked.
Posted by: Stephanie (former posted as bmeuppls) at November 08, 2011 03:19 PM (hGYL3)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 08, 2011 03:19 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 03:19 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 03:20 PM (zLeKL)
717 - So your solution is for the Republicans not to air out any of their bad laundry until the general election, where you can bet that every bit of it will be used against the nominee? Good luck with that.
Romneycare? - Doesn't reflect well on Mitt so can't use it.
"Heartless?" - Doesn't reflect well on Rick so we can't use it
"Divorcing your two cancer stricken wives"- Doesn't reflect well with Newt, so we can't use it
Posted by: Herman Cain for America at November 08, 2011 03:20 PM (Jl3Mu)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 03:20 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: CoolCzech at November 08, 2011 03:21 PM (niZvt)
Nothing. Cain isn't my candidate.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 03:21 PM (51YA7)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 07:17 PM (51YA7)
I think you might have a log in that there eye, son.
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 08, 2011 03:21 PM (MSCON)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 03:22 PM (nj1bB)
2 (whoever is lesser of Perry or Newt)
3 Honestly, at 3, then I guess Romney, although I am wondering, if we're going to settle on Romney, why not settle on Huntsman, who seems actually more conservative?
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 07:19 PM (nj1bB)
And they say the sybil syndrome was a hoax?
Posted by: Breaker19 at November 08, 2011 03:22 PM (e6MoS)
One accuser reports to Obama. Another happens to have Axelrod as "just a guy in the neighborhood."
And the fucking CBS turdburger wants him to take a lie detector test????
When was the last time any reporter asked a Democrat to take a lie-detector test????
Cain's only faults here were waiting too long and being too nice.
Posted by: Truman North at November 08, 2011 03:22 PM (I2LwF)
Perry: MSM already destroyed him.
Bachman: destroyed already
Newt: If you think Cain has "character" issues you must have NEVER heard of him!!!! He makes John Edwads look like Mr. Rodgers!
Romney: I think I will let this video Liberal Mitt's greatest hits speak for itself: http://tinyurl.com/8ysdfn8
Posted by: Raquel at November 08, 2011 03:23 PM (1wgaP)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 03:23 PM (zLeKL)
Right, and I sure as shit didn't say that I now think he's innocent. In fact, I said that given the preponderance of evidence we already have it's MORE likely that he's a quasi-sociopathic liar, for god's sake. But I'm just trying to be dispassionate in my analysis, which leads me to acknowledge that the dude did well today. It was a good performance. His supporters are looking for some reason to believe. He gave them that 'something' today. I expect more shoes to drop in this kerfuffle, and when they do the situation will no doubt change, but for now he's stanched the bleeding.
Not to revert to my typical douchetastic form, but dear god I really fucking mean this: I don't look at developing events through rose-colored glasses of "how I want things to be." I take them and try as best I can to analyze them as they really are, regardless of whether that cuts against my preferred narrative or not. For the life of me, I just don't understand why other people don't try to do the same thing. Ace DOES, which is pretty much the primary reason I've been such a long-time commenter here: he has his partisan leanings, but he's remarkably good about not letting them overwhelm his bullshit detector and his objective analytical capacity.
Is it really that rare of a quality?
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 03:23 PM (hIWe1)
@744
Yeah, just when was the last time a "reporter" f*cking asked a democrat to take a lie detector test?
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 03:23 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 03:24 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Herman at November 08, 2011 03:25 PM (vFVJi)
>>>The proper etiquette for Road Head is that the woman pulls the dick out.
Well you see I'm operating under the assumption that guys that are the way Cain is being portrayed by ace et al frequently whip the cock out without prompting. So until I hear a story that includes Cain suddenly whipping his dick out I'm holding off.
Posted by: runninrebel at November 08, 2011 03:25 PM (i3PJU)
Posted by: Buck Hayek at November 08, 2011 05:56 PM (z0HdK)
That fuck turned me off from the get go.
Posted by: Barbarian at November 08, 2011 03:25 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 07:19 PM "
pretty much on this I agree
Posted by: heartless nora who agrees with this point is therefore drinking heavily at November 08, 2011 03:26 PM (VxqUc)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at November 08, 2011 03:26 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 07:19 PM (nj1bB)
Since the HotAir surveys ask Romney/Huntsman questions I had to think about that. Whats better? Somebody who doesnt believe in anything and is only in the game for self-gratification and is telling you all he thinks you wanna hear. Or an arrogant, condescending, liberal prick with an acceptable fiscal record, who is at least not lying to your face about that.
Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 08, 2011 03:26 PM (P/F96)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 03:26 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 08, 2011 03:26 PM (21lBC)
2 (whoever is lesser of Perry or Newt)
3 Honestly, at 3, then I guess Romney, although I am wondering, if we're going to settle on Romney, why not settle on Huntsman, who seems actually more conservative?
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 07:19 PM
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 03:26 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: elizabethe at November 08, 2011 03:27 PM (dU+zz)
I euphemized. I intend to oppose him because he is a walking, shambling disaster.
Well I think you really need an approach to sap his support rather than galvanize it.
The thought of having to get Cain, who seems to think all this policy and competency stuff is beneath him, across the finish line isn't the way I'd like to go.
But unless he can be stripped of his emotionally invested voters who have switched twice already than I could get stuck with Romney.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 03:28 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 07:21 PM (51YA7)
He's not my candidate either. Never has been. But it doesn't distract me from noticing that most of what's going on in this blog concerning him is wrong.
Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2011 03:29 PM (E9uDr)
staunch conservative Christian (it's relevant, since I think quite a bit of the animosity toward Romney is based on his Mormonism) opposition to Romney.
Not to start another massive argument, but this staunch conservative Christian has no objection to Romney's Mormonism per se, but strongly, strongly objects to being called a bigot for refusing to consider Mormonism a legitimate variety of Christianity. Mormons seem to be decent enough people, but what they believe and what Christians have believed for the last 2000 years are quite different.
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 08, 2011 03:30 PM (MSCON)
I think he could be, yes. Not a very likely one by any stretch, but if Obama's in bad enough shape a year from now even Cain could be viable.
It would be funny as hell if he ended up getting the nomination. This blog would have some serious 'splainin' to do. And I think this is why Ace is so full-tilt berserker on this particular hobby horse of his; he's gone so all-in on this "Herman Cain, sex abuser!!!1!!11!!" smear that he can't possibly walk it back and support Cain if he ended up being the nominee. Therefore, Cain MUST be destroyed. There really isn't a choice now.
If Ace really wanted to be honest with us he'd just come out and admit that his ego is at stake here, but instead, for the foreseeable future, we're going to get eight posts a day about hotel receipts and an ocean of butt-hurt in the sidebar. Oh well.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 03:31 PM (51YA7)
Or, for that matter, we could try to draft Hillary Clinton, who's also slightly more conservative than Romney.
Posted by: sandy burger at November 08, 2011 03:31 PM (ErTq7)
You are joking about Newt right? You realize how easy it will be for the MSM media to destroy Newt? Newt makes John Edwards look like Mr. Rodgers. And Huntsman? You realize he is a LIBERAL democrat, who wrote love letters to Obama, hates "conservatives," LOVES cap and betray, In fact, I am willing to bet you Ace, that Huntsman will drop out and endorse Obama, because the "GOP is too EXTREME" for him.
Posted by: Raquel at November 08, 2011 03:31 PM (1wgaP)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 03:31 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Buck Hayek at November 08, 2011 05:56 PM (z0HdK) "
Cool, stay away from the South. Lin Wood cleared Richard Jewel.
Posted by: heartless nora at November 08, 2011 03:31 PM (VxqUc)
I am not "charmed" by sex assaults.
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 07:12 PM (nj1bB)
You go Ace! Don't let them do to you what they did to me. You know the TRUTH. You knew it before the first story ever ran. You'll know it even if there isn't any proof. Even if all accusers are discredited, you'll still carry that TRUTH torch. Fake but accurate! Keep strong, brother.
Posted by: Dan Rather at November 08, 2011 03:32 PM (L+A2I)
Known Fact
Posted by: runninrebel at November 08, 2011 03:33 PM (i3PJU)
I believe there are more Christians like you than there are Christians who would refuse to vote for a Mormon; however, the latter number isn't exactly small
but strongly, strongly objects to being called a bigot for refusing to consider Mormonism a legitimate variety of Christianity.
I believe that's an entirely reasonable position (indeed, almost mandatory) position from a Christian perspective. And I am not a Christian, it just makes sense to me they would see it that way.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 03:33 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 03:34 PM (zLeKL)
I've been reading, watching.....now, you get my 4th comment in 4 years.
No, I'm not a Herman Cain supporter.
Can't wait for the "Hitler find Ace's carfax" video-
Posted by: Browndog at November 08, 2011 03:36 PM (kO4Q9)
And a lot of people were talking about this. ))
Yeah. Battlefield preparation. Throw some rumors to the wind and then Boom! But no problem. There were rumors before! Alinsky tactics don't need no battlefield preparation now do they?
I worked for Cain on his last campaign. I've met Cain, and I know lots of people who know Cain, have known Cain and have been around Cain in situations that would make a hobo hunt look tame. But in all those situations the man was nothing but tolerant and a little bemused at the goings on around him. I know you don't know anything but what people are telling you. People with an agenda. But you are pure as the driven snow and only doing what you YOU feel is in the best interests of the party. Pity that. Because for all your 'Cain doesn't know the issues stuff' there are plenty of other stories on the net that disprove many of those claims. But whatever. There are interests on both sides of the aisle that are invested in keeping an outsider out of Washington.
You just keep on fucking that chicken mkay?
BTW, full disclosure... I work for Perry here in Georgia. But whatever, doods. Just get ready for the onslaught when our candidate gets 'the full monty.'
Posted by: Stephanie (former posted as bmeuppls) at November 08, 2011 03:36 PM (hGYL3)
Posted by: Anony at November 08, 2011 03:37 PM (Yigvc)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 05:53 PM (zLeKL)
This disturbs me more than a sexual predator winning the nom. We're boned.
Posted by: Barbarian at November 08, 2011 03:37 PM (EL+OC)
I'd rather Cain not defend himself by saying things like he never harassed anyone and was never inappropriate with any one.
I'm more interested in did Cain get or try to get intimate oral-genital, genital-genital, or even oral-oral contact with employees and others in a vulnerable position in regards to him, to wit, job seekers. I don't give a damn about Cain's weaselly never was "inappropriate" and "harassment" choice of terms.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 03:38 PM (YiE0S)
Apparently I'm not drinking enough as I do not get this at all....
"Can't wait for the "Hitler find Ace's carfax" video-
Posted by: Browndog at November 08, 2011 07:36 PM (kO4Q9) "
Posted by: heartless nora at November 08, 2011 03:38 PM (VxqUc)
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 03:38 PM (d6QMz)
If Ace really wanted to be honest with us he'd just come out and admit that his ego is at stake here,
Thats bullshit. I think ace realized quite early that Cain was a horrible, bizarre and irresponsible candidate, whose support steadily grew despite his gruesome performance. Add these emerging women and you have a situation that should be quite alarming for everybody, but obviously isnt.
Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 08, 2011 03:38 PM (P/F96)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 03:39 PM (zLeKL)
Yeah great. I look forward to the Bemused-In-Chief.
Posted by: Barbarian at November 08, 2011 03:40 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: A Laurel & Hardy Cain at November 08, 2011 03:40 PM (niZvt)
Posted by: Randall Hoven at November 08, 2011 03:40 PM (YSKMW)
I've often struggled with that. I felt that a Mormon referring to themselves as Christian, was sort of ehhh....ok. Kind of like me calling myself Jewish, except that my Holy text has some extra books in it.
A substantial shift in the Covenant kind of constitutes a new faith.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 03:40 PM (0q2P7)
Not a hope in hell.
Huntsman already pissed off Obama by spurning the Ambassador gig and dropping out to replace Obama as CIC. He may lack charisma, he may be a moderate, but he was a two-term Republican governor of Utah and an ambassador. He's not unqualified and he's not a Democrat.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 03:41 PM (YiE0S)
Having had a gander at horse-lady Kraushaar I'm going to be interested in what in her case constitutes "sexual harassment".
I sure wasn't wanting to bed her.
Posted by: icepick at November 08, 2011 03:41 PM (o0Uno)
Ah yes, Richard Jewell.
Remember him, folks? Olympic bomber suspect? The media convicted him in no time flat. He was stone-cold, irrefutably guilty, too. Everyone in America knew it, just as everyone knows that Cain is, in Ace's words, a "Sex Assault Moron".
Except that he wasn't guilty, at all. Eric Rudolph was. But it didn't matter; by the time Rudolph was convicted, Richard Jewell's name and reputation had been thoroughly destroyed and he could never fully get them back. He died at age 44.
Ace doesn't have to worry about his personal name and reputation when he tries to do to Herman Cain what Tom Brokaw did to Jewell. He posts this horseshit as "Ace".
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 03:42 PM (51YA7)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 03:42 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 08, 2011 07:38 PM (P/F96)
ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding|Well said.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 03:42 PM (YiE0S)
Comedy gold, rubes.
This is the greatest GOP primary of all time. We literally could not have scripted this one any better. It's as if Angle, Buck and O'Donnell had a threesome and then birthed out a cross section of Gary Hart and Red Foxx's character from Sanford & Son. LOL.
The "value voter" in action. ROTFLOL.
Anyways, stay classy, Cainiacs. Don't let that bully media push you around. Stand by your man. Cain is the one and only true conservative in this contest. Send your messages, prove your points.
See you at Barack's going away party, in Jan. 2017. Heh.
Posted by: David Axelrod at November 08, 2011 03:43 PM (f8XyF)
Fur-flying fiascos that dominate this place don't rock my world. I'm rather more interested in lobbing shit downrange.
Posted by: Stephanie (former posted as bmeuppls) at November 08, 2011 03:43 PM (hGYL3)
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 07:38 PM (d6QMz)
Yes BUT, last year we were annexed into a small city. Now I can call the Mayor directly and bitch at him.LOL
Posted by: Barbarian at November 08, 2011 03:43 PM (EL+OC)
But if your goal is to oppose his candidacy, then I submit to you that what you are doing now may serve to cause his supporters to dig in their heels even more if they feel like you're attacking him out of hatred. Is that rational? No. Humans (including you and me) are often irrational.
Keep in mind that people supporting Cain get to vote, too, and their votes count just as much as yours. Being constantly insulted is not going to move them to your side.
You should cover the story. But this has turned into an obsession, IMO.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at November 08, 2011 07:26 PM (21lBC)
I'm starting to wonder if this is a guy thing, being particularly harsh when they want a candidate to go down.
I have seen women also be harsh, c4p's which surprised me, but truthfully i don't get around much) it's just not my style or inclination
Men kinda do this ."You're an idiot if you don't see what i see ! It's like this !and tough shit !"
?
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 03:43 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 03:43 PM (nj1bB)
Why not just take a vase and knock her out?
I saw the other women on TV tonight and she looks like someone that if you so much as said hello to you would be sitting in a police station.
I don't believe a single bit of this. Cain is probably a very personable manager that likes to interact with everyone and some people just can't take it and invent scenarios.
Posted by: NortonPete at November 08, 2011 03:43 PM (8zxoH)
Posted by: Randall Hoven at November 08, 2011 07:40 PM (YSKMW)
If people really cared about these things, they wouldnt have supported Cain to begin with.
Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 08, 2011 03:44 PM (P/F96)
Having had a gander at horse-lady Kraushaar I'm going to be interested in what in her case constitutes "sexual harassment".
I sure wasn't wanting to bed her.
Posted by: icepick at November 08, 2011 07:41 PM (o0Uno)
Yeah, we'll trust your considered judgment on this. Repeated statements like yours alone in a workplace would be enough to constitute Sexual Harassment.Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 03:44 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 03:46 PM (nj1bB)
He's certainly not a desirable candidate for those reasons. As for viable, I think he could be for the very simple reason that Obama's such a bad bet next year, even Herman Cain (who has basic likability on his side) could beat him, barely.
But no, I don't want him as president. I don't like seeing him mowed down like this, either.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 03:46 PM (51YA7)
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 07:38 PM (d6QMz)
Heh, this is why i admire you so. I have no idea what that is. and you're such a young woman! among your other stellar inteeligent comments and your keeping us up to date on what the leaders are all up to.
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 03:46 PM (h+qn8)
I think the problem, if it is a problem, is that some sense ace a little too quick to jump on the media bandwagon targeting Cain, as if ace were unaware of the decades of leftist smearing of conservatives. Perhaps this is why ace acted so defensively to comments apparently made about the subject by Rush.
This has little to do with supporting Herman Cain for the nomination--at least in my case.
It is about resisting the leftist media--not to the point of discarding fact, but demanding a bit more before accepting the liberal media paradigm, to borrow a Rushism.
And sorry to say, this is a cultural battle, and has been for decades.
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 03:47 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 03:48 PM (nj1bB)
Except it's all verifiably false, he didn't go to the hospital to divorce his wife, she requested the divorce prior to going into the hospital, and she didn't have cancer, and she never died, and it happened what 15-20 years ago? Other than those facts sure Edwards out and out cheating on his dying wife during a presidential campaign is better.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 03:48 PM (0q2P7)
Evidence?
Since when do you care about evidence, Ace?
You don't have, or need, evidence to take down Herman Cain.
You've even said so yourself.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 03:48 PM (51YA7)
Get the restraints ready.
Posted by: runninrebel at November 08, 2011 03:49 PM (i3PJU)
Of course Kraushaar is not ready yet. She has to get her story straight.
Funny how Cain gets hit with a blizzard of bimbo accusations, yet the onus is on him to prove that they are not true.
Posted by: Pete_Bondurant at November 08, 2011 03:49 PM (ZhRJ6)
What I say on this blog is factually wrong, or it is MORALLY wrong to say it, without regard to its factual accuracy?
there are some religious traditions that you must be certain of facts before taken someone out, to destroy anothers ability to work , prosper etc is likened to murder is some examples.
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 03:49 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Anony at November 08, 2011 03:50 PM (Yigvc)
Take care.
Posted by: Baroque at November 08, 2011 03:50 PM (B0LGd)
This.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 03:52 PM (YiE0S)
No, why would you mind? You're unincorporated! That means, their laws don't apply to you. You can do whatever you want. You can kill a man and bury him on your property if you want to.
Welcome to County: There are NO RULES.
Posted by: sandy burger at November 08, 2011 03:52 PM (0U+Pz)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 03:52 PM (nj1bB)
Take care.
Posted by: Baroque at November 08, 2011 07:50 PM (B0LGd)
When the articles on this site are indistinguishable from what we could read on the Daily Kos, I don't blame you.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 03:53 PM (51YA7)
Posted by: Donkey Dink at November 08, 2011 03:54 PM (7MFxV)
@812
As if Rush and his fans think truth is unfashionable?
You know ace, you say some really stupid things sometimes.
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 03:54 PM (HPcQF)
Is that not fashionable to say any longer? Do I need to -- like the cultists at OWS -- "consense" on that matter before proclaiming that? ))
Supposition. And incorrect. He has been on the radio doing a conservative show for years - including being a sub for Neal Boortz - and he is one of the primary sources that Boortz and Isakson used for a go to business guy when they were developing the "Fair Tax." You know a talk show where they discuss topics of the day which kinda require research and keeping up with the shit!everyone!knows! He's no Ryan and he's no Perry, but he is no dummy, either.
Oh, yeah... that stuff about him not knowing about nuclear weapons capabilities of the Chinese? You might want to Bing that... been thoroughly debunked as the guy's primary job with the Navy was vetting and planning for Chinese missile defense planning. You know - those plans the defense department keeps on the shelf in case East Bumblestan decides to lob a few at an ally?
Seriously.
Posted by: Stephanie (former posted as bmeuppls) at November 08, 2011 03:54 PM (hGYL3)
That is another thing that bothers me about Cain, is that he did not spend enough time studying the issues before he jumped into this race. He was better at the Cain-Gingrich debate but still made some bad mistakes. If he wants to be a serious candidate and not just the Not-Romney, he needs to spend more time learning about policy.
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 03:55 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 03:57 PM (nj1bB)
So is gleeful assholeishness from people who "hear things", apparently.
I have a feeling that if Cain were exonerated tomorrow, it wouldn't matter around here.
"Fake, but accurate."
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 03:58 PM (51YA7)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 03:59 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 03:59 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Zombie Johnnie Cockhran at November 08, 2011 04:00 PM (i3PJU)
So is gleeful assholeishness from people who "hear things", apparently.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 07:58 PM (51YA7)
I'm morally outraged by Cain's shitty behavior, if that's what you mean by 'glee'.
And as for hearing things, you're willfully not hearing them.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 04:01 PM (YiE0S)
@818
Rush and his listeners are naturally and justifiably distrustful of the liberal media.
I would think you would be too.
Now, we were talking Rush, what does Coulter have to do with it?
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 04:01 PM (HPcQF)
Welcome to County: There are NO RULES.
To be more precise, it's an unincorporated community in an extraterritorial jurisdiction.
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 04:01 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Zombie Johnnie Cockhran at November 08, 2011 08:00 PM (i3PJU)
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 04:02 PM (YiE0S)
And you are almost certainly wrong. You aren't thinking clearly about how this will play out. Let's imagine the worst (or, from your perspective, best) case scenario: a panel of accusers goes public tomorrow, making their settlement agreements public. Then new accusers emerge. Cain refuses to allow the DC Hilton to release their records concerning the room upgrade (I agree it's a big deal).
And then what? The same people who are blubbering now about "hit jobs" and "character assassination," including the Limbaughs and Levins of the world, will continue singing their tune. Nothing short of Herman Cain getting up there and admitting, outright, "Yes I did it, I'm such a poon-hound," would alter that. They are as committed as anyone can be -- MORE committed than you are, in fact, because although you admit you have ego invested in this I don't doubt for a second that if somehow all the charges were to fall apart and really look like frame-ups that you would back down.
You will never get the vindication you think you deserve on this one. Never. So don't expect it.
Then again, what do I know? I famously said on Memorial Day weekend that this silly Anthony Weiner scandal wasn't going to amount to much of anything.
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 04:03 PM (hIWe1)
@818
By the time the Lewinsky story broke, I'm pretty certain Slick Willie's dishonesty was widely known and acknowledged, unlike Herman Cain.
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 04:04 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 04:04 PM (nj1bB)
Yes, I have ego on the line here. I think in a week the Professional Conservative Class will have thrown up all over itself, and I'll be sitting here, smiling, repeating: "The truth is always in fashion."
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 07:52 PM (nj1bB)
Ace has jumped the shark.......
peeteefull
Posted by: Breaker19 at November 08, 2011 04:04 PM (e6MoS)
Dude your the big dog here. Of course folks want to take you down, you're the biggest !Cain on the site.
BTW I'm a dittohead it doesn't mean what you think it means.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 04:05 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Zombie Johnnie Cockhran at November 08, 2011 04:05 PM (i3PJU)
No, why would you mind? You're unincorporated! That means, their laws don't apply to you. You can do whatever you want. You can kill a man and bury him on your property if you want to.
Welcome to County: There are NO RULES.
Posted by: sandy burger at November 08, 2011 07:52
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 08:01
ty both for that brief lesson.
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 04:06 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 04:06 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Breaker19 at November 08, 2011 04:07 PM (e6MoS)
@830
So fans and listeners are dolts.
Seems I've heard this somewhere before.
Oh, yeah, constantly, from the rabid left in the media for the last 2 decades or so.
What the hell is wrong with you ace?
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 04:07 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 04:08 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 04:08 PM (zLeKL)
Bialek sued WGN in a sexual harassment case. Now go dig.
I have that on excellent authority.
It's not that I want to see Cain win, I don't. I don't want to validate the Alinsky tactical response team. Remember Bimbo eruptions? Get ready for this to be employed again and again if successful. Who needs the truth when innuendo and 1/2 told stories are good enough? Stroll through Washington or Chicago holding a ticket to a government job and see how many takers there are that can 'twist' their stories to advance their careers. Progressives are nothing if not committed.
Posted by: Stephanie (former posted as bmeuppls) at November 08, 2011 04:08 PM (hGYL3)
So fans and listeners are dolts.
Seems I've heard this somewhere before.
Oh, yeah, constantly, from the rabid left in the media for the last 2 decades or so.
What the hell is wrong with you ace?
Some fans and listeners (and readers) are dolts.Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 04:08 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 07:52 PM (nj1bB)
Oh comon. You know as good as I do what the Cainiacs actually mean by that. That your ego and your Perry advocacy are the only problems here, that Cain is a daring outsider, a great candidate and that he would continue to be a success if the critics just stopped berating him.
Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 08, 2011 04:09 PM (P/F96)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 04:09 PM (nj1bB)
@836
You poor lone ranger!
You, the only brave one, willing to say unpopular things!
So brave, so unappreciated.
The one true lover of truth.
Get over yourself.
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 04:10 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 04:10 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Zombie Johnnie Cockhran at November 08, 2011 04:11 PM (i3PJU)
No I know that, they will claim that they were right to push back and so on. That they were right to be wrong. They have already begun building that defense.
i don't often listen to talk radio. but, I believe Rush's premise was To not just go down the road of a hit job pushed by media , to wait for facts.
he isn't a cainiac but wanted to wait for facts, knowing what the media can do.
ace you have said several times you knew about this a couple of mths ago, why not let others catch up to the facts as they present themselves instead of attacking those that aren't convinced as yet?
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 04:11 PM (h+qn8)
@846
It's pretty standard groupthink among conservatives that the liberal media is not to be trusted on first glance.
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 04:11 PM (HPcQF)
How was it disposed?
And women have been sexually harassed twice in a lifetime.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 04:12 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 04:12 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Zombie Johnnie Cockhran at November 08, 2011 04:13 PM (i3PJU)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 04:14 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: sandy burger at November 08, 2011 07:52
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 08:01
ty both for that brief lesson.
I find it rather confusing, especially the part about paying taxes to the city but not being allowed to vote for city officials.
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 04:15 PM (d6QMz)
Except it's all verifiably false, he didn't go to the hospital to divorce his wife, she requested the divorce prior to going into the hospital, and she didn't have cancer, and she never died, and it happened what 15-20 years ago? Other than those facts sure Edwards out and out cheating on his dying wife during a presidential campaign is better.
............
SO? You know why his wife was leaving him? Because he was CHEATING ON HER with his soon to be 2nd wife! Only to CHEAT on her with a MUCH younger aide and leave her when she was diagnosed with MS! That Aide is now his 3rd wife! Newt is a creep.
Posted by: Raquel at November 08, 2011 04:15 PM (1wgaP)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 04:16 PM (nj1bB)
@855
Of course I don't think you're dumb.
Sometimes the popular thing to say is also true, in this case, "A conservative should by definition never trust the liberal media and never allow the liberal media to frame the debate on their terms."
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 04:17 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 08:06 PM (nj1bB)
What many of us don't like, Ace, is not your everyday negative comments about a particular conservative, but your seemingly insane obsession to destroy him completely. And doing this before any solid facts are known about any of these alleged events.
Posted by: Soona at November 08, 2011 04:17 PM (E9uDr)
That will be different though right?
Posted by: Zombie Johnnie Cockhran at November 08, 2011 04:17 PM (i3PJU)
The same people who are blubbering now about "hit jobs" and "character assassination," including the Limbaughs and Levins of the world
I bet you money right now, they are scared of this Frankenstein they have made and are looking for some way to get out of this with some credibility intact. They started ratcheting back their unqualified support this morning with far more "I don't knows" than before.
Just as much as the Cainiacs want to throw this in Ace's face, I'm getting the picture Ace* wants to throw this in their face. Not a good situation. Normally I'd be good with the big big dogs getting nipped, they need it, but right now really ain't a good time for the ego fights.
*(Sorry for talking about you in the third while your in the room)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 04:17 PM (0q2P7)
And women have been sexually harassed twice in a lifetime
Random true enough,
still some women also lie.
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 04:18 PM (h+qn8)
802: I just can't buy the "he reached up my dress and groped my genitals", I can't but any of it, it is just too ridiculous for words. Its what a women might conjure up in her dreams. No guy is going to make an opening move like that, come on, its ridiculous, how far does anyone think they would get like that and where would there be any titillation to enjoy?
I think this too, but women tell me different. There are in fact some guys who just charge in, it turns out.
Never in my experience or have I ever heard that from any woman I know --in an initial encounter, kissing comes first, and usually other things. Especially before the head push. I mean, she doesn't even claim that his fly was open. Ridiculous.
Posted by: LAsue at November 08, 2011 04:18 PM (pWeX5)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 04:18 PM (nj1bB)
What if the allegations against Cain are true for the most part...but Bialek really is a crazy lying freak?
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 04:19 PM (hIWe1)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 04:19 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 08:15 PM (d6QMz)
i would also, it seems you are asked to be a responsible person in the community but you have no say in what happens.
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 04:19 PM (h+qn8)
@855
And while I don't think you're dumb, I do believe your denigration of Rush Limbaugh is small, petty, and unappreciative of his enormous contribution to the cause of intelligent conservatism.
I don't agree with everything he says or does, but I recognize his, yes, greatness.
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 04:19 PM (HPcQF)
Though we still sometimes buy their stories because of the headlines. They are great about using a headline that is contradicted by the story. That is one problem with keeping-up with the news, is reading all the stories and having to determine what is fact and what is fiction. Sometimes you have to read more than one story to find it, too. I hate it.
Posted by: Miss'80s hates the media at November 08, 2011 04:20 PM (d6QMz)
still some women also lie.
Yeah, I know this. In another context, I write treatises on it.
But Cain won't deny one specific thing he's being accused of.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 04:21 PM (YiE0S)
What are you going to do if say Perry drops out? You will support Newt right? And let's say in a miracle Newt gets the nomination. What are you going to do once the MSM locks in on Newt during the General election (you know they will, especially with Newt's long history of "women troubles")?
Posted by: Raquel at November 08, 2011 04:21 PM (1wgaP)
Posted by: Zombie Johnnie Cockhran at November 08, 2011 04:21 PM (i3PJU)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 04:22 PM (nj1bB)
@867
I have only listened to Rush the last few days and can therefore only speak to him.
He has not done one thing you've claimed he's done.
That I've heard.
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 04:22 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 08:19 PM (nj1bB)
I would definitely like to see more evidence than, "I have it on good authority."
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 04:22 PM (YiE0S)
Inhuman thought control cult. Dude, step away from the syfy.
I would call it the rugby scrum. All that's needed is a lefty to toss in the football and our team kills each other to pick up the ball and score an own goal. It's the melee that is killing our side, not an adherence to proper thoughts. Rule of law not rule of men, now we could be accused of being guilty of that. Cause without rule of law we are no better than the progs. And we aren't advocating that.
Those rushing to judgment on any candidate on 4 or 6 or 10 'anythings' thrown out by 'anyone' should take a long hard look at exactly what 'the rule of law' means in this context. Everyone has an agenda and strict adherence to our principles including the rule of law will mitigate those agendas gaining purchase.
Posted by: Stephanie (former posted as bmeuppls) at November 08, 2011 04:22 PM (hGYL3)
Then this scandal comes along. Whether true or not, I hope this scandal does him in. If he's innocent, I'm sorry but let him sue. I don't care. He's bad for the country and if this is how we get rid of him, fine by me.
That's why I don't give a shit if Ace is being fair to Cain. It's also why I won't mind people attacking Romney on his Mormonism, as an atheist I don't really give a shit about his religious picadilloes. Romney, like Cain, is such a bad candidate that I just want to bring him down.
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 08:08 PM (zLeKL)
Teh newsletter. I haz subscription plz?
Posted by: Barbarian at November 08, 2011 04:23 PM (EL+OC)
Ace:
Like I said, I do listen to them. As of this morning, (and last night for Levin) all of them are ratcheting back to a "this is still a media hit job, but, I don't know, let's wait and see the evidence" stance.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 04:24 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Zombie Johnnie Cockhran at November 08, 2011 04:24 PM (i3PJU)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 04:24 PM (nj1bB)
I'm more than able to respond to your inquiry BUT, since you seem to ignore meet you can go to hell.
Posted by: Barbarian at November 08, 2011 04:26 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 04:27 PM (nj1bB)
That's why I don't give a shit if Ace is being fair to Cain.
Doing that is just as bad as the groupthink to cover it up. In fact worse cause it would mean Ace lied to my face saying that resisting the pressure of consensus in pushing what he believed to be false was his moral high ground.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 04:27 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Zombie Johnnie Cockhran at November 08, 2011 04:27 PM (i3PJU)
You don't have, or need, evidence to take down Herman Cain.
You've even said so yourself.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at November 08, 2011 07:48 PM (51YA7)
If you are going to be dishonest, War, you might not want to post links disproving your own statements. If you seriously cannot understand that a person can reasonably come a conclusion based on limited evidence, and that people may legitimately disagree, than can I suggest that you shut up?
This is why I have been defending Ace, not because I necessarily agree with his conclusions (I agree, he has been a little too ready to believe Cain's accusers), but because so much of his opposition is incapable of arguing honestly.
Posted by: Grey Fox at November 08, 2011 04:27 PM (MSCON)
Posted by: LAsue at November 08, 2011 04:29 PM (pWeX5)
no idea why you said that, she is always respectful of everyone.
even me .
perhaps she just missed a query of yours?
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 04:29 PM (h+qn8)
@833
Fine ace.
Ignore Politico's bias.
Ignore their use of initially unnamed sources.
Ignore the fact that these factors caused a completely rational response from conservatives along the lines of--"I don't believe you."
I can recognize the possibility that Cain is not a good person and, at the same time, tell Politico to "F*ck off."
It can be a hitjob, and be true, as someone else has pointed out.
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 04:30 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: Zombie Johnnie Cockhran at November 08, 2011 04:31 PM (i3PJU)
That's why I don't give a shit if Ace is being fair to Cain.
for crying out loud so you would prefer everyone lies to get your way?
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 04:31 PM (h+qn8)
That Alinsky fella, being one of the world's premier psychics, knew back in the 90's that Cain would be a future GOP candidate.
Once his magic crystal ball revealed Cain's destiny, he set about his master plan to coerce the two NRA employees to file sexual harassment complaints against him such that they could futher his dastardly plan in 2011.
That you gullible MSM loving RINO fools can't recognize just how deep and far back the conspiracy goes is your fault.
Thank God we have geniuses like Stephanie to see through the paranormal plot.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2011 04:31 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 04:31 PM (nj1bB)
Cain says willing to take lie detector test
November 08, 2011 18:16 EST
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. (AP) -- Herman Cain says he'd be willing to
take a lie detector test to prove he's being truthful when he says
he has never behaved inappropriately with anyone.
But he says he won't submit to such an examination without a
good reason.
FWIW.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 08, 2011 04:31 PM (m1fYm)
I have no idea what you are talking about here.
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 04:32 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Zombie Johnnie Cockhran at November 08, 2011 04:33 PM (i3PJU)
Posted by: kansas at November 08, 2011 04:33 PM (sAyEO)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 04:33 PM (nj1bB)
Kinda like the whisper campaign of sexual harassment against Herman Cain oh those many months ago?
I find it interesting as to which whisper campaigns you put your stock in, though.
Interesting, too. let's just say Cain has friends in radio. Who are pissed.
Posted by: Stephanie (former posted as bmeuppls) at November 08, 2011 04:33 PM (hGYL3)
Also, seems as though maybe she didn't get a promotion that she thought she deserved and decided it had to be because of Cain and therefore went after him? He did note that he had VP's answering him and she was the next level down and was invited to the conferences he held with their managers. It all stinks.
Last night people were saying the Republican field was so weak and unappealing cause the honchos of the Republican party had decided to give BO his second term so they could come out like gangbusters in 2016 with folks like Marco Rubio. If you notice a hit piece recently appeared about Rubio and for good measure george snufflupagus had an embarrassing interview with Romney...cause maybe he's next up on the hit parade or maybe he's the candidate the dems most want to run against. Who knows.
But hey in this 7 dimensional chess game called politics they boxed herman cain in, you either believe him or you don't.
Posted by: surprised at November 08, 2011 04:34 PM (k1rwm)
Newt's woman troubles are
1 Old news.
2 He has already admitted, apologized, and rehabilitated.
3 Not something that amounts to sexual assault, nor sexual harassment.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 04:35 PM (0q2P7)
Only a stupid fucking moron would take the side of.....
Posted by: Breaker19 at November 08, 2011 04:36 PM (e6MoS)
Posted by: BurtTC at November 08, 2011 04:36 PM (Gc/Qi)
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. (AP) -- Herman Cain says he'd be willing to
take a lie detector test to prove he's being truthful when he says
he has never behaved inappropriately with anyone.
But he says he won't submit to such an examination without a
good reason.
FWIW.
Yeah. He said that in the presser.
He also said he had no idea who the woman with Allred was, had never seen her before in his life.
Then he went on to detail how he remembered when she left his company a decade and a half earlier, how she reported to his VP, that he had office interactions several times with her at NRA headquarters, and that she attended meetings with him as a member of a group. He didn't mention, as it happens, that witnesses report she confronted him at a Tea Party event a little over a month before he saw her on TV accusing him of inappropriate sexual behavior, and he had no idea who she is.
But apparently Cain performed magnificently, and this press conference was a huge win.
Or something.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 04:37 PM (YiE0S)
CEOs don't get to the top of the food chain by being loveable, gentle giants. At minimum they are arrogant, selfish and have huge egos despite any superficial charm. At worst they are sociopaths. In fact, they have the highest number of sociopaths by group in all professions.
People assume they "know" others based on superficial interactions or media presence. You can't. Even your friends and family members will surprise you in certain situations.
Posted by: misty at November 08, 2011 04:37 PM (LBn7L)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 04:38 PM (nj1bB)
Right because we can eek out 4 more years with the current financial situation. 4 months at this point is iffy, I said back in September we would be lucky to make it to Christmas before the meltdown. And we still have a month and a half to go.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 04:39 PM (0q2P7)
Begun 15 years earlier, when he was a pizza company CEO cum industry association CEO.
Stephanie, I'd love to have your brain. Life would, if nothing else, be simple.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 04:40 PM (YiE0S)
Elize Nayden at November 08, 2011 08:09 PM (P/F96)
you think cain is an "outsider"??
deputy chairman of KC federal reserve, adviser to dole during 96 campaign, lobbyist for NRA, presidential candidate 2000, senate campaign 2004 and once again running for president. he's like romney in that they only reason he isnt a professional pol is that he cant win an election!!
Posted by: chas at November 08, 2011 04:40 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 04:41 PM (zLeKL)
Posted by: BurtTC at November 08, 2011 08:36 PM (Gc/Qi)
I'm not alone in saying I choose neither. I'll vote so I can help all the republicans on the ballot but if it's Perry or Romney I refuse to vote for either one. It's my vote, it's my right. If the Republicans can only put up the desired candidate of a few insiders then the many will probably want to teach them a lesson. They seem to have forgotten that time a couple years back when Republican voters just stayed home.
Posted by: surprised at November 08, 2011 04:41 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 04:41 PM (nj1bB)
The irony in that statement is so thick you can cut it with a knife.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 04:41 PM (0q2P7)
we have a respected opinionater like ace saying what he believes is the truth and we have rebellion,
we also have had rebellion over a myriad of issues while we still remain here arguing , our causes, we also have agreement on many issues (are those group think)?.
don't limit the exchange and make all concerned irrelevant for their arguments.
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 04:41 PM (h+qn8)
1 Old news.
2 He has already admitted, apologized, and rehabilitated.
3 Not something that amounts to sexual assault, nor sexual harassment.
+1
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 04:42 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Barbarian at November 08, 2011 04:42 PM (EL+OC)
Posted by: Deuces Wild at November 08, 2011 04:43 PM (ucERL)
@897
You can criticize any damn hero you want.
I guess I had hoped your criticism of Rush was based on some bad thing he had done. I still have no idea what your beef is with him and that's why it seems small and petty.
As far as being a hit-job, and true at the same time, I guess what I mean is Politico's initial story was an attempt to damage Cain based on, at the time, anonymous sources for which Politico reaped some well-deserved criticism which, in turn, caused it to go into panic mode printing a new Cain story about nothing every 30 seconds or so. And then, later, named sources come forward and we conclude that indeed Cain is guilty of sexual harassment. Our ultimate conclusion that Cain is guilty does not excuse or forgive Politico's shoddy journalistic hatchet job designed soley to inflict damage to Cain's campaign.
It's been a long day. Does this make sense?
Posted by: Dave at November 08, 2011 04:44 PM (HPcQF)
That's because of the mistakes of both candidates. It has not a darned thing to do with the establishment.
GOP voters can still vote for either if they wish. In the case of Bachman at least, most just decided they wish not.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 04:44 PM (YiE0S)
Newt's woman troubles are
1 Old news.
2 He has already admitted, apologized, and rehabilitated.
3 Not something that amounts to sexual assault, nor sexual harassment.
.................
You really believe that? Newt is Rehabilitated? How old are the allegations against Cain? 14-15 years? When did Newt leave his 2nd wife who was diagnosed with MS for his MUCH younger mistress, who now is also his wife? 10-12 years ago you say? OOPS! And let's not forget about Newt's "documentary video-campaign finance issues" Or how the MSM will Palinize him for his "lavish" spending at Tiffany's, cruises, etc.
Newt is like a mouse to the MSM (the cat), he is so easy to destroy.
Posted by: Raquel at November 08, 2011 04:45 PM (1wgaP)
Posted by: surprised at November 08, 2011 04:45 PM (k1rwm)
((Dave, how can it be "a hitjob" and also "true"? ))
Dude, are you ever naive. Some friend tells you that she has a friend that claimed that Herman Cain sexually harassed her and got a settlement and there was another one that did, too. You don't know the details but surely where there is smoke there is fire so you lob a grenade in to see if anything else floats to the top and VOILA a pattern of harassment emerges. Lin Wood, attorney at law, sues all involved and it turns out the lady #1 was really offended by the 'how high' hand gesture lady #2 turns out to have been claiming something that turns out Cain's wife was at the apartment when she claims he took her there, but they paid her off cause who wants a disloyal and lying puke on staff lady #3 well, she's batfrisch crazy and #4 rescinded her claims.... in 2015 the NYT publishes a column on page 12 "Cain exonerated" - settlement in the $7 figures. Life goes on. Except the NRA is bankrupt, the women are toast and Cain quotes some dude about where to go to get his reputation back and donates the money to his church.
Posted by: Stephanie (former posted as bmeuppls) at November 08, 2011 04:46 PM (hGYL3)
CEOs don't get to the top of the food chain by being loveable, gentle giants. At minimum they are arrogant, selfish and have huge egos despite any superficial charm. At worst they are sociopaths. In fact, they have the highest number of sociopaths by group in all professions.
People assume they "know" others based on superficial interactions or media presence. You can't. Even your friends and family members will surprise you in certain situations.
Posted by: misty at November 08, 2011 08:37 PM (LBn7L)
Misty, with deep respect, I say thanks for this cogent analysis.Now I personally think it's possible to be a CEO and a good bloke or lady. But you're right about a high percentage of sociopaths reaching this pinnacle.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 04:46 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: BurtTC at November 08, 2011 04:46 PM (Gc/Qi)
To women making $35k a year, a payout of a years salary of $35k probably seemed like a hell of a lot of money.
Posted by: What Now?! at November 08, 2011 04:47 PM (piMMO)
you think cain is an "outsider"??
I have no idea, because I dont care about the "outsider" label. I commented on the things I usualy read from Cainiacs. That comment wasnt about my views.
Posted by: Elize Nayden at November 08, 2011 04:48 PM (P/F96)
Rush has publicly acknowledged that he sees himself primarily as an entertainer... because it's true. I was surprised that he honestly admitted it the first time I heard him say it.
Does anyone really think he'd have the fan base he does if he went all Bill Buckley, Charles Krauthammer or Milton Freidman? Hell no he wouldn't. When it comes to a choice between giving his fans what they want, or telling them what they don't want to hear, he'll pick the former almost every time- hence his commercial success.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2011 04:48 PM (SY2Kh)
Just so you know, Cain is serious about winning the nomination and he is not at all in it to throw it to Romney. That's why he spent the weekend in Alabama where they vote on March 13, 2012--after Super Tuesday. Because that is where all the serious candidates are, only the stupid ones are in IA, NH, SC, FL or NV. That Cain, he's in it to win it, alright. After the vote in Alabama on the 13th of March, Cain will endorse McCain Romney by the 31st, totally out of the blue--'cause all real, true conservatives support Romney.
Posted by: jimmuy at November 08, 2011 04:48 PM (pXUfx)
To women making $35k a year, a payout of a years salary of $35k probably seemed like a hell of a lot of money.
Posted by: What Now?! at November 08, 2011 08:47 PM (piMMO)
Especially if it came with a nice recommendation letter or two to help her get a new job.
Posted by: buzzion at November 08, 2011 04:49 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Paul at November 08, 2011 04:50 PM (DsHk0)
he had an opt out
current tax code with the AMT in place, is an issue
have no answer, i actually don't know, but i do know His state is surviving while the rest of us are hitting the gutter
border stuff is an issue.
that He has troops on the border because the feds do shit?
His immigration policy, is an issue.
Ice agents are told to release them by the gvt?
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 04:50 PM (h+qn8)
Stephanie, you were talking about a whispering campaign. You said:
"Kinda like the whisper campaign of sexual harassment against Herman Cain oh those many months ago?
"I find it interesting as to which whisper campaigns you put your stock in, though."
So don't give me that horseshit, as you just tried to pass off:
"Random can't keep the women straight. Might want to take a timeline and some remedial blog reading and work on that. You are conflating two different women, but why the fuck not?
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 04:50 PM (YiE0S)
he had an opt out
current tax code with the AMT in place, is an issue
have no answer, i actually don't know, but i do know His state is surviving while the rest of us are hitting the gutter
border stuff is an issue.
that He has troops on the border because the feds do shit?
His immigration policy, is an issue.
Ice agents are told to release them by the gvt?
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 08:50 PM (h+qn
Don't waste time with the troll. The reason it thinks Gardisil is an issue is because it was her mom that talked to Bachman after the debate.
Posted by: buzzion at November 08, 2011 04:52 PM (GULKT)
If he did this, and he is not a recently reformed crack head, then in his position, with his extensive background in corporate life and constant travel and private offices, there is going to be at least 25 more women showing up in the next few weeks.
That is the litmus test.
Otherwise its all BS.
Posted by: NortonPete at November 08, 2011 04:52 PM (8zxoH)
Posted by: Capitol Punishment ePub at November 08, 2011 04:53 PM (YFCSN)
To women making $35k a year, a payout of a years salary of $35k probably seemed like a hell of a lot of money.
Posted by: What Now?! at November 08, 2011 08:47 PM (piMMO)
sure, most women are, including me, but harrassed doesn't mean omg he asked me out, or he asked me if i wanted sex with him
harrassed is being harrassed. called week after week, threats . that's harrassed
i left my job went elsewhere.
of course i was in a male dominated field and expected men to be ass's. I chose my job, for the pay. i did not ask a company to pay for other jerks behavior. did you?
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 04:54 PM (h+qn8)
Ok lets talk them out. One by one.
1 Old news.
Yes everybody knows everything about Newt's past, and has for over a decade. It has almost graduated from old news to historical footnote at this point.
2 He has already admitted, apologized, and rehabilitated. Yes; He has admitted to wrong doing. As far as I know he has been hitched to this chick for 11 years. He is currently 68 years old. I think he is over chasing tail.
3 Not something that amounts to sexual assault, nor sexual harassment. He cheated on his wives, and later married his mistresses. This is not sexual assault nor harassment.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 04:54 PM (0q2P7)
Are you going to have a thread up on the Elections?
The Republicans are about to win the state house in MS for the first time since reconstruction.
OH, KY also
Posted by: Raquel at November 08, 2011 04:56 PM (1wgaP)
Posted by: Stephanie (former posted as bmeuppls) at November 08, 2011 08:46 PM (hGYL3)
You ... are insane.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 04:56 PM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Joffen at November 08, 2011 04:57 PM (Wgcz2)
he had an opt out
An "opt out" for a personal issue that has to be filed with a department of the state is overly intrusive.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 04:58 PM (0q2P7)
But they aren't.
Posted by: Stephanie (former posted as bmeuppls) at November 08, 2011 04:59 PM (hGYL3)
He seems like a nice man but I don't think he'll play in some states.
Truthfully, with the exception of Cain, no one else is really up for the job. But then again, my conception of the job is cutting the government, getting rid of whole department starting with the Department of Education. Cutting the number of federal employees at least in half. I'm not interested in voting for a romney who try and tweak the present system or a perry who will be in way way way over his head. he can't get the feds to do something about the border now, he's an ineffective leader. Would be nice if he could point to having the border controlled to land him the presidency.
You should also check out the stores by some reporter about his religious stuff. It's giving a lot of people the creeps. It's probably not factual or right, it's probably a total hit job but, it's out there and people are believing it. I've posted the links a while back. I thought it should be addressed head on which is why I posted the links. Instead I was treated to vilification and threatened with my life. So I gathered no one wanted to talk about anything critical of the guy.
Posted by: surprised at November 08, 2011 05:00 PM (k1rwm)
Ok well you aren't going to get Perry because he decided to punch the base in the face.
And you won't get Romney, because he won't give the base the time of day.
So try again.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 05:00 PM (0q2P7)
NortonPete at November 08, 2011 08:52 PM (8zxoH)
and how did you arrive at 25? it couldve been a phase he was going thru. mid life type of things, not feeling as masculine as before and trying to prove it by scoring young chicks, rough patch w/ his wife and wanting some strange, who knows?
Posted by: chas at November 08, 2011 05:01 PM (xAq1C)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 05:01 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: ace at November 08, 2011 05:02 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 08:58 PM (0q2P7)
Mike i agree, but he had an opt out, He also apologised that it wasn't a great decision.
this is where i am at.
romney -obamacare-not conservative
perry-can't debate .goofy-conservative-state is working
cain- wasn't great , but actually discussed taxes and americas excellance
paul- just.can't -foreign policy
so what now? (sorry what now)
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 05:03 PM (h+qn8)
The company is liable under law for the actions of their employees, as is the employee themselves. While I respect what you describe of your work history and the action you took, I wouldn't disrespect a woman for suing for genuine sexual harassment.
Why should she have to suck some old guy's cock, and not only - say - her husband's in order to get a job, a raise, a position, or keep a position, or what have you? For that matter, why should women who aren't attractive enough to even receive the offer have to work at a place where this goes on and they lose out financially and career-wise as a result?
This behavior is shit, and if a company gets sued over it, good. If the behavior is coming from the CEO, well then hell yeah, sue the friggin' company if this happens.
Or not. Your choice. But I sure as hell wouldn't slag a woman for it.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 05:03 PM (YiE0S)
I can think of thirty other scenarios that also satisfy the hit job and true requirement. Doesn't make em wrong, doesn't make em right. But it does mean that hit job and true is an option.
You get your learning from the public trough where thinking outside the box isn't considered good for the collective?
Posted by: Stephanie (former posted as bmeuppls) at November 08, 2011 05:04 PM (hGYL3)
ace he leaves it there on the table. Why doesn't he just say he wants to get rid of it? I know too many people who have been invaded by the IRS over the AMT. They are having to pay money on payment plans cause they didn't realize they were going to have to pay the AMT. If he leaves both plans in place he leaves an opportunity for the next dem president to repeal his flat tax and go back to dem business as usual, including the AMT.
The guardisil thing matters to a lot of women. I'm not alone.
Posted by: surprised at November 08, 2011 05:05 PM (k1rwm)
Posted by: Back to Work epub at November 08, 2011 05:08 PM (vD1Mq)
Dude. I am not one issue on that. I wouldn't not vote for the guy over that. But your side needs to realize it is a slippery slope issue. Fill out a form and file with government for conducting your life in a way government doesn't recommend? Where does that end? Where do I file to get my salt shaker permit?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 05:09 PM (0q2P7)
Ace,
Not that you should give a darn for what I think, but I appreciate you, and I agree with you that I have been discouraged by the "conservative media" response to the allegations, in that acknowledging that there might be something to the charges somehow brands you a traitor to the party. I don't buy the fact that just because the left goes all out for their own people and is willing to forgive any sin, as long as it is the right guy, that the right should be doing it too. (For what its worth, I don't think even the left would be doing this for a pre-nominee candidate; they were brutal to Howard Dean, because he wasn't "their guy" yet).
I also resent the charges that I have heard often, that X candidate's supporters want the charges to be true. I would love for there to be an awesome candidate that everyone loves; I don't think it has happened in the history of any primaries I remember. (I'm old enough to remember quite a few, but not a ton).
I have a slightly different take on Rush. I think the biggest thing is that Cain originally came out with a complete denial, which given the history of the media, I can forgive Rush for crediting. But then Cain's story started changing, and getting weirder and more inconsistent. For better or worse, opinion guys hate to be "wrong" on an issue, because it affects their credibility in the future. So as Cain's defense became more tortuous, so did Rush's defense of Cain, because Rush couldn't be "wrong" in fully defending Cain. I think the best thing he could have done was to either avoid jumping in, or when Cain's story began getting odd, to say "I was quick to rush to judgment, which given the media's history is understandable, let's see how this pans out. I think he effectively foreclosed the latter option when he decided to accept advertising from the Cain campaign, which in my mind was a horrible decision. Then he couldn't say, maybe there is something wrong here, because "hey, remember that sweet, sweet money we paid to advertise on your show?" I think Rush backed himself into a corner regarding Cain, and the result is this "older conservatives like me (who are getting paid directly by the Cain campaign) don't fall for the media hype."
Anyway, this post is too long. Know that you have supporters.
Posted by: Herman Cain for America at November 08, 2011 05:11 PM (Jl3Mu)
But the opt out is still not the right thing.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at November 08, 2011 05:11 PM (0q2P7)
although in my case my jerk was reprimanded and givin a warning.
but you know what there are other jobs out there and you find the environment that fits.
so should we sue if a boss makes one work 5 minutes into lunch?
if a boss doesn't want you to stay home and take care of the sick child> but work? see i dislike boss's in general but i like the fact i have power and can walk.
i'm not advocating for shutting you eyes to shitty behavior, i am however disgusted that others are supposed to be responsible for my behavior . they aren't i am
or they are someone else is not.
if they have committed a crime call the cops
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 05:12 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: surprised at November 08, 2011 09:05 PM (k1rwm)
on the tax plan, you cant just do a complete radical reworking. as much as a small segment of conservatives may want it shit-canned and fixed it wont fly w/ the majority of americans. put a plan in place that allows those people to keep their security blankets, some will check out the new plan, word will get out and more will look into it. people dont like drastic change, ease them into new things. its sucks and all but its reality.
Posted by: chas at November 08, 2011 05:13 PM (xAq1C)
Doesn't bother me. You have a consult with your primary care physician, read the standard vaccination form, and make a decision. If you want to opt-out, they will have already walked you through that and you fill-out the paperwork.
Posted by: Miss'80s at November 08, 2011 05:16 PM (d6QMz)
I understand that. Look maybe perry ought to be the candidate that promises complete repeal of the AMT. Honestly my friend the nurse married to the cop was horrified to receive the registered letter from the IRS telling them they owed the AMT. One of my other friends said to her "I told you, you shoudl have used turbo tax" but that wasn't the point. The point was that the tax wasn't supposed to be applicable to the nurse and the cop, they are middle class. It was supposed to be applicable to the very very rich. It's now descending on the middle class and people really don't like it. See BO got his "if you make two hundred thousand" extra tax by using the AMT and the republicans inside the beltway let him get away with it. Maybe if one of the 8 decides to address the AMT head on, maybe they will turn a few heads in their direction.
Posted by: surprised at November 08, 2011 05:18 PM (k1rwm)
... "but you know what there are other jobs out there and you find the environment that fits."
willow, not every woman has the ability to do this and get away with it. It isn't a good principle to enshrine in law.
The idea that your 17 year old daughter doesn't have to suck her manager's penis and swallow in his semen in order not to have her hours cut at McDonald's, though, is a good idea, and I'd like her to have another recourse at her disposal other than to physically fight a man, or quit and go to Burger King or IBM, where the same management policy is perfectly legal.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 05:19 PM (YiE0S)
i want accusations to be real. not omg he looked at me wrong. or whatever.
hell we should than sue half the men on the street
and what about women that wink or smile wrong?
bs
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 05:22 PM (h+qn8)
The idea that your 17 year old daughter doesn't have to suck her manager's penis and swallow in his semen in order not to have her hours cut at McDonald's, though, is a good idea, and I'd like her to have another recourse at her disposal other than to physically fight a man, or quit and go to Burger King or IBM, where the same management policy is perfectly legal.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 09:19 PM (YiE0S)
yeah i get you, i'm just tired of b.s
and most are.
most are not you do this or else.
it's he kept looking at my boobs
so i hear ya, and back down. tired of it.
it lessons real harrassment
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 05:25 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: surprised at November 08, 2011 09:18 PM (k1rwm)
amt aint going away, too many repub congresscritters that want to keep it and the dems, well its a non-starter w/ them.
Posted by: chas at November 08, 2011 05:25 PM (xAq1C)
btw i am 5' 1 and you learn fast
Posted by: willow at November 08, 2011 05:26 PM (h+qn8)
So to repeat:
NOW I know what's been putting me off about you're columns about Cain; no humor.
They've been overlong (but you've done that before) and they've been tedious and nit picky (but you've done that before).
It's that they were sooooo f'nning humorless!!!
Damn man, that's what I visit here for; the tasteless, obscene and scatological humor.
You were just so f'ing tight ass about it all.
I guess Perry's fall and then this kinda put you in a funk, huh?
Well the last two columns were amusing (as they should be) and disrespectful and witty so that's when I realized what was missing in the other columns about Cain and his trials and tribulations.
Welcome back. Hope you stay awhile. That "other" Ace is a tightass dickwad and I'd rather not see him anymore.
Posted by: Valar Dohaeris at November 08, 2011 05:27 PM (EntKW)
Sister, I'm with you. At one and only one company (a big one that made the HR Sexual Harassment Officer position a big one and she needed something to do), I had two sexual harassment allegations against me. One 'cause I asked a girl, a co-worker, on a date. She said no. I let it slide. Never asked her again. And that was it.
It was "investigated", and dropped.
Another 'cause, if I understand correctly, I scratched my nuts.
And women are capable of outright malice, not just stupid shit as above. I get that.
I'm talking more about serious, actual sexual harassment, which is a real concept, I believe.
Frankly, I wouldn't want my wife to have to choose between losing her job in a tight economy or eating out her lesbian boss's pussy. Nor would it be proper for me to have to choose whether to take a dick up my ass (or a pussy in my face) to keep my job and be able to feed my family, if I had one.
That's what I'm talking about, that and way over the top hostile workplaces.
Not the odd sex joke or someone dating someone else at the office or giving someone a compliment.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 05:27 PM (YiE0S)
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Posted by: Boone at November 08, 2011 05:33 PM (Jl3Mu)
I'm talking more about serious, actual sexual harassment, which is a real concept, I believe.
Frankly, I wouldn't want my wife to have to choose between losing her job in a tight economy or eating out her lesbian boss's pussy. Nor would it be proper for me to have to choose whether to take a dick up my ass (or a pussy in my face) to keep my job and be able to feed my family, if I had one.
That's what I'm talking about, that and way over the top hostile workplaces.
Not the odd sex joke or someone dating someone else at the office or giving someone a compliment.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 09:27 PM (YiE0S)
as i said I hear you.
i just have an expectation when someone is being destroyed it's real.
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Posted by: Grey Fox at November 08, 2011 08:27 PM (MSCON) "
Yes, I agree people like yourself are incapable of arguing honestly. I defend only Ace's right to put forth his argument even though it's very flawed. Something is amiss and it is called evidence. Mrs Bialek wanted advice, well get it over the phone! Herman to Bialek, sorry don't remember you lady. We need records from 14 years ago, provide them Mr Cain. Bizatch show me some of your receipts from 14 years ago, uh uh, yeah that's what I thought.
I swear I gotta practice that move he allegedly pulled, hand up skirt from across from the drivers seat and hand on the head bring it to crotch, gonna call it the ole Bialek. Near impossible to do but hey, where there is smoke there has to be fire right! I mean that's a crotch grabbing head to crotch from drivers to passenger seat while leaning over the emergency break to get to her goodies and bring the head down. Makes total sense until you try it!
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Posted by: Deuces Wild at November 08, 2011 05:43 PM (ucERL)
His named accusers are both registered Republicans?
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 05:46 PM (YiE0S)
Cain loves Romney.
Cain rises
Cain falls.
Cain drops out and endorses Romney
Cainiacs don't see it coming and explode in a violent explosion so violently explosive I run out of repetitive uses of both words to describe the viosplosiveness.
Posted by: CAC at November 08, 2011 05:32 PM (Ugdnt)
By March 31, 2012. And I don't want to hear one damn word from you "conservatives" when it happens. We kept telling you Cain would do it. He has--over and over and over--telegraphed this what he will do. I mean, for fuck's sake, he's in Alabama while Perry and Romney are in Iowa. Yeah, real serious candidate for the nomination.
And when Romney give a great concession speech, go ahead and cuddle with that warm glow of "if only Cain would've stayed in" and keep telling yourself the lies.
Posted by: jimmuy at November 08, 2011 05:52 PM (pXUfx)
It shouldn't be a shock. The National Restaurant Association is a notoriously GOP-friendly organization: their big issues are lobbying against the minimum wage, national health care and anti-smoking regulations, after all.
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2011 06:16 PM (hIWe1)
Then I injured my back and taught myself to write "C/UNIX" programs and found a job on Wall St in the 90's.
I thought "wow"! there are good looking women everywhere on every floor of the building. I saw a target rich environment.
Unfortunately none of these women had any interest in any men around them and neither did the men.
There were a few very well publicised transgressions, but in 20 years I rarely saw anything that would make a water cooler story.
Its just all in our dreams, or on TV but it isn't in reality.
Posted by: NortonPete at November 08, 2011 06:28 PM (8zxoH)
I will wager anyone he will ONLY take a lie detector test in his lawyer's office with an examiner his lawyer chose and with a designated and limited list of questions. IF then.
Money is rolling in, though. Of course, our party is filled with suckers - Christine O'Donnell is still living off your contributions from last year, and I'm betting there is a strong overlap on their donors.
But stick with that Clinton plan of smearing the victims, y'all. Stay classy.
Posted by: Adjoran at November 08, 2011 06:56 PM (VfmLu)
Cain says willing to take lie detector test
November 08, 2011 18:16 EST
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. (AP) -- Herman Cain says he'd be willing to
take a lie detector test to prove he's being truthful when he says
he has never behaved inappropriately with anyone.
But he says he won't submit to such an examination without a
good reason.
FWIW.
Posted by: rickb223 at November 08, 2011 08:31 PM (m1fYm)
Oh, so Mr. "I am too serious about winning the GOP nomination" is in Arizona? You mean the state that doesn't have a primary until Febuary 28th? A week before Super Tuesday and therefore, ignored by everyone else? After IA, NH, SC, FL and NV? Meanwhile, both Romney and Perry were in Iowa today.
But Cain really, really, really, really is serious about running for the nomination.
And he will endorse Romney by March 31, 2012.
Posted by: jimmuy at November 08, 2011 07:20 PM (pXUfx)
988- here's the thing with that. I get the Christine O'Donnell vote. Would I rather it have been someone with some degree of competence? Yes. But I totally get people looking at Mike Castle, and saying "If we are going to have a senator who is licking Obama's boots, it may as well be a Democrat." Imagine the disappointment you feel when Brown, Snowe, Collins, and Lugar go with the Dems, now imagine them going with the Dems a lot more because Castle is more liberal than any of them and would have given them more cover to vote with the Dems. I totally get that.
I don't get the level of Cain support, however. It's not only that he doesn't have a conservative record, it is that when he is not on a script he talks like a moderate to liberal republican: pro-choice, pro-gun control, willing to negotiate with terrorists. And even when he is on script he is not conservative on fiscal issues: 9-9-9 adds a VAT & national sales tax, it also has wealth redistribution in the form of "entitlement zones."
The only things where Cain could be a conservative are things where he has offered no plan or a plan that is not patently offensive and ridiculous. Immigration: we will kill all incoming aliens. (Has he said anything about what he plans to do with those already here?); Foreign policy (I'll figure that out eventually, but not until I am president, or at least the nominee); Deficit Reduction: 9-9-9 - ??? - Deficit reduction! (By the way, "Defined contribution? wtf is that? Is that even a thing?")
So his conservative credentials are fairly suspect. but somehow he is the great conservative hope, who also thinks Romney has the right plan for America.
Posted by: Boone at November 08, 2011 07:22 PM (Jl3Mu)
The (apparent) speed which the "settlements" were paid to the women in 1999.
Do you think that any company is gonna chuck five figures at every woman that comes through the HR door with a "complaint" of feeling uncomfortable around a particular male co-worker? Really? And in just a few months after the complaint is made? Without any "witnesses" or corroborating testimony?
It's not real world to believe that. They would have dozens of settlements per year if it was so easy-breezy. Women would get jobs just so they could get settlements a few months later, then go home and live off that money instead of working.
The SPEED at which these settlements were paid out is a big red flag. Huge.
Posted by: GrandeMe at November 08, 2011 07:30 PM (gavWU)
When someone at any of the Wall Street firms I worked for started trouble over anything , especially with an upper level manager, we would "boot" them in one day and pay them the standard 3-6 month salary. Standard practice.
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Posted by: yomomma at November 08, 2011 08:19 PM (DKLl9)
998 - No, you don't get it.
It doesn't matter that this story didn't go away because Cain couldn't answer the question. (The ability to communicate clearly only matters when Perry flubs a debate answer.) It doesn't matter that Cain has changed his story numerous times. (Changing your answer numerous times only matters when Romney does it.) It doesn't matter that (unless you believe a whole bunch of women at different points in life decided to say that Cain sexually harassed them so that they, having access to the federal government mandated crystal ball, could rehash those charges years later when he was running for president) was flirty around women other than his wife, that only matters when Newt does it. What matters is that the media is reporting this story, and because they are reporting it, it is false. Even if Cain comes out and admits to doing something, it is because he is complicit with the media in bringing about his own demise, and he still would be the best candidate for office. Why doesn't it matter? Because few, if any, people who are voting for Herman Cain are voting for the actual man of that name, they are voting for the magical idea of a man they have determined that he is, any evidence to the contrary notwithstanding.
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Posted by: mrclark at November 08, 2011 09:24 PM (okzEB)
Idiots flocked to Christine because she was pretty. That's all it was. She kept over $1 million in her campaign account which she is now living on, legally, when she lost by a whopping margin. Only suckers gave her money.
The similarity with Cain is only the devotion of the followers. Once committed to her, they could never be convinced she wouldn't win. Palin's endorsement may have sealed the deal for some of them, but they would never listen to reason.
Similarly, Cain's supporters seem all to willing to use the old Clinton Smear Machine playbook to attack his attackers, smear his accusers, and criticize their lawyers. If he were caught tomorrow morning standing over a dead girl with a blood-dripping knife in his hand, his supporters would blame the liberal media.
Posted by: Adjoran at November 08, 2011 10:53 PM (VfmLu)
No, I think it was more the religious, faith-based thing.
She kept over $1 million in her campaign account which she is now living on, legally, when she lost by a whopping margin. Only suckers gave her money.
I pointed this out while she was raising it. No one cared. They just gave more.
Posted by: Random at November 08, 2011 10:56 PM (YiE0S)
No, I think it was more the religious, faith-based thing.
Oh, also I think it was an attraction by relatively low IQ voters to a candidate who was marginally, but not too much, smarter than them. I.e., someone they could look up to, but still relate too. Same thing with Huckabee, Palin, O'Donnell, Angle, Bachmann, Cain, whomever.Of course, there is a proven inverse correlation between IQ and religiosity, so my original point was related to my second point.
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