August 11, 2011
— Ace They just don't make any sense.
Even if they're supposed to be funny -- they're not, because there's no real point to them. It's unclear what he's mocking, or how these ads are intended to mock anything. They just seem to be flippantly nonsensical.
So, what is actual message here? What does he hope, tangibly, to get from these ads?
Okay, he's supposed to be spoofing these SuperPacs, I guess. Because they're The Devil. But his manner of spoofing them suggests they are trivial and ineffectual and silly, thus suggesting that they're not The Devil at all, and, at most, some distinctly sixth rate sort of bogeyman, like maybe Chuckie from Child's Play.
Then he seems to be going after Rick Perry (is he? I don't even know), but is also... um, increasing Rick Perry's name recognition without actually saying anything bad about him, apart from running some bad pictures.
But the whole thing's so meta I could see a casual viewer thinking Colbert likes Perry, and is just having fun with him.
I've never really gotten the metaness of Colbert's "Who are we lampooning again?" sort of humor. I think you can maybe get to the third level of ironic distance, tops, before everything just stops making sense; Colbert seems to be going for four.
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Posted by: Cu'Chulainn at August 11, 2011 01:15 PM (0/kkY)
It's his own personal way of being an Annoying Leftie Asshole--and that's all
Posted by: SantaRosaStan, only occasionally wrong at August 11, 2011 01:15 PM (UqKQV)
that is a very good question. Looking at them myself, it's not clear that they mean anything. He uses Perry's picture, spells it PArry, and then ??????
It's the underpants gnome school of campaigning.
It might make sense after a couple dozen bong hits, I guess.
Posted by: imp at August 11, 2011 01:16 PM (UaxA0)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at August 11, 2011 01:17 PM (Y5I9o)
So they posture and ramble and emote and pose. Sad, isn't it?
Posted by: SantaRosaStan, only occasionally wrong at August 11, 2011 01:18 PM (UqKQV)
Posted by: Roman Polanski at August 11, 2011 01:18 PM (4q6A5)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 11, 2011 01:18 PM (ljuHV)
Posted by: andy 'release the chemjeff one' canuck at August 11, 2011 01:20 PM (oUG6f)
I've got a lib friend that gets his news from Jon Stew and thinks that Colbert is an ULTRA conservative.
I weep for our country.
Posted by: © Sponge at August 11, 2011 01:20 PM (UK9cE)
Posted by: orAaron at August 11, 2011 01:20 PM (/kNi6)
Posted by: JohnJ at August 11, 2011 01:20 PM (O2W+F)
Posted by: Vic at August 11, 2011 01:21 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: cherry π at August 11, 2011 01:21 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2011 01:23 PM (7DB+a)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog
Well said. It's as Mark Steyn observed about Will Ferrell and his act of BUsh hatred, or the play "Cluster bombs from Jesus" which actually played on the West End. They convince no one ad say nothing new. They're more a form of masturbation.
A friend of mine who owns a book store showed me a parody of Palin's book, and showed it to me, musing whether I'd be bothered by it. I asked him why, and noted that it certainly wasn't the first piece of politcal satire I'd ever seen. Ht thought that I would be, since I seemed to like her. I responded by saying I was bothered by the fact that he would never have the guts to post something similar that questioned JEF. He simultaneously took offense to the assertion and admitted that he'd never carry such a thing. The blind spot these people have is enormous.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 11, 2011 01:23 PM (326rv)
He's liberal, after all, so results don't matter, only intentions. He intends them to do harm to Republicans, so he must be doing the right thing.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 11, 2011 01:23 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: eleven at August 11, 2011 01:24 PM (7DB+a)
Posted by: garrett at August 11, 2011 01:24 PM (MWdAl)
He always did a good pompous ass whenever he did cartoon voices.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 11, 2011 01:24 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: © Sponge at August 11, 2011 01:24 PM (UK9cE)
Posted by: Charlie Gibson at August 11, 2011 01:24 PM (McHnx)
But only if someone is watching.
It's mental masturbation for Colbert. He's a fuckin mediocre dumbass with more money than he knows what to do with and more smugness than his little body can contain. He's got to let the smug out or he'll pop like a zit.
Posted by: sifty of the Irish Breakfast Insurgency at August 11, 2011 01:25 PM (ECjvn)
Posted by: sandy burger at August 11, 2011 01:25 PM (XyoGP)
Posted by: Dave C at August 11, 2011 01:25 PM (C9VgD)
Posted by: F--- Nevada! (I'm AoSHQ's DarkLord©, and I approve this message) at August 11, 2011 01:26 PM (GBXon)
Posted by: Fake Ace at August 11, 2011 01:26 PM (lT0LC)
Posted by: Bob Saget, half hobbit, half honey badger, half teabag at August 11, 2011 01:26 PM (F/4zf)
Posted by: Monty at August 11, 2011 01:28 PM (/0a60)
Or flex his influence to see if there are any votes for Rick Parry..
Posted by: Dave C at August 11, 2011 01:29 PM (C9VgD)
>>They just don't make any sense.<<
That's why no one can explain them to you
Posted by: SantaRosaStan, only occasionally wrong at August 11, 2011 01:30 PM (UqKQV)
Posted by: Barney Frank at August 11, 2011 01:31 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: ace at August 11, 2011 01:31 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Errol at August 11, 2011 01:31 PM (d2AYO)
Posted by: Dickie Normous at August 11, 2011 01:32 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: Dave C at August 11, 2011 01:33 PM (C9VgD)
OT: We were talking about earlier about the true believers' need to save Marxism from the catastrophe that is Obama. It seems that NPR has been thinking the same thing. He is a partial transcript of a skit they did in which both Adam Smith and Karl Marx visit the 21st century to see how their ideas made out.
"[Director Pedro] Reyes is filming an improvised story called "Baby Marx." In it, Adam Smith and Karl Marx come to the 21st century to learn how their work has been interpreted over the years.
"I'm afraid that Mr. Marx has a chip on his shoulder because his philosophies have failed so miserably," sniggers Smith.
"Failed so miserably," Marx responds, "because they aren't doing it right."
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 11, 2011 01:34 PM (Hx5uv)
It's absurd.
He wants to be absurd. He wants the context to be absurd, and by highlighting it, make Rick Perry seem absurd.
It's a playful kind of cynicism, yet just as corrosive. Hey look how silly I am, and how silly our system is, how silly some Iowa people are, and oh yeah, how silly Rick Perry is. But it is cynical.
It's the kind of approach that Kurt Vonnegut degenerated to in his later novels. Silly jokes and lameness masquerading the deep cynicism with which he held our people, values and the country as a whole. Woody Allen did the same thing in some of his later movies.
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at August 11, 2011 01:35 PM (sJTmU)
Colbert's schtick is not that funny. And it is very much of a schtick, there isn't a whole lot of creative genius going on.
On one end of the spectrum there are people like Dennis Miller, Louis CK, Seinfeld, etc, who experiment with comedy and do some "cutting edge", very clever comedy (that, admittedly, does not always work).
On the other end, you have people like Colbert and Jim Carrey who make funny faces and are very silly. In other words, court jesters.
Posted by: dan-O at August 11, 2011 01:37 PM (BAjNF)
""Obama: I'll Release Job Policies Until Every American Who Wants a Job Can Find One"--headline, NationalJournal.com, Aug. 11"
OMG NO!!!! Companies, you have to start hiring!!! Now!!!
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 11, 2011 01:38 PM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: nickless at August 11, 2011 01:38 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Warden at August 11, 2011 01:38 PM (3BGP/)
Posted by: Oldsailors poet at August 11, 2011 01:38 PM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at August 11, 2011 01:40 PM (AEA92)
They are ads made by a guy, who is not funny, trying to be funny. And clever. But he's not clever, either.
So what you wind up with is a very unfunny, unclever video.
That uncomfortable feeling it leaves you with? Well that's you brain trying to figure out how many man hours were wasted on the video fail.
Posted by: Dang at August 11, 2011 01:41 PM (TXKVh)
Isn't that where Victor von Doom comes from?
Posted by: WalrusRex at August 11, 2011 01:41 PM (Hx5uv)
That's all you need to know.
Posted by: Shiggz at August 11, 2011 01:41 PM (v8Pb8)
Posted by: Hipster Douche Who Gets All His News from The Daily Show at August 11, 2011 01:41 PM (lT/p/)
The best example I can think at the moment of for good word play is George Carlin's airplane routine - it's old, but stick with me ("Pre-board?" *weird look*. What's that supposed to mean? That you have to get on before you get on!?).
Colbert (a really lame French word play parody in of itself) just doesn't have the comedy chops, which explains his presence after the Daily Show - he's there to make Jon Stewart look like a freakin' genius!
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 11, 2011 01:42 PM (aYTJa)
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 11, 2011 01:42 PM (jx2j9)
Posted by: Bill Maher at August 11, 2011 01:42 PM (C9VgD)
Posted by: backhoe, Hobbit tea-roar-ist of Doom at August 11, 2011 01:43 PM (rFdqZ)
He had RUSH on as guests. It was funny and he was good to them.
That was funny.
"Have you guys ever written a song so long..."
Posted by: garrett at August 11, 2011 01:44 PM (MWdAl)
Yup. Throwing tomatoes at everybody and everything is easy, but cheap. Real comedy is hard. And we're the retards.
Posted by: pep at August 11, 2011 01:44 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Dave C at August 11, 2011 01:44 PM (C9VgD)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 11, 2011 01:44 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: Warden at August 11, 2011 01:45 PM (3BGP/)
Get it?
Posted by: My Sharia Moor at August 11, 2011 01:45 PM (ZY+lZ)
Posted by: izoneguy at August 11, 2011 01:46 PM (i6Neb)
Posted by: t-bird at August 11, 2011 01:46 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at August 11, 2011 01:46 PM (ijjAe)
Posted by: pep at August 11, 2011 01:46 PM (6TB1Z)
"But first you will blow me."
"Honeybadger doesn't give a shit."
Etc. etc...
Colbert is that guy to Liberals. The difference is that Liberals still think the schtick is hilarious.
Posted by: fly at August 11, 2011 01:47 PM (R9Sum)
Posted by: RJ at August 11, 2011 01:47 PM (QjrRF)
Posted by: Associate Perfesser and Director of Women and Genderish Stuff at August 11, 2011 01:48 PM (3rKjY)
Layers and layers of factchecking.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 11, 2011 01:49 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: Stephen Colbert's freshest memes at August 11, 2011 01:49 PM (QjrRF)
Posted by: Stephen Colbert's freshest memes at August 11, 2011 01:49 PM (QjrRF)
Woody Allen ceased being funny about 40 years ago. Now there are a lot of words to describe the man, none of which are flattering.
Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston at August 11, 2011 01:49 PM (ijjAe)
iowahawkblog David Burge Surprise attendee at the Iowa debates tonight - me! Look for the guy feeding the multitudes with Wonder Bread and fish sticks.
(Now that is funny.)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 11, 2011 01:49 PM (UOM48)
Wow. That's going back aways. And here I thought we were making fun of the young hipsters, not semi-senile old bags.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 11, 2011 01:50 PM (bjRNS)
Yes, but we look so damn good doing it. (preens feathers)
(The recent post on dropping the a-bomb had a wonderful line from Paul Fussell. Those who condemned it were never the ones who did the dying. Their criticism was just a way of showing off "the fineness of their moral weave".) Mine now.
Posted by: Unctuous Lib at August 11, 2011 01:50 PM (6TB1Z)
Iowahawk's Iliad alone is funnier that both their total careers.
Posted by: nickless at August 11, 2011 01:50 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Fake Ace at August 11, 2011 01:50 PM (lT0LC)
It is going to mean as much as the regular campaign commercials. Time to get a piece of cake.
Posted by: Polijay at August 11, 2011 01:50 PM (guvMX)
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 11, 2011 01:51 PM (bjRNS)
Posted by: Stephen Colbert's freshest memes at August 11, 2011 01:52 PM (QjrRF)
I must have mis-heard her.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 11, 2011 01:52 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Stephen Colbert's freshest memes at August 11, 2011 01:53 PM (QjrRF)
Posted by: Mandy P., Southern Tea Party Terrorist bitterly clinging to her gun and her Bible at August 11, 2011 01:53 PM (qFpRI)
Posted by: Stephen Colbert's freshest memes at August 11, 2011 01:53 PM (QjrRF)
I have never seen him except as referenced on blogs or on political shows. From what I have seen, I have no interest.
That is ennui, bitches.
Posted by: dagny at August 11, 2011 01:54 PM (Wzhc8)
Posted by: Stephen Colbert's freshest memes at August 11, 2011 01:54 PM (QjrRF)
Without sound, it looks ridiculous. Is it any better with sound?
To me, it just seems rather... lame.
Posted by: soulpile is... at August 11, 2011 01:55 PM (Mk/IQ)
It works for me. I think he's hilarious.
Posted by: Chevy Chase at August 11, 2011 01:57 PM (6TB1Z)
No, never heard of him. Hey, wanna hear some Weinergate jokes?
Posted by: sandy burger at August 11, 2011 01:57 PM (XyoGP)
It's not exactly newfangled. I have the same reaction to I Love Lucy, and it's based on the same set-up.
That said, your point is valid: the comedians that get time on Comedy Central seem to use that style too much. I 'spect that the CC suits like that sort of thing.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 11, 2011 01:57 PM (bjRNS)
Mr. Colbert--YOU'RE TELLING THE SAME JOKE, OVER AND OVER AND OVER.
Posted by: Bill O'Reilly at August 11, 2011 01:57 PM (+N5l0)
Beats me, but my teenager thinks these are fucking hilarious. Maybe Colbert only works if you are under 21.
The only time I thought he was funny was when he spoofed that horrible Rebecca Parry "Friday" song on Jimmy Fallon's show.
Posted by: rockmom at August 11, 2011 01:57 PM (lSyyU)
Posted by: Mandy P., Southern Tea Party Terrorist bitterly clinging to her gun and her Bible at August 11, 2011 02:01 PM (qFpRI)
No one will ever call Colbert on it but if the DNC had set up a phone bank to call people to tell them to write in the name of a person who does not exist, but that sounds similar to a person who does exist and is running, then it is hard to see how that would not run afoul of some election rule of some sort. It would certainly fall under the heading of dirty tricks.
Is this what Colbert is doing with the PAC he tried to set up?
OT, did anyone else see where Soros beat up his live-in whore, choked her and caused other injuries? She is suing him for breaking a contract he had to buy her an expensive apartment. Gotta love it.
Posted by: Voluble at August 11, 2011 02:04 PM (JKX4x)
Or is he trying to get hipster douchebags to go in, and make Perry voters look stupid? The only other idea I have is that he's trying to fill otherwise unsold commercial time so as to not look like a total failure to potential advertisers.
Posted by: Peter at August 11, 2011 02:05 PM (50YCD)
The joke is on Colbert's viewers and PAC donors.
You should have seen the lefty blogs when the FEC decision was announced permitting Colbert to have his PAC. They were proclaiming "Colbert is the one who will save us and bring truth to the airwaves, we can't trust the corporate media, blah blah blah". There are a lot of disillusioned lefties out there who have more faith in Colbert and Stewart than in Obama, believe it or not. Colbert is mocking them.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 11, 2011 02:10 PM (s7mIC)
How do you spell Rick Parry.... george bush...
ha ha ha see cuz they both have a texas accent and the son of a poor farmer and the drunk party boy son of the president of the united states are exactly the same people!1!
Ill leave it to you dear reader, did I use a time machine or are they unfunny predictable hacks?
Posted by: Shiggz at August 11, 2011 02:12 PM (v8Pb8)
-"We must never forget that on 9/11/2001 nineteen peaceful Arabs entered a plane predominately filled with middle class white Americans, carrying nothing for protection but workmens tools, were killed in a private sector aircraft by explosive bomb like fossil-fuels after being assaulted in mid air by the Twin Towers, an international icon of capitalism."
-Barak Obama
(9/11/2002 Washington Elementary speech to 3rd grade class (vanilla wafer snack day))
Posted by: Shiggz at August 11, 2011 02:14 PM (v8Pb8)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 11, 2011 05:13 PM (UOM4
The only worthwhile thing the stupid asshole ever did was when he appeared in front of Congress at Pelosi Galore's behest and embarrassed the fuckheaded donks (as much as possible) by being his usual nit-brained self and reducing the "hearing" to a complete farce.
Posted by: Captain Hate at August 11, 2011 02:16 PM (houma)
I weep for the future, as well.
I had an argument with a similar person, but this one doubled down when he insisted that he saw the band Spinal Tap in the 70's at some club. He even has a copy a Intravenous DeMilo somewhere in his basement.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at August 11, 2011 02:24 PM (YmPwQ)
From the insider/author/etc. perspective, the whole idea of the meta-meta-... "joke" (or "'"'"''joke,"'"'" as it were), e.g. "Colbert," is that anyone, whether they get it or not, can be excluded from the "gets it" crowd—based on criteria other than their getting it, because objectively and finally "getting it" is objectively and finally undecidable. There's always one more rung of "meta-" there for "No, you don't get it; you're one of them" to escape to.
I think either Kierkegaard or Donald Barthelme writing about Kierkegaard or David Foster Wallace stealing an idea from Donald Barhelme about Kierkegaard explained it (this kind of thing) as the author (or comedian or whatever) achieving subjective freedom at the expense of the objective world, which his (that author's) "meta-meta-meta-...," his bad irony, "obliterates." (I remember that last word from the quote, even though I don't remember the quote or whose it was.)
So (you're still with me, right?), in the case of "Colbert" (and such), the obliterated objective thing is any out-group member's capacity to "get it"—because the out-group is excluded ipso some other facto.
For example, in your case, you're a Republican. So you don't get it, maaaaan.
And also, confessing that you're maybe not getting it excludes you from ever afterward claiming to have got it, y'know? Because if you have to be told...
And also because the point, the "joke," is the audience's assertion of its identity as in-on-it. Which is why you don't laugh.
Anyway, in summary!:
The "Colbert" thing is a really pussy and annoying kind of bullying that groups of physical cowards do—sometimes as comedy, but usually not. Because it's not funny. It can be good, but the laughs are always ugly. Which is why Kierkegaard was all pissed off about this same thing, a long time ago, in some book I don't remember.
COLLEGE
Posted by: oblig. at August 11, 2011 02:24 PM (xvZW9)
Posted by: iowahawk at August 11, 2011 02:33 PM (veL4N)
Posted by: Chuck Knoblick at August 11, 2011 02:56 PM (STTZD)
Posted by: booger at August 11, 2011 02:56 PM (9RFH1)
Posted by: booger at August 11, 2011 02:57 PM (9RFH1)
So I am really smart. And you are stupid.
Posted by: West at August 11, 2011 03:37 PM (NCWs1)
Posted by: Drew in MO at August 11, 2011 03:40 PM (StBYg)
When Colbert has on Dick Cheney we will all understand fourth-level irony.
And we will all love it.
Fucking love it, says Dick Cheney, or how about you go fuck yourself?
Posted by: notquiteunBuckley at August 11, 2011 04:04 PM (Bo7bD)
Posted by: The Magicians AudioBook at August 11, 2011 04:10 PM (LnWQ1)
Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 11, 2011 04:11 PM (/zYUh)
--I loved the passage in Thomas Wolfe's I Am Charlotte Simmons where Charlotte's roommate blasts out a discourse on levels of irony/sarcasm. I have a suspicion Ace has read that book as well.
Posted by: logprof at August 11, 2011 05:07 PM (BP6Z1)
Posted by: cackfinger at August 11, 2011 06:19 PM (a9mQu)
I get the "Uncle Funny" schtick. All he needs is a roll-up dickey.
Posted by: Dick Primate at August 11, 2011 06:36 PM (du71H)
Americans for a Better Tomorrow Tomorrow
The "tomorrow, tomorrow" thing is hilarious. I loved that comic twist the first time several years ago with SpongeBob's "Campfire Song Song". At least we know now who's writing for Colbert: Patrick Star.
Posted by: OCBill at August 11, 2011 09:39 PM (MiSre)
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