1 Something Taranto pointed to today: Basically, no matter how short the skirt the girl's wearing, she doesn't deserve to be raped. I always thought it was also wise to dress modestly but that wasn't the point. The point was that the rapist is responsible for the rape, not the victim or society. But don't get me wrong, there are a number of women who I think should be allowed to go about in skirts without undies uncastigated....

2 Will this Slutwalk be available on pay-per-view?

3 Something tells me these are not the good kind of sluts.

4 Empire of Jeff is somehow behind this .

5

The cultural left is fond of this sort of pointless gesture; it's actually the only thing they do, pretty much. The sexual revolution was over 30 years ago, and the left won it (and by doing so, won it for young single men), but they're still parading around celebrating the same very stale victories.

Yes, absolutely. The sexual revolution is a revolution that has been at the detriment of young women IMHO. It exploits women and takes power away from them and calls it freedom, when in fact it gives away the milk for zero return. A ripoff for the women plain and simple. 

6 Feminism wasn't fighting against rapists or oppressors or mean old husbands.

Feminism was fighting against daddy.  Daddy doesn't want you walking around in a short skirt without underwear.  Little Billy Hormones thinks its a great idea.

Well, girls, daddy doesn't want you to stop being a slut because he wants to be mean to you.  In fact, he cares more about you than any man ever will.  If you don't listen to him now, you will regret it later.

7 Wait a minute, the Slutwalk is in Canada? Won't their twats get cold?

8 The comments are always very tricky.  I kind of advocate the "wear whatever you want so long as a) it's legal and/or b) you're prepared to deal with the consequences."

As for this "protest" march... it's just stupid.  No one should really be advocating provocative attire as normal wardrobe.  Saying you "can" do something, or that something is permissible is far, far different from saying whether or not you should.

People shouldn't get in fist fights- and, now, it is illegal- but I think they should have every right to do so (and, indeed, think things would be much more civil if people had to worry about getting the crap beat out of them for giving offense).

9 Geezus. Confirmed. Shehags strutting their nasty ladyparts at the 'SlutWalk'

Do.Not.Watch.

10 Don't these women have something better to do?

Response from the morons:  Yeah, make me a sammich.

11 Here, though? It's a bunch of privileged white girls (ooh, I went there, noting the race that makes up 95% of the protesters) essentially singing "You've got to fight for your right to parrrtay." Not really the same thing.

Well, and look who they're 'fighting.' Decent chaps who just worry about the well-being of these women and want them to be safe. Who will stand by and watch them protest, without harming them.

Let's see these oh-so-edgy and brave gals work that act in Cairo.

12 Wear what you like on your own time. What you wear is one thing but placing yourself in a compromising position is another. When a bunch of guys rape a drunk girl I don't blame anyone except the guys. But don't expect me to feel sorry for the person who thinks it's smart to get drunk with 6 guys you just met.

13 Our right is whatever stupid-ass thing we get into our heads to defend.  If someone told us women shouldn't play Russian Roulette, you can bet your ass we'll be marching for it as a 'right' tomorrow.

Don't let the Panty Patriarchy keep you down, my sisters!

14 Just wondering. Is it stupid for some guy to walk around with a box of money, cash falling out of their pockets. $50. bills tucked behind their ears, gold rings on their fingers, say.. they just walk around in broad daylight, coins and bills falling all around their feet every step they take, . or they stroll with their cash in the park late at night.. walk into bars with their open box full of bills... if they got robbed would we call them stupid? Would they have deserved to be robbed? Of course not. They wouldn't have deserved it at all. But would we call them stupid?

15 Ace denouncing a pantyless parade of women.  I'm starting to lose hope for this world.

16
It's an admission of failure and incompetence.

This cop is admitting he and the police force cannot eliminate the threat of sex predators.

Just like Petraeus, by lashing out at Terry Jones, is admitting he can't eliminate the radical muslim menace in Afghanistan.

17 WINNING!

18 The parallel I like is this: You can leave your car unlocked if you want.

If you do, it will get broken into.  Now, if you don't get a whacked out liberal judge, the guy who breaks into your unlocked car will be prosecuted as if the car was locked and it's his fault for having done so.

However, if you want to make it difficult to break into your car, you'd be well-advised to lock it.

19 Something tells me these are not the good kind of sluts.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at April 04, 2011 05:02 PM (pLTLS)

Which begs the question.  Bad kind?

20 Bad kind?

Clearly you didn't watch the video. Blech.

21 Are we talking code pink sluts or Charlie Sheen booze and coke sluts?

22 Ha, these little hosehead firecrotches better watch out or they'll end up in the Purgatory of Fiery Vulvas!

23

Definately not worth sitting through a Resolve carpet cleaner commercial for.

24 Dave Chappell nailed this topic ages ago.

25

Some actions have negative consequences.

It doesn't mean that the consequences are fair. I mean, I have every right in the world to walk down any city street I choose, but I wouldn't put on a frat-boy ball cap and walk through some black ghetto all alone at 3:00am.

That's what I call being reality based.

Young, dumb liberal women don't seem to get the difference. Is a short skirt going to significantly raise the odds of your being sexually assaulted? I doubt it. But going out alone and getting shit-faced drunk, then ending up somewhere with a bunch of guys you don't know? Bad idea.

 

 

26 OT: Not sure what's more surprising --

That Luke Russert could string together a few sentences w/out shouting 'woah!' or 'duuuuude' -or - that MSN even picked this story up.

27

SlutWalk Co-Founder

"Heather Jarvis is a queer, sex- and body-positive feminist. With experience in women and gender studies, social work and community activism she was furious upon hearing a representative of the police slut-shame survivors and people at risk of sexual assault. Not entirely shocked by the incident, Jarvis believes we should be beyond the myths of people ‘asking’ or ‘deserving’ to be assaulted due to their behaviour or appearance. As a survivor and advocate for empowerment, Jarvis constantly aims to shed shame around sex and sexuality. She feels we deserve safe streets and a supportive justice system.

Described as an eternal optimist by some who know her, Heather Jarvis refuses to believe things cannot change. She is determined to continuously work on improving this world through increased respect, consent, understanding and acceptance." -By showing her scab laden cooch!

 

THE FUCK?

28 17 Ace denouncing a pantyless parade of women.  I'm starting to lose hope for this world.

Um, did you follow the link and look at the pictures and video?  Do so at your own risk.

Some people have too much farking time on their hands.  The world is going to hell in many places, yet these gits want to complain about a cop's one comment?  March on, sluts!  *shakes head*. 

29 A parade of the petty.

30 OLD BROADS UPSET THEY ARE OLD AND LESS ATTRACTIVE

link

-- Sixteen cocktail waitresses at Resorts Casino Hotel in Atlantic City were fired after being told they're not a fit for the casino's new sexy uniforms.

All of the 16 women who lost their jobs were middle-age, long-time employees who were happy to retain their jobs after the casino's sale only to lose them because of their appearances in a skimpy costume.

Union officials say that Resorts is using the 1920s flapper-style uniforms as a way to get rid of older cocktail waitresses in order to cultivate a younger clientele.

One of the fired waitresses, Nancy Schromsky, said the process of being judged in the uniform was humiliating.

The women were directed to a room where the new uniforms were strewn about the floor and told to try one on and then be photographed.

Schromsky said the only sizes to be found were size 2 and 4.

In a written statement Resorts defends its decision:

"All cocktail servers were given individual consideration and the selection process was conducted in a fair and objective manner. We empathize with the cocktail servers who lost their jobs and gave them hiring preference in other open positions at Resorts."

31 Lot of posts originating at the Becksite lately. Just, well, noticing.
He's bad-crazy, but we are good-crazy?  Beck can spell.

Every normal man must  be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, run up the  black flag, and say, "Young lady, no man will ever love you as your father does."  Place is getting as bold & racy as a Baptist Goldwing Club.
 
Also, Ace assumes French-Canadian is a subset of "privileged" and "white." Never been there?

32
Here's the difference between theory and reality:

In theory, I can walk my pasty white ass across Harlem at 2 am in the morning.

In reality, if I'm not dead, mugged, and raped (and hopefully in that order) I'm just a lucky bastard.

At some point, one needs to learn how to use the head on one's shoulders as something other than a hatrack.

33 Ok, nobody deserves to be raped for any reason. But you don't walk through the lions den in the Lady GAGA meat dress and not expect to become a Lion turd. Sort of on the same topic, my wife went shopping for our girls ages 7-11, to buy some summer clothes. Julia Roberts in pretty woman wore less revealing clothes than what these pervert fuckheads are selling for our children. I'm not a prude by any means but just what the hell happened to modesty and good manners. I like Vajayjay, I particularly enjoy my wife's, however, I don't want to see your hairy end of a gut or have my children exposed to these scrunts complete lack of morality and civility.

34

That's what Lynndie England said to me. "You should've worn underwear under your dishdashah. It's your fault for dressing like a slut, hadji."

I was so ashamed that I almost asked her not to do it again.

35

I'm rather embarrassed by it other then that I have no idea what to say.

36 The thing a lot of us were saying about Logan in Cairo applies here as well.  Ladies, if you put on a mini-skirt with no panties and a tank top with no bra and walk down the street in South L.A. at 2 a.m. you will be attacked.

If you don't and pay a little bit more attention to your surroundings chances are good you will not be. Somewhere in the middle lies a line. Sure, it is the rapist's fault that he commits rape, but women who display a total disregard for common sense can share some of the blame as well.

37 Um, did you follow the link and look at the pictures and video?  Do so at your own risk.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at April 04, 2011 05:16 PM (c0A3e)

Oh, NOW you hypocrites are against free speech.  Burn a Koran, hunky-dory; show your cooch, let the stonings begin!

You people disgust me.

38 As Kathy Shaidle noted earlier today:
"There are a few things wrong with what the cop said, mostly because the best way for women to avoid rape would be for them to conceal-carry, but this is Canada and weÂ’re idiots."

39 The thing I like best about left-wing chicks is they'll blow you within a few hours of meeting you. And most have lost their gag reflex back in college.

40 On the upside, when at a baseball game in hot weather, one should look for  and sit close to the fattest, nastiest pantyless hag in the park. You will be assured no flies will light on your hot dog.

41

What color is the ribbon for this movement?

It obviously isnÂ’t pink

42 And most have lost their gag reflex back in college.

Posted by: Muhammad's Left Nut at April 04, 2011 05:23 PM (QcFbt)

Wait, why don't you just shower?  Degradation and humiliation?

43 Was the sexual revolution ended by a piece treaty?

44 I just don't get how this is empowering.

45 49 LMAO, good one, now let me wipe the ginger ale from my keyboard.

46 One, another counterpoint. Why SlutWalk is worse than burning the Koran.

And two, most of the marchers undoubtedly voted for the leftist New Democrat Party or, at best, the liberal Liberals who have been letting rapists and every other criminal in Canada, Ontario and Toronto get off lightly for the past 45 years. In fact, one bone of contention in the current Canadian federal election is that the Conservatives want to build more federal prisons and see to it that lenient judges are stopped from under-sentencing convicted felons. It's even one of the issues (or the smokescreen of worry about 'funding' for the prisons) that the Opposition cited in bringing down the Conservative government and forcing an election that no one in the general population wanted.

The marchers also overwhelmingly don't believe in the right to self defence (whether with firearms or by any other means). So I'd be a bit more respectful of their viewpoint if any of them were saying, "I'll defend myself against anyone who tries raping me when the Crown isn't there to protect me and not be content to let the Crown avenge me with a trial 1 year after I've been raped," but none of those unraped liberal-leftist women believe that.

47 These would be good uniforms for the waitresses at Jeff McPhilthy's Crotchless Grill. That, plus a button that says "Ask Your Server About Her Chlamydia!"

48 Pack your shit honey, we are moving to Canada!

49 Out the Bushes! Out the Bushes!

50

Having had two friends who were raped many years ago, and looking at the stats, a woman does not need to be dressed provacatively in order to be raped.  In fact, that does not have so much to do with it as does other factors, most notably the victim's potential isolation factor.  They were both not attractively attired -- unless you find flannel granny nighties or snot encrusted sweats alluring (one woman was home alone while her husband was on a business trip, the other was bed ridden with a nasty flu that had turned into pnuemonia...there was evidence that the respective rapists sussed out the situation before raping).

In cases of date rape (that are actual rapes and not a case of next day regret) there are some things are remarkably similar: the potential isolation factor does fit again (with date rape the person "self isolates") and the victim needs to give off the right "vibe" (which my two friends illustrate, usually means "vulnerable/easily made to submit in some way").  Again, in actual rapes, attire has little to do with the perp's choice of a victim -- you could be wearing a belt around your waist and look like a living Barbie and not be raped; you could look like a wallflower and be wearing a burka and be raped. (this is actual rape-rape, not a case of dressing slutty for the evening, getting whiskey drunk, freaking somebody, and then pleading your innocence and good girly-ness by pointing an accusing finger).

51 @48 - Actually, women can force men into sex.  There was a gang of them somewhere in Africa (I think) not too long ago.  The real difference is that, on average, guys are bigger and tougher than girls, and rape is a physical crime.  So women tend to have to work in gangs.

Since there aren't that many people into rape in the first place, finding a rape buddy might be a little bit difficult.

@52 - It's not, and the Sexual Revolution was never about "empowerment."  That may be the professed rationale, but it was really about rebelling against your parents- same as getting a tattoo and becoming a "wiccan."

Unfortunately for the women of the SR, where a tattoo is an embarrassing story waiting to happen, and your days of celebrating Beltane with a bell and candle can be swept under the rug, the dangers of a promiscuous lifestyle are much more likely to be life-long.

52

It is true: 99% of all rapists are men and 90% of all rape victims are women. That's a pile of risk that affects women (almost) nearly exclusively, and women should be (and of course -- are) aware of it.

One day in my teen years I was reading the police reports in my hometown paper and there was this guy who claimed that he had been sleeping in his car only to be awakened by a guy holding a gun to his head. Then a woman pulled down the victim's pants and proceeded to give him a hummer. When she finished up they both left. My first thought was: Yeah, right. My second thought was: I wonder if I can borrow the car for the night.  

53 Fascinating.  Are there any of these 'rape gangs' in America, perchance?

54 I don't think I can watch this at work so I am going to assume these sluts are your typical womens' sexuality activists that no one wants to fuck anyway.

55 Posted by: FUBAR at April 04, 2011 05:35 PM (McG46)

It wouldn't surprise me- America has just about every other form of decadence and depravity you can name.  But I don't know of any specifically.

56 Ok, unknown jane. Who is going to attract more undesirable attention: The more modestly dressed woman or the woman in micro-shorts with "JUICY" printed across the ass and a skin-tight tank top with no bra and a logo that reads "Porn Star?" And who may be licking a lollipop.

57 63, Yep, I don't see the girls on Fox without panties.

58 These would be good uniforms for the waitresses at Jeff McPhilthy's Crotchless Grill. That, plus a button that says "Ask Your Server About Her Chlamydia!" Heh , see #4

59

I was reading the police reports in my hometown paper and there was this guy who claimed that he had been sleeping in his car only to be awakened by a guy holding a gun to his head. Then a woman pulled down the victim's pants and proceeded to give him a hummer.

And if you set foot outside the car before you count to one hundred, I'll come back and rub my tits on your face!

60 "There are a few things wrong with what the cop said, mostly because the best way for women to avoid rape would be for them to conceal-carry, but this is Canada and weÂ’re idiots."

Just don't ask them where they're concealing the gun...

61 Who is going to attract more undesirable attention:

The more modestly dressed woman or the woman in micro-shorts with "JUICY" printed across the ass and a skin-tight tank top with no bra and a logo that reads "Porn Star?"

Rape is an act of violence, not sex. It's about power and control. And predators look for prey, what they're wearing is not relevant.

That being said, there is still (mostly among the thug types) that a woman in the wrong place or wearing something provocative is "asking for it".  Not right, but it's there.

Now, I've always said that if you dress like a slut, you can expect to be treated like a slut. But that doesn't mean being rape, that means a general lack of respect from most people, what you might call undesirable attention.

62 Toronto...you guys have any spare nukes?  Need a city to do some testing?

63 Hmmmmm, let's draw some parallels and poll the sluts on what they think about Koran burning. . . .

64 Wasn't my idea, Bill D. Cat. Those "girls" are all aboot The Hole, not The Pole.

65 the woman in micro-shorts with "JUICY" printed across the ass

And for the record, I've never seen this on any woman who did weigh at least a deuce and a half.

66 Free Tibet!

67 Self indulgent whores march in Canada...  real women march in Iran.

68 Now you bastards know why I saunter around after dark, dressed as a pantyless woman. My attempts to lure in sexual predators are often misunderstood, but are clearly a public service. By the way, it's true - you do get raped a lot.

69 Just looking to blame a local ...... maybe it was andy ?

70 Rape is an act of violence, not sex. It's about power and control. And predators look for prey, what they're wearing is not relevant The feminists have successfully pushed this line for over forty years and it is bullshit. The same man-haters that were airing out their fleshy stink-wallets on College Street today.

71 People love to make that claim, but I find it totally unbelievable.  Rape is usually about sex.  Now, sex is about power and control, to a good extent, but that is a different story.


Actually, the law makes that claim. That's why it's considered rape to sodomize someone with a broom handle. No sexual organs involved, yet it's still considered rape.

72 No, I'm not a cop, Bill D. Cat although I do own a Royal Canadian Beaver Inspector T-shirt.

73 All I can say is, Thank God that wasn't a Skank Walk.

74 Wow, lots of fatties that need the slut look to get some.

Mostly butter girls.  Everything looks great, "but her face".

75 The feminists have successfully pushed this line for over forty years and it is bullshit. The same man-haters that were airing out their fleshy stink-wallets on College Street today.

No, the idea that men are lustful creatures who can't possibly control their libido and therefore must rape any woman who walks by, provocative or not, is bullshit.

Rapists are predators. They're usually not picky about what the victim looks like, only that the victim is easy prey.

I'll agree that a ot of the crap from the feminists is bullshit, but not this.

It's an act of violence, pure and simple.

76

I think that rape is an act of violence, a specific form of violence, but nonetheless it has more to do with control and dominance, as with all violent crimes.

However, this stupid display by a bunch of very silly, insincere, and unserious women does nothing to help fight back against the reality of that crime.  It is, as mentioned above, an act of trifling rebellion (daddy issues) and most of all, attention seeking.  Rather like those "take back the night" charades.  If anything it is criminal in the way it winds up trivializing what is a very horrid crime with real victims, which is in no way addressed by this...and it makes women everywhere look like doofuses and mincing crybabies...just wonderful...

That is the truly rankling thing imho.

77 The law also tells you that you are not allowed to reasonably defend yourself in many states.

I don't live in one of those states.

I don't get your point.

Really? I couldn't tell.

78 It's cool andy . ..... and what patriotic Canuk doesn't ?

79 That whole thing about a rapist forcing his penis into a woman's vagina until he ejaculates? Totally not about sex. And predators routinely ignore the doe dragging a broken leg and look for something else because Dammit, I know there's something tastier that's camouflaged itself. IF ONLY I COULD FIND IT! Get real.

80

65 There are worlds of difference between undesireable attention and rape, or even sexually tinged assault and battery.  The first, yes, there is a very valid arguement for saying there is a trade off; the second instance -- no, there is no valid arguement for saying there is a trade off.

You will also notice that I do make a distinction between most cases of date rape (the ones which have more to do with a case of next day regret) and an actual rape.  I have never been happy with the way the two have been blurred together and the respective problems addressed.

It comes down to a choice of personal freedom...and that it comes with some personal responsiblity (a woman has the right to dress how they want and to engage in sex...they also have to realize that there is some responsiblity inherent in such freedoms: aka. don't go off with a strange man to his place and think that you will come out of the encounter unscathed every time).

81 Eww!  This is one reason why I will never take the bus.

82

 

Real sluts are probably better at risk assessment than these caterwauling canucks.

83 http://tinyurl.com/3bznvyb

Kathy Shaidle telling it like it is.

Toronto really could fall into the lake and I wouldn't miss it.

84 66 63, Yep, I don't see the girls on Fox without panties.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at April 04, 2011 05:38 PM (cDRYC)

Try adjusting the horizontal.

85 Iron my blouse, bitch.

86 incompetent black president

privileged white girls


OMG


where's wiserbud to instruct the writer on his hidden racismz and junk....


....the horror.....

87

It's an act of violence, pure and simple.

Argument by declaration.  Prove it.

88 96, will do.

89 Anybody want to post the dictionary definition of rape? Didn't think so.

90 Rape should be a capital offense.

91 Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 04, 2011 06:09 PM (G/MYk)

According to the guys on Discovery's "It takes a Thief," a little bit of both, but mostly the latter.  They don't care about the stuff they steal, or the robbery itself, they just think that they're entitled to it.  That is, they feel that the stuff is already "theirs" and there is nothing wrong with them taking it.

I think y'all are arguing about the act vs. the motivation.  Obviously, for it to be rape, it has to be "about sex."  Hitting someone with a bat is not rape.  However, what motivates someone to starting raping is not, normally, just a case of wanting to get his rocks off.  It's a desire to show that he's more powerful than his victim.  If it were just wanting to get his rocks off, he'd find the local red-light district, or a dive where he could probably pick up someone who is drunk enough to agree.

92 Maybe women should factor what they wear into affecting the amount of undesirable attention they get, but no police officer should call them sluts and sort-of excuse the bad actors.  Get an imam to tell them to wear a burqa and they'll shut right up. 

93 Posted by: garrett at April 04, 2011 06:17 PM (JGkGy)

I'll agree with that.

94 ok i am gonna go there. Canada has a high muslim population. I think this could this cop be warning these women to avoid the "sweden situation?" without actually saying something "racist" or islamophobic? its just a thought.

95

90 Really?  So by your reasoning men are such childish, animalistic things that they simply will not be able to control themselves when confronted with provocatively clad women?  That is the flip side of this -- women, you'd better cover up, because men are incapable of controlling their impluses.

That's pretty derogatory towards men imho, and that doesn't bode well for the furtherance of a free society -- sounds frighteningly like another society, don't you think?

By the way, the act itself is sexually based violence, not violence based sex.  Most rapists, when interviewed, did not derive satisfaction from any normal sexual impulses; it was the dominance and control aspect that gave them their jollies -- the violence, not the boppin', was the main thing.  That's why rape should be considered a very serious crime -- it can lead to escalating forms of violence, and often jump the gender barrier when it does.

96 Posted by: Beagle at April 04, 2011 06:18 PM (sOtz/)

Is that what he did, or did he say, "Hey, ladies, FYI: it's a bad idea to dress like a slut."

The problem, and Ace alluded to it, is that when someone (especially some guy) says, "Hey, ladies, maybe you don't want to dress and act like a lady of negotiable virtue," what people often hear is "Hey, ladies, it's your fault."

97 It's not my fault if I'm robbed if I leave my front door open and bars of gold in my foyer.  It's not my fault if I'm murdered at a black panther rally when wearing KKK robes.  It's not my fault if my credit card is used by crooks when I post the number online.

But it's still prudent to consider that evil is out there.  Good, honest advice to women is to be careful of their surroundings, and not dress like prostitutes in hellholes (and much of Toronto is, indeed, a hellhole).

That doesn't mean it's your fault if you're raped because someone thought your sexy outfit invited the attack, of course.  It just means that you can limit your exposure because slutty outfits invite trashy people to give you attention.  There's nothing to be proud of in dressing like a whore that makes it worth being upset that someone noted it's less safe.

I wonder how many of these activists think the Koran burning guy is to blame for the UN murders?

98 90 Really?  So by your reasoning men are such childish, animalistic things that they simply will not be able to control themselves when confronted with provocatively clad women?  That is the flip side of this -- women, you'd better cover up, because men are incapable of controlling their impluses. Keep strutting your whorish little strawman in front of me and I'm going to rape it.

99 Got that definition of rape ready yet? Didn't think so. Nuance.

100

AllenG,

I don't think there is ever an appropriate use of "slut" in a police statement, especially when talking about potential victims of rape.  It's as though he was teleported here from 1971 or something. 

But as I alluded to before, this is just the dying gasp of feminism attacking the soft targets.  When Islam begins to take hold of the dress code suddenly the 'feminists' will find the niqab sexy per Naomi Wolf.  It's nice protesting against post-Christian western men.  They rarely gang rape women in public. 

101

I don't think there is ever an appropriate use of "slut" in a police statement,

...

"The Victim's shirt was baby-blue and displayed the word "SLUT" in Large Bold Font."

...

102 Not that kind of statement.  The other kind.  

103 I'm surprised to read sort of angry disagreement about rape being about control.  I thought that was well-established.  It's certainly what my father always told me - he worked for about forty-odd years in criminal justice (probation in DC and federal and state pens).  The last seven'ish years he worked exclusively with violent criminals, including many rapists.  I doubt the elderly woman who was raped when one of these animals encountered her when he was ostensibly in her house to burgle it was very alluring. 

Without accusing anyone here, I have to say when I encounter real resistance to the line of thought that rape is about power and predation rather than about sex, I sometimes wonder if the men taking that position have crossed a line themselves sometime in their own past.  I think we even had someone comment along those lines (everyone does it) when we were discussing the Big Ben incident.  Do most men think they'll cross the line if the opportunity presents itself?  If so, thank god I married a good man. 

104 Different question.  If a john has sex with a prostitute and does not pay her, is that rape or theft?  I'd say theft. 

If he tries to negotiate a freebie and is spurned, but forces himself on her anyway, I'd call that rape. 

105

"rape is about power and predation rather than about sex"

That right there is the heart of the argument, rape is not about one rather than the other, it's about both. Niether one alone is sufficient for it to be rape, both are required.

106

111 It isn't a strawman, and you know it.  Or you should. 

The problem with all of this is that it very much distorts what actual rape is and what an actual rapist is.  Drunk college frat boys are not usually or predominantly, rapists.  They may engage in some rude and lewd behavior in a group, but overall, they are not rapists.  Most men are not rapists.  They do have normal sexual response and appetites, but that is usually not the hallmark of that sort of crime anyway, and it's really bad that people have bought in to thinking otherwise.

Rapists are a very specific set of very predatory people who do not have the usual filters for correct behavior in place -- and quite a few of them are very capable of advancing along the path to more and more violent actions.

All this crap about dressing slutty and date rape and take back the night and blah, blah, blah has done a great job of obfusicating the actual deed for most of the public (I'll use you Jeff, as my exhibit A and these idiot women as exhibit B).  That is a very bad thing -- because it trivializes what should be considered a very serious crime that can lead to (or be engaged in in parallel fahion) other very serioius crimes perpetrated by highly predatory and not quite right people -- something no society should trivialize.

We've gotten to the point where we've cracked down hard on young men, who by percentage are not rapists, and totally overlooked the real problem, which imho, is a society that turns a blind eye to predatory and uncivilized behavior which is a sanctuary for a true rapist...because they are too busy cracking down on a drunken frat boy and parading around without their panties on.

 

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121 I might also add that all this bs has allowed the category of women who do commit rape (and usually it's filed under child molestation -- rapists rape those who they believe they can dominate, an easy target; for the sort of woman who could commit such crimes that usually means a child).

There are predatory women out there -- and all this attention on the aforementioned men and women dressing slutty, whatever, has completely taken everyone's eyes off what should be the real target.

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If those who are somewhat skeptical of the idea that rape is about power, not control, are borderline rapists, shouldn't their opinions carry more weight than those that aren't because they have a better idea of what motivates rapists?

109 The problem is that these sorts of statements often seem to shift blame from perpetrator to victim -- even when they don't, and are meant innocently, even helpfully. It is true: 99% of all rapists are men and 90% of all rape victims are women. That's a pile of risk that affects women (almost) nearly exclusively, and women should be (and of course -- are) aware of it. So both statements are, alas, true: Rape is always the fault of the rapist, and caution can slightly lower the chances of rape. Both of these can be true without offense intended to the victim or potential victim. Very true. I had a girlfriend in college Senior year confide in me that she was raped her Freshman year on campus. I was immediately outraged at whatever scumbag did this to her. Then she told me the story of how it happened... She had gone to a frat party and got a little wasted. This frat guy that was interested in her -- as he had hit on her the entire time at the previous weekend's party, then even going so far as to grab her arm and not allow her to leave when she rebuked his advances -- offered to walk her back to her dorm room. She accepted. Once there, he invited himself inside and she didn't say no. 'One thing led to another' and they end up making out on her bed. They apparently got as far as down to their underwear and she started to come out of her drunken haze and told the guy she didn't want to go any further. He apparently said 'it's too late now' and proceeded to have sex with her. According to her, she didn't fight it off too much after the initial protests of 'no' to him, since she felt it was pointless, but she also did not want it to happen. Now, this rape was 100% the fault of the guy, since it is never 'too late' to stop. However, I couldn't help also feeling annoyed with her for putting herself in that position in the first place, especially after she knew the guy was prone to handling women after he grabbed her arm and refused to allow her to leave the party the week before. But there was no way that I could say anything along those lines to her without her feeling that I was blaming her for being raped. So I never did tell her that I had those thoughts. I only gave her my sympathy and my ear if she ever wanted to talk about it. Of course, fast-forward 10 years later, where she found me on Facebook and we decided to get together to catch up, and I find she is behaving in the same naive manner as she did in college (appealing to guys with her sexuality and dating loser guys who find this attractive), and is a single mother from a dead-beat dad in addition to that. Who knows, maybe if I had the nerve to tactfully tell her that she has to stop putting herself in those situations with loser guys and that she is worth being treated much, much better, maybe she would have changed. I dunno. It's just never easy to talk about and not come across the wrong way.

110 Yes, absolutely. The sexual revolution is a revolution that has been at the detriment of young women IMHO. It exploits women and takes power away from them and calls it freedom, when in fact it gives away the milk for zero return. A ripoff for the women plain and simple. Posted by: maddogg at April 04, 2011 05:02 PM Yep. Someone left this comment on a Big Hollywood post I was reading recently and I agree with it 100%: ----- I have never understood how anyone has ever bought into the lie that the Left is pro-women. The Left constantly pushes for legalizing prostitution -- Men using women as sex objects. The Left worships pornography -- The vast majority of porn watchers are men. Porn shows women being used by men The Left loves abortions -- Great way for men never to have to take responsability for infidelity, pedophilia, etc. Girls are aborted at a much higher rate than boy babies. The Left has embraced Islam -- Islam hates women. The Left constantly embraces shows like Glee which trivilize women and portray women as mere sexual objects for the pleasure of others. So, can anyone please tell me how Left wingers care about women? Since the feminist revolution of the 1960s, women have lost more than they have gain!

111 The problem is they aren't doing it. All the women I see are wearing pants. If they really meant it they'd all be wearing skirts without underwear, in Toronto, in the first week of April, after a particularily hard winter, now that would take some bravery.

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124 The thing of it is, we don't do a very good job of teaching young women to reject the advances of somebody who is acting completely out of bounds.

No woman should ever think that it's "ok" for a man to start grabbing her and shoving her; no woman should choose to act in a submissive manner towards such a man or give them the time of day.  That's where your old girlfriend went wrong, and it's unfortunately something a lot of young women do -- because nobody teaches them that this is very seriously not "ok" (by the time you let a man grab you and haul you about, then you have set up a potentially bad circumstance).

And it is with the women that such behavior out of men is best nipped in the bud, not the state and their sensitivity programs.  If young women were taught to reward polite, well mannered young men with their feminine attentions and outright reject the oafs, we'd probably see a quick turnaround in some of the troubling behaviors we're seeing in men -- but that will not happen until women learn to take back the power that they have and reward the right sort of fellows.

113 the woman in micro-shorts with "JUICY" printed across the ass And for the record, I've never seen this on any woman who did weigh at least a deuce and a half. Posted by: mpurinTexas (kicking Mexico's ass since 1836) at April 04, 2011 05:44 PM Well, maybe they don't wear that stuff in Texas, but they do in the Midwest. I've seen young, petite girls (teen to 20s) wearing these pants/shorts at the mall, grocery stores, the gym and even out rollerblading. The grocery stores and malls are notorious for girls wearing their pajama pants with words on the ass too. And what is even worse is that the ones at the grocery stores are walking around with their mothers and it's obvious the girls are teens still in HS. Now, I'm sure if I went to places like Walmart and the like -- which seems to be notorious for large people in small clothes, ie "People of Walmart" -- I'd see the 'deuce and a half' women. But go other places and you see the smaller women/girls wearing the stuff too.

114 If those who are somewhat skeptical of the idea that rape is about power, not control, are borderline rapists, shouldn't their opinions carry more weight than those that aren't because they have a better idea of what motivates rapists? Posted by: Grey Fox at April 04, 2011 06:59 PM (UA9Dy) Game ball to Grey Fox. Nothing gets me in a rapin' mood like some woman trying to tell me why I rape the way I do.

115 If young women were taught to reward polite, well mannered young men with their feminine attentions and outright reject the oafs, we'd probably see a quick turnaround in some of the troubling behaviors we're seeing in men -- but that will not happen until women learn to take back the power that they have and reward the right sort of fellows. Posted by: unknown jane at April 04, 2011 07:27 PM Amen to that. I always tell my women friends who complain about men, that a big part of the reason men today are the way that they are is because of how women have 'trained' them to 'evolve' in this manner. 'In the old days', women made men 'court' them. And a big part of the attraction of marriage was that if a guy wanted to have sex, he had to marry the woman. Well, a woman (well, most women anyway) was not going to marry him if he treated her poorly. So, men courted women for marriage and then eventually got sex (and love and marriage and family, etc). Nowadays though, the only 'courting' that men typically do is to get laid (whether it's a one-night stand, the '3rd date rule', or working towards exclusivity where it seems many women nowadays draw the line for when they will start having sex in a relationship). And the reason they know they can do that is because of the 'sexual revolution', which separated sex from marriage.

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My main problem with this Slutwalk is the triviality of it. I'd support such a walk, enthusiastically, in an oppressive, woman-hating Muslim tyranny.

Have you been to Candistan lately?  They're heading that way, and fast.

117 skirts without underwear?  I, for one, endorse this measure.  I would go a step further and say that I encourage it without regret.

118 You know what I could go for right now? A grilled chicken salad. Or rape. I really could go either way. TODAY'S RAPE LEVEL: ELEVATED THERE ARE NO SPECIFIC THREATS OF RAPE, BUT RAPE IS POSSIBLE.

119 What else do Canadians have to do?

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All this talk about sluts who wear skirts with no underwear...but no pics?

buzzkiller

121 I'm super modest, but after seeing a toddler in a fucking burka at the park yesterday , I was ready to join up with the crazies in Austin who walk around toppless. Then again, I'd have to hear people talk about slut shaming

122 Even this topic of women going without panties shows that everything comes down to Bush.

123 I think the date rape problem is the biggest area where a woman should not dress like a slut.  A serial rapist doesn't care what you are wearing.  Muslims are told that they can rape someone who dresses slutty.

124 I betcha there'll be alot of mirrors on shoes that day of the march...

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139 And dressing "slutty" for those fellows means you aren't wearing gloves with your burka, or you lifted your burka up when stepping over a puddle and somebody caught a glimpse of your big toe.  Besides, plenty of burka clad Afghani women could tell you (if they hadn't been killed for adultery) that men forced their way into their homes and raped them, full burka and all (at which point they got charged with adultery and were stoned to death).

And "date rape" has been so misused as to lose its meaning: most of the time, if there is an actual rape, it's very similar to the one Clyde mentioned.  Most men, even with confronted by "slutty" clothed women, do not try to rape them (they may try to seduce them; they may try to get them drunk and pitch the woo; they may even beg or try the old guilt trip, but they don't try to coerce) -- the ones that try to grab a woman, shove a woman, push a woman, basically force her to submit to his requests...those are the ones that are not above coercion of some kind; and they'd probably do it to their target even if she was conservatively dressed.  They latch on to a girl because she allows them to act very aggressively pushy -- those fellows probably need to be bashed in the testicles at some point...and women should not tolerate, and especially not reward, their behavior. 

There is a difference between men staring, even leering, at a sexy woman.  I really can't understand why it has devolved into men not even being allowed to look (as is their natural right and inclination) and to appreciate, or why women have misconstrued "sexy" (a good thing imho) with "slutty" (kinda stupid and foolish way to present oneself)...and irony of ironies, society fixates more on this than actual assaults and rapes.

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Muslims are told that they can rape someone who dresses slutty.

And what should we tell gun owners about people who wear Muslim garb?