August 04, 2011
— Ace Cantor had previously described Obama as "in over his head."
He offers a fuller outline of Obama's serious intellectual deficiencies to NRO.
Obama seems to think about issues on the level of babytalk.
He’s overly sensitive to someone differing with him on policy grounds,” Cantor says.And he’s isn’t persuasive. “There’s never any sort of economic argument that he can make for his position. It always reverts to that social-justice end,” Cantor argues.
Not that Obama uses the phrase “social justice.” “It’s ‘fairness.’”
What’s more, Obama’s prickliness is “directly opposite” Cantor’s experience with Vice President Joe Biden: “I had almost seven weeks with the vice president, and those talks were substantive. He and I spoke weekly. Our staffs met daily. The agenda was set. Our staffs had done the initial ‘tolerance test’ as to probing how far either side could go on a particular issue. And if it was too far, we tried to stay away from it.”
By contrast, Cantor believes the president’s ideological mindset is impenetrable: “This guy just doesn’t get it.”
"Fairness" is an emotional response, particularly when there is no supporting concrete evidence offered to explain why one position is fair and one isn't. It's just a gut thing, which is fine for a disengaged voter in deciding for whom to vote for President, but the actual policy wonk in chief is supposed to have a stronger grasp of the details of the problem beyond "fairness."
Does the supposed intellectual not think in terms of numbers and abstractions?
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Furthermore, "fairness" is subjective and the notion of what is "fair" depends a bit on the whims and mood of the person defining what is "fair" at any given moment.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 04, 2011 09:55 AM (9hSKh)
Why is everyone so afraid to admit the obvious. Obama is a radical leftwinger. Fairness = tax rape and economic destruction. That's fair, you see.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at August 04, 2011 09:55 AM (0fzsA)
By most accounts, Obama had little to do with the deal as well. It was Biden and Obama's advisers speaking with McConnell.
Posted by: 80sBaby at August 04, 2011 09:56 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: The DNC at August 04, 2011 09:56 AM (tqwMN)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 04, 2011 09:56 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 09:56 AM (AZGON)
I may have taken liberties with that quote.
Posted by: that guy at August 04, 2011 09:56 AM (GTbGH)
Well, that right there is the very definition of a modern liberal.
Posted by: chemjeff at August 04, 2011 09:58 AM (czcue)
Posted by: Shiggz at August 04, 2011 09:58 AM (v8Pb8)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 04, 2011 09:59 AM (kUaEF)
Posted by: Navin R Johnson at August 04, 2011 09:59 AM (qvb/m)
Posted by: Captain Hate at August 04, 2011 09:59 AM (zsvKP)
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at August 04, 2011 10:00 AM (2PTT7)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 04, 2011 10:01 AM (pLTLS)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at August 04, 2011 10:01 AM (0M3AQ)
Posted by: Kal Penn at August 04, 2011 10:01 AM (136wp)
Does the supposed intellectual not think in terms of numbers and abstractions?
No. Next question.
That's true of supposed intellectuals in general. The theory is the beautiful thing, reality must bend to theory. The actual real world implications are irrelevant.
Also note that "fairness" is a one way street. I will once again haul out my rant about how it'll be "fair" to take money from me to give to someone else once I'm given back every party I didn't attend, every drink I didn't drink, every drug I didn't take, every person I didn't screw, every Friday/Saturday/Sunday night I spend studying rather than partying, every pair of shoes I didn't buy, etc. etc. ad infinitum ad nauseum. Somehow the sacrifices I made to now be able to eke out a modest living just don't count when considering what's "fair".
Posted by: alexthechick at August 04, 2011 10:01 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: the Butcher at August 04, 2011 10:02 AM (8g9qq)
Yes, the guy that walked up to a woman who had part of her head shot off and said, 'welcome to the cracked head clubs, is smarter than the Head Cheese.
Just getting that on the record.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 04, 2011 10:03 AM (pLTLS)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 04, 2011 10:03 AM (kUaEF)
Posted by: Randy! at August 04, 2011 10:03 AM (nEvyg)
Posted by: chemjeff at August 04, 2011 01:58 PM (czcue)
Damn your black soul to hell, I am never getting Penzance out of my head now. Monty, be a dear and whip up some liberal lyrics for it.
Posted by: alexthechick at August 04, 2011 10:04 AM (VtjlW)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 04, 2011 10:04 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: Joe Biden at August 04, 2011 10:04 AM (kUaEF)
Posted by: Dow -400, Dow -200s kid sister playing with mommy's make-up and has the lipstick open at August 04, 2011 10:04 AM (sOXQX)
Here is a pictorial representation of what your policies are doing to the US Economy:
http://tinyurl.com/3t6p8vf
Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 04, 2011 10:05 AM (136wp)
The guy has no idea about how an economy or taxes work. No idea At All. And the media blew it all off because it was "racist" to ask follow-up questions.
Posted by: Don at August 04, 2011 10:05 AM (3Ao0h)
Our last intellectual president had a firm grasp of the theory behind our laws and economic development. He also had a tremendous grasp of the nuts and bolts of the economy. And he understood that getting out of the way was the best thing for all involved.
Oh, never mind. Ronald Reagan was just a stupid cowboy.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at August 04, 2011 10:06 AM (LH6ir)
Every day, I see Barack make choices he knows will affect every American family. That's no small task for anyone—and more proof that he's earning every last one of those gray hairs.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2011 10:07 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Dr Spank at August 04, 2011 10:08 AM (1fB+3)
Posted by: Jean at August 04, 2011 10:08 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2011 10:08 AM (UOM48)
His racial makeup and liberal/progressive/ commit views dictate that he MUST be smarter than everyone else. Even if all evidence points to the contrary, affirmative action has taught us that indeed, a minority is ALWAYS smarter. Always. Especially a commie minority.
So obviously, anyone questioning this is a racist.
Posted by: Liberals Everywhere at August 04, 2011 10:08 AM (z63Tr)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 10:09 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at August 04, 2011 10:09 AM (f8XyF)
The problem with Fair and Fairness and the rich need to pay a fair share is nobody can define what that is.
To me, fair is I get based on my efforts and you get based on your efforts. If I work a 60 hour week and you sit on the couch watching reality TV, don't ask me to share what I have because that would be fair.
Posted by: AndrewsDad at August 04, 2011 10:09 AM (C2//T)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2011 02:08 PM (UOM4
Do we even know if he graduated?
Posted by: Tami at August 04, 2011 10:09 AM (X6akg)
If by "Numbers & Abstractions" you mean "Skittles and Unicorns", then yes, yes he does.
Posted by: krakatoa at August 04, 2011 10:10 AM (raxYt)
Posted by: The Grand Bargain at August 04, 2011 10:10 AM (AZGON)
We know Michelle was an affirmative action student. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn Barky was as well.
He's just so....so....special.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2011 10:10 AM (UOM48)
Resorting to the "that's not fair!!!" line is what you hear on a playground at recess.
Guess what.
Life's not fair.
Deal with it.
Let's talk about what's true, right, good and beautiful. Let's talk about what's prudent, just, and providential.
Fairness is a term that has a hint of "what I want is right, what I want is good, what I think is true because I think it, and that's what makes it fair."
Posted by: Minuteman at August 04, 2011 10:10 AM (hbAPu)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 10:11 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: toby928™ at August 04, 2011 10:11 AM (GTbGH)
I'd bet my bippy that Biden is smarter than the O in just about every measurable way.
Yes, the guy that walked up to a woman who had part of her head shot off and said, 'welcome to the cracked head clubs, is smarter than the Head Cheese.
Biden (200
: "My first wife and one of my children were killed by a drunk driver in 1972!"
daughter of truck driver who hit the car: "he wasn't drunk and the police cleared him of wrongdoing back in 1972."
Biden:..........
Biden is a vicious SOB. he was using the corpses of his family for political gain.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 04, 2011 10:11 AM (6rX0K)
GIBSON: All right. You have, however, said you would favor an increase in the capital gains tax. As a matter of fact, you said on CNBC, and I quote, "I certainly would not go above what existed under Bill Clinton," which was 28 percent. It's now 15 percent. That's almost a doubling, if you went to 28 percent. But actually, Bill Clinton, in 1997, signed legislation that dropped the capital gains tax to 20 percent.
OBAMA: Right.
GIBSON: And George Bush has taken it down to 15 percent.
OBAMA: Right.
GIBSON: And in each instance, when the rate dropped, revenues from the tax increased; the government took in more money. And in the 1980s, when the tax was increased to 28 percent, the revenues went down. So why raise it at all, especially given the fact that 100 million people in this country own stock and would be affected?
OBAMA: Well, Charlie, what I've said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.
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That one exchange, right there, was all you needed to see.
Posted by: Andy at August 04, 2011 10:11 AM (5Rurq)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at August 04, 2011 10:11 AM (+lsX1)
Posted by: Jean at August 04, 2011 10:12 AM (WkuV6)
Holy fuck we're in trouble! And I mean as a country!
Posted by: EC at August 04, 2011 10:12 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 10:13 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Joe Biden at August 04, 2011 10:13 AM (kUaEF)
Dems have this run-away car in "D"...as we go over the cliff!
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 04, 2011 10:13 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: El Jefe at August 04, 2011 10:14 AM (F/4zf)
How anyone could have heard that (and many of us did) without punching the Emergency Stop button is a mystery.
Posted by: George Orwell
The same people who act one way with their money, and quite another when they think they can achieve a political goal at no personal cost.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 04, 2011 10:14 AM (6rX0K)
Remember this: 'I Think I Have A Much Higher IQ Than You'
http://tinyurl.com/3eaapg
Posted by: The Robot Devil at August 04, 2011 10:14 AM (136wp)
Four thousand FAA employees shit-out-of-luck with no pay.
/show pic of Obama shirtless on beach; cue Go-Gos ♪ Vacation, all I ever wanted
Posted by: Mental Video Montage at August 04, 2011 10:14 AM (sqkOB)
Remember, Obama doesn't think about how tax policy affects revenue, he's concerned with the fundamental fairness of taxing those who have more, even if it hurts the economy.
Feeding the Green Eyed Monster, envy = Fairness
Posted by: Minuteman at August 04, 2011 10:15 AM (hbAPu)
See? I'm working like a charm.
Posted by: The Grand Bargain at August 04, 2011 02:10 PM (AZGON)
Never waste a crisis.
Posted by: Rahm at August 04, 2011 10:15 AM (136wp)
Posted by: Jean at August 04, 2011 10:15 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 10:15 AM (AZGON)
Fixed.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2011 10:16 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Socratease at August 04, 2011 10:16 AM (vaIln)
Dems have this run-away car in "D"...as we go over the cliff!
Posted by: Kratos
Can we stop along the way and at least get one of those slurpees i keep hearing about? Better yet. Let me off anywhere here and I'll hitch a ride on a corporate jet.
Posted by: taxpayer strapped to the car roof at August 04, 2011 10:16 AM (326rv)
Oh, right, I'm a terrorist carjacking hobbit hostage-taker. I can say anything.
Posted by: Andy at August 04, 2011 10:16 AM (5Rurq)
Posted by: willow at August 04, 2011 10:16 AM (h+qn8)
Posted by: steevy at August 04, 2011 10:17 AM (Nspp5)
Posted by: Stupid Fucking Progressive at August 04, 2011 10:17 AM (agD4m)
Posted by: steevy at August 04, 2011 10:17 AM (Nspp5)
just saw a new bumper sticker (here in MA):
Choose Freedom
Stop Obamacare
Had the car been keyed?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2011 10:17 AM (UOM48)
Except you are the only type of "terrorist" that Obama won't kowtow to or appease.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 04, 2011 10:18 AM (9hSKh)
How anyone could have heard that (and many of us did) without punching the Emergency Stop button is a mystery. Silly, capital gains is a white thing. Fairness is a special thing of color.
Posted by: Sub-Tard at August 04, 2011 10:18 AM (0M3AQ)
52 %
i hope you've Shared in the pain of job and home loss and fear about what tommorrow will bring to your families future.
Posted by: willow at August 04, 2011 10:18 AM (h+qn8)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 10:18 AM (AZGON)
That is the ultimate poison in the minds of the progressive. The insurmountable insanity; There is no amount of freedom they will not sacrifice, no institution they will not destroy, no amount of prosperity they aren't willing to choke the life out of, in pursuit of their unobtainable ideal. They will gleefully sacrifice everything in existence just trying to get what a rational person knows he can never have: Perfect fairness.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at August 04, 2011 10:19 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Secret Progressive Wisdom iBook at August 04, 2011 10:19 AM (agD4m)
just saw a new bumper sticker (here in MA):
Choose Freedom
Stop Obamacare
Had the car been keyed?
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2011 02:17 PM
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Did it have out-of-state plates (like from Wyoming)?
Posted by: arhooley at August 04, 2011 10:19 AM (EVkXx)
Cantor is the one over his head. I have seen many, many people who believe that others can be reasoned with, share the same values, are rational. These people are dolts, naive, stupid, hopeless.
Anyone who has tried to reason with a four year old realizes none of the above is true and only a fool will try to reason with a four year old.
Cantor doesn't realize what he is dealing with nor how to handle a type such as Obama. On the other hand Obama realizes he is dealing with morons and his winning his points and agenda.
Why does anyone treat Obama other than you would if you were facing Chavez, Stalin, Castro, Hitler or Che across the table from you? This is why the GOP is filled with lots of critters who believe if only you treat the other fellow reasonably he will return the favor.
These types inhabit State and the CIA.
Posted by: Molon Labe at August 04, 2011 10:19 AM (g5MrG)
Posted by: Dow -400, Dow -200s kid sister playing with mommy's make-up now smearing lipstick all over her face at August 04, 2011 10:19 AM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Eric Cantor (R-Diaspora) at August 04, 2011 10:20 AM (agD4m)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff, Jesusland Liberation Army - Political Terror Brigade at August 04, 2011 10:20 AM (lbo6/)
There is no effing 'Social Justice'. There is justice, PERIOD.
Posted by: Navin R Johnson at August 04, 2011 01:59 PM
Another one that they don't get is the difference between individual rights and group rights.
Posted by: arhooley at August 04, 2011 10:20 AM (EVkXx)
Hell, it would fail on day one. No one wants to go into a Subway and have only two choices: Arugula sandwich on salt-free soybread or soybean cold cuts on an arugula "bun."
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 02:15 PM (AZGON)
A Subway run by Barack Obama would charge you $10 per sandwich if you make between $40,000 and $100,000 per year, and $100 per sandwich if you make over $100,000 per year. If you make under $40,000 per year, everything is free.
The only customers would be the usual people looking for freebies as anyone with a decent job would be smart enough to eat elsewhere, and it'd be bankrupt after one day.
Then he'd blame the guy who ran the Subway before he did.
Posted by: robviously at August 04, 2011 10:20 AM (JYBAr)
(reference, Jens rant from IT Crowd)
Posted by: Shiggz at August 04, 2011 10:21 AM (v8Pb8)
"Many of my friends have voiced concerns about the deal that I ended up voting for, because they felt it did not do enough to cut the deficit. Let me be the first to say that I agree. The final deal is not everything that I wanted, nor is it a cure-all for our massive debt problems, but it's a small start that will reduce the deficit by at least $2.1 trillion and allow for a vote on a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution.
To put the debt ceiling deal in perspective, the Paul Ryan Budget would have cut $4 trillion from the deficit over 10 years. So the deal that we worked out, achieved 50% of the cuts that the Ryan Budget plan would have secured - and we still aren't done cutting!"
Posted by: cthulhu at August 04, 2011 10:21 AM (kaalw)
Posted by: Dow -400, Dow -200s kid sister playing with mommy's make-up
now smearing lipstick all over her face at August 04, 2011 02:19 PM
(sOXQX)
Now, now, girls. We're all pretty...
Posted by: Price of Oil at August 04, 2011 10:21 AM (136wp)
Well, will just have to take away nickless' #1 comment and give it to you then. I'm sure he won't mind.
Posted by: What do I care, I wasn't "first" at August 04, 2011 10:21 AM (sOXQX)
Because you cannot endow the weak with the skills and determination of the strong, the weak can never artificially be made strong. So, to create "fairness" you must then weaken the strong to be equal with the weak.
However, by hamstringing the strong, you handicap society's creators. This in turn provides less opportunity to the weak and is thus not "fair" to them.
Life is not, never has been and never will be fair. Ask the 99% of all species which have ever lived but are now extinct about fairness. Any government program which imposes a state upon nature which nature never intended will always eventually fail and cause suffering not just for the weak, but for everyone.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at August 04, 2011 10:22 AM (uVlA4)
But I'll be on Martha's Vineyard next week partaying and livin' large, so suck it, wingnutz.
Posted by: President Petulant at August 04, 2011 10:22 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 04, 2011 10:23 AM (kUaEF)
You might as well have asked that dumb fuck to calculate the square root of 4.
I'd consider someone who says "2" as someone I can at least listen to.
Posted by: FireHorse at August 04, 2011 10:23 AM (gTGz3)
Holy fuck we're in trouble! And I mean as a country!
A number of House Rs have and are calling Dear Leader an unprofessional ideologue. Likewise, it was reported that aides referred to the negotiations as "Professor Obama's lectures".
Posted by: 80sBaby at August 04, 2011 10:24 AM (o2lIv)
Via Dr. Sanity
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 04, 2011 10:24 AM (DEcmU)
Hot Dogs are the new cigarettes.
"Warning: Consuming hot dogs and other processed meats increases the risk of cancer."
That's the label that a vegan advocacy group wants a New Jersey court to order Oscar Mayer, Hebrew National and other food companies to slap on hot dog packages.
"Vegans complaining about hot dogs is like the Amish complaining about gas prices," said Susan Thatcher of Irvine.Posted by: soothie at August 04, 2011 10:24 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Dow -400, Dow -200s kid sister playing with mommy's make-up has the eye-liner out, too at August 04, 2011 10:24 AM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 04, 2011 10:24 AM (FWeqz)
Posted by: Jean at August 04, 2011 10:24 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: EC at August 04, 2011 10:25 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: Mr. Dow at August 04, 2011 10:25 AM (4QeK8)
Hot Dogs are the new cigarettes.
I like hot dogs, and I like cigarettes, but I don't eat cigarettes and I certainly don't smoke hot dogs.
Posted by: FireHorse at August 04, 2011 10:25 AM (gTGz3)
Posted by: Dow -400, Dow -200s kid sister playing with mommy's make-up found a bottle she doesn't understandhas at August 04, 2011 10:26 AM (sOXQX)
This is why the academic left has been trying to figure out how to prove that the hard sciences are racist/sexist/homophobic for the last 30 years.
Posted by: Ian S. at August 04, 2011 10:26 AM (tqwMN)
Posted by: BlackOrchid at August 04, 2011 10:26 AM (SB0V2)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2011 10:26 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 04, 2011 10:27 AM (kUaEF)
Remember Jonathan Haidt? His work demonstrates why the leftist obsession with "fairness" (despite an inability to define it). It comes down to moral adolescence, which is the behavioral root of this entire mess. In fact, the whole thing is inverted from the way we think of it: those who suffer from moral adolescence gravitate to leftist ideology precisely because that ideology exploits the unbalanced obsession with two of the five intuitive ethics driving human social behavior - one of those being "fairness" (the other being "harm/care", i.e., providing everyone with cradle-to-grave subsistence).
Posted by: goy at August 04, 2011 10:27 AM (AfU1B)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 04, 2011 10:27 AM (pLTLS)
Posted by: Hipster Douchebag with partially scraped creepy Hope 'n' Change sticker on his Prius at August 04, 2011 10:27 AM (w41GQ)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at August 04, 2011 02:19 PM (0q2P7)
The difference between conservatives and progressives is:
The difference between living in the world as it is and doing what you can to make it better or living in the world as you dream it and doing things you should be able to in that dream world.
Consequences aren't fair.
Posted by: Minuteman at August 04, 2011 10:27 AM (hbAPu)
Posted by: Jean at August 04, 2011 10:27 AM (WkuV6)
You might as well have asked that dumb fuck to calculate the square root of 4.
Root? As in plant, furthermore, as in plantation? Racism emanates from that very concept of math, the root!Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 04, 2011 10:27 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: Barry 0 at August 04, 2011 10:27 AM (2LW0W)
I won't give her the publicity here but I will say it's the one with a constant stream of fart sounds & golf claps and half their callers sound like vapid valley girls. They brought up Cantor and had nothing but childish personal attacks to offer. I kept thinking, is this really all you have to offer on a national radio show? Really?
Golf clap...
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at August 04, 2011 10:27 AM (4136b)
Posted by: rplat at August 04, 2011 10:28 AM (4vq8i)
Posted by: Jean at August 04, 2011 10:28 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 04, 2011 02:27 PM (pLTLS)
Suggest avoiding road rage approach. Important for you to remain at large and in good health.
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at August 04, 2011 10:29 AM (w41GQ)
Posted by: Jean at August 04, 2011 10:29 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 04, 2011 10:29 AM (9hSKh)
DOW Down 400 so far today. Wait for the Panic to hit starting @3:00 pm Things are Going to Get Fugly, Folks...
The employment numbers will be released tomorrow.
Posted by: 80sBaby at August 04, 2011 10:29 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: DJIA at August 04, 2011 10:30 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: DJIA at August 04, 2011 02:23 PM (GTbGH)
Bets it will hit -500 before closing today?
Come to think of it... Bets MSNBC will blame the Tea Party by 6:00 tomorrow morning?
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 04, 2011 02:27 PM (kUaEF)
Dude, they're probably doing it right now.
Posted by: robviously at August 04, 2011 10:30 AM (JYBAr)
| "And he’s isn’t persuasive. “There’s never any sort of economic
| argument that he can make for his position. It always reverts to
| that social-justice end,” Cantor argues."
"Fairness" is an emotional response, particularly when there is no supporting concrete evidence offered to explain why one position is fair and one isn't. It's just a gut thing, ...
{-- quoting Ace}
Adding up past reports, it looks like the Social Justice / "Fariness" is The Only Card JEF has. And it looks like this is really the only card JEF has ever had,and that he is incapable of understanding anything more complex, or even of growing up.
This is a major point for 2012 ... we need adults running the country, not pre-tween children.
We need someone who has the intellectual capacity to understand basic economic arguments ... actually, just basic arguments on any topic, then understand the responses and recommendations of experienced, successful men, and then act accordingly.
"Fairness", beyond ensuring that no one's existing, publicly defined and known, rights are trampled upon, is not relevant.
Posted by: Guy Karate, Member, The league of Ugly Shirted Gentlemen at August 04, 2011 10:30 AM (qHzuk)
Posted by: Jean at August 04, 2011 02:27 PM (WkuV6)
It's like those idiots on Wall Street don't realize how important this 'symbolic' victory over spending was, or something.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 04, 2011 10:30 AM (FkKjr)
<Raises hand>
Posted by: Fiscal Conservatives at August 04, 2011 10:30 AM (4QeK8)
"I want to announce that the leaders of both parties, in both chambers, have reached an agreement that will reduce the deficit and avoid default — a default that would have had a devastating effect on our economy."
--Obama
July 31, 2011
phew! good thing we avoided that disaster.
Posted by: lolobama at August 04, 2011 10:30 AM (sqkOB)
Of course it is a trick question, that is the point. They can't answer it (in public) yet it so reasonable that to dodge it automatically make them appear shifty and dishonest (which they are).
Posted by: John Morris at August 04, 2011 10:30 AM (sCRhB)
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Unemployment remains stubbornly high at just over 9 percent, but it's the alarming number of long-term jobless that is causing fresh concern for Democratic lawmakers.
But while Democrats, labor unions and even business groups like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce have called on the government to invest more money to stimulate job growth, Republicans intent on cutting federal spending have resisted such calls.
Democrats say there's is a growing urgency to the problem of persistent long-term unemployment, as people out of work are less likely to find a job the longer they are unemployed. Among those unemployed for longer than one year, only 8.7 percent were able to find work, according to recent 12-month statistics from the Bureau of Labor statistics.
Translation: The Democrats are saints. The Republicans want you dead. And how noble of Democrats and unions for wanting more government spending
Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 04, 2011 10:31 AM (1Jaio)
*clears throat*
Posted by: purity republican who reminded everyone what happened after TARP passed at August 04, 2011 10:31 AM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Yuval Levin at August 04, 2011 10:31 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Dave at August 04, 2011 10:32 AM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 04, 2011 10:32 AM (QxSug)
Yeeeaaah. I thought about that after the fact. I felt bad. For about 30 seconds and then I was over it.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 04, 2011 10:32 AM (pLTLS)
Posted by: Shiggz at August 04, 2011 10:33 AM (v8Pb8)
Even I'm jumping out the window
Posted by: the hamster keeps the ZH server powered at August 04, 2011 10:33 AM (sOXQX)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at August 04, 2011 02:27 PM (pLTLS)
You.
Me.
This weekend.
Posted by: EC at August 04, 2011 10:34 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 10:34 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Mature politicians wielding the levers of power at August 04, 2011 10:35 AM (AZGON)
Now its just a rough patch at 10%. Btw, i'd love to see the numbers before they erased unemployed working age adults from the workforce to get the 9.*%. According to them, we have less people working than 15 years ago. Yeah no cooking of books going on. Move along people
Posted by: Ghost of 7 years ago at August 04, 2011 10:35 AM (eXQfZ)
I think the zerohedge hamsters died
Stupid Catlady troll that has decided its her newest go-to website to pimp here hardest hit.
Posted by: buzzion at August 04, 2011 10:35 AM (oVQFe)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 04, 2011 10:36 AM (QxSug)
Posted by: toby928™ at August 04, 2011 10:36 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 10:37 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Benny and the InkJets at August 04, 2011 10:37 AM (DEcmU)
Posted by: Jean at August 04, 2011 10:37 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Joejm65, President of the Sloped Forehead Society at August 04, 2011 10:37 AM (vSyX7)
Posted by: steevy at August 04, 2011 10:38 AM (Nspp5)
TL
R versionWe didn't get out at the top and need our readers duped into buying the fucking dip so we can get ours.
Posted by: One those FIFY guys at August 04, 2011 10:38 AM (sOXQX)
Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 04, 2011 10:38 AM (cbyrC)
OBAMA: Well, Charlie, what I've said is that I would look at raising the capital gains tax for purposes of fairness.
Just replace 'fairness' with 'punishment' and you will understand the essence of this jug eared fuck. And of every bastard (and bastardette) that supports this worthless fuck.
Posted by: LGoPs at August 04, 2011 10:38 AM (6e/5m)
Posted by: QE II at August 04, 2011 10:38 AM (AZGON)
heh, Andrew Malcolm spanks Obama's bottom in the LAT...hard.
title: Obama's new fundraising speech: 2008 was really bad, so I need a second term
"Obama's literally still saying "Yes, we can." But he doesn't say why we haven't. No explanation for why the economy's still so bad despite all of his plans and spending and Joe "The Stimulus Czar" Biden's job growth promises.
Posted by: soothie at August 04, 2011 10:38 AM (sqkOB)
Anethema, for now.
You should have pointed at the sticker and laughed hysterically. And every time you see him, chuckle and walk away.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2011 10:39 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: Barry The 0 at August 04, 2011 10:39 AM (FcR7P)
You guys just don't understand politics.
Posted by: GOP anti-purity brigade at August 04, 2011 10:39 AM (FkKjr)
What if Republicans bought off Unions, almost all of them are just in it for the money. Higher percentages of union members vote Republican then all other democrat constituencies. Imagine! The democrat party would be done and empty... just radical Marxists and any minorities who still believe their BS.
Whatever the cost of the union inefficiency it surely cant add up to the total cost of democrat policy. And besides imagine having the teachers and the already socially, military, semi-fiscal union conservative working class on our side?
Imagine! Besides I really doubt we can this. Unions are all the muscle and money and numbers who just straight run democrat operations. We don't have to buy off every union group, just the more moderate ones the leftardia jenga coalition collapses.
Posted by: Shiggz at August 04, 2011 10:39 AM (v8Pb8)
I won't give her the publicity here but I will say it's the one with a constant stream of fart sounds & golf claps and half their callers sound like vapid valley girls. They brought up Cantor and had nothing but childish personal attacks to offer. I kept thinking, is this really all you have to offer on a national radio show? Really?
Holy crap, she's still on the air? I used to listen to her for laughs on the way to work in L.A., but that was in the days of Air America.
Posted by: arhooley at August 04, 2011 10:40 AM (EVkXx)
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 04, 2011 10:40 AM (4QeK8)
I don't think it's just their dissatisfaction with the deal, which some wanted spending cuts and taxes. It's a collection of events and bad news. Not a shred of good news on that entire page.
Posted by: 80sBaby at August 04, 2011 10:40 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Kathleen Parker at August 04, 2011 10:40 AM (Xm1aB)
Anethema, for now.
Posted by: Jean at August 04, 2011 02:37 PM (WkuV6)
Lacey Jean.
With me.
This weekend.
Posted by: EC at August 04, 2011 10:41 AM (GQ8sn)
www.telegraph.co.uk
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 04, 2011 10:41 AM (D9z3D)
Besides I really doubt we can this, without adding another group to our coalition. I still think buying off Unions would be the least bad of all options to more ore less extinct leftists political power on a federal scale.
Posted by: Shiggz at August 04, 2011 10:41 AM (v8Pb8)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 04, 2011 10:41 AM (agD4m)
Posted by: Mature politicians wielding the levers of power at August 04, 2011 10:42 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: arhooley at August 04, 2011 02:40 PM (EVkXx)
Yep. Her schtick hasn't changed either. It's a pretty hard show to listen to, which is why I rarely do. And now it's all-gay all the time since she came out. Zzzzz...
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at August 04, 2011 10:42 AM (4136b)
The key to this is not to stray from your original question.
That's one of my techniques in talking to a libard. One point at a time. We don't go to the next point until we clear up this first point.
Posted by: arhooley at August 04, 2011 10:42 AM (EVkXx)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 04, 2011 10:42 AM (kUaEF)
As long as our ruling class doesn't understand the problem, it's going to be awfully hard to stop it.
Obama *is* the problem.
Posted by: Lee at August 04, 2011 10:43 AM (BD1aO)
Both of those are lies so piss on him.
Posted by: Vic at August 04, 2011 10:43 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 04, 2011 10:44 AM (UOM48)
Posted by: George Orwell at August 04, 2011 10:44 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 04, 2011 10:46 AM (kUaEF)
Posted by: Dave at August 04, 2011 10:46 AM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: JackStraw at August 04, 2011 10:46 AM (TMB3S)
Am I fucking brilliant, or what?
Posted by: Kathleen Parker at August 04, 2011 10:46 AM (UOM48)
Any definition of Social Justice can only be furthered at the expense of Individual Justice.
Posted by: MostlyRight at August 04, 2011 10:47 AM (ZG8Ti)
And now it's all-gay all the time since she came out. Zzzzz...
Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at August 04, 2011 02:42 PM
She came out? What the hell took her so long? Mary Cheney has more guts than she does.
Posted by: arhooley at August 04, 2011 10:48 AM (EVkXx)
OTOH, DOW about 70 points off its low, so here comes the govt to save the day!
Posted by: Retread at August 04, 2011 10:50 AM (BO5ap)
2:06pm
* Worries about the U.S. economy and European debt
* Lack of relief
* Uncertainty with wrangling over debt ceiling
* Evidence of economic weakness
* A spreading debt crisis in Europe
* Monthly payrolls report tomorrow
* More trouble in Japan
* Lack of long-term debt solution
* A series of breaks in technical support
Posted by: 80sBaby at August 04, 2011 10:52 AM (o2lIv)
hello salmonella.....
As for economics, it is the Dismal Science.
Posted by: SantaRosaStan, revolutionary comrade at August 04, 2011 10:53 AM (UqKQV)
Posted by: Guy who doesn't know how the system works. at August 04, 2011 10:54 AM (JpBHP)
Posted by: tsj017 at August 04, 2011 10:54 AM (4YUWF)
It has everything to do with the spirit of the deal. The US and EU have the same basic problem in that whatever other lesser problems they had, they responded by massive government interventions that were always destined to fail spectacularly (US deficit spending is in fact such an intervention, its just been going on so long a lot of people fooled themselves into thinking it could continue)
In the "how bad is this" column, here the newest urgent advice from ZH:
We are very concerned we may see another Flash Crash, or Crash Crash as it would be better known assuming there is no imminent bounce back. As such we urge readers to immediately put limit buy prices across the entire S&P that are 19.99% down, as down 20% is the magical border below which the exchanges cancel all trades
Posted by: Methos at August 04, 2011 10:55 AM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Obumbles at August 04, 2011 10:56 AM (Nspp5)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 04, 2011 02:46 PM (kUaEF)
Really? I thought Natalie was just re-arranging the other girl's costume with her teeth / gums.
Decadent, eh Kratos? Very decadent.......
Posted by: SantaRosaStan, revolutionary comrade at August 04, 2011 10:56 AM (UqKQV)
Same thing happened in reverse in '08.
I think the uncertainty rattled them and they want a long-term solution, but it's not their primary fear right now. The drop is also a more realistic picture of where we are.
Posted by: 80sBaby at August 04, 2011 10:57 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: plunge protection team in training at August 04, 2011 10:57 AM (sOXQX)
Which president? I don't recall W having tacky, tasteless birthday parties, but I do remember a link in an earlier thread this morning to a pic of a pretty tacky 'I love me' cake for Barky from a few years ago.
Posted by: Retread at August 04, 2011 10:58 AM (BO5ap)
Posted by: mpfs, Tea Party Terrorist at August 04, 2011 10:58 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 04, 2011 10:59 AM (kUaEF)
Huh, social justice...
Yeah, no shit.
Do a search at amazon for "social justice". See what garbage is being poured into college student's minds nowadays...
And surprise, Bill Ayers has great sway with "educators"...
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at August 04, 2011 10:59 AM (tcSZb)
Posted by: 80sBaby at August 04, 2011 11:00 AM (o2lIv)
"Let me try again to rephrase the question with a concrete example. Elin gets half of Tiger Wood's stash after tax. So what percentage do unwed welfare mothers in public housing who never had to fuck Tiger deserve to rake off the top before Elin gets her half of what is left? If it more than half, explain why?"
Posted by: John Morris at August 04, 2011 11:01 AM (sCRhB)
Which president? I don't recall W having tacky, tasteless birthday parties, but I do remember a link in an earlier thread this morning to a pic of a pretty tacky 'I love me' cake for Barky from a few years ago.
Posted by: Retread at August 04, 2011 02:58 PM (BO5ap)
I don't thinks he used his Birthday's as campaign fundraisers either.
Posted by: buzzion at August 04, 2011 11:01 AM (oVQFe)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 04, 2011 11:04 AM (kUaEF)
19.47 Only four companies in the FTSE 100 have ended the day in positive territory, on a day when the UK's leading index fell 3.43pc. The companies are Randgold Resources, Unilever, Imperial Tobacco and Rexam. Gold and tobacco both in demand...
Posted by: 80sBaby at August 04, 2011 11:05 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Malia America at August 04, 2011 11:31 AM (p2IBw)
You might as well have asked that dumb fuck to calculate the square root of 4.
Pshaw! Of course I know the answer that! The square root of Fore is replacing all your divots! Duh!
Posted by: Precedent Hip and Putt at August 04, 2011 12:00 PM (jfHyQ)
Posted by: David at August 04, 2011 12:19 PM (/X2Wi)
245
How can Obama be so dense you ask? Here's a hint: Biden is the smartest one in the White House.
Posted by: Marmo the Greater at August 04, 2011 01:47 PM (Tm9Vp)
BHO said that the capital gains taxes should be raised even if it results in less revenue to the government as a "matter of fairness."
Jaw-dropping.
Why do the lefties want to raise taxes to the detriment of government revenue? "Fairness" and "Social Justice," i.e. Communism.
Posted by: Cooter at August 04, 2011 05:15 PM (C06Qq)
Posted by: eaglewingz08 at August 04, 2011 06:38 PM (vEdCV)
You're welcome.
Posted by: dissent555 at August 05, 2011 04:36 AM (yR6A1)
What’s more, Obama’s prickliness is “directly opposite” Cantor’s experience with Vice President Joe Biden: “I had almost seven weeks with the vice president, and those talks were substantive. He and I spoke weekly. Our staffs met daily. The agenda was set. Our staffs had done the initial ‘tolerance test’ as to probing how far either side could go on a particular issue. And if it was too far, we tried to stay away from it.”
He had 'substantive talks' with a dem policitian who refers to Tea Party conservatives as "terrorists".
I don't think that shit passes the 'tolerance test'.
Posted by: SFC MAC at August 05, 2011 02:44 PM (/qSCt)
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