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June 23, 2011

Captain America Looking Pretty Good
— Ace

New trailer.

There was a question raised about the villains here, the old Captain America foe, "HYDRA." Someone asked, "Does that mean he's not fighting Nazis?"

The trailer explains that HYDRA is the Nazi "Deep Science Division." If I heard that right. What the hell is deep science? I don't know.

Posted by: Ace at 04:19 PM | Comments (76)
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1 IIRC HYDRA was a Nazi offshoot in the postwar world.

Posted by: Obumbles at June 23, 2011 04:21 PM (W7xNY)

2 Sheesh you gotta keep climbing to keep up....

Posted by: KZnextzone at June 23, 2011 04:22 PM (ZUWaD)

3 He would be for Obama ignoring laws he doesn't agree with. Rick Perry is not only gay, he is the Red Skull

Posted by: palin steele at June 23, 2011 04:25 PM (VidfH)

4 Cool, when will the bluray be out?

Posted by: Vic at June 23, 2011 04:25 PM (M9Ie6)

5 Sock fail.

Posted by: steevy at June 23, 2011 04:26 PM (W7xNY)

6 TLDR

Posted by: fluffy at June 23, 2011 04:26 PM (SwkdU)

7 Shallow Science is Global Warming, most of the crap they put out about food, second hand smoke is hazardous to your health, etc. You know, all that stuff based on politics and what certain people want you to believe.

Maybe Deep Science is the stuff they used to just call science.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at June 23, 2011 04:27 PM (k34Gz)

8 Too much of that chick in the trailer.Hope they don't ruin it with a romance plotline.

Posted by: steevy at June 23, 2011 04:27 PM (W7xNY)

9 Man, this sure doesn't look like the squishy tone-it-down-on-the-AMERICA-stuff movie for foreign audiences that we kept hearing about. "Heroes are made in America" That's a pretty good tag line. I'm digging this.

Posted by: Caiwyn at June 23, 2011 04:27 PM (IxBYN)

10 Deep Science = Science Fiction

Posted by: Caiwyn at June 23, 2011 04:28 PM (IxBYN)

11 Does Soros get a cameo appearance, stroking a fluffy, white cat?

Posted by: Jean at June 23, 2011 04:29 PM (pawS5)

12 My wild guess is that Deep Science is what JJ Abrams' TV show calls Fringe Science (basically, our current technology is so advanced that we can do today what has always been called scifi). So like, the deep scientists are looking to do time travel, and walk through walls and stuff.

Posted by: pinchy migra at June 23, 2011 04:32 PM (pEKxc)

13 I can't even add my shitty comments to these posts fast enough Andrew Breitbart will be dissapointed... uhhh, or not.

Posted by: The Jackhole at June 23, 2011 04:33 PM (+qHxi)

14 Yeah, this looks likely to kick Green Lantern's ass. The occult Nazi bad guys seems to have remarkable staying power (Hellboy being a semi-recent usage).

The good thing about occult, fringe science Nazis -- you can always have them appear in 2011 to take over the world due to a)time travel, b) hiding in an alternate dimension, c) frozen in carbonite, d) imprisoned in the phantom zone, etc, etc.

Nazis + Cthulhu = permanent bad guys.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at June 23, 2011 04:38 PM (QcFbt)

15 The Bad News: it's Hydra...not an original 'foe' group (they were Nick Fury/S.H.I.E.L.D.'s original 'evil organization' to beat) for Cpt. America.

Red Skull or nuthin baby!

The Good News: Captain America (probably) won't be facing Hydra Skateboard Assault Group (yeah, that's right...skateboards).

Yeah, I was a Marvel fan from waaaaay back.

Posted by: CPT. Charles at June 23, 2011 04:38 PM (1GunI)

16 Don't like the uniform much. Captain America does not need a retard-helmet.

Posted by: nickless at June 23, 2011 04:40 PM (MMC8r)

17 I usually skip over all the comic/super hero movies, but this one does look pretty good.

Posted by: Joanie (Oven Gloves) at June 23, 2011 04:42 PM (y/+eD)

18 There's a short clip in there where he's using a shield that isn't his iconic round one, but more like the "classic" shield design that is like his first shield used like in The Ultimate Avengers animated film.

That actually goes back to the inception of the character.

Posted by: nickless at June 23, 2011 04:42 PM (MMC8r)

19 Clubber Lang at June 23, 2011 08:38 PM (QcFbt)

Hey, they're cheaper, and way safer than crazy Muzzie terrorists.

[Hollywood always goes for the easy-out...]

Posted by: CPT. Charles at June 23, 2011 04:44 PM (1GunI)

20 Yep, that's why I fled my part of Houston... the Nazis.

This form of entertainment reminds me of the massive mock-naval battles in the Colisseum; like in Gladiator. The Roman Empire had to keep reminding everyone of its glorious victory over Carthage... four hundred years after.

Posted by: Zimriel at June 23, 2011 04:45 PM (pl1+G)

21 Deep Science could be a new hollywood codeword for oil drilling.

Posted by: Shiggz at June 23, 2011 04:47 PM (mLAWK)

22 Deep science is the kind of science your wife won't give you, but your girlfriend will.

Posted by: nickless at June 23, 2011 04:49 PM (MMC8r)

23 Deep Science = Deep Ones, so when the "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" chanting starts...well, it goes downhill from there... for the sane folks anyway.

Posted by: DanB at June 23, 2011 04:52 PM (Wu7KO)

You're right, Host. This looks like a Don't Miss.

Color me pleasantly surprised.

Posted by: spongeworthy at June 23, 2011 04:57 PM (rplL3)

25 If only there were some barbaric modern bad guy Hollywood could make movies about. Some large organization or civilization that was really horrible and did all sorts of nasty stuff -- like beheading their enemies, or randomly killing innocent women and children. Like, just go with me here, they could have some ancient text that demands everybody else in the world must submit to them. So, like, they're on some unholy mission from God to just slaughter everybody who disagrees and won't submit.

Well, that's obviously just a crazy idea. So let's just keep fighting Nazis for the next 65 years! I haven't seen a movie with robot Nazis yet. Or werewolf Nazis. How about hyper-intelligent Nazi monkey ninjas? Has that been done?

Posted by: Clubber Lang at June 23, 2011 04:57 PM (QcFbt)

26 DanB beat me to it with the Deep Ones reference. "Hydra" obviously refers to that chewy tentacle action!

Posted by: Cadrys at June 23, 2011 04:59 PM (sdWdc)

27 Well, that's obviously just a crazy idea. So let's just keep fighting Nazis for the next 65 years! I haven't seen a movie with robot Nazis yet. Or werewolf Nazis. How about hyper-intelligent Nazi monkey ninjas? Has that been done?

Posted by: Clubber Lang at June 23, 2011 08:57 PM (QcFbt)

Yeah. Because Captain America vs. Nazis is just SUCH a cop out. It's just soooo out of left field.

Posted by: nickless at June 23, 2011 05:01 PM (MMC8r)

28 "What the hell is deep science?"

It's just like FRINGE science, only deeper. Silly boy. :-)

Posted by: WildWillyC at June 23, 2011 05:01 PM (fCINi)

29 @31 Dude, I already said it looks like a fun movie. And I know about Cap vs the Nazis. I was riffing and my larger is true, as you damn well know. Jesus, get a sense of humor.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at June 23, 2011 05:05 PM (QcFbt)

30 If "deep science" means something similar in Hollywood to "deep meaning", then whatever it is, it's incredible, and amazing, and amazingly incredible, and also incredibly amazing.

Posted by: gebrauchshund at June 23, 2011 05:06 PM (iYwUw)

31 If "Deep Science" is anything like "Deep Throat", I'm in!

Posted by: MrMaryk at June 23, 2011 05:07 PM (hH297)

32 Deep science = Deus ex machina

Posted by: AmishDude at June 23, 2011 05:10 PM (73tyQ)

33 I guess they nailed it. This adaptation of CA is looking at least as good as trailers for the first Iron Man movie. I didn't know TLJones was in this. Outstanding!

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at June 23, 2011 05:10 PM (KOAYS)

34 I'm so wet, I can't wait to fellate my girlfriend.

Posted by: erg at June 23, 2011 05:11 PM (73tyQ)

35 The Nazi deep science is settled science.

Posted by: Al Gore at June 23, 2011 05:12 PM (JEvSn)

An idiot Dean at my college babbled about "deep learning" at meetings.

I amused myself by imagining him as a Zardoz ...a disembodied head floating around the conference room emitting "edspeak".

These kind of assholes could fuck up a blow job.

Posted by: torabora at June 23, 2011 05:17 PM (LkWuF)

1) The director, I can't remember where I read this, intends to make Cap "not one of these flag-waving, jingoistic heroes".

Um. He's CAPTAIN AMERICA

2) Cap's costume looks tacky.

I'll probly skip this, even though I love the character.

Posted by: Truman North at June 23, 2011 05:18 PM (K2wpv)

38 It would be very cool to have a hero actually fighting Muzzie bad guys, but let's be realistic here -- it ain't gonna happen. [Hey, douchebag -- what's my big rule? You've got some burning need to break it? -- Ace]

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2011 05:20 PM (ELNEk)

39 They call it deep science so they can justify having 70's to modern technology in ww2

Posted by: buzzion at June 23, 2011 05:21 PM (3LZ83)

Not enough footage has been released in the previews so far to really tell about this one. But that trailer could have been improved considerably with some decent temp track music lifted from John Williams' score for The Patriot, Jerry Goldsmith's from Air Force One or something else similarly appropriate to set the proper tone instead of whatever that distracting noise was in the background.

Posted by: Commissioner Gordon at June 23, 2011 05:23 PM (L00d6)

41 I'll see it just because they used that Tool song in the trailer.

Posted by: UGAdawg at June 23, 2011 05:23 PM (/VjHB)

42 And I will say that I prefer retro-style flag waving set in the 1940s to modern-day America-bashing.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2011 05:23 PM (ELNEk)

Listen to CPT. Charles, he knows of what he speaks.

Just because the film says that the Red Skull is a part of Hydra does not make it so. I bet you also accept everything that Oliver Stone puts in his movies.

We all know that the original head of Hydra concealed his identity behind his job as a janitor. He was killed by his own agents who wouldn't believe that their leader wasn't a rich powerful man in real life.

And yeah Hydra had a skateboard assault team...wicked!

Posted by: Read all the Marvel comics in the 60s at June 23, 2011 05:24 PM (0xNrU)

44 Not unless and until Barack Obama is strangled on live television by the Chief Imam of Mecca.

I think the liberal pecking order is:

Muslims
Gays
Blacks
Women
Hispanics

So they'd make excuses for the Imam.

Posted by: WTF do I know at June 23, 2011 05:26 PM (JEvSn)

45 Nothing wrong with having Cap fight Nazis; it's a period piece! And the character's entire origin is tied up in WWII, after all. A 1940s period-piece superhero flick? Fuck yeah, I'll watch that. I watched The Rocketeer and The Shadow hoping for the same kind of action.

I do think that the further into history this era slips, the further it recedes from living memory, the more any attempt to depict it on screen is going to look caricatured, insincere, generally fake. The vibe I've gotten from the trailers is a bunch of 21st Century people in '40s costume, driving around in '40s ('30s, really) cars, etc.

The great WWII movies of the last century were made by and starred people who had lived through those times and in some cases actually served in the conflict. The Cap trailer, and other period movies of recent years, feel like well-meaning but ignorant and garish translations of what that period might have been like, from the perspective of people who are as far removed from those times culturally as they are from the Romans. It's unavoidable, I guess, because time marches on, but the contrast with the WWII films of the '50s-70s is dramatic.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at June 23, 2011 05:27 PM (wAxwp)

46 I deafened dogs in other counties with the shriek I let out at the "Mr. Stark".

Posted by: alexthechick at June 23, 2011 05:29 PM (sf+iw)

47 "What the hell is deep science?" I think that's Hollywood speak for "Research and Development" good old R&D.

Posted by: Rodney C. Johnson at June 23, 2011 05:30 PM (5uGq7)

Don't tell me... HYDRA and the Red Skull are secretly financed by American corporations, and only reliance upon the virtues of communism allow Cap to prevail, right?

After all, this is still a Hollywood pic.

Posted by: malclave at June 23, 2011 05:37 PM (W1Ndc)

49 I had a bad feeling about the Green Lantern movie and the reviews confirmed my fears. So far I don't have any bad feelings about Captain America.

Here's hoping.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 23, 2011 05:40 PM (ELNEk)

50 I still want to see a serious treatment of Doc Savage, the original American badass.

Yeah, the Mayans knew.

Posted by: Fritz at June 23, 2011 05:43 PM (p2IBw)

51 Dear God, here's a movie set in the 1940s. The director could use Benny Goodman, Duke Ellington, Artie Shaw, Count Basie, or Woody Herman; and instead, he concocts a soundtrack of cheesy rock. I think I'll pass.

Posted by: Brown Line at June 23, 2011 05:44 PM (ucztr)

52 That trailer is awesome. I can't wait.

The other trailer I saw made the "wimp" look like nothing but a wimp. This one makes him a hero before he even starts, and it's brilliant.

Posted by: Synova at June 23, 2011 05:52 PM (P0X9Q)

>>The great WWII movies of the last century were made by and starred people who had lived through those times and in some cases actually served in the conflict.

You know who could have made a hell of a Captain America film back in the day? John Ford. It's a shame that a top producer with real clout back then didn't have the amazing, far-seeing prescience to realize just how popular some of those 1940s comic book characters (then relegated to strictly B-list serial status) were eventually going to become. Sure, the special effects in a 1940s era A-list Cap feature film would have been more primitive, but they would have more than made up for that with a great script minus the PC anchor dragging it under.

Posted by: Commissioner Gordon at June 23, 2011 06:03 PM (L00d6)

54 "HEROES ARE MADE IN AMERICA"

...I am pleasantly surprised by that line. I sincerely hope that's not just focus-grouped bait intended to draw you in for the sucker punch.

Based on what we've heard prior to this, I think I'll wait for the verdict before buying a ticket. If they're serious about portraying him an actual American hero then yeah, I'll be happy to reward their efforts...but I've been stung in the past and I'm damned if I'll just take their word for it.

Posted by: apotheosis at June 23, 2011 06:13 PM (xWk3U)

55 You come round my place around 1am tonight, ace, and I'll show you some deep science.

Posted by: sifty at June 23, 2011 06:21 PM (BARAe)

56 Boo.

Posted by: enter sandman at June 23, 2011 06:33 PM (zxaA2)

57 y place around 1am tonight, ace, and I'll show you some deep science.

Posted by: Gucci Hobo at June 23, 2011 07:15 PM (cpw4F)

58 t, ace, and I'll show you some

Posted by: Gucci Shoulder Bag at June 23, 2011 07:15 PM (cpw4F)

59 Okay movie trailer. You can stay.

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60 tonight, ace, and I'll show you some de

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62 44

<blockquote>Not enough footage has been released in the previews so far to really tell about this one. But that trailer could have been improved considerably with some decent temp track music lifted from John Williams' score for The Patriot,Jerry Goldsmith's from Air Force One or something else similarly appropriate to set the proper tone instead of whatever that distracting noise was in the background.</blockquote>

Dude, any trailer that features music from Tool is just fine with me.

Btw, the song is

Posted by: exsanguine at June 23, 2011 07:35 PM (lktVX)

63 Grr, damn links.

Song is 46and2

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65 Deep science is like climate science except it'll go down on a Weiner.

Posted by: km at June 23, 2011 07:58 PM (2BdIN)

66 Could have been worse. Could have been a CAIR commercial.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at June 23, 2011 11:15 PM (qaU+h)

67 UGAdawg and others:

Agreed. 'Bout time someone realized Tool's cinematic qualities. Much of the reason I went out for 300 was because of NIN's work being featured in the trailers. Same thing here.

Music aside, this one looks like it could be fun.

Posted by: Stander at June 24, 2011 04:44 AM (aCPiT)

68
What? he's not taking on the wingnutz, pudding-dipping TeaBaggers? I'm disappointed.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at June 24, 2011 05:26 AM (1hM1d)

All of OBAMAS cabnet belong to HYDRA why else are they so sinister and evil

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at June 24, 2011 07:28 AM (vA9ld)

70 The "Heroes are made in America" line made me think of Brad Johnson's saying that Cap wasn't supposed to be "this sort of jingoistic flag-waver" in this movie. Did the trailer company not hear about that interview? Oh well, guess I will actually be watching jingoist propaganda when I go to the theater. I just can't wait to give the film two stars for over-American-spirit-ism.

Posted by: LA Times at June 24, 2011 07:49 AM (mr2NH)

71 So then he's taking on "your papers" SS errrr TSA Shock Troops. This should be aa big hit

Posted by: sicofit at June 24, 2011 10:55 AM (2xtwF)

72 Holy crap that was an effective trailer. I was sort of interested in the movie but now I really want to watch it.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 24, 2011 11:07 AM (r4wIV)

73 Oh and for the guy that was upset at the music int he trailer: That's the trailer the movie will not have that crap playing. The only reason I can say that so confidently is that the one part of any movie you can always rely on being well done these days is set design, costuming, and period details like music and references (although I'm not sure they used "technology" back then as a term).

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at June 24, 2011 11:11 AM (r4wIV)

74 HYDRA is the creation of Baron Wolfgang von Strucker, a Nazi party member and a world-domination opportunist, in the event Hitler's Third Reich collapse, become an opposing force against the victorious world powers in post-WW2, and provide a haven for escaping Nazis to fight back.

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75 HYDRA had a jet powered skate board assassin team PLUS a bad-ass satellite weapon, of I forget what kind, but S.H.I.E.L.D. had a Brainosaur! That's right, a Brainosaur! Which was also a satellite, but with a long snaky neck and an anti-satellite weapon of I forget what kind, and Tony Stark built it!
My spellchecker is choking on "Steranko," and that's just wrong.

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