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September 01, 2011

Carney: This New Plan Will Bring Unemployment Under 9.0%
— Ace

Wow. Dramatic. He's promising that the plan will lower unemployment from 9.1% to 8.9%. Who knows -- maybe even down to 8.7%.

He caveats the hell out of this. Because of course the last plan was supposed to keep it under 8%.

QUESTION: If Congress were to pass the package that the President's going to announce, unemployment would be under 9%?
JAY CARNEY: Based on, when you're talking about economic predictions, yes. Economic analysts, economists will be able to look at this series of proposals and say that 'based on history, based on what we know, based on their collective expertise, that it would add to economic growth and cause an increase to job creation.

And based upon prior assumptions and models that caused them to project 1.4 Keynesian multipliers and sub-8% unemployment.

He forgot to mention that one -- based on the same assumptions of liberal economists' that already proved to be false.

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YOU LIE, BOY!!11111!!ELEVENTY!!

Posted by: runningrn at September 01, 2011 11:18 AM (0fUOB)

2
Unexpectedly.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at September 01, 2011 11:18 AM (QMtmy)

3 He's promising that the plan will lower unemployment from 9.1% to 8.9%

That's easy. Obama is going to tell threaten the BLS to remove another 20 million people from the unemployment statistics.

Done and done!

Posted by: EC at September 01, 2011 11:18 AM (GQ8sn)

4 Based on, when you're talking about economic predictions, yes. Economic analysts, economists will be able to look at this series of proposals and say that 'based on history, based on what we know, based on their collective expertise, that it would add to economic growth and cause an increase to job creation.

Then why is every new number that is released week after week and month after month....'unexpected'?

Posted by: Tami at September 01, 2011 11:19 AM (X6akg)

5 We didn't do this in 2008 because at that time 8.9% would have been an unacceptable unemployment rate.

Posted by: Jay "Baghdad" Carney at September 01, 2011 11:19 AM (QKKT0)

6 because 8.9 would be good?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 01, 2011 11:19 AM (IpiZb)

7 Unfortunate we know, based on the last stimulus, that they will need to spend more than $1 trillion because one trillion last time didn't budge the needle.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 01, 2011 11:20 AM (jx2j9)

8 I feel more employed than ever!!

Posted by: Penfold at September 01, 2011 11:20 AM (1PeEC)

9 He caveats the hell out of this. Because of course the last plan was supposed to keep it under 8%. If you go back to that notorious graph of UE with and without stimulus, what did The Smartest Administration Ever predict if we passed the stimulus, as we did? They predicted that UE would be well under 7% now. So, this administration is a stuttering clusterfuck of miserable failure by its own standards and predictions. http://ace.mu.nu/archives/288619.php

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 01, 2011 11:21 AM (AZGON)

10 My assumption is that "based upon prior assumptions and models"--rather, the historical record of recoveries from earlier recessions, that without the deadweight of a SCOAMF administration, we'd already see a quite lower unemployment rate.

Cordially...

Posted by: Rick at September 01, 2011 11:21 AM (HbWhE)

11 How come the press doesn't care about Michelle Bachmann's toned arms? http://alturl.com/98w7i

Posted by: blaster at September 01, 2011 11:22 AM (l5dj7)

At least they learned from their mistake with the stimulus graph. Don't promise something you can never deliver

Posted by: Ben at September 01, 2011 11:23 AM (wuv1c)

13 based on what we know, based on their collective expertise I see a problem already...

Posted by: t-bird at September 01, 2011 11:23 AM (FcR7P)

Considering that the "economists" have been completely wrong on their estimates of everything, I am sure they can predict good things for obozo. The economists are academics, like evryone else in this administration, and have no clue how the real world works. As long as they get their checks, the world is fine

Posted by: Bookdoc at September 01, 2011 11:24 AM (n1aa8)

15 Wouldn't it be awesome if Jimmy challenged Obama?

Posted by: SFGoth at September 01, 2011 11:24 AM (dZ756)

16 Jay Carney, a junior member of the SCOAMF Club...

Posted by: GuyfromNH at September 01, 2011 11:24 AM (hADA5)

17 What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: eastvalleyphx at September 01, 2011 11:24 AM (qiOph)

18 I was thinking about how, if we were smart enough to play 8-dimensional chess like Obama, we should have let Obama totally throw us into the briar patch. Imagine if bohner had sent a letter saying "Sure, we look forward to your momentus speech, because as you know, expectations are sky high. Indeed, in requesting a joint session of congress, we expect you to propose ground breaking new iniatives that will favor growth... . Every conservative should build up this speech, after all joint session of congress stuff is like Bush post 9-11 attacks.

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 01, 2011 11:25 AM (QxSug)

19 Insiders might call this a stretch goal.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 01, 2011 11:25 AM (0N5pL)

20 And then go on to blast a few of his programs, point out failures of populist/keynesian policies and promote job growing stuff like lower taxes, regulations, in that letter boo yah, bully pulpit use achievement unlocked.

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 01, 2011 11:25 AM (QxSug)

21 If we don't pass THIS new plan... Oh, screw it. Where did I put my putter?

Posted by: Barak Obama at September 01, 2011 11:25 AM (niZvt)

22 Oh my. Sorry to go O/T so early but did you all see that Tommy Christopher of Mediate actually wrote a piece arguing that Boehner should resign for 'insulting' President Shanksalot. There are no words...

Link if you so desire.

Posted by: lu at September 01, 2011 11:27 AM (pLTLS)

23 Actually, Carney did not answer the question. He did not commit to under 9%. The newsie asked the questions and accepted the answer that "well, we talked to some economists who thought it might possibly help" was the same thing as declaring it under 9%. Not what he said. I am reminded of this: Ripley: How many drops for you is this, lieutenant? Gorman: Thirty-eight. Simulated. Vasquez: How many combat drops? Gorman: Uh, two. Including this one. Hudson: Oh-ho, man...

Posted by: blaster at September 01, 2011 11:27 AM (l5dj7)

24 thank you poison ivy league graduates......please step away from the economy....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 01, 2011 11:27 AM (IpiZb)

25 At this point it is a last second Hail Mary policy. If by some miracle catch or number manipulation by the BLS (pass interference) that it gets to 8.7% they will claim these new proposals (which will be just more payoffs) were what did it. All the while ignoring that 8.7% is atrocious.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes - ready for some football at September 01, 2011 11:28 AM (4nfy2)

26 Wow, 9.1% to 8.9% I'll bet it only cost an additional $600B added to the baseline budget too.

Posted by: Dirk Hardpec at September 01, 2011 11:28 AM (e8T35)

27 Let me put it another way. Last time, when every right-thinking elite educated mind told us in no uncertain terms that Obama is smarter than a century of Nobel medalists, his Plan to End All Plans predicted our unemployment would peak at 7.75% in October 2009. Obama got his way, and instead UE peaked in October 2009 at... 10.1%. 2.35% higher than he promised. So, given his actual track record, Dick's new "plan" to keep the rate at 9% ought to send unemployment to about 11.35%. Hope and change.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 01, 2011 11:28 AM (AZGON)

28 The audacity of hope indeed.

Posted by: Jimmuy at September 01, 2011 11:28 AM (kfoQv)

OK... WHICH economists? and what is THEIR prediction?

Oh, and can we see SPECIFICS of the plan? Now????? You know, actual legislative language instead of talking points?

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 01, 2011 11:29 AM (NtXW4)

30 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at September 01, 2011 11:29 AM (1Nzoh)

31 I have a plan that will put people to work right now. It's called the draft. It will mean a huge increase in the defense budget. How's that LEFTwingnutz?

Posted by: blaster at September 01, 2011 11:29 AM (l5dj7)

32 Behold the awesome power of this fully-functional jobs plan outline sketch crayon drawing.

Posted by: Darth Obamatine at September 01, 2011 11:29 AM (OK/vv)

33 26 Wow, 9.1% to 8.9% I'll bet it only cost an additional $600B added to the baseline budget too.

Posted by: Dirk Hardpec at September 01, 2011 03:28 PM (e8T35)

That, and a further 'norming' of the data... ie a further change in how we COUNT the unemployed.

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 01, 2011 11:30 AM (NtXW4)

34
Every cockamamie proposal made by the Democrats is promised to create jobs, lower the deficit, and increase national security.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 01, 2011 11:30 AM (sqkOB)

35 Carney, "Did I say jobs? Heh, heh. I do that all the time. What I meant to say was blow jobs. Obama has a blow jobs plan."

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 01, 2011 11:30 AM (jx2j9)

36 **last second Hail Mary policy.** oh man that's good. I don't like how the goalposts for the most important speech to America since FDR's "fear itself speech" is totally within the margin of error.

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 01, 2011 11:31 AM (QxSug)

37 Hey America stop me if you've heard this one before....let me "invest" a trillion dollars in "shovel ready projects" and unemployment will DROP friends....no really come on who's game to do this again fellas?!?

//Ogabe the Maleficent

Posted by: sven10077 at September 01, 2011 11:31 AM (AEIYh)

38 But will it get Uncle Omar a job?

Posted by: wth at September 01, 2011 11:31 AM (wAQA5)

39
"It's about jobs. In it's life, it [the health bill] will create 4 million jobs -- 400,000 jobs almost immediately."

-Stupid Pelosi
February 2010

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 01, 2011 11:31 AM (sqkOB)

I've got a plan to get Christina Hendricks to run away with me to Gamma Hydra 7.

This time I think it will work.

It's gotta work.

Posted by: eleven at September 01, 2011 11:31 AM (7DB+a)

41 Of course, we'll have to bankrupt the nation, impose martial law, seize all wealth everywhere, and impose a fascist dictatorship to do it, but all economists agree that this will bring the unemployment rate under 9%. All other things being equal.

Posted by: Jay "headed to hell" Carney at September 01, 2011 11:31 AM (RD7QR)

42 Has anyone actually seen the plan yet or is it still vaporware?

Posted by: alexthechick at September 01, 2011 11:32 AM (VtjlW)

43 Epic Fail

Obama obligated himself to keep unemployment BELOW 8%.

/How's Nevada feeling after re-electing job/industry destroyer Reid?

Posted by: maverick muse at September 01, 2011 11:32 AM (lpWVn)

44 Do you realize this asshole used to work for the Time? He used to cover Washington? He used to be the Time magazine Beaureau chief for Washington, a post he held from 2005-2008? And would it be that hard to imagine this fucking asshole let his fingerfucking by Democrat politicians influence his coverage of Bush, and politics in general? Nah no way, this is jouralistic "ethics" 101

Posted by: Mr. Pink at September 01, 2011 11:33 AM (B0ebt)

I thought you said in the last post that green jobs only made up 2%?

Cashing unemployment checks... that's 9% more right there!

Lying wingnuts.

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2011 11:33 AM (IsLT6)

46 But will it get Uncle Omar a job?

paving the illegal Pathway to Citizenship

Posted by: maverick muse at September 01, 2011 11:34 AM (lpWVn)

47 Carney reminds me of Gollum whenever he's under stress -- he literally writhes around at the podium and makes weird little scrunched up faces, mewling lie after lie hoping he gets away with it.

Posted by: Blacksheep at September 01, 2011 11:34 AM (8/DeP)

48 I call dibs on "infrastructure bank" in the speech drinking game. I expect to be quite drunk.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes - ready for some football at September 01, 2011 11:34 AM (4nfy2)

Yes! because we found out we only have 50 States, instead of 57 (or 58, or 59, that statement was kind of hard to follow)...

So.... based on that, we have 14% Less unemployment! Because we have 14% Less States!

Its a Win!!!

Posted by: BLS Mathematician, formerly employed by East Anglia at September 01, 2011 11:34 AM (NtXW4)

50
You call it deficits.

We call it maize.

Posted by: Democrats at September 01, 2011 11:34 AM (sqkOB)

51 I got an advance tip-off: from now on, anyone out out work for more than 15 months is automatically declared temporarily retired. Problem solved, at least till Perry takes office and the temporary retirement becomes unemployment again.

Posted by: mallfly at September 01, 2011 11:34 AM (bJm7W)

52 Anybody going to the game? A nice "SCOAMF!" poster would be nice to see.

Posted by: t-bird at September 01, 2011 11:35 AM (FcR7P)

53
You call it a waste of money.

We call it maize.

Posted by: Democrats at September 01, 2011 11:35 AM (sqkOB)

54 "Wow. Dramatic. He's promising that the plan will lower unemployment from 9.1% to 8.9%." And by sheer coincidence, political analysts think he must have unemployment down to at least 8.9 percent just to have any kind of chance at reelection at all. Ummm... that is just coincidence, right??

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 01, 2011 11:35 AM (niZvt)

55
You call it an economy killer.

We call it maize.

Posted by: Democrats at September 01, 2011 11:35 AM (sqkOB)

OT Insiders want Romney. ThatÂ’s good enough for me.

Perry it is.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at September 01, 2011 11:35 AM (jx2j9)

57
Discover the wonders of maize.

Posted by: Democrats at September 01, 2011 11:36 AM (sqkOB)

58 **Has anyone actually seen the plan yet or is it still vaporware?** you mean the last-ditch hailmary policy attempt? It is telling that there are no leaks or trial balloons. there is no plan. vaporware. What's a good play on vaporware, vaporspeech?

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 01, 2011 11:36 AM (QxSug)

59 Has anyone actually seen the plan yet or is it still vaporware?

Thursday night televised vaporware party vs. NFL

Posted by: maverick muse at September 01, 2011 11:36 AM (lpWVn)

60 "Directive 10-289. It's the only way."

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 01, 2011 11:36 AM (AZGON)

Taranto sums it all up pretty well today.

"The word "stimulus" having been discredited at a cost to the taxpayer of some $800 billion, the president will ask us to pony up yet-undermined hundreds of billions more for what are now called "targeted measures," which his erstwhile aide helpfully points out means the same thing as 'stimulus.'"

Barry's all out of bullets.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 01, 2011 11:36 AM (sbV1u)

So if Obama's economic plan is already solid enough that assface Jay Carney is able to speak knowledgeably* about it, why does Prezzy SCOAMFnoodle need to wait until next week to present it to the American people? Why does it require a joint session of Congress? Why can't he just present it from the Presidential podium (providing the Presidential Seal doesn't fall off again)?

Oh, that's right. Because Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure. I forgot.

_{*For a given value of "knowledge," where that value is equatable to the IQ of a turnip eaten by and then shat out of a pig.}

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at September 01, 2011 11:36 AM (4df7R)

63 42 Has anyone actually seen the plan yet or is it still vaporware?

Posted by: alexthechick at September 01, 2011 03:32 PM (VtjlW)

Its only Vaporware AFTER the production deadline... right now its 'in the development pipeline'... (boy, you'd never guess I used to work for a software development company... /smile).

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 01, 2011 11:37 AM (NtXW4)

64 55 CC,

absolutely, and I invite John Boner to go fu*k himself.

Posted by: Carney Son of Gibbs at September 01, 2011 11:37 AM (AEIYh)

65 Why is macroeconomics so hard?

Posted by: Christina 'The Hutt' Romer at September 01, 2011 11:37 AM (le5qc)

This was the moment when the rise of the unemployment began to slow and our economy began to heal. At least that's what our Top Men tell me.

Posted by: Jay "Baghdad" Carney at September 01, 2011 11:37 AM (QKKT0)

Posted by: sven10077 at September 01, 2011 11:37 AM (AEIYh)

68 Someone should put Carney's face on Gollum in a Photoshop to see how it looks.

It hurts us when you say the timing wasn't coincidental ... please don't tell anyone ... my job mewling lies for the President is precious to me ...

Posted by: Blacksheep at September 01, 2011 11:38 AM (8/DeP)

69 "So if I blow you, you'll call me your girlfriend?" "What I'm saying is, some friends of yours, especially the really naive ones, would predict that."

Posted by: Michael at September 01, 2011 11:38 AM (6WE8j)

70 So, just how large will the tax hike be and how much over a trillion dollars of stimulus. One wonders.

Posted by: ugknown at September 01, 2011 11:38 AM (fOPv7)

OT Insiders want Romney. ThatÂ’s good enough for me.

I saw that. I really like the spread on it.

Democrat insiders favor Romney 83-17.

Republican insiders favor Romney 69-31.

Sounds about right. Shmucks.

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2011 11:38 AM (IsLT6)

72 Sell! Sell! Sell!

Posted by: Jim "Mad Money" Cramer at September 01, 2011 11:38 AM (wAQA5)

73 Thursday night televised vaporware vapidware party vs. NFL

FIFY

Posted by: George Orwell at September 01, 2011 11:38 AM (AZGON)

Didn't H.W. Booooooooooooossssshhhhhhh...promise something similar.

And it worked!!!!

Posted by: dananjcon at September 01, 2011 11:39 AM (8ieXv)

75 High speed rail, green jobs, infrastructure investment, and a little magical dust.

Posted by: Barky O'Genius at September 01, 2011 11:39 AM (QKKT0)

76 62 Sean Bannion,

Barry had one bullet and a LOT of enabler making sure he got his shot....

I don't think the newsies credibility is gonna go up as they are forced kicking and screaming to report unemploment and inflation in the march on election day

Posted by: sven10077 at September 01, 2011 11:39 AM (AEIYh)

77 C'mon, Jay. Mention the anti-alien project. All economists agree that Keynes and alien defense are like peanut butter and jelly.

Posted by: Paul Krugman, Village Idiot Emeritus at September 01, 2011 11:39 AM (r4t7/)

78 I have my own jobs plan: I'm voting.

Posted by: t-bird at September 01, 2011 11:39 AM (FcR7P)

79 I didn't think they could find a bigger punk than Gibsy but they did.

Posted by: jukin at September 01, 2011 11:39 AM (vkkNZ)

80 This magical plan thing that Obama drew up all by himself will make the sun come up in the east tomorrow morning. He is that good.

Posted by: Marie at September 01, 2011 11:39 AM (H50jQ)

81 TRAINS!!!!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 01, 2011 11:39 AM (IpiZb)

82 Harry Potter: Facing this stuff in real life is not like school. In school, if you make a mistake, you can just try again tomorrow, but out there, when you're a second away from being murdered or watching a friend die right before your eyes, you don't know what that's like.

Posted by: blaster at September 01, 2011 11:39 AM (l5dj7)

83 Sexual analysts, sex therapists will be able to look at this series of arousals and say that 'based on sexual history, based on what we know, based on their collective expertise, that I will not cum in your mouth'.

Posted by: Ricky Perry's Magic Fucking Boot at September 01, 2011 11:40 AM (ZY+lZ)

84 Really freaky was pulling Little Willy out of Michelle last night and discovering it had a condom on it, when I don't remember slipping it on to begin with! It even had odd initials on it... WJC WTF??

Posted by: Barak Obama at September 01, 2011 11:40 AM (niZvt)

85 70 "So if I blow you, you'll call me your girlfriend?" "What I'm saying is, some friends of yours, especially the really naive ones, would predict that." Posted by: Michael at September 01, 2011 03:38 PM (6WE8j) Excellent summation. And, naturally, the WH press corps blew him.

Posted by: joncelli at September 01, 2011 11:40 AM (RD7QR)

86 The word "stimulus" having been discredited at a cost to the taxpayer of some $800 billion,

We checked a thesaurus. There are at least 14 words we can use instead.

Posted by: White House Brain Trust at September 01, 2011 11:40 AM (OK/vv)

Democrat insiders favor Romney 83-17.

Republican insiders favor Romney 69-31.

Look at those numbers and think about them for a moment and then tell me who scares the crap out of the Dems. It ain't Mitt.

Further, since "insiders" are doing just a fantastic effing job with the country, let's listen to them....even more.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at September 01, 2011 11:41 AM (B+qrE)

88 Someone should put Carney's face on Gollum in a Photoshop to see how it looks.

Looks no different.

Posted by: George Orwell at September 01, 2011 11:41 AM (AZGON)

89 Let a Thousand Solyndras Bloom!

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 01, 2011 11:41 AM (PLvLS)

90 To quote Tim Geithner who swears like a 7th grader, we're pretty darn fucked

Posted by: Christina 'The Hutt' Romer at September 01, 2011 11:42 AM (le5qc)

91
I'm guessing Obama will mention the "boom times" with Clinton, which will hurt Obama's pride.

But Obama needs to remind people of roaring 90's and the success of a Democrat in the White House.

Posted by: Soothsayer at September 01, 2011 11:42 AM (sqkOB)

Jay Carney, a junior member of the SCOAMF Club...

They have slumber parties and practice the secret handshake.

Posted by: Marie at September 01, 2011 11:42 AM (H50jQ)

93 Heretohenceforthwith, I am requiring all cities larger than Green Bay, Wisconsin to have an NFL franchise and build a stadium. You're welcome.

Posted by: Barry O'Scoamf at September 01, 2011 11:42 AM (FcR7P)

94 Back off everyone! Remember, we're trying really really hard here.

Posted by: Jay Con' Carney at September 01, 2011 11:42 AM (MXno5)

And based upon prior assumptions and models that caused them to project 1.4 Keynesian multipliers and sub-8% unemployment.

These are same types of assumptions and models that gave us warms globes.

Posted by: dananjcon at September 01, 2011 11:42 AM (8ieXv)

96 Blundering Bluffy can't muster up the foreign donors after sending in the hounds on Gadaffi, his major international '08 bundler. The vaporware carnival act might play as a telethon. Call TOTUS with your job openings and TOTUS will fill the job placement with a needy union thug.

/Gibson guitars aren't built by union employees, are they? No wonder the Madagascar labor endorsement from Obama.

Posted by: maverick muse at September 01, 2011 11:42 AM (lpWVn)

97 Where we're coming down is we currently have $787 billion of stimulus that's been passed. We're certainly focusing on spending that money as quickly and as efficiently and as transparently as we can. We think that's absolutely the right strategy.

Posted by: Christina 'The Hutt' Romer at September 01, 2011 11:43 AM (le5qc)

98 **But Obama needs to remind people of roaring 90's and the success of a Democrat in the White House.** when a Republican Speaker of the House saved the president's bacon by forcing him to balance the budget and cut welfare, among other things.

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 01, 2011 11:43 AM (QxSug)

99 /How's Nevada feeling after re-electing job/industry destroyer Reid? Posted by: maverick muse at September 01, 2011 03:32 PM (lpWVn) I feel horrible, especially since the media convinced me he was dead in the water. Even so, I walked over two miles to my polling place to vote him out of office. Didn't work. There is a huge section of land for seniors; a retirement community, if you are well-off. Miles and miles of street lights suddenly became eco-friendly, street light-bulbs changed to more of the subtle hue to save energy. You can't see your hand before your face at night. How is that for old people. Welcome the lawyers.

Posted by: Moniker at September 01, 2011 11:43 AM (TN7KL)

100

550,000,000

x 1,000

__________

OMG!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 01, 2011 11:43 AM (IpiZb)

101 I was told I would get to ride on the fire truck !

Posted by: Joe Biden's Hair Plugs at September 01, 2011 11:43 AM (ih+cL)

102 I guess I'm an insider. I've decided I'm back to Romney.

Posted by: polynikes Texan for Romney at September 01, 2011 11:43 AM (s0uvO)

103 I think where I differ a little bit, we absolutely have to think about the deficit looking down the road. And certainly that's something the president has said that we need to, as the economy recovers, have a plan in place for getting it down.

Posted by: Christina 'The Hutt' Romer at September 01, 2011 11:43 AM (le5qc)

104

Its only Vaporware AFTER the production deadline... right now its 'in the development pipeline'...

There's a part of me that wants someone from the press to yell at the SCOAMF, c'mon man, even Duke Nukem Forever finally got released!

Posted by: alexthechick at September 01, 2011 11:44 AM (VtjlW)

105

Let a Thousand Solyndras Bloom!

Just once I want the RNC to do actually point out JEF's BS.

I want to see an ad that takes JEFs statements and then lays them against how his ideas actually work in the real world. Namely, that they don't.

And Solyandra is the place to start. There are at least another dozen examples.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 01, 2011 11:44 AM (sbV1u)

106 If you look at the studies coming out of the Congressional Budget Office, the number one thing that's going to blow a hole in the deficit as we go forward 20, 30 years is government spending on healthcare.

Posted by: Christina 'The Hutt' Romer at September 01, 2011 11:44 AM (le5qc)

107 92 Soothsayer,

heh "good luck" then Boner can rightly point out "that surplus was a deal between us and Bill champ with us writing the budget....we cut welfare as we knew it and all that....want to ride again?"

yeah Barry is in a corner on the economy fellas...he will have almost outspent Bush's 6 Republican years by election day

Posted by: sven10077 at September 01, 2011 11:45 AM (AEIYh)

108 You know, I think the, the crucial thing, you know, we have put in place what is, is just simply the biggest, boldest recovery package in history, right; the stimulus package, biggest ever; the financial rescue, absolutely comprehensive; a housing plan - that is incredible medicine for the economy. And we fully expect it to work.

Posted by: Christina 'The Hutt' Romer at September 01, 2011 11:45 AM (le5qc)

109 I'm liking Mexican real estate right about now.

Posted by: Jim "Mad Money" Cramer at September 01, 2011 11:45 AM (wAQA5)

110 I thought I saw the jobs plan hovering over Phoenix but the Air Force said it was a weather balloon.

Posted by: joncelli at September 01, 2011 11:45 AM (RD7QR)

111 >>OT Insiders want Romney. ThatÂ’s good enough for me. >>Perry it is. Actually, that's not what the poll said at all. They were asked which one they thought would be the better general election candidate to go up against Obama. Even if I buy the idea, which I don't, that the Dems are so terrified of Perry that they went for Romney to give everyone a head fake, how do you explain the Republicans going for Romney? Shouldn't they be going for Perry to fool the Dems?

Posted by: JackStraw at September 01, 2011 11:45 AM (TMB3S)

112 A physicist, a chemical engineer, and an economist are stuck on a desert island with a boat full of canned food but no way to open the cans. Each of the three takes a turn proposing ways to open the cans.

The physicist speaks first and proposes that one of them climb the palm tree and drop a can onto a flat rock and hopefully the force of the impact will be enough to break the seal on one end of the can and let them get at the food.

The chemist points out that the seawater is highly corrosive and that they can expose the cans to seawater to weaken the metal and allow them to open the cans.

The economist sighs at the other two and says, "First, assume a can opener."

Posted by: Komissar Vladimir at September 01, 2011 11:45 AM (mt3j2)

113 99 EXACTLY...what he will be doing is saying "Fire reid as President Pro tem"

"good luck mules"

Posted by: sven10077 at September 01, 2011 11:45 AM (AEIYh)

114
I'm gonna be pushing hard for green jobs.

So I'm going golfing.

And by golfing, people will be put to work maintaining the greens that I'll be playing on.

Fore More Years!

Posted by: BHO, II, SCoaMF at September 01, 2011 11:47 AM (CVNNV)

115 TRAINS!!!!!!!!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 01, 2011 03:39 PM (IpiZb)

If we see, during Dick's speech, Sheriff Joe in the background jumping up and down, clapping his hands, we know this will be part of the plan.

Posted by: Jay Con' Carney at September 01, 2011 11:47 AM (MXno5)

116 Has anyone actually seen the plan yet or is it still vaporware? As soon as King Putt gets off the pot, we'll get a clean look.

Posted by: Fresh Air at September 01, 2011 11:48 AM (1BXUr)

117 'blowjob program'. heh. bet carney's knees and jaw are sore.

Posted by: whiskey tango at September 01, 2011 11:49 AM (L+yoj)

118 Posted by: Christina 'The Hutt' Romer at September 01 , 2011 03:45 PM (le5qc) Didn't she admit we are fucked after all? It is funny how they all get out there in front of the cameras with smiley faces while they've got a job. (I guess I would too, if someone was paying me).

Posted by: Moniker at September 01, 2011 11:49 AM (TN7KL)

119 Unemployment is clearly RACIST!!!!

Posted by: jukin at September 01, 2011 11:49 AM (vkkNZ)

120

Posted by: Downscaled Upscale at September 01, 2011 03:48 PM (IhHdM)

I think your "Step 5" is going to actually turn out to be "Step 2"

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 01, 2011 11:49 AM (sbV1u)

121 Who likes football ?

Posted by: John Boehner's Testes at September 01, 2011 11:49 AM (ih+cL)

122

QUESTION: If Congress were to pass the package that the President's going to announce, unemployment would be under 9%?

CARNEY: Some top Administration officials and I recently met with the year 2009, who would like to remind the American people of a very important aspect regarding President Obama: "At least he's trying."

Posted by: FireHorse at September 01, 2011 11:49 AM (RZRz9)

123 Jay Carney, a junior member of the SCOAMF Club...
---
They have slumber parties and practice the secret handshake.

"...Yet the behavior of the accused was odd. The charges were that during their initiation rites the SCOAMFs denied the Constitution three times, spat on the commemorative Obama Plate, and were stripped and kissed in posteriori parte spine dorsi, in other words, on the behind, then on the navel and the mouth, in humane dignitatis opprobrium. That they then engaged in mutual fornication. That they were then shown the head of a bearded Janet Napolitano, which they had to worship. Now, how did the accused respond to these charges? Austen de Goolsbee, who was later burned at the stake with Kreuger, said that, yes, it had happened to him; he had denied COTUS, but with his mouth, not his heart; he didn't recall whether he spat on the Obama, because they had been in such a hurry that night."

--Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Stimulum"

Posted by: George Orwell at September 01, 2011 11:50 AM (AZGON)

124 Fore More Years!
BHO, II, SCoaMF

We have a winner!

Posted by: maverick muse at September 01, 2011 11:50 AM (lpWVn)

125

This guy obviously learned to lie so blatantly being a member of the fucked up parasite media.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at September 01, 2011 11:53 AM (tcSZb)

126 Sock fail....as usual

Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 01, 2011 11:54 AM (MXno5)

127

Even if I buy the idea, which I don't, that the Dems are so terrified of Perry that they went for Romney to give everyone a head fake, how do you explain the Republicans going for Romney?

You really need an explanation?

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2011 11:55 AM (IsLT6)

128

Further, since "insiders" are doing just a fantastic effing job with the country, let's listen to them....even more.

My sentitments exactly. This poll is asking the opinions of the fucktards who spent us a hundred trillion in debt and just got us downgraded to AA because they still can't make real cuts.

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2011 11:58 AM (IsLT6)

129 After all the buildup, this new plan better be able to make me breakfast in the mornings.

Coffee with cream, no sugar.

Posted by: toby928™ at September 01, 2011 11:59 AM (GTbGH)

130 how do you explain the Republicans going for Romney?

The same reason the establishment GOP liked Landslide McCain. It was his turn.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at September 01, 2011 12:00 PM (PLvLS)

131

'based on history, based on what we know, based on their collective expertise, that it would add to economic growth and cause an increase to job creation.

Based on stuff that we pretend will work but in reality only makes the problem worse

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 01, 2011 12:00 PM (1Jaio)

132 >>You really need an explanation? Yes. That's why I asked. Try not to give the usual "They are terrified that when Rick Perry comes to town they will all be out of jobs". It doesn't pass the laugh test and makes no sense. Two opposing groups were asked who would be the best person to go up against Obama in the general election. They both came up with the same response for the simple reason its true.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 01, 2011 12:01 PM (TMB3S)

133 --Umberto Eco, "Foucault's Stimulum"

Very nice.

Posted by: that guy that compliments other's obscure cultural references at September 01, 2011 12:01 PM (GTbGH)

134 Based on, when you're talking about economic predictions, yes. Economic analysts, economists will be able to look at this series of proposals and say that 'based on history, based on what we know, based on their collective expertise, that it would add to economic growth and cause an increase to job creation.'

I'd also like to add that I suck at math, so the growth could be much, much higher. Maybe 3,000%.

Posted by: Carney Jay at September 01, 2011 12:04 PM (r4t7/)

135 No one believes the "White House Insider" --most likely because whoever writes this stuff comes off wrong---worse than bad Hollywood script--still, you stay for the gore and action. And this is where I keep standing; Although horrific in nonsense conversation pieces, everything else rings a bell. Is this deliberate?

Posted by: Moniker at September 01, 2011 12:05 PM (TN7KL)

136

Yes. That's why I asked.

Try not to give the usual "They are terrified that when Rick Perry comes to town they will all be out of jobs". It doesn't pass the laugh test and makes no sense.

I reiterate, this poll is asking the opinions of the fucktards who spent us a hundred trillion in debt and just got us downgraded to AA because they still can't make real cuts.

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2011 12:08 PM (IsLT6)

137 I don't posit that they're lying, I posit that're fucking morons.

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2011 12:08 PM (IsLT6)

138 So, basically, Carney's projecting at least 0.2% of people will leave the workforce?

Posted by: Jarrod at September 01, 2011 12:08 PM (obgI7)

139

The same reason the establishment GOP liked Landslide McCain. It was his turn.

Bob Dole thinks Romney is the best candidate.

Posted by: Bob Dole at September 01, 2011 12:10 PM (IsLT6)

140 >>I reiterate, this poll is asking the opinions of the fucktards who spent us a hundred trillion in debt and just got us downgraded to AA because they still can't make real cuts. No it's not. It is what it says it is. A poll of political consultants, operatives, strategists and lobbyists, not politicians. In other words, people who get paid to work on political campaigns. What are the only good political operatives the ones who work on the campaigns of the candidates you like?

Posted by: JackStraw at September 01, 2011 12:11 PM (TMB3S)

141 123 Who likes football ? Posted by: John Boehner's Testes at September 01, 2011 03:49 PM (ih+cL) I suppose I did at sometime. I scoffed at my father-in-law, who only cared for college football. I now see the difference. Father-in-law is now living happily in upper 90's.

Posted by: Moniker at September 01, 2011 12:12 PM (TN7KL)

142 Good question from Ed Henry of Fox:

ED HENRY, FOX News: "Why doesn't he give a speech from the oval office tonight saying here's my plan?"

CARNEY: "He wants to speak before Congress because he recognizes that while there are things he can do without Congress, and he will do them, there are actions that need to be taken with Congress that require legislation to grow the economy and create jobs. And he wants to go to Congress, speak directly to members of Congress, and layout his proposals."

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 01, 2011 12:12 PM (o2lIv)

143

No it's not. It is what it says it is. A poll of political consultants, operatives, strategists and lobbyists

I'm sorry do you think politicians write those bills?

They're like 4000 pages long. You couldn't get most politicians to read Dr. Seuss... unless it was to a room full of children.

All Smiley Gladhands does is smile pretty for the cameras and repeat the talking points.

Hell, I'd try to guess how many of those senators are actually senile but I'd depress myself.

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2011 12:15 PM (IsLT6)

144 Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 01, 2011 04:12 PM (o2lIv) Well there you go.

Posted by: Moniker at September 01, 2011 12:16 PM (TN7KL)

145 >>They're like 4000 pages long. You couldn't get most politicians to read Dr. Seuss... unless it was to a room full of children. So your belief is that politicians have no idea of the concepts on which their staffs are helping write legislation? If so, why vote for any of them or hold any of them responsible for their records? But again, that's not really relevant as they people are campaign operatives, not legislative aides.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 01, 2011 12:18 PM (TMB3S)

146

What are the only good political operatives the ones who work on the campaigns of the candidates you like?

No, they're mostly all shitheads.

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2011 12:18 PM (IsLT6)

147

So your belief is that politicians have no idea of the concepts on which their staffs are helping write legislation?

Um... yeah. Definetly. I'm sure the dilligent ones think they know what they're talking about...

Mind you, a lot of those staffers (the one's writing the bills) don't know anything about them either.

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2011 12:20 PM (IsLT6)

148

Why don't we poll the insiders on Global Warming?

My money says the D/R spread stays the same.

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2011 12:23 PM (IsLT6)

149 All those believe Baghdad Bob Carney, raise your hands. Anybody?

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit who thinks Obama is a SCOAMF at September 01, 2011 12:28 PM (mJznp)

150 >>Why don't we poll the insiders on Global Warming? >>My money says the D/R spread stays the same. I don't know if climate scientists have campaign operatives but if they do you may be right. But in this case campaign operatives from both sides of the aisle were asked to handicap the two leading Republicans in the general election. They overwhelmingly chose Romney. That's what this poll was all about.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 01, 2011 12:30 PM (TMB3S)

151

Let's take a deeper look at our lovely insiders.

Who's leading the republican field, insiders (August 4th)?

Candidate and Rank: 3. Pawlenty

Candidate and Rank: 4. Bachmann

Candidate and Rank: 5. Huntsman

Brilliant. Very prescient. Good job, insiders.

Say insiders, who do you think is going to benefit from the debt ceiling debate?

Barack Obama: 77%

I see why you guys get paid big bucks! It really payed off for him.

Who's gonna win the nomination, do you think? (Jul 2nd)

Candidate and Rank: 2. Tim Pawlenty
Candidate and Rank: 3. Jon Huntsman

Again... WTF... do they have a crystal ball?

Guess who #1 is.

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2011 12:38 PM (IsLT6)

152 Remember when 5.7% was Deperssion level unemployment under Booosh? Good times.

Posted by: Schwalbe : The © at September 01, 2011 12:41 PM (UU0OF)

153

And that's really the crux of it.

Political insiders go for Romney for the same reason they disproportionately went for Pawlenty and Huntsman.

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2011 12:42 PM (IsLT6)

154

Leftism is a severe mental disorder.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at September 01, 2011 12:43 PM (f8XyF)

155 JackStraw: "That's what this poll was all about."

There's more to it than that though measuring it tangibly would be tough. These insiders have their own wishcasting going on as does everyone. I do not believe they, as a group, made their choices purely objectively. Some have a vested interest in perpetuating the "moderate," bigger government status quo and vote accordingly. If you look at the names of those polled, they've been in the D.C. cesspool for eons. It's their livelihood and domain. Government (and its manipulation) is their life.

So, with that as a given, they'd be more inclined as a population to select the least "outside" entity that might hint at changing their environment. I'm not saying Perry is the outsider, but compared to Romney, he is (or is perceived to be).

Now, I'm biased against moderates and for conservatives. It's obvious and clear; but I don't have a dog in the hunt other than a voting preference. I gain no direct bounty for my position and endorsement. These insiders, however, do. They are the machine. Clearly it would impact their selection bias and it could be most readily perpetuated by releasing these endless polls determining who is the "best" candidate. They're vested in D.C. and in its trains of thought. The threat of losing status and connections surely impacts their votes.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 01, 2011 12:49 PM (r4t7/)

156

These insiders have their own wishcasting going on as does everyone.

Damn straight. The bias is inescapable. You really may as well be asking who they'd vote for if they voted right now - the answer will be 80%+ the same.

Which, again - the spread is interesting.

The GOP insiders are a bunch of democrats.

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2011 12:53 PM (IsLT6)

157 158 entropy,

What gave you the first clue pilgrim?

//Juan Reacharound Across the Aisle McCain 'the only guy who might win'

Posted by: sven10077 at September 01, 2011 12:54 PM (AEIYh)

158

Know who I think is most electable? Rick Perry!

Guess which way my support is leaning? Go on, guess. Bet you'll never guess! I'll give you 10 tries, just in case you're a political insider and your first 7 are all John Huntsman.

Posted by: Entropy at September 01, 2011 12:59 PM (IsLT6)

159 Entropy: "The GOP insiders are a bunch of democrats."

By and large, and tragically, I believe that's true. This nation has been shifting Left for a long time. There are very few "conservatives," and they are a reflection of the voters. Americans say they're center-Right, but they really don't practice it. We fundamentally believe in the theory of center-Rightism because it makes sense, but actual practice of it is lacking. Now, which came first: the Progressive politicians or the progressive voters? I dunno, but conservatives are going to have to gain more traction and argue the fallacy that we're "too radical." I'd point to Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell as a modern starter set for understanding common sense. I just don't believe enough Americans have attention spans longer than a flea's.

Which explains our Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 01, 2011 01:05 PM (r4t7/)

160 Getting the unemployment rate below 9% would be simple if he would just STOP D!CKING AROUND WITH EVERYTHING! Without all the FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) caused by hyper-regulation, new entitlements, and constant talk of new taxes, the economy would be in a full-blown recovery by now. But he doesn't believe in the invisible hand and therefore thinks the government MUST do something. Of course, his failure to date means that politically he actually does need to be seen doing something and reversing course is unthinkable.

Posted by: Formerly known as Skeptic at September 01, 2011 01:25 PM (91XRk)

161 I'm waiting for Plan Nine. It has something to do with reanimation of the dead.

Posted by: Dee Dee Ramone at September 01, 2011 01:46 PM (UdPlZ)

162 Economic analysts, economists will be able to look at this series of proposals and say that 'based on history, based on what we know, based on their collective expertise, that it would add to economic growth and cause an increase to job creation.

Can we see the phony-ass chart for this one?

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