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September 06, 2011

Carson City Update: Were National Guardsmen Deliberately Targeted?
— Ace

Now a third National Guardsman, in uniform, has died from gunshot wounds.

Could that be random chance, or was the gunman targeting uniformed Americans?

The gunman was a Mexican national with, they're saying, a valid US passport.

Posted by: Ace at 08:34 PM | Comments (88)
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1 Will they cover it up?

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 06, 2011 08:36 PM (bAL0J)

2 I was kinda hoping for a late-night Ace post in ref: the Soulja Boy hullaballoo.

Posted by: Mister Christopher at September 06, 2011 08:38 PM (cjGZv)

3 I've been wondering the same thing all afternoon.... and yes, the MFM will downplay ANY type of hint of targeting guardsmen ..... I am cynical... they can't play into the Tea Party hatred of mexicans you know...

Posted by: Yoda at September 06, 2011 08:39 PM (Sh+fu)

4 Good one Yoda... sock off

Posted by: yip in Texas at September 06, 2011 08:39 PM (Sh+fu)

5 Was the shooter a member of that gang that got a lot of guns from Operation Gunwalker? I was wondering if those guys might be part of Obama's civilian federal police force.

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at September 06, 2011 08:39 PM (dbYHP)

6 Over/Under on time it takes to blame Jan Brewer...

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 06, 2011 08:48 PM (nRTou)

7 I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the tea party member Mexican National accidentally hit uniformed National Guard members.He's was probably protesting IHOP because it served high calorie food....

Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at September 06, 2011 08:48 PM (zgEs1)

8 Nothing to see here...

Posted by: Mjim at September 06, 2011 08:48 PM (rN9Na)

9 Move along..

Posted by: Mjim at September 06, 2011 08:50 PM (rN9Na)

10 Don't make me get out the nightstick.

Posted by: Mjim at September 06, 2011 08:50 PM (rN9Na)

maybe he got tired of picking texas fruit....thanks alot perry

SARAH PALIN RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i keed, i keed

Posted by: navycopjoe aka Palinista Extremo at September 06, 2011 08:50 PM (R7NIt)

12 That's it... I'm pulling out the flashlight.

Posted by: Mjim at September 06, 2011 08:50 PM (rN9Na)

13 From what I heard on the news, a. the shooter was shooting from the parking lot b. He shot at least 3 storefronts (including ihop) and a random guy on a motorcycle. c. The ANG guys were way in the back of the IHOP. Could the shooter even have SEEN them? Daylight outside, ANG in the back of a dark IHOP. I think he was just shooting all over the place and there was a unfortunate cluster of hits where the ANG were eating. If he were targetting the ANG guys then why shoot the other locations? Why not enter the IHOP and up the kill count.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at September 06, 2011 08:51 PM (5Z/+/)

14 Do you have ID?

Posted by: Mjim at September 06, 2011 08:51 PM (rN9Na)

15 Just wait until they check the murder weapon and discover that it was from GunWalker . . .

Posted by: Sharkman at September 06, 2011 08:51 PM (wMsKw)

16 "And if Latinos sit out the election instead of saying, we're gonna punish our enemies and we're gonna reward our friends"

Obama.

Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 06, 2011 08:52 PM (bAL0J)

17 .......... Tear.. Gas......... sssssssss.. ......

Posted by: Mjim at September 06, 2011 08:54 PM (rN9Na)

18 I'm too sexy for this thread.

Posted by: Mister Christopher at September 06, 2011 08:54 PM (cjGZv)

19 You will be contacted...

Posted by: Big Sis at September 06, 2011 08:55 PM (rN9Na)

20 No... NO... I said Fresh and Fruity! not Fresh and SHOOTY!!!!

Posted by: IHOP Manager at September 06, 2011 08:55 PM (NtXW4)

21 I did hear the Sheriff of CC say they haven't determined any targeting as of yet or some such.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at September 06, 2011 08:57 PM (PK7oq)

22 Maybe it's payback for gunwalker?

Maybe someone should Carney

Posted by: Lord Monochromicorn at September 06, 2011 08:59 PM (ETPEo)

23 #13... Wrong... He entered the Restaurant and walked to the back where he opened fire..

Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at September 06, 2011 09:00 PM (zgEs1)

24 They're already covering this, saying the family hinted at mental issues. I feel like I used to feel when Jimmy Carter was President. I'm not trying to be funny, either.

Posted by: Cynthia at September 06, 2011 09:01 PM (lhhNH)

25 Just no reason for someone with "mental issues" to be out and about. Did his family not care what danger he was to the public? sheesh.. just sickening.

Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at September 06, 2011 09:02 PM (UrPTC)

26 No... NO... I said Fresh and Fruity! not Fresh and SHOOTY!!!!

Heh. IHOP humor. Good one.

Posted by: Mister Christopher at September 06, 2011 09:03 PM (cjGZv)

27 I feel like I used to feel when Jimmy Carter was President.

aaaahhhh... whence I came into the world.

Posted by: Mjim at September 06, 2011 09:04 PM (rN9Na)

28 A guest worker taking a job a black Moslem should be doing.

Posted by: lou farrakhan at September 06, 2011 09:05 PM (Ou4YC)

I am an Air Guardsman. Are we going to have to carry weapons in the 'hood too? O/S is one thing, but in to the hood too? That's quite another. It aint safe anywhere, it seems.

Posted by: Forrest Gump is a Perry guy at September 06, 2011 09:07 PM (oCMdU)

30 Is this a Palinista sanctuary thread? I only ask because those people rival only Paulbots in their intellectual gymnastics and blind loyalty...

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 06, 2011 09:07 PM (nRTou)

31 The Carney-ige is appalling. Some Obot humor for ya!

Posted by: Forrest Gump is a Perry guy at September 06, 2011 09:10 PM (oCMdU)

32 Johnny the Douche

Posted by: cherry π at September 06, 2011 09:11 PM (OhYCU)

33 HASTA LA VISTA, WARMONGERS !!!

Posted by: Dr AMY Bishop at September 06, 2011 09:12 PM (Y+DPZ)

34
If those guardsmen just handed over a booster seat, none of this would have ever happened!!!!!!

Posted by: DR. AMY BISHOP!!! at September 06, 2011 09:14 PM (R6j6q)

35 I wanted breakfast, dammit !!!!

Posted by: Bill "D-Fense" Foster at September 06, 2011 09:14 PM (Y+DPZ)

36 I feel like I used to feel when Jimmy Carter was President. I'm not trying to be funny, either.

Posted by: Cynthia at September 07, 2011 01:01 AM (lhhNH)

LOL... you have no idea... I recently moved back to my home town, to take care of my Mom... so... same house, same town, Inflation the same, gas through the roof, bad unemployment... Only difference is I'm not breaking out and its my Son who joined the Navy, not me.... /smile

Posted by: IHOP Manager at September 06, 2011 09:15 PM (NtXW4)

37 This is racism, straight up.

^{(too early?)}

Seriously, my deepest sympathies go out to the families affected. Per the MM link, the dead perp is Mexican born (with a US passport) and was drawing SSDI. I'm hoping someone will eventually explain how this is possible.

Sometimes it seems like everyone in the US is drawing a government check but me. Damn I'm dumb.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 06, 2011 09:15 PM (ENKCw)

38 Mexican-born with a Â“valid U.S. passportÂ” $923 in disability income, mostly from Social Security. Do those 2 things go together?

Posted by: cherry π at September 06, 2011 09:16 PM (OhYCU)

39 Just no reason for someone with "mental issues" to be out and about. its nearly impossible to put them away anymore, or make them take their meds. there is a big problem with an off his meds paranoid schizophrenic who died in after tangling with police in irvine. the guy was so violent, his mother took out a restraining order against him after he beat her up. but, that did not get him committed and he did not have to take meds.

Posted by: bebe's boobs destroy at September 06, 2011 09:17 PM (8S7ak)

In your face, Ron!

http://tinyurl.com/43rljlc

Posted by: Forrest Gump is a Perry guy at September 06, 2011 09:17 PM (oCMdU)

41 All joking aside, prayers for the fallen and their families...

Posted by: The terrorist Hobbit formerly known as Donna at September 06, 2011 09:18 PM (zgEs1)

42 "Living in the shadows" drove him to mass murder.

Posted by: MSM Narrative Generator at September 06, 2011 09:18 PM (FUEui)

39Just no reason for someone with "mental issues" to be out and about.

its nearly impossible to put them away anymore, or make them take their meds. there is a big problem with an off his meds paranoid schizophrenic who died in after tangling with police in irvine. the guy was so violent, his mother took out a restraining order against him after he beat her up. but, that did not get him committed and he did not have to take meds.

I blames the ACLU.

Posted by: Forrest Gump is a Perry guy at September 06, 2011 09:18 PM (oCMdU)

44 How do you file for bankruptcy when YOU ARE NOT A FREAKING CITIZEN?

Posted by: cherry π at September 06, 2011 09:18 PM (OhYCU)

45 He was tired of picking grapes

Posted by: cherry π at September 06, 2011 09:19 PM (OhYCU)

46 The gunwalker comment is priceless. But I will have to see more. I don't want to pull a reverse Gabby Giffords.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 06, 2011 09:21 PM (ZDUD4)

47
Don't be too mad at us.

We're just doing the mass murdering that American's won't do.

Posted by: Mexican nationals who go on shooting rampages at September 06, 2011 09:21 PM (R6j6q)

Paper trail on this could be the straw the finally broke the camels back...

If our Government will not enforce our own laws, and allow those who should not be here, not only to stay, but benefits from the taxpayer?

At least Obama's illegal Aunt, who was living on the Governments dime, did not kill anyone... like Obama's Drunk driving Uncle could have, and this guy apparently did....

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 06, 2011 09:22 PM (NtXW4)

Didn't Obama tell Hispanics to "punish our enemies"?

Case closed: Obama's fault

Posted by: Jingo at September 06, 2011 09:23 PM (mdwWR)

47 Mexican nationals who go on shooting rampages...

You mad, bro?

Posted by: Forrest Gump is a Perry guy at September 06, 2011 09:23 PM (oCMdU)

51 Hey... I like joking as much as almost anyone, but really, unless trolls are out... I don't feel like joking about guardsmen and innocents being murdered.

The left will scream gun-control and assault weapons ban and those of us conservatives should ask, how the hell did a mentally strange non-citizen get weapons; did his family that thought he was so nice know that he had weapons? Why was this guy on disability?

Makes me crazy...

Posted by: yip in Texas at September 06, 2011 09:24 PM (Sh+fu)

52 49, Hmm, good point. Funny how flippancy from the leader of the free world used to be frowned upon. Now it's talking points.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 06, 2011 09:25 PM (ZDUD4)

53 How do you file for bankruptcy when YOU ARE NOT A FREAKING CITIZEN?

Er, maybe I'm mistaken but doesn't having a US passport mean you hold US citizenship? And yes, some people hold more than one passport and are dual citizens.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 06, 2011 09:25 PM (ENKCw)

54 God look after those kids. Open Carry, Conceal Carry, illegal carry, whatever. if you don't have one, you better get one because this shit just started.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 06, 2011 09:29 PM (ZDUD4)

55 I'm hoping someone will eventually explain how this is possible. Posted by: GnuBreed at September 07, 2011 01:15 AM (ENKCw) Social. Justice.

Posted by: Ann d'Mestik at September 06, 2011 09:37 PM (RbhQ8)

56 It could have been an Irish gunman or a Polish gunman or an Iroquois gunman or a Sumerian gunman!

Posted by: Geraldo Rivera at September 06, 2011 09:38 PM (TUax9)

I have no idea how "a Mexican national" could have "a valid US passport."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have to be a US citizen to get a US passport?

Posted by: Jingo at September 06, 2011 09:39 PM (mdwWR)

58 A valid passport means he's a US citizen, no? Did they just mean he was born in Mexico but has been naturalized...? And, to be honest, first i want to know what religion the perp is, then what nationality...IYKWIMAITYD. What's "Allahu Ackbar" (spit) in Spanish?

Posted by: Pol Vaulter at September 06, 2011 09:42 PM (qBeo/)

We give out passports to loons? No kind of background check? This is beyond stupid.

What kind of government are we running here? Is it soooo important to be politically correct that we must take in other countries shit-stains and let them murder our people? I guess asshole Reid has no problem with this.

Posted by: Case at September 06, 2011 09:45 PM (DYR2Q)

60 15 Just wait until they check the murder weapon and discover that it was from GunWalker . . . Posted by: Sharkman at September 07, 2011 12:51 AM (wMsKw) Oh, they would cover that up so deep even J. Edgar couldn't find it with the help of Sherlock Holmes.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 06, 2011 09:52 PM (bxiXv)

30 Is this a Palinista sanctuary thread?

ummmm, read my name pls

Posted by: navycopjoe aka Palinista Extremo at September 06, 2011 09:55 PM (R7NIt)

62 Last week USA Today had a front page story about the rising number of ambush shootings of law enforcment officers. The two examples they mentioned in the first pargraphs were shootings of officers with "AK-47"s in San Diego and Houston. Had to wonder about the likely hood of these being tied to Fast and Furious.

Posted by: Have Blue at September 06, 2011 10:18 PM (IKTC8)

63 The two examples they mentioned in the first paragraphs were shootings of officers with "AK-47"s in San Diego and Houston.

Have Blue, this is very misleading reporting. An actual AK-47 is a fully automatic military weapon which many people have seen fired in action movies. They are not sold in the US without special purchaser licenses; i.e, regular gun customers cannot buy full auto weapons. These are AK-47 'style' weapons in semi-auto mode only that they are describing.

Second, the deaths of police officers have been fairly static over the past several years. Yes it is a risky job, but driving a cab is much more dangerous -- 4 to 6 times more deadly from a homicide standpoint.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 06, 2011 10:40 PM (ENKCw)

64 Inside scuttlebutt indicates a very strong belief that the victims were deliberately targeted. Shooter was a regular at that particular IHOP, as were most of the victims.

In answer to Comrade Arthur's "news" facts, the gunman came back outside, got into his vehicle, and then drove in circles shooting seemingly at random before he shot himself.

Posted by: Sgt. York at September 06, 2011 11:27 PM (fhLYa)

65 Several reports indicate he had no criminal record, and none of the many reports says otherwise. The most that is said on the 'mental illness' front is that the the police said they'd had contact with someone or some people who claim to know him who suggested it as a possibility. So it could easily turn out to mean something like 'recent erratic behavior' - not enough to justify speculating about him 'going off his meds' or blaming some institution for releasing him, or even justifying taking away his sporting firearm (Hell, 'recent erratic behavior' probably fits a number of folks on this blog.). The picture is a guy with an AK-47 - a serious gun, so a serious gun owner - seeing some people going into an IHOP who were members of the larger group about whom he'd been doing a lot of irrational thinking, getting his AK-47 out of his minivan (minivan - hmmm: there was a recent thread here with multifarious reader comments on how that's a weenie loser vehicle only driven by weenie losers), heading toward the IHOP, on the way shooting someone on a motorcycle, then going into the IHOP a shooting almost a dozen inside, with an unlikely coincidentally large percent of them being National Guards, suggesting an intention to act on thoughts he'd been having. This report: http://tinyurl.com/4yj4sor says he drove to the IHOP in a van with a Support Our Troops ribbon decal on it. As long as we're going with conjecture, that's entirely consistent with that recent erratic behavior the police are going to be looking into having settled around some resentment, justified or not, rational or not - say, for inability to either get into or continue towards a National Guard position due to injury or odd thought patterns or both. Several reports indicate that for several years he'd had an injury that resulted in physical disability, which alone would be more than enough to get him disqualified from National Guard service. The most common type of injury to be under-diagnosed in car and motor cycle accidents is head trauma, in which the signs of a traumatic brain injury very often don't show up for months, sometimes years. Finally, "Mexican born" is not the same as "Mexican national"; the reports all say he had a U.S. passport, which suggests U.S. citizen.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at September 07, 2011 12:09 AM (vahvH)

66 Reflexively reaching for "Fast and Furious" and "targeting those in uniform" is commentary on the impoverishment of understanding in some as to what it means to live in a country with over 300 million people and almost as many guns (223 million in 1995 is the most recent stat I found). 300 million people means 300 million individual life stories, each of them unique and for the most part totally unknown to the rest of us.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at September 07, 2011 12:22 AM (vahvH)

67 i used to be agnostic, but now, thanks to Rex, i wonder how g*d could be so fing dumb.

thanks for solving one problem, only to create another.

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 07, 2011 12:29 AM (d1FhN)

68 Hundreds of millions guns, and the most conspicuous targets - service members in uniform - are always unarmed. Not by law, but by policy. Seems like a simple fix.

Posted by: Jean at September 07, 2011 01:15 AM (X6eYN)

69 >>Seems like a simple fix.

Not while the JEF has his feet on the desk.

Posted by: sTevo at September 07, 2011 02:22 AM (VMcEw)

70 US passports can be issued to non citizen US nationals....

http://preview.tinyurl.com/3v2mmz9

the above link has a picture of the Charmer....

you'll know by the end of the day whether he was a citizen or not or at least claimed to be by his I-9 data at the job....

Posted by: sven10077 at September 07, 2011 02:57 AM (AEIYh)

71 68 Jean,

it really is galling....

the military are the best trained shooters in the country pound for pound and thanks to our modern RoE have better trigger discipline than some Law Enforcement....

yet the Brady Bunch uses political pressure to keep them unarmed....

so the Muslim Shrink and the mexican produce guy get to play fish in a barrel with people who could have put them down in a minute.....

unreal

Posted by: sven10077 at September 07, 2011 02:59 AM (AEIYh)

72 66 rex the wonder God.....

of course the idiot mules and neo-luddites who instantly blame the gun are what exactly?

Posted by: sven10077 at September 07, 2011 03:00 AM (AEIYh)

73 .......... Tear.. Gas......... sssssssss.. ......

Pass the mustard, Gaddafi.

Posted by: Baraque Obama at September 07, 2011 03:27 AM (lpWVn)

74 says he drove to the IHOP in a van with a Support Our Troops ribbon decal on it.

Older van? Trace the title of ownership. Recent purchase or stolen? Rentals don't usually post decals.

Posted by: maverick muse at September 07, 2011 03:29 AM (lpWVn)

75 non citizen US national

???!

Posted by: maverick muse at September 07, 2011 03:32 AM (lpWVn)

76 30Â Â Is this a Palinista sanctuary thread? You perrykrishnas can't leave her name out of one post that has nothing to do with her, can you?

Posted by: Lifeisdeath at September 07, 2011 04:22 AM (6CTdF)

77 "perrykrishnas" HA!

Posted by: lowfibass at September 07, 2011 04:26 AM (T1ZAZ)

78 Troops not being allowed to carry weapons pre-dates the SCOAMF.

The policy is due to risk averse generals who don't wipe their asses unless they clear it with their JAGs first.

Posted by: butch at September 07, 2011 04:27 AM (UIbD4)

79 That faint whooshing noise you hear is the sound of every liberal politician and pundit sighing with disappointment that the killer wasn't a white guy who could be painted as a "Tea Party extremist." Because their own rhetoric forbids them from even suggesting that a Mexican might be a conservative, they'll have to fall back on the old "deranged individual" headshaking. Although one or two brave souls might try a stab at "racism made him do it."

Posted by: Trimegistus at September 07, 2011 04:38 AM (1kln9)

80 The IHOP massacre is motivated by Hoffa's "take the bastards out" command. It's that simple.

Posted by: JayBee at September 07, 2011 06:40 AM (6W8+8)

81 The gunman was a tea partier, though. Right?

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at September 07, 2011 06:51 AM (44b3v)

Maybe he was a union member taking out some sons of bitches. Come on MFM, lets get the story rolling like you did for Gabby.

Posted by: Schwalbe : The © at September 07, 2011 06:58 AM (UU0OF)

83 Would be interesting to see if the gun(s) used are from 0bama's gamble against the 2nd Amendment gun runner fiasco, Fast & Furious.

I'm sure the MSM will be all over this.

Posted by: jukin at September 07, 2011 07:11 AM (vkkNZ)

84 We drove him to it. And how did he get that gun? Bought it legally from a gun show!

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at September 07, 2011 07:19 AM (44b3v)

85 Well, there's your answer - he was a U.S. citizen: http://tinyurl.com/3vz8gkb "Sencion, who was born in Mexico, is a U.S. citizen who has been here for a long period of time and had no criminal history, Furlong said. The only record police have of him is of three pawn transactions over the past year." On the other hand, the theory that this was a manifestation of the Great Battery Cage War is also taking a beating: "Investigators don't believe he engaged with anyone else prior to the shooting, and have found no apparent ties between Sencion and the IHOP or neighboring businesses." New theory: the guy had a hate-on for all batter products and those who consume them.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at September 07, 2011 10:18 AM (vahvH)

86 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at September 07, 2011 11:27 AM (fyOgS)

87

I am not clear if I totally understand the full thought pattern behind this.

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