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September 02, 2011

CBS: Cover Up In Fast & Furious?
— Ace

Sipsey Street Irregulars has excerpts and further details and context, and the CBS story is hair-raising in itself.

Congressional investigators tell CBS News there's evidence the U.S. Attorney's office in Arizona sought to cover up a link between their controversial gunwalking operation known as "Fast and Furious" and the death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.
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In a letter, Grassley and Issa say the lead prosecutor on Fast and Furious, Assistant US Attorney Emory Hurley, learned almost immediately that guns allowed onto the street in his case, had been recovered at Terry's murder. "(I)n the hours after Agent Terry's death," says the letter from Grassley and Issa, Hurley apparently "contemplated the connection between the two cases and sought to prevent the connection from being disclosed." The Justice Department recently transferred Hurley out of the criminal division into the civil division.
An internal ATF email dated the day after Terry's death reveals the quick decision to not disclose the source of the weapons found at the murder scene: "... this way we do not divulge our current case (Fast and Furious) or the Border Patrol shooting case."
Another ATF email indicates that the justification both offices used to not charge the suspect with crimes related to the murder scene "was to not 'complicate' the FBI's investigation."

Posted by: Ace at 05:51 AM | Comments (178)
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Thanks for linking to Mike's site, Ace.

You have no idea how many hours he spends e-mailing and talking on the phone about this.

Posted by: Scott J at September 02, 2011 05:53 AM (/bVuS)

2 Would sure be a damn shame if all these nasty dealings of this Administration started to all come out right before the 2012 election. A crying shame

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 02, 2011 05:54 AM (i6RpT)

3 Ouch!

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 02, 2011 05:54 AM (WUWb9)

4 Wow, CBS News Reporters about to be Hardest Hit for addressing this story...

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 02, 2011 05:54 AM (niZvt)

5 And who would Hurley's boss be, hmmmmm?

For that matter, who is Hurley's boss's boss?

If the government hadn't become a total failure at law enforcement, ethics and plain old common sense and decency: SCoaMF, in the dock, answering an indictment.

Posted by: MrScribbler at September 02, 2011 05:55 AM (YjjrR)

6 I'll take 'Obstruction of Justice' for $400, Alex.

Posted by: EC at September 02, 2011 05:55 AM (GQ8sn)

7 Wait, CBS is actually covering this?

Posted by: Methos at September 02, 2011 05:56 AM (sOXQX)

8 The most astounding part of this story is that CBS allowed it to see the light of day.

Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 02, 2011 05:56 AM (+gfwN)

One thing this whole story torpedos is the claim that the left hasn't attacked the right to keep and bear arms over fear of political heat.

They just didn't make a frontal assault. They tried to come at it sideways.

They, always, always, always go after the 2nd. Without fail. Typically they'll attack it the most when they get cornered on something else.

I've been obseving this behavior since 1991.

Posted by: Scott J at September 02, 2011 05:58 AM (/bVuS)

LA Times White House received emails about Fast and Furious gun-trafficking operation

http://tinyurl.com/43v35u7

Posted by: William Amos at September 02, 2011 05:58 AM (HcYmo)

11 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at September 02, 2011 05:59 AM (1Nzoh)

12 8, yes. One day I have to get Mike to explain how he and David Codrea got that liberal outfit to push this.

Posted by: Scott J at September 02, 2011 05:59 AM (/bVuS)

13 This scandal is impeachment worthy.If it were an R president the MFM would be all over the "What did the president know,and when did he know it?" question,24/7.

Posted by: steevy at September 02, 2011 06:00 AM (1Nzoh)

14 Cover up? Cover up?? They were strawman selling guns to Mexican drug cartels. Isn't that enough?!!

Posted by: dogfish at September 02, 2011 06:01 AM (N2yhW)

15 CBS has actually reported on F&F before, well before the other MBMers.

This thing is gaining traction. I think eventually Holder goes under the bus so it never gets linked to the SCOAMF.

I'm personally hoping for lots and lots of indictments, cooperating witnesses, etc.

Posted by: GnuBreed at September 02, 2011 06:02 AM (ENKCw)

This is Iran-Contra plus Watergate.

The abdication of the media is dizzying, even this far in.

Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 02, 2011 06:02 AM (+gfwN)

17 I'm surprised that CBS isn't trying to cover up the cover up. There must be racists working there

Posted by: TheQuietMan at September 02, 2011 06:03 AM (1Jaio)

18 14, worse. Seems some of the money that the straw buyers used might have come from the DEA as they were paid DEA informants.

Posted by: Scott J at September 02, 2011 06:03 AM (/bVuS)

19 I think eventually Holder goes under the bus so it never gets linked to the SCOAMF. Maybe, but Holder is so closely linked with obama, that it would still probably be a mortal wound

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 02, 2011 06:04 AM (i6RpT)

20 Mike Vanderboegh is an American hero. I read his site evryday. Sipsey street is like the Military wing of AoS. I think we have just began to scratch the surface on this. Nice diversion to sue the banks Holder. Warning, if you want to post on his site, just know that if the libtards start rounding folks up, they will use his blog to make the first list.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 02, 2011 06:04 AM (ZDUD4)

21 15 Yeah,I think Holder goes,one way or another.The next guy (or lesbian)will be just as bad,if not worse.

Posted by: steevy at September 02, 2011 06:04 AM (1Nzoh)

22 Holy Christmas, CBS actually covered this? They are getting one HELL of a big lump of ungreen, un-environmentally friendly coal in their stocking from the Administration this year!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at September 02, 2011 06:06 AM (4df7R)

23 Warning, if you want to post on his site, just know that if the libtards start rounding folks up, they will use his blog to make the first list. Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 02, 2011 10:04 AM (ZDUD4) I am sure my name and rank is already on that list

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 02, 2011 06:06 AM (i6RpT)

We're almost three years into Obama's administration and there hasn't been one scandal yet.

At least one covered by the media in the way they normally cover scandals.

Do you remember Reagan constantly getting grilled over Iran Contra? Bush over Sooper Seekret Agent Valerie Plame, Clinton of Lewinsky(after drudge forced their hand)??

I can think of 5-10 Obama scandals off the top of my head that have been covered by the blogosphere but not the MSM.

This one has to stick. How many people have died as a result of this F&F? 100? How many were civillians? Half?

This is a major scandal and needs to be covered as such. Let's hope CBS keeps digging and, you know, actually covers it on their nightly news.

Posted by: Ben at September 02, 2011 06:06 AM (wuv1c)

25 Would sure be a damn shame if all these nasty dealings of this Administration started to all come out right before the 2012 election. A crying shame

Posted by: nevergiveup

If you were one of the top Dems, and needed Obama to step aside without the ugliness of a primary challenge (also known as the legal, established way), wouldn't feeding this out and making it known that it was okay for the MFM to publish was okay be one path?

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2011 06:06 AM (6rX0K)

26 "Look, forget the myths the media's created about the White House -- the truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand."

Posted by: Deep Throat at September 02, 2011 06:06 AM (NLDaf)

27 Put me in coach. I have an irrefutable source that has a document proving the the program was started by George Bush!

Posted by: Dan Rather at September 02, 2011 06:06 AM (K0sen)

28 Another ATF email indicates that the justification both offices used to not charge the suspect with crimes related to the murder scene "was to not 'complicate' the FBI's investigation."

that's just so bad.

and that media has to be heckled to report it.

Posted by: willow at September 02, 2011 06:07 AM (h+qn8)

29 This is the start of the left seeking to prevent Obama from seeking another term. CBS, and others I suspect, will be pushing this not because of their journalistic responsibility but because they would rather see Hillary run in place of the SCOAMF. ...either way its starting to all unravel for JEF

Posted by: SoCalMe at September 02, 2011 06:07 AM (bKnnS)

30 It just seems that prior to us learning of this 'program', there were a lot of Dems (yeah, I'm looking at you Shrillery) making a lot of claims about how bad ol' US bought guns were making their way into Mexican killer's hands. I am a downright conspiracy theorist here that the gov. was a knowing and willing participant to make such a statement happen so they could claim they needed to lock down guns/gun selling/ownership/you name it.

Posted by: dogfish at September 02, 2011 06:07 AM (N2yhW)

31 If you were one of the top Dems, and needed Obama to step aside without the ugliness of a primary challenge (also known as the legal, established way), wouldn't feeding this out and making it known that it was okay for the MFM to publish was okay be one path? Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2011 10:06 AM (6rX0K) Sounds like a plan to me, but to get him out of the primaries, you'll need alot more. Alot more and pretty fast

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 02, 2011 06:07 AM (i6RpT)

An internal ATF email dated the day after Terry's death reveals the quick decision to not disclose the source of the weapons found at the murder scene: "... this way we do not divulge our current case (Fast and Furious) or the Border Patrol shooting case."

Another ATF email indicates that the justification both offices used to not charge the suspect with crimes related to the murder scene "was to not 'complicate' the FBI's investigation."

Aaaaand, they disgust me. They've disgusted me from the start of this despicable state of affairs, but that right there is the icing on the shitcake.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at September 02, 2011 06:08 AM (4df7R)

33 Ummm.. Unexpected?

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at September 02, 2011 06:08 AM (McHnx)

34 31 Absolutely.I have no doubt.

Posted by: steevy at September 02, 2011 06:08 AM (1Nzoh)

If you were one of the top Dems, and needed Obama to step aside without the ugliness of a primary challenge

They'd rather do it the Chicago way. Talk to him and convince him he has a heath problem. Most likely they'll show him the secret trophy footage of the JFK assassination being done by the Mob.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 02, 2011 06:09 AM (K0sen)

36 I think eventually Holder goes under the bus so it never gets linked to the SCOAMF.

And yet, the LAtimes is reporting that the WH received e-mails. I think that they have gotten word that the king bleeds.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2011 06:09 AM (6rX0K)

37 Yeah, about that 13 points to re-election, I think the scandal free part is about to be blown. CBS will no longer be called on at press conferences either.

Posted by: no good deed at September 02, 2011 06:10 AM (mjR67)

When I first looked at the headline I thought CBS was covering up.

Color me surprised and when you lose CBS................

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at September 02, 2011 06:10 AM (0OJd9)

39 WTF are they doing to Agent Terry's widow?

Posted by: Jean at September 02, 2011 06:10 AM (WkuV6)

40 30 Maybe,but how can they throw him under the bus when they burned every bridge getting him elected?I mean,they were ALL IN,how do they now explain that?

Posted by: steevy at September 02, 2011 06:10 AM (1Nzoh)

41 ogfish said :It just seems that prior to us learning of this 'program', there were a lot of Dems (yeah, I'm looking at you Shrillery) making a lot of claims about how bad ol' US bought guns were making their way into Mexican killer's hands.

hadn't the Dem president and congress Invited Calderon to stand up in the house slap Americans silly over this at the same time?

Posted by: willow at September 02, 2011 06:11 AM (h+qn8)

42 I know nuthing....NUUUUThINGGGG!

Posted by: President Sgt Schultz at September 02, 2011 06:11 AM (4nfy2)

43 dogfish*

Posted by: willow at September 02, 2011 06:11 AM (h+qn8)

If you were one of the top Dems, and needed Obama to step aside without the ugliness of a primary challenge

They'd rather do it the Chicago way. Talk to him and convince him he has a heath problem. Most likely they'll show him the secret trophy footage of the JFK assassination being done by the Mob.

Posted by: The Robot Devil

What I was suggesting is a variation on the Chicago way. Step aside, (insert excuse/reason here) or we nuke you with this slop of your own making.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2011 06:11 AM (6rX0K)

45 21, you should see the interesting .gov addresses that show up in Mike's sitemeter.

Posted by: Scott J at September 02, 2011 06:11 AM (/bVuS)

46 42 Yes,a digraceful display and,dare I say it?Unprecedented!

Posted by: steevy at September 02, 2011 06:12 AM (1Nzoh)

47 41 30 Maybe,but how can they throw him under the bus when they burned every bridge getting him elected?I mean,they were ALL IN,how do they now explain that?
When MFM lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 02, 2011 06:12 AM (K0sen)

48 Jeebus - Government workers cover their ass to prevent embarassment? The duece you say. They are like the priesthood in service to a higher calling (except its okay to diddle little boys for diversity). They would never do something like that.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 02, 2011 06:12 AM (0M3AQ)

49 I want to see indictments.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 02, 2011 06:12 AM (0N5pL)

I find this interesting:

But the US Attorney's office working both the Terry murder and the "Fast and Furious" operation did not immediately disclose the two had any link. Two Republicans investigating the scandal, Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) and Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) say there's evidence that officials at ATF and the US Attorney's office sought to hide the connection.

Why the prominent use of "Republicans" in that sentence? Why not say, "Two Congressmen" instead? Or make note of the committee that's pursuing the investigation, of which Issa and Grassley are a part? After all, their party affiliations are clearly identified after their names.

Since I don't trust the MFM, I'll just go ahead and say that the reporter included "Republicans" like that so that all the Obama supporting sycophants reading the story would immediately tune out and not read any further. "Oh, it's just a Tea Party smear. Never mind."

I know, I know. Conspiracy theories are time wasters. But it's just so blatant sometimes that you have to wonder...

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at September 02, 2011 06:13 AM (4df7R)

51 46, I can just imagine. He's a tuff old bastard. God bless him.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 02, 2011 06:13 AM (ZDUD4)

52 They were strawman selling guns to Mexican drug cartels. Isn't that enough?!!

"Now Watergate, it does not bother me./Does your conscience bother you?"

Remember, we (sadly) expect corruption from our Government officials. It's never the scandal that brings them down, it's the cover-up.

Someone was wishing for something to make Barack Obama, who is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure, resign- even if it meant 16 - 17 months of President Joe Biden. This could be the first domino there, if CBS doesn't get intimidated into shutting up.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 02, 2011 06:14 AM (8y9MW)

53 The most astounding part of this story is that CBS allowed it to see the light of day.

Posted by: Truman North, TPT at September 02, 2011 09:56 AM (+gfwN)

Democrats are starting to realize that Barry will drag all of them down with him next year.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 02, 2011 06:14 AM (0N5pL)

What I was suggesting is a variation on the Chicago way. Step aside, (insert excuse/reason here) or we nuke you with this slop of your own making.

Yea, I was being factious. Gun Runner seems Bus-throw-under-able. Holder gets wrist slapped and Smokey walks.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 02, 2011 06:14 AM (K0sen)

55 The boss isn't called Holder for nothing. He's holden on tight now.

Posted by: sTevo at September 02, 2011 06:14 AM (vXr7p)

56 There's no way Fast and Furious was implemented without Obama personally signing off. No way. Keep digging.

Posted by: Dave at September 02, 2011 06:15 AM (Xm1aB)

This is news? I mean.... yeah... this crap x10 all over the place.

Whatever. Whatever gets it back into the news. I want to see someone in cuffs.

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2011 06:15 AM (IsLT6)

58 both offices used to not charge the suspect with crimes related to the murder scene "^{was to not 'complicate' the FBI's investigation."

really i read this type of stuff in books but this is real! hate it, hate it. !

shudder}

Posted by: willow at September 02, 2011 06:15 AM (h+qn8)

59 I want to see indictments hangings.

FIFY

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 02, 2011 06:15 AM (8y9MW)

60 30 Maybe,but how can they throw him under the bus when they burned every bridge getting him elected?I mean,they were ALL IN,how do they now explain that?

Posted by: steevy

Easy. They do what Dems do; lie. People here keep pointing out that Dems in NJ managed to yank an incumbent Senator (Torracelli) off a ballot and replace him with a corpse (Lautenberg) and got away with it. And for the piss de resistence, demanded that ballots cast by service personnel be set aside since they didn't have Lautenberg's name on them.

This is what the dems are and what they do. And the MFM will cheerfully report the increase in the chocolate ration.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2011 06:16 AM (6rX0K)

People here keep pointing out that Dems in NJ managed to yank an incumbent Senator (Torracelli) off a ballot and replace him with a corpse (Lautenberg) and got away with it. And for the piss de resistence, demanded that ballots cast by service personnel be set aside since they didn't have Lautenberg's name on them.

Remember the whole scandal that got Smokey elected to the Senate. Ryan and his wife wanted the records sealed and the judge opened them anyway...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 02, 2011 06:17 AM (K0sen)

62 Well at least the Obama administration is consistent on this issue. They certainly did NOT bitterly cling to their weapons.

Posted by: Dave at September 02, 2011 06:18 AM (Xm1aB)

63 The chocolate ration has been increased, from 24 grams to 18 grams.

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2011 06:18 AM (IsLT6)

64 61 Yeah,I suppose those lying sacks of shit could pull it off.

Posted by: steevy at September 02, 2011 06:18 AM (1Nzoh)

65 If it's true that the LA times is sitting on damaging video of Obama, then why are they running the report about e-mails reaching the WH? Are they trying to report it so that it can be dealt with and hence, made old news? Or has the journolist batsignal already gone out to take shots at the WH?

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2011 06:19 AM (6rX0K)

66 Brian Terry's family need to be in front of cameras 24/7. Do not rest until this administration is held accountable. Holder needs to go to prison. Barky, the stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure, needs to be impeached.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 02, 2011 06:19 AM (UOM48)

67 Ace,I think it is time that you and the blogosphere pound this story like you did the Weiner story.At least one thread every day.Even if you are just linking other peoples work.

Posted by: steevy at September 02, 2011 06:20 AM (1Nzoh)

I want to see Holder perp-walked from his cushy office into the back of a prison van. And then I want the cops to go to the golf course, slap some cuffs on the SCOAMF, and pluck him off the fairway like the little shitstain thug he is. What would make it even sweeter is if the JEF were about to make the perfect putt, but being arrested prevented him from making the proper swing and his ball went wild and ended up in a water trap instead.

This is what I want. This is what I dream about, when I'm not dreaming about creepy dolls and sentient weather.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at September 02, 2011 06:21 AM (4df7R)

69 OT, funny how we now have a bad jobs report and Smokey is going to address Congress asking for a jobs bill...

Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 02, 2011 06:21 AM (K0sen)

70 67 24 Warning, if you want to post on his site, just know that if the libtards start rounding folks up, they will use his blog to make the first list.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 02, 2011 10:04 AM (ZDUD4)

I am sure my name and rank is already on that list

Posted by: nevergiveup at September 02, 2011 10:06 AM (i6RpT)

Well, we promise to NEVER use those names. Just ask the guitar guy.

So I need to change my name? Shit.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 02, 2011 06:21 AM (0M3AQ)

71 Move along, nothing to see here.

Posted by: Woodward & Bernstein at September 02, 2011 06:21 AM (iRlbA)

72 Yuuuum, chocolate ration.

Posted by: dagny at September 02, 2011 06:21 AM (r/NKH)

73 I remember early on in Obama's tenure listening to him and others claim that American guns were causing all the carnage south of the border--in an attempt of course to justify further controls on guns. This operation was developed to provide evidence to support their false claims. Impeachable. Prosecutable.

Posted by: Dave at September 02, 2011 06:21 AM (Xm1aB)

74 No, keep "Sub-tard". They'll think you're Joe Biden

Posted by: dagny at September 02, 2011 06:22 AM (r/NKH)

75 Posted by: steevy at September 02, 2011 10:20 AM (1Nzoh)

Second.

The Blogs have power, when they work in concert. I think it's time to start tuning the instruments.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 02, 2011 06:22 AM (8y9MW)

76 72 OT, funny how we now have a bad jobs report and Smokey is going to address Congress asking for a jobs bill...
I would support digging a moat along the Mexican border. As long as its done with spoons. Think Holder's people will take the jobs?

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 02, 2011 06:22 AM (0M3AQ)

77 Uhm, yeah...

At least locally, the CBS affiliate is not even on the radar so far as News goes in Tucson.

I think they have lotto numbers or something...

NBC has sort of a local legacy (Lupita Murrrrrillo in another Nogales tunnel investigative report with "local color") and ABC is all over TV and radio about new ways that Face-Book is giving lead poisoning to Tucson pedophiles via text messaging (K-GUN 9 is on...Your Side!!!) or something.

Honestly, last time I checked the local CBS affilliate at the Noon hour, I was shocked to find that Soap Operas still exist.

Posted by: Dejah T. Baggins at September 02, 2011 06:22 AM (tydO9)

78 Someone above mentioned that just before the Fast & Furious Shit Hit the Fan, Shrillary was squawking about how poor Mexico was suffering from a flood of American-made guns because our gun control laws are so lax. Why, it's almost as if the Obama Administration WANTED to ensure American guns made their way to Mexico, to make it easier to push their anti-gun agenda in America!

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 02, 2011 06:23 AM (niZvt)

79 So in order to achieve their goal of restricting legal ownership here, they made claims that straw purchases were sending thousands of weapons to Mexico and winding up in the cartel's hands. When the facts did not support the claims, they made them fact by this operation. And according to court documents from a drug kingpin's Federal Trial, they were payback to select cartels for information on other cartels. Perhaps cartels that were competing with inside gov. players trafficking?

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 02, 2011 06:23 AM (j5CHE)

80 But CBS sucks Obozo's D. How can this be?

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 02, 2011 06:23 AM (0fzsA)

Remember the whole scandal that got Smokey elected to the Senate. Ryan and his wife wanted the records sealed and the judge opened them anyway...

Posted by: The Robot Devil

Indeed. I think that the records WERE ALREADY sealed, and such records were closed as a matter of course, but the judge allowed them to be opened. That's the lengths to which these vermin will descend.

Q: Why did Cook County (Chicago) refuse to take replacement voting machines built by Volkswagen?

A: Like other Volkswagen products, they could float.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2011 06:23 AM (326rv)

82 No wonder the former US Attorney for Arizona, Dennis Burke, refused to give Brian Terry's family standing to sue here...

We knew that he and his office were involved in F&F, but not that they actively covered up ATF involvement in Terry's death from the start.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at September 02, 2011 06:23 AM (VZ10+)

83 77 No, keep "Sub-tard". They'll think you're Joe Biden

Posted by: dagny at September 02, 2011 10:22 AM (r/NKH)

Wouldn't that be "Full-tard?"

^{(I denounce myself, and apologize to the mentally retarded people of society, because it's an insult to compare them to our dumbfuck VP)}

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at September 02, 2011 06:24 AM (4df7R)

84 (I denounce myself, and apologize to the mentally retarded people of society, because it's an insult to compare them to our dumbfuck VP)

Better him than SCOAMFOTUS.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 02, 2011 06:24 AM (8y9MW)

85 76
I remember early on in Obama's tenure listening to him and others claim that American guns were causing all the carnage south of the border--in an attempt of course to justify further controls on guns.

This operation was developed to provide evidence to support their false claims.

Impeachable.

Prosecutable. It was actually a Hillary initiative that Sparky copied. You know those Clinton's and the ATF go way back. Two inbred organizations doing what inbreds do.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 02, 2011 06:24 AM (0M3AQ)

86 86 I thought "sub" was below "full" like in basements.

Posted by: dagny at September 02, 2011 06:25 AM (r/NKH)

87 *this should have already caused the resignation of AG and plausibly VP and President. *Obama got away with the rev wright ssue nobody else at any other time could have. I don't think America is still in the same "leave OJ alone you racists" mood to turn a blind eye to rich black scandals and crime right now.

Posted by: Shiggz at September 02, 2011 06:25 AM (v8Pb8)

88 That's a nice business you got there CBS. It would be ashame if something happened to it.

Posted by: Eric Holder at September 02, 2011 06:25 AM (/Mla1)

Keep trying to win the voting war against this enemy.

Yah. That ought to do it.

Posted by: ..,,.. at September 02, 2011 06:26 AM (NBj0d)

90 "Maybe,but how can they throw him under the bus when they burned every bridge getting him elected?I mean,they were ALL IN,how do they now explain that?" Easy as pie: "I never would have thought he would resort to doing *illegal* things!" They can claim that Obama crossed a bright, dividing line and wash their hands of him.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 02, 2011 06:26 AM (cbyrC)

91 86 77 No, keep "Sub-tard". They'll think you're Joe Biden

Posted by: dagny at September 02, 2011 10:22 AM (r/NKH)

Wouldn't that be "Full-tard?"

^{(I denounce myself, and apologize to the mentally retarded people of society, because it's an insult to compare them to our dumbfuck VP)}

Well I did have a train set when I was a kid. Unfortunately, I could actually make it work so I was not qualified for politics.

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 02, 2011 06:26 AM (0M3AQ)

92 Two inbred organizations doing what inbreds do.

Don't you be talkin' bad about inbreedin' now!

Posted by: Cletus D Spuckler at September 02, 2011 06:26 AM (j5CHE)

Bono = duped idiot.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 02, 2011 06:27 AM (0fzsA)

94 You guys must be smoking dope if you think this will ever touch Obama.. yeah, Holder may take the fall, but as a scandal, this is about a 2 on a ten point scale. How much did Iran-Contra touch Reagan?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 02, 2011 06:27 AM (f9c2L)

95 off sock

Posted by: De' Debil Hisself at September 02, 2011 06:27 AM (j5CHE)

96 Hey guys. Those guns saved or created a butt-load of jobs with the Mexican cartels. Whoa....my socks match!

Posted by: Special Joe Biden at September 02, 2011 06:28 AM (UOM48)

97 Most. Transparent. Administration. Evah.

Posted by: Peregrine Took, on Janet Napolitano's Hobbit Watch List at September 02, 2011 06:29 AM (64S5N)

98 97, Please explain to me how Gunwalker and Iran-Contra relate. Cue Jepordy music.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 02, 2011 06:29 AM (ZDUD4)

99 89 86 I thought "sub" was below "full" like in basements.

Posted by: dagny at September 02, 2011 10:25 AM (r/NKH)

Hmm, good point. I hear "sub" and I think "partial" (like a "substitute teacher" isn't a full-time teacher). I wasn't thinking in terms of "sub" as in "beneath" (like submarine or sub-basement).

I for one welcome the free and open exchange of ideas to decide which is a more damaging insult to our mentally challenged VP: Full-tard, or Sub-tard.

Better him than SCOAMFOTUS.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at September 02, 2011 10:24 AM (8y9MW)

I wouldn't compare a cockroach to the SCOAMFOTUS. Cockroaches deserve better.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at September 02, 2011 06:29 AM (4df7R)

100 41 30 Maybe,but how can they throw him under the bus when they burned every bridge getting him elected?I mean,they were ALL IN,how do they now explain that? Methinks their relatives are out of jobs and starting to come to them for mortgage money.

Posted by: madamex at September 02, 2011 06:29 AM (lhXI+)

101 I have never heard an attempt to explain what was supposed to happen. I still think the created crisis to scare people into gun control is the occams razor answer. Otherwise its what? 1. sell nearly military grade guns to drug cartels 2. ?????? 3. gun cartels dismantled I thought stealing money to create a political base was treasonous.

Posted by: Shiggz at September 02, 2011 06:29 AM (v8Pb8)

102 Breaking News: CBS corporate office raided, CEO arrested on suspicions of illegal Indian wood smuggling.

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2011 06:29 AM (IsLT6)

103

Bono = duped self-absorbed, narcissistic, preening, self-righteous idiot.

Posted by: The Robot Devil at September 02, 2011 06:29 AM (K0sen)

104 Please explain to me how Gunwalker and Iran-Contra relate. Cue Jepordy music. Posted by: Oldsailor's poet
........
They don't relate... It was an example.. an example of a much, much bigger scandal that we all knew Ronny was involved in, but never got that far up the ladder.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 02, 2011 06:30 AM (f9c2L)

105 70Ace,I think it is time that you and the blogosphere pound this story like you did the Weiner story.At least one thread every day.Even if you are just linking other peoples work.

Posted by: steevy at September 02, 2011 10:20 AM (1Nzoh)

Thirded...

This, at the very very least. And yes, I'm begging.

Posted by: ..,,.. at September 02, 2011 06:30 AM (NBj0d)

106 since I got censored theft < blud

Posted by: Shiggz at September 02, 2011 06:31 AM (v8Pb8)

107

Nice job, bonehead!

You broke the blog.

Ahh well let's see what I can do...

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2011 06:31 AM (IsLT6)

108

Not only did they move forward with more restrictions in the face of this scandal they took a victory lap over it: http://tinyurl.com/3p8soxr

Posted by: Scott J at September 02, 2011 06:31 AM (/bVuS)

109 "If it's true that the LA times is sitting on damaging video of Obama, then why are they running the report about e-mails reaching the WH?" Because they "sat" on the damaging video, so they are culpable for not releasing its contents when it could have done some good. The main outlets are despicable for remaining silent on the story, but beyond not wanting to give it any publicity, I think they are avoiding going on record in defense of Obama so that they can use this as an escape hatch once they settle on the idea that it's time for Obama to go. BTW: I don't necessarily mean removing him from office. I am talking about withdrawing their blind support for him before the election in hopes of keeping some of the stink from sticking to their ongoing leftward push.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 02, 2011 06:31 AM (cbyrC)

110 The Obama Administration is at the point where it is literally teetering on the brink. Something like this breaking loose could bring an absolute collapse. Republicans won't have to do a thing as the rats flee the burning ship.

I can't wait to hear Obama blame this one one Bush and Congress.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at September 02, 2011 06:31 AM (uVlA4)

111 If Boehner had balls in response to JEF's job's bill: 1, End the moratorium on Gulf drilling 2, Open ANWR 3. Eliminate the EPA's new regulations 4, Give Gibson their shit back 5. Repeal Obamacare

Posted by: kansas at September 02, 2011 06:32 AM (SjdO4)

112 The fact that CBS is actually covering this "non-news" means Obama is in deep deep trouble here.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at September 02, 2011 06:32 AM (uVlA4)

113 The main outlets are despicable for remaining silent on the story, but beyond not wanting to give it any publicity, I think they are avoiding going on record in defense of Obama so that they can use this as an escape hatch once they settle on the idea that it's time for Obama to go.

BTW: I don't necessarily mean removing him from office. I am talking about withdrawing their blind support for him before the election in hopes of keeping some of the stink from sticking to their ongoing leftward push.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT

I agree with your take on this.

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2011 06:32 AM (6rX0K)

114 I've got some legal indian wood.... in my pants.

Posted by: Shiggz at September 02, 2011 06:32 AM (v8Pb8)

115 lol, sorry couldnt resist

Posted by: Shiggz at September 02, 2011 06:33 AM (v8Pb8)

116 Nope... damn. Let me try again... </blockquote>

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2011 06:33 AM (IsLT6)

117 107, Exactly, they don't relate. To compare anything that came out of the Reagan White House to the band of liars and criminals that inhabit the WH today is a mistake.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at September 02, 2011 06:34 AM (ZDUD4)

118 I've got some legal indian wood.... in my pants.

Posted by: Shiggz

So your local Indian restaurant still has a toothpick dispnser too?

Posted by: Blue Hen at September 02, 2011 06:34 AM (6rX0K)

119

106

But rich celebrtie rock star knowz all! some lying libtard leftist asshole wispered it in bono's ear. Bono had to act to save the werld.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 02, 2011 06:34 AM (0fzsA)

120

I for one welcome the free and open exchange of ideas to decide which is a more damaging insult to our mentally challenged VP: Full-tard, or Sub-tard.

This is definately work that must be done. We can think of ourselves as a "Think-tank" like Center for American Progress (heh).

We are the ones we've been waiting for!!!! ----tard

(We are the ones for whom we've been waiting!!)----new Aos Think Tank

Posted by: dagny at September 02, 2011 06:35 AM (r/NKH)

121

Somewhere in the White House or the DOJ offices there is a slip of paper. It is a printout of an email or in-house, classified memo that says, in essence, "We're going to let the guns go to Mexico." And scribbled on that piece of paper in blue felt tip, in Obama's handwriting, is the message, "This sounds good. Go ahead. - BHO"

That piece of paper is sitting in someone's file. Some low-level employee who saw what was happening and decided to keep some evidence to cover his (or her) ass when the shit hit the fan.

Bank on it.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at September 02, 2011 06:35 AM (4df7R)

122

Hmmm.

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2011 06:36 AM (IsLT6)

123

Hell yeah.

Bow to the master.

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2011 06:36 AM (IsLT6)

124

Woops....

OK how bout this..

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2011 06:36 AM (IsLT6)

125

Posted by: joncelli at September 02, 2011 06:37 AM (RD7QR)

126 Did that work?

Posted by: joncelli at September 02, 2011 06:37 AM (RD7QR)

127 IS this CBS national or a local CBS affiliate running with the story

Posted by: Jean at September 02, 2011 06:37 AM (WkuV6)

128

We are the ones we've been waiting for!!!! ----tard

(We are the ones for whom we've been waiting!!)----new Aos Think Tank

Posted by: dagny at September 02, 2011 10:35 AM (r/NKH)

Yes!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at September 02, 2011 06:37 AM (4df7R)

129 Ooooops

Posted by: joncelli at September 02, 2011 06:37 AM (RD7QR)

130 What the hell did you do, Entropy????

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 02, 2011 06:38 AM (f9c2L)

131 2 Would sure be a damn shame if all these nasty dealings of this Administration started to all come out right before the 2012 election. A crying shame.

Do you believe in the toof fairy too?

Posted by: Darrell Issa at September 02, 2011 06:39 AM (EL+OC)

132

The blog! It is broken! Or... something!

Entropy, stop acting like your namesake. lol

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at September 02, 2011 06:39 AM (4df7R)

133 He didn't "do" anything, it was just entropy!

Posted by: dagny at September 02, 2011 06:39 AM (r/NKH)

134 Shiggz, The original plan was: 1. Tell the 90% lie 2. Fan the flames of public outrage 3. Attack the Second Amendment They got caught on step 1 by William La Jeunesse at FoxNews. He called them on the lie in April 2009: http://tinyurl.com/ykqw3kl F&F (started months later) makes no damned sense at all without considering what came before it.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at September 02, 2011 06:40 AM (cbyrC)

135 Wow, this thread went all screwy. Is someone dropping acid or something? Is Ace debauching himself on young confused Ewoks?

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 02, 2011 06:40 AM (0M3AQ)

136

Where's Kratos? I think the thread needs his words of wisdom:

"In the end, there will be only chaos."

Or in this case, Entropy.

(I keed!)

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at September 02, 2011 06:40 AM (4df7R)

137 LA Times story about White House emails

Posted by: museisluse at September 02, 2011 06:41 AM (4Lj43)

138 Old Sailor *sigh* the point is crap rarely gets back to the president.. you remember the Godfather II scene in the courtroom? The Senator asks the gangster about buffers?

Senator Pat Geary: Mr. Cici, was there always a buffer involved?
Willi Cici: A what?
Senator Pat Geary: A buffer. Someone in between you and your possible superiors who passed on to you the actual order to kill someone.
Willi Cici: Oh yeah, a buffer. The family had a lot of buffers!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 02, 2011 06:43 AM (f9c2L)

139 Shit on Emory Hurley.

Posted by: maverick muse at September 02, 2011 06:43 AM (lpWVn)

140

What the hell did you do, Entropy????

Hmm. I don't know. It wasn't suppose to do that.

Anyway I didn't start this shit it was Shigz! All Shigz! In fact I'm not even here.

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2011 06:44 AM (IsLT6)

141 Shiggz, Entropy, please don't use any more tags.

Posted by: rdbrewer at September 02, 2011 06:44 AM (fNlmA)

142 rd, what tag was it?

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2011 06:46 AM (IsLT6)

143 yeah, tell us what tag you can use to foul up the comment system! We'll keep quiet about it.. we promise!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 02, 2011 06:46 AM (f9c2L)

144 No, I mean what tag FIXED it, not broke it... meh whatever

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2011 06:49 AM (IsLT6)

145 posts malfunctioning , help will robinson

oh and cbs must be a racist right wing organization

Posted by: willow at September 02, 2011 06:50 AM (h+qn8)

146 This is all so very unprecedented...

Posted by: CoolCzech at September 02, 2011 06:50 AM (niZvt)

147

Really though you can break the blog with any old tag. I was looking at the source and don't get why that didn't fix it.

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2011 06:50 AM (IsLT6)

148 Shiggz, Entropy, please don't use any more tags.

Posted by: rdbrewer at September 02, 2011 10:44 AM (fNlmA)

145 rd, what tag was it?

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2011 10:46 AM (IsLT6)

my question is what is a tag anyway?

Posted by: willow at September 02, 2011 06:51 AM (h+qn8)

149

This is all so very unprecedented...

Not really. Well sort of. Usually in the past I've fixed it... not made it worse.

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2011 06:51 AM (IsLT6)

150

Ahh well I guess nothing is left for me now but seppuku.

Fine then. GOODBYE! You won't have entropy to kick around anymore! Melt your own goddamn ice cubes ingrates!

What an artist the world loses in me...

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2011 06:53 AM (IsLT6)

151 what's beautiful is that Hillary has made public statements about gunwalker... doubt she's clean on this... in fact, she probably gave Holder and Valerie Jarrett the idea...

Posted by: phreshone at September 02, 2011 06:55 AM (T3vCe)

152

OK you know that thing where you tie a rope around your neck and then to a tree?

Yeah it doesn't work with a bicycle.

It just hurts like hell.

I think I need a doctor.

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2011 06:58 AM (IsLT6)

153 First Melson and now this guy swept under the rug..

...and the dumb fuckers at DoJ think no one will notice the lumps

Posted by: beedubya at September 02, 2011 06:58 AM (AnTyA)

154

What reporters write at the L.A. Times and what the editors think are two separate issues. The Times' editors are progressive commies all the way. Just read the Opinion section. They are dedicated in their belief of the hard left progressive douche-baggery ideology.

I hope Issa decides that a special prosecutor is necessary on this. The lefties will cry fowl and "it's just a political witch hunt," which, INMHO, will really draw more attention to it, especially about how the family of Brian Terry is getting screwed royally by the DOJ. The MBM will be drawn into it kicking and screaming.

Posted by: California Doomin' at September 02, 2011 07:02 AM (8DdAv)

155 I have a DREAM!!!

That someday the appengage "-gate " will be replaced by "& Furious" by lazy journolists when referring to a political scandal.

Mine EYES, have seen the coming of the GLORY of a LAZY new MEME for hacks EVERYWHERE!!!

Posted by: Deety's been to the Mountain Top and sampled some shrooms at September 02, 2011 07:06 AM (tydO9)

156

That someday the appengage "-gate " will be replaced by "& Furious" by lazy journolists when referring to a political scandal.

Rick Perry - Fundementalist & Furious.

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2011 07:08 AM (IsLT6)

157 *i have assaulted many mattreses, i am a known tagaphobe, but they were asking for it. Was the format issue their Monte Cristo style revenge? I don't have any idea what a "tag" is here or how I go about using one. I used the > key that musta done it.

Posted by: Shiggz at September 02, 2011 07:12 AM (v8Pb8)

158

"But the effort went out of control after agents lost track of many of the weapons."

Kinda gives the reader the impression it was the incompetency of the agents. Whereas it should read: "But the effort went out of control after agents were directed not to track the weapons that were purchased and then sold by straw buyers to various cartel organizations."

Because the agents were directed not to track the weapons is the heart of the scandal, and that is not made clear by the reporter.

Posted by: California Doomin' at September 02, 2011 07:14 AM (8DdAv)

159 @Entropy good point about the "trans fats and furious" adaptation. ooh ohh ohh I love that so much sumbody mock up the fast and furious poster to add Michelle as Vin diesel surrounded by twinkies that look like they are speeding cars!

Posted by: Shiggz at September 02, 2011 07:15 AM (v8Pb8)

160 -I wish it was as big as a toothpick... +1 Blue Hen thanks for laugh. -FTL great points!1

Posted by: Shiggz at September 02, 2011 07:16 AM (v8Pb8)

161

162, let the MFM keep pushing that angle.

The agents are refusing to take the fall. Check out cleanupatf.org.

Posted by: Scott J at September 02, 2011 07:17 AM (/bVuS)

162 LATimes can we please see that Obama/Khalidi birthday video now? Pretty please with sugar on top.

Posted by: Schwalbe : The © at September 02, 2011 07:18 AM (UU0OF)

163 = sorry, credit to deety not entropy....for the -furious

Posted by: Shiggz at September 02, 2011 07:21 AM (v8Pb8)

164 >>Bono = duped self-absorbed, narcissistic, preening, self-righteous idiot.

Bono should rename hisself Uno for his singularity in style.

I can see I am in good company.

Posted by: I repeat myself often at September 02, 2011 07:32 AM (zQzdh)

165

The WikiLeaks document dump had all sorts of damaging classified information......and yet there was nothing about this? Hmmm.

Maybe WikiLeaks held something back, as an insurance policy against prosecution.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 02, 2011 07:40 AM (HH/yS)

166

No Democrat is going to challenge Obama! Stop dreaming! Without Obama on the top of the ticket they lose 96% of the black vote in this election and in elections for the next 40 years. Ain't going to happen!

Posted by: burt at September 02, 2011 07:44 AM (OzqQM)

167 CBS is racist.

Posted by: Buffalobob at September 02, 2011 07:47 AM (vjyVi)

168

Maybe WikiLeaks held something back, as an insurance policy against prosecution. because they are anti-american partisan political hacks.

FIFY.

I would probably support Wikileaks if it was legit, and what it presented itself as. I like and admire the idea behind it very much.

But in practice? No. Viscious little bloody-handed hacks. It's like google - Mission statement: "Do no evil"; Business model: into the ovens, mwuahahaha.

Many things are not what they claim to be. Especially when you're dealing with dishonest hacks.

Posted by: Entropy at September 02, 2011 07:50 AM (IsLT6)

169

There's been some useful stuff on this come out of Wikileaks: http://tinyurl.com/3su86pf

http://tinyurl.com/3hgcx9q

Posted by: Scott J at September 02, 2011 08:05 AM (/bVuS)

170 This is the tip of the iceberg, folks.

Keep in mind that the congressional investigations into just Operation Fast and Furious, and are thus far aimed very narrowly at the Department of Justice (ATF/main DOJ)

The investigators have at least two rumored more gun-walking operations they are looking into in Texas, and one in Florida, and they haven't expanded the OFF probe to look at DHS, Treasury, and State yet.

This could easily bleed the administration for months, or it could suddenly blowout cabinet officials and the White House.

It's going to get a lot worse, and I anticipate resignations at all levels of government, and possible criminal charges, both here in the United States, and in Mexico.

Posted by: Bob Owens at September 02, 2011 08:12 AM (gAi9Z)

171 Shouldn't the person who ran this operation be prosecuted for manslaughter?

I'm not kidding here. They killed someone who was on our side, but also killed many other people. They really did radically increase the lethality of a lot of thugs. If it can be shown they actually wanted to see an increase in violence for some Chicago style political point about gun control, then it's not manslaughter... it's murder.

Posted by: Dustin at September 02, 2011 08:57 AM (fF625)

172 I would support digging a moat along the Mexican border. As long as its done with spoons. Think Holder's people will take the jobs?

Posted by: Sub-Tard at September 02, 2011 10:22 AM (0M3AQ

Don't forget the alligators. No moat is worth anything without alligators in it.

Posted by: LGoPs at September 02, 2011 10:28 AM (lHn6+)

173 97 You guys must be smoking dope if you think this will ever touch Obama.. yeah, Holder may take the fall, but as a scandal, this is about a 2 on a ten point scale. How much did Iran-Contra touch Reagan? Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 02, 2011 10:27 AM Nothing personal, but this pisses me off. This is about a FOURTEEN on a ten-point scale: an act of war against a neighboring ally in aim of attacking the legal rights of innocent Americans, as a result of which hundreds of people have died. As Slow Joe would say, that a big fuckin' deal. If people don't go to prison over this, and by people I mean high officials at least, THERE IS NO LAW.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at September 02, 2011 10:34 AM (bxiXv)

174 Ace,I think it is time that you and the blogosphere pound this story like you did the Weiner

Really? Really dude? You thought you could slide that in? Did you forget who you were dealing with?

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