1 the president is a scoamf

2 OT but given our Elvis Costello blitz during Weinergate I'm a little shocked you haven't linked to "Blame It On Cain" for any of these various Cain posts. 

3 Because the war is lost...lost I tell ya.

4 It's what I do...

5 "Because liberal Democratic theory holds that the Iraq War was unwinnable, therefore, even if won, it must be lost." Lest anyone think something positive came from it. IOW Democrats have to right at all costs because- The Real War is at Home...

6 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

7 SCOAMF!!!

8 And the first enemy is fellow Americans- Republicans. Priorities people.

9 Because they need an excuse to make drastic cuts to the defense budget, and because victory in Iraq is an embarrassment to the left. But mostly because Bambi is a SCOAMF.

10 Hoiman Gain STILL all done...

11 Hey, he killed bin Laden.  Give the SCoaMF a break!

12 Obama has some serious love for radical Islam...why wouldn't he help out Iran? See also, his hard work to keep Israel off their asses for the last 3 years so they can finish building their nukes.

13 IOW Democrats have to *be* right at all costs because- The Real War is at Home...

14 10 Hoiman Gain STILL all done... Posted by: M. Murcek at November 04, 2011 01:14 PM (ToZXn) Hesh! We want to talk about THIS depressing subject, not THAT one!

15 Because it helps Michelle's kids.

16 Aw Chuckie, the thrill is gone?

17 If Iraq turns into a mess, the SCOAMF does not have to admit that he was wrong when he said the surge wouldn't work, and he doesn't have to give Bush credit for the surge working. The guy is a self serving bastard and I can't imagine what it must be like for military people to have to work with him. This must break their hearts. But it's okay because he will do some really nice photo ops with the troops.

18 Caliphate, anyone?

19
The politically prudent thing to do is for the GOP to demand the immediate withdrawal in Afghanistan. It's a winning political issue; the American people are sick of that engagement.

But they won't because that would a) take balls, and b) be somehow 'unpatriotic' in their small minds.

20 Barry O serves Discord, that's why.

21 This is a question the SCoaMF should be answering at an impeachment trial right about now.

No president has done more to aid our enemies and damage our allies than the Traitor-in-Chief.

22 Mr. Soros told me to.

23 Krauthammer: As of Dec. 31, the U.S. military presence in Iraq will be liquidated. And it’s not as if that deadline snuck up on Obama. He had three years to prepare for it. Everyone involved, Iraqi and American, knew that the 2008 SOFA calling for full U.S. withdrawal was meant to be renegotiated. And all major parties but one (the Sadr faction) had an interest in some residual stabilizing U.S. force, like the postwar deployments in Japan, Germany and Korea. Three years, two abject failures. The first was the administration’s inability, at the height of American post-surge power, to broker a centrist nationalist coalition governed by the major blocs — one predominantly Shiite (Maliki’s), one predominantly Sunni (Ayad Allawi’s), one Kurdish — that among them won a large majority (69 percent) of seats in the 2010 election. Vice President Biden was given the job. He failed utterly. ***** Jeebus-Obama really knew who to put on the- Operation Fail -case.

24 Why did Obama choose to lose in Iraq?  Because he's a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

25 He lost it because he has been cutting the budget for the military since he got in office. And he has the worst foreign policy chops since Jimmeh Crater.

Next he will give away the Mississippi river.

26 "American troops there would have guaranteed freedom from domination by Iran."

Interesting word, freedom.  What Iraq will never have in our lifetimes is a government or a culture that is not antithetical to everything we believe in.  There will be no real "freedom" in Iraq as we know it. The best case scenario is a somewhat stable Islamic regime who basically hates us operating under Sharia law. 

Is that better than Iran?  I am not so sure.  I know it ain't worth any more of our best people dying for. We cannot change Islamic culture.  If it is going to change for the better (and that looks doubtful for the near future) it is going to have to come from within.  I wanted victory in Iraq but I don't see how us staying there another 10-20 years, propping up a bunch of oppressors constitutes victory.  The experiment failed.   We might as well face that in Afghanistan too.

27
..... because I AM THE TWELFTH IMAM !!!!!..... that's why.

28

Because it helps Michelle's kids.
Posted by: The Peasants at November 04, 2011 01:15 PM (IADp6)

Yes, all twenty-eight of them!

 

29 Maybe it was Obama's sacred honor to lose Iraq.  Let's ask Will Folkes.

30 Also, the SCOAMF has to pander to those anti Americans at the occupywhatever parks or they might not vote for him.

31 Iraq?  Never heard of it!

32 I'm occupying Wall Street. What more do you wingers want?

33

Let me try something:

He doesn't answer, but a good answer would be, "Because liberal Democratic theory holds that the Vietnam War was unwinnable, therefore, even if won, it must be lost." Lest anyone think something positive came from it.

That fits too well.

34
Obama will say:

Four years ago...
- we were on the brink of a depression
- stuck in Iraq
- Osama bin Laden was still alive and planning attacks on us

Deny it all you wish, but Obama has ammunition in his arsenal. You can argue with Obama's claims, but nobody gives about truth, facts, and details. 2012 will be just like 2008: the best bullshitter/PR guy will win.

35 Yeah, seems to me at this point there are only two choices: continue to believe we can somehow nation-build Islamic countries into being civilized, or we don't. And if we don't, we should be completely out of Afghanistan too. I don't see any middle ground here.

36 12 Obama has some serious love for radical Islam...why wouldn't he help out Iran? See also, his hard work to keep Israel off their asses for the last 3 years so they can finish building their nukes.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at November 04, 2011 01:15 PM (haFNK)

Not to mention that our armed services are simultaniously fighting against and for the terrorists.  Why Obama hasn't been plastered for this by the right is unbelievable to me.  Does anyone in their right mind believe that the so-called Arab spring will produce anything other than terrorist led countries, or terrorist supporting governments as best?   Caliphate we much?

37 It's all politics.  He said Iraq was the wrong war and the only reason he got nominated was that he didn't vote for it (wasn't in the Senate yet).

38 Three years and a won war had given Obama the opportunity to establish a lasting strategic alliance with the Arab worldÂ’s second most important power. He failed, though he hardly tried very hard. The excuse is Iraqi refusal to grant legal immunity to U.S. forces. But the Bush administration encountered the same problem and overcame it. Obama had little desire to. Indeed, he portrays the evacuation as a success, the fulfillment of a campaign promise. But surely the obligation to defend the security and the interests of the nation supersede personal vindication. Obama opposed the war, but when he became commander in chief the terrible price had already been paid in blood and treasure. His obligation was to make something of that sacrifice, to secure the strategic gains that sacrifice had already achieved. Wrongo, Krauthammer... I need my campaign to win-my Hollywood! campaign donations... keepin' my eye on the ball and all that!

39 The amazing thing about Krauthammer is that it took him two full years to determine that Zero's dick tastes bad.

40 Winning isn't fair.

41 "Vice President Biden was given the job. He failed utterly. " Shouldn't that job have gone to the secretary of state? Maybe it just bothers the SCOAMF that Hillary has more balls than he does.

42 I sent that Iraq chick some pics of my junk, so all is not lost!

43 Seems to me Osama Obama doesn't have to "explain" a friggin' thing. No sooner is the question raised then Ace goes back to full Dump-On-Cain Mode.

44 Everybody loves a vacuum...

45 Because, before anything else in the world, the left lives and breathes to see the United States of America humiliated.

This is why they so hated Richard Nixon.  Not because of Watergate or because of his re-election in 1972, but because he got us out of Vietnam without the ignominious embarrassment  that they just *knew* we deserved.  They knew we deserved it so much that it took the Democrat controlled congress to engineer the situation to provide it after we had left.

These people are despicable.

46 Iraq.  Well, sometimes you just have to pull out, like I did with Kirsten Powers.

47 I thought the Iraqi government would not give us exclusive legal jurisdiction over our personnel. Why should we stay there under those conditions? I think Obama actually reached the correct decision this time. Why would we want to stay there? (I think we are leaving 8 years too late, anyway. Because W. had a bad policy, Obama should continue it?)

48 Because of the same reason why he f*cked around with Egypt and Libya. The rebirth of the caliphate, duh.

49 >>>The amazing thing about Krauthammer is that it took him two full years to determine that Zero's dick tastes bad.

Are you crazy?  Krauthammer?  You're just making stuff up now.  Do all pundits merge into one "RINO BELTWAY ELITE" for you or something? 

50 Look out, here comes the Mahdi Fokkers!

51 I came.  I saw.  I golfed.

52 Shouldn't that job have gone to the secretary of state? Maybe it just bothers the SCOAMF that Hillary has more balls than he does. Posted by: nerdygirl at November 04, 2011 01:24 PM Naaaa, Hillary might have considered her own legacy and might have been "successful"... Couldn't risk that. When you want someone with diplomatic skills you send in Joe-"Rape is Up!" Biden.

53

Charles Krauthammer: Why Did Obama Choose To Lose Iraq?

Uh......because the Muslim Brotherhood was having a hard time taking over there with us hanging around?

 

And O/T....but tasty:

Have you seen the Poopie Dog video coverage of the Occutards? It's hilarious. .....It was apparently on Conan last night, which I don't watch.....but stumbled across the video today. [he called it "Yeast Infection Park"....lol]

"Triumph the Insult Dog Visits Occupy Wall Street"

http:/ /teamcoco.com/video/triumph-occupy-wall-st

54

Presidentin' is hard!

Hey Michelle, who we hosting next Waygu Wednesday? 

55 Shouldn't we withdraw from, say, GERMANY before we withdraw from Iraq? Eh, what do I know, I am not the one I have been waiting for.

56

You have to really think like a Leftard to understand... both this, and Viet Nam.

History.  We were defending South Viet Nam, from an invasion by North Viet Nam.  We WON Militarily, by bombing the crap out of North Viet Nam (Operation Linebacker II), which brought them to the Peace Table, and a negotiated Peace.  WE HAD WON.

Dems however, could not allow the "Win" of that evil Dick Nixon to stand, and thus passed a law saying we would not longer support S. Viet Nam.  Once the North finally figured out we had abandoned the South? They reinvaded, breaking their own Peace Treaty.... it is now written about in History books, as a Military defeat... contrary to what actualy happened.

Iraq.  Dems declared it Lost... The surge worked... but they cannot let it go down as a Bush Victory.... so they will abandon Iraq, just as they did S. Viet Nam.  10 years from now it will be remembered as a Bush Defeat... 30 years from now as a Bush/ Darth Cheney Foreign Policy Debacle (because the Left is now writing the History books).

Its all about the Narrative... because they really don't believe they (personaly) are AFFECTED by foreign policy...

57

I came.  I saw.  I golfed.

 

Veni, Vidi, V-Slice!

58 Can you effing believe it? A new Cain thread...

59 There is the slight possibility that this might turn out OK.

Iran is Shia.

Iraq is Sunni.

These people have been slaying each other since the beginning of time.

We could indeed get a full out Shia/ Sunni war in the region and they could nuke each other into oblivion.  Which might not be a bad outcome.

60

@ 56

SFT!

61 Are you crazy? Krauthammer? You're just making stuff up now. Do all pundits merge into one "RINO BELTWAY ELITE" for you or something?

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2011 01:26 PM (hIWe1)

The Kraut was pretty Romneyesqe for a while - he would blast him about something then Ocrapper would give a lofty speech and he couldnt praise him enough.

62 Obama is gonna prove that neocons are a bunch of war mongering retards who will never deserve to run our country again. He's already proved they don't give a damn about creating jobs-just giving tax cuts to their rich fat cat Wall Street buddies. When the folly of the Iraq war is made clear you rethuglicans won't stand a chance. Americans want to get the hell out of a bogus war (how many WMDs were found) and concentrate on shovel ready jobs. With the economy roaring back and unemployment steadily falling, Obama will win in 2012 with over 350 electoral college votes.

63

I've long wondered why "some" people keep talking about the "Iraq War" as if it were still going on.  The Iraq war was over by the end of 2007, and yes, boys and girls, WE WON.  Saddam and his Stalinist thugs, defeated.  Al-Quida, defeated and run off (and they ran back to Afghanistan, which is why things heated up there right after the fighting ended in Iraq).  If that's not victory, I don't know what is.

The combat troop withdrawal, which the SCOAMF had nothing to do with (that was negotiated by the e-vil Bush), is long since done as well.  Sure, you still hear about the occasional bombing going on in Iraq, but it's just Muslims being Muslims over there; killing each other over stupid blood feuds, religious nit-picking and the like.

I know the MFM and their Dim masters will never admit it, but we won the Irag war some time back.  It's a shame our guys and gals in uniform will not get that victory parade they so richly deserve...

 

64 60 There is the slight possibility that this might turn out OK.

Iran is Shia.

Iraq is Sunni.

These people have been slaying each other since the beginning of time.

We could indeed get a full out Shia/ Sunni war in the region and they could nuke each other into oblivion.  Which might not be a bad outcome.

Posted by: shibumi at November 04, 2011 01:34 PM (z63Tr)

They don't hate each other as much as they collectively hate Israel.

65

SFT!

Posted by: ole scratch at November 04, 2011 01:34 PM (+56Bh)

SFT? /looks confused...

66 30 years from now as a Bush/ Darth Cheney Foreign Policy Debacle (because the Left is now writing the History books).

Those millions of lives that will inevitably be lost?

Collateral damage. Acceptable losses in the noble pursuit of the perfect society

67 @64

  True dat.  Those of us who wore the uniform and get it will at least give them the accolades they so richly deserve.

  Fuck the rest of them.

68 68 30 years from now as a Bush/ Darth Cheney Foreign Policy Debacle (because the Left is now writing the History books).

Those millions of lives that will inevitably be lost?

Collateral damage. Acceptable losses in the noble pursuit of the perfect society

Posted by: Obamatard at November 04, 2011 01:39 PM (3Okgs)

Yes.... I sooooo agree!

69

SFT? /looks confused...

 

So Effing True?

70 Can you effing believe it? A new Cain thread...

Posted by: t-bird at November 04, 2011 01:34 PM (FcR7P)

*facepalm*

71 70 68 30 years from now as a Bush/ Darth Cheney Foreign Policy Debacle (because the Left is now writing the History books).

Those millions of lives that will inevitably be lost?

Collateral damage. Acceptable losses in the noble pursuit of the perfect society

Posted by: Obamatard at November 04, 2011 01:39 PM (3Okgs)

Yes.... I sooooo agree!

Posted by: Pol Pot at November 04, 2011 01:41 PM (NtXW4)

Da!

72 >>>Lest anyone think something positive came from it. Exactly. Remember, to the neo-commies, conservatives are more dangerous to America than the rabid muzzie hoards. They've declared as much repeatedly. Therefore anything that may hand conservatives a victory must be defeated at all costs, no matter the harm to the nation.

73 Obama IS the smartest man to ever occupy the Oval Office, he is just not on our side.

74 The liberals want to lose Iraq and their base plus the mushy middle want to concentrate on domestic issues. Failing to fully engage in negotiations, portraying the arbitrary deadline as if it was somehow fixed, and encouraging general war fatigue allows them to rush for the exits. This way, Obama can declare victory and blame Bush for any conflict that occurs once we leave.

75 75 Obama IS the smartest man to ever occupy the Oval Office, he is just not on our side.

Posted by: Bob from Virginia at November 04, 2011 01:45 PM (SBjsJ)

I'll put my test scores up against his nonexistant ones any day...

Or, how about a general test of knowledge? of world events?

I really don't think he is intelligent at all...

76 I'm no lover of Obama Sinatra but just slightly maybe a war with iran is in the works. Not for all the right reasons but it would enable a re-election. I'm going back to sleep/coma. Wake me up when the country does.

77 They don't hate each other as much as they collectively hate Israel.

I forgot about that little tidbit of info.....

78

There is a chance that "ceding Iraq to Iran" will force a balance, likely a Cold War-style balance, between the Arab/Sunni muslims and the Iranian/Shia muslims. Implicitly, the money and energy they would have used to plague the rest of the world will now be used to antagonize each other.

There has been talk about this for a few years, and I expect to see Saudi Arabia spending some very heavy cash to greatly increase their defense capabilities.  Pakistan might also focus more on Baluchistan, taking heat off of us and India, and maybe de-fund or reduce funding for the problems they harbor in Qetta.

This might be a longer-term win for us; not a long term win, say 50+ years, like Germany and S. Korea, but we might have a somewhat more peaceful 10-20 years coming.

I doubt that JEF and advisors see this. I think they simply hate the US and Western Culture, and see ceding Iraq as an easy vindication of their theories.

79 Hey Ace, is my blog which i haven't up dated in ages banned from linking here?

80 Are you crazy?  Krauthammer?  You're just making stuff up now.  Do all pundits merge into one "RINO BELTWAY ELITE" for you or something? 

Posted by: Jeff B. at November 04, 2011 01:26 PM (hIWe1)

No, Jeff, I just watched him in disgust as he fawned over the bastard for the first year of office, then a little less for the second year. Also, I don't delude myself that Krauthammer is a conservative, he isn't.

81 Two reality checks: 1. Polls are saying upwards of 80% of American voters are actually looking forward to the U.S. being out of Iraq. We'd have to guess that a number that big would contain lots of different rationalizations, and some of those would no doubt conflict; but the number is still big, and it's something that the Dems & in particular Obama can use in head-to-heads with Romney or whoever. Romney in particular had a part of his foreign policy speech that dealt with this, so it's not as if he can run away from that number. Anyway, 20% will be thrilled with the Romney or whoever position (I'm assuming Ron Paul will NOT be the nominee, but I'm also thinking more and more that that's maybe a bit presumptuous.), but 80% are going to hit that little button so it goes down. 2. The leaving is more-or-less in line with the Status of Forces agreement struck by Bush. That, of course, is for the 'intellects' in any crowd where it gets raised, which is probably less than the 20% who want to stay. I mean, there's really no way around a situation where Iraq insists on that and says, Go away, and this is probably something that doesn't convince anyone because the only one who want to consider it are already among the 80% who want rid of the place, but I do think it poses a problem for those who argue Obama should stay when the fact is he, uh, can't. Not even the AUMF provides any alternative. It's not as if this answer is going to result ion that little button moving or anything, but it does pose a potential problem for Romney or whoever arguing the opposite, because it means obfuscating or whatever the term is these days for lying, and that could make an independent think, First Obomneycare, then the abortion rights flip-flop, then the Ohio union confusion, now this - who can trust this guy?

82 Reason 1: Obama is a Muslim.  And he wants to establish the caliphate over the whole middle east, and the world.

Reason 2: Liberals are never wrong in anything they say, and if the facts--a war won in Iraq--have to be changed to make it so, then the facts will be changed.

Reason 3:  The usual acronym. 

83 Could the rumored Israel strike timing have anything to do with this?

84

Easy.  Walter Cronkite is dead, and the MSM is getting the shit kicked out of it by the alternate media anyway, so they aren't as good at their job #1 of fucking over America anymore, and Walter Cronkite is dead.

ps. I enjoy saying Walter Cronkite is dead, because the fact that Walter Cronkite is dead is one of the few good things about the media now that Walter Cronkite is dead.

85 Is everyone going to let Reynold's drive-by trolling go unfisked?

86 Wars have to end. This one was a mistake from the beginning. The Iraqis want us out, as do 75% of Americans, according to a Gallup poll earlier this week. Also, in case you forgot, the country is broke and cannot afford the cost of a permanent occupation of a hostile country. Nearly 5,000 soldiers have died for a pack of lies, fighting a dishonorable war. The civilian dead total more than 100,000 according to the leaked State Department documents. Five million refugees are now teaching their children to hate us, as the Palestinians hate Israel. The question isn't why is Obama choosing to lose, but why didn't Obama end this despicable, un-neccessary war the day he took office?

87

 

In both Iraq and Afghanistan, the people view their respective governments as  puppet regimes. They have little credibility with the general population--especially the segment of the population that is willing to fight. We are not welcome there and should leave. They have nothing to offer us anyway.

Afghanistan is mostly Pashtun, and will governed as such, no matter what we do--short of genocide. Iraq is a Shia majority country so naturally they will have close ties to Tehran. Shias are a minority in Islam so it makes sense they would band together.

The next time we send our people into harms way, it should be to invade, crush all resistance, and take any resources available as payment for our expenses. Then we should just go.

People will stop f-cking with us.

88 Also, in case you forgot, the country is broke and cannot afford the cost of a permanent occupation of a hostile country.

Ah.  But we can afford a permanent occupation in non-hostile countries, like Germany, Italy, France, Haiti, South Korea,etc...

Makes perfect sense.

Nearly 5,000 soldiers have died for a pack of lies,

While I do not expect an answer to this question, because I never get one from a brain-dead liberal like Jordan,

Please tell me one lie you were told.

Five million refugees are now teaching their children to hate us, as the Palestinians hate Israel.

Uh huh.  Guess all those stories of grateful Iraqis are just a part of those "lies" we were told, huh?

The question isn't why is Obama choosing to lose, but why didn't Obama end this despicable, un-neccessary war the day he took office?

BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Wow.  For someone who is so attuned to the "lies" that were told to get us into Iraq, you sure can't see the blatant ones that are right under your nose very well, can you?

89

Posted by: Jordan at November 04, 2011 03:16 PM (XJYf4)

 

Clearly we have a classic brain-dead idiot right out of Zucotti Park here. 

But he can recite the same leftist lies we've been hearing the past 10 years very well, though.

FOAD, cockholster...

90 In what way did we "win" in Iraq? We allowed the creation of another Islamic state with a Sharia-based constitution? Enabled Iranian influence over the rest of the Middle East? Wasted the blood and treasure of a nation and our soldiiers for what exactly? Shit, we didnt even get cheap oil. Why exactly do we care what this kosher Con thinks about Iraq?

91

Pretty risky for the legacy.  If Iraq succeeds Obama's roll is a footnote.  If Iraq fails it will be difficult for him to avoid the blame. 

And if it fails over the next 12 months his relection chances are kaput.

92

Or because we can't afford it.  Anyone think of that?  ... that perhaps the cost of "Iraqi Freedom" is a price America is no longer willing to bear?

That said, it's obvious why Obama chose to lose (and lose we most certainly will.) It's all upside for him.  Fulfill the campaign promise, placate the anti-war Left (although they've been strangely quiet since January of 2009) save the $, and declare victory.  On the other hand, the downside is all on Bush.  If Iraq falls under the sword of its own radicals (or those of Iran) then the whole thing was doomed from the beginning and it's Bush's fault that we lost 5000 American Soldiers and half-a-trillion dollars.

 

 

93 "Why Did Obama Choose To Lose Iraq?" Because Iraq "is another Vietnam" is the narrative and had to be 'lost'.  Just as the Democrats lost Vietnam by blocking follow up aid 2 years after we left so now they will block aid to Iraq and declare the war lost and...  drum roll please...  Bush's fault.

94 "While I do not expect an answer to this question, because I never get one from a brain-dead liberal like Jordan, Please tell me one lie you were told." It's your lucky day. The biggest lie was told by Bush in his state of the union address, a claim that Iraq was seeking to buy uranium from Niger. The lie was repeated a few days by Colin Powell in his address to the U.N. seeking support for the upcoming war. They lied about Iraq's nuclear program and lied about stockpiles of chemical weapons.

95 The biggest lie was told by Bush in his state of the union address, a claim that Iraq was seeking to buy uranium from Niger.

BZZZZT!!!!

http://tinyurl.com/yoghnd

Bad intel /= "lie."

They lied about Iraq's nuclear program and lied about stockpiles of chemical weapons.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

Much, much more here.  Knock yourself out

Who lied again?

Again, bad intel /= "lie."

Try again.

Actually, if that's the best you got, I suggest you stop now. This has all been discussed here ad nauseum and you do not have a chance. Honestly, do you think I'm so stupid as to have asked that question without knowing you were going to come up empty-handed?

96 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

97

Obama needs all the troops out of Iraq before Israel takes out Iran's nuclear facilities.  That is why he is not leaving a residual force.  If U.S. troops in Iraq are killed by retaliatory Iranian missile strikes, Obama will have no choice but to declare war on Iran, which is the last thing he wants or needs before the election.  Traditional wag the dog will not work for him. 

What will work is that, if the Israelis are perceived to be acting unilaterally, the ensuing economic shitbath can be blamed on them.  With the Dow at 3000, oil at $300/barrel, and chaos in the Middle East, Obama and his policies are not longer to blame for U.S. economic misery.  Moreover, our noble Nobel Peace Prize winner can protest, mediate, and negotiate, while using our heroic Navy to clear the Straits of Hormuz and get the oil flowing again.  It is the only thing he's got left. 

Note that, while the drawdown is occuring, American warships are moving into the Gulf, and troops, rather than coming home, are being moved to Kuwait.  I suspect Panetta's recent trip to Israel was to get Netanyahu to agree to delay the attack until after the last troops leave in December.

 

98 I'll get on the pack of lies bandwagon. They think that Sarin is a conventional weapon. They lied. It's a WMD. They lied when they said that Sadam never had weapons of mass destruction. I know people who still psuedo-believe that, including Jordan. 99% of the world holds that view. They said that they were against inspections, but then they later said that the inspections were working. Down the memory hole. But I help people remember. Jordan, You realize that even now Iraq has declared stockpiles of chemical weapons, that are not yet destroyed. Who are you to use the word "lie". I'm awesome!

99 It's a shame all the greatest minds of our generation are busy sitting in their mom's basement commenting on blogs.  Why you guys seem to have a deeper understanding of foreign policy and how things should be than most cab drivers in NYC.  Congratulations.

100 Add Al Gore and Byrd to the liars list. That doesn't make Bush's dishonesty any less disgusting. Presenting bad intelligence, as you choose to call these fabrications, as truth to the nation and the world is a lie. Byrd is especially guilty because he was on the armed services committee and should have been asking tough questions about our casus belli instead of rubberstamping the administration's march to war.

101 Presenting bad intelligence, as you choose to call these fabrications, as truth to the nation and the world is a lie.

Thank you for proving yourself to be the paranoid, pseudo-intellectual ignoramus that I initially assumed you to be from your previous comments.  If you honestly believe that every single person in the US Government, as well as governments around the world, were in on the conspiracy to "lie" to you re: Iraq, then there really is no point in continuing to respond to your inane, childish remarks.

102 Then stop responding, or at least pull your head our of your ass. The entire world knows that Bush's administration slapped together a case for war made of lies, half truths, and spin. The case was methodically constructed and repeated by Bush, Powell, Cheny, Rice and others. We were told Hussein was building nuclear weapons. (He wasn't.) We were told his government had links to Al Qaeda. (It didn't.) We were told Iraq was stockpiling chemical munitions manufactured in mobile labs. (They weren't.) All of these lies, and more besides (over 900 false statements, 250 by Bush) made a steady drumbeat to war. We've been pouring bodies and money into it ever since. It's time to end the monetary expenditure, and make sure our servicemen and women come home as passengers and not as cargo. You can pretend we're fighting the good fight, but the truth is our soldiers are dying grubby little deaths in a third world shithole while fighting a fraudulent and dishonest war that has contributed to the bankruptcy of our country with no benefits to our nation. The reason our soldiers are dead is because of chickenhawks like Bush and his administration and because Obama lacked the intestinal fortitude to end this nightmare earlier.

103 Not going to waste more time on you responding to your nutbaggery, but this one just cracks me up:

We were told Hussein was building nuclear weapons. (He wasn't.)

What's really impressive to me is how Bush was able to convince people of this even before he was President.

He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." ----Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

All liars, I guess.  All part of Bush's conspiracy.

Seriously, Jordan, stop making a fool of yourself with your silly, unsubstantiated "facts." 

104 Fine, then stop wasting your time, if you think it's so valuable. You aren't convincing anyone. Am I supposed to believe Hussein was developing WMD because Nancy Pelosi said so twelve years ago? Sorry, but she only has marginally more credibility than you and GWB. It's a dishonest, dishonorable war, conceived in lies, executed by incompetents. There were no WMD. There were no nuclear laboratories. There was no Al Qaeda in Iraq until we arrived. Our soldiers are being fed into the meat grinder for nothing. We are not safer. You (and all the other chickenhawks like Krauthammer) should be ashamed of yourselves for trying to prolong the slaughter.

105 Am I supposed to believe Hussein was developing WMD because Nancy Pelosi said so twelve years ago?

Whether he had them or not is not the point.  You are insisting that the only reason we went into Iraq is because Bush lied.

You are wrong.  Your argument has no basis in reality and look even more ridiculous when you consider the facts.  That is, the actual, real-world based facts, not those that you fabricate in your own fevered imagination. 

106 I don't think Bush's dishonesty is the only reason we went to war. I think Bush's campaign of lies is what made the possibility of war more acceptable to Americans because we were told it would make us safer. Instead, a great many of us are dead and the rest of us are less safe. Wars have to end. There is no case for prolonging this one.

107 I don't think Bush's dishonesty is the only reason we went to war.

Well, this is new.  Especially considering what you so emphatically stated earlier.

Gettin' a little difficult to continue to support your earlier silliness, huh?  Understandable.

I think Bush's campaign of lies is what made the possibility of war more acceptable to Americans because we were told it would make us safer.

And yet, you have yet to produce a single, verifiable lie.

But don't feel bad, Jordon, as not one single liberal I have ever asked to provide one has been able to.

But please, feel free to continue as though you have.  It's quite precious.

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109 Wars have to end. There is no case for prolonging this one.

Umm, the war is over.  Perhaps you read about it.  It was in all the papers.

But the Korean War is over, yet we still have troops in S. Korea.  And WWII is over, yet we still have troops all over Europe and in Japan. 

But I guess because those places are currently safe and stable, (mainly becuase we stayed there after the wars had ended and helped to insure a transition from a war-time environment to a safer peace-time situation) perhaps you can tell me why we are still there?

Take your time, think it through for a while.  I'm sure you will figure out some way to blame that on Bush and his "lies."

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