July 16, 2011
— rdbrewer Charles Krauthammer criticizes Obama's ridiculous "I'm above the political fray" act and lays out his plan for dealing with the White House. He say that Republicans should call the president on the August 2nd bluff by passing a clean bill with spending cuts and a modest, short term increase in the debt limit, and then send that bill to the president and Democrats in the Senate, daring them to put the country in default.
Obama is angling for a bigger deal to get the budget issues past the election.
I would add that the Republicans need something similar to Bill Clinton's quick response team to deal with Obama's blizzard of lies. He gets away with pointing his finger and saying "they're ideologues, and I'm not" too often. He does this over and over. And, like Krauthammer says, if you just started paying attention to the debate, it would appear that Obama is indeed above the fray, dealing with recalcitrant children. In reality, he's the biggest brat in the room. Every time the president does that, someone--the designated responder--should mug every reporter with a microphone and make light of the fact the president doesn't consider himself an ideologue and part of the problem.
Restart the video for analysis by Stephen Hayes and A.B. Stoddard and to hear the part of Obama's news conference where he laughably acts like he's dealing with child-ideologues.
"Projection--it's not just a river in Egypt." --Ace
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Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 10:56 AM (M9Ie6)
I agree with Dr. Krauthammer. Call his bluff. After all, he already admitted it was a bluff.
Posted by: Jimbo at July 16, 2011 10:57 AM (O3R/2)
July 16, 2011
Curious access to cell phone records [Anon]
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Posted by: Chairman LMAO at July 16, 2011 10:57 AM (yJyNa)
Why do you think there's a war on Murdoc right now? The MFM is terrified of having to report the truth.
Posted by: The Donkey Show at July 16, 2011 10:57 AM (ijjAe)
And the Senate can go fish.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 10:58 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: nerdygirl at July 16, 2011 10:58 AM (eMPxE)
*grumble mutter spit*
Posted by: HeatherRadish, Big Game Hunter at July 16, 2011 10:58 AM (0vDuM)
Going out for smoke. There was a mix up at the liquor store last night on the cigarettes, got Shermans.
Posted by: Journolist at July 16, 2011 11:00 AM (Fb9Q0)
Posted by: Highly Concerned Conservative of Much Consternation at July 16, 2011 11:01 AM (oWVQY)
That would require someone in the GOP with balls who could withstand the anal probing by the MBM into their personal life, scolding from Johndsey McCainham, backstabbing from Karl Rove, and ignorance from the great moderate middle who get their views from David Letterman, Joy Behar, and Jon Stewart
Posted by: kbdabear at July 16, 2011 11:01 AM (so1xa)
Posted by: thatguy at July 16, 2011 11:01 AM (G7Jng)
Posted by: Preznit Barry at July 16, 2011 11:02 AM (FZZ94)
Sarah Palin is about the only big name republican who seems willing to call Obama an Obama, but she gets no respect from either side. Go figure.
Posted by: chillin the most at July 16, 2011 11:05 AM (6IV8T)
Posted by: mike at July 16, 2011 11:05 AM (MOV7j)
Back during the golden age of TQ, this is what Management was passing out
they also have an updated version
I would think that there would be a million of these available used for cheap.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 11:06 AM (M9Ie6)
One!
Nothing wrong with me
Two!
Nothing wrong with me
Three!
Nothing wrong with me
Four!
Nothing wrong with me!
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 11:06 AM (GTbGH)
Inevitably, there will have to be accountability reform -- holding the media accountable for the same crimes that the business world faces when it materially mistakes fact (particularly in order to represent financial issues in a particular light). At least financial misreporting only skews the investment in one company; journalistic misreporting skews political investment in the entire nation.
Public trials, prioritizing the prosecution of the greatest offenders in order to make an example of propagandist excess and political corruption, will be necessary. I'd suggest that the guilty consider a lower profile and separation from the progressive war machine before it's too late.
Posted by: Multitude at July 16, 2011 11:08 AM (ijdDW)
Posted by: USA at July 16, 2011 11:09 AM (6Cjut)
Posted by: Jugears McPokerfail at July 16, 2011 11:11 AM (ti7Om)
Posted by: joeindc44 at July 16, 2011 11:11 AM (u9B7L)
Posted by: joeindc44 at July 16, 2011 11:14 AM (u9B7L)
Krauthammer is racist for wanting the racist Republicans in the House of Representatives to put Obama on the spot, because , if you haven't noticed, Obama is a Black man and any resistance to the pure intentions of a Black is by definition racist.
Furthermore, Ace is racist for promoting Krauthammer's racist diatribe and by extension so is the racist moron who is sockpuppeting me and racistly exposing my idiocy on his blog in these racist comments section.
And if you don't agree with me you are a racist. Plus, if you did not read that makes you a racist. You racist.
Posted by: Sheila Lee Jackson at July 16, 2011 11:15 AM (hbAPu)
Posted by: USA at July 16, 2011 11:15 AM (6Cjut)
Posted by: robtr at July 16, 2011 11:17 AM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Barack Obama at July 16, 2011 11:17 AM (kPmFw)
One thing the Repubs can do is, every time they open their mouth, preface it with "I wouldn't have to be standing here saying this if President Obama's own budget hadn't been rejected 97-0 by the Senate."
Whatever else they say would be gravy.
Posted by: arhooley at July 16, 2011 11:18 AM (inleC)
Posted by: mike at July 16, 2011 03:05 PM (MOV7j)
What's your cellphone number comrade? We can explain it over the phone. Please be sure to stay on the line for more than two minutes while we discuss this.
Posted by: DoE SWAT Debt Collection Team at July 16, 2011 11:19 AM (yrGif)
Don't tell me it's out of money. Harry Reid said it was well-stocked until the year 2525. And he would never lie.
btw, I was listening to him the other day and trying to figure out who his high-pitched voice sounds like. I finally got it - Rocket J. Squirrel, of Rocky and Bullwinkle fame.
Posted by: pep at July 16, 2011 11:20 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: USA at July 16, 2011 11:20 AM (6Cjut)
Posted by: chillin the most at July 16, 2011 03:05 PM
You're going to get Jon Huntsman whether you want him or not. Barring a sudden entry by Charlie Crist that is ..
I'm just an analyst doing my job ..
Posted by: Karl Rove at July 16, 2011 11:21 AM (so1xa)
Posted by: USA at July 16, 2011 11:24 AM (6Cjut)
There in NO such thing as inflation! It's just that some things people insist on buying like gas and food costs a little more, that's all, and it's transitory!
The new i-Pad costs the same as last year with more fun stuff in it, do I hear you thanking me for that?
Posted by: Baghdad Ben Bernanke at July 16, 2011 11:25 AM (so1xa)
come for the allegedly smart military blogging, stay for the vanishings
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at July 16, 2011 11:26 AM (UqKQV)
I finally got it - Rocket J. Squirrel, of Rocky and Bullwinkle fame.
But gay and old. Like Rocky, after having spent many years in the bath houses, is now tired and jaded yet willing to pass on what he has learned to the eager.
Posted by: dagny at July 16, 2011 11:26 AM (de/uf)
Ace really jawbones it when he writes a review
Posted by: Roger Ebert at July 16, 2011 11:27 AM (so1xa)
Posted by: blaster at July 16, 2011 11:27 AM (Fw2Gg)
A number of House Rs have stated that Obama should only get an increase equal to the amount of cuts he's willing to accept. If you want to make Obama look like the ideologue he is (according to Dr. K's model), take the cuts mostly from discretionary and only cut mandatory items such as subsidies. Advertise that you are cutting waste, fraud, and abuse. Then bring it to the floor and see how the Dems respond.
/FTR, I still support Cut, Cap, and Balance.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 11:27 AM (o2lIv)
That.
How unexpected that the RNC can't figure this kind of stuff out on their own.
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2011 11:29 AM (afUO8)
when he punches a mirror, you know the Decline has begun. Even those turn-polishers in the MFM are getting spooked ( pun intended )
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at July 16, 2011 11:30 AM (UqKQV)
Posted by: chillin the most at July 16, 2011 11:31 AM (6IV8T)
Unless my google-fu is total fail, the info in these two charts should crush all hope:
Interest on Federal Debt yields:
2010 $413,954,825,362.17
2009 $383,071,060,815.42
2008 $451,154,049,950.63
While the chart of historical Treasury rates for the last 30 years yields: (excuse the long list)
1981,16.39 1982,12.24 1983,9.09 1984,10.23 1985,8.10 1986,6.80 1987,6.66 1988,7.57 1989,9.21 1990,8.10 1991,5.69 1992,3.52 1993,3.02 1994,4.21 1995,5.83 1996,5.30 1997,5.46 1998,5.35 1999,4.97 2000,6.24 2001,3.88 2002,1.67 2003,1.13 2004,1.35 2005,3.22 2006,4.97 2007,5.02 2008,1.92 2009,0.16 2010,0.18
When interest rates go back to the historical averages, the entire tax take of the Feds will be used up just servicing the debt, if we're lucky.
Superboned.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 11:32 AM (GTbGH)
Video>>When Martians land on Earth, Obama will appear to be the adult in the room.
Even with Martians the JEF will be nothing of the sort.
Posted by: sTevo at July 16, 2011 11:32 AM (VMcEw)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 16, 2011 11:33 AM (AF1jB)
Just love it.
Yes. Those job creating tax hikes will save the economy and the Obama presidency. Oh, and they will convince North Korea, Iran, Russia, and China to behave themselves too.
Posted by: Jimbo at July 16, 2011 11:35 AM (O3R/2)
Posted by: blaster at July 16, 2011 11:35 AM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: USA at July 16, 2011 11:35 AM (6Cjut)
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 11:36 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: mike at July 16, 2011 11:37 AM (MOV7j)
Krauthammer is a capitulating RINO tool.
Pass Tom McClintock's "Full Faith & Credit Act" (HR 421). Do NOT raise the debt ceiling under any circumstances.
Problem solved. End of discussion.
SEC. 2. PRIORITIZE OBLIGATIONS ON THE DEBT HELD BY THE PUBLIC.
In the event that the debt of the United States Government, as defined in section 3101 of title 31, United States Code, reaches the statutory limit, the authority of the Department of the Treasury provided in section 3123 of title 31, United States Code, to pay with legal tender the principal and interest on debt held by the public shall take priority over all other obligations incurred by the Government of the United States.
Posted by: Bill at July 16, 2011 11:37 AM (MFzRi)
I want Barry's face on the new dollar as a constant reminder.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 11:37 AM (GTbGH)
How many people forget that Krackpipe was a dem operative and worked closely with Mondale.
Who says Krackpipe is even interested in less government. Yeah, he's a hawk because of Israel but what else? I don't trust him.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 16, 2011 11:38 AM (AF1jB)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 16, 2011 11:38 AM (ti7Om)
Yeah, plus he's in a wheelchair. The bastard.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 16, 2011 11:39 AM (ti7Om)
Posted by: blaster at July 16, 2011 11:39 AM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: blaster at July 16, 2011 03:35 PM (Fw2Gg)
Actually savings accounts and real estate are good hedges against inflation. Renters on the other hand as is happening now will find rents more expensive.
Posted by: robtr at July 16, 2011 11:40 AM (MtwBb)
No doubt. Even universal loathing is immortality of a sort.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 11:40 AM (GTbGH)
A number of House Rs have stated that Obama should only get an increase equal to the amount of cuts he's willing to accept. If you want to make Obama look like the ideologue he is (according to Dr. K's model), take the cuts mostly from discretionary and only cut mandatory items such as subsidies. Advertise that you are cutting waste, fraud, and abuse. Then bring it to the floor and see how the Dems respond.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 03:27 PM (o2lIv)
ooh, i like it! by the way, I know this comes up every time budget negotiations are in the news, which is more and more often of late, but seriously, who do I have to sleep with around here to get Miss'80sBaby promoted to co-blogger status already?? (please don't let it be Gabe)
In other news, my friend the TV tells me that Charlie's Angels is coming back as a series. Add that to Hawaii 5-7 and the Dallas reboot. WTF, America? WTF.
But will they bring back Firefly? Nooooo.
Posted by: Adrian at July 16, 2011 11:41 AM (PY4xx)
Yeah, plus he's in a wheelchair. The bastard.
That pretty much sums it up for me, too. That smug bastard.
Yeah, I know you were being sarcastic.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 16, 2011 11:41 AM (AF1jB)
Posted by: Adrian at July 16, 2011 11:42 AM (PY4xx)
Posted by: blaster at July 16, 2011 03:39 PM (Fw2Gg)
IIRC, he said he doesn't look like the other presidents on our paper money. I agree--they all look like adults.
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 16, 2011 11:42 AM (yrGif)
Yes, by all means, we must purge him immediately. Cast out the unbeliever!
You know, the world does contain more categories than 1) agrees with me on absolutely everything, current population =1; and 2) Filthy RINOs.
Posted by: pep at July 16, 2011 11:43 AM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: obamandias at July 16, 2011 11:44 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: blaster at July 16, 2011 11:45 AM (Fw2Gg)
If I have misread you and you are really just being sarcastic, then please ignore my previous. I just get tired of the constant witch hunts for RINOs.
Posted by: pep at July 16, 2011 11:45 AM (6TB1Z)
I have always assumed that he was still a Democrat, albeit, of the old school.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 11:47 AM (GTbGH)
Mandatory/defense spending: $2.21 trillion
To reduce the deficit to 10% of spending, you would have to cut everything by 27%.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 11:47 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: JoeofPA at July 16, 2011 11:47 AM (60Yux)
Send us an 8x10 and we'll get back to you.
Posted by: AoSHQ Fuck-to-Play Department at July 16, 2011 11:48 AM (ti7Om)
There's a local TV news reader who got a Saturay morning radio show on the big talker here in RI. He did a whole hour about how if the Republicans didn't agree to new taxes, old people wouldn't get Social Security.
He wasn't spouting talking points, but he was definitely only paying attention to and digesting liberal news sources.
It's enraging.
Posted by: Truman North at July 16, 2011 11:50 AM (K2wpv)
Just to note in passing, the Federal Debt when the Democrats took the Congress in 2007 was $8,670,596,242,973.04,
$8.6T
Good times, good times.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 11:51 AM (GTbGH)
Well, that would require a little organization.
Posted by: rdbrewer at July 16, 2011 11:52 AM (5P7XB)
Yes, the federal debt has grown by nearly $3 trillion dollars in the past three years. And yes, the dollar amount of that debt is quite large (in excess of $14 trillion and headed toward $15 trillion should the ceiling be raised). But large numbers are not the problem. The U.S. has a large economy (slightly larger than that debt number).
Sure we've got lots of debt, but our economy is slightly larger than how much we owe, woohoo!
Posted by: booger at July 16, 2011 11:52 AM (9RFH1)
Posted by: USA at July 16, 2011 11:53 AM (6Cjut)
Just to note in passing, the Federal Debt when the Democrats took the Congress in 2007 was $8,670,596,242,973.04,
$8.6T
Good times, good times.
808 Days. No budget.
Posted by: Truman North at July 16, 2011 11:54 AM (K2wpv)
They're great at using social media and holding pressers but woefully inadequate when it comes to ads and doing things in prime time. When you're competing with the bully pulpit, posting 10 informational tweets and 5 video/article links on Facebook every day isn't going to cut it. I don't think anyone other than political junkies see the leadership or legislation pressers, either.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 11:55 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: blaster at July 16, 2011 03:45 PM (Fw2Gg)
Clinton was smart enough to not play the class warfare game with his tax hikes. He knew there wasn't enough money in taxing the just the rich. He raised taxes on everyone and everyone had some skin in the game which is probably what it is going to take to get us out of this mess. Obama has conviced 50% of the population that they are rightous in not paying taxes and that if he could just talk the republicans into rasing taxes $70 Billion on the rich it would pay off the $1.6 Trillion deficit.
Posted by: robtr at July 16, 2011 11:55 AM (MtwBb)
Posted by: joeindc44 at July 16, 2011 11:58 AM (u9B7L)
808 Days. No budget.
What is so frustrating is that whenever a budget is in question; business, household, whatever, the first thing you do is FREEZE SPENDING until you have it figured out.
The Dems use it as an excuse to run up the tab because there's nothing saying they can't.
Posted by: garrett at July 16, 2011 11:58 AM (kPmFw)
Posted by: blaster at July 16, 2011 11:59 AM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 03:55 PM (o2lIv)
Well, they're good at prime time when it's Fox News. But as for the rest, what can you do? The reason they're so good at social media and Fox is that these are not fiercely biased against them (except for O'Reilly being a complete moron on this topic). There is literally nothing they can do to get, say, CBS, to report on this issue honestly, is there?
Posted by: Adrian at July 16, 2011 12:00 PM (PY4xx)
Posted by: blaster at July 16, 2011 03:59 PM (Fw2Gg)
He may have talked about it but he ended up taxing everyone.
Posted by: robtr at July 16, 2011 12:01 PM (MtwBb)
One of my big heroes, for a long time now. Too bad he can't be Pres, he'd be teh awesome.
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2011 12:02 PM (afUO8)
Reaganomics Obamanomics killing me,
Reaganomics Obamanomics killing me,
Reaganomics Obamanomics killing me,
Reaganomics Obamanomics killing you!
Posted by: garrett loves DRI at July 16, 2011 12:02 PM (kPmFw)
No, Pep, I'm not being sarcastic. That's how I categorize those who pose as conservatives but who compromise.
How would you categorize those who support increasing the debt limit when it is not necessary to do so?
Do you disagree that McClintock's bill would protect debt service payments without needing to raise the debt limit, thereby taking the non-issue of a default off the table?
Even if it only passes the House and never gets through the Senate, it squarly places the responsibility on the Democrats. They will be on record as having opposed protecting debt service payments, and if they and Obama choose to default and prioritize, it will clearly be their decision and fault.
What do you see wrong with the "Full Faith & Credit Act"?
Posted by: Bill at July 16, 2011 12:02 PM (MFzRi)
In our sound bite culture and with a hostile media, that is the only way to get heard.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 12:02 PM (GTbGH)
"Republicans are skeptical of President Obama’s claim that a “clear majority” of GOP voters wants tax hikes included in a deficit deal...
The offices of top congressional Republicans are citing polls that they say counter ObamaÂ’s assertion.
Brendan Buck, a spokesman for House Speaker John Boehner, cited a recent Rasmussen Reports poll that said just 34 percent of people think a tax increase should be included in a deficit deal, bolstering RepublicansÂ’ argument that taxes shouldnÂ’t be a part of an agreement. The poll said that 55% of people donÂ’t think tax hikes should be included."
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 12:04 PM (o2lIv)
Resolution kept.
Skin against skin blood and bone
You're all by yourself but you're not alone
You wanted in and now you're here
Driven by hate consumed by fear
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor
Let the bodies hit the floor...
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 12:05 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: USA at July 16, 2011 12:05 PM (6Cjut)
Not really, no. But the RNC could be pouring what money they have into ads.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 12:05 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 16, 2011 12:06 PM (AF1jB)
Posted by: JoeofPA at July 16, 2011 03:47 PM (60Yux)
Other responses have covered this well above, and this is one reason I will never contribute to the RNC. If they at least had the organizational skills of a pre-schooler, they would have a rotating spokesperson out on the Capitol steps every day at 1200 with an coherent attack on some aspect of the Dem's policies, criminal activities, executive order end runs around the Constitution, health care waivers (1471 IIRC), and tax favoritism for their contributors (GE).
The MFM might ignore this but youtube could be the BFF.
Posted by: Hrothgar at July 16, 2011 12:06 PM (yrGif)
Reagan said he did, but he never closed it.
But then he was a RINO.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 16, 2011 12:07 PM (ti7Om)
The debt is U.S. treasury bonds that have been sold to investors. If Joe buys a bond that has an interest rate of 0.5% if current interest rates go up to 1.0% it doesn't mean Joe gets any more money.
So if interest rates go up it means new bonds will cost them more money.
So what would happen is they would have to quit borrowing more "new" money. Something they need to do NOW.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 12:07 PM (M9Ie6)
Wake me when someone says he wants to close the Dept. of Education.
Ronald Reagan promised to do it but didn't. I think it would take a total collapse to get rid of entire departments.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 16, 2011 12:07 PM (AF1jB)
I know, huh? Why they let a fucking cripple on Fox News is really beyond me.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 16, 2011 12:08 PM (ti7Om)
Posted by: joeindc44 at July 16, 2011 12:09 PM (u9B7L)
But then he was a RINO.
I still have a toaster to give out to anybody who can identify a gov't program that Reagan eliminated.
What a bloody RINO!
*sarc*
Posted by: George Will at July 16, 2011 12:09 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 04:07 PM (M9Ie6)
That's not true unless you are planning to pay off the $1 Trillion in bonds that come due each year. Right now we pay them off by issuing new bonds. I don't think we have an extra $1 Trillion lying around.
Posted by: robtr at July 16, 2011 12:09 PM (MtwBb)
Fox News hasn't been worth a shit on this subject either. They are just as bad as the rest of them.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 12:09 PM (M9Ie6)
I know, huh? Why they let a fucking cripple on Fox News is really beyond me.
Come now, you know me, I'm not targeting him because he's a cripple. I'm targeting him because he's a dick and an untrustworthy dick at that.
Yeah, and you probably don't know me. More's the pity.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 16, 2011 12:10 PM (AF1jB)
Posted by: booger at July 16, 2011 12:11 PM (9RFH1)
No, we issue new bonds for new borrowing. As long as we run a budget deficit we have to have new borrowing every year.
What MUST happen is to eliminate the deficit. The only way for that to happen is to quit spending more than you take in.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 12:11 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 12:12 PM (ECjvn)
In our sound bite culture and with a hostile media, that is the only way to get heard.
I think part of that is because they don't all share the same ideas and some of them are unwilling to go on-record as being individually publicly supportive of measures they voted for, e.g. the House Budget. So combine differing goals and approaches with varying degrees of willingness to discuss certain issues and you have a problem.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 12:12 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 16, 2011 12:14 PM (AF1jB)
What MUST happen is to eliminate the deficit. The only way for that to happen is to quit spending more than you take in.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 04:11 PM (M9Ie6)
That just isn't true and I was wrong. $2.2 Trillion in bonds come due each year and yes we pay them off by issuing new bonds.
Posted by: robtr at July 16, 2011 12:14 PM (MtwBb)
Krauthammer is a Democrat from the Carter administration.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 12:15 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: robtr at July 16, 2011 12:18 PM (MtwBb)
Perhaps as someone who want what's best for the country, but disagrees with your analysis of whether or not raising the debt limit is necessary or politically wise to get to the long term goal. He may be right, or he may be wrong, but that doesn't mean he's either evil or stupid.
Posted by: pep at July 16, 2011 12:18 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: booger at July 16, 2011 12:18 PM (9RFH1)
Always seemed so logical to me.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 16, 2011 12:18 PM (ud5dN)
And she's a chick, so he can pay her less.
Posted by: nickless at July 16, 2011 12:22 PM (MMC8r)
Posted by: blaster at July 16, 2011 12:24 PM (Fw2Gg)
Use the talking heads like them for what they are good for, but don't trust them to care about anything but prestige and money.
Every now and then one of them will let the mask slip and let their utter disdain for the common man slip out.
Like Kondrake and Will saying that securing the border with Mexico and fighting Amnesty is "mean".
Or Krauthammer bashing the Tea Party people and Bachmann and Palin as a bunch of lightweight nuts.
Krauthammer and Co. are tolerable and useful only when we remember that they would run our nobody-ass over in a heartbeat to save Juan Williams or Alan Colmes. Because they protect their own class and the folks they'll see tonight at the cocktail party.
It's about the status and the chess game for them. Not about the country.
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 12:27 PM (ECjvn)
Posted by: blaster at July 16, 2011 12:28 PM (Fw2Gg)
And yet he is consistently one of the best and most articulate conservative voices in media.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 16, 2011 12:29 PM (Ohzoo)
We occupy a very unique time in history for we are presently operating in completely uncharted waters with a national debt spoken in the parlance of nearly 15 Trillion dollars with, as incredulous as it sounds and it is, fiscal budget deficits of 1.4 Trillion projected over the next 10 years.
This is indeed completely uncharted territory to begin with but then when the government's unfunded liabilities are thrown into the mix of over 45 Trillion with trillions more in government absorbed toxic banking investments. And on top of that throw into the mix that we have become world's largest debtor nation currently monetizing our own debt, this no longer becomes a complex problem as much as one of clear and present economic danger.
Posted by: Journolist at July 16, 2011 12:30 PM (Fb9Q0)
A low bar, admittedly.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 12:30 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Bob Saget at July 16, 2011 12:32 PM (TkLBc)
No he isn't.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 12:33 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: jrg at July 16, 2011 03:44 PM (BkQvr)
He's just crazy enough to do it.
Posted by: WalrusRex at July 16, 2011 12:33 PM (TVvXc)
Posted by: blaster at July 16, 2011 04:24 PM (Fw2Gg)
That won't even do it. Even if we had 10% growth in GDP that is only about another $250 Billion a year in tax receipts. Our deficit is $1.6 Trillion.
It will take massive cuts, tax increases and insane growth to get even to balance much less start paying off debt.
Posted by: robtr at July 16, 2011 12:34 PM (MtwBb)
The tax increase Obama is posturing for is a fat sacrificial calf. He'll easily let that go, claim centrist bipartisanship, and brand the Republicans as protectors of the fabulously rich in exchange for spending cuts coupled with a raise in the debt ceiling that extends past the 2012 elections.
The good news is that Boehner and McConnell know this too. Short of Obama fully embracing a Paul Ryan budget plan, Boehner and McConnell will do their level best to make sure that the debt ceiling must be addressed again in the middle of the election cycle. That's the reason Obama made the preemptive move of promising to veto any short term plan. And that's also why Obama will never go for the McConnell backup plan. - Not once, but three times Obama would have to personally raise the debt ceiling between now and the election. He'll never sign on to that.
Obama knows he can't get a tax increase under any circumstance. That's his bullshit-giveaway-bargaining-chip in exchange for not having to address the debt ceiling again in his first term.
It's an open question as to whether Boehner and McConnell can hold out for a short term increase in the debt ceiling. If they can, Obama's chances for reelection will go from quite vulnerable to outright bleak.
Posted by: Dave at July 16, 2011 12:34 PM (2Sys/)
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 04:35 PM (ECjvn)
Bwahahahahahaha. I see what you did there.
Posted by: Papa Editor at July 16, 2011 12:36 PM (FZZ94)
We already have Romney and Huntsman running with Rudy chaffing at the bit as well. Do we need another liberal in the primary?
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 12:36 PM (M9Ie6)
One of the talking heads on CNN Headline News, Robin Meade is her name I think, Has released a country album. They have been breathlessly promoting it all morning.
Posted by: WalrusRex at July 16, 2011 12:36 PM (TVvXc)
And most likely like a new country females she is not country and her act depends on "looks" rather than music.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 12:38 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 04:38 PM (M9Ie6)
Preach it! I hate those bitches.
Posted by: Taylor Swift at July 16, 2011 12:39 PM (FZZ94)
He said the other day that he could change it so it would fall under a BBA. Not sure if he means just discretionary or overall budget, though.
Posted by: '80sBaby, Houstonian at July 16, 2011 12:40 PM (o2lIv)
Todd and I are gonna tie his flippin' wheelchair to our gosh-darn bus and haul him out to the tundra where he can't bother anyone. You betcha and yer welcome!
Posted by: Sarah Louise Palin (TM) at July 16, 2011 12:41 PM (Ohzoo)
Posted by: blaster at July 16, 2011 12:41 PM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: blaster at July 16, 2011 12:43 PM (Fw2Gg)
I don't get it.
Posted by: blaster at July 16, 2011 04:41 PM (Fw2Gg)
It's called the politician job protection act of 2011
Posted by: robtr at July 16, 2011 12:43 PM (MtwBb)
When a problem is spread out amongst 300 million people, it becomes nobody's problem.
If we each had real ownership of a portion of this country we could get our minds around it.
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 12:44 PM (ECjvn)
CK rocks.
OT: A couple of muslim kids in the neighborhood found a harmless Gardner snake and started stoning it. My girlfriend saw what was going on, stopped what they were doing and brought the injured snake home. We tried our best but it died after about 15 minutes. I have no words for this. Religion of peace my ass!
Posted by: PugBoo at July 16, 2011 12:47 PM (20jXV)
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 12:47 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 04:44 PM (ECjvn)
Yup, if the politicians were honest and told everyone that to fix this problem they were going to have to raise taxes on everybody you would see a lot more participation in how much we are going to cut spending.
Posted by: robtr at July 16, 2011 12:48 PM (MtwBb)
People who hate me getting paid for Monday morning quarterbacking and 20/20 hindsight with ZERO accountability when they are full of shit gets old.
Just once I'd like to see some of these guys be willing to see their ideas sink or swim in the real world.
Bwahahahahahaha. I see what you did there.
It was unintentional. It rarely crosses my mind that he's in a wheelchair. I do like to call him Ironside occasionally.
Todd and I are gonna tie his flippin' wheelchair to our gosh-darn bus and haul him out to the tundra where he can't bother anyone. You betcha and yer welcome!
You still gonna try and tell anyone you don't have PDS, War?
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 12:50 PM (ECjvn)
Late to the game as usual but mad props to Truman North for the Bruddah Iz cover of Country Road.
My fave John Denver song sung by a man clearly favored by God. 
Posted by: ErikW at July 16, 2011 12:50 PM (Jl/6S)
CK rocks.
OT: A couple of muslim kids in the neighborhood found a harmless Gardner snake and started stoning it. My girlfriend saw what was going on, stopped what they were doing and brought the injured snake home. We tried our best but it died after about 15 minutes. I have no words for this. Religion of peace my ass!
Posted by: PugBoo at July 16, 2011 04:47 PM (20jXV)
Oh, don't be so judgmental, I'm sure the little darlings have nothing against snakes. They were just practicing, for their future daughters.
Posted by: Adrian at July 16, 2011 12:50 PM (PY4xx)
Posted by: blaster at July 16, 2011 12:50 PM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: chillin the most at July 16, 2011 12:53 PM (6IV8T)
That's because Paul Ryan keeps drinking $300 bottles of wine!
Posted by: some drunk Marxist harridan who thinks doing ordinary division is "economics" at July 16, 2011 12:53 PM (7c8Cd)
Well, where does he say the other $6T come from?
"Ryan dismissed concerns that the enactment of a BBA could render his Path for Prosperity budget blueprint unconstitutional, saying that even if there were some complicating technicalities, he could 'easily' adjust his plan to conform to its requirements."
/Townhall
More on the debt ceiling and the McConnell plan
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 12:54 PM (o2lIv)
55 actually
Born 4/6/56
Posted by: kbdabear at July 16, 2011 12:55 PM (so1xa)
“WH Insider” weighs in after laying low for weeks, via Ulster Man’s FB page: ”WH actively preparing for possible EH resignation. Tied in w/GG. JC set up to keep firewall in place. SIGNIFICANT details to break soon. Obama openly accuses senior cabinet official of acting against him on this. Another outburst. “Screaming at adviser” Critical help from media paying dividends. This WH in very serious trouble. For all of us who have been waiting for O's Queeg moment, this sure sounds like it could be happening right now. Holder, at least, sounds like toast.
Posted by: pep at July 16, 2011 12:55 PM (6TB1Z)
A couple of muslim kids in the neighborhood found a harmless Gardner snake and started stoning it.
Don't let them near a dog.
Posted by: USS Diversity at July 16, 2011 12:55 PM (Jyt+i)
Oh, don't be so judgmental, I'm sure the little darlings have nothing against snakes. They were just practicing, for their future daughters.
Posted by: Adrian at July 16, 2011 04:50 PM (PY4xx)
Or to expand upon that, their parents probably tell them we're of Satan and serpents are usually equated with evil, so....
Posted by: ErikW at July 16, 2011 12:56 PM (Jl/6S)
Why don't I get an Invoice for my stake in the financial responsibilities of the United States of America in the same envelope?
Let me track how fast that number goes up. Let us all track it year to year.
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 12:57 PM (ECjvn)
A couple of muslim kids in the neighborhood found a harmless Gardner snake and started stoning it.
They killed it. Time to make them eat it.
Posted by: garrett at July 16, 2011 12:58 PM (kPmFw)
I wonder if it was Khuckles Krackpipe who wrote Mondale's "I will raise your taxes line."
If Kackhammer wrote it, that should be a three strikes and your out on Fox. Oh, and I don't read his articles, either.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 16, 2011 12:59 PM (AF1jB)
Posted by: blaster at July 16, 2011 12:59 PM (Fw2Gg)
"GOP leaders ignore ObamaÂ’s 36-hour deadline for a debt plan"
Also: "Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is pushing Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to schedule votes on the Cut, Cap and Balance bill and a balanced budget amendment in the upper chamber next week.
A Senate Democratic aide said itÂ’s likely that at least one of those Republican priorities will receive floor time next week because it would clear the way for passage of a last-ditch contingency plan later this month."
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 01:00 PM (o2lIv)
Did you know her husband is gay. That probably says something about her.
Posted by: The Media at July 16, 2011 01:01 PM (6TB1Z)
Me either. Plus I avoid wheelchair stores.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 16, 2011 01:02 PM (Ohzoo)
Oh, don't be so judgmental,
I'm sure the little darlings have nothing against snakes. They were just
practicing, for their future daughters.
Posted by: Adrian at July 16, 2011 04:50 PM (PY4xx)
Or to expand upon that, their parents probably tell them we're of Satan and serpents are usually equated with evil, so....
Posted by: ErikW at July 16, 2011 04:56 PMWe need them here for the rich cultural traditions they add to the salad bowl called America
Posted by: Leff T Dusche at July 16, 2011 01:03 PM (so1xa)
Posted by: Spoily McSpoilerson at July 16, 2011 01:03 PM (b91d4)
There's an app for that.
Frightening as Hell and twice as likely.
Nothing sinks into the skull like a piece of paper for the old folks.
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 01:05 PM (ECjvn)
He can easily take care of an extra $6T in debt. Well why didn't he start there? Start from the assumption of balanced budgets as a necessity.
You have one of two options:
(1) If it's only balancing the discretionary side, you have a whole number of things you can cut and/or combine as necessary. Far more simple.
(2) Balancing the entirety of the budget would be more difficult because mandatory comprises 63% of federal spending. You could do it if you made cuts to everything in mandatory while fast-tracking reforms, but no one is going to like it.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 01:06 PM (o2lIv)
Now if we can just get some of the old time Hindus that still practice suttee. Just think how tolerant that will make us. We can condescend to those who condemn it.
Posted by: Effete Manhattan lib with vision at July 16, 2011 01:06 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 16, 2011 01:06 PM (AF1jB)
Let me track how fast that number goes up. Let us all track it year to year.
Posted by: sifty
This! Keep putting this insanity in front of every oblivious voter in the country and see how much longer it lasts,
Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at July 16, 2011 01:09 PM (sJTmU)
Let's let the SEIU and the Kostards be the cruel ones.
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 01:09 PM (ECjvn)
Posted by: Leff T Dusche at July 16, 2011 05:03 PM (so1xa)
Ah yes, there's nothing like the Muslim practice of sexual mutilation of teenage girls and the stoning of women who have been raped that enrich American culture.
Thanks liberals! Doin'a bang up job on making our country safer!
Posted by: ErikW at July 16, 2011 01:10 PM (Jl/6S)
Respect my elders? Fuck them.
Posted by: Pooter Hound at July 16, 2011 01:10 PM (le5qc)
A couple of muslim kids in the neighborhood found a harmless Gardner snake and started stoning it.
Don't let them near a dog.
Posted by: USS Diversity at July 16, 2011 04:55 PM (Jyt+i)
As you can tell from my handle, I do have a dog. If somebody tried that with him I would probably be on my way to jail. NOBODY messes with the Boo. And religion has nothing to do with that.
Sorry for hijacking the thread.
Posted by: PugBoo at July 16, 2011 01:11 PM (20jXV)
What the Journolist scandal showed is that the cockroaches in the media all band together until someone comes up with a half-assed lie that sounds believable - then they all run with it. People who are working with the truth as their basis of doing things don't do that - which is why we have no coordinated talking points.
Please understand that coordinated talking points are all the Democrats have. Without the MSM flying cover for them they would poll in the mid 30's in every election.
The Democrats talking points mostly come from their minister of propaganda. This used to be David Axelrod - who was a true grand master of Bull Shit; it took effort to unravel his stuff. The current minister of propaganda is barely able to weave enough Bull Shit into whole cloth to get Obama through a press conference in front of true believers who don't even get to ask him utterly softball questions.
The Democrats fundamental problem is that the structural qualities of Bull Shit are rather poor and everything unravels if it is put under any stress. The Democrats can't tell the truth about what they are doing - for fear of literally being tarred and feathered.
The fact that the assortment of Morons, Pudding dippers and Honey Badgers here are able to utterly eviscerate El Presidente's every Bull Shit proclamation is evidence of how weak the Democratic party position really is. WE are more than they can handle. The entire modern progressive movement is a collection of frigging lightweights - there isn't a decent Professor Moriarty in the lot of them. In many ways Anthony Weiner is the archetypal modern progressive; a loud mouthed dick waver and nothing else.
Soros' blood money is all that is propping them up. When that foul Judenrat's time has run out, things will start going even farther downhill for the Democrats.
Posted by: An Observation at July 16, 2011 01:12 PM (ylhEn)
Posted by: Leff T Dusche at July 16, 2011 05:03 PM (so1xa)
Well.. heck fire...
They like Multiple Wives... and you all seem OK with that... so.....
Posted by: Old Time Mormon at July 16, 2011 01:14 PM (NtXW4)
The next Presidential election isn't being decided in 2012. It's being decided today. And the current crop of Republicans just don't seem to have the mud.
Americans have the government they deserve.
Posted by: BritishContrarian@gmail.com at July 16, 2011 01:17 PM (8/oXo)
Posted by: Leff T Dusche at July 16, 2011 05:03 PM (so1xa)
Well.. heck fire...
They like Multiple Wives... and you all seem OK with that... so.....
Posted by: Old Time Mormon at July 16, 2011 05:14 PM (NtXW4)
Yes... and to proove your Cultural diversity Bona Fides.... watch as I cut the Heart from this living person... and then we'll use his head in a game we like to play!
Posted by: Aztec High Priest at July 16, 2011 01:18 PM (NtXW4)
Sorry for hijacking the thread.
Posted by: PugBoo at July 16, 2011 05:11 PM (20jXV)
Yeah, you really fucked up the flow of conversation. 
Posted by: ErikW at July 16, 2011 01:19 PM (Jl/6S)
Posted by: torabora at July 16, 2011 01:19 PM (dMr03)
Americans have the government they deserve.
One can say the same thing about England.
And what's up with your media over there? Do you realize they talk about the British public like they're children who need to be controlled?
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 16, 2011 01:20 PM (AF1jB)
Posted by: fluffy at July 16, 2011 01:29 PM (4Kl5M)
Posted by: sifty jackson-moonbat at July 16, 2011 01:30 PM (ECjvn)
First time I've heard that expression. I like it. Over here, we used to say someone had sand. Same thing I think.
Posted by: pep at July 16, 2011 01:31 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 05:21 PM (ECjvn)
That was nicely put and I do see a trend.
People who normally don't pay attention because they're busy dealing with life are starting to understand that their life is being interfered with in a big way and it's getting much, much worse very quickly.
I credit this place and others who are successfully getting the knowledge out by not being full of shit. People detect that and act accordingly.
Posted by: ErikW at July 16, 2011 01:32 PM (Jl/6S)
"Perhaps the biggest surprise has been ObamaÂ’s quest for a historic debt-reduction agreement. This would involve unpopular cuts in Social Security and Medicare, possibly depriving congressional Democrats of the cudgel they were hoping to wield against the House RepublicansÂ’ plan to replace Medicare with a system of subsidies for private coverage. A grand bargain would mean settling for smaller tax increases on the wealthy than if Obama simply let the Bush tax cuts expire at the end of 2012. And it could impede the economic recovery by ratcheting back government spending, thus reducing demand."
That last sentence was especially objective.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 01:35 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: the sockiest of sock puppets at July 16, 2011 01:35 PM (cM5lE)
You had me up until Judenrat, and I think I know what it means. Please elaborate. If I understand correctly, the Judenrat weren't really willing collaborators, as much as Jews trying to stave off the inevitable. Or do I have that wrong? Soros is just an evil man.
Posted by: pep at July 16, 2011 01:36 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Aunt Nancy at July 16, 2011 01:38 PM (4Kl5M)
That last sentence was especially objective.
Well, it would explain the astounding economic success of the USSR, North Korea, etc. Why can we not understand this?
Posted by: pep at July 16, 2011 01:38 PM (6TB1Z)
What then does that make us, exactly?
Contemplate this on the Tee of Woe.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 16, 2011 01:40 PM (cHZB7)
I will drink in celebration when he leaves this world.
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 01:44 PM (ECjvn)
Posted by: No Whining at July 16, 2011 01:44 PM (MGvGI)
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 01:45 PM (ECjvn)
2 days ago I was looking for an article about Dick Obama (again off my meds, can't afford them any more). So I says to him, no sorry, so I did a Google News search with just his last name confined to the past 24 hour period. Even an unmedicated cynic like myself was unprepared for the results. Unbridled fawning, praising, how great thou art, etc.
Oh, and the commensurate evil Rethuglican dingoes ate my baby crap.
It doesn't matter who does what, the Narrative is what it is.
Posted by: jeannebodine at July 16, 2011 01:50 PM (nvlAW)
. . .
Obama knows he can't get a tax increase under any circumstance. That's his bullshit-giveaway-bargaining-chip in exchange for not having to address the debt ceiling again in his first term.
Posted by: Dave at July 16, 2011 04:34 PM
Nice points.
Posted by: rdbrewer at July 16, 2011 01:50 PM (5P7XB)
Posted by: Y-not at July 16, 2011 01:51 PM (1BHrt)
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 05:45 PM (ECjvn)
I'll never forget Dennis Miller interviewing a soldier who served on the DMZ. The soldier recounted a story where there weren't leaves on the trees or grass blades on the ground because the North Koreans had eaten them all and were starving to death.
Posted by: ErikW at July 16, 2011 01:53 PM (Jl/6S)
Posted by: Y-not at July 16, 2011 01:54 PM (1BHrt)
Obama does what we want.
No tax hikes at all.
No deal longer than six months.
All cuts have to come from legislation HE has forced through. Starting with gutting Commiecare.
When CommieCare is broke, we work back in time to the Shitulus and TARP. Gut those fuckers.
ERASE HIS LEGACY while he's still in office.
Why?
We can prove we have the money to service the debt and issue the SS checks past August.
We can prove his commie ideas are too expensive to implement and were bad ideas.
If he guts his shitty policies, we agree to a new tax withholding specifically for this crisis.
Every paycheck can have a 1% line item called:
Emergency
Accountability
Tax for
Stabilizing
Homeland and
International
Trusts.
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 02:03 PM (ECjvn)
Clearly they had been listening to Michelle Obama's dietary advice. Delivered in between baconators.
Posted by: pep at July 16, 2011 02:05 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Molon Labe at July 16, 2011 02:07 PM (g5MrG)
You strutting little half-wit. See you in the unemployment line, Stalin Jr.
Posted by: America at July 16, 2011 02:13 PM (ECjvn)
Perhaps, there is a bit of hope.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 02:14 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 06:14 PM (GTbGH)
I hope you pulled one off the 6-pack and handed it to each of them!
Posted by: garrett at July 16, 2011 02:16 PM (kPmFw)
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 02:18 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 02:20 PM (GTbGH)
When you have over-reached to an ACLU member, you know you have over-reached.
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 02:22 PM (ECjvn)
Wait, what? I thought they upheld the ban. . . been so busy, I can't keep anything straight lately.
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2011 02:25 PM (afUO8)
Um, I thought that proposed ban reversal didn't pass the House?
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 16, 2011 02:27 PM (c0A3e)
It prohibits funds for enforcing the ban until September of 2012.
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 02:30 PM (ECjvn)
We avoid talking politics like the plague.
I'll get a link to the ban vote.
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 02:31 PM (ECjvn)
"Let’s be honest – neither party in this town is blameless; both have talked this problem to death without doing enough about it. That’s what drives people nuts about Washington. Too often, it’s a place more concerned with playing politics and serving special interests than resolving real problems or focusing on what you’re facing in your own lives."
He then went-on to talk about those evil wealthy people and corporations who are failing to pay their fair share because of loopholes (not those exact words, but close enough).
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 02:32 PM (o2lIv)
Now Sarah has decided to go to movies and save her ammo for when she gets in the ring.
Any word from Kaptian Baine Capital the Worst on where HE stands on the budget deal ?
Present?
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at July 16, 2011 05:34 PM
Oh no, she doesn't have the Seal of Validation from The Deciders who shall be known as Krauthammer and Rove
Only "serious" candidates will get a look from the great independent moderates who will vote based on what their favorite celebrities and Jon Stewart tell them
Posted by: The Guys Who Don't Rock the Boat at July 16, 2011 02:35 PM (so1xa)
Posted by: Breaker19 at July 16, 2011 02:35 PM (qdI7N)
Posted by: average commie bastard at July 16, 2011 02:36 PM (ECjvn)
$7 for a two pack vs a 24 pack for $12, but legal.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 02:36 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 16, 2011 02:37 PM (btzPD)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 16, 2011 02:38 PM (AF1jB)
Best we can do until election time.
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 02:38 PM (ECjvn)
Barry is Hoover for a new generation.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 02:38 PM (GTbGH)
Goddamned Fox. They're having a panel debate about who is at fault on the debt limit. The Democrat operative is saying that the Republicans have run up the debt.
And nobody's challenging her on that.
Damn.
Posted by: Truman North at July 16, 2011 02:39 PM (K2wpv)
The Federal Debt when the Democrats took the Congress in 2007 was $8,670,596,242,973.04.
The debt last thursday was 14,342,953,885,641.98
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 02:40 PM (GTbGH)
Canadian, actually. But your point is still valid.
Difference is, we've finally elected a solid Conservative majority up here (the word doesn't mean the same thing as down south, of course). Partly because our Prime Minister decided a while ago that he wouldn't play the media's game... but that they would play *his.* He simply doesn't care if they call him a big meanie, and his government ministers regularly refuse to grant interviews with the fifth column. Hasn't hurt the party in the least. Quite the contrary.
American politics is just a spectator sport for me. And I'm rooting for "your" team. But I just don't see any of the "electable" Republicans with half the guts it'll take to stand up to the onslaught of the 2012 election campaign. You had a real opportunity with Palin, I think, but instead of protecting her and grooming her the GOP just piled on with the Dems and Media (but I repeat myself) in trying to marginalize and ridicule her. Good plan. See where that leads next year.
Posted by: BritishContrarian@gmail.com at July 16, 2011 02:41 PM (8/oXo)
I think Congress should pass a wheelchair tax. A big one. And if you don't pay it, they take away your wheelchair and give Tiny Tim crutches to use.
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 16, 2011 02:41 PM (AF1jB)
I've been saying this since this debate started, Fox is NOT our friend on this one. (or many for that matter)
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 02:42 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 16, 2011 02:43 PM (btzPD)
Fox is not our friend on most issues. The tabloid trash is tough to take and generally makes them look unserious.
Harris Faulkner and Jamie Colby, though? Very easy to take. I'd like to take them back to my lair and vavoom!
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 16, 2011 02:45 PM (AF1jB)
Posted by: hinds ward at July 16, 2011 02:45 PM (GTbGH)
http://tinyurl.com/62ddv44
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 06:33 PM (ECjvn)
Huh, GE, the main manufacturer of these environmentally disasterous pieces of shit are behind it?
No surprise.
Posted by: ErikW at July 16, 2011 02:45 PM (Jl/6S)
That kind of thunderstorm?
Yep. I could feel it in my fillings when the strikes were about to jump.
Crazy shit.
Posted by: garrett at July 16, 2011 02:46 PM (kPmFw)
Yikes! Crazy Thunderstorm brewing. Hail. Groundstrike lightning...it's on!
That's just the gods telling us that Barry has displeased them. He thinks he's one of them.
Posted by: pep at July 16, 2011 02:46 PM (6TB1Z)
"The plan will slice $88,000 to $122,000 from Members' budgets (6.4% cut)."
Said appropriator Steve LaTourette (R-OH), "It's time we fight back against the budgeteers and say, 'You know what? We deserve money to fund the third co-equal branch of government.'"
Appropriators just love to hate budgeteers.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 02:47 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 16, 2011 02:47 PM (btzPD)
Posted by: Jengu, an archaic water deity still worshipped by some of the Sawa people in Africa at July 16, 2011 02:47 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Ginger Ale at July 16, 2011 02:47 PM (uhxcs)
Okay, your cut is now 12.8%. Who else wants to complain?
Posted by: Mightily irritated electorate at July 16, 2011 02:48 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 02:48 PM (piMMO)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 16, 2011 02:49 PM (AF1jB)
I like to think she doesn't have a single tan line on her body.
Tan Line Free since 1836 - Big Boy!
Posted by: Helen Thomas at July 16, 2011 02:51 PM (kPmFw)
We have the votes to get rid of it, but dipshit wanted to get credit for trying to repeal it without actually pissing off GE's wallet and the moonbats.
Pussy.
Kudos for whoever went ahead and struck the blow by getting the voice vote.
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 02:52 PM (ECjvn)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 16, 2011 02:52 PM (AF1jB)
K-hammer is rather a odd duck. From what I know of him he always takes the conservative view. It gives cause to pause whenever someone always supports a conservative or liberal view. His recient response for Republicans to call Obama's bluff is highly irresponsible and rather silly. The consequences of not raising the debt ceiling would be very sever. To encourge a party to play chicken with the debt ceiling is absolutly reckless and disingenous. If any thing we should be encouraging the parties to stop posturing and put country before party. The fact that the Republican party, taken over by Eric Canter lunatic fraction, refuses to clinch the deal unless there are no limiations to corporate welfare or no taxes on the uber rich in this kind of a economic setting should stur the ire of most of the middle class to such a degree that they would hammer (no pun intended) the Republicans at the polls in 2012 and 2014. Perhaps the seniors might take note but for the most part the citizens of this country are politically lobatomized.
Posted by: Gene Colombini at July 16, 2011 02:53 PM (jmsst)
Posted by: rabidfox at July 16, 2011 02:54 PM (bXlDE)
Posted by: Breaker19 at July 16, 2011 02:55 PM (qdI7N)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 16, 2011 02:57 PM (AF1jB)
Thank you Al Gore.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 02:58 PM (GTbGH)
That would be Joe Barton (R-TX), who banked on Dem support to help him cross the finish line. But the Dems, seeing the suspension of the rules listed on the schedule, whipped their caucus to vote nay.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 02:58 PM (o2lIv)
Goddamn those successful bastards!
If we could tax all your straw men we could balance the budget.
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 02:58 PM (ECjvn)
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 06:52 PM (ECjvn)
Rep Joe Barton really screwed the pooch on that one, but at least he made up for it later by attaching this bill to the energy bill and allowing it to pass by voice vote.
The Republicans are their own worst enemies at times.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 16, 2011 02:59 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 16, 2011 03:02 PM (btzPD)
Maybe , if we (conservatives) grab a majority in 2012, that could be addressed.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 16, 2011 03:02 PM (ud5dN)
Posted by: Gene Colombini at July 16, 2011 03:02 PM (jmsst)
Reid and Pelosi wouldn't let Democrats vote with Republicans to cure cancer right now.
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 03:03 PM (ECjvn)
Michael Burgess (R-TX) presented this one.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 03:03 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 16, 2011 03:03 PM (btzPD)
Posted by: Otter at July 16, 2011 03:04 PM (Fw2Gg)
Instead of going nuclear, I'm going to assume this is Average Joe.
That is what AJ's schtick is costing us.
Posted by: Waterhouse at July 16, 2011 03:04 PM (7c8Cd)
Do we get to quit paying taxes as well? Because that would be a win-win I think.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 03:04 PM (GTbGH)
Tuesday:
H.R. 2560: Cut, Cap, and Balance Act of 2011 (Subject to a Rule) (Sponsored by Rep. Jason Chaffetz / Budget Committee / Rules Committee / Ways and Means Committee)
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 03:06 PM (o2lIv)
President of the Liberals of America?
King Barak Hussein Obama I?
Remember, this little bitch isn't going to be president forever. Are you comfortable with the next Republican president killing Planned Infanticide, Unions, and AIDS Research?
He don;t get to be any more of a monarch than he's already being.
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 03:06 PM (ECjvn)
Posted by: blaster at July 16, 2011 03:06 PM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 16, 2011 03:07 PM (AF1jB)
If I were Obama...
If I were Obama... I'd issue an Executive Order finding Maria Molina in violation of the NAFTA treaty for smuggling those luscious melons around without the proper paperwork from the Dept. of Agriculture.
Then I'd sentence her to solitary confinement, in my pants, for the next 30 days.
Posted by: garrett at July 16, 2011 03:10 PM (kPmFw)
Posted by: Waterhouse at July 16, 2011 03:12 PM (7c8Cd)
Posted by: Ginger Ale at July 16, 2011 03:13 PM (uhxcs)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 16, 2011 03:14 PM (AF1jB)
Posted by: Priests of The Temples of Syrinx at July 16, 2011 03:15 PM (Y1/2j)
Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 16, 2011 06:52 PM
The first time I saw Maria Molina I thought Laurie Dhue had come back as a brunette
Posted by: kbdabear at July 16, 2011 03:16 PM (so1xa)
I'd like to see the Republicans come out and simply offer Ryan's income and corporate tax reforms as part of a debt reduction package.
10% and 25% income tax
0% capital gains
8.5% business consumption tax
Hold a press conference every day explaining why this type of tax reform would save the economy and generate enough income to actually start us on the road to running balanced budgets again.
Let that a$$hole lecture everyone about eating their peas. Why don't the Republicans start talking about ECONOMIC GROWTH instead of just austerity?
Austerity is needed, but it ain't gonna win any elections.
Posted by: stickety at July 16, 2011 03:17 PM (FUDwf)
Priests of The Temples of Syrinx at July 16, 2011 07:15 PM (Y1/2j)
If all the gifts of life are held within your walls, what are you doing here?
Posted by: garrett at July 16, 2011 03:17 PM (kPmFw)
I like it!
Posted by: Karl Rove at July 16, 2011 03:17 PM (so1xa)
If one of the club is proven full of shit, then it opens the possibility that more than one of the elites is full of shit.
Then people may actually expect some right answers ahead of time instead of 20/20 hindsight and jibber jabber.
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 03:18 PM (ECjvn)
The first time I saw Maria Molina I thought ...
The first time I saw Maria Molina a dearth of brain blood prevented me from thinking.
Posted by: garrett at July 16, 2011 03:19 PM (kPmFw)
This crappy youtube remix is as close of a clip as it gets.
http://tinyurl.com/62uzckh
Posted by: Shiggz at July 16, 2011 03:20 PM (mLAWK)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 16, 2011 03:21 PM (oWKv8)
If one of the club is proven full of shit, then it opens the possibility that more than one of the elites is full of shit.
Then people may actually expect some right answers ahead of time instead of 20/20 hindsight and jibber jabber.
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 07:18 PM
When the MBM carries the JEF's water and covers his ass, it's not so much him personally, but a defense of their own philosophies, policies, and viewpoints. If the epitome of the leftist elite educated class fails, that would be psychologically catastrophic
It would mean they'd realize that no matter how educated they are, everything they know is wrong and their credentials are nothing more than a journal of how and where they killed some time
Posted by: kbdabear at July 16, 2011 03:23 PM (so1xa)
Gene, Average Joe, whoever you are out there ...
FUCK YOU TOO !!!!
Posted by: Lt Col Frank Slade at July 16, 2011 03:24 PM (so1xa)
Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 16, 2011 03:26 PM (btzPD)
Posted by: garrett at July 16, 2011 03:27 PM (kPmFw)
The last great president we had went to Eureka Collega.
The four Ivy leaguers who followed him have all had significant flaws, to say the least.
Posted by: stickety at July 16, 2011 03:29 PM (FUDwf)
Posted by: Journolist at July 16, 2011 03:30 PM (Fb9Q0)
President Dunsel?
Posted by: Spock at July 16, 2011 03:31 PM (so1xa)
Posted by: Skookumchuk at July 16, 2011 03:33 PM (btzPD)
Not one of these people who presume to tell us what to think every afternoon would march in the street or sully themselves.
Statler and Waldorf.
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 03:36 PM (ECjvn)
She regained my respect with this:
Mila Kunis, Justin Timberlake: Yes, We're Going to Marine Corps Ball!
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 16, 2011 03:36 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Barack Daystrom at July 16, 2011 03:41 PM (so1xa)
brb, er eating a calzone
That poor Calzone...
remember, Mohammed says you can't eat it for three days, now.
Wouldn't be Halal.
Posted by: garrett at July 16, 2011 03:43 PM (kPmFw)
Customs agent: Anything to declare?
MM: They're real, and they're magnificent!
Posted by: pep at July 16, 2011 03:48 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Ginger Ale at July 16, 2011 03:48 PM (uhxcs)
I get the vibe that Justin Timberlake is on our side. I hope it's true.
While hope is the first step on the road to disappointment, I'll unbend a little and join you in hoping JT is on the level.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 16, 2011 03:50 PM (c0A3e)
Uh, no. I'm pretty sure he campaigned hard for the miserable clusterfuck that is the Man-Child in Chief.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 16, 2011 03:51 PM (mSGsZ)
After next Friday, I think there will be a rush to make patriotic flag-waving movies.
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 03:54 PM (ECjvn)
VoteForChange.com: Vote in the Box
Is it possible JT has had a change of heart? Maybe, but if he has changed, I'm not seeing any public record of it. Damn it.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 16, 2011 03:57 PM (c0A3e)
True. And even if JT's intentions aren't the purist of the pure, this will still help the Marines and the Armed Forces in general.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 16, 2011 03:59 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: Breaker19 at July 16, 2011 04:01 PM (qdI7N)
Posted by: kbdabear at July 16, 2011 04:02 PM (so1xa)
Could it be that this could be used to show how friendly the Hollywood commies are to our troops?
How all these 1st Tier Obama cultists are all chummy with the grunts?
Before a draw down in Shitcanistan. And an election.
Can't let rightwing nuts like Gary Sinise get all the good publicity.
hmmmm
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 04:02 PM (ECjvn)
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 04:03 PM (ECjvn)
While hope is the first step on the road to disappointment, I'll unbend a little and join you in hoping JT is on the level.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 16, 2011 07:50 PM (c0A3e)
Hey! Prettty boy might be on it! I always defer to the positive!
Posted by: ErikW at July 16, 2011 05:00 PM (Jl/6S)
I got a real kick reading all the posts. The truth is that Boehner is way out of his league trying to go up against the President and he will be out-maneuvered just like last year. I hope he doesnÂ’t cry too much.
Posted by: Ronald Raygun at July 16, 2011 06:29 PM (5Vw+f)
As for asshat @395, Bohner may be a numb nuts, but at least he doesn't lie with reckless abandon.
Posted by: Great Reagan's Ghost at July 16, 2011 08:59 PM (C06Qq)
There is the problem that most the GOP Ludite LOSERship doesn't appear to know how to dial into talk radio or google up a top conservative blog on this strange 'passing' thing known as the internet...
Unlike Clinton's centralized response team, the CRRT it's dispersed like swarming bees that can't be taken out with a couple easy shots to a centralized core. Plus, most of the big targets (like Rush) own a 3 hour per day window to respond to any take out attempt. Yes, the swarm can't easily get face time on the PRESSSSidential media. Like that would happen with a GOP RRT?
Posted by: drfredc at July 16, 2011 09:25 PM (iNKlO)
We do it this way, telling the nation we have to because Obama cannot be trusted since he's been lying his butt off for weeks on the issue and refuses to get specific.
If Reid won't take it up, or Obama vetoes it, then the results are theirs to own.
Posted by: Adjoran at July 16, 2011 10:30 PM (VfmLu)
Posted by: Ronald Raygun at July 17, 2011 08:08 AM (X4meW)
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 17, 2011 08:49 AM (zsvKP)
Posted by: Ronald Raygun at July 17, 2011 12:05 PM (X4meW)
We don't need a plan; we just need to say no to any debt ceiling deal and we would get the same impact as if we had a BBA in place and all the court litigation was over and it was passed.
No deal is the best deal America will get and it means an end to the liberal spending marathon. Quick - react to that!
Posted by: Clint Lovell at July 17, 2011 02:24 PM (1yP+V)
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Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 10:56 AM (ECjvn)