July 20, 2011
— Ace Good Christie quote here at Verum Serum (video).
Asked about the debt limit, Christie first offers up the independent-flattering pox-on-all-houses "they should just fix it."
Fine.
But then he turns to Obama. And offers the opinion -- which the press corps cannot believe, so absurd it is -- that a president, the chief executive, is expected to lead with his own plan and his own ideas and his own specific proposal, and not just sit back "waiting for legislators to lead."
He notes that the did not just "wait for legislators to lead" himself.
Crazy!
Meanwhile, Christie lays out his reasons for not running in 2012, in a meeting with donors.
Basically, Christie spoke to donors via conference call, because one among them, a guy named Lagonne, begged him to run for President. Here's what he said:
ere’s a paraphrase of what Christie told his would-be backers: “I’m not running, but I came because Langone is so aggressive, he basically just physically shook me into doing it. I’ve weighed this carefully; I didn’t dismiss it out of hand. There were four considerations. 1) One question was: Where’s my wife? She’s not enthused. 2) The second is: I looked ahead at the potential for two years of running, and not seeing my kids. If I won, six years of not seeing them. If I won a second term, 10 years of not seeing them. Missing my kids growing up is a big deal to me, and it was a big reason. The wife was the biggest. The children were the second. 3) I’m staying in New Jersey. I am not just going to quit halfway through my term. The people trusted me, and I feel like I owe that trust and faith some fidelity. 4) And fourth: Could I win? Could I really do it? I think I would win — not saying I would win, but I could win. I brought my oldest son today because, first of all, I wanted him to wake up early. And, second of all, to have to put on his one suit and tie. But I wanted him to listen because if I did run, which I’m not going to — but if I did in the future — it’s going to affect him. There’s six people in the family — I’m just one. I recognize that not all of you would immediately commit, but it certainly makes me realize that if I were to run, and had this group were behind me, I certainly wouldn’t have any problem raising money.”
Anyway. He's not running.
Tammy Bruce reads this as some kind of a dig at Palin.
I will say what I said on Twitter. Palin is very, very important to some people. But those people have to understand their passion is not shared by all.
So when someone like Christie purports to be talking about his own wife and children, chances are, he's really talking about his own wife and children, and not, in fact, giving coded messages dissing Palin.
Most people do not think about Palin all that much. It is a simple error of projection to mistake one's own enthusiasm for her as universal.
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Posted by: Alex #11 at July 20, 2011 12:55 PM (ZqjdP)
We get it already, Tammy. We really do.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2011 12:56 PM (FVwu5)
Glad we got that out of the way. Now we can actually debate the merits of his comments.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 20, 2011 12:56 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: eastvalleyphx at July 20, 2011 12:57 PM (qiOph)
Posted by: Alex #11 at July 20, 2011 12:57 PM (ZqjdP)
Posted by: fluffy weaves a tangled web at July 20, 2011 12:57 PM (SwkdU)
Posted by: t-bird at July 20, 2011 12:57 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 20, 2011 12:58 PM (lbo6/)
I don't understand why some of her fans throw her into things she's not a part of in a way that really is kinda ugly.
She actually deserves better.
Christie is a remarkable man, and I really appreciate how he's explaining this. This is sincere, and had nothing at all to do with Palin. It's true that Christie would probably back of her opponents if she even runs, but that is ideological. They are OBVIOUSLY very similar people, and if you respect one, you probably respect both.
I used to think Palin's worst fans were fakes trying to drag her down, but I know now that some of them really think this is helpful to her. It's not. She doesn't want that. She may not even be running if Perry is running. We need to work together. Maybe sometimes we split into factions, but for the most part, Palin and Christie are allied on what matters the most... which by the way is not their personal ambition.
Posted by: Dustin at July 20, 2011 12:59 PM (519+h)
What kind of mental contortions did Tammy Bruce do to consider The Round Mound of Fiscal Soundness' statement to be a dig at SarahCuda?
Those sound like good reasons to me. He already has a job and a family and apparently something new these days, a loyalty to the folks who elected him.
And, Tammy that's not a dig at Palin, either.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 20, 2011 12:59 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Jane D'oh, ducking out of a Palin thread at July 20, 2011 01:00 PM (UOM48)
Don't look at Christie's poll numbers in NJ. We think he can sway the great moderate middle who'll vote for Obama based on fat jokes told by Jon Stewart
Posted by: Poll Watchers Anonymous at July 20, 2011 01:00 PM (so1xa)
Posted by: Desperate Conservative at July 20, 2011 01:00 PM (jeLTI)
Posted by: The Last NASA Astronauts at July 20, 2011 01:01 PM (yQWNf)
Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2011 01:01 PM (ECjvn)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 20, 2011 01:01 PM (lbo6/)
Posted by: Jane D'oh, ducking out of a Palin thread at July 20, 2011 05:00 PM (UOM4
Agreed. Hittin' the gym. Have fun guys.
Posted by: eastvalleyphx at July 20, 2011 01:01 PM (qiOph)
McDonnell: With such a force arrayed against us, it is time to discuss other options.
Tea Party Wallace: Other options? Don't you wish at least to lead your men onto the field and barter a better deal with Obama before you tuck tail and run?
McDonnell: We can not defeat this president and the media.
Tea Party Wallace: We can! And we will! We won in 2010, and still you quibble. We won in Wisconsin, and in Minnesota, and you would not support us. If you will not stand up with us now then I say you're a coward. And if you are conservative, I am ashamed to call myself one.
Posted by: the dandy at July 20, 2011 01:01 PM (1h53u)
Posted by: Governor Feelgood at July 20, 2011 01:01 PM (MMC8r)
oh, wait.....wrong Palin. I thought you meant Cleopatra Lashonda Palin
Posted by: SantaRosaStan, homey at July 20, 2011 01:01 PM (UqKQV)
Posted by: Mark Levin, The Great One at July 20, 2011 01:02 PM (mpX2c)
Most people do not think about Palin all that much. It is a simple error of projection to mistake one's own enthusiasm for her as universal.
But this is only because more people don't know her! If only people would just let Palin be Palin...*sarc*
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 20, 2011 01:03 PM (c0A3e)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at July 20, 2011 01:03 PM (eOXTH)
Heh, reminds me of my dad.
Posted by: Xander Crews at July 20, 2011 01:04 PM (Uuon/)
Posted by: cherry π at July 20, 2011 01:04 PM (OhYCU)
I will say what I said on Twitter. Palin is very, very important to some people. But those people have to understand their passion is not shared by all.
Agreed - and I would say likewise about Christie.
He wouldn't get my vote, for instance. 
Posted by: HondaV65 at July 20, 2011 01:04 PM (8NiWI)
Posted by: Are We Having Fun Yet at July 20, 2011 01:04 PM (O7Q1u)
McDonnell: With such a force arrayed against us, it is time to discuss other options.
Tea Party Wallace: Other options? Don't you wish at least to lead your men onto the field and barter a better deal with Obama before you tuck tail and run?
McDonnell: We can not defeat this president and the media.
Tea Party Wallace: We can! And we will! We won in 2010, and still you quibble. We won in Wisconsin, and in Minnesota, and you would not support us. If you will not stand up with us now then I say you're a coward. And if you are conservative, I am ashamed to call myself one.
Gold.
That sums up how I feel about these GOP squish cocksuckers in Washington DC perfectly.
Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2011 01:04 PM (ECjvn)
And, Tammy that's not a dig at Palin, either.
It is when the truth hurts.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 20, 2011 01:04 PM (mpX2c)
Posted by: toby928™ at July 20, 2011 01:04 PM (GTbGH)
What is he talking about? I'm sure the media will leave his family alone just like they are doing with the Obama kids.
Yeah, sure, Palin's family deserved it because she "paraded" them around by having them on stage and holding her baby in her arms (she's practically a pimp there) but all the Obama's have done is include their kids in staged photo ops, so there's just no comparison, what is Christie worried about?
Posted by: AmishDude at July 20, 2011 01:04 PM (T0NGe)
He will also continue to loom large on the radar at Newark, JFK and LaGuardia.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at July 20, 2011 01:05 PM (+lsX1)
Posted by: Denny Guzzleman-Schlitz at July 20, 2011 01:05 PM (kljcd)
Posted by: Nickie Goomba at July 20, 2011 01:05 PM (jeLTI)
A-fucking-men.
Posted by: Y-not at July 20, 2011 01:06 PM (5H6zj)
Social Networking
Anybody see this? Is it entertaining?
Why does the name Winklevoss irritate my ears?
Posted by: soothsayer at July 20, 2011 01:06 PM (G/zuv)
Heh, reminds me of my dad.
----
Yeah, I love the humor.
Posted by: Y-not at July 20, 2011 01:07 PM (5H6zj)
According to my wife, everyone is an ass. Anyone not an ass is a douche.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 20, 2011 01:08 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: SantaRosaStan, homey at July 20, 2011 01:08 PM (UqKQV)
Posted by: nickless at July 20, 2011 01:08 PM (MMC8r)
So, wait: Elway won't be starting for the Broncos this season?
Posted by: FireHorse at July 20, 2011 01:08 PM (DXbG2)
Sorry about that. I can't help myself.
Posted by: Tammee Bruce at July 20, 2011 01:09 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Jay and Silent Bob at July 20, 2011 01:10 PM (tqwMN)
Such as: Chris Christie's not running. I am.
Posted by: T-Paw at July 20, 2011 01:10 PM (s7mIC)
Hmmmm. According to mine, it's pretty much limited to me.
Posted by: pep at July 20, 2011 01:10 PM (6TB1Z)
Good editing. Even that BackStreetBoy ./ In Synch boy is good
Justin Turnipseed
Posted by: SantaRosaStan, homey at July 20, 2011 01:10 PM (UqKQV)
Posted by: Vic at July 20, 2011 01:11 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Dave at July 20, 2011 01:11 PM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: Mitch McConnell at July 20, 2011 01:11 PM (mpX2c)
According to my wife, everyone is an ass. Anyone not an ass is a douche.
Sounds like an astute observation.
The last thing I want to do is watch a movie without a single redeeming or likable character.
Posted by: soothsayer at July 20, 2011 01:11 PM (G/zuv)
Posted by: Soona at July 20, 2011 01:11 PM (PZiqP)
Posted by: Dan at July 20, 2011 01:11 PM (mXBxH)
Well then. Let me help out. I'm up for some inter-species nookie....
Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2011 01:11 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Mittens at July 20, 2011 01:13 PM (s7mIC)
But then, I realized that if he wanted to get a dig in at Palin, he'd just go ahead and damn well do it, kick ass, take names.
What a lot of us like about Christie is that he doesn't dance around issues, so it wouldn't be in character for him to suddenly go coy. If he wants to call Palin out, he'll call Palin out, I think. And nobody will have to read any tea leaves (no pun intended) to figure out what he's really trying to say.
So, I see nothing here beyond Christie's "fer Cheetos' sake, people, I'm not running, give it a rest already."
Posted by: filbert at July 20, 2011 01:13 PM (smvTK)
Posted by: toby928™ at July 20, 2011 05:10 PM (GTbGH)
No, but Natasha Henstridge had bodacious ta-tas
Posted by: SantaRosaStan, homey at July 20, 2011 01:13 PM (UqKQV)
Larry Summers on the Winkevoss twins:
"One of the things you learn as a college president is that if an undergraduate is wearing a tie and jacket on Thursday afternoon at three o'clock, there are two possibilities. One is that they're looking for a job and have an interview; the other is that they are an a**hole. This was the latter case."
Posted by: soothsayer at July 20, 2011 01:13 PM (G/zuv)
Posted by: alien sarah palin at July 20, 2011 01:13 PM (eOXTH)
Just funin' ya, Vic
In other news, 'The Five', this is the first time I've had a chance to watch it. P.U. Is it always this bad?
Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2011 01:13 PM (FVwu5)
So....... Sarah Palin or Natasha Henstridge in her prime?
Posted by: pep at July 20, 2011 01:13 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: Breaker19 at July 20, 2011 01:14 PM (qdI7N)
What HAS Palin™ said about the debt standoff?
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 20, 2011 01:15 PM (mpX2c)
Get real. Even 1/5 of a post that mentions Palin as an afterthought (from a silly statement by a radio host) makes it a Palin Thread. Moron Nationtm can't pass up provocation like that.
Posted by: nickless at July 20, 2011 01:15 PM (MMC8r)
The wife and kids stuff? not at all.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 20, 2011 01:15 PM (f9c2L)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at July 20, 2011 01:15 PM (eOXTH)
A."Can you beleive what the left did/said about her? They have become hysterical monsters, and don't even realize it."
B."Do you think overall she is a gain or loss for Conservatives and republicans?" (Answers weave around and end up uncertain and ambiguous)
C."Not sure I want her as President but I really like her out there fighting the the left everyday."
Posted by: Shiggz at July 20, 2011 01:16 PM (mLAWK)
we don't do it like you think we do.............
Posted by: alien sarah palin at July 20, 2011 05:13 PM (eOXTH)
We did make that movie . . . Aliens . . . that should have been a hint to earth humans . . .
Posted by: alien Sigourney Weaver at July 20, 2011 01:16 PM (smvTK)
Posted by: Worthless Stoner at July 20, 2011 01:16 PM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: pep at July 20, 2011 05:13 PM (6TB1Z)
no -- Natasha Henstridge, or Sarah Palin in her prime?
fine, or dandy?
Posted by: SantaRosaStan, homey at July 20, 2011 01:17 PM (UqKQV)
- some random alien
Posted by: cherry π at July 20, 2011 01:17 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Killerdog at July 20, 2011 01:18 PM (rER3C)
Posted by: Jillian at July 20, 2011 01:19 PM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at July 20, 2011 01:19 PM (lbo6/)
I saw a picture of Henstridge now, and she has put on quite a bit of weight. Still fine, but can't compete with modern Sarah, IMO.
Posted by: pep at July 20, 2011 01:19 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2011 05:15 PM (s7mIC)
naked Canadian chick with Hot Bod kills earthlings. Ben Kingsley with fake American accent tries to stop her. The guy from Resevoir Dogs makes out with the chick from CSI
Posted by: SantaRosaStan, homey at July 20, 2011 01:19 PM (UqKQV)
But he's not going that route. Even though he's in a blue state and would probably skyrocket in the polls.
Why? Probably a sense of personal honor.
Anyway, this isn't a passive aggressive catty guy. He will simply directly say what he wants to say. He is saying he cares about his family. Frankly, I don't see how that contradicts Palin's values, which are consistently concerned for her family's welfare above just about anything else.
Posted by: Dustin at July 20, 2011 01:19 PM (519+h)
Posted by: Breaker19 at July 20, 2011 01:20 PM (qdI7N)
Posted by: cherry π at July 20, 2011 01:20 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Ian S. at July 20, 2011 01:21 PM (tqwMN)
Burn the witch!! mentality strikes again
Posted by: SantaRosaStan, homey at July 20, 2011 01:21 PM (UqKQV)
As opposed to Barky and 'Chelle and their two punishments.
Posted by: No Whining at July 20, 2011 01:21 PM (0AClR)
Posted by: filbert at July 20, 2011 01:21 PM (smvTK)
But an invincible devotion to the same endlessly rehearsed handful of anti-Palin-run talking points is universal among squishes, and Christie's not-running spiel is a "derivative work," in legal terms, of that handful. And you know this.
Every time you pretend to be stupid to avoid any appearance of consortion with crackaz, your brain comes this much closer getting stuck like that.
Posted by: oblig. at July 20, 2011 01:21 PM (xvZW9)
His plan is for the President to have the courage to present his views directly, instead of in private. He realizes he is not in control, and that we're getting nowhere fast as a country without leadership.
His more detailed plans are for NJ, and he's doing a damn good job, full of specifics.
Posted by: Dustin at July 20, 2011 01:21 PM (519+h)
I was doing, um, research, yeah that's it. I'm a scientist. No, really!
Posted by: pep at July 20, 2011 01:21 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: mrshad at July 20, 2011 01:22 PM (Xqfwb)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at July 20, 2011 01:22 PM (ZDUD4)
naked Canadian chick with Hot Bod kills earthlings. Ben Kingsley with fake American accent tries to stop her. The guy from Resevoir Dogs makes out with the chick from CSI
Posted by: SantaRosaStan, homey at July 20, 2011 05:19 PM (UqKQV)
You're saying that there were other characters other than the naked Canadian chick with a hot bod? Hmmm. I guess I'll have to watch it again.
Posted by: Soona at July 20, 2011 01:22 PM (PZiqP)
Are you saying Christie is too big for his britches?
Posted by: Breaker19 at July 20, 2011 01:23 PM (qdI7N)
Posted by: G Joubert at July 20, 2011 01:23 PM (coZJ0)
A new book has just been written, Leadership, The Barack Obama way. In it, president Obama outlines how to best delegate responsibility so that the executive can fit the most golf into his schedule and best maximize and capitalize his handicap. Pull quote: "Hey, you guys figure it out, I'm going golfing."
Due in all Borders bookstores by the end of the week.
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at July 20, 2011 01:23 PM (tcSZb)
I will keep returning to haunt your every living, waking moment and darken your every second's sleep.
I can be invoked with but a single word.
Yes, that one word.
You want to say it.
You need to say it.
Go ahead.
Say it.
It starts with a P.
Go ahead.
It won't hurt.
You will learn to enjoy it.
Yes.
Yes.
Let it flow over your tongue.
Yes.
P . . .
P . . .
Pudding . . .
Posted by: zombie thread at July 20, 2011 01:23 PM (smvTK)
Posted by: Dan at July 20, 2011 01:23 PM (mXBxH)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 20, 2011 05:15 PM (mpX2c)
she endorsed Ryan's plan.
Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at July 20, 2011 01:23 PM (UrPTC)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at July 20, 2011 01:24 PM (eOXTH)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at July 20, 2011 05:22 PM (ZDUD4)
"Less is more".
Posted by: SantaRosaStan, Old Testament scholar & parable guru at July 20, 2011 01:24 PM (UqKQV)
Posted by: Tentmakers of America at July 20, 2011 01:24 PM (Xm1aB)
http://tinyurl.com/lt5qme
My rant:
If not for the first down hail mary- hamfisted - shit for brains McCain people had not ripped her out of the oven based on their own timer, Left to rise naturally she almost certainly would have become a more compelling and helpful character in the Conservative movement. If she keeps on how she has been of late she still may rise, just not as high as if she had been properly cooked before serving. I hope well take this lesson to heart with Conservative rising stars in the future.
Christie, Rubio etc.. etc..
Posted by: Shiggz at July 20, 2011 01:25 PM (mLAWK)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at July 20, 2011 01:25 PM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: toby928™ with pom poms at July 20, 2011 01:25 PM (GTbGH)
Oh yeah, I remember that. December, I believe it was.
What's her position on what's happening right now?
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 20, 2011 01:27 PM (mpX2c)
Posted by: Michael Moore at July 20, 2011 01:27 PM (Xm1aB)
next up: a Rick Perry post about him maybe running
in it we'll have the usual stuff about him being a former Democrat and the thing about the hoo-hoo virus vaccine
Posted by: soothsayer at July 20, 2011 01:28 PM (G/zuv)
Oh, what was that sound I just heard with my racist white ears?
Air Force One taking off for another Barry Obama funcation.
Man needs his rest from delegating so hard.
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at July 20, 2011 01:28 PM (tcSZb)
Very sad link from the previous thread on CERN. Damn, I'm becoming an endangered species. I wonder how I can play this to my advantage?
Posted by: pep at July 20, 2011 01:29 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: exceller at July 20, 2011 01:29 PM (jx2Td)
Posted by: Michael Steele at July 20, 2011 05:22 PM (Dqb/n)
Take that back, you imbecile.
Posted by: National Organization of Retarded People at July 20, 2011 01:30 PM (qdI7N)
Posted by: toby928™ with pom poms at July 20, 2011 05:25 PM (GTbGH)
Ace is just getting us all lathered up for another movie review.
Posted by: Soona at July 20, 2011 01:30 PM (PZiqP)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 20, 2011 05:27 PM (mpX2c)
her latest wall post on fb. really not hard to find.Yes, IÂ’m for a balanced budget amendment and for enforceable spending caps.
Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at July 20, 2011 01:30 PM (UrPTC)
They work from home.
Posted by: toby928™ with pom poms at July 20, 2011 01:31 PM (GTbGH)
Obama: There Is No "I" In Incompetent
Obama: Delegating the Blame and Appropriating the Praise
Posted by: WalrusRex at July 20, 2011 01:32 PM (TVvXc)
Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at July 20, 2011 01:32 PM (UrPTC)
Before 9/11 I was a Democrat. I'm a former death-metal bassist, so I was never exposed to conservative ideals. What made me wake up was Bush standing on the rubble of the World Trade Center saying, "I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon."
I don't regret changing my politics. But what I miss about being a lefty is the fact that we never ate our own at the nearly pathological level that conservatives eat theirs.
I don't like hunting. I'm pro-choice, even though I hate abortion. I'm not comfortable with the deeply religious. But I 'd vote for Palin in a second. I think she's fine. She's inspirational. I don't love her, but then again I don't love any politician.
I can tell you that as a former Democrat, leftists hate conservatives. They hate conservatives the way a sane person hates al Qaeda. They want to kill conservatives. They want to rape and humiliate them. But you know who else hates conservatives?
Conservatives. The vitriol that conservatives express at their own side matches the vitriol of Democrats. Easily. It's simply not politically functional. Just because one feels something doesn't mean one has to express it in public. I'm often horrified at the sentiments I read on conservative Web sites.
But I'm on board defeating liberalism, so I'm bringing my formerly leftist message discipline to the fight. I keep my mouth shut, and I don't trash anyone on my side. I wish more conservatives would do the same.
Posted by: Llarry at July 20, 2011 01:32 PM (uQA8F)
LOL, not too many Morons here who know about Junior Samples and Lake Lanier.
Posted by: Vic at July 20, 2011 01:33 PM (M9Ie6)
hmmm.. via ZH
Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at July 20, 2011 01:34 PM (UrPTC)
I'm not sure where Palin comes into the picture. And who's Tammy Bruce?
"But those people have to understand their passion is not shared by all." Yep, I stopped going to some of the Palin sites, they seem to worship her, its bizarre, very bizarre.
When I reregister as a repub for the primaries, if Perry is in, he's got my repub primary vote. If Palin is the repub nomiee, fine, she's got my vote, but in my opinion Palin had been too damaged, and I'd rather spend time beating Obama, than defending Palin. So I'd rather have a candidate who can beat Obama, #1 priority.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at July 20, 2011 01:34 PM (ACkhT)
Hmmm. Hmmm.
I like your comment. I don't subscribe to it most days but it's food for thought.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2011 01:35 PM (FVwu5)
Thanks. Llarry. Wish you had been around this weekend for the Cain hate-fest. Some people need to get a little perspective.
Posted by: pep at July 20, 2011 01:35 PM (6TB1Z)
Posted by: cherry π at July 20, 2011 01:36 PM (OhYCU)
Tammy Bruce is a talk show host. She fills in for Laura Ingraham some times.
Frankly, I find her to be like nails on a blackboard. Unless you're fuming with outrage, I can't see how people listen to her, even if what she's saying is appealing.
Posted by: nickless at July 20, 2011 01:36 PM (MMC8r)
I also just mentioned you this weekend. Haven't seen you around these parts lately.
Posted by: pep at July 20, 2011 01:37 PM (6TB1Z)
I was reading Larry's comment above and thinking how I miss John Recent Ex-Dem reminding us in every single comment for a couple of years that he's a former Democrat.
Posted by: soothsayer at July 20, 2011 01:37 PM (G/zuv)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 20, 2011 05:27 PM (mpX2c)
Why the hell do you care so much. You hate her. Why should it be a big thing or make a difference with you if she's said anything or not? It's like she's living rent-free in your head or something.
Posted by: Soona at July 20, 2011 01:37 PM (PZiqP)
pot sucks the ambition out of you and fills the void with junk food
Yeah. But unfortunately, it has some negative effects, too.
Posted by: sandy burger at July 20, 2011 01:38 PM (XyoGP)
Still, a little fire discipline now and then would be appreciated.
Posted by: AoSHQ's *second* worst commenter, DarkLord© at July 20, 2011 01:38 PM (GBXon)
Posted by: toby928™ with pom poms at July 20, 2011 01:39 PM (GTbGH)
It's not a stretch for those among her supporters who assume that the political universe revolves solely around Sarah Palin. For examples, read any thread about any presidential candidate at Hot Air.
For the rest of us, we read it as "I don't want to quit halfway through my first term", not as "I'm not going to quit like that stupid quitter Sarah Palin did".
Posted by: Hollowpoint at July 20, 2011 01:39 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Concern Toll Conservative Christian Moby at July 20, 2011 01:39 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Media at July 20, 2011 01:39 PM (Xm1aB)
Heh, that was easy. Who, besides the Democrats, isn't?
So, does this mean she supported the CCB bill that passed the House? What has she had to say about the McConnell plan? What's her take on the noises Moody is making about downgrading us? Does she think it's worth looking for a compromise to prevent that, or should we draw a line in the sand? Does she think anything can prevent that?
What does Sarah Palin™ think we should do?
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 20, 2011 01:40 PM (mpX2c)
Progressive Conservative/Classical Liberal percentages are here at AoS?
Mark me down in the Classical Liberal column.
Posted by: Pooter Hound at July 20, 2011 01:40 PM (le5qc)
Man uses obscure law to claim ownership of $300k home in upscale Texas town... for just $16
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 20, 2011 01:40 PM (c0A3e)
Tammy or Laura? I've read one or two of Tammy's books but only have heard her on CSPAN2.
Laura's voice drives me up the wall even if I agree with her.
Posted by: Dr. Varno at July 20, 2011 01:40 PM (QMtmy)
"Haven't seen you around these parts lately. "
Work, work and more work. Hard to stay in business with the Obama depression gaining speed, trampling on businesses, especially small businesses everywhere.
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at July 20, 2011 01:40 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at July 20, 2011 05:34 PM (ACkhT)
So I can cownt on your support?
Posted by: Elmer Fudd at July 20, 2011 01:41 PM (qdI7N)
"reminding us in every single comment for a couple of years that he's a former Democrat."
LOL, LOL. There you go, another comment to remind everyone. :-)
Posted by: johnc_recent_EXdem at July 20, 2011 01:42 PM (ACkhT)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 20, 2011 01:42 PM (TMB3S)
After all, we must go along to get along with our friends on the other side and and create green jobs to save the economy.
Posted by: Concern Troll Conservative Christian Moby at July 20, 2011 01:42 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: stuiec at July 20, 2011 01:42 PM (H+BuT)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at July 20, 2011 01:42 PM (ZDUD4)
Mr. fucking Ace of Spades is solely responsible for the Palinizing of this story.
Posted by: hoto at July 20, 2011 01:43 PM (sJE7i)
Posted by: Concern Troll Conservative Christian Moby at July 20, 2011 01:45 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2011 01:45 PM (FVwu5)
Several of LangoneÂ’s guests said during the session that they are Republicans, but voted for Barack Obama in 2008 because they disagreed with having Sarah Palin on the GOP ticket.
Maybe I should vote for the Dem in 2016 if Chris Christie is the R nominee and I disagree with him being on the ticket. Christie and his east-coast elitist RINO establishment fanbois can go fuck themselves sideways with a pineapple.
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at July 20, 2011 01:45 PM (IoUF1)
What does Sarah Palin™ think we should do?
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 20, 2011 05:40 PM (mpX2c)
so you didn't read it then? ok. and answering your other questions. I have no idea. she's not my choice. just thought you were being sincere I see you weren't so i'm done.
Posted by: The Great Satan's Ghost at July 20, 2011 01:46 PM (UrPTC)
Posted by: Dave at July 20, 2011 01:46 PM (Xm1aB)
Dammit.
Your request was denied because of its content categorization: "Adult/Mature Content;Entertainment;Audio/Video Clips"
Posted by: toby928™ with pom poms at July 20, 2011 01:47 PM (GTbGH)
Exactly. There's a happy medium between marching in lockstep and doing everything in your power to delegitimize candidates and entire voting blocks on your own side.
I think Ace said that it was Palin's supporters that turned him off Palin. I'm sorry, but that doesn't make sense. Palin's ideas are what's important. It shouldn't matter how obnoxious you think her supporters are.
I support the ideas that can save us from the disaster that looms or might already be here. I read Palin's Facebook essays but not the comments. I don't care what her supporters or detractors have to say.
After I read her essays, I send them to people.
Message discipline.
Posted by: Llarry at July 20, 2011 01:48 PM (uQA8F)
No, I don't follow her Facebook page. I don't watch Sean Hannity either.
As you can understand, this doesn't leave me many options for finding out what Our One Great Hope actually believes.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 20, 2011 01:49 PM (mpX2c)
Aaawww, gouv, fear not, eggsandbacon, blighty whut?
Posted by: Wdavisterry at July 20, 2011 01:50 PM (EG/p1)
I believe that was the point.
Posted by: toby928™ with pom poms at July 20, 2011 01:51 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: buzzion at July 20, 2011 05:50 PM (oVQFe)
oh
sorry, didn't mean to get anyone in trouble
I'll use youtube in the future
Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2011 01:51 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Dave at July 20, 2011 01:52 PM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: Llarry at July 20, 2011 05:48 PM (uQA8F)
You're either very sincere or on meds. If you're on meds, please send some to Jeff B and Undead.
Posted by: Soona at July 20, 2011 01:52 PM (PZiqP)
Oh, I know she believes in America, gosh darn it.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 20, 2011 01:52 PM (mpX2c)
You're either very sincere or on meds. If you're on meds, please send some to Jeff B and Undead.
Posted by: Soona at July 20, 2011 05:52 PM (PZiqP)
it's the way that you should take every politician
Posted by: The Dude at July 20, 2011 01:54 PM (Ig1Wo)
>>I'm often horrified at the sentiments I read on conservative Web sites.
I think you may have been doing that death-metal thing wrong.
No. Every death-metalhead is a leftist. Every. Single. One.
GWAR disembowels Sarah Palin:
http://tinyurl.com/2urm8xa
This is what metalheads want to do to all conservatives. Metal is about hating mommy and daddy.
Posted by: Llarry at July 20, 2011 01:54 PM (uQA8F)
We're all well aware that even if you did read her facebook notes on it you'd just say she didn't really write it because she's an inbred chilbilly retard.
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at July 20, 2011 01:54 PM (IoUF1)
Posted by: Dave at July 20, 2011 01:55 PM (Xm1aB)
He's always been pretty liberal on some issues. I don't mind; he does his most important job perfectly.
Posted by: sandy burger at July 20, 2011 01:55 PM (XyoGP)
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 20, 2011 01:56 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: The Schwalbe : © at July 20, 2011 01:58 PM (UU0OF)
Methinks one should take what Christie said at face value. He's never struck me as anyone that wouldn't unhesitatingly speak his mind.
I don't want to see him run for president, until he finishes what was begun in NJ. Win, lose, or draw, it'll be enlightening. What an accomplishment, to turn the state into a functioning entity.
But it's gonna be Sarah, you betcha.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 20, 2011 02:00 PM (ud5dN)
Posted by: sandy burger at July 20, 2011 05:55 PM (XyoGP)
not for me, he fails half of my 2 principals for voting (the gun shit)
Posted by: The Dude at July 20, 2011 02:00 PM (Ig1Wo)
Nope, no articles about the debt-ceiling fight.... I checked her wall, too, but all I'm seeing there are links to stories about the aborted bus tour, Bristol™'s book signing, and the movie we've been told Sarah™ had absolutely nothing to do with.
Maybe her thoughts on current events are buried down in the comments somewhere, but I'm not digging through all of those.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 20, 2011 02:02 PM (mpX2c)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 20, 2011 02:04 PM (mpX2c)
Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2011 02:07 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2011 02:07 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: chemjeff at July 20, 2011 06:07 PM (s7mIC)
I know he can't do much but it still doesn't mean I'll vote for someone with those views (I'm of a L. Neil Smith libertarian thought of everyone owns and is packing at all times)
Posted by: The Dude at July 20, 2011 02:10 PM (Ig1Wo)
Posted by: sifty at July 20, 2011 02:10 PM (ECjvn)
Though she hasn't made any in some time. Neither has he, and I simply don't see one here. Sometimes pols make straight-forward statements about themselves, and that's that.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 20, 2011 02:11 PM (o2lIv)
'see no evil'position on the GZ Mosque, all rule him out.
Posted by: Randolph Duke at July 20, 2011 02:12 PM (5U4Fd)
Posted by: soothsayer at July 20, 2011 05:37 PM (G/zuv)
"I'llll take you home aagaain, Kaathlleeeen..."
Posted by: Wdavisterry at July 20, 2011 02:18 PM (EG/p1)
I get annoyed when Obama refers to Congresscritters as "leaders." They aren't "leaders" they're "legislators": "One that creates or enacts laws, especially a member of a legislative body."
Not leaders. The folks who create the laws.
Which is why for 48 years the American people did not elect a sitting member of Congress to be President.
I notice that I can rewrite my opening statement: I get annoyed when Obama opens his yap.
Posted by: Unf-ingbelievable at July 20, 2011 02:19 PM (EXsuU)
@10: "He will continue to loom large on the political radar, nonetheless."
And on the bathroom scale. And in the nightmares of buffet owners everywhere.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 20, 2011 02:20 PM (xy9wk)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 20, 2011 02:22 PM (TMB3S)
@28: "McDonnell: With such a force arrayed against us, it is time to discuss other options.
Tea Party Wallace: Other options? Don't you wish at least to lead your men onto the field and barter a better deal with Obama before you tuck tail and run?
McDonnell: We can not defeat this president and the media.
Tea Party Wallace: We can! And we will! We won in 2010, and still you quibble. We won in Wisconsin, and in Minnesota, and you would not support us. If you will not stand up with us now then I say you're a coward. And if you are conservative, I am ashamed to call myself one."
Hit, waddle, hide. The Highland way....
Posted by: Chris "Campbell" Christie at July 20, 2011 02:24 PM (xy9wk)
Maybe it's not an intentional dig at Palin, but it does create a contrast. He may be speaking purely of his convictions...he usually does.
Posted by: frode at July 20, 2011 02:25 PM (1m2f3)
Posted by: blackredneck at July 20, 2011 02:27 PM (/uMRD)
That gets tedious.
Posted by: JackStraw at July 20, 2011 06:22 PM (TMB3S)
yeah, that shit is really fucking annoying and some really hit the Paultard territory which sucks as Palin is actually good unlike RON PAUL!!!!?!!!
Posted by: The Dude at July 20, 2011 02:28 PM (Ig1Wo)
Let me help you, since you're apparently too low-functioning to figure out Facebook. Here's a link to the "notes" portion of her page, which can otherwise be accessed by clicking the "notes" button on the left-hand side of the page: notes
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at July 20, 2011 02:35 PM (IoUF1)
Posted by: Knemon at July 20, 2011 02:38 PM (2LF2b)
Yep, can't see why Tammy Bruce thought Christie was dissin Palin...
But he has always been incredibly obvious about his digs. It's his style and the type of person he is. This, on the other hand, reads like a straight-forward statement about his priorities and where he feels his family is right now..
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 20, 2011 02:38 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: blackredneck at July 20, 2011 02:46 PM (/uMRD)
No, I don't use Facebook because I'm not a teenaged girl.
But I did look in "Notes" and nope, there's nothing there.Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 20, 2011 02:46 PM (mpX2c)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2011 02:47 PM (PNmDO)
And here I thought I was the only one!
Posted by: Knemon at July 20, 2011 06:38 PM (2LF2b)
fuck, there is a shit load of new repubs around there that really love her. And all the gay conservatives around here back her and only her
Posted by: The Dude at July 20, 2011 02:48 PM (Ig1Wo)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 20, 2011 06:47 PM (PNmDO)
considering who is in the race currently (not including Perry), I will be with them as there is no one in that I give a fuck about enough to stop at the polling station next year
Posted by: The Dude at July 20, 2011 02:50 PM (Ig1Wo)
That gets tedious.
Well, I recall that Ace said he was turned off Palin because of her supporters. I can understand being turned off the supporters of a given politician, but that wouldn't make me turn against the politician herself.
I check out Free Republic on a regular basis. I know those people are a different crowd than the people here, but over the past year they've Balkanized themselves into the Palin group, the Bachmann group, the Cain group, and the Romney group. They all hate each other and trash talk with a level of genuine viciousness that warms the cockles of Debbie Wassermann-Schultz's shriveled little heart.
There was one poster, Pissant, who essentially went insane in real time, transforming from a devoted Palin booster to a rabid, foam-spewing Palin hater for no discernible reason. He started calling her "Precious" and habitually posted links from leftist sites denigrating her. He was finally banned after he said that Tammy Bruce always had the scent of Precious on her breath.
It was an amazing--if extreme--display of the fracturing I mentioned above. These are all rock-ribbed conservatives terrified at the damage being done to the country, but they seem to hate each other as much as liberals hate them. At any given time, at least a third of them are threatening to stay home the next election or vote for a third-party loser.
I don't get it. I don't hate anyone who boosts the candidate they like the most; in the end I'm voting for whomever is the nominee. It's an easy choice for me: Anyone But Obama.
Posted by: Llarry at July 20, 2011 02:54 PM (uQA8F)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 20, 2011 02:55 PM (TMB3S)
When did I ever say I was endorsing Christie for president? because I'm not. I'm also a fan of Palin. But being a fan doesn't mean you assume wrong where none has been committed. This was nothing like the vile venom spewed by the lefties and it doesn't sound like an insult. Reserve your fire for the political machine members who are actually launching despicable attacks on Palin.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 20, 2011 02:56 PM (o2lIv)
I don't know if I'm a real RINO, though. I like Palin; I like Perry; and I like McCotter. But I'll vote for anyone who ends up the nominee.
I have no idea what the hell I am, politically. Since 9/11 I've voted straight Repub in every single election, locally, statewide, and nationally. I can't see myself ever voting Democrat again, given the damage they've done, but I'm certainly not a huge fan of the GOP.
Can I call myself a Default Republican, or does that sound too much like a single-issue nutter rooting for financial collapse?
Posted by: Llarry at July 20, 2011 03:01 PM (uQA8F)
Did I miss something?
Anybody north of the Mason-Dixon is a RINO. Some just have more horns.
Posted by: I'm only here for the beer at July 20, 2011 03:05 PM (hZqYp)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 20, 2011 06:46 PM (mpX2c)
Does someone else write your comments for you, because you obviously can't read, so you must not be able to write either.
Posted by: Steph at July 20, 2011 03:06 PM (Ox1e8)
And yes Steph, I did read that assemblage of feel-good generalities at your link. What about it?
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 20, 2011 03:09 PM (mpX2c)
Posted by: MDH3 at July 20, 2011 03:22 PM (lg5vh)
Posted by: blackredneck at July 20, 2011 03:40 PM (9y6Dz)
Another thing about some Palin supporters, they like to make shit up.
Posted by: lowandslow at July 20, 2011 03:46 PM (GZitp)
I'm not saying that Christie is necessarily all those things, but his concern about his family and desire to be there for them is a very valid, noble thing and its something that high-end politicians seem significantly less interested in than their own power. Being that level of politician basically makes you not a parent any longer and demolishes your family life.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 20, 2011 03:53 PM (r4wIV)
Posted by: curious at July 20, 2011 03:59 PM (1sxk1)
Look again. There's hundreds of articles there.
Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at July 20, 2011 04:03 PM (IoUF1)
Dang. Another Palin dig on a Christie story. No obsessing here, just move along.
Posted by: Dirty Old Man at July 20, 2011 04:57 PM (/q/kQ)
Posted by: Rae4palin at July 20, 2011 05:56 PM (G4RRM)
Ace should recognize how limited the support for RINOs like Pawlenty, Romney and Perry is. Palin's popularity has been demonstrated time after time. Christy, well among dopers and the Guiliani crowd, I can understand why he refuses to run.
But we will continue to hear about the appeal of the spineless, just review Ace's 2008 analysis of the candidates. This is but a boring replay of the mantra that legacy RINOs always use.
And it is pathetic.
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