1 No more donuts for you, Mister!

2
So odd that all these endorsements are coming in so early in the election season.

3 The only surprise would be if Christie did not endorse Romney.  I doubt this moves any votes whatsoever.  I like and respect Christie, as governor of NJ, but he is not a barometer of conservatism.  Of course he is going to support the most liberal republican in the race (outside of Huntsman). 

4 It woulda been a shocker if he'd gone for anyone else.

BFD.

5 This whole Christie decision/withdrawal thing was orchestrated to help Romney consolidate and wrap things up early, timed with Palin's near deadline decision.
The fix is in, just remains to be seen whether it's binding and final.
I sure hope that it isn't.

6 Unexpected!

7 Well, now we know for certain who Ann Coulter will vote for.

8 Team RINO realizes Romney is there only hope in stopping We The People, and the only hope in getting Romney elected is to have the election before We The People coalesce around a candidate...

9
You feel me, brahs? What do these early endorsements really mean?

I mean what if Romney doesn't win the nomination, does it mean Christie or Pawlenty won't help out Rick Perry in the general election?

And if they do, don't their words on the campaign trail kinda ring hollow?

10 Fat Mittens Endorses Thin Mittens

11 Someone in the GOP establishment thinks Christie pulls a lotta weight....

12 I'm suddenly tempted to donate to Herman Cain

13 then we got this supposed iran terror plot against embassies happening, just in time to take the pressure off of solyndra, solyndra's big brother (sunpower), fast and furious, economy......etc.

14 Wow a fatman in NJ likes Romney. Who would have guessed? Now about those other 36 States necessary to win, who do they endorse?

15 At this time I would like to throw my support, and gravitas, behind the one man who can bring sanity to the Republican Party and the nation : Mitt Romney.

16 Sounds like over 1/2 the jihaidists in the USA are Gov Agents? Kinda like the KKK in the 50/60s

17
I think I see what's going on and why we're seeing a lot of early endorsements.

It's a message to Perry. The message says you shoulda stayed the fuck out and minded your bizness, Rick.

18

8 Team RINO realizes Romney is there only hope in stopping We The People, and the only hope in getting Romney elected is to have the election before We The People coalesce around a candidate...

 

You are missing the part of Team MSM and WH prefer Romney. One is they think he can be beaten. Second, if he wins they win - nothing changes.

19 Romney whipped up an outstanding batch of s'mores up at Davos and Christie was a fan since that day.

20

Finally! Should have done it last Thursday, so that it would have had a good splash to it and not now, when it has a bit of that "Come back spotlight" feel to it. Palin made the same mistake this year.

But I get that it's difficult to time when the spotlight's leaving you. You only feel it has left when it's already gone completely.

 

21 This whole Christie decision/withdrawal thing was orchestrated to help Romney consolidate and wrap things up early, timed with Palin's near deadline decision.
The fix is in, just remains to be seen whether it's binding and final.
I sure hope that it isn't.

Posted by: ontherocks at October 11, 2011 01:51 PM (HBqDo)

If Christie had entered the race, Palin might have followed him in, counting on Christie to split Romney's support (and using Christie's short tenure as Governor to make her own short tenure seem comparable).  Christie staying out made it much, much harder for Palin to see any path to the nomination, even after Perry's collapse opened up a potential avenue for her.

22 endorsements mean nothing

23

Yay!! We're going to end up with a Massachusetts Republican as our candidate in an election year that hasn't seen a general public this open to conservatism since 1980.

Goody Gumdrops.

24 OT - Holder and Mueller (sp?) about to hold news conference to disclose a plot by Iran to bomb the Saudi and Israeli embassies in DC as well as assasinate the Saudi amassador.

25 So that's, what, one vote for Romney? Does that put him over the top?

26 So more Amish terrorists?

27 Team RINO realizes Romney
Team RINO realizes Romney

is there only hope
is there only hope

in stopping
in stopping

We The People
We The People

We The People? Come off it. Instead of hiding behind conspiracy theories (Mitt is paying Bachmann et. al), and trying to convince themselves that anyone other than the candidate of their choosing is some sort of violation of democracy, why doesn't the anybody-but-Romney crowd man up and get behind a candidate. The only reason Romney is winning is because of unforced errors by the other candidates, making it difficult to coalesce around one. I still think that Perry can turn this around, and I hope he does, but constantly whining about Romney's not going to get the job done.

28 Romney/Huntsman 2012! Because we should all get along.

29 12 I'm suddenly tempted to donate to Herman Cain

Why?  He's in Mitt's camp. 

30 24......WTF? Just heard about this....

31 Bomb the Israeli Embassy? Yeah I bet that's easy to do????????

32

Finally, the vast ideological gap between Massachusetts Liberal Republicans and New Jersey Liberal Republicans has been bridged...

33 According to a news story, the FBI broke up an Iranian terrorist plot to kill the ambassador of Saudi Arabia here on American soil. Can we please Bomb the Iranian military into dust now, WTF.

34 So after the most crushing pickup for the GOP in my lifetime, the party elites have decided to nominate the only guy who will kill Republican voter enthusiasm. This must be some of that 12th dimensional chess strategy that morons like me just don't understand.

35 I don't see Christie as King-maker any more than Palin. They're playing the roles they're relegated to. Fine.

36 It's starting to look like the real election fraud will happen long before the vote count in Nov '12.

37 24 OT - Holder and Mueller (sp?) about to hold news conference to disclose a plot by Iran to bomb the Saudi and Israeli embassies in DC as well as assasinate the Saudi amassador. --------------------------------- By Iran? Or by an Iranian who thought he was working for a Mexican drug cartel?

38 I mean what if Romney doesn't win the nomination, does it mean Christie or Pawlenty won't help out Rick Perry in the general election?

Dahling, you obviously weren't paying attention last week when I told you we had our candidate selected.

39 Massachusetts and New Jersey are in good company with each other. I am not surprised by Christie choice. American Thinker had a article the other day about Obama winning if running against Romney. I can see this happening too.

40 the vast ideological gap between Massachusetts Liberal Republicans and New Jersey Liberal Republicans has been bridged ROTFL

41
right now Rick Perry is the Indianapolis Colts Philadelphia Eagles

the Eagles still have a chance to salvage their season and make it into the playoffs, but we all know that isn't likely.

42 ......Breaking ......
Christie to endorse Fast food restaurants , Funnel Cakes andFood on a Stick ....

43 It's a great endorsement because Christie is better known and liked on a visceral level.

It also makes everyone who likes Christie, but not Romney (despite Romney being more conservaitve) look like an idiot.  HI EVEYONE.  ;-)

44 Coyotes endorse Perry.

45 This may move dozens of people towards the Romney camp.

46 I don't see Christie as King-maker any more than Palin. The Palinistas are disappointing us with their lack of gumption. Why aren't they here, reminding us how we failed Her?

47 Whoa! Forgive, every time Christie speaks i get excited (intellectually speaking).  I hope he stays away from the VP thing.

48 Christie to endorse Fast food restaurants , Funnel Cakes andFood on a Stick .... Posted by: R.U. Nutz ! at October 11, 2011 02:04 PM (AIIyT) Christie only eats at the finest Italian establishments here in NJ

49 Holder holds press conference on Iran on same day as subpoena?  Who believes this stuff?

My CronyDar is blaring.

50 >>Can we please Bomb the Iranian military into dust now, WTF.
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 11, 2011 02:03 PM (ZDUD4)

_{We don't have enough Predators. That's all Preznit Videogame knows how to do.}

51 Now that I think about it F&F reaching a critical mass and Magically the DOJ stops a Tom Clancyesque Terrorist plot. Hmmmmm.

52

Christie's endorsement is costly, Mitt had to give him 1.3 million Hush Puppies and 500 pounds of meat(type of which to be named at a later date)

53

When does the Perry camp deploy the Palin endorsement?  It is probably the only endorsement that will have any effect on the race.  She is probably waiting to see if Perry does better in the debates and can then pick up steam.  She stays relevant so long as it looks like her endorsement mattered. 

54 Should be interesting when the field is narrowed. Nowhere have I seen Willard's numbers going up, they just stay the same year after year. Willard is the default nominee. If the others fail, then Willard wins. Well sort of. He gets the nomination and the election to lose. Which he will do.

55 Not a big surprise. I'm guessing Palin will fall in with Romney too when it comes to that -- and so will The Godfather when it comes to that, too -- which it will. It's the power of the Book of Mormon (musical) and it cannot be denied.

56 >>>Team RINO realizes Romney is there only hope in stopping We The People, and the only hope in getting Romney elected is to have the election before We The People coalesce around a candidate...

Do you really think people who have chosen to support Romney really think in terms of "we must stop the people of America!"

Also, are people who support Romney not "we the people" as well?  I've got news for you: I'm not rich.  I ain't no plutocrat.  I don't rake in crazy Wall Street dough or sip champagne in my New York high rise.  And I've drifted over to Team Romney because all the other options declined to run or self-destructed. 

57 >>> So after the most crushing pickup for the GOP in my lifetime, the party elites have decided to nominate the only guy who will kill Republican voter enthusiasm. This must be some of that 12th dimensional chess strategy that morons like me just don't understand. The "party elites" don't pick the nominee, the bleatings of conspiracy theorists notwithstanding. If Romney is the nominee it was because more Republicans voted for him than for another candidate. I think you'll have a hard time arguing that the candidate who got fewer votes would generate more enthusiasm in the general election.

58
why would Iran want to kill the Saudi ambassador?

it's all bullshit

59 > So odd that all these endorsements are coming in so early in the election season. We're less than three months from the Iowa caucuses. Now's the time to start choosing sides.

60 RINO's of a feather?

61 Not a big surprise. I'm guessing Palin will fall in with Romney too when it comes to that -- and so will The Godfather when it comes to that, too -- which it will. It's the power of the Book of Mormon (musical) and it cannot be denied. Posted by: Broadway Fan at October 11, 2011 02:06 PM I don't FKN think so.

62

I Like Christie

I Dont Like Romney

I Expected Him To Endorse Romney, No Bigs

Let The RINO Branding Begin!

63 Romney whipped up an outstanding batch of s'mores up at Davos and Christie was a fan since that day.

Posted by: spongeworthy at October 11, 2011 01:58 PM (puy4B)

That's bullshit.

Everyone knows that Mormons make outstanding Jello molds.

64 why would Iran want to kill the Saudi ambassador? it's all bullshit Posted by: soothie at October 11, 2011 02:07 PM (G/zuv) Well Iran does hate Saudi Arabia and visa versa.

65 We have to defeat romney. The country will break apart after scoamf 1 if he is in office. But meh, its a christie endorsement. I remember when that saved mike castle and whitman. Wait!

66 What happened to the "lone wolf" angle?

Somehow this is different?

67 The only endorsement that matters is Rush's and he is wisely holding back.

As long as Cain gets over his lip-licking before he says everything, he'll be OK. But I'd like to see that he can apply conservative principles to things beyond the economy, like education, the judiciary, and foreign policy.

68

#27 - exactly.  Perry is being undone by some establishment conspiracy thing rather than acknowledging he has been a poor candidate so far.

All the people saying they are staying home if Mitt is the nominee are morons (not in the good way like at AOQ).  Staying home so a guy who agrees with you 0% of the time is reelected while a guy who agrees with you 70% of the time isn't elected is ridiculous

69 This announcement totally overshadowed the endorsement of Perry by the Texas Confederation of Racist Rocks, Fences and Walls.

70 Hardest hit- Over caffeinated skank Ann Coulter.

71 46 I don't see Christie as King-maker any more than Palin.

The Palinistas are disappointing us with their lack of gumption. Why aren't they here, reminding us how we failed Her?

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at October 11, 2011 02:06 PM (AZGON)

The ones who were engaged in hero worship are still burning candles.  The ones who realize it's not about any one person are still around.

72

>>According to a news story, the FBI broke up an Iranian terrorist plot to kill the ambassador of Saudi Arabia here on American soil.

That sounds so stupid. I simply don't believe it. What in the world would Iran have to gain by committing a terrorist act on America soil?

There are Saudi Ambassadors in every country in the world, why in America?

73 What happened to the "lone wolf" angle? Somehow this is different? Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at October 11, 2011 02:08 PM (OhYCU) He probably was a lone wolf working with 10 DEA Agents. Most of these guys ain't all that smart

74
So after the most crushing pickup for the GOP in my lifetime, the party elites have decided to nominate the only guy who will kill Republican voter enthusiasm.
Posted by: mugiwara





The Republicans are going to nominate the guy that John McCain thought was too liberal to put on his ticket....

75 The "party elites" don't pick the nominee, the bleatings of conspiracy theorists notwithstanding. If Romney is the nominee it was because more Republicans voted for him than for another candidate. I think you'll have a hard time arguing that the candidate who got fewer votes would generate more enthusiasm in the general election.

Posted by: Paul at October 11, 2011 02:07 PM (DsHk0)

Enjoy your second term of Obama!

76 then we got this supposed iran terror plot against embassies happening, just in time to take the pressure off of solyndra, solyndra's big brother (sunpower), fast and furious, economy......etc.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at October 11, 2011 01:54 PM (qpKJT)

Yeah I suspect that is why the demonstrations are being advocated by the Dem leadership.

same, deflection.

77 I think Romney is Number Two as well.

78 4 " Christie only eats at the finest Italian establishments here in NJ"

He's expanding his horizons to appeal to a broader voter base...

79

>>The only endorsement that matters is Rush's and he is wisely holding back.

Rush better not do what he did in 2008, which was wait til the nomination was all but over before endorsing a candidate.

80 62

I Like Christie

I Dont Like Romney

I Expected Him To Endorse Romney, No Bigs

Let The RINO Branding Begin!

 

I was going to add gelding, but realized that gelding and RINO mean the same thing. Nutless wonders to the rescue.

81 The "party elites" don't pick the nominee, the bleatings of conspiracy theorists notwithstanding. If Romney is the nominee it was because more Republicans voted for him than for another candidate. I think you'll have a hard time arguing that the candidate who got fewer votes would generate more enthusiasm in the general election.

Posted by: Paul at October 11, 2011 02:07 PM (DsHk0)

not a Romney guy and I fully agree with you here except i'd put in that big donors and GOP bigwigs backing you doesn't hurt either

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 11, 2011 02:07 PM (XonkM)

+1; though for once it'd be nice to see you back a underdog Jeff, not a knock just saying...

82 This man was arrested much earlier.  I smell sulfur.

83 I'm hoping Issa uses the occasion of Holder's presser to personally serve him with the subpoena.

84 >>>Yay!! We're going to end up with a Massachusetts Republican as our candidate in an election year that hasn't seen a general public this open to conservatism since 1980.

Yeah, it's a shame we didn't have a good, competent, qualified True Conservative candidate running.  That's what being decimated by two consecutive Democratic wave elections and 8 years of Bush hollowing out the party's principles will do to your party's bench.

Honestly, some of you folks talk about this like it's a preordained conspiracy or something.  When in reality it's something more like the operation of long-range historical forces at work.  2016 would/will have a crop of qualified conservatives ready to run...because of 2010 and (presumably 2012).  But now?  As Don Rumsfeld would say: you go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had.

85 If there's one thing this country desperately needs, it's a technocrat who will tinker around the edges of a massive federal bureaucracy. And by gum, if Mitt Romney can't do that, no one can!

86 IMO, this hurts Christie more than it helps Romney... its another issue where he splits off from a lot of the base, for NO good reason...

87 Non-politician who has been running for President for 6 years picks up endorsement from candidate who has not been running for President for 6 months.

88 filbert at October 11, 2011 02:09 PM Palinista here. Most of us, with little fanfare, have went to the Cain camp.

89

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at October 11, 2011 02:10 PM (AZGON)

/golf clap...

Well said Sir... well said...

90 "why would Iran want to kill the Saudi ambassador?

it's all bullshit"

Call me crazy, but the part about "On American Soil" pretty much clears it all up.

Presser is on RTS on FOX

91 Christie carries a lot of weight, the endorsement means that the RNC will come close to winning NJ, but alas, no cigar.

92 >>>Do you really think people who have chosen to support Romney really think in terms of "we must stop the people of America!" Also, are people who support Romney not "we the people" as well? I've got news for you: I'm not rich. I ain't no plutocrat. I don't rake in crazy Wall Street dough or sip champagne in my New York high rise. And I've drifted over to Team Romney because all the other options declined to run or self-destructed. Posted by: Jeff B. at October 11, 2011 02:07 PM (XonkM) Dude the True Conservative Hero Brigade is pretty much just like the liberals. Everything they do is in the name of The People, except those people who disagree with them. But they're just people, not The People, so who cares about them? The People are only the MINORITY who agrees with them.

93 He was arrested last month.

Why the presser today?  hmmmm.........

94 Also, not suprisingly, Christie was getting good press/treatment here and other righty sights but now of course he is the worst RINO/GOPer ever. 

95 OT - Holder and Mueller (sp?) about to hold news conference to disclose a plot by Iran to bomb the Saudi and Israeli embassies in DC as well as assasinate the Saudi amassador. Posted by: Have Blue

Oh, man. The temptation to shout "Distraction!1!1!" is depressing.

96 Yeah, its big. It sucks the narrative from tonight's debate. Doesnt matter what will happen. This is the story. Big money bundlers will continue to fall in line for Romney. He looks inevitable and Wall Street likes Christie. Minimizes any impact of a late Rudy endorsement. Romney owns the Northeast, and wont even have to campaign hard to win it.

97 OT at AT: Nobel Peace Laureate Assassinates American Citizen

Too funny.

98 yes I am cynical, but this seems like a pre-text for a US, Israel, Saudi attack on Iran.  I am sounding like a damn stupid liberal now, I must be getting O derangement syndrome.  How is it tied to Iran will be my question?

Seems convenient, especially for Holder.

99 This he is on top of, but Fast and Furious? never heard of it?

100 Again, if the non-Romney candidates will come out swinging the big bat at the SCoaMF, they can take the lead (sorry Spaceship Paulinistas need not apply).  The first one that best shows they are worlds better than the SCoaMF can win the race.

101 he's dead to me

102

>>>So after the most crushing pickup for the GOP in my lifetime, the party elites have decided to nominate the only guy who will kill Republican voter enthusiasm.

What party elites?

Romney is winning in the polls because Perry screwed the pooch at the debates. The Weekly Standard didn't do that. NRO didn't do that. Perry did.

He got into the race and immediately got 35% in the polls. Had he turned out good debate performance or not told people that they have no heart, he would be the nominee.

He screwed this up. It's not some coincidence that when Bachmann's numbers tanked that Perry's went up. Or that when Perry's numbers tanked that Cain's went up.

Romney has a solid 20-25% and the other 75% are looking for a good Not-Romney who can win. I haven't seen one yet.

I'm still on board with Perry, but I acknowledge that another bad debate performance will be it.

103 I suspected they would prop up Romney for the election. whispers i'll vote whomever against the dem.  still...stilll

, I'm disappointed I had thought this was a perfect time to speak of acting responsibly towards fiscal soundness and smaller gvt.

104

OT:

A deal struck to free Gilad Shahlit?

105

Yay!! We're going to end up with a Massachusetts Republican as our candidate in an election year that hasn't seen a general public this open to conservatism since 1980.

Goody Gumdrops.

Posted by: Ben at October 11, 2011 01:59 PM (wuv1c)

Amen brother!

106 Also, not suprisingly, Christie was getting good press/treatment here and other righty sights but now of course he is the worst RINO/GOPer ever. 

Posted by: nobama12 at October 11, 2011 02:12 PM (ykY2u)

bro, I was hoping Christie would run but come on, the guy was hammered in the comments on this blog and elsewhere as some RINO

107
re: Iran's bomb plot

What's Amanda Knox's alibi?

I don't trust that skinny little bitch; not for one second.

108 Gilad Shahlit? Posted by: Mr. Maelstrom

that would be lovely, what horror he must be going through.

wonder what has to be given away for his freedom?

109 107 Also, not suprisingly, Christie was getting good press/treatment here and other righty sights but now of course he is the worst RINO/GOPer ever. 

Posted by: nobama12 at October 11, 2011 02:12 PM (ykY2u)

bro, I was hoping Christie would run but come on, the guy was hammered in the comments on this blog and elsewhere as some RINO

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Ban k1rwm) at October 11, 2011 02:14 PM (yAor6)

Yep, I agree. I'm from NJ and never wanted him to run for POTUS. Maybe VPOTUS but never POTUS.

110 88 filbert at October 11, 2011 02:09 PM

Palinista here. Most of us, with little fanfare, have went to the Cain camp.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 11, 2011 02:11 PM (ZDUD4)

Yep.

111 Shocker.

This just in: water is wet.

112 Tying to Mexican drug cartels?  Uh oh.

113

Posted by: Ben at October 11, 2011 02:13 PM (wuv1c)

+1000

you hit it right on the nail Ben, Perry had the party ready to nominate him and he fucked it up. You still hope for one more chance at a good debate, I already think he's done and back to being a neutral.

114

That sounds so stupid. I simply don't believe it. What in the world would Iran have to gain by committing a terrorist act on America soil?

There are Saudi Ambassadors in every country in the world, why in America?

The plot itself is majorly stupid.  But perhaps the bigger point that this Iranian terrorist was trying to show (had the plot succeeded) is that nobody is safe from the arms of Iran, not even high-level personnel  under the protective umbrella of "The Great Satan".  

That's just my 2 cents - take it for what little it's worth.

115 why would Iran want to kill the Saudi ambassador? Y'all bitched about us giving weapons to the Mexicans, so we're gonna make the Iranians earn theirs...

116 A mitt romney presidency will bring us another obama in 4 years after its been proven romney knows as much about the economy as my dog. I'd rather have an obama handstrung by a gop congress while he continually makes conservatism popular. Romney supporters just seem to want to cut off their noses to spite their faces. Think supreme court. We dont need a van jones or another kagan which romney would probably appoint.

117 >>>+1; though for once it'd be nice to see you back a underdog Jeff, not a knock just saying...

Well let me tell you, L (Luis?  Larry?  Leopold?), you wouldn't believe the long conversations-with-myself I've been having about Herman Cain.  I know everyone here thinks of me as a shameless RINO, but those folks don't get it: I really want to support a conservative rock star who will lead us into a new generation of Reaganism.  So while my head realizes that Romney's almost certainly the right answer, my heart is still trying to find a way to make Cain acceptable as the nominee.  I'd like to back the underdog...but I just can't make the leap.  Not yet, at least, and not with what Cain has already said trailing him on his record.  Maybe if he does something truly spectacular in the next few debates, that'll change. 

But yeah, I'm probably like most other conservatives: I want to go with my heart too, and take the guy who excites me.  But I won't fuck this one up.  I do not want to sit back and have us nominate a guy who gets pummelled by Obama because he's not ready to run for the job or handle the campaign. 

118 Fast & Furious helped uncover this plot?

119 AuthorLMendez (Ban k1rwm) at October 11, 2011 02:14 PM Hey Dude!, that's because he was the biggest RINO with the biggest horn in the biggest watering hole on the whole Serengeti.

120 Romney has a solid 20-25% and the other 75% are looking for a good Not-Romney who can win. I haven't seen one yet. I'm still on board with Perry, but I acknowledge that another bad debate performance will be it. That sounds exactly right.

121 91 "why would Iran want to kill the Saudi ambassador?

it's all bullshit"

Call me crazy, but the part about "On American Soil" pretty much clears it all up.

Presser is on RTS on FOX

Posted by: Nope, I don't like it at October 11, 2011 02:11 PM (pVvkk)

Yep, Iran and the House of Saud  DO hate each other! That they both believe they lead Islam.  That they are from different Sects.  Tthey are even from different Races.

The Saudi Ambassador to the US has a lot of pull in creating foreign policy... this is essentialy a Monarchy.... killing him on US soil IF it was given plausible deniability, would help Iran.

122 97 Romney owns the Northeast, and wont even have to campaign hard to win it.   Huh? What are the odds of him winning MA? Just askin.

123 re: Iran's bomb plot What's Amanda Knox's alibi? I don't trust that skinny little bitch; not for one second. Posted by: soothie at October 11, 2011 02:15 PM (G/zuv) LOL, only a ron can put those together and make it work.

124 a conservative rock star? omg

125 It's good news for Romney of course.  Although he is from the Northeast, most people don't perceive Chris Christi as being the type person who would endorse a RINO, socialist, left wing, epidome of all evil type guy.

126 so darned disappointed.

127 iran....cartel.....really?

128 I don't have time to make "Christie found out Wavy Gravy's real name is Romney, wants to get in on the good side of the Gravy family" into a joke that works, but I endorse the premise.

129

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 11, 2011 02:17 PM (XonkM)

yes Luis, you got it right first lol

and yes I know where your coming from. The Romney alternative keeps ending up an epic fail w/ each new prospect and it looks like Romney is set to get the nom unless Perry comes back (which I doubt) or Cain continues his momentum (possible). To tell the truth after vowing not to vote for Romney in the primary i'm giving hima second look. The only thing that makes me stay up at night is that Reagan was a subpar Governor as well and learned from that to be a a great President.

130 5This whole Christie decision/withdrawal thing was orchestrated to help Romney consolidate and wrap things up early, timed with Palin's near deadline decision.
The fix is in, just remains to be seen whether it's binding and final.
I sure hope that it isn't.

Posted by: ontherocks at October 11, 2011 01:51 PM (HBqDo)

 

agreed

131 If you like your soul-crushing communist government, you can keep your soul-crushing communist government.

132 >>>Romney owns the Northeast, and wont even have to campaign hard to win it.   Huh? What are the odds of him winning MA? Just askin.

None, but that's beside the point.  He's talking about the NE primaries.  Though Romney will guarantee a general election win in New Hampshire (just as Perry would probably keep it blue for Obama), probably Pennsylvania, and threaten in New Jersey, Maine and Connecticut.  (No joke, PPP of all people has Obama in a statistical tie with Romney among ALL voters -- not registered or likelys, which would trend even more GOP, but ALL voters.)  If Team Obama has to waste money playing defense in those states, then adios muchacho.

133 what i also hate , hate about this. is if Romney wins the primary i have to walk back all the screaming I did about obamacare and infringments and intrusion of our rights to make our own health choices .

sht.

134 Romney is sufficiently conservative, and he is the anti-SCOAMF.  That's pretty good.

135 How very convenient for Holder. Hold a new conference saying how you foiled a "terrorist" attack on the day Issa was thought to be handing out subpoenas for Fast and Furious...

136

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 11, 2011 02:20 PM (b68Df)

*facepalm*

he endorsed Castle, which I was happy with as I was hoping Castle would win that but let's not act like he's some go against the party type.

137 i guess i'll just hide in my house until we collapse.

138
So we are to believe that Iran just tried to reenact an episode of 24?

How preposterous!

I'm sure there are lots of evil shit Iran would like to do, but that doesn't mean they'd actually try it...on American soil no less.

139 123 97 Romney owns the Northeast, and wont even have to campaign hard to win it.   Huh? What are the odds of him winning MA? Just askin.   Barring the possibility that a Democratic President fires a nuke at Boston for shits and grins, I seriously doubt that ANY Republican will ever win Mass again.   Even with the nuke launch I'm not too sure.   Romney will do well in Ohio, Massachussettes, has a shot at Pennsylvania, and an outside shot at Michigan.        

140 The man had no explosives

141 The biggest problem with Obamacare, was that the wrong people were running it. Solved that problem, next!

142 for all you christie fans HAHAHAHAHA! guess what ? he's a RINO even more so. it's like colon pal endorsing BHO. OMG!

143 Posted by: Mr. Maelstrom at October 11, 2011 02:14 PM (+ZX4J)

I'll believe it when he is on Israeli soil.

144 did you say Christ supports Romney?   That would be..........interesting

145 I'm sure there are lots of evil shit Iran would like to do, but that doesn't mean they'd actually try it...on American soil no less. Posted by: soothie at October 11, 2011 02:24 PM So, will our fucktard President, in retaliation shoot a couple missiles at the persians and kick that war off too?

146 "Game Changer?"

Nope...maybe for a few Jersey voters, but otherwise no.

147 139 So we are to believe that Iran just tried to reenact an episode of 24? How preposterous! I'm sure there are lots of evil shit Iran would like to do, but that doesn't mean they'd actually try it...on American soil no less. Posted by: soothie at October 11, 2011 02:24 PM (G/zuv) Deflection from Eric Holder. WON'T WORK.

148 I'm not looking forward to reading the comments when DeMint endorses Romney again. They won't make anyone look good. Also any news on that coveted Bolton endorsement? Perry supporters were posting a couple of weeks ago like they had gotten it.

149 polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 11, 2011 02:26 PM Bolton is working with Perry to coach him up on Foreign Policy.

150 But is Christie throwing his weight behind Mittens? 'Cause I'd pay good cash money to see that train wreck ...

151 135 Romney is sufficiently conservative, and he is the anti-SCOAMF.  That's pretty good. Posted by: ParisParamus at October 11, 2011 02:23 PM (+QuQ/) He is not at all conservative and a gigantic smarmy asshole. I might be biased here cause i hate him personally and politically but my rino parents and pretty conservative grandparents wont vote for him in the general cause he is such a sleazebag. That includes me and we're from PA.

152 > So odd that all these endorsements are coming in so early in the election season.

It's also that most rational thinkers have come to several conclusions: namely that the set of candidates is closed, the set has always had two superior candidates (Romney and the potential, not-Romney; k>>Romney unknown) and that the time evolution of this race has gone on two far.

What I mean by the last part is many were holding out for a superior not-Romney. It has not emerged, yet it has spawned a negative entry in Rick Perry that will get ugly and only hurt our chances going forward. We are at the point in the time evolution of this race at which our preference for a new candidate k, selected out of the existing pool has dropped below our preference for Romney. The time for this contest to end has come.

This is clear to anybody looking hard enough at the polling.

Rick Perry -- the ideological anti-Romney -- has collapsed. Polling shows it's become a Romney / Cain race in just about every early state except NH; the shift to Cain is noteworthy in that it demonstrates the ideological component of the anti-Romney movement is gone: Cain and Romney are basically interchangable at this point; besides, they're on good terms so the race is mellow and open to a joint ticket. Bachmann has fallen off the radar, Santorum is a clever and good man. Newt is just sticking around to party. It's 4am, Perry is the drunk fucker who won't leave...

153

Posted by: Papa Editor at October 11, 2011 02:27 PM (Zs83Q)

looking like it, but better then Obama

154

133 >>>Romney owns the Northeast, and wont even have to campaign hard to win it.   Huh? What are the odds of him winning MA? Just askin.

None, but that's beside the point.  He's talking about the NE primaries.  Though Romney will guarantee a general election win in New Hampshire (just as Perry would probably keep it blue for Obama), probably Pennsylvania, and threaten in New Jersey, Maine and Connecticut.  (No joke, PPP of all people has Obama in a statistical tie with Romney among ALL voters -- not registered or likelys, which would trend even more GOP, but ALL voters.)  If Team Obama has to waste money playing defense in those states, then adios muchacho.

 

I really doubt your election-fu. Pubbies always take NH. So what. The Northeast is a cesspool of corruption. Do you think for a moment given what you have seen of unions and "NO-GOs" that Romney will pull PA and MA? Do you think the sitting black Governor of MA will allow the first black Prez to lose in his state? Things get done on election day in Boston that are not pretty. There is no way Romney pulls MA. Now you have your Republican version of Al Gore all to yourself. Go where the votes are and appeal to them. It ain't MA. You want the WH, win the south, midwest and rocky mountain states. Forget the northeast - they are too busy protesting Wall Street.

155 what i also hate , hate about this. is if Romney wins the primary i have to walk back all the screaming I did about obamacare and infringments and intrusion of our rights to make our own health choices  Posted by: willow

Here's my plan: swallow my pride and save it for Jan. 21, 2013. That's when we stoke up the fire used to hold against Romney's feet.

Another point that Ace and Co haven't really emphasized is that we need to start focusing on Senate & House races too! 

If we get enough conservatives in the Senate and House, Romney won't be able to backslide, and possibly the could push him to be more conservative that he might be.

156 I'm sure there are lots of evil shit Iran would like to do, but that doesn't mean they'd actually try it...on American soil no less.

I wouldn't stake my life on that position, not anymore.  For years Iran has been warned not to work on their nuclear weapons/ballistic missile programs and aside from a few sanctions that were easily bypassed, the Iranians have never faced any real consequences for their actions.

What if the Iranians plotted this knowing that they wouldn't face any repercussions other than the diplomatic equivalent of a slap on the wrist because of the SCoaMF currently in the White House?  Even worse, what if these Iranian "factions" think they can get away with such actions on America because the Iranians have a few nukes on the side? 

157 The MI-OH-PA-NJ axis just snapped into place for the general election.

I think at this point (and certainly when Romney officially gets the nomination) we should all get busy making 2012 a referendum on the Democrats, not just SOCAMF.  Whenever possible, we need to make the MSM freak out; Dem Reps. and Senators look stupid.  It needs to be a multi-front war.  We need to kill off the Dems as much as possible.  They'll be back, but we can make their exile 15 years rather than the usual four or eight.

By the way, one reason you should embrace Romney is that he is NICE.  When he works with a conservative Congress, he, and the Congress will be that much harder to demonize.  That's why I call Romney a stealth conservative.  Romney will be doing conservative politics without the stupid, counter-productive bravado.

158

Pubbies always take NH.

other then 2000, the Dems have taken NH since 92

159 i'm not endorsing anyone at this point and i'm not going to rip into any of the current candidates except bachman and paul but for God's sake christi for romney......ugh..........

160

he endorsed Castle, which I was happy with as I was hoping Castle would win that but let's not act like he's some go against the party type.

Chris Christi is a center-right politician as Romney is, but apparently the prevailing narrative today is that if a politician isn't pure right he might as well be Lowell Weicker, and his supporters are nothing but RINOs who deserve to be ridiculed at every opportunity for being traitors to the cause, for daring to be pragmatic in their thinking.

161 To follow up on my last post, the ideological component is gone: You guys are an endangered species.

Sort of like Obama supporters....

PS. Sorry for the 'two' instead of 'too' -- spell check + stupidity!

162

By the way, one reason you should embrace Romney is that he is NICE

yeah I like him as a person but that's not enough of a reason to go for him, come on give me a better reason. Right now i'm giving him another shot because he's polling the best against Obama including giving him tough fights in places like CT

163 center right? wow......are you a lib or something?

164

This gives me the hebie-jebies.  WonÂ’t end wellÂ… I mean the endÂ… not good.   Not necessarily this.  You know what I mean.

165 Hey, has anyone done any research on Cain and Aquila, Inc.?

Supposedly there was an Enron-esque scandal there?

166 By the way, one reason you should embrace Romney is that he is NICE.  When he works with a conservative Congress, he, and the Congress will be that much harder to demonize.  That's why I call Romney a stealth conservative.  Romney will be doing conservative politics without the stupid, counter-productive bravado. Posted by: ParisParamus at October 11, 2011 02:29 PM (+QuQ/) Go back to kos. Romney is a piece shit undeserving of becoming dog catcher. I cant wait until the general and the msm brings out the guns against him. Wake me up when he is above 30% in the polls

167 Saw this in the waiting room at Dr's office. Totally expected. Also expect the other NE "moderates" to follow suit,

168 Posted by: Uriah Heep at October 11, 2011 02:31 PM (YW11a)

Charles says, "Back in the book, Uriah.  And stay there."

169 Wake me up when he is above 30% in the polls

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at October 11, 2011 02:33 PM (7t/4C)

so how did that Palin running thing go dude?

170 We just had a blowout conservative election by pushing real conservative ideals! Quickly now, we'd better nominate the guy who will shit on us every chance he gets lest we repeat the horrors of 2010!

171 Good lord...does anyone - besides Ace - give a rat's ass what Christie does by this point in the process?

RINO Supports RINO! Yeah, that's a headline you don't see everyday. Duh.

172 If we get enough conservatives in the Senate and House, Romney won't be able to backslide, and possibly the could push him to be more conservative that he might be.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 11, 2011 02:29 PM (kt1UQ)

yes, that is where I hope we are successful in the fight.

173 83 I'm hoping Issa uses the occasion of Holder's presser to personally serve him with the subpoena.

Posted by: angler at October 11, 2011 02:10 PM (SwjAj)

Even better, if Andrew Breitbart happens to be in the building, and steps up to the podium before Holder gets there.

P.S. Romney and Huntsman aren't going to run together because they don't like each other.

174 Will not matter anyway. Even if we are screwed and Romney gets the nod he will not take NJ anyway, or even his "home State" of MA.

175 If we get enough conservatives in the Senate and House, Romney won't be able to backslide, and possibly the could push him to be more conservative that he might be.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at October 11, 2011 02:29 PM (kt1UQ)

and as i've pointed out. Look at Reagan as Governor, he kinda sucked. Had he run today he'd be Romney. Sorry but that's how it is. But as President he learned from his mistakes and was a damn good Prez even w/ Dems in congress. Imagine if Reagan had the GOP in power in congress.

176 KT McFarland, whome I really like says the little Iranian plan (If it was real and not made up) could be considered an act of war.

177 #151 Oldsailor, I don't think he's working for Perry that's why I asked. At the time it was reported by Politico, Bolton responded to request to confirm and he replied that he was talking to several of the candidates. I haven't heard anything since.

178

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2011 02:37 PM (M9Ie6)

and he'll lose the GOP strongholds in the South too right Vic?

*snorts*

179

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at October 11, 2011 02:33 PM (7t/4C)

Ace, could you please ban this guy?  Do we really need this level of commentary?

180

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Ban k1rwm) at October 11, 2011 02:37 PM (yAor6)

So.... its your position that we can vote for substandard Politicians, because other politicians will 'keep the honest'?

Uhhh... have you bothered to read any history at all?

181

Posted by: ParisParamus at October 11, 2011 02:39 PM (+QuQ/)

I disagree. why ban him? cause he doesn't agree with you? me and Flapjackmaka never got along but he hasn't done anything ban-worthy

182 172 We just had a blowout conservative election by pushing real conservative ideals! Quickly now, we'd better nominate the guy who will shit on us every chance he gets lest we repeat the horrors of 2010!

You fight and win midterm elections on ideology. They are low-turn out events.

You lose general, high-turn out, elections on ideology. The democrats will have buses with speakers duct-taped on driving through low-income neighborhoods scaring people into voting that the evil white man will take away their benefits. Don't think I'm kidding.

We win by keeping this election about the economy and pushing someone who is broadly acceptable enough that you turn-out your side without igniting an ideological brush-fire or cultural war -- which we will lose in the suburbs and exurbs. Keep them voting for us disinterested enough to stay home.

It's like fucking after prom in High-School, you need to be just nice enough that her parents let you slip by. Show up at their house with an attitude and you're done.

183 176 Will not matter anyway. Even if we are screwed and Romney gets the nod he will not take NJ anyway, or even his "home State" of MA.

I would put the chances of Romney taking NJ about even with those of Christie winning his office.  If the economy stays the same, even higher.  As for MA, no, not going to happen.

184

Posted by: Romeo13 at October 11, 2011 02:39 PM (NtXW4)

my hope is that as History showed (which I am well versed on and thus why at 22 I'm not a "progressive") like Reagan, Romney would be a better Prez then he was Governor. My worry is that he could be Dubya 2.0

185 and he'll lose the GOP strongholds in the South too right Vic?

Probably half of them.

186 #161 way not to rip into a candidate. Sheesh.

187 >>Romney is sufficiently conservative, and he is the anti-SCOAMF.  That's pretty good.
Posted by: ParisParamus at October 11, 2011 02:23 PM (+QuQ/)

The best case scenario if Romney somehow gets elected is that he's campaigning like Odumdum in '08 and not revealing what his true agenda is.

But that's like skipping stones across a pond at this point.   .     .       .           .

188

Posted by: Vic at October 11, 2011 02:42 PM (M9Ie6)

*facepalm*

189 181 Posted by: Flapjackmaka at October 11, 2011 02:33 PM (7t/4C) Ace, could you please ban this guy?  Do we really need this level of commentary? Posted by: ParisParamus at October 11, 2011 02:39 PM (+QuQ/) For what? Telling it like it is? There is no case for a romney election unless you want the economy in the pits and for conservatism to die. Romney is a leech only in it for himself. If he is our nominee i would relish the momebt he loses. He is as narcissistic as obama

190

I disagree. why ban him? cause he doesn't agree with you? me and Flapjackmaka never got along but he hasn't done anything ban-worthy

It's the language used.  I don't want this place to become an obscenity-filled realm, and I don't think Ace does either.

191 >>>I really doubt your election-fu. Pubbies always take NH. So what. The Northeast is a cesspool of corruption. Do you think for a moment given what you have seen of unions and "NO-GOs" that Romney will pull PA and MA? Do you think the sitting black Governor of MA will allow the first black Prez to lose in his state? Things get done on election day in Boston that are not pretty. There is no way Romney pulls MA. Now you have your Republican version of Al Gore all to yourself. Go where the votes are and appeal to them. It ain't MA. You want the WH, win the south, midwest and rocky mountain states. Forget the northeast - they are too busy protesting Wall Street.

It's like you didn't even read my post.  I explicitly SAID that Romney (or any GOP candidate) has zero chance of winning Massachusetts.  That's beside the point.  What isn't beside the point is that he gives us NH, makes PA ultra-competitive and leaning GOP, and forces the Dems to play defense in states they otherwise would bank like ME, CT, and NJ.

Moreover, as you point out, this election will REALLY be won or lost in the Midwest.  And if it's the Midwest we're talking about -- OH, MI, WI, etc. -- then there's absolutely no question that Romney gives the GOP a better shot than Perry according to every pollster across the spectrum.  Romney makes Michigan a genuine toss-up along with Wisconsin, secures Ohio, and perhaps even puts Minnesota in play.  Perry has no chance in MI, almost certainly loses WI, and has to fight like hell for OH.  It makes a huge difference.

Also, no GOP candidate is going to lose the South.  NC and VA are swing states now, but they were always going to be, and Romney probably helps there as well given the that 'swing' electorate in those two states are Northern Virginia squishes (either bring them over or keep them at home) and Research Triangle educated professionals in North Carolina.  Besides those two states, the GOP could nominate a dead dog and take every other state in the Old Confederacy.

192 Enough with the conspiracy theories or the Christie-bashing.

193 The best case scenario if Romney somehow gets elected is that he's campaigning like Odumdum in '08 and not revealing what his true agenda is.

And just which part of his stated agenda do you disagree with?

194 hahaha

195

#151 - there are also reports that Bolton is in the Bush/Romney camp

#153 - that's fine.  What PP is saying is that if one gets past simply yelling "Romneycare" and "MA liberal Governor" and"Flip-Flopper" and look at what he says he is going to do it is more conservative than portrayed

#159.- yup.  Everybody always remarks how O campaigned moderate and went left once in office.  The scenario playing out is that Romney campaigns moderate and goes right once in office (especially with a GOP congress).  Hard to understand why people can't figure that out and think that Texas conservative swagger is going to work in the general

196 #186 I pray that we can get another President as good George W Bush.

197 Sorry about my anger paris but i think romney is that bad. One of the biggest carpetbagging narcissists that i've seen. He is not eveb allowed to sniff reagans jockstrap.

198 >>>Go back to kos. Romney is a piece shit undeserving of becoming dog catcher. I cant wait until the general and the msm brings out the guns against him.

You're kind of an asshole, aren't you?

199 And just which part of his stated agenda do you disagree with? Posted by: ParisParamus at October 11, 2011 02:44 PM (+QuQ/) The romney 2012 part

200

Posted by: Uriah Heep at October 11, 2011 02:40 PM (YW11a)

In normal times, you may be correct... but these are 'interesting times' (in the chinese curse type of meaning).

Folks are just plain scared, and for the first time in a couple of generations, the middle started to speak out... and have once again been ignored.

The Repubs one that last election by saying 'we are now listening to America'... if they stop listening, and put in a weak moderate... they will loose that part of the electorate... maybe for all times.

They were able to co-opt the TEA movement... but have reneged on every promise... and we are now even worse off than before... and IMO that Fear is still there, just not getting any airplay...

And, to paraphrase... Fear turns to Anger, and Anger leads to the Dark Side Third Parties....

201 I haven't said this because, honestly, it sort of sounds like my own version of conspiracy theorizing...but I actually do think that, if elected, Romney would shock a lot of people by governing a lot more conservative than they expected.  Whether it's because of a GOP legislature or a need to keep the base in his corner or because it's how he really wants to do things anyway, I've always had the suspicion that as President he could turn out to be an Obama-in-reverse. 

Which, of course, is exactly what we would want.

202

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 11, 2011 02:45 PM (loxcN)

i'm talking on fiscal policies not everything else or personality

203 181

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at October 11, 2011 02:33 PM (7t/4C)

Ace, could you please ban this guy?  Do we really need this level of commentary?

You know, for some reason I never felt the urge to call Rick Perry a "piece of shit" or any other such pathetic smear, despite the fact that I don't support him and do not think he should be nominated.  Yet unfortunately there are a few people out there who hate Mitt Romney with a hysterical passion and are willing to smear him in any way possible. 

Actually looking at the plans of  Romney, Perry, and Cain might actual prove to be a nice diversion from portraying any particular candidate as Satan Incarnate.

 

204 The scenario playing out is that Romney campaigns moderate and goes right once in office (especially with a GOP congress).

Posted by: nobama12 at October 11, 2011 02:45 PM (ykY2u)

sorry, but NOTHING in Romneys past points to a shift to the RIGHT...

Thats pure fantasy IMO.

205

Cain is ok, marginally better than Mitt or Perry, but Cain is no rock-ribbed conservative either, if he wins he will try to create a brand new taxing authority for the Federal government in the form of a national sales tax (not in place of the Income Tax, but ON TOP of it!)

I can't support that...

(and he won't touch one little hair on the head of the Federal Reserve)

my view on politicans has changed drastically since august of '08... I don't trust ANY of them any more, i see them as crooks and theives just waiting for the opportunity to seperate me from what i love & honor - The Constitution.

the smaller and less powerfull the government is, the less chance they (the pols) have of messing things up.

 

government is no one's friend, it is a fire that we will consume everything around it if given the chance

206 @monkeytoe "Of course he is going to support the most liberal republican in the race (outside of Huntsman). ' Um, huntsman only TALKS like a liberal. In terms of actual leadership and policy, he is /well/ to the right of Romney.

207 Also, no GOP candidate is going to lose the South

Don't go cashing any checks on that account. McCain came close to losing the South and at least he was ex-military and was not a gun-grabber.

208 Now Paris. Flapjackmaka has a right to his stupid-ass opinion. It would be one thing if he were peddling his opinion as fact, but calling names is nothing more than childish venting and should be okay here of all places.

209 Jeez at the rage, ban this person, fuck that one. Asshole this one. I thought this was over when Palin bowed out. Wrong.

210 Which, of course, is exactly what we would want.

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 11, 2011 02:48 PM (XonkM)

it's what we need. If Romney is prez and doesn't act that way I am changing my party registration and officially voicing support for a third party. Romney is going to have to show some balls in the White House. I'm optimistic he would but the pessimistic part of me is strong as well. If we fuck this up, not just in winning the election, but governing, well the whole country is fucked.

211 The romney 2012 part

Thank you for proving my point.  Glad you take things seriously.

212

Folks... heres the problem...

Its going to take someone STRONG... with the Conviction of their beliefs to drag Washington, and all its spending factions, kicking and screaming, to fiscal Sanity.

I just don't see that in Romney, based on his go along to get along attitude...

Foks fantisizing that he will shift to the RIGHT once in Office???  When its EASIER to become even MORE Moderate??? or even LEFT????

 

213

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 11, 2011 02:50 PM (ZDUD4)

bro it's gonna go on until we have a nom, then we'll just have a couple left who won't get on the team and talk about how they're proudly gonna sit out the election

214 Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 11, 2011 02:48 PM (b68Df) Call perry what you want. Dont care. He is a complete idiot for messing up the way he has. Here is romney's plan: Mitt Romney. It's all about me.

215

Wouldn't it be funny if Romney appointed him Secretary of Education?

216 Romeo13 at October 11, 2011 02:52 PM Yep, thats my thinking, It's easier to pull a rope than push one.

217

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at October 11, 2011 02:53 PM (7t/4C)

you're a big Mark Levin fan huh?

218 213 The romney 2012 part Thank you for proving my point.  Glad you take things seriously. Posted by: ParisParamus at October 11, 2011 02:51 PM (+QuQ/) Sure do. Romney is a liar running in a conservative primary. Why take any of what he says as a promise im sure not. you seem to have no reason to support romney other than a childish belief that maybe this time he is actually someone with principles

219

#77, I think Romney is Number Two as well.

LOL!  Threadwinner, no doubt.

220 >>And just which part of his stated agenda do you disagree with?
Posted by: ParisParamus at October 11, 2011 02:44 PM (+QuQ/)

That's my point, so far he's a stealth candidate. I'm sure he's keeping his army of Rove like consultants happy by not stirring the pot while trying to appear non-threatening and centerish.

But what's needed is a major rollback of Statism and he won't even debunk AGW or admit the mistake that is Romneycare.

Hopefully if elected he'd find both strength and cover in a GOP controlled Congress and do what needs to be done.

But that's just wish casting (or stone skipping) for right now.

221 199 Sorry about my anger paris but i think romney is that bad. One of the biggest carpetbagging narcissists that i've seen. He is not eveb allowed to sniff reagans jockstrap.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at October 11, 2011 02:45 PM (7t/4C)

 

Carpetbagger?  Do you know anything about Mitt Romney?  He went to college in Massachusetts in the early 70s,  was a businessman there until he first ran for office in 1994.  He ran successfully for Governor there in 2002.  That's not carpetbagging.  Many people have asked why Romney would run for Gov of mass in the first place if he wasn't a liberal.  The answer is, BECAUSE HE HAD LIVED, WORKED, AND HAD A FAMILY THERE FOR YEARS.

Just start with wikipedia.  Not exactly the most reliable or comprehensive source for info on him.  But it should give you the basic foundation for learning a bit more about Mitt, instead of relying on the labels endlessly attach to him.

222

did you say Christ supports Romney?   That would be..........interesting

That would be a gamechanger.  If the eternal judge of the living and the dead endorses Romney, I will definitely give him a second look.

223 The legitimate criticism of Romney is that he won't do what he promises to. The stupid criticism is that he's not promising a sufficiently conservative agenda. There's so much crap to cut and fix at this point that what a competent center-right President would do in one or two terms and what a "real conservative" would do are indistinguishable.

224 Don't like what I'm saying? Keep on listening, I'll say something you like eventually!

225 I promise I'll always make decisions that are in the best interests of the American people. And by American people, I mean Mitt Romney.

226 you're a big Mark Levin fan huh? Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Ban k1rwm) at October 11, 2011 02:54 PM (yAor6) Dont listen to radio. Just dont like smarmy liars in office. I love some peoples defense of romney being a rino like reagan, thing is though reagan was no smarmy liar

227 A true conservative endorsing another!! /

228

195 The best case scenario if Romney somehow gets elected is that he's campaigning like Odumdum in '08 and not revealing what his true agenda is.

What do you call the 59 point jobs plan that Romney released?  A state secret?

229 Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 11, 2011 02:59 PM (b68Df) He is from massachusetts? I thought he was from nh/michigan/every state that would give him an electoral advantage. I havent seem he tout anything he did as massachusetts governor. It's cause he sucked. He was terrible he left iffice after half a term to campaign fir president. He seems to be from new hampshire now. He'll buy a house anywhere if it gets him Votes must be the logical reason then

230

>>What do you call the 59 point jobs plan that Romney released?  A state secret?Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 11, 2011 03:08 PM (b68Df)

A midnight whisper in a dark closet from weeks ago.

Let's hear him pound it til it cracks the pavement.

231 You government has continually failed you. The most important thing to get the economy going again is stability. I promise to deliver to the business community the stability from Washington they so desperately need.

232 Oh yeah. He did run for gov in 2002. He was the one to the left o ted kennedy

233 233You government has continually failed you. The most important thing to get the economy going again is stability. I promise to deliver to the business community the stability from Washington they so desperately need.

Posted by: Romney 2012!!! at October 11, 2011 03:12 PM (D5hxK)

 

and by "stability" i mean bailouts for all my friends!

234 231 Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 11, 2011 02:59 PM (b68Df)

He is from massachusetts? I thought he was from nh/michigan/every state that would give him an electoral advantage. I havent seem he tout anything he did as massachusetts governor. It's cause he sucked. He was terrible he left iffice after half a term to campaign fir president. He seems to be from new hampshire now.

He'll buy a house anywhere if it gets him
Votes must be the logical reason then   Every state that will give him an electoral advantage?  Has he run for office in any of those states?  No, he simply has ties to them, and that is a bad thing?   LOL at serving half a term, you are thinking of Sarah Palin!  Romney served a full term.   Oh, and he has mentioned his accomplishments as Governor.  One being, that he came into office with a state deficit of $ 3 Billion in 2002 had and turned it into a surplus by 2006.

235 I'm still waiting for France's and Germany's endorsements. Any idea when we're supposed to hear from them?

236 >>>He is from massachusetts? I thought he was from nh/michigan/every state that would give him an electoral advantage. I havent seem he tout anything he did as massachusetts governor. It's cause he sucked. He was terrible he left iffice after half a term to campaign fir president. He seems to be from new hampshire now.

Now you're just behaving like a retard.  Since when did Romney leave office after half a term?  He served his full term from 2002 to 2006, and after he left office began to campaign for President in 2007.  You're thinking of Sarah Simpleton.

And Romney was born in Michigan, and has ties to it because his father was a beloved auto executive and governor of the state.  He owns a place on New Hampshire, but I've never heard ANYONE (except you, I guess) say that he was "from" there.  He merely has the 'home-field' advantage because it's close to his home state of Massachusetts.  Where he went to school, lived, worked, built a wildly successful business, and governed -- that enough of a connection for you?

Don't take this the wrong way, but you're basically an ignoramus.

237

That would be a gamechanger.  If the eternal judge of the living and the dead endorses Romney, I will definitely give him a second look.

How does the angel Moroni do for you?

238 >>>and Hoeven, Nebraska (conservative).

And John Hoeven is not really very conservative, I might point out.  Socially, yes.  But his profile is of a well-loved "bipartisan" reach-across-the-aisle guy, not a Jim DeMint.

Also, Hoeven is from North Dakota, not Nebraska.

239 ""what i also hate , hate about this. is if Romney wins the primary i have to walk back all the screaming I did about obamacare and infringments and intrusion of our rights to make our own health choices  Posted by: willow"

Here's my plan: swallow my pride and save it for Jan. 21, 2013. That's when we stoke up the fire used to hold against Romney's feet."

I won.

240 "Oh, and he has mentioned his accomplishments as Governor.  One being, that he came into office with a state deficit of $ 3 Billion in 2002 had and turned it into a surplus by 2006."

This is a completely untrue claim and Romney's fans parrot it over and over.

This represents simply fuzzy math.  Romney inherited a $1.2 billion budget gap, and left a $1.3 billion budget gap.  He likes to call some deficit something else, I guess.

Also, Romneycare ALONE has lost $8 billion.

Romney was a miserable failure of a governor, and to the left of his democrat opponent because he needed to prove to MA he was truly liberal.  That's why he banned some guns.  That's why he increased the gun tax to $100 per gun, a massive increase from $25.  Then, the liberals thanks Romney because it led to a massive decrease in registered gun owners, especially in poor areas of MA that actually need more gun owners, in my opinion.

The only way to say Romney accomplished anything is to make something up, usually by sophistry surrounding numbers.  But everything bad in MA is blamed on how democrats had complete control.  That's how Romney defends the tax hikes and spending hikes. 

He simply was ineffective and either steamrolled or cooperating.  Never was he an agent of conservative reform.

Rick Perry has this notion that Texas does well for two reasons.  We have regulation stasis.  We don't change it up to save the world over and over.  Businesses know what to expect down the road.  And we have a balanced budget amendment, which in Texas is the source of some hassle, but we deal with it and it's so much better than the deficits of other large states.

Ask Reggie what year in Romney's term MA's total debt went down.  It never did.  The idea he left a budget surplus is simply not true.  They always went further into debt.

Texas needs bonds to pay for things on a day to day basis, but year over year over year, they do not go into debt.  Perry is the first Governor in Texas since WWII to decrease the size of the Texas government.

Romney fans can try to nit pick in sophist's ways, but the fact is pretty clear that Romney has no clue how to run a government or how to get America on track, and Perry's ideas are very good and clear.  A balanced budget amendment is the single best reform.  The other one is entitlement reform, and Romney is out every day warning Americans that Perry might take their goodies away.  He has no credibility as a conservative.  His main accomplishment is a nasty entitlement.

241

There's so much crap to cut and fix at this point that what a competent center-right President would do in one or two terms and what a "real conservative" would do are indistinguishable.

This is complete and total bullshit. You talk about 'cutting and fixing' like politicians do. What, exactly? What a conservative would cut vs. a 'competent center-right President', how a conservative would implement fixes and what fixes would be implemented, it is all the difference in the world.

The legitimate criticism of Romney is that he won't do what he promises to. The stupid criticism is that he's not promising a sufficiently conservative agenda.

See above to find out why I am so glad this is still more total bullshit, and you are actually not in a position to dictate to anyone else what is or isn't a legitimate form of criticism.

242

#230 - in addition to the 59 point economic plan he gave a large foreign policy/military speech last week.  He's putting plans out there, not being stealth

#233 - don't be so dismissive.  Businesses need some stability in tax policy, accounting rules, regulatory rules, etc to plan effective and to hire future workers.  One of the reasons businesses are holding back is because of all the changes O pushed through/is trying to push through.  If Romney (or Perry or other) can help stabilize the environment that will help

#231, 234 - we got it, you hate Romney and won't bother to look at his record.

243 "The stupid criticism is that he's not promising a sufficiently conservative agenda."

?

Who the hell cares what Romney's agenda is, if we know by now he repeatedly just changes his position shamelessly?  He means none of it.

Unlike most, I've read Romney's 160 page agenda.  IT IS NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH.  NOWHERE DOES IT PROMISE A BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT OR A REPEAL TO OBAMACARE.

244

What if all the Republicans who want to be president run in the primaries, but they only count the votes for the campaign's frontrunners?

(That's how they do it in NASCAR.)

245 "#231, 234 - we got it, you hate Romney and won't bother to look at his record.

Posted by: nobama12 at October 11, 2011 03:30 PM (ykY2u)"

This is an attempt to claim that Romney's record is good, when it's awful.

A gun tax of $100 is awful. 

Forcing people to buy health insurance in awful.

Budget proposals with 10% spending increases are awful, especially in MA, which already spends 50% more per capita than Texas does.

His record sucks.  Any time someone specifically lays it out, Romney's fans insist there's a good excuse, it's not Romney's fault, or they even lie.  But that's Romney's record.

He governed like Obama, and then flip flopped and reinvented himself in 2007.

246 Mitt: "when you see your friends with signs that say keep your hands off our Medicare, they are absolutely right." @allahpundit @guypbenson

Panderer.

247 philipaklein Christie said we needed candidate with guts to address entitlements. Then endorses Romney, who won't touch them. Politics is funny.

248 "Since when did Romney leave office after half a term?  He served his full term from 2002 to 2006,"

No, Jeff, you're the one being ignorant.  He didn't say he resigned.  He said he basically left office.  This is true.  Romney spent the last year and many months more campaigning for president and not really doing anything as governor.  His state polls were already terrible and he knew he couldn't possibly win reelection after one short failed term.

You are taking this argument and twisting it into a strawman that someone says Romney resigned.  that's basically all you've got, though.  Romney really was an absentee governor for the latter half of his term.  Palin was too, but she resigned first.  I think Palin's way is much more honorable, but then, no one honestly thinks Romney is honorable.

249 34 So after the most crushing pickup for the GOP in my lifetime, the party elites have decided to nominate the only guy who will kill Republican voter enthusiasm. This must be some of that 12th dimensional chess strategy that morons like me just don't understand.
  Barack Obama will maintain voter enthusiams among Republicans (except among those types who'd rather drive off a cliff than vote for Romney).  Romney will have greater potential of bringing in northern states as well.

250 If you like your guns, you can keep your...

Ah, who am I kidding, cough 'em up wingnuts.

251 It's striking on many blogs just how badly divided the right is over Romney.

They aren't this way about Cain or Perry.  I don't think they would be about Newt... maybe.

But Romney?  He simply can't hold the tent together.  You have this huge fight because so many think he's going to INCREASE entitlements, or at least refuse to reform them down, and then others condemn on personal terms actual conservatives who don't trust a man who lies to our face all the time.

It's tearing the party apart.  It's going to be much worse than the division under Mccain, because we are desperate to end Obamacare and balance the budget.  The problem is much worse now, and the Tea Party has risen.

I think many Romney fans don't understand this.  They think they can con the right into supporting Romney, and Romney can then con the left and middle into supporting Romney, and he thus gets more votes as a better panderer.  This probably isn't going to work in 2012.  We aren't that stupid.

252

 I think Palin's way is much more honorable, but then, no one honestly thinks Romney is honorable.

Actually Dustin, that is complete horseshit.

It seems the Perry people have resorted to become smear merchants to salvage the catastrophically waged campaign of their chosen candidate.

Do you not realize that Rick Perry PROMISED he would not run for President in his last campaign for Governor?  I've never referred to the man as a liar, or dishonorable. 

I've also never insinuated him to be a racist or heartless as he has done me along with millions of other conservatives.

253

135 Romney is sufficiently conservative, and he is the anti-SCOAMF.  That's pretty good.

Posted by: ParisParamus at October 11, 2011 02:23 PM (+QuQ/)

 

Sufficiently conservative? Puh-lease. Romney will pretend he's conservative during the primary season, will stay slightly right during the general election campaign because that's where the populace is at, then will govern like a moderate Democrat (at best) because that's where his heart is at. Plus, being unprincipled, Romney won't have the stomach to fight back against the constant attacks by the Left and the Leftist media if he becomes POTUS. I can only imagine the disasters he will nominate to the SCOTUS.

Personally, instead of Romney being the GOP nominee and actually winning the election, I'd prefer Obama gets reelected and the GOP wins the Senate and increases their majority in the House. But if Obama gets reelected, I don't see how the GOP ends up winning control of the House and Senate. The whole situation sucks.

254 God spare us a Romney nomination.  If that happens, I may just jettison my principles (like they've been that useful anyway), vote Democrat, and live off public money.  Might as well join the winning team, not to mention the team that doesn't seem so damned eager to shoot itself in the foot.

255 Reason has a great article demolishing Romney with his own words.

I can't link it here.  It's called "panderer in chief".

Romney wants to spend MORE on things.  To pander.

On the campaign trail, Romney has savaged Obama's proposed Medicare cuts—the sign "keep your hands off our Medicare" is "absolutely right," he insists—and he has attacked Perry for questioning the constitutionality of Social Security.

I linked it if you click my name below this comment.

It makes a great point about Perry.  What the hell is wrong with Perry that he can't demolish Romney?  The guy is such a shameless and dishonest loser with an awful record.  Conservatives who understand Romney won't vote him, period.

256 " Romney is sufficiently conservative, and he is the anti-SCOAMF.  That's pretty good.

Posted by: ParisParamus at October 11, 2011 02:23 PM (+QuQ/)"

The article linked in my name PROVES you wrong.

On the campaign trail, Romney has savaged Obama's proposed Medicare cuts—the sign "keep your hands off our Medicare" is "absolutely right," he insists—and he has attacked Perry for questioning the constitutionality of Social Security.

Romney is not conservative.  He might say the right things sometimes to us, while saying the opposite to someone else, but he means it when he boosts and panders entitlements. His record proves that.

Romney isn't even moderate.  He's very liberal.

257

#256 - blogs represent a very small self-selected group of voters.  The viral anti-Romney attitude that permeates here/HA/elsewhere is probably not nearly as prevalent in the general public.  Ironic that the minority saying they won't vote for Romney if he is the nominee is then turning around and calling the GOP party inflexible.

It is way too early to talk about holding the tent together.  You may not remember 1980 but Bush and Reagan were far apart but then the party came together after the nominee was chosen

Would we like Romney to be more conservative?  sure, but sitting home so O gets reelected is foolish. 

258 He's MORE liberal than Obama! He's pandering to Obama's LEFT on spending!

259 Romney is actually condemning Obama for not spending enough on entitlements!  That's the import of the quotes in the article linked to my handle.

260 Anyone saying Romney opposition is just a few nuts on the internet must have slept through 2010, when this problem sank several races.  And I guess they missed the Tea Party too.  These guys will boo Romney.

261 Romney isn't even moderate.  He's very liberal.

OK Dustin.  I look forward to your delusion-based misery.

262 Dustin is hyperventilating. Somebody quick get a paper bag.

263

Seems like only yesterday Ann Coulter said something like "if the Republicans want to win, they need to nominate Christie. If they don't nominate Christie, they'll nominate Romney, and he'll lose."

I'm interested to here from her now that Christie has endorsed the sure loser (from her quote).

264 "OK Dustin.  I look forward to your delusion-based misery.

Posted by: ParisParamus at October 11, 2011 03:56 PM (bN5ZU)"

Yeah, I know.  Romney fans are tearing this party apart with this sneering attitude.  They actually act like they want to put conservatives in their place by beating them.  They don't want to unite and reform anything.  They just want to restore the proper order, with righties just voting for Mccain, Dole, Bush 41 because it's their turn and the elites decided.

I just proved that Mitt Romney is criticizing Obama for not spending enough on entitlements.  You can't sneer away my conclusion that Mitt Romney is very liberal, and pretending to be conservative.  I have proven this to be the case.

265 You haven't proved squat you arrogant passive aggressive ass.

266 " Dustin is hyperventilating. Somebody quick get a paper bag.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 11, 2011 03:57 PM (loxcN)"

Cause it's just crazy, right?  I must be deranged.

Anyone who rejects a GOP candidate who is running to Obama's LEFT on spending and entitlements must be a crazy loser.

Or maybe Romney fans have nothing but insults because they looked at my argument and realized I was correct, and they can't beat me on the facts.  I can quote Romney demanding MORE entitlement spending than OBAMA wants.  He panders to the left and he is insincere when he pretends to be conservative.

267 >>>He's MORE liberal than Obama! He's pandering to Obama's LEFT on spending!

You're a spazz, you know that?

268 " You haven't proved squat you arrogant passive aggressive ass.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 11, 2011 04:00 PM (loxcN)"

Insult insult insult, but what's passive aggressive about my argument?

I directly QUOTED ROMNEY CRITICIZING OBAMA AND DEMANDING MORE ENTITLEMENT SPENDING THAN EVEN OBAMA.

Maybe you aren't familiar with the English language, but that's not passive aggressive.  I'm not hiding my direct beef with Romney at all.

Click the link in my name and got to an article posted today explaining exactly how liberal Romney really is.

Let me quote Romney again

On the campaign trail, Romney has savaged Obama's proposed Medicare cuts—the sign "keep your hands off our Medicare" is "absolutely right," he insists—and he has attacked Perry for questioning the constitutionality of Social Security.

And that's why Romney's fans are resorting to childish insults.  They know Romney just proved to the world exactly what he believes.

269

Romney isn't even moderate.  He's very liberal.

Anyone who is aware of  Romney's full record and proposals knows that this untrue.  It's crap you throw against the wall, hoping it will stick.

270 Sarah Palin - Defending the Republic - http://tinyurl.com/6bdpfvz

271 Has Romney ever been asked if he'd sign the Ryan Plan on entitlement reform? All this talk about entitlements during the debate about what to do, and all the heavy lifting has already been done by Paul Ryan.

272 2012 will be a revolutionary political campaign - The Ruling Class vs. The Ruled.  Romney is a Ruling Class member in good standing.  Perry is a Ruling Class member in good standing - second rank.  Have fun, guys.

273 "You're a spazz, you know that?

Posted by: Jeff B., what knows from spazzes. at October 11, 2011 04:02 PM (XonkM)"

I think you're a spaz, actually.  You keep acting hysterically whenever anyone criticizes Romney with the facts. 

Your arguments usually amount to nothing more than an insult.

Mine are bona fide arguments.  I show you evidence why I feel this way.

Yes, I am passionately opposed to Romney's plan to spend more on entitlements.  That's not spastic because our nation is in serious crisis right now, needing real leaders to cut spending. 

You aren't a conservative if you don't take this problem seriously.  Romney is part of the problem.  I proved it, and so far Romney's fans have attempted to argue back by calling me names.

It's pathetic.

274 >>>Yeah, I know.  Romney fans are tearing this party apart with this sneering attitude.  They actually act like they want to put conservatives in their place by beating them.

No, but I wouldn't mind shutting your shrieking ass up.  God, you have become such a miserable whining prick since Perry went south.  IT'S NOT OUR FAULT, DUSTIN.  IT'S NOT OUR FAULT PERRY IS A MISERABLE FAILURE AS A CANDIDATE.  Romney didn't do it to him, "the elites" didn't do it to him, God didn't do it to him -- Perry did it to his own damn self and has nobody else to blame.

Stop playing "Gotterdammerung," okay?  I know, fucking sucks to see a guy you strongly backed flop.  But now you're just going insane, lashing out at anyone and everyone that disagrees, and you know what?  It *does* make me, just for a moment, think that a fringe benefit to Romney winning the Presidency and doing it without YOU will be proving that you are not the Godhead and don't get to play dictator when it comes to telling the rest of us who is and isn't truly conservative.  That schtick (which I started playing myself recently in disgusted parody of the "You're all RINOs!" club) is rapidly becoming tired. 

What happens if/when Romney wins the GOP nomination with an overall majority of the GOP base's vote?  Are we all to be cast into the wilderness at that point?  Is everyone except for you and your survivalist cadre of True Believers to be consigned to "The Enemy?" 

I tire of you.

275 /semi-sock off.

276 "Anyone who is aware of  Romney's full record and proposals knows that this untrue.  It's crap you throw against the wall, hoping it will stick.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 11, 2011 04:03 PM (b68Df)"

It's ROMNEY'S OWN WORDS.  He is saying he wants more entitlement spending.  

You talk of this mythical secret knowledge or Romney's full record.  I assume you mean to excuse Romney for all the liberal things he did because the democrats constantly beat him in legislation.

What solid and lasting conservative accomplishment has Romney achieved?

Instead of insulting me, make a damn argument like an adult.  You Romney fans are acting like babies, screaming silliness.

Did Romney criticize Obama for not spending enough on entitlements?  Yes.  I linked it.  It's true.  Did Romney tax guns at $100?  Yes.  Did Romney impose a mandate forcing people to buy health insurance?  Yes.  Did that mandate lose money to the tune of $8 billion?  Yes.

This is not a conservative record.

277

The only way to say Romney accomplished anything is to make something up, usually by sophistry surrounding numbers.

The man will say anything. You can't trust a thing a says, or at least you shouldn't, given his well noted proclivity toward shameless pandering and lying.

And you put it quite quite well. That is what you will get if you elect him: sophistry surrounded by numbers.

278 "No, but I wouldn't mind shutting your shrieking ass up."

Ohhhhh internet tough guy!

But I have the argument.  I linked Romney pandering so badly he's promising MORE entitlement spending than Obama.

All Jeff has is to insult me more and beg me to stop arguing.

"It *does* make me, just for a moment, think that a fringe benefit to Romney winning the Presidency and doing it without YOU will be proving that you are not the Godhead and don't get to play dictator when it comes to telling the rest of us who is and isn't truly conservative."

Wow, and you're me a spaz, napoleon?

It doesn't even sound like you're familiar with my argument.  But you want a coalition without conservatives?  OK.  That's probably what Romney will have to settle for.

I'm not a purist by any stretch, though.  You are burning a straw man to pretend I am.  I support moderate Republicans all the time.  But Romney is not moderate.  He is to the left of Obama on entitlement spending.  He refuses the kinds of reforms Perry promises, such as repealing Obamacare and pushing for a balanced budget amendment.

These are just facts.  I can tolerate a moderate Republican and have many times.  I usually argue AGAINST the purists.

Romney is simply too much for an honest Republican to support in the primary.

279

Q. What happens if/when Romney McCain wins the GOP nomination with an overall majority of the GOP base's vote?

A: Barrack Obama gets elected.

280 I like Christie as Gov. of NJ.  I do not like Romney, nor do I think he is a conservative, no matter what the MittBotts here and elsewhere might believe.  (Obamney Care, anyone?)  Mitt's just more big gov't from the so-called "other side of the aisle." 

I hope Mitt's not our candidate.  If he is I will fortify myself to vote for him, but only because of the specter of SCOAMF for another 4 years.   

281

"On the campaign trail, Romney has savaged Obama's proposed Medicare cuts"

This is from the anti-Romney article that Dustin links.

To those who are somewhat observant of this campaign, they'll know what  strategy Romney is employing here.

The Medicare cuts he is referring to are directly linked to OBAMACARE.  He's taking the old Mediscare technique used by the Dems for years and turning it around on on them by opposing Obamacare.  That's not being liberal at all. It's smart politics.

 

 

282 >>>I think you're a spaz, actually.  You keep acting hysterically whenever anyone criticizes Romney with the facts.

You are also apparently impervious to self-mockery.  Why do you think I signed my name the way I did?  I know a little bit about flying off the handle.  Enough that when I'M calling someone else out for it, you KNOW you're truly out of control.

One of your biggest problems, Dustin, is that you absolutely lack any sense of humor about yourself, or your politics.  It gets fucking tiresome to see page after page of angry, dial-turned-to-eleven ranting from you -- and again, this is coming from a guy who knows a bit about long ranty posts.  But at least I can take two steps back. 

I said at the outset that I'd be happy to pull the lever for either Perry or Romney in a general election.  I'll add Cain to that equation, even though I'm certain he would be pasted by Obama in the general.  And I have a lot of problems with Perry -- I don't think he's nearly as conservative as you seem to think, I in fact think he has 'underperformed' relative to the actual conservative possibilities of a heavy GOP state like Texas in the exact opposite way that Romney rather 'overperformed" for a Republican trying to work in Massachusetts -- but you don't see me foaming at the mouth about him. 

Stop acting as if every candidate you don't support is the fucking anti-Christ and maybe people will take you more seriously.  As it is, a lot of folks around here are beginning to roll their eyes whenever they see a post of yours...even the Perry supporters.  You're rapidly descending into "curious" territory.

283 Jeff, while you're typing up the next long rant with no argument and lots of personal insults against me, a person you don't even know, for the sole sin of rejecting Romney, maybe you should pause and write an argument explaining why it's OK to promise more entitlement spending than Obama.

That's all I linked.  That's Romney's actual campaign.

I support moderates.  You haven't been a commenter as long as I have, but most here probably remember that I usually am the pragmatic arguing for a moderate in cases where he's far more electable.  Purist?  Purists usually really disagree with me on this stuff.

You're always ranting all these personal insults, and I guess there are 4-5 other Romney fanatics who do the same.   It's not persuasive.  Do you really think the people who clicked my link and read Romney promise more entitlement spending than Obama even care if I'm this horrible person?  I don't matter.  But you look nasty and prove my point that Romney as candidate will tear the party apart.  He is definitely who Obama wishes to run against.

Perry is hardly perfect, and I've criticized him here and on other blogs for years, though I think he's pretty solid and he's my preference.  Actually, this is because I'm not a purist that I support him.  I'll take a 80% ally like Perry over rejecting him and being divided. 

The only way Romney wins is if the conservatives don't rally around Cain or Perry.  I will take the 80% conservative over a very liberal candidate.

I think Obama is very liberal on entitlements, and therefore I think Romney pandering for MORE entitlements than Obama is necessarily very liberal on entitlements.  The link is still my name below this comment.

There is nothing hysterical or dishonest about my argument, and all you've got to reply is to tell me you hate me?  I think that's pathetic.  You actually sit around hating people on comments on blogs if they don't agree with you.  What a fucking loser.

284

Worried about the Tea party abandoning the GOP if they nominate a squish? I'll take that dare.

285 >>>The Medicare cuts he is referring to are directly linked to OBAMACARE.  He's taking the old Mediscare technique used by the Dems for years and turning it around on on them by opposing Obamacare.  That's not being liberal at all. It's smart politics.

Fuck you and your so-called "facts," Reggie -- you don't seem to understand that Mitt Romney's political lodestar is Karl Marx, and that he would actually be MORE liberal than Barack Obama.

Seriously, people: Dustin is so spazzed out by Perry's decline and Romney's threatened ascendancy that he's actually reduced to trying to scare us with the farcical argument that not only is Mitt Romney a RINO, why he's actually MORE liberal than Barack Obama.  Any weapon to hand, right?

286

 That's not being liberal at all. It's smart politics.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 11, 2011 04:17 PM (b68Df)

No it isn't.  How's Romney gonna reform entitlements after saying this stuff?  If Mitt is a smart politician, why does most of the base despise him (don't bothering answering, I know - it's because we can't recognize what a great politician he is.)

287 "

To those who are somewhat observant of this campaign, they'll know what  strategy Romney is employing here.

The Medicare cuts he is referring to are directly linked to OBAMACARE.  He's taking the old Mediscare technique used by the Dems for years and turning it around on on them by opposing Obamacare.  That's not being liberal at all. It's smart politics.

 

 

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 11, 2011 04:17 PM (b68Df)"

It's a straight pander.

On the campaign trail, Romney has savaged Obama's proposed Medicare cuts—the sign "keep your hands off our Medicare" is "absolutely right," he insists—and he has attacked Perry for questioning the constitutionality of Social Security.

We need to get our hands ON these entitlements and cut them, because we are spending a trillion more dollars every year than we have to spend, and that means we are screwing our kids and their kids with massive debt.

Romney is WRONG and he is pandering.

288 If you like your pandering, do-nothing, socialist politicians, you can keep your pandering, do-nothing, socialist politicians.

289 >>>You haven't been a commenter as long as I have,

I don't usually get into these sorts of dick-measuring contests, but this is amusing.  You do realize that I've been here as long as the blog has, pretty much, yes? Since January or February of 2004, at least. 

290

That would be a gamechanger.  If the eternal judge of the living and the dead endorses Romney, I will definitely give him a second look.

How does the angel Moroni do for you?

Nah.  Romney probably paid him off.  Where do you think he got the gold for those plates, hmm?

291 >>>There is nothing hysterical or dishonest about my argument, and all you've got to reply is to tell me you hate me?

I don't hate you, not at all.  Life is too damn short to hate ANYONE except for terrorists and Scandis.

I pity you.  I genuinely feel bad for you. 

292 Was Romney a smart politician in MA as well?  Oh wait, his record is excused there because the democrats had power, right?  Romney pandered for health insurance reform, and now MA has an entitlement losing $8 billion.

Remember, Reggie claims Romney saved their budget FROM a deficit.  this is pure sophistry.  The amount of money MA is losing from Romney's entitlement is massive.  Many times more than the deficit Romney inherited.

If you personally do not think entitlements must be reformed, then I guess Romney might be your guy.  I do think we have no choice,  because we're spending more than we can afford, and entitlements are the massive unfunded liability screwing the next few generations of Americans.  That is what we need to fix, and that is what Romney is promising to keep his hands off of, simply because he thinks that will net him some votes for goodies.

This is why Romney was a passionate pro lifer in 2007, yet a passionate outspoken pro choicer from the 1980s to 2007.  He's a panderer.

Conservatives can't even tale solace in the conservative things Romney says, because we aren't stupid.  We know he's lying again.

This is a difficult position to defend Romney from, and that's why his fans are acting like I just murdered their family for linking it and explaining in good faith.  That's how bad it is.

293 Reggie just told you exactly what Romney was referring to regard to Medicare cuts but you are either intellectually handicapped or a Michael Moore wannabe. I disagree with JeffB probably more than I agree with him but you don't come close to his intellect and it's amusing to see you trying to keep up.

294 "I pity you.  I genuinely feel bad for you. 

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 11, 2011 04:27 PM (XonkM)"

You really need to have an argument by now.  You've insulted me at least a dozen times now, and you have no explanation for why I'm incorrect.

It's pathetic.

Click my link to see why Jeff hates my guts.  Does he hate your guts too?

295 270You haven't proved squat you arrogant passive aggressive ass.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 11, 2011 04:00 PM (loxcN)

 

he has proven what a lot of us already know, Romney is McCain with nicer hair.

296

266

OK Dustin. I look forward to your delusion-based misery.

Posted by: ParisParamus at October 11, 2011 03:56 PM (bN5ZU)

Dustin's right. All the so-called conservatives and registered Republicans supporting Romney should be ashamed for pushing the guy. Romney signs into law the state health insurance program that served as a template for ObamaCare, which is opposed by 60+% of the country, and panders to the general public by demonizing Perry for rightfully criticizing Social Security. These are views that actually make Romney sound like he's trying to become the Democrats' nominee for POTUS. The guy has been running for POTUS for over 4 years and still struggles to crack 25% in national polls among Republicans. There is a reason for that, especially among those of us that have been watching Romney for two decades.

I lived in NH most of my life so I got to see Romney up close. The man will simply back down and shift to the left when he is attacked by Democrats. I still remember the Senate campaign he ran against Ted Kennedy back in '94. The race was neck and neck with only a few weeks before the election but when the media and Democrats started attacking him, he tacked to the left and since he now didn't sound much different than the longtime incumbent Kennedy, he lost badly. It was a collapse of epic proportions. Then, as Massachusetts Governor, he signed the horrible (and failing) Romneycare into law then after only one term in office decided to start running for POTUS, which resulted in the election of one of the country's most liberal Governors, Deval Patrick, who is best friends with Obama.

Romney will only result in Republicans who supported him spending four years either making excuses for what he does policy wise or having to ignore it when he lets you down. One can only imagine the horrible SCOTUS nominees he will put forward. Thus, not only will Romney undoubtedly turn his back on any conservative principles that he pretends to believe in and support right now, but you will have to do same thing in order to continue supporting Romney when he's POTUS. To be honest, you already have to turn a blind eye to his past (and likely future) indiscretions to support him as the GOP nominee.

BTW, I voted for Romney in the 2008 primary to try to stop McCain's nomination, which I suspected would be even more disastrous for conservatism than Romney's...but now I'm not so sure there was much of a difference between the two (and Romney may actually be more liberal). Bottom line: for a political party that leans to the right, why does the GOP consider nominees like Romney that are simply not conservatives? It's frustrating, especially considering how far Left the Democrats' nominee will be in 2012.

297 "Reggie just told you exactly what Romney was referring to regard to Medicare cuts but you are either intellectually handicapped or a Michael Moore wannabe.

I disagree with JeffB probably more than I agree with him but you don't come close to his intellect and it's amusing to see you trying to keep up.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 11, 2011 04:28 PM (loxcN)"

How can you say I don't match Jeff's intellect, when his argument in simply to insult me, and mine is to lay out some facts and take it to a logical conclusion?

Frankly, I'm not really worried about impressing the Romney shills with my intellect anyway.  I doubt very much anyone cares about that.

Reggie actually failed to explain why Romney promised to keep hands off entitlements.  He is employing sophistry.  It's true that Obama is a hypocrite to cut medicare AND promise to save it from Republicans who want to cut it.

That is not at all what Romney said.  Romney said he wouldn't cut it, and did not criticize Obama from the right.  He simply promised to out pander Obama and spend more on entitlements than Obama wants to.

Never does Romney say 'we need to cut these entitlements to keep them solvent'.  That is the argument you were looking for.  You won't find it from Romney.

But anyway, all you nuts screaming and insulting me will have to keep boasting about your intelligence instead of displaying it, I imagine.

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#265 - this argument sank a few a candidacies but in the opposite way that you intend - it was nominating tea party favorites like O'Donnell and Angle and others who then blew up in the general and cost the GOP a few seats

As for the internet being the all authoritative voice most of the GOPers I konw (and indies) are ok with Romney, interested in Cain, and think Perry is a blig flop so far.  Just because they aren't screaming these opinions onto the internet doesn't mean they don't exist.

299 Posted by: Dustin at October 11, 2011 04:29 PM (fF625)

You hit a nerve Dustin.  That's why they've been screaming invective at you.

300 "BTW, I voted for Romney in the 2008 primary to try to stop McCain's nomination,"

Me too, Slappy.  Romney was better than Huckabee and Mccain, though this was before I really learned all of Romney's positions.

By the time it got that bad in 2008, the right had rejected several better candidates.  This could happen this year too if we're not careful.

301 #300 I didn't know McCain was a former Governor that took office with 1.5 billion deficit and left with a 300 million surplus. I didn't know McCain had vetoed in state tuition for illegals. That doesn't quite sound like McCain. Sounds like Perry though.

302 My special thanks to all the Romnoids and Perry Krishnas.  I needed the laugh, fellas.

303 Bevel I'm surprised to see you posting. I thought you would be too exhausted waiting for that notice from you employer confirming you had insurance.

304 "I don't usually get into these sorts of dick-measuring contests, but this is amusing.  You do realize that I've been here as long as the blog has, pretty much, yes? Since January or February of 2004, at least. 

Posted by: Jeff B. at October 11, 2011 04:25 PM (XonkM)"

Congratulations.

You lose, for what it's worth (nothing), and you're the guy who brought up length of time commenting here. 

I don't care about it, but it's true that anyone reading the comments here for the past several years knows I'm not a purist.  You either know that and are a liar, or you don't know me as well as you pretended to when dismissing me as an unreasonable purist because I reject Romney to favor two other candidates.

I am writing actual thoughtful arguments, and all you're doing is saying I'm stupid, and I haven't been here as long as you, and you hope I really have to deal with defeat, and you want a tent that excludes my political view.  It's all petty and stupid, but I guess you can type those kinds of comments much faster than I can type a more reasoned argument.

That's what you're doing, right?  Spamming away insults for anyone who rejects Romney?

When you claimed I was spastic, you were projecting.

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305 "Me too, Slappy.  Romney was better than Huckabee and Mccain, though this was before I really learned all of Romney's positions."

 

I don't even have that excuse, Dustin, as I knew Romney's foibles as a candidate but I still thought he was preferable to McCain or Huckabee. I was initially a Fred Thompson supporter but he had dropped out by the time I voted in my state's primary.

Romney has an impressive private sector record, but his public sector record is mediocre to poor. Frankly, I don't trust the guy, as he doesn't have many core principles on matters of public policy, which is why he's always changing his opinions (though he seems to feel very comfortable parroting lines usually uttered by Democrats).

306 I didn't know McCain was a former Governor that took office with 1.5 billion deficit and left with a 300 million surplus. horrible health care system.

Corrected for accuracy.

By the way, in 1998, Massachusetts had a budget surplus of $1.05 billion.  Maybe you should go dig up Paul Cellucci since he's about $700 million more a God than Mitt.

307 >>You do realize that I've been here as long as the blog has, pretty much, yes? Since January or February of 2004, at least. 
Posted by: Jeff B. at October 11, 2011 04:25 PM (XonkM)

_{Yeah about that, way past time to go home and hit the showers.}

308

Reggie actually failed to explain why Romney promised to keep hands off entitlements.  He is employing sophistry.  It's true that Obama is a hypocrite to cut medicare AND promise to save it from Republicans who want to cut it.

Actually Romney directly linked the cutting of Medicare with Obamacare in the debate.  It was an exceptionally adroit move politically. 

So your accusation of sophistry on my part is completely without merit.

309 And I know some of you won't: but seriously reconsider Romney.  I know some of you just think he's more electable, and I agree beating Obama is the most important factor.

But Romney actually helped being Obamacare into being.  His staff actually helped make it happen, meeting 12 times if I heard correctly at the White House.

I think some of you have been fooled.  Just give a good faith look at Romney's record.

The guy is a panderer, so don't fall for it.  This country can do better.  We can't get a 100% conservative this round.  Our choices are all imperfect.  Cain sounds great, but he's got little experience and both he and Perry say stupid things sometimes.  Perry apparently can't debater properly despite his awesome record, and it's embarrassing that he can't crush Romney with the facts we have about him.

And maybe reconsider Newt, though I don't support him, because he really does hit the right notes in these debates.

Look at Obama's polls in Ohio and PA and realize that we do not have to compromise all the way to Mccain levels or even worse.  In fact, I think that's counterproductive.

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306 #300 I didn't know McCain was a former Governor that took office with 1.5 billion deficit and left with a 300 million surplus. I didn't know McCain had vetoed in state tuition for illegals. That doesn't quite sound like McCain. Sounds like Perry though.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 11, 2011 04:36 PM (loxcN)

Your selective use of facts is very interesting. That's an intellectually dishonest debate tactic. Romney's stewardship of the Massachusetts budget was fine considering he was dealing with a state legislature that was controlled, with large margins, but the Democrats. But, overall, Romney left the state in worse condition budget-wise based largely on him signing Romneycare into law (which you left out of your comparisons to Perry), as that program destroyed any state surplus, real or imagined. And this is supposed to be the guy we're going to rely on as POTUS to end ObamaCare?!? Seriously?!?

Perry has indiscretions, too, like the in-state tuition for illegals and the Gardasil mandate, but considering the strongly conservative state legislature in Texas supported the former and the Texas state government has limited options for dealing with illegals (unlike the federal government), it is much more understandable why he supported in-state tuition for illegals. As for the Gardasil issue, he's admitted he was wrong on that issue, which means he's admitted one more mistake than I recall Romney ever admitting, when Romney has many more than Perry to admit to. Romney won't even admit Romneycare was a mistake. But, once again, this is supposed to be the guy we're going to rely on as POTUS to end ObamaCare?!?

 

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IT'S NOT OUR FAULT, DUSTIN.  IT'S NOT OUR FAULT PERRY IS A MISERABLE FAILURE AS A CANDIDATE

I think you make a mistake in assuming all the hate directed at your boy Mitt is on account of butthurt over Rick Perry.

You should probably consider that half of the hype, buzz and support that went after Perry went there looking for any alternative to Mitt Romney.

If Rick Perry is indeed tapped out, then it's on to the Herman Cain train as the next Not-Mitt.

However, my hatred of your horrible suckass slick oily squish technocrat candidate remains consistent.

312 "Romney has an impressive private sector record"

Yes he does, Slappy.  But while Romney has great insight into business, he doesn't lead effective in government, so I think Romney's best role would be advising a leader who can take the heat sometimes.

I know some think Romney can't do that, but he can.  his father was in Nixon's cabinet after a very harsh primary he lost.  I think Mitt can follow.  In fact, Mitt is a major GOP bundler and will surely go to bat for whoever the GOP nominates, which I appreciate despite finding Romney to be a terrible panderer.

It's not like Romney is the devil, or stupid, but I just don't think he's going to reform entitlements or balance the budget.  If you think he will, please explain it to me.  If you agree he won't, I guess you're probably going to vote for someone else.

313 "You should probably consider that half of the hype, buzz and support that went after Perry went there looking for any alternative to Mitt Romney."

Yup.

I would prefer Mitch Daniels or Paul Ryan.  But I explained what I was looking for in a presidential candidate years ago.  And Perry fits the bill best for pretty obvious reasons, I think.

I'm not angry with Romney because of Perry, and no one honestly thought that.  That was a desperate effort to change the subject to bashing Perry and hoping I would bother talking about that.

Romney admitting he's to the left of Obama is not going to do his campaign any favors if people keep talking about it.

Romney's Romneycare advisors helping pass Obamacare won't help either.

And Romney's 'condemn the baptists who don't agree with my religion, even if you never brought that up yourself' is also very likely to backfire.

314 But at least I can take two steps back.

Hark!  What ho hypocrite flappeth his private partes from yonder ramparte?

Oh, hi Jeff.

315

Anyone who thinks Romney will reform entitlements is delusional. They must ignore everything he says.

It's amazing how many people will fall for a good hair and an empty suit.

316

And Romney's 'condemn the baptists who don't agree with my religion, even if you never brought that up yourself' is also very likely to backfire.

Yeah, I heard that too. He's pulling guard.

Just layed down, dragged Perry on top of him, and started crying the righteous morally authorized tears of the Victim, all those mean old fundies are attacking his fringe minority religous beliefs.

And of course, all the mediscaring. (This, the guy who will reform SS?? Are you on crack? Is he lying?)

He's very fluent in the left's paradigms, to be certain.

317 First!

318 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

319 Romney may not be a true conservative--he's certainly not a fiscal conservative--but the tea party and other people concerned about spending and taxes and big government are not going to disappear with his election. Game NOT over. We will be more active than ever, and will be holding his feet and the feet of Congress big spenders to the fire.

He's better than Obama, only because we will have more leverage.

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324 Yeah, it's a shame we didn't have a good, competent, qualified True Conservative candidate running. That's what being decimated by two consecutive Democratic wave elections and 8 years of Bush hollowing out the party's principles will do to your party's bench. That's why we need a nominee like Romney, who will further sell out conservatism and turn off a generation of voters by enshrining the three liberal welfare programs of the last century: SS, Medicare and socialized medicine. 2016 would/will have a crop of qualified conservatives ready to run...because of 2010 and (presumably 2012). Posted by: Jeff B. at October 11, 2011 02:10 PM (XonkM) You're looking to screw the pooch with 2012, and the talent you brought on board recently was largely due to the recruiting and fundraising efforts of Perry at the RGA two consecutive terms.