1

Hey, California Republicans... want a WINNING issue?

Tell Californians you have a choice... a Bankrupt State where we are firing teachers and cops.... or drilling off the F'n Coast....

Those of us who do NOT live on the beach, wayyyy outnumber those who do....

But Repubs here are afraid...

2 Are there any more debates left? If so, someone has to nail RINOmney about being the architect of Obamacare, as well as being a big government statist. I hope they're over. Let Perry and Cain speak plainly. and let RINOmney go get a sleeping bag and get some crabs down at Zucotti Park.

3 Well, If CNN says so, then it's settled.

4 SCOAMF: Drill baby drill is n n n not a p p p p p plan!

5 Well that makes it a bad plan then.  Not enough room for graft.

6 it's proven energy as opposed to pie in the sky half-billion dollar Solyndra crony-fairy-farts, and it stomps the EPA right in their global-warmenin-commie-bullshit faces.

Make a moron commercial Dave, cause that's great.

7 Plan? What's in it for the union bosses? I must be confused.

8 Are we sure we can pick a guy who doesn't have John Holdren advising him on science matters?

9 F&F did the same damn thing this morning:

F&F Weekend has to be the most liberal Fox news show, even beating out the awful asshole Sheppard Smith. And on that show is a libtard just as bad as any on NBC; Clayton Morris. Just watched him go on a rampage against PerryÂ’s economic plan. Oh, its all about TexasÂ’s benefit in the oil industry.  And that old standard libtard refrain; it will not produce anything soon, it has to go through all kinds of exploration, permits, drilling etc before anything comes out of it.

Never mind that the exploration is already done, never mind that the largest impediment right now is Obama thugs denying permits despite court order, and never mind that the largest sources of oil and oil industry ARE NO LONGER IN TX.

Also never mind that a large piece of his program is rolling back the EPA which has run amuck.  Yes. PerryÂ’s program will work immediately. The immediate part comes first from confidence in the administration, opening the permits, and rolling back stifling regulation. Then all the other stuff will start to come about.

But all of this is nothing more than Fox and the MFM trying to name our candidate for us.

10 speaking of California, don't they have significant oil there even without offshore drilling?  There are all sorts of oil fields in the central valley and stuff. Are they tapped out?

11 If Sheriff Biden controls all the money, its starts sounding more like a plan.

12 Posted by: Romeo13 at October 15, 2011 03:55 PM (NtXW4) By the way, Norway (and the Brits) have been drilling in the North Sea for decades. Norway is probably the most enviro-conscious nation on earth and absolutely pristine in its beauty (they hate Joos and love Islamos, but that's another story). They went from being essentially a high 2nd-low 1st world economy to the richest nation, per capita, almost overnight because of all the delicious Brent North Sea Crude. I believe the North Sea is much deeper and experiences more severe weather than our coasts yet they are able to drill safely and effectively. The only thing holding us back are the Commie Luddites and the EPA.

13

Sorry, I just can't take Perry seriously.  He could release the most awesome economic plan known to man and I'd still remember him as the guy who:

A) Can't form sentences during debates

2) Called conservatives heartless

III) Sends his wife out to play the victim card

Perry reminds me of a Democrat in a lot of ways.  The whole victim thing.  The heartless thing.  The Gore campaign manager thing.  I really think that Perry is one of those creatures of the South who is, in his heart, a conservative Democrat, but who switched to Republican because conservative Democrats don't exist anymore.  As such, he still has the instincts of a Democrat.

And even if you think this entire post is nonsense, he still can't speak during the debates.  Obama would wipe the floor with him.

Romney 2012: Because there's no one else.

14 Face it Dave, His plan is dumb because it doesn't Line the pockets of the correct people.

15

Two drawbacks with Perry's plan:

1) It won't raise gas to $5 a gallon.
2) It won't bankrupt any coal companies or utilities.

Furthermore, he's from Texas (but you already mentioned that).

16 I will not vote for Obama-II

17 If you think life should not be any more challenging than Angry Birds. #YouMightBeAFleaBagger

18 In the sidebar at HuffPo: "Will Romney Kill the Tea Party?" First time I ever witnessed dyslexic projection.

19

Romney 2012: Because there's no one else.

Posted by: The Other Dave at October 15, 2011 04:02 PM (hnoTN)

Because Perry reminds you of a Democrat you want to vote for the guy...

Consulted by an Obama czar

Scaremongers on social security

Is not Pro-Second Amendment

Put government in charge of healthcare

Used the bullshit "For the children" argument to justify government run healthcare in the last debate.

 

But its Perry that reminds you of a Democrat.

20 Hey, don't be hatin' the commie luddites.  I'm thinking that small communial fires will be how we stay warm if we get a second term of the "Won"

21 In the sidebar at HuffPo: "Will Romney Kill the Tea Party?"

A better question would be "Will Romney kill the Republican party"?

22 If Barney Frank's boyfriend can oversee it, then it sounds like a plan.

23 just eww, those texan people with their oil and gas ideas.

24 3. PerryÂ’s plan is based on current technology, so it doesnÂ’t rely on future technological advancements;

Solar is about 40 years old. The breakthrough hasn't happened. It's not reliable enough to even be called 'alternative energy'. It's a lab exercise for EE students.

25 Mitt Romney is sort of like a liberal RINO. He's better than Obama, but, so is a festering boil on a dead rat's buttocks.

26

Perry reminds me of a Democrat in a lot of ways. The whole victim thing.

Everybody does that. They've been doing it for quite a while.

27 If the government can hire two people to write regulations for each person doing the work, then it sounds like a plan.

28 " Perry reminds me of a Democrat in a lot of ways.  The whole victim thing.  The heartless thing.  The Gore campaign manager thing. "

Why would you prefer Romney then?  Romney whined victim over the mormon bashing thing that Perry didn't even have anything to do with.

Perry had a great interview about his wife's comments, and he's not crying victim.  He simply notes that the family can take this stuff too personally.

The 'heartless' comment was stupid.  No defending Perry from that.  He said he was sorry, and that's about all he can do.

But Romney?  Romney splits the GOP.

29

3. PerryÂ’s plan is based on current technology, so it doesnÂ’t rely on future technological advancements magic wishful thinking.

that's moar bettah

30 well Ok Perry , but how many of those jobs will be for a poor overburdened union -GVT worker

31

I'm a Perry guy.

(I am the 1%, bitchez)

32

>> The Gore campaign manager thing. I really think that Perry is one of those creatures of the South who is, in his heart, a conservative Democrat, but who switched to Republican because conservative Democrats don't exist anymore. As such, he still has the instincts of a Democrat.

Oh ninja please.

Tiresome, tiresome shit.

33 Perry Job/Energy plan reads like it was taken from a Palin missive....and we know how crazy she is.

34 The party with the aid of the MFM nominated a candidate that 70% of the base hated last time.

I would say about 75% of the base hate Romney now based on polls here and at HA.

Nominating a liberal that 70%-75% of the base hates two elections in a row will kill the Republican party.

Perhaps that is the strategy of the MFM and the Dems.

35

But its Perry that reminds you of a Democrat.

Okay, let me rephrase that.

Perry reminds me of a Democrat.

Romney reminds me of an old line, liberal Northern Republican.

That's a pretty piss poor choice.

But that's the only choice.

I'll choose the one that can speak coherently, given that swing voters only remember there's an election when the presidential debates are broadcast in about 12 months from now.  Whoever we nominate has to be able to out-debate Obama.

Some would argue that this choice is piss poor enough that we should give O a second term and nominate someone good next time.  Sorry, but as bad as Romney would be, he'd definitely be better than Obama.

36
Here's the difference between Perry's and Obama's plans.

1. Perry's plan lacks "hope"
2. Obama's plan is all-inclusive, i.e., it screws everyone.

37

But its Perry that reminds you of a Democrat.

Posted by: buzzion at October 15, 2011 04:05 PM (GULKT)

No shit.

38 If Perry's more like a democrat than Romney, i guess 90% of folks on conservative blogs are democrats.

Romney initially had this meme where Perry is way too extreme to the right.  Now the meme is that Perry is just a RINO like Romney.

There's no sincerity in politics anymore.  Especially with the flip flopper.

Romney has had half a decade of running for president to come up with plans.  Perry has had a few weeks.  Is it even two months yet?  He's got some plans coming out with specifics, and they are great plans.  They are realistic, and show experience in government.  They aren't dead on arrival slogans like 9-9-9 (a tax increase on 48% of americans isn't a bad idea, but it's very unrealistic).

Perry's outlined his first 100 days in office.  These are things he can actually accomplish that will actually turn the economy around.

Perry's only real problem is that in the debates he comes across poorly.  In interviews he sounds smart.  I don't know what the hell the problem is, but it's a legit reason to bash him.

As a president, though, I think Perry would be the best of the ones running.

39 If there are 50% set-asides for LGBT roughnecks, with 35% Pigford-like grievance payouts, then it starts to sound like a plan.

40 conservative Democrats don't exist anymore

Hell, liberal Democrats don't exist anymore. They are a rainbow spectrum of socialism.

41 The difference between Perry's plan and Obama's plan

1. Perry's plan is about energy
2. Obama's plan is about graft and cronies

42 Romney reminds me of an old line, liberal Northern Republican.

Romney reminds me of an old line liberal NE Democrat.

43 If the honey you spoon up with tonight smells like a Hungarian Yak #youmightbeafleabagger

44
Obama should be thrown out on his ear for pushing this "green jobs" scam.

45 This plan sucks.  Obama's rules.

P.S. I'm not a liberal.

46 37

 

Posted by: The Other Dave at October 15, 2011 04:10 PM (hnoTN)

In other words.  You wanted to take a slam at Perry but don't want us criticizing your guy even though he is an even better fit for your chosen slam on Perry.

47 I am voting for Rick Perry because he is our best conservative candidate. He apologized for the heartless remark, which is more than romney did for romneycare and global warming.

48 22 In the sidebar at HuffPo: "Will Romney Kill the Tea Party?" A better question would be "Will Romney kill the Republican party"? Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2011 04:05 PM (M9Ie6) He already has. I think (read: I pray), he and the rest of the establishment get the shock of their miserable lives when Romney is overwhelmingly rejected during the primaries.

49

Yes, because we've heard dozens of Democrats tell us to push domestic oil and gas production.

 

Seriously, there's "pulling for my guy" and there's "I shall ignore things that make sense that all conservatives should favor except 'my guy' didn't think of em first"

50
Obama's plan envisions windmill technicians and solar panel installers.

And tiny cars filled with clowns speeding to the voting booth to vote for him.

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

51 46 If the honey you spoon up with tonight smells like a Hungarian Yak #youmightbeafleabagger Posted by: cherry pi, terrorist hostage taking SOB at October 15, 2011 04:14 PM (OhYCU) To you, I say "buz meg."

52 "Perry reminds me of a Democrat."

12 years of balanced budgets.  Respect for the second amendment.  Loud opposition to Obamacare when it's being debated, at TEA rallies, suggesting it's so unconstitutional that it will destabilize the union.  Rated Excellent on Securing the Border.  When Texas is headed for a deficit (due largely to a hurricane with major damage) unless taxes go up or spending goes down, Perry cuts spending all across the board and manages to keep service levels good.  Even education gets cut, a sacred cow leading to fury from the NEA.

"Romney reminds me of an old line, liberal Northern Republican."

Decades of support for Abortion rights.  Quote "I do not line up with the NRA" and loud support for "strong gun control".  MIA when Obamacare is being debated, and his Romneycare advisers actually helped architect it.  Increases the gun tax dramatically.  Bans other guns.  Increases spending.   With a tax level 50% higher than Texas's, Romney increases taxes.

Sure, I actually think you're right that this is basically a liberal northern Republican.

But Perry doesn't remind me of a democrat.  in the 1980s, many Texans were democrats, but they were very conservative.  Perry has never been liberal.

53
heheh, oh dear, this is a crazy thread

o'l Magoo, heheh, you've done it again, heheh

54 1

Hey, California Republicans... want a WINNING issue?Tell Californians you have a choice... a Bankrupt State where we are firing teachers and cops.... or drilling off the F'n Coast....Those of us who do NOT live on the beach, wayyyy outnumber those who do....But Repubs here are afraid...

Posted by: Romeo13
///
Uhhhhh, no.  There are so few Republicans in the CA Legislature and the powers that be are all Dems from the coast, so, yeah, no, Bachmann has a better chance of winning the presidency.

55
In Obama's Future World everyone is a lawyer and a doctor and a community organizer and a teacher.

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

56 "Seriously, there's "pulling for my guy" and there's "I shall ignore things that make sense that all conservatives should favor except 'my guy' didn't think of em first"

Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 15, 2011 04:15 PM (PjVdx)"

It's getting old.

I don't think it can work in a Tea Party environment where RINOs get booed.  Even Perry will be challenged to get the GOP unified.  Romney has absolutely no chance.

Both of them should beat Obama, given his 40% ratings in swing states, but the only way Obama wins is if the GOP fractures like it did in 1992, which I think it actually a serious possibility.

57 He already has. I think (read: I pray), he and the rest of the establishment get the shock of their miserable lives when Romney is overwhelmingly rejected during the primaries.

I am starting to smell another McCain on that. The other 5%'ers will hang around until the bitter end splitting the vote so that Romney can win the primaries with a plurality of 30%.

The a significant percentage of the base stays at home in key States that are already close. Result, not only another Obama term, but we don't take the Senate either and the Republican Party collapses and goes the way of the Whigs.

That results in 50 years of Democrat dominance again, except that we will have become a communist dictatorship long before the 50 years are up.

So Romney will result in the collapse of the U.S. into a 50s era Soviet Union.

58 Perry's plan looks pretty good and should stop the downward free fall in his ratings.  But it isn't enough to get his rating moving back up again because a) more drilling, blocking epa regs, etc doesn't really distinguish him that much from the other GOP candidates (drill drill drill has been a slogan for at least 2 yrs), b) a drill energy policy from the TX governor is not a shocker, and c) until he improves his debate performances he won't dispel the notion that he isn't ready

59

<<Perry Job/Energy plan reads like it was taken from a Palin missive....and we know how crazy she is.>>

Oh, here we go.

60

Hey remember criticizing Perry for taking so long since he announced his run to come out with a Plan?

Mitt Romney announces Presidential Run: June 2

Rick Perry announces Presidential Run: August 13

Mitt Romney announces 59 Point Plan: September 6

Rick Perry announces Plan: October 14

Who is it that's taking so long again?

61

I bet he knows jack about ice cream too.

Obama knows a lot about ice cream, that's why he is such an effective President!

62 O is for Occupy

63
In Obama's World losing billions of dollars each quarter means you're a successful enterprise, e.g., General Motors.

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

64

<<until he improves his debate performances he won't dispel the notion that he isn't ready>>

Texas usually wins the national beauty contests because they can afford the best training, gowns, swimsuits, etc.  Why can't they do the same for a Presidential candidate.

65 CNN hates the energy that supplies their tv stations and trucks.  Its like their electracists or something.

66
Everyone is a czar in Obama's Futuristic World.

We're Watching You

wheeeeeeeeeeeeee!

67 36 The party with the aid of the MFM nominated a candidate that 70% of the base hated last time. I would say about 75% of the base hate Romney now based on polls here and at HA. Nominating a liberal that 70%-75% of the base hates two elections in a row will kill the Republican party. Perhaps that is the strategy of the MFM and the Dems. Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2011 04:10 PM (M9Ie6) This. This hits the selection problem directly on the head. I do not want Georgette "Get me a helmet from a dead Iraqi" Mosbacher telling me who I should vote for. Neither do I want ANY of the news programs telling me who to vote for. I have enough sense to figure who is going to be the best for me and my country. So screw them.

68 "So Romney will result in the collapse of the U.S. into a 50s era Soviet Union.

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2011 04:19 PM (M9Ie6)"

As a proud Perry supporter, I will vote Cain before I let Romney be the nominee.

My real hang up with Cain is that he's practically endorsed Romney, and I think he just wants to be Romney's VP.  That's smart politics for a guy with zero elected office experience, but it's also a bit disturbing in such serious times, when we need a conservative government to get us off the track we're on today.

I think Perry's recent few interviews were extremely strong, and his policy agenda is out now and it's the strongest of the three top guys because it's effective and realistic instead of ineffective like Romney's or unrealistic like Cain's.  I hope to hell conservatives keep their mind open on Perry, because most of us would prefer him to Romney despite him not being perfect.

69 50 I am voting for Rick Perry because he is our best conservative candidate. He apologized for the heartless remark, which is more than romney did for romneycare and global warming.

Concurred.

Perry's not perfect, but I think he's better for the job than Romney.  Does this mean that if Romney is our nominee that I won't vote for him?  No, I'll still campaign for him, help his campaign as much as I can, and ultimately vote for him. 

Mark Steyn's "After America" is a depressing yarn - I read through about half of it.  While much of its content won't be a surprise to many here, I love how Mark's analogies and word play.  I never thought the tale about the last Babylonian King (Belshazzer) and "mene, mene, tekel, upharsin" would ever make it into such a book. 

70 Turn off Faux and turn on Fox Business. Faux has gone mostly Libtard with a couple of exceptions (Greta and Sannity if you can stand to listen to him)

I wish. Problem is have to upgrade to "highest tier" to get FBN. What I really want to do is downgrade to the minimum. I am already paying too much for satellite.

71 buzz, I'm stealing your timeline on the candidates issuing a plan.

72 heh. Electracists.  That may be my best comment ever, if I do say so myself and I do.

I can retire from this high paying commenting gig now.

73 Why can't they do the same for a Presidential candidate.

That's what I've been wondering, katya.  There has to be someone they could hire to come in and blitz the guy into shape for these debates.  It's a head-scratcher.

74

>> doesn't really distinguish him that much from the other GOP candidates

Please provide quotes for Romney, Cain, Paul, Bachmann, Huntsman, et. al.

 

I'm intrigued.  They have proposed the same thing?

 

Show me this.

75 74, Greta is not a conservative

76

Go ahead.  I just looked it up today because this week I was wondering about the time between Romney's "announcement" and when that 59 point plan showed up.  It actually surprised me that it was that long between his announcement and that.

Especially when you consider that his announcement was a joke since everyone knew he was going to be running years ago.

77 I never thought the tale about the last Babylonian King (Belshazzer) and "mene, mene, tekel, upharsin" would ever make it into such a book. Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 15, 2011 04:23 PM (KBdSF) I should introduce you to the NOZE brothers at Baylor. This is one of their slogans.

78 Mitt Romney announces Presidential Run: June 2, 1999.

FIFY

79   #12  (they hate Joos and love Islamos, but that's another story).

I'm guessing that's since Jews already assimilated culturally doing better economically, much to the Norwegian's chagrin; whereas Muslims don't welcome cultural assimilation -- they really do not want to be counted as if just like Norwegians?

80

#30 - it takes 2 to create a split.  You could easily turn it around and say Perry is causing the split.

#36 - AOS, HA are self-selecting conservative sites that appear to be fully anti-Romney.  If you would move out of your Paulina Kael world the opposition to Romney is much less than you claim.

#60  - over the top much?  we get that you don't like Romney but these claims that the entire South will stay home and that the GOP will lose the House and not take the Senate have no basis in fact, they are merely you're anti-Romney projections.  Let's say Perry gets the nominations and puts out 3 debate performances like his current ones and gets painted by O as the dumber, more bible toting, more crony capitalist version of W and then loses to O - what are you going to say then? 

81
General Motors, Solyndra, food stamps, Guns-for-gangs program in Mexico, Golf, Lying, Regulations, ...

This is who we lost to in 2008.

82 Oh, please. What would a governor from Texas know about the energy industry. Bunch of dumb, teabagging rednecks.

83 #30 - it takes 2 to create a split.  You could easily turn it around and say Perry is causing the split.

You have a problem counting. And news polls are shit to begin with, especially that NBC poll that counted 81 primary voters.

84 <<he and the rest of the establishment get the shock of their miserable lives when Romney is overwhelmingly rejected during the primaries.>>

I fear he won't because I don't think voter fraud is exclusive to the dems/libs.

85 And yes, all your shit is nothing more than anti-perry goo.

86 Environmentalism should be outlawed. If found guilty of Environmentalism...instant capital punishment.

87 And as we all know, anyone with a southern twang is an ignorant, provincial dimwit. Unlike those of us in the teevee industry, who are socially, culturally, and educationally brilliant.

88
The Left is gearing up to push to close all nuclear power plants in the U.S.

Obama, if reelected, will do this by executive order or simply regulate them out of business. Believe it.

89 If you would move out of your Paulina Kael world the opposition to Romney is much less than you claim.

True . . . I had an encounter with someone the other day who identified as a "liberal Democrat" and said he liked Romney.  Not too surprising.  I've got another one who's all worked up about Cain, though.  We're in uncharted waters here.

90 This is who we lost to in 2008.

Posted by: soothsayer at October 15, 2011 04:30 PM (sqkOB)

My friend, I had complete faith in the man too.

91
Libya, Egypt, and now Uganda...

Obama is a menace and a buffoon

92 Obama, if reelected, will do this by executive order or simply regulate them out of business. Believe it.

Believe it, hell, he has already started it. He says he supports Nuclear Power at the same time he nominated a man from the most rabid anti-nuke congressman on the hill's office to head the NRC.

Ed Markey's henchman now heads the NRC, think about it.

93 Don't believe that we, in the teevee industry, are all intellectual giants? Well, just turn on the old teevee and see what brilliant entertainment, news analysis, and generally uplifting to humanity material we always come up with.

94

>> what are you going to say then?

Fuck Romney he's no conservative.

That's what I'll say.

 

Even if he's the eventual nominee, when I vote for him in the general.

95 The AoSHQ Moron Golf and Shoot?

96
yep, Obama lies, often in the same breath

97 Wind and solar won't produce immediate energy, and we'll be paying for it multiple times with subsidies.

But the real economic benefit to Perry's plan would be flooding the market with cheaper domestic oil and getting energy costs down for everybody.  Oil industry jobs are only a small part of it--it's the ripples that will drive an economic boom.

98

Even if he's the eventual nominee, when I vote for him in the general.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 15, 2011 04:34 PM (PjVdx)

While holding my nose.

99 "87 General Motors, Solyndra, food stamps, Guns-for-gangs program in Mexico, Golf, Lying, Regulations, ... This is who we lost to in 2008. Posted by: soothsayer" Um, sorry, soothsayer, those issues don't exist unless we deem to report on them. Cause we are the gatekeepers to all that is relevant.

100 Just remember all you Romneybots, a vote for Romney is a vote to destroy America and and convert to a communist dictatorship.

If you don't like Perry, find someone else.

101
Obama is out there praising himself for GM's success.

GM is a money pit. If this is his idea of success, we're boned.

102
Obama is out there praising himself for GM's success.

Those 700 Volts didn't sell themselves, you know.

103 Vote record, not rhetoric

104
GM is as financially sound and profitable as the US Postal Service.

105

Even if he's the eventual nominee, when I vote for him in the general.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 15, 2011 04:34 PM (PjVdx)

While holding my nose.

///////////////////////////////

And a puke bucket.

106 btw, there is a part of the Belshazzer's story that Mark left out that might have helped with his "the Fall might come quicker than you think"  and even the "society has become too decadent" parts of his commentary.

The capitol Babylon was an impressive sight for its time.  Surrounded on all four sides by massive, thick walls and supplied with continuous water from the Euphrates river (the entry points of the Euphrates into Babylon were blocked with criss-crossed bronze bars),  Babylon was very person's version of a fortress.   The troops of Medes/Persian confederation had started to assemble outside Babylon a while before Belshazzer's infamous feast (see a parallel to modern times?).

However, while Belshazzer and the Babylonian upper crust were partying away, the Medes and Persians had figured out a way to temporarily divert the Euphrates away from the city, which allowed small teams to breach these bronze bars and get inside the capital.  Once inside, these teams overpowered the guards and the teams opened up the gates from the inside, allowing the bulk of the Medes/Persian army to enter the capital.  Once the army was in, the weakened Babylonians put up little resistance and Belshazzer was slain. Almost overnight Babylon changed hands to be ruled by King Cyrus of Persia. 

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but that's my recollection of the Fall of Babylon.  I really hope that's not how we go.

107 Environmentalism should be outlawed. If found guilty of Environmentalism...instant capital punishment.

I prefer to sentence them to a lifetime of living outdoors.

108

Perry's plan looks pretty good and should stop the downward free fall in his ratings.  But it isn't enough to get his rating moving back up again because a) more drilling, blocking epa regs, etc doesn't really distinguish him that much from the other GOP candidates (drill drill drill has been a slogan for at least 2 yrs), b) a drill energy policy from the TX governor is not a shocker, and c) until he improves his debate performances he won't dispel the notion that he isn't ready

This argument that other GOP candidates would do the same doesn't hold water: (1) Why didn't other candidates propose this plan?, (2) Romney is a true believer in man-caused global warming. That 's why he didn't propose this in the first place.

I am dead set against Romney in the primary because of the following reasons again:

(1) Romneycare (basically is Obamacare) according to Romney 's advisor

(2) The court

(3) Global warming crap

(4) Immigration is a wash between Romney and Perry.

Using the logic of the  Perry supporters against Palin, Romney is damaged good already. He is from Wall Street and Obama is gearing up the attack already. According to their logic, Romney is damaged and we should worry about the all the attack against Romney (just as we should wrt Palin). We shouldn't nominate Palin, so we shouldn't nomintate Romney now!

Another issue is the attack that Palin was stringing people along while taking potshots at the candidates. Using that standard, Christie (a big Romney supporter) is pathetic and far worse. He emphatically said no, then told big donors to hold their support until he made up his mind. Then he went to Reagan library to take pot shot at the Republicans for not compromising. His "establishment" supporter like Mona CHaren at NRO even praised him for his honesy. This is pathetic from Romney supporters. His inner circle is too comfortable with leftists demagoguery.

 

In 2008, the left went for a maximalist in Obama, who had zero experience for the presidency. What he had was dazzle/sleekness to fool the electorate. And that 's the selling point of Romney now! He is dazzling. I respect his preparation and sleek campaign. Unfortunately, he is using that preparation to distract people from the fact that he is not a conservative.

The fundamental problem is this. The dem establishment is socialist or radical communists. That is why they went all in for Obama over Hillary. He didn't expect to win in 2008. But they went with him and helped him build an organization. On the other hand, the Rep establishment is liberal or moderate (with the possible exception on fiscal issues). So they always tried to shoot down conservatives. And they always go for the minimalist wrt conservatism. CONSERVATISM is the solution. Bush 1, Dole, McCain, and even Bush 2 have been bad for conservative. The establishment is entrenched and has more experience than the conservative upstarts. So they will try to use ELECTABILITY as their main justification to sell their candidates. In the mean time, they don't mind aiding the leftist media to take down conservative candidates.

These are the reasons why I am done with Romney and the Rep establishment. They are more a problem than a solution. They could have asked people like McDonnel (gov of VA), Rubio, or Jindal to run. But they would go for the moderate like Christie. They had the brain-dead debate arrangement for a reason, but not good towards conservative candidates. I would go for maximalist candidates this time, PERRY/CAIN.

 

 

 

 

 

 

109 I haven't got time to read all the comments. So, I assume that someone has pointed out that everybody here called Perry's "plan" bullshit when it was Gov. Palin's POLICY.

110 I'm going to vote for the Gap Guy because he's slick in 90-second soundbites. No wait, that would make me an Obama-voter.

"Americans already have a Debater-in-Chief"

(vid 1)

111 Those 700 Volts didn't sell themselves, you know.

Posted by: nickless at October 15, 2011 04:38 PM (MMC8r)

There's one sitting outside the local dealership that has a pretty cool paint job. The grass is dying from the shade it continually provides.

112
can someone tell me why the stupid Republicans in the Senate didn't vote present on the vote for cloture for Obama's stupid Pass This Bill bill?

113 Romney is the best choice for the Republicans. There is no one else.

114 By the same logic, we should just shitcan solar and windmills and invest all our time and resources in dilithium crystals for matter-antimatter propulsion and matter teleportation.

That's the future.

Don't invest in this primitive earth technology.
It's not logical.

115

I haven't got time to read all the comments. So, I assume that someone has pointed out that everybody here called Perry's "plan" bullshit when it was Gov. Palin's POLICY.
--------

I was a Palin supporter before. It is time to support Perry now. He is the only one left with a great record. No matter how you spin it, if you can do better than Texas economy, then we can talk about it.

 

116
Those 700 Volts didn't sell themselves, you know.

I dunno, I think they did.

I'm not sure, but didn't the govt buy some of them?

117

Perry reminds me of a Democrat in a lot of ways. The whole victim thing.

Helllllooo? Repudiate the minister who introduced you to speak to his group on account of comments made later during an interview? Poor widdle mormon getting beat up on cuz of his minority religious views?

Fucking Romney fans man.

118

Mediscaring? Really?

But Perry reminds you of a democrat.

119 "Obama is out there praising himself for GM's success." Meanwhile the UAW is out there with occupyDetroit because the GM labor is all for anything that gets people free, unearned shit. I guarantee that a good share of the people working for GM have not yet faced reality about global competition. I've been watching this shit since the early seventies. Nothing has changed with GM's people. Oh, and those Volts are just flying out of the showroom.

120
In other words, didn't the govt buy cars from itself?

And then brag about how sales went up.

121 115 I haven't got time to read all the comments. So, I assume that someone has pointed out that everybody here called Perry's "plan" bullshit when it was Gov. Palin's POLICY.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at October 15, 2011 04:42 PM (NLQse)

Prove it shit for brains.

122 More taxes, less bite with Obama Lite, vote Romney he's our man. if he can't kill us nobody can.

123
Say, has Obama blamed Colonel Mustard yet?

That always worked for me.

124

I haven't got time to read all the comments. So, I assume that someone has pointed out that everybody here called Perry's "plan" bullshit when it was Gov. Palin's POLICY.

No they didn't.

Half of everyone here is a butthurt Palinista so seriously, cop to the blatant and gross hyperbole.

125 Posted by: The Other Dave at October 15, 2011 04:10 PM (hnoTN)

Then again, were Perry to win the GOP ticket, he could take Vic's advice and NOT debate Obama.

Do his own stumping and speech delivery, and share the podium with his cadre and VP. Do the Bandwagon Party gig. Whoever Perry plans to appoint as Sec./State and UN Ambassador should be featured on the campaign trail.

WE'VE ALL HEARD MORE FROM OBAMA THAN EVER WANTED.

Obama has exhausted his welcome in Republican voters' homes. It was Nada Obama '08. Now it's NO MAS OBAMA. It isn't as if not sharing the stage with Obama will get him to stfu, either. But at least Perry won't be torturing voters having to listen to Obama's voice AGAIN and AGAIN. And perhaps the only way to divert the "racist" taunt would to feature Perry's Hispanic, Asian and Black cadre at the big fundraising enthusiastic Republican campaign events.

(?)

126 Perry 2012... nuff said.  He needs to work on the edges, but most people KNOW he is a conservative..   Romney is the mainstream establishment candidate and we're screwed with McLame-type bipartisanship reacharounds for the foreseeable future if he is elected.... because he's fair.. you know..

127
if UE drops to 8.9%, Obama will have a ticker-tape parade for himself

128 Uhhhhh, no.  There are so few Republicans in the CA Legislature and the powers that be are all Dems from the coast, so, yeah, no, Bachmann has a better chance of winning the presidency.

Posted by: SFGoth at October 15, 2011 04:18 PM (dZ756)

We are a dying breed.

Also many of us have just upped and moved to other states.

California becoming less R and Texas becoming more R. Gee, where did all the Rs go?

129 Then again, were Perry to win the GOP ticket, he could take Vic's advice and NOT debate Obama.

I have NEVER said he should not debate Obama. I said these debates that are going on now are shit. But, I haven't said that he should drop out of them either.

130

 So, I assume that someone has pointed out that everybody here called Perry's "plan" bullshit when it was Gov. Palin's POLICY.

 

Was she a candidate for the office of President?

No, wait.  She was a Governor, then she quit.

131 134 California becoming less R and Texas becoming more R. Gee, where did all the Rs go?

R's are just D's with legs.
You just have to wait and see if they walk to the right or to the left.

132 Phase 2 of Perry's plan involves using cheap, retard labor to build nuclear plants that would power racist hunting lodges across Texas.

133

a) more drilling, blocking epa regs, etc doesn't really distinguish him that much from the other GOP candidates (drill drill drill has been a slogan for at least 2 yrs

Mitt Romney believes in Global Warming. Perry wants to gut the EPA and does not.

You have to be retarded to believe there's no difference between them on this issue.

134 I don't recall ANYONE here ever calling Palin's policies and plans shit. Even the most rabid Palin haters didn't disagree with her policies (well some of the squishes like Ch-Town maybe). What the Palin haters disagreed with was her ability to get elected.

135 everybody here called Perry's "plan" bullshit when it was Gov. Palin's

I knew it sounded familiar. I thought this is what Perry's been saying here from Texas. Palin didn't invent the plan, nor own monopoly rights on it. Did Reagan's administration work from this plan's basis?

Basically, repeal EPA to it's "original intent" or just scrap it.

136 If UE drops to 8.9%, Obama will have a ticker-tape parade for himself

And just how is this going to happen?

To keep up with the population growth, we have to add 150,000 jobs per month. We did that barely in the last five months.

137

Romney endorses ethanol subsidies.

Perry wants to remove all subsidies and tax credits from the entire energy sector, while simultaneously removing all the regulatory roadblocks and opening vast new areas to exploration.

138

No, wait.  She was a Governor, then she quit.

The left wouldn't go for this line of attack against Obama or any other socialist candidates of theirs. This is pathetic from our side. It could have been easily turned against the left, but we would rather eat our own. Now time to support Perry. At least he embraced one of Palin 's big initiatives. It is good enough for me. This is a great plan. We should run with it and let the left defend their Solyndra craps.

 

139 The smarter libs and the establishment want Romney. They see him as being another Clinton I suppose and expect that he will follow what the polls say the country wants. Since they have so much of the media they expect they can twist polls. IMO the only way the country stops surging for the cliff under Romney is if we get majorities in both Senate and House and a 1993 Newt (or two) at top leadership posts in congress that can talk around the media traps and explain to the public why they should want freedom and job growth.

140

115 I haven't got time to read all the comments. So, I assume that someone has pointed out that everybody here called Perry's "plan" bullshit when it was Gov. Palin's POLICY.

Thing is.....Perry has been saying this longer....before Palin was ever a governor.

141

Romney is a true believer in man-caused global warming. I am afraid that he will take a minimalist wrt EPA.

 

142 I have to shake my head when the Romney fan-boys hyperventilate about Obama "wiping the floor" with Perry in the debates.  Really?  And with what pray tell?  His record of success?  The economy?  The employment rate?  He can't promise skittles and unicorn farts this time.  Has to run on his scoamfy record.  He wasn't all that in the debates against McCain and none of them were decisive to the election.  They aren't likely to be this time. 

143 re 146. When I say smarter libs want Romney I mean they understand Barry is killing the golden goose and they want Romney in the general too.

144

IMO the only way the country stops surging for the cliff under Romney is if we get majorities in both Senate and House and a 1993 Newt (or two) at top leadership posts in congress that can talk around the media traps and explain to the public why they should want freedom and job growth.

2008 was a bad env for the Republicans and the dems went for a maximalist socialist with zero experience. 2012 is a bad env for the Dems, and the Rep is going for a minimalist moderate  who would need a lot of pressure to do the right thing? This is sad and pathetic.

145
138

lol!!

146 This John Holdren story is too, too much. We've been railing on this guy for the past three years and now we hear that Romney is linked to him? Jesus.  I guess it ties in nicely to his "pro-life" views.

He needs to explain this. This guy is a freak. To call Romney a RINO after reading about this is an insult to those Maine twits.

147 speaking of California, don't they have significant oil there even without offshore drilling?  There are all sorts of oil fields in the central valley and stuff. Are they tapped out? Posted by: jeanne!

Though much of the easily recovered oil has been tapped, CA is 4th or 5th biggest state in oil production. However, I've been told much of the product is low grade, high salt content oil.

148

This is pathetic from our side.

 

No.  Pathetic is ignoring the facts. 

Sarah is a personality, not a candidate. 

149 RECIPE for 2012
     1    -Resolve to forego internecine squabbles.
     2    -Diligently research candidates.  (POTUS to dogcatcher)
     3    -Become involved in local party activities.
     4    -Vote your preference in the primary.
     5    -Invest heavily in brass, copper and lead.  (Potentially valuable from election night through ?)
     6    -For the first time, I'm advocating voting straight Republican ticket on election day.  Again, POTUS to dogcatcher.  Sheer numbers should result in a hopefully useful cadre of conservatives.
     7    -Immediately upon inauguration/installation to office, begin daily campaign of reminders to each elected offical of who they work for and what we expect of them.

150

it takes 2 to create a split.  You could easily turn it around and say Perry is causing the split.

But then you'd also have to say it was Cain causing it, Gingrich causing it, and Bachmann causing it.

It's pretty much Romney dude.

Anyone but Romney. If Perry is unacceptable to too many people, then the hell with him. But Romney is a non-starter.

Who are the Libertarians running next year anyway...

151 LTC Graham

Obama's the incumbent and the press will eat Perry alive for calling Obama's bluffs the lies that they are. McCain will bluster, "Apologize!" and the Republicans will start infighting over what Perry should have said, yada yada...Perry might simply choke.

I don't want to hear Obama, period. Been there too many times doing that. There's nothing "new" Obama can hatch that isn't absolutely revolting. For that reason, I'd rather hear from the "new" guy about what's up his sleeve.

152 151: I agree but the establishment GOP want to maintain the status quo and if they are in charge of it they have no problem with oversized government.

153

156.....daily campaign of reminders to each elected offical of who they work for and what we expect of them.

You should send me instead.

154 10 speaking of California, don't they have significant oil there even without offshore drilling? Increasing offshore drilling will hurt the economy and increase unemployment because it will discourage investment in green jobs.

155    #137   R's are just D's with legs.
You just have to wait and see if they walk to the right or to the left.
--
I've read here there's no such thing as an Independent. Tell that to Michael Savage.

156 discourage investment in NONEXISTING green jobs.

157 So when the Sarah fans get done letting everyone else know this was her idea first, they'll all line up behind Perry, since he's a candidate and she's not... Right??

158 115 I haven't got time to read all the comments. So, I assume that someone has pointed out that everybody here called Perry's "plan" bullshit when it was Gov. Palin's POLICY.

Posted by: Queequeg the Harpooner at October 15, 2011 04:42 PM (NLQse)

What bizarre bullshit. Where did you hear that, through your fillings? We were all chanting "drill baby drill" with her in 2008.

She's not running though, and Perry is.

159 153 This John Holdren story is too, too much. We've been railing on this guy for the past three years and now we hear that Romney is linked to him?

?

160

Investment in new technology is smart. Oil company profits ride the technology wagon every damn day. Bad mouthing new technology investments, in solar and oil and every other thing that one can convince the venture boys to back, is just plain counter-productive and a sure path to getting our asses handed to us by countries that do invest in new tech. So, on point #3 of the perry plan, I'd have to say Oh Yes It Does Too if you scrape away the grit and take a gander at any hunk of gear on the rig or back at the lab, and good! Hate the messenger, not the F*ing message! Smart companies, and countries, invest heavily in future technologies while leveraging the present set of capabilities that they possess.

161 Exactly how does this help the LGBT community?

162 Next time Romney goes after Perry with statements like "we did it for the children" or defending SS, Perry just needs to respond "There you go sounding like a democrat again." Do it again, again, and again. Do it until Romney has nothing else to say.

163 when it was Gov. Palin's POLICY.

Guess what, it's Gov. Perry's POLICY too. We drill everywhere, including offshore.

164 @didn't take long - very likely.  Perry could just refuse to debate unless he gets a choice of moderator and format.  The press will eat anyone alive (or try to) for challenging Obama.  But I just don't see it having that big of an affect.  Obama is a SCOAMF's SCOAMF.  As long as Perry is just OK in any debates he will do fine.  I especially relish the thought of JEF having to stand on stage with another Texan and realize that he was just an aberration between the two. 

165

I agree but the establishment GOP want to maintain the status quo and if they are in charge of it they have no problem with over-sized government.

John Boehner and Mitch McConnell will be in charge of the house and senate again, if they get majorities.

Congress will not push for reform, they will push to maintain the status quo. We need a president who will push them.

166 Hate the messenger, not the F*ing message! Smart companies, and countries, invest heavily in future technologies while leveraging the present set of capabilities that they possess.

Posted by: Errol at October 15, 2011 05:09 PM (vewos)

We already did invest heavily in solar, we invented it. The chinese sent us a thank you note.

167 For those of you who haven't heard it yet, listen to the Rush link in the sidebar. He addresses the fact that he's getting criticism for not yet endorsing a candidate. He then goes on to talk about several candidates, starting out saying when he gets around to it he'll endorse a conservative. Then he says Romney isn't a conservative. He goes on to talk about a number of the other candidates, leaving you with the impression he can't or won't endorse any of them either. Interestingly, I don't recall him mentioning Perry's name at all. Clear enough? It is to me.

168 170  Chemicals for surgery, lubricants of all sorts, fabric softeners and hair products?

169 rdbrewer posted headline comment multi-mouth Mitt cartoon, LOL, "Stop me when you've heard something you like."

Yes, Limbaugh knows the pulse of his VOTING audience. And we're not buying into Mitt's potus fantasy just because the bipartisan Leadership establishment elitists confine the "choice" to "electable" Mitt.

Yes, Mitt's the only candidate the anti-conservative Rockefeller-Republicans will elect, if that's "electable".

170

173, I bet that you will see more passion when Perry goes against Obama. In the primary so far, Perry seems to go after Romney more and not much other candidates.

171 It is not that "independents" do not exist. What is true is that the "independents" that flip-flop back and forth between the parties do not exist to the extent the MFM advertises them.

Technically anyone who is not registered with either party is an "independent". In States like mine that have open primaries most people are not registered with either party. Nationwide so-called experts put the number at roughly 30% split between R-D-I.

All that being said just about everyone votes for one party or the other consistently. It is only in wave elections like RR (rare) where some switch over.

What most people really mean when they talk about attracting the flip-floppers that they call independents is really the "undecided". Now these are the truly clueless dumb shits who shouldn't be allowed to vote to begin with because they are too stupid to exist. But luckily there really are not very many of these.

What really decides elections is energizing the people that normally vote for your party and getting them to the polls vote.

172 Interestingly, I don't recall him mentioning Perry's name at all. Clear enough? It is to me. Posted by: BurtTC He actually did name Perry in what I heard.

173  #173 Graham

who's JEF?

174 Bad mouthing new technology investments, in solar and oil and every other thing that one can convince the venture boys to back, is just plain counter-productive and a sure path to getting our asses handed to us by countries that do invest in new tech.

Nothing wrong with new technology investments, but the US taxpayer shouldn't be on the hook for massive epic fails like Solydra and the countless other "alternative energy" start-ups that didn't work.

BTW, I assume you mean by "countries that do invest in new tech", I think you mean "China".  Let their state-run financing system invest in crappy panels that disintegrate daily.  Except we're probably paying for that a bit too with our debt, but that might still be going into the People's Liberation Army funds. 

175 183 -- Jug Eared Fuck.

176

Perry is still my choice now. I am glad he came out with this energy plan. If Cain continues to hold up well, I would rather have him as VP instead of an "establishment" candidate. Let 's go for our maximalists in this env. People intuitively understand Texas economy. For all the noise about how bad or average Texas is, most people are still moving to Texas to find a decent job.

 

177 Vic, Now these are the truly clueless dumb shits who shouldn't be allowed to vote to begin with because they are too stupid to exist. But luckily there really are not very many of these.

I wish. Too many truly clueless dumb shits too stupid to exist voted for Obama/Biden '08 rather than McCain/Palin.

178 Texas.  Land of cotton, cattle, oil, and U.S. Presidents.

179 #182 Did he? Perhaps so, but in addition to Romney, I heard him specifically name Cain and Bachmann in a manner that would suggest he won't be endorsing either of them. Bottom line from what I heard is, Perry is the ONLY candidate he will be able to endorse, when the time comes.

180 We have decided that we do not like this plan of his. Rick Perry is evil. Death to Rick Perry. 

181 who's JEF? Posted by: didn't take long It took me awhile to figure that one out.

182 Too many truly clueless dumb shits too stupid to exist voted for Obama/Biden '08 rather than McCain/Palin.

If you go to the States that switched from red to blue and look at the vote totals you will find that the Obama votes did not go up that much from the previous election. What happened was the McCain votes dropped drastically from the Bush totals.

The Obama votes going up were most likely due to a huge turnout by black voters compared to the past, particularly in States like NC that have a significant black population.

183

Sarah said "drill drill drill baby"

That was so fuckin cute.

Perry said "here's how we create 1.2 million jobs"

A plan, for every bitchface who cried "where's his plan?"

Well here it is.  Denounce the plan, conservatives.  Tell us why it's such a baaaad plan.

184 LAI

Actually, Cain would represent the establishment, odd though that may seem. His 9-9-9 would fund the establishment without adding to debt, spreading the pain/tax base.

If Cain continues to hold up well, I would rather have him as VP instead of an "establishment" candidate.

Were Cain to become VP, the POTUS would need to sign onto 999 and Cain would see himself functioning as CEO of Congress. Hm.

185 (ok she said "drill baby drill")

186

Well here it is.  Denounce the plan, conservatives.  Tell us why it's such a baaaad plan.

And again, let 's stop this non-sense that all Rep candidates would do this. Romney is a true-believer in man-caused global warming.

 

187

 

  This year above all else it is necessary to vote straight ticket regardless of who the nominee is. We must have an unassailable majority in the House and Senate, irregardless of the eventual contender.

  If we do win the Presidency, a strong conservative base will keep Romney bound to conservatism. In Perry's case, it will strengthen his ability to implement his agenda.

  Failure to achieve that will wind up an exercise in futility.

188 Perry is the ONLY candidate he will be able to endorse, when the time comes. Posted by: BurtTC I may have misunderstood what your wrote. I get the impression he would like to endorse Perry but has left the door open for other conservatives. I think Perry needs to give him a reason why. This economic plan maybe a start.

189

A plan, for every bitchface who cried "where's his plan?"

Well here it is.  Denounce the plan, conservatives.  Tell us why it's such a baaaad plan.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 15, 2011 05:24 PM (PjVdx)

I got here late, we're against drilling for oil now? Cool, I guess we're for Big Corn then. WTF

190 Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 15, 2011 05:24 PM

I haven't heard conservatives demand a halt to drilling and refining oil.

However, I have read how NAFTA is bad for American small business and entrepreneurs, and bad for border security given open freeways for trucking without inspections, etc. And Perry is gung-ho pro-NAFTA.

191

Well here it is.  Denounce the plan, conservatives.  Tell us why it's such a baaaad plan.

For starters, it doesn't have a catchy label.

Now 9-9-9 is something I can subscribe to. Sure, Cain is talking about taxes, but they're single digit tax rates. He could call it the 9-9-9-9-9-9-9 plan and it's still something that I, as a conservative, could support.

The main reason Perry's plan won't work, however, is that he won't be elected president. The Florida Straw Poll already determined that.

192

Were Cain to become VP, the POTUS would need to sign onto 999 and Cain would see himself functioning as CEO of Congress. Hm.

If he is an establishment candidate, I will have to eat my crow. No problem if Perry is the president. That 's why I though it was dumb for Cain to say that he couldn't work with Perry. Anyway, if he is the VP, he will have to sign on with the boss and not vice versa. BTW, his 999 plan is a reasonable starting point. You have Club for growth and Lafler vouch for it. Ryan was at least warming to it also. That 's why I don't understand the vicious attack against Cain over this plan from our side.

193 This year above all else it is necessary to vote straight ticket regardless...

Sorry, but never again. Just what corruption needs, a blank check.

194 I hope every Republican politician who endorses Romney gets primaried and shown the door. Buh-bye.

195

Gov. Susana Martinez of New Mexico didn't necome a Republican until 1996. She was born in El Paso, TX.  She's great.

I think Texan Republicans should run everything,

I'm not kidding.

196 BTW, wasn't that Clinton's big opposition to more drilling -- it would take years for the results to materialize?

197

>> I haven't heard conservatives demand a halt to drilling and refining oil.

I haven't heard another Republican candidate suggest it.

 

And I've been listening.  Also the Florida straw poll can suck my dick.

 

 

198

BTW, this is great in terms of ideas from our side: Ryan 's entitlement reform plan, Cain 's 999 tax plan, and Perry/Palin 's energy plan for job creation. These are complimentary, not exclusive. Let 's run with them.

 

199

I think Texan Republicans should run everything,

I'm not kidding.

Posted by: mghorning


You saying we don't?

200 I have voted straight Republican Party ticket every year except 2008. I refused to vote for Graham. I had already voted against him twice, once in the primary and once in the runoff.

Yes, he was primaried in 2008 and did not even get 50%. That is unheard of for an incumbent Senator in SC.

I will bet that he will not even run in 2014 because he has already lost control of the State Republican party. He is wangling for a VP slot now, probably with Romney.

201

Gov. Susana Martinez of New Mexico didn't necome a Republican until 1996. She was born in El Paso, TX.  She's great.

I think Texan Republicans should run everything,

Hey, if Perry is our nominee. I don't mind a little pandering with Martinez either, even though Nikki Haley may be better on the merits. I like to have Cain play the race card with the left though.

202 LAI an establishment candidate

My context, "establishment" enables and strengthens the establishment to function.

No, Cain wasn't born a Senator's son.

Cain is hogtied to 999 as his claim to fame. Were he to drop it like a hot potato in order to play someone else's VP, he'd be a seat warmer in Congress if ever he showed up for work.

So we agree that it isn't as if the POTUS must sign onto a VP's platform in the campaign; except that it happens more often than not at least once in office. GHWB made the Reagan administration as clearly neoconservative as Bush Sr. ever intended his own administration to be, for instance.

203

Cain should not be putting all his cards in his 999 plan.

The left will tear him to pieces with it......because it "Taxes the Poor" and gives "Tax Cuts for the Rich".  

204 anyway, despite my commentary, it's a decent plan.  If Mitt implements it, I'll be in favor too.

205 Graham is wangling for a VP slot now, probably with Romney.

If there were any doubt, no longer. Romney/Graham, God spare us!

Regarding Constitutional Governance, "Well, I'd leave it up to the lawyers to decide."--MittRomney

206 I haven't heard another Republican candidate suggest it. Posted by: Dave in Texas Not sure this counts but Bachman (sp?) has stated that she would do everything outlined in Perry's plan but without the executive order. She doesn't want to abuse that. Kind of convenient for her don't you think? If she was going to do all this why didn't she tell us?

207

@207

    Read the entire post again---and reflect on it.

208

You saying we don't?

 

That's just what we want you to think.

209

What might have been....

When Santa Fe County, Texas was created in March 1948 by the state legislature, how far north did it extend?

 

 

Present day Wyoming. (42nd parallel).

 

 

210 The left will tear him to pieces with it......because it "Taxes the Poor" and gives "Tax Cuts for the Rich". 

And so 999 does.

And he knew it when he endorsed it's formulation.

And he wouldn't bat an eyelash when he tells the middle class to stfu and pay their (new) taxes.

Which independent agency formulated Cain's 999 --- banking on Cain's run?

211

anyway, despite my commentary, it's a decent plan. 

What do you mean, "despite" you commentary? I especially liked your use of the term "crony-fairy-farts".

212

Well here it is.  Denounce the plan, conservatives.  Tell us why it's such a baaaad plan.

It's not his turn! You can't offer plans out of turn or else we'll become a nation of queue jumpers and society will collapse and we'll all kill each other at the DMV.

213 If they were to pass the 9-9-9 plan as a Constitutional amendment and lock it in at exactly 9-9-9 I might be for it, even though it would be a huge tax increase for me with an already 8% sales tax (10.5% on prepared food).

But that will never happen. If it did pass based on what we have in the current congress it would probably wind up being some huge sales tax and income tax complete with "pre-bates" to the looter segment of the population. And then it would go downhill from there with future congresses.

So wait, I will not support 9-9-9, perhaps Bachmann is right, it is truly 6-6-6.,

214 Present day Wyoming. (42nd parallel).

I saw that map on the wall waiting for a root canal.

215 Rick Perry hates science and Mormons. If he had his way, all gasoline would be 15% Mormon. He also killed a guy in college, at least that's what wife #4 told me.

216 Gov. Susana Martinez of New Mexico didn't necome a Republican until 1996. She was born in El Paso, TX.  She's great.

Martinez is the best governor New Mexico has had since...Gary Johnson.  Of course, we had ^(shudder) Bill Richardson for eight years.  I think it is a very bad idea to bring a governor of less than two years experience into the race this time.  Not Haley, not Martinez.

217 You can't have Susana yet. We need her to clean the stench of Bill Richardson out of NM first.

218 I saw that map on the wall waiting for a root canal.

Did a hand write "mene, mene, tekel, upharsin" on the wall in blood while you were watching?

219 Is anyone else seeing a sidebar ad for Classes USA that looks like Michelle O in a leotard?

220 I will NOT vote for Romney. I will vote for everybody else on the ticket, and just not the presidential box if Romney is the only choice. That will be my message to the GOP. They obviously did not get my 2010 message, so I'll try again in2012 if Romney is selected. Don't forget to watch the Lions win again tomorrow. Their 6th in a row!

221

#106 - Romney is a moderate GOP/conservative.  Comments like these that he will usher in a communist dicatorship are so overboard that they eliminate any value your comment had.

#139 - According to this site I am retarded becuase I recognize and understand that Romney is positioning himself for the general and trying to bring in moderates and independents that will be needed to win while Perry is still playing the swaggering cowboy to get the base but is not pulling in any moderates or independents.  On AGW Romney said that he believed the earth was warming (which is what most people agree with), said that it should be studied (which is what most people agree with) but didn't then propose a massive regulatory scheme to address it.  Perry's kill the EPA plays very well with the GOP Base but doesn't play well with the general public.  Romneycare is only an issue if you don't believe him when he says he will repeal Ocare. 

222 214 I think Texan Republicans should run everything, I'm not kidding. Posted by: mghorning You saying we don't? Posted by: Dr Spank I wish we did. Dr. Spank, are you are a fellow Texan?

223 Posted by: nobamain12 at October 15, 2011 05:49 PM (1CcaY)

Everything you said there sure sounds reasonable, too bad it is all total bull shit.

224  I would just like to remind you that you get to deduct from your income 1/2 of your self-employment tax. And if your not.....your doing it wrong/

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 15, 2011 05:45 PM (OWjjx)

Really? I don't think I ever did that. How do you do it, what's it called?

225 Bill Richardson, the only governor ever drafted by the Kansas City A's?  Or something.
Posted by: Doctor Fish at October 15, 2011 05:49 PM

Totally, except for not being drafted at all.  Dollar Bill was much like his pal, Bubba Clinton, a complete lying sack of shit.

226 It's a good plan but Perry hasn't a clue why. He won't be able to explain it except with platitudes. Any detail explanation required from him and he will step all over his dick.

227 >>I wish we did. Dr. Spank, are you are a fellow Texan?


Yes, unlike Dave I was born here.

228 Y'see, this is the kind of thing Perry should have rolled out the minute he announced his candidacy.   Get a whole slate of stuff out there for people to talk about.

I don't agree with a lot of his immigration nonsense, but that's peanuts compared to the idea that Romney actually sought John Holdren's opinion on anything.   That's pure evil.

At this point as far as I"m concerned I'm not even convinced I'd support Romney against Obama unless he commits to firing James Hansen and shuttering GISS.

Unless we can seal the environuts in a 55-gallon drum and dump them in the ocean none of the rest matters.

229

239.....Romneycare is only an issue if you don't believe him when he says he will repeal Ocare.

Romney supporters need to put forth a guidebook for us on "When we can believe what Mitt Romney is saying".

 

230

nation of queue jumpers and society

I read that as queer jumpers and wondered what the hell.

231 Bill Richardson, the only BoSox and Yankee fan in the known universe.

232

#157 - the point here is that on this site, HA etc you see Romey/Cain voters saying they want these candidates but will support Perry if he is the nominee.  On the other hand Perry supports scream that they will stay home even if that means O is reelected. 

Look I actually would actively support Perry.  I think a Perry/Romney or Romney/Perry ticket would work.  But I recognize that Perry has had a very poor campaign so far which his supporters here can't accept.  So they instead they repeatedly scream Romney is a RINO and say they are going to sit out the election if Romney is the nominee.

233 >>On AGW Romney said that he believed the earth was warming (which is what most people agree with), said that it should be studied (which is what most people agree with) but didn't then propose a massive regulatory scheme to address it.


He passed such a scheme in Massachusetts, oh wait, I'm sorry, Romney's record is irrelevant.

234 So wait, I will not support 9-9-9, perhaps Bachmann is right, it is truly 6-6-6.,

Were it a choice between Obama and Perry?

Perry: GWBush had Tom Delay The Hammer along with Newt twisting arms for votes while touting "political capital". Who is going to be Perry's Hammer? Bush had familial ties to the nation's power elite. Perry's riding in literally from Texas, not from the Eastern Ivy League clique. I expect Congress would tralala along the lines it did under GWBush, "compassionate" neoconservatism, keep on spending but perhaps either temporarily lower a tax or go through the antics of a "rebate" that requires repayment by the taxpayer, growing the DEBT sinking the Dollar. What in Perry's "fiscal conservative" record implies that he'd thwart and veto a Congressional bail-out like TARP or a Dollar alignment as if part of the Euro. Washington DC is not Texas.

Obama: more taxes more spending more debt more Marxism MUCH MORE VIOLENCE up in your face at home and abroad ...no more "Dollar" but whatever the UN coins.

235 You saying we don't?

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 15, 2011 05:37 PM (Sh42X)

^(no)

236 I just send FoxNews an email to strongly express my displeasure in the bias they are showing against Perry.  I encourage other like-minded morons here to do the same.  Sending an email is easy, and it's something we can actively do to try to change things.

237

Besides if you think about it, it's really not fair to Obama against anyone except last time's loser, like we did last time with the loser before.

We cannot be a racist party and must embrace affirmative action, by nominating the guy who couldn't beat McCain.

McCain being the guy who lost Indiana, Iowa, Ohio, Florida, and Virginia.

But Barrack Obama is much weaker now than last time, so we need to run the guy who lost to the guy who lost to the guy we elected 12 years ago, that ended up going squishy on us worse than any president since Lyndon Johnson.

Don't you want a fair and competitive election?!?

238 Yes, unlike Dave I was born here. Posted by: Dr Spank I have a special place in my heart for native Texans. Sorry I am not one. I moved to this great state back in '79.

239 221 Graham is wangling for a VP slot now, probably with Romney. If there were any doubt, no longer. Romney/Graham, God spare us! Posted by: didn't take long Couldn't agree more.

240 #253 No he didn't. I bet you are not even ashamed for being so clueless. You'll dismiss you ignorance and just move on to the next untruth. Just like the left.

241

U.S. Navy Admiral Chester A. Nimitz, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Audie Murphy, and Chuck Norris.

 

All from Texas.

 

Fear us.

242

>> It's a good plan but Perry hasn't a clue why. He won't be able to explain it except with platitudes. Any detail explanation required from him and he will step all over his dick.

Critique the actual plan, if you would. Let us know why Romney's energy plan is so much better.

I actually don't care who comprehends it.  I care who will implement it.

Romney, it ain't even on his radar.

 

 

243 Bill Richardson, the only BoSox and Yankee fan in the known universe. Posted by: osoloco at October 15, 2011 05:56 PM

And that bastard Curt Schilling!

244 Bachman signed a pledge to protect the border today (LOL).  Still attacking Perry.  So is Cain.  WTF?

245 243 I would just like to remind you that you get to deduct from your income 1/2 of your self-employment tax. And if your not.....your doing it wrong/

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 15, 2011 05:45 PM (OWjjx)

Really? I don't think I ever did that. How do you do it, what's it called?

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Line 27 on this year's standard 1040. Attach a Schedule SE and Schedule C. They're easy to fill out.

246 a very poor campaign so far which his supporters here can't accept.

There it is: Campaign vs. PLATFORM.

Accepting. Rather, strategists go figure what to do about it given support for his platform.

"Romney IS a RINO" has been conventional wisdom since he was elected Gov./Mass. Being a RINO gets the "establishment electability" backing. Whining otherwise doesn't make Romney "conservative".

247 #242 - right back at ya.  You're a very strong Perry supporter and cannot find anything wrong with him or anything right with the other candidates --that's fine.  As stated repeatedly I am still looking and Perry is a definite choice if he gets his act together but I have not drunk the Perry kool-aid yet.

248 >>260 #253 No he didn't. I bet you are not even ashamed for being so clueless. You'll dismiss you ignorance and just move on to the next untruth. Just like the left.


I read in the last week that he had. Hey, here's a link. And fuck you.

249 He passed such a scheme in Massachusetts, oh wait, I'm sorry, Romney's record is irrelevant.

nah, he didn't "pass" it. He pushed it, supported it, and got it almost all the way to approval until it neared the end of his term and he decided to run for President. He then backed out of it knowing that it would go through anyway.

It was the same kind of shit Scott Brown and the ME sisters did with Dodd-Frank, vote for cloture and then vote against it later on the floor.

250 All from Texas.

Eisenhower was asked by the Democrat Party to run on their ticket for potus. He turned down the offer and switched parties to run for his Republican administration.

btw, Isn't Chuck Norris a Libertarian?

251 very bad idea to bring a governor of less than two years experience into the race this time.  Not Haley, not Martinez.

Posted by: huerfano at October 15, 2011 05:47 PM (fecOD)

I am not promoting a Martinez candidacy here.  We need her to change NM.  My point was that she has not always been a Rep. and she is doing well, very well!

She is prolife. pro energy and conservative.  She is also a Texan by birth. Sound like someone we talking about?

252 264 Bachman signed a pledge to protect the border today (LOL).  Still attacking Perry.  So is Cain.  WTF?

Posted by: carolauren at October 15, 2011 06:02 PM (vAIM/)

Deals with Romney perhaps?  It's been very telling in how the other candidates have been reacting towards Romney.  Do you remember in the 2nd to last debate that Bachman kissed Romney when she greeted him on stage?  I thought that was way, way inappropriate in that forum.  Cain announced before the last debate that he was going to go after Romney.  I didn't see it if he did.

253 btw, Isn't Chuck Norris a Libertarian?  Posted by: didn't take long at October 15, 2011 06:06 PM

I'll ask him next time we hang out.

254 Headed to watch the Rangers play some hometown baseball!  See you morons later!

255 Romneycare is only an issue if you don't believe him when he says he will repeal Ocare. And he said that when? All I've ever heard from Romney is he'd issue waivers to the states. That's not a repeal.

256 Reading through this thread, I see four more years of Obama in our future.

So long, America. It was nice knowing ya.

257 >>nah, he didn't "pass" it


The "link' disagrees.

258 You're a very strong Perry supporter and cannot find anything wrong with him or anything right with the other candidates --that's fine.

You obviously just showed up on this site if you think that. Who is paying you to troll for Romney?

259 RANGERS!!!

260

She is prolife. pro energy and conservative.  She is also a Texan by birth. Sound like someone we talking about?  Posted by: mghorning at October 15, 2011 06:07 PM

Me?  I'm really not that well known...oh, what the hell.  I'm unemployed.

261 @theotherdave
"Then again, were Perry to win the GOP ticket, he could take Vic's advice and NOT debate Obama."

Funny you should say that.In Perry's last gubernatorial race he refused to debate democrat Bill White unless White released his tax returns from the Clinton years (White Energy/Dept. for Clinton and started an energy company after leaving the administration) White refused to do so and Perry trounced him. It was a hoot.

Perry's plan is a good one and it isn't a Palin plan it has Perry's approach and thinking all over it. It's put in terms easy for voters to digest which is a Perry hallmark when he's pitchin an issue. It's how he speaks and how he campaigns. The tort reform is a variation on Loser Pays Law and will stifle the enviromoonbats and stop Cailifornia's enviro-standards tyranny on the rest of the nation.

262

You're a very strong Perry supporter and cannot find anything wrong with him or anything right with the other candidates

The supporters I see here that appear to be the ones thinking their candidate can do no wrong are not Perry supporters.  Many ditched him after the "heartless" comment.  Others did not like the statement and acknowledge it hurt him.  And I doubt any Perry supporter will claim he's done well in the debates.  No the supporters I see that seem to think their candidate can do no wrong are the Romney supporters.  It just doesn't show up that often because usually they're whining about how they are such a minority on the site.

263 OT: Remember the video I posted a day or so ago of the guy that had the OWS meltdown? Well guess what....

A Breitbart.tv investigation has uncovered that the man whose epic meltdown video at the “Occupy Wall Street” protests went viral is really Edward T. Hall III. Mr. Hall is a Columbia graduate student who has a trust fund set up by his grandfather. He recently made headlines for trying to board a flight at JFK airport by hopping the ticket counter and diving onto the baggage carousel.

He was charged with trespassing and is free on “conditional release.”

I bet grandpa is reeeeal proud. Can you revoke a trust fund?

264

#253 - #260 beat me to it.  He did not. But of couse since this doesn't fit with the Romney is a RINO meme it will be ignored. 

#259 - Romney's 59 point, 160 plan included energy independence and reducing regulations, including the EPA.  But again since it doesn't fit with your Romney meme it is ignored.

265

Romney 2012: Because there's no one else.

Posted by: The Other Dave at October 15, 2011 04:02 PM (hnoTN)

If I could set your comment on fire somehow, I would. Then piss on the ashes.

266

Posted by: nobamain12 at October 15, 2011 05:49 PM (1CcaY)

So. its your positioin that its OK to change your stated Platform, to get elected?  From what you really think and believe?

That somehow, in WASHINGTON, Romney will suddenly vear RIGHT? once elected? When his past shows he is more likely to vear LEFT?

/shakes head in wonder...

267

I'm with Cain. The guy is out there and speaking his mind and he's not scared to do it.

Hell, he showed up at Ohio Christian University two days ago.

Would Romney do that? Nope.

Would Perry do that? Nope.

Would Bachmann do that? Nope.

Content of character. Cain has it, the rest of the field doesn't.

268 Mittens was for EPA regulations (2005) before he was for reducing them.

269 I don't think the Democrats should get to pick both parties candidates anymore.

270 Honestly I like Cain, but I don't much like his 9-9-9 plan at all. I'm opposed to a 9% national sales tax in addition to an income tax.

271 As far as I can tell, Cain hearts Romney.  He talks oh so nice about him and never attacks him.

272 nobamain12, you're apparently stupid, or do not know how to click on a link, which also makes you stupid.

273

Hell, he showed up at Ohio Christian University two days ago.

Would Romney do that? Nope.

Would Perry do that? Nope.

Would Bachmann do that? Nope.

Why wouldn't Perry or Bachmann?

They both would.

274 289 I don't think the Democrats should get to pick both parties candidates anymore.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 15, 2011 06:13 PM (ieDPL)

Its not importan who has the vote, just who counts the votes...

275 275 Romneycare is only an issue if you don't believe him when he says he will repeal Ocare.

And he said that when? All I've ever heard from Romney is he'd issue waivers to the states. That's not a repeal.

Posted by: Trust Fund 99%r at October 15, 2011 06:09 PM (WkdU9)

Oh no, he says he'd repeal it.  Only after being heavily questioned though.  It seems like he doesn't want that sound bit out there.  At the last debate he said he would do "repeal and replace."  And he even claimed that he has it out there on what he would Replace it with.  Of course, he didn't give any indication on what it is during the debate, just that he has a plan.  But remember, you can only criticize Perry for not talking more in depth on his plan.  Not Romney.

Of course I think his repeal and replace claim is bull shit and he'll do a "waivers and now we have more time to make it work properly" plan.

 

276

#266 - so you're saying campaigns don't matter?  As for platform one of the reasons Perry fell behind is because he didn't one except "look at Texas".  This energy plan is a good start on the platform issue

#275 - he says it repeatedly.  He said it very clearly at the last debate for example.

#278 - not a Romneybot.  Just because I don't think Perry is flawless doesn't make me a Romneybot

 

277 Just because we have some "newbies" on here for Romney I'll reiterate my position:

Choice now Perry, if not him then
Cain, if not him then
Santorum if not him then
Bachmann, if not her then
Ron Paul

In the general I will vote for any of the above. If Romney gets it, it becomes debatable.

That subject to change based on new people maybe entering (doubtful at this stage) or the USA collapses before the election.

And anyone who has read my eval knows that I did not consider Perry a "purity" candidate. I don't think anyone does. 

278 Holy shit.  Cain proposed an electric border fence today.  Um.  Speechless.

279

Why wouldn't Perry or Bachmann?

They both would.

Posted by: Entropy at October 15, 2011 06:16 PM (dn7cw)

They didn't.

280 .... 298..  powered by solar panels?
...or wind

281 Mine fields are the ticket.

282 @didn'ttakelong

" What in Perry's "fiscal conservative" record implies that he'd thwart and veto a Congressional bail-out like TARP or a Dollar alignment as if part of the Euro. Washington DC is not Texas."

He did it during the last session. The Legislature wanted to dip again into the rainy day fund to balance the budget and Perry said We don't have the money so cut. He kept them from depleting the fund, pissed off teachers but sales tax revenues are back to 2008 levels and the rainy day fund will back up to $7 Billion by 2013.

283 Yip in Texas at October 15, 2011 06:18 PM (Sh+fu)

Liberal tears.

284 298 Holy shit.  Cain proposed an electric border fence today.  Um.  Speechless.

Posted by: carolauren at October 15, 2011 06:18 PM (vAIM/)

Awesome. Roast the fuckers.

285 buzzion find me a Romney poster on this blog , all eight of us, that threatened not to vote for Perry if he is the nominee.

286

Honestly I like Cain, but I don't much like his 9-9-9 plan at all. I'm opposed to a 9% national sales tax in addition to an income tax.

Is that it? Or is it the numbers?

The way I cipher it, a 9% sales tax (when combined with a 9% personal income tax and everything else equal) hurts people currently in the 10% or lower brackets, helps people currently in the 25% or higher brackets, and is pretty much a wash for people now in the 15% bracket. But the 9% corporate income tax benefits everybody.

287 Perry should expand his plan to include fully exploiting all natural resources: rare earth metals, timber, etc.

288

Rep. Michele Bachmann will be headlining a fundraiser in November for controversial ministry You Can Run But You Cannot Hide (YCRBYCH).

Based in Annandale, Minn., the group has made a name for itself as an anti-drug Christian punk rock band that organizes motivational student assemblies to bring Christ to public schools.

-----

A federal judge dismissed a lawsuit that sought to stop Gov. Rick Perry from sponsoring a national day of Christian prayer and fasting, ruling Thursday that the group of atheists and agnostics did not have legal standing to sue.

U.S. District Judge Gray H. Miller said the Freedom From Religion Foundation argued against Perry's involvement based merely on feelings of exclusion, but did not show sufficient harm to merit the injunction they sought.

"The governor has done nothing more than invite others who are willing to do so to pray," Miller said.

289 305 buzzion find me a Romney poster on this blog , all eight of us, that threatened not to vote for Perry if he is the nominee.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 15, 2011 06:20 PM (i9cTu)

Did I say you would do that?  No.  Fuck you.

Quit acting like a democrat like your candidate and creating strawmen.

290 And he said that when? All I've ever heard from Romney is he'd issue waivers to the states. That's not a repeal.

At the bloomberg debate, Romney said he'd issue waivers on day 1. Repeal on day 2. Then went on to say that since it passed via reconciliation, it can be repealed via reconciliation.

Not that I believe he would. But hey; there it is.

291 291 As far as I can tell, Cain hearts Romney. He talks oh so nice about him and never attacks him. Posted by: carolauren This what really bothers me about all the supposedly Tea Party candidates. None of them are attacking him on his record. Perry is the only one attempting to call him out. And six out of the seven are bashing Perry. Really makes no sense if your actually a Tea Party candidate. Maybe that's the answer.

292 This is a very fair summary, up to a point. Well: up to 3 points. The first bone of contention will be that the Perry Plan (more an outline of a plan at this point, but that's as it should be, given that once the commitment is made, details get worked in over time) doesn't account for the costs in developing sources in the far (depending on how far one looks) future. There's a line - more a glimmer of a wisp - among some of your non-orthodox geologists, that the stuff comes from deep inside the planet and gets squeezed out towards the top like a pimple, we can never really run out, we just have to keep going deeper to get at it; but compared to the science behind AGW, conservatively speaking, it's a bet that falls somewhere between complete fantasy and a mamor win in PowerBall. In any event, the Perry Plan doesn't even try to cost this factor in, whereas the Obama-Chu Plan (or stumble) tries to. The second goes to AGW. No need to dive into that cesspool here; suffice to say, Obama-Chu aims at it (in the nature of inflicting a flesh wound), whereas Perry says - implies - the science isn't there, & if & when it is, the technology to do something meaningful about never will be, so let the market work it out. I take from the Perry Plan that the response on THESE two fronts is something like, 1. Even if you assume the stuff is going to run out, a) this, in the midst of the Biggest Economic Crisis in Eighty Years, is not the time to be screwing around with Futurama, and besides, no one can realistically cost out replacement energy, so the prudent move is to boot that down the road; 2. If you assume GW, and even AGW, see 1. a), the see 1. b) - because for all we know, when the times comes, we could be rubbing two stick people together to make fire. Last point is that Dave seems to lump in the Obama-Chu costs of the first two bones, finding alternatives & 'addressing' AGW, with the costs of ongoing air quality maintenance. The Perry Plan assumes we scrap all of that. That's not going to work with voters with memories of L.A. smog & problems with emphysema & other breathing issues, because it effectively means turning the U.S. into the industrial heartland of the interior of China. But - it might: Americans may well be seeing themselves as worse off than Chinese peons at this point.

293 Re Cain's fry-baby fence.  Can you imagine Obama on the stump with Hispanics?

294 Any candidate who says they will repeal Obamacare is blowing smoke up your ass. We will need more votes in the Senate than we can possibly get next cycle.

Our only hope of getting rid of it is SCOTUS.

295 "10 speaking of California, don't they have significant oil there even without offshore drilling? There are all sorts of oil fields in the central valley and stuff. Are they tapped out?" Nope. Yup.

296 287 I'm with Cain. The guy is out there and speaking his mind and he's not scared to do it.

Hell, he showed up at Ohio Christian University two days ago.

Perry already did something similar a month ago, when he was at Liberty University in Lynchburg, VA. ....He gave a speech -- not on politics -- but on 'Christian Values'.

Perry:

“America is going to be guided by some set of values. The question is going go to be: Whose values?”

297 Of course I think his repeal and replace claim is bull shit and he'll do a "waivers and now we have more time to make it work properly" plan.   Posted by: buzzion at October 15, 2011 06:16 PM (GULKT) No kidding. So it's a kick the can down the road plan or swap the can out plan. For me, Mitt's stance on guns turns me off, for the primary. Without the 2nd, there is no 1st. I'm an ABBO voter though. @296 I missed the last debate but have seen every other debate. Links please to Romney saying he'd repeal ObamaCare.

298 Perry says - implies - the science isn't there, & if & when it is, the technology to do something meaningful about never will be, so let the market work it out.

No what Perry said is the damn thing is phony, there is no science. He has actually sued the EPA.

299 Choice now Perry, if not him then
Cain, if not him then
Santorum if not him then
Bachmann, if not her then
Ron Paul

In the general I will vote for any of the above. If Romney gets it, it becomes debatable.
Posted by: Vic
..............
Huh?

WTF does that even mean, Vic?  You will only get the chance to vote for one in the primary.

Perry will still be in by the time the primaries roll around.

So, fine.  Vote for Perry.  I still might as well.. and since Illois has moved to March they will be forced to apportion delegates proportionally.. might do Perry some good.

But I still don't get that whole list of candidates of yours.. is that the order of your votes if they all start getting assassinated from top down?

And if Romney does get the nomination and you don't vote.. then fuck you.. and shut the fuck up from that point on, ok?

300

All I have to say is, fuck Romney.  Oh , and fuck Huntsman.

Then, let the games begin.

301 Links please to Romney saying he'd repeal ObamaCare.

Here

302 WTF does that even mean, Vic?  You will only get the chance to vote for one in the primary.

Haven't you heard of candidates dropping out before the primary in your State? I know a lot of these candidate will hang around and let Romney win on plurality but some may actually do the right thing and drop.

303 I second that. Fuck Romney. Fuck Huntsman. If the choice is between 2 Democrats in the general flip a coin. The Republican Party will go the way of the Whigs and be replaced by something better.

304

Dave was 'against' Rick Perry before he was 'for' Rick Perry. Or something like that.Im totally confused right now. Beuller?

Post 320 is sponsored by; "Who the hell reads this far down INC."

305 And if Romney does get the nomination and you don't vote.. then fuck you.. and shut the fuck up from that point on, ok?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 15, 2011 06:28 PM (UTq/I)

Chi-town - respectfully kiss my ass. We all know you love taxes and liberals, you have posted such here many times.

306 Posted by: Entropy at October 15, 2011 06:14 PM (dn7cw)

If I might barge in here, I like the plan, but I do think that pointing out what the Democrats will do to that 9% tax rate when they get their hands on it is a legitimate criticism.  It will only stay there with elected officials who realize that government spending really doesn't need to be anywhere near the level it's at now.

As for the income tax, Cain's plan is supposed to be an interim plan to transition from the current tax system to the Fair Tax, which is only a national sales tax.

307 My mistake.Post 324. Im slow.

308 "12 ... By the way, Norway (and the Brits) have been drilling in the North Sea for decades. Norway is probably the most enviro-conscious nation on earth and absolutely pristine in its beauty (they hate Joos and love Islamos, but that's another story)." If you been there recently, they got a government program now where you have to hate all religion equally, which seems to be working out. But the point, there's a difference between enviro-consciousness & stuff you actually do. The North Sea drilling allows them to avoid the NIMBY factor, but they have spills - Norway just had a fair-sized one this past week. I think the phenomenon is called 'hypocrisy' or something - at least that's what Denmark calls it, since they don't have off-shore prospects.

309

The way I cipher it, a 9% sales tax (when combined with a 9% personal income tax and everything else equal) hurts people currently in the 10% or lower brackets, helps people currently in the 25% or higher brackets, and is pretty much a wash for people now in the 15% bracket. But the 9% corporate income tax benefits everybody.

I don't have any terrible problem with the numbers.

I don't like the federal government operating both an income tax and a sales tax at the same time. I worry very much that all the games they play with income taxes will continue, and we'll all learn what kind of games they can play with a sales tax, and what we'll find out what unforseen, terrible synergies they discover they can do with both at once.

For one thing, have you been following at all the increasing attempts to regulate the internet, and that mainly the motive is to get tax revenue out of it? Are you familiar with the Amazon affiliate issues that have risen in some states? And the Federal online poker ban?

How does a 9% federal sales tax impact that debate, and impact online retailers who will have to collect federal sales tax? Will Amazon's small affiliates, selling used books out of their garage or trading coin collections, have to start collecting federal sales tax? And if they're doing that, I imagine those records make them liable for state taxes as well. Quite probably, multi-state sales taxes.

Imagine 9% federal, 8% state of origin, 9% state of destination.

Now, what about ebay puchases from individual sellers?

And what about cash services? What about services in general?

This, expanding government  revenue collection in a whole new area, is most certainly NOT a simple affair expressed in 1 digit.

And the devil is in the details.

310 Obama Occupied-the-Golf Course for 5 hours today.  Solidarity!

311 I give up. You guys are just too damn fast.

312 Cain's plan is supposed to be an interim plan to transition from the current tax system to the Fair Tax, which is only a national sales tax.

Well, the fair tax is a POS too.

313 Well, the fair tax is a POS too.

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2011 06:34 PM (M9Ie6)

Yeah, it may be that. But the IRS is a bigger piece of shit.

314 Yeah, it may be that. But the IRS is a bigger piece of shit.

Actually, the current system is not as bad as the so-called fair tax.

The ONLY fair tax would be a flat tax on all income no deductions and no exceptions.

315 I'm looking for a steady hand at the wheel and smaller government.  I don't really care to elect the best debater. 

316 Vote for me!

317 There's a lot of people who may end up sitting out the general election if Romney is the candidate.  We already see that there is a strong line of thought that Romney is damn near as bad as Obama, so what the heck.  There's going to be a lot of pissed off conservatives if a RINO is once against foisted upon us.  We are better positioned now to elect a true conservative than we've been since Reagan.  Carter brought forth a conservative landslide.  Obama is worse then Carter ever dreamed of, so extrapolate from there.

318 Posted by: macintx at October 15, 2011 06:22 PM (ucs8Y) This x 1,000 I'm tired of inside baseball and the long game. Vote for the candidate that most aligns with your ideas to get the Gov't you want. Refreshing. . It ain't like Obama has a kick-ass record and I'm pretty sure he won't be able to use a teleprompter in the debates.

319 I'll choke the competition.

320 I'll beat everyone.

321 Vote for me!

Posted by: Master Debater at October 15, 2011 06:36 PM (8cQy5)

Or me!

322 I'll whack all comers.

323 Don't jerk me around.  I will!

324 Let me just say one thing to all youse guys who say you will sit out voting for Romney and then I'm done..

Here's what you will have caused if Obama wins a second term:

First off, he will no longer give a fuck about upsetting moderate voters.  Everything he does will be aimed toward socializing this country as much as he can.

But, you say, if we win the House and Senate he won't be able to do anything.

Au contraire..  In the lame duck session before being sworn in he will choose not to address the expiring Bush tax cuts that they extended.  Taxes will automatically go up for nearly every paying taxpayer in the country.. without him or the Dems doing anything.. nothing.

My taxes will go up $2 - $4 grand a year.. and I will blame every one of you sons of bitches who didn't want to vote for Romney for the sake of purity.

325 Among other things, nobody is sure where Romney stands on the second ammendment or who he would appoint toSCOTUS. those are major factors in my choice. That is why I like Perry.

326 I'll beat them like they owe me money.

327 I will vote for a dirty jockstrap if it means a chance of kicking Obama out of office.

I mean it. I will vote for ANYONE but Obama.

328 I want a border fence. That is electrified. And laughs at mexicans while electrocuting them. And shoots ninja stars at random mexicans who look at it wrong.

329 You should blame yourself for voting for Romney knowing that it will split the Part and end it forever.

But then again, you will not have time to blame anyone. If you truly live in Chicago the great collapse will occur shortly after the election and you will be long pig buffet on one of Obama's constituent's plate.

330

348

Hilarious.

 

331 Tin foil hat territory, but I have to wonder.  Could the reason that Romney is being pushed at us from far and wide be an attempt to kill the Tea Party?  I've thought about this for a while now.  The Tea Party worked tirelessly in the 2010 cycle and made a huge impact.  The Tea Party is truly a grass-roots movement, and because of that, I believe they scare the living daylights out of the establishment GOP and the establishment media (FoxNews included).  Our betters in government circles and the media gain their power from being the "deciders".  They can't control the Tea Party or their message.  The Tea Party will not support Romney.  They may mobilize for local candidates, but the wind will be taken out of the sails if the top guy is, once again, a RINO.

332

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 15, 2011 06:40 PM (UTq/I)

I highly doubt that the morons are going to sit on their hands. Yes, there is a lot of frustration but it's still a year away from the general election. 

333 Posted by: lorien1973 at October 15, 2011 06:29 PM (usXZy) Thank you. I missed the last debate. I'll pull the lever for Romney in the general but it's odd that a repeal isn't found anywhere near his top 5 for day one of his presidency and odd that it took so long to get him to utter the word repeal. Again, thanks.

334 The ONLY fair tax would be a flat tax on all income no deductions and no exceptions.

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2011 06:36 PM (M9Ie6)

IRS is still a piece of shit.

335 There's going to be a lot of pissed off conservatives if a RINO is once against foisted upon us.

Foisted upon us? If Perry or Cain can't win the nomination it's because of them.

336 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure

337 "26 3. ... Solar is about 40 years old. The breakthrough hasn't happened. It's not reliable enough to even be called 'alternative energy'." Actually, what there is of it works fine, and there's lots of it elsehwhere, particular in Yerp. The problems with it HERE seem to be peculiarly U.S. problems, involving things like, the technology to get it underway is mostly foreign-produced, which means big costs and big delays, and then transmission issues, as in there's very little of it here, and then the market is more attracted to surer returns from the more traditional sources - but even there, the market is, uh, not unresponsive to lobbied government (I realize that's a sensitive spot here - hey, it's not as if I haven't had to deal with it myself - but going ostrich on that factor, to me anyway, isn't the smart way to go.).

338 My taxes will go up $2 - $4 grand a year.. and I will blame every one of you sons of bitches who didn't want to vote for Romney for the sake of purity.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 15, 2011 06:40 PM (UTq/I)

Perry is a long ways from pure, but he isn't a 2 dollar vote whore either.

339 I will vote for a dirty jockstrap if it means a chance of kicking Obama out of office.

I mean it. I will vote for ANYONE but Obama.
Posted by: As If! at October 15, 2011 06:44 PM

Me too.  I held my nose and voted for the dirty jock...uh, McCain.  But, I don't want to vote for just anyone this time. 

340 IRS is still a piece of shit.

I agree with that. Perhaps we can get Romney to say he will repeal the 16th Amendment on the 3rd day and we can go back to tariffs and excise taxes with the States kicking in the remainder of the money.

341 Have dash That is what Rush has been saying, and he says he hears it from the establishment and lobbyists. They do not want the Tea Party, and are vocal about it. He said he heard somebody say, "They (tea partiers) think it is their party! well, it isn't.". That is why I say if Romney is my only choice on the general, I will not vote for him.

342 '5 Well that makes it a bad plan then. Not enough room for graft. Posted by: Jack at October 15, 2011 03:57 PM (zKFOT)' And he nails why government everywhere and always is a miserable failure.

343 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

344 Foisted upon us? If Perry or Cain can't win the nomination it's because of them.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 15, 2011 06:51 PM (GZitp)

The "Romney is the only electable candidate meme" and the media bias towards Romney won't factor in? 

345 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at October 15, 2011 06:40 PM I get what you are saying but I there is a lot of frustration with the conservative base in choosing our candidate. It is actually a farce on so many levels. The MSM, the establishment, the tinkering with primary dates, etc... are all trying to choose the candidate for us. The government is of the people, by the people, and for the people. But the people are being left out. This choosing of our candidate is being shoved down our throat just like Obama/Romneycare was. If the republican party wants power it better listen to its people. And yeah, I know you know all this but I feel better for writing it.

346 That is what Rush has been saying, and he says he hears it from the establishment and lobbyists. They do not want the Tea Party, and are vocal about it. He said he heard somebody say, "They (tea partiers) think it is their party! well, it isn't.". That is why I say if Romney is my only choice on the general, I will not vote for him.

Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at October 15, 2011 06:53 PM (6IV8T)

No kidding?  I don't get to listen to Rush because it's blocked at work.  Nice to know that I can take off my tin foil hat :-)

347 If Romney wins, I think there's a good chance the Tea Party will become a party.

348 A party-party.

349 Foisted upon us? If Perry or Cain can't win the nomination it's because of them.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 15, 2011 06:51 PM (GZitp)

Yeah we had nothin to do with it!

350 Meanwhile, Hotair has a story up that Romney's energy policy of destroying the Massachusetts energy sector in the name of Global Warming Bullshit was the prototype for Obama's EPA Attack on American Energy. The same way Romney's healthcare plan was the prototype for Obama's Sovietcare. Why ARE we going to make Romney OUR nominee, again??

351 The ONLY fair tax would be a flat tax on all income no deductions and no exceptions.

Posted by: Vic at October 15, 2011 06:36 PM (M9Ie6)

Absolutely.

352 367 If Romney wins, I think there's a good chance the Tea Party will become a party.

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 15, 2011 06:59 PM (8cQy5)

If Romney gets the nod then loses, I'd almost guarantee you that happens.

353 Oh, and by the way: that cheerleader in the photo for the College Football Thread is sporting a bra Bullwinkle could use to keep his rack warm on a cold, cold Maine night...

354 testing... 1...2...3.... testing....

355 A party-party.

A party for two!

356

The "Romney is the only electable candidate meme" and the media bias towards Romney won't factor in? 

Posted by: Havedash at October 15, 2011 06:57 PM (JfvbF)

I see, people are so malleable that the media can easily shape what they think but at the same time so rigid Perry and Cain can't change their minds.

357 @369 If Perry or Cain lose (especially Perry) it's not just because of them. It's because a wide assortment of pundits, establishment types, MSM people and various hacks will have done absolutely everything under the sun to discredit, shut out and discredit them. Hot Air just did a post the other day about the number of attacks Perry has received in the debates versus the other candidates. He has been attacked from all sides. And the shenanigans with moving the primary debates and these supposed Tea Party candidates who are shilling for Romney. Yes, Perry has made mistakes. We all concede that. But given what he's faced it's no wonder he's stumbled a bit. If a real conservative doesn't win this, it's partly our fault for our unwillingness to see through the darts and arrows that our own party lets fly in every direction. Like Rush said the other day: The Establishment has declared war on the Tea Party.

358 Romney is a liberal. When even Rush devotes half a show to explain that...

359

I see, people are so malleable that the media can easily shape what they think but at the same time so rigid Perry and Cain can't change their minds.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 15, 2011 07:07 PM (GZitp)

You say malleable, I say stupid.

360 I have been very much on the fence this election season. I very much like Palin, but can see that she has high negatives. I was a Romney supporter in 2008, but have been disappointed by some of his stands since then. Bachmann looked promising for awhile, until Perry's operatives caught her alone in her hotel room one night and administered an overdose of Tardisal. Perry just doesn't do it for me.

However, I have been looking hard at Herman Cain recently. There is a lot of hate for Cain and his 999 plan around here (yes Malor, I am looking at you). Wild claims of "it's a VAT!!! KILL IT!!!" and ominous allusions to secret plans of the Illuminati masters to use this as a foot in the door to allow for the funding of secret robot armies to take over the world. However, if Paul Ryan, Arthur Laffer and the Club for Growth can get behind 9-9-9, I really don't see how, in good faith, others can say that it is not a serious plan for dealing with our budget issues.

I think I am becoming a Cainiac: http://tinyurl.com/Cain4me

361 Have dash You can always read Rush's program at his website. Rushlimbaugh.com. He has been pretty clear about saying the establishment does not want a candidate that they can not control. That is why (he says) they do not like the tea party freshman. He says the lobbyists and establishment complain because these new guys say they were sent to Washington to do a job and refuse to bend. Obviously the establishment has no problem with "say anything Romney"!

362 Oh, boy, some Massachusetts principal wants to ban Columbus Day and Thanksgiving celebrations at her school because... they are insensitive to "native Americans," who of course are no more "native" than anyone else born here, and would not be "American" AT ALL if it were not for Columbus...

363 If Perry or Cain lose (especially Perry) it's not just because of them. It's because a wide assortment of pundits, establishment types, MSM people and various hacks will have done absolutely everything under the sun to discredit, shut out and discredit them.

They're in a catch-22.  They like Romney better than the conservatives, but Romney has a better chance of beating Obama.  They'd like Obama to win, but if he's going to lose, they want Romney... who has a better chance of beating Obama. 

So, tear down the conservatives or tear down Romney?

364 383 They'll tear down everyone and they'll cheat.

365 The Washington Times has Ted Nugent and John Bolton writing for them.

366

Whoever wins the Republican nomination will be our next president.  People will turn out in droves to get rid of the SCoaMF and his ghetto wife and socialist czars.  So when the conversation by the GOP/elite commentariat focuses on the who's the most electable against Obama, that's just bullshit.

And, personally, I think Perry would wipe his ass with Obama in a debate - he's called a stuttering clusteruck for a reason, ya know.  And if Perry just stood there and smiled all the way through, that'd be good enough for me.

And whoever does not vote for the Republican nominee causing Obama to get reelected, do not ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever open your pie hole to complain about how bad it is (and it will be bad) for the rest of your life - what little there will be that's left of it.  And that includes all the Tea Party retards.  It's one thing to vote for a congressman or senator with no governing experience, but the CIC?  Experience is key.

367 Does Rush tell you who this establishment is?

368

Cain proposed an electric fence along the southern border?  Does that stupid shit intend to install it himself right down the middle of the Rio Grand river?

Quick, someone tell Herman Cain water and electricity are not friendly to each other.

369

I see, people are so malleable that the media can easily shape what they think but at the same time so rigid Perry and Cain can't change their minds.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 15, 2011 07:07 PM (GZitp)

Hasn't the media bragged that they are good for 15 points?  Yes, some people are very pliable.  There's a large segment of the population who do not follow politics as closely as we do here.  Their opinions are very much formed by sound bites and news clips.  These are the people the media are going for.  Also, the bandwagon effect is also a jedi mind trick that can be very powerful.

370 I like Perry's plan. I hope it will stop his free fall. We actually donated to his campaign. on another note did anyone see that Cain broke out into song at one of his rally's? Really, lately can he do no wrong?

371 Sometimes five words is all you need:

Jobs, Jobs, Jobs

Rick Perry 2012

Well I guess that's five words and some numbers

372

 Does Rush tell you who this establishment is?

Yeah, the Republicans.

373 Really, lately can he do no wrong?

Oh, hi!

374

I hear you, entropy.

>> Now, what about ebay puchases from individual sellers?

Cain's plan wouldn't include a sales tax on used goods.

>> And what about cash services? What about services in general?

This is what's been giving me shivers for years. Do you know how many transactions are not taxed right now? Most unprepared food, of course, at least in my state. Fuel oil has a special (lower) sales tax, too. But then there's stuff like rent. An interest payment is also a fee-for-service transaction. Imagine if people had to pay a sales tax on the interest portions of their credit card bills or their mortgages. There's really nothing stopping the government from making it so they can tax those right now.

My worry is that every dollar I'm spending becomes a buck-nine, with or without Herman Cain.

375 they are insensitive to "native Americans," who of course are no more "native" than anyone else born here, and would not be "American" AT ALL if it were not for Columbus...

Logical thinking is not the strong suit of liberals. Neither is consistency.

376 >>Posted by: David, infamous sockpuppet at October 15, 2011 07:12 PM

Sorry, I don't get the Cain love.  He's in the race to help Romney (and sell his book).  I don't trust him. 

More analysis of Cain's 9-9-9 plan.  For a family of four with an income of just under $50,000 the Cain plan...
"...amounts to a total 9-9-9 tax bill for the family of $11,000: $4,500 in income tax and $6,500 in consumption taxes. ThatÂ’s an increase of $2,660 over todayÂ’s tax code, or a relative increase of 32 percent."

ABC also ran a story saying the family would pay more, but they came up with different specific numbers. 

That's one thing that really contributes to me not being excited by these tax schemes: no one ever seems to agree on the numbers.

I just want a candidate to reduce the size and reach of the federal government.  Rick Perry is clearly the best candidate to achieve that goal.

377 haha touche

378

Their opinions are very much formed by sound bites and news clips.

Wow, are they ever. A relative told me about how Warren Buffett pays a lower tax rate than his secretary, who's in the 30% tax bracket. I mean, poor Warren Buffett's secretary, right?

This relative never stopped to consider that Warren Buffett's secretary is in the 30% tax bracket!

379 393 Really, lately can he do no wrong? Oh, hi! Posted by: Electrified Fence at October 15, 2011 07:23 PM (AtIrT) Hello!

380 ill take a pile of shit over romney

381 387 Does Rush tell you who this establishment is?

Posted by: lowandslow at October 15, 2011 07:18 PM (GZitp)

ain't all that hard to figure out who it is.

382 More analysis of Cain's 9-9-9 plan. For a family of four with an income of just under $50,000 the Cain plan...
"...amounts to a total 9-9-9 tax bill for the family of $11,000: $4,500 in income tax and $6,500 in consumption taxes. ThatÂ’s an increase of $2,660 over todayÂ’s tax code, or a relative increase of 32 percent."

Posted by: Y-not at October 15, 2011 07:25 PM (5H6zj)

And why is this touted as a good thing again?   I thought higher taxes in this economy would be a death blow

383 389 Hasn't the media bragged that they are good for 15 points?  Yes, some people are very pliable.  There's a large segment of the population who do not follow politics as closely as we do here.  Their opinions are very much formed by sound bites and news clips.  These are the people the media are going for.  Also, the bandwagon effect is also a jedi mind trick that can be very powerful.

Whose fault is that?

384 It is even worse for lower incomes.

385 I promise to vote for Rick if agrees to keep Weeping Anita in a lockbox until 2020.

386 I get it, but the PRESS doesn't! Instead they run with the swooning stories about how he sang the song at the rally, because the power went out.

387 because the power went out.

Posted by: poljunkie at October 15, 2011 07:30 PM (XuiJf)

I hate it when that happens

388 And why is this touted as a good thing again?

It's not being touted as a good thing by everyone, including the author of that analysis. 

Cain's camp seems to be unwilling to address specifics about tax burdens.  What I've read is that when these sorts of scenarios are presented, they wave their hands about "assumptions" and refuse to answer. 

Most of the analyses I've read suggest that middle class will shoulder the biggest burden under his plan.

Moreover, I'm with a moron from these parts who a week or so ago pointed out that all Cain is doing is finding a new way to feed the beast.  I don't want to feed the beast.  I want someone to start cutting, which is clearly something Perry would do. 

389

Sorry, but I have to quibble with that assessment. 3/4 of Rush's show is a commercial of some sort.............

Just like most of radio.

390 Taxing corporations on gross income is STUPID. A company already losing money because of Obama's recession would NOW lose the cost of depreciation, research and development, etc., AND 9 percent of its gross revenue. This is insane. And it's incredibly naive to believe that the income tax would ever be abolished, and that 9,9,9 wouldn't become 20, 20, 20.

391 Posted by: The electric fence you are pretty funny!

392 To paraphrase the great Thomas Sowell:

There is nothing Mitt Romney can say or do that will convince me to vote for him.

Only Barack Obama can convince me to vote for Mitt Romney.

393 >>404 It is even worse for lower incomes

Yes, although my impression is that the bulk of the net revenue is coming from the middle income folks, even if the lower income people wind up experiencing a big increase in tax payments percentage-wise.

I also don't think this is the time to be pushing the "skin in the game" argument.  To say during the economic nightmare we're in right now that it's vital that low income people pay more taxes while presenting a plan that reducing taxes for the wealthy seems like a bone-headed move.  I would not be eager to have that be the GOP message for 2012. 

394

Which is why it is dull....................

Then, just turn it off. TV is no different, by the way.

395 Obama is a brilliant speaker and has the only sensible energy plan.

And I'm not a liberal.  How many times to I have to tell you?

396 I don't think windmills, solar, and skittles shitting unicorns is a plan, even for a SCoaMF with a 70 IQ.

397 Also, I do not trust a guy (Cain) who won't tell us who his economic advisors are, particularly when the reason he gives for that is he's helping them protect their business interests.  WTF does that mean?  Talk about appearances of "crony capitalism."

398 419I don't think windmills, solar, and skittles shitting unicorns is a plan, even for a SCoaMF with a 70 IQ.

Posted by: FlaviusJulius at October 15, 2011 07:38 PM (ieDPL)

Hope must qualify for plan...right? RIGHT?!!

399

Already have. But please......don't let my slight critique interfer with your unending man crush on Rush Limbaugh.

Don't have a man crush on him. Just trying to help you with your perceived problem. You're welcome.

400

That's one thing that really contributes to me not being excited by these tax schemes: no one ever seems to agree on the numbers.

That's why I take out a calculator. Say something is priced at $100. A consumer has to come up with $108 because of 8% sales tax (assuming here for the sake of the example). What do people have to earn before taxes to get that after-tax $108?

0% tax bracket: $108
10%: $120.00
15%: $127.06
25%: $144.00

If a federal sales tax of 9% is added alongside the state's 8% tax, you'll need $117 to buy the same $100 item. If everyone's in the 9% tax bracket, anyone would need to earn $128.57 to pay for it.

That's enough to put the kabosh on his plan, I think.

Of course, these calculations don't consider the increased speding patterns of richer people and decreased spending from poorer people, or that the sharply reduced corporate tax will ebnefit everybody. That's all what's behind Cain's plan, I assume, but the numbers will scare too many people away from it.

(I'm a non-practicing journalism graduate, and I figured this out easily enough. For a practicing journalist to discover this, he'd have to sift through 400-plus comments on a blog.)

401 Y-not is in Love! Just don't go Ann Coulter with him, OK, Y-not? But yeah, aside from the fact Rick has been doing such an awful job with his campaign so far... if only he could get his act together, he'd be the one.

402

383 If Perry or Cain lose (especially Perry) it's not just because of them. It's because a wide assortment of pundits, establishment types, MSM people and various hacks will have done absolutely everything under the sun to discredit, shut out and discredit them.

Hannity said on his radio show the other day that his choice was Cain first, Romney second, Bachmann third, and Newt fourth (or Newt third and Bachmann fourth).  This was after a caller said she knew who Hannity was voting for.  She said he was voting for Romney, then Hannity rattled off his choices.

Not that I'm surprised.  Hannity has had a hard on for Cain for a long, long time.  He's had Mitt on quite a bit and just drools over him like they're best buds.  Yesterday he was obligated to talk about Perry's new energy/jobs policy and who did he have on to discuss it?  Some Romney backer and Kirsten Powers.  After the obligatory two second discussion of the plan, Sean slipped in (as he always does) Perry's stance on illegal immigrant/tuition and his polling numbers and what this means to Perry's campaign and let the Romney backer slam Perry for a few minutes, then he quickly turned the conversation to HERMAN CAIN'S 999 PLAN!! and how the left wingers are being really, really racisit towards Cain, yak, yak, yak.  I did send him an email telling him that he should just put up his ROMNEY/CAIN banner and be done with it.  No more toturing himself to try to appear "fair and balanced" and all that rot.

Even Mark Levine is starting to bug me.  After the debate where Rick Santorum went after Perry on the fence issue, Levine praised Bachmann and Santorum on their outstanding performances.  True conservatives he called them.  Pathetic.

Don't even get me started on Ann Coulter.  So it's dwindled down to Rush, the only real conservative left, IMO.  And Greta.  She hasn't done anything yet ... but it could happen.

403 It's going to be such an awesomely awesome fun 13 months

404

(I'm a non-practicing journalism graduate, and I figured this out easily enough. For a practicing journalist to discover this, he'd have to sift through 400-plus comments on a blog.)

Posted by: FireHorse at October 15, 2011 07:41 PM (acNQ2)

I learned somethin from it!

405 Sean Hannity's retarded, right? Or OCD - but like the retarded version of OCD?
 
*make my memorized talking point ---> check my finger off*
*make my memorized talking point ---> check my finger off*
*make my memorized talking point ---> check my finger off*

406

>> Last point is that Dave seems to lump in the Obama-Chu costs of the first two bones, finding alternatives & 'addressing' AGW

When I want your opinion I'll write it on my cock and shove it up your ass.

 

AGW... sheesh.

407

And it's incredibly naive to believe that the income tax would ever be abolished, and that 9,9,9 wouldn't become 20, 20, 20.

Yeah... instead of a transitory period where they have both an income tax and a sales tax, how about a transitory period where they have neither?

408

I get it...you can't think without him. No problem.

Don't ever let a strawman go to waste.

409 THIS is what Perry should have started his campaign with.

410 AGW? Break please.

411 Oh and I denounce myself for not being a Greeeeeeeeeeeat American!!!1!1!!!

412 Also, I do not trust a guy (Cain) who won't tell us who his economic advisors are, particularly when the reason he gives for that is he's helping them protect their business interests.  WTF does that mean?  Talk about appearances of "crony capitalism."

I take your point but I wouldn't trust SCOAMF not to go after Cain's advisors, or atleast threaten them.

413 Rush does a great show. Romney was a miserable failure as Governor of  Massoftwoshits. Fuck that lefty douchebag.

414

Hannity was on freakin' fire back in 2004.

Lately, not so much.

415

What is next on the come back list.......fuck you?

Rough crowd in here today.

Oh, and right back at you, chickenshit mother fucker dipshit.

416 I have mentioned this before but it hasn't been talked about as far as I know. The 999 plan is said to be revenue neutral. This is a huge problem. We have a spending problem. A huge, bloated, federal government that is addicted to spending and wants more. There is no spending cuts in this plan that I know of. This is feeding and continuing what we do not want. What is Herb's plan to reduce government?

417 Just don't go Ann Coulter with him, OK, Y-not?

I won't!  I just think the rest of them are so much less impressive, but I go by record more than anything else. 

418

What is next on the come back list.......fuck you?

Your father's moustache!

419 How did the Kos kids get in here?

420

Governor Mitt Romney today announced that Massachusetts will take another major step in meeting its commitment to protecting air quality when strict state limitations on carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from power plants take effect on January 1, 2006. Â…

Massachusetts is the first and only state to set CO2 emissions limits on power plants.

---

GOP, time to decide what you are.

421 It will make more sense when they raise your takes another 66% comrade. We are taking in about 60% of what we spend.

422

Oh, and right back at you, chickenshit mother fucker dipshit.

Your mother wears army shoes!

423

However, if Paul Ryan, Arthur Laffer and the Club for Growth can get behind 9-9-9, I really don't see how, in good faith, others can say that it is not a serious plan for dealing with our budget issues.

Why don't you go and read what they actually said instead of just taking the media's convenient interpretation as support for Cain?  They offered their opinion on the plan, they didn't jack-off on it and scream CAIN when they came, for God's sake.  Paul Ryan said he liked that it was a bold plan and that it started a conversation about changing the current system.  Just because people you like and respect like something, don't bet the whole hog on their opinion.  Check it out for yourself.  Oh, and it's okay to disagree with these people, too.  They aren't any better than you are, remember that.

424 I take your point but I wouldn't trust SCOAMF not to go after Cain's advisors, or atleast threaten them

That's what public life is all about, like it or not.  Cain (and apparently his circle) thinks like a private sector guy.  He puts his interests first.  At some point you have to take the plunge and open yourself to the scrutiny that comes with public service. 

425 Hannity may not be the brightest bulb, but he's light years ahead of such lefty luminaries as Schultz, Matthews, and Sharpton.....

426 If you eat with a hobo instead of eating the hobo you might be a fleabagger.

427 If Obama is not a big enough of a douche for you there is always Romney. That would make a great campaign slogan.

428 Don't ask don't tell.

429 I won't! I just think the rest of them are so much less impressive, but I go by record more than anything else. Posted by: Y-not at October 15, 2011 07:51 PM (5H6zj) The more I find out about Romney's healthcare, Global Warming, and Energy policies... the more nervous I get about him.

430 458 If Obama is not a big enough of a douche for you there is always Romney

Whenever I have that "not so fresh feeling," I vote for Mitt Romney. 

431 Romney probably believes in Bigfoot also.

432

She looks good in those army shoes!

I'll bet!

(But you know, with the advent of the Internet and readily available pictures of IDF babes, this one doesn't cut it as an insult any more: http://tinyurl.com/3wyzo9x)

433 The more I find out about Romney's healthcare, Global Warming, and Energy policies... the more nervous I get about him.

You haven't even heard the worst of it....

This creeps me out with every fiber of my being.

434 Posted by: CoolCzech at October 15, 2011 07:58 PM

Yep.  It will be really hard to vote for him if it comes down to that.  And I know I'll have to physically drag my husband to the polls if Romney is the nominee.  He's never thought Romney was electable. 

I've decided that I'm voting for the person I want in the primary.  If there were two very good candidates, I'd pick the one with the best shot at defeating Romney, but there just aren't any other candidates that come close to Perry in my book.  So I'm going with Rick to the bitter end.

The only thing that would change my mind is if Ryan jumped into the race, but I don't think there's any chance of that happening. 

435 douche-y creepy campaign ad sock off!

436 Here's a bit of fun - tell your story to the world.
We Are the 99 Percent - Get Known

437 For me, on this post, the crunchiness of the Romulans balances the bold flavors of the Perrykrishnas. I'm delighted that there was little Paul flavor detected but the slight sour of the C4P injection foiled the dish for me. Akin to topping fois gras with Kraft BBQ. Shit, my Ramen is boiling over... Brb.

438 Let's take a moment to reestablish that we are all on the same side.

Things we have in common:

A distaste of disgust with:

Michael Moore
Rosie O'Donnell
Sean Penn
"Occupy" anything/anywhere
Freeloaders
the entitlement mentality
AGW and those who perpetrate the lies
Al Gore
The Obamas
"new and improved" George Lucas films

See? We are on the same side here folks.

439 I once told a lie this big.

440
occupy my pants baby!!

441 See? We are on the same side here folks

There is nothing wrong with disagreeing strongly 13 months before the general election or even 5 months before the election.  If Romney, Cain, and Bachmann had stuck with substantive criticisms of Perry, I would not have written them off.  But each one succumbed to the temptation to smear him in ways that either damage the conservative movement (Cain, Romney) or damage Perry as governor of Texas (Bachmann).  That's going to be hard to forgive. 

I don't think Cain is qualified to be president.  Moreover, I don't think he has the temperament to be president.  Neither does Bachmann. 

I think Romney is qualified, but he has a Nixonian streak in him a mile wide.  And I do not think he's any more electable than Perry is going into the general. 

442 I get what you are saying but I there is a lot of frustration with the conservative base in choosing our candidate. It is actually a farce on so many levels. The MSM, the establishment, the tinkering with primary dates, etc... are all trying to choose the candidate for us. The government is of the people, by the people, and for the people. But the people are being left out. This choosing of our candidate is being shoved down our throat just like Obama/Romneycare was. If the republican party wants power it better listen to its people. And yeah, I know you know all this but I feel better for writing it. Posted by: macintx
...........
I really really understand the frustration.. I share it.  But, I am pragmatic first.  To me, there is nothing more important than O's defeat.  His winning another 4 years would be disastrous to this country.

I don't understand the fatalistic attitude you have..  nothing is settled yet.  Romney has 29% steady in polls.  If we want Perry, let's work for him.  Have you volunteered for GOTV efforts for Perry?  Phone banks?

It ain't over til it's over..

But whoever is the GOP candidate, I will vote for. no matter what.

443

Here's a bit of fun - tell your story to the world.

Hehehhehe.

"I am an unemployed barrista who got fired from starbucks because I refused to serve cow milk to customers (I am a vegan). They fired me despite being my filing for concientious observer/refugee status. My dog Pickles got bit by a squirrel and he got rabies but I couldn't afford to pay the vet, so I took him home but he bit me and now I have rabies, but I don't have health insurance and my grandma says she can't afford to help me because Rick Parry is going to steal her social security! HALP ME BARRAK OBAMAH!"

444 I heard a Tx radio host talk about Perry's performances in debates this past week. He has lost each and every debate he has been in (in Tx) but has won each and every election he has run for in Texas. He loses all debates but wins in the arena of ideas. May substance win over appearance! Not sure if he has enough time but I guess we shall soon find out.

445

See? We are on the same side here folks.

That would imply there are only 2 sides.

That would make you of a mind with:

Lindsay Graham.

Trent Lott.

Olympia Snow.

Georgie Voinovitch.

The Alaskan mafia.

Jon Huntsman.

446 Shit, my Ramen is boiling over... Brb.

I started buying ramen from the Asian foods section and never ever looked back at the stuff in the soup aisle again. It costs only pennies more but the taste is worth so much more, especially if you like spicy noodles.

Two of the best are Shin Ramyun from Korea and MaMa from Thailand. The MaMa are even good dry because they are flavored with chicken.

447 "Royal Navy Ship Ordered To Not Aim Missiles At Michelle Obama's Hotel Room In South Africa."

Why don't they just aim a heat-seeker at her ass -- they can't miss.

448

If any Republican stays home because they don't like the nominee, twenty years from now when you have some of Obama's atrocious SCOTUS picks still on the bench laying waste to the Constituion.......

You might just start to rethink think that decision you made.

449

Case in point:

Things we have in common:

A distaste of disgust with:

AGW and those who perpetrate the lies

I do not have that in common with Mitt Romney.

Unless by 'in common', you mean he's one of the disgusting perpetrators.

Although at this point, I do darkly think republicans are going to nominate him.

It's his turn dude.

450 Two of the best are Shin Ramyun from Korea and MaMa from Thailand. The MaMa are even good dry because they are flavored with chicken. Posted by: As If! at October 15, 2011 08:21 PM (piMMO) Love Shin Ramyun.

451

Hannity was on freakin' fire back in 2004.

Lately, not so much.

 

I wish he'd give the "read off a check list" style of debate a rest.

452 u wingnut h8erz know nuthin about energy lololol

its alot faster to build a windmill than to get oil from the sea

boy ur stupid!



is that taco salad i smell?

453 If any Republican stays home because they don't like the nominee, twenty years from now when you have some of Obama's atrocious SCOTUS picks still on the bench laying waste to the Constituion.......

Let's just hope Mittens doesn't implement Holdren's notions on population control.

454 I get it, Entropy.

You're just looking to fight and it doesn't matter who with.

455 One man's Mede is another man's Persian.

456 Posted by: The Ghost of Kim Novak at October 15, 2011 07:42 PM (8DdAv)

Since when did I become a ghost?

457 #480 That's why the guy everyone wants never gets the nomination. Because the power brokers that make the real choice as to who gets the nod know you will dutifully vote for whatever slimeball they throw at you because they figure they have you over a barrel -- and they do! If you vote for a guy that "believes" in AGW you will get exactly that. A tax and spend idiot. Kinda like Obama?

458 If you vote for a guy that "believes" in AGW you will get exactly that. A tax and spend idiot. Kinda like Obama?

Posted by: TrueNorthist at October 15, 2011 08:35 PM (RQtDB)

You will vote for me and take your sterility pills, dammit!

459 #480, better make sure you vote for a conservative, then.  And not Romney.

460 OT - Sorry G20, the only being that can solve the Euro debt crisis in this amount of time is God, and you guys aren't going to like the manner in which He solves this problem.

G20 tells euro zone to fix debt crisis in eight days

461 492 #480, better make sure you vote for a conservative, then.  And not Romney.

 

So the assumption here is that Romney would select a bunch of David Souter's to the court, right?

Why do you think Robert Bork has endorsed Romney for President twice?  Why do you think Bork is on Romney's legal advisory team for this campaign.

Is Robert Bork naive?  Or I guess maybe he's just a RINO.

 

462 Shit, my Ramen is boiling over... Brb.

Posted by: Random Self-Important Food TV Host at October 15, 2011 08:04 PM (WkdU9)

Does that mean you're happy?

463

That's why the guy everyone wants never gets the nomination.

There is no guy in the primaries who everybody does or does not want.  They are all flawed.

I'm looking for someone who has a conservative platform, is articulate, has a firm grasp of domestic and foreign policy, and last but not least.....is electible.

Not to mention what is key here is that the Congress (knock on wood) will likely be Republican at the start of the next Presidential term.  I don't really see anything to suggest that Romney will fight the Congress tooth and nail to implement a liberal agenda.

 

464 How many of Obama's former girlfriends think he deserves a second term as president?

465

Is Robert Bork naive?  Or I guess maybe he's just a RINO.

Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 15, 2011 08:41 PM (0DGtF)

I guess Robert Bork is cool with the notion of sterilizing poor people.

466 This post reeks as bad as UT's quarterbacks.

467 500

468 This post reeks as bad as UT's quarterbacks.

Posted by: Dr Spank at October 15, 2011 08:50 PM (Sh42X)

Nothing wrong with our QBs (other than Bray being out). Its our running game and defense that needs work.

469 G20 tells euro zone to fix debt crisis in eight days Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 15, 2011 08:38 PM (KBdSF) BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Those jokers at the G20.

470 BTW, WTF is the "G20"? First it becomes the G-8 because we have to pretend Russia is a democracy, and that economically Russia matters. Now we have to pretend freaking Swaziland matters?

471 I don't really see anything to suggest that Romney will fight the Congress tooth and nail to implement a liberal agenda. Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 15, 2011 08:49 PM (0DGtF) Aside from his record as Governor of Massachusetts, you mean?? I certainly don't see anything that convinces me he'd spend one thin dime of political capital to undo Obama's liberal agenda.

472 474 I get what you are saying but I there is a lot of frustration with the conservative base in choosing our candidate. It is actually a farce on so many levels. The MSM, the establishment, the tinkering with primary dates, etc... are all trying to choose the candidate for us. The government is of the people, by the people, and for the people. But the people are being left out. This choosing of our candidate is being shoved down our throat just like Obama/Romneycare was. If the republican party wants power it better listen to its people. And yeah, I know you know all this but I feel better for writing it. Posted by: macintx ........... I really really understand the frustration.. I share it. But, I am pragmatic first. To me, there is nothing more important than O's defeat. His winning another 4 years would be disastrous to this country. I don't understand the fatalistic attitude you have.. nothing is settled yet. Romney has 29% steady in polls. If we want Perry, let's work for him. Have you volunteered for GOTV efforts for Perry? Phone banks? It ain't over til it's over.. But whoever is the GOP candidate, I will vote for. no matter what. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry Thanks for responding. I am in agreement with you for the most part. But I refuse to have someone tell me who to vote for in the primaries. The establishment needs to learn to leave this alone. We are their power. I have not yet volunteered but hope to soon. I am helping to take care of elderly parent who has Alzheimer's. If you have dealt with this you know that it is overwhelming, even with help. It is a horrible disease. You are right, we are in this together. I willingly listen to what you say. I just don't want anyone forcing me to vote for a specific candidate in the PRIMARIES. I want to vote for my candidate. May all of us be united and may our country be stronger after the '12 elections.

473 I didn't mean to say blacks are brainwashed. I meant to say many haven't washed at all in days.

474

Hannity said on his radio show the other day that his choice was Cain first

the same Sean Hannity who in February 2008 was pimping Mitt Romney?

that Sean Hannity?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 15, 2011 07:43 PM (OWjjx)

Absofuckinlutely.  One foot in each camp.  And he's surprised that he can't get Perry on his TV show?

475 "Other than that it's awful, and Perry stutters in debates." And I'll bet he hires illegal Meskin college students to work on the oil rigs, too!

476 "...the same Sean Hannity who in February 2008 was pimping Mitt Romney?" In fairness to Hannity, if we had bought our 30 minutes with Hannity's ho, it would have spared us Senator Maverick yelling at the Republican old woman she had no right to fear the Obamunist...

477  I don't really see anything to suggest that Romney will fight the Congress tooth and nail to implement a liberal agenda.

 It's the same congress. Romney will work with the leadership, not the tea party freshmen.

These are half of the jackasses who have gotten us into this problem.

You're mileage may vary, but as I am not a republican, that shit is not good enough. The goobers who ran the goverment 2002-2008 are exceeded in their unprecedented ruinous spending only by the democrats that followed them.

Romney will not fight Congress and that is the problem. He will lead it down the path of Big Government Conservatism hand in hand with democrats. He will save government programs, not eliminate them.

478

Aside from his record as Governor of Massachusetts, you mean??

I certainly don't see anything that convinces me he'd spend one thin dime of political capital to undo Obama's liberal agenda.

 

Romney vetoed about 1,000 bills passed by the Mass legislature in four years.  I don't understand why he would persistently oppose them like that if he is supposed to be so beholden to a liberal philosophy.

479 "Aside from his record as Governor of Massachusetts, you mean?? I certainly don't see anything that convinces me he'd spend one thin dime of political capital to undo Obama's liberal agenda." I don't understand why he would persistently oppose them like that if he is supposed to be so beholden to a liberal philosophy. Posted by: Reggie1971 at October 15, 2011 09:04 PM (0DGtF) http://tinyurl.com/3k3whwc

480 Look, Romney is not my first choice....right now I'm leaning Perry, can tolerate Cain.
Again, looking at Romney's record, he gives me pause. But I see nothing that suggests that he will be a GOP version of Obama....... And if the Tea Party can't get a solid conservative President, then they need to focus on electing some more conservatives to Congress. It would be much harder for Romney to go rogue if Congress gives him conservative legislation to sign. Wishcasting, I'm sure......but we simply cannot afford 4 more years of....of....this.

481

http://tinyurl.com/3k3whwc

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 15, 2011 09:06 PM (niZvt)

Link doesn't work.

482 Let's try that Romney link again: http://tinyurl.com/3k6agdj

483 5 hour old thread
anybody home?

484 OK, I checked and that link I just posted DOES work. It makes for grim reading: it seems we are finding out that more and more of Obama's agenda simply follows in the footsteps of what Romney did in Massachusetts.

485 517 5 hour old thread anybody home? Posted by: Dastardly Dan at October 15, 2011 09:13 PM (56hk3) Hey, give Ace time to enjoy his sushi, will ya? Hiring a hooker as a serving tray gets pricey...

486 This web site is my breathing in, really fantastic pattern and perfect subject matter.

487 Did anybody else see that video of Romney, when governor, standing in front of  some Mass. coal plant, screaming that he won't let the emissions kill people anymore?  And that he'd close the coal plant(s) before he'd let people die anymore (paraphrasing here, but damn close).  Holdren was standing right behind him.  Can't remember where I saw it but I think it was last week.

488

Perry thinks your 12 year old daughter is a cheap date that needs a STD innoculation. Another Big Government nanny state RINO.

Fuck him and the horse he rode in on. That said, he's a damn sight better choice than The Kenyan.

489 Thank you for the good writeup. It in fact was a amusement account it. Look advanced to more added agreeable from you! However, how could we communicate?

490 MOTHERFUCKINRANGERS

491 Thanks for sharing, please keep an update about this info. love to read it more. i like this site too much.

492 So, I see Charlies Angels got canceled.

493 513-the bad lip reading is hilarious. I admit to being a bit nervous about Romney, but dang, if he wins the nomination, I will vote for him, just like I voted for McCain. I just can't take another four years of this mess.

494 At this point, I'd rather have Perry go around and give world leaders a swift kick in the ass (and maybe a noogie) than Urkel McPutt-Putt's incessant whining and groveling.

495 527 So, I see Charlies Angels got canceled.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 15, 2011 09:26 PM (GZitp)

Very tragic news. Where were you when you heard about the cancellation? 

Next up: Chuckies Demons

496 Rangers got the Tigers by the tail.

497 Memphis Beat got canceled to.

498

Is this supposed to be reassuring?

 

http://tinyurl.com/3os5ndn

499 Excellent blog, thanks for the share. I'll be a regular viewer.

500 email is an integral part of 21 century.

501

Posted by: The Ghost of Kim Novak at October 15, 2011 09:18 PM (8DdAv)

It's Perry' video "Carbon Copies" and it's not Holdren behind Mittens but another enviro looney name Foy.  Perry should have questioned Mitty on this at the debate.  Found it on foxnews.com.

502 "115 I haven't got time to read all the comments. So, I assume that someone has pointed out that everybody here called Perry's "plan" bullshit when it was Gov. Palin's POLICY. " Oh, yeah? Well, Palin bought a quart of milk once from a government-run dairy so she's TAINTED!

503 Big surprise, CNN is politically bigoted against anything Conservatives promote as being stupid and something only idiots would follow.  CNN basically has taken the racial bigotry of decades ago and repackaged it as 'political bigotry' against conservatives.   It goes something like 'Conservatives are stupid lugs who can't do a thing right', ...  

Political bigotry is even sold to blacks, who ought to know better, as an acceptable form of bigotry to get back at the conservative whitey.  Which also explains why blacks who follow this creed are so upset with the rise of black conservatives who might expose this bigoted charade for what it is -- repackaged racial bigotry. 

504

PerryÂ’s energy plan will expand energy exploration and production on federal lands in areas such as Alaska and the Mountain West, along with permitting more offshore drilling in the Gulf and AtlanticÂ…Â…Â…Â…..this is all the Perry big Oil company friends wants, they want to drill for more profit, once they get what they want jobs will be no where found.

Yet you idiots want to falsely claim that the stimulus was a failure yet is created jobs in various states!

SCOAMF - an acronym for President Obama popularized by child molesters and racist liars who don't want a black president to succeed in fixing the country they messed up!

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