November 16, 2011
— Ace A few months ago I suggested that a pollster begin polling America's support for the "progressive wing of the Democratic Party."
The reason I wanted this polled is that the media kept reporting the Tea Party was somewhat underwater in terms of support, and they would compare their support to the Democratic Party and Obama, for example.
But that's apples and oranges. The Tea Party is the right wing of the right wing, and furthermore, it actually wants to do something, and doing something is almost always controversial. America generally prefers the status quo, combined with a slow fall into soft socialism. Any deviation from this default is by nature going to be less popular. And comparing the Tea Party to Obama was silly -- Obama lies in order to get independent votes, while the Tea Party, being about actual political ideas, tells the independents harsh truths.
So the Tea Party's numbers were meaningless. In order to say if the right wing of the right wing was faring better or worse than it could, we needed context -- like, how would the left wing of the left wing poll?
Well, I'm finally getting that poll.
The Occupy Wall Street movement is not wearing well with voters across the country. Only 33% now say that they are supportive of its goals, compared to 45% who say they oppose them. That represents an 11 point shift in the wrong direction for the movement's support compared to a month ago when 35% of voters said they supported it and 36% were opposed. Most notably independents have gone from supporting Occupy Wall Street's goals 39/34, to opposing them 34/42.Voters don't care for the Tea Party either, with 42% saying they support its goals to 45% opposed. But asked whether they have a higher opinion of the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street movement the Tea Party wins out 43-37, representing a flip from last month when Occupy Wall Street won out 40-37 on that question. Again the movement with independents is notable- from preferring Occupy Wall Street 43-34, to siding with the Tea Party 44-40.
I had thought the Tea Party was polling worse than that. It could be that Occupy has actually pushed support back to the Tea Party, after showing America what the Tea Party's opposition consists of, the path we'll go down if we don't select a more Tea Party politics.
PPP is biased to say "America doesn't care for the Tea Party, either." Given that the Tea Party is pushing the strongest fiscal medicine this country has ever been urged to take -- they are pushing ideas that were far outside the Overton Window just two years ago -- to have polling split in a tie 42-45 is... good. And PPP knows it. If a leftwing group were pushing full-blown socialism (as the Tea Party is pushing something close to full-blown 1920's laissez-faire economic libertarianism), do you think PPP would think a 42-45 split for such a controversial, full-on ideological shift was bad for socialists?
No, they'd say it's pretty amazing, marking a profound shift in American thought, and they'd be right.
They'd also be doing backflips of joy, but that's a separate issue.
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Posted by: Y-not at November 16, 2011 08:28 AM (5H6zj)
Russell Simmons showed up in Boston yesterday. (The first thing he said to the crowd was it is not necessary to be his microphone.)
Simmons is pushing a bill in Congress that would socialize the funding of elections.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 16, 2011 08:30 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Elvis Presley at November 16, 2011 08:30 AM (e8kgV)
Posted by: Occupy Sewage Dept. at November 16, 2011 08:32 AM (FcR7P)
[A]s the Tea Party is pushing something close to full-blown 1920's laissez-faire economic libertarianism...
I don't believe that is entirely accurate. The Tea Party is concerned with the size of government and out of control government spending. But I doubt very much you could get a majority of self described Tea Partiers to agree to total deregulation of the markets.
Posted by: NotCoach at November 16, 2011 08:33 AM (Whvb9)
Raping, shitting, and assaulting will do that for you.
Posted by: EC at November 16, 2011 08:33 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: DarkLord, under his desk wearing a helmet today at November 16, 2011 08:34 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: CAC at November 16, 2011 08:34 AM (JEVge)
IOW, the Fleabaggers have captured the support of...the Democrat base.
Voters don't care for the Tea Party either, with 42% saying they support its goals to 45% opposed
IOW, the Tea Party is reaching beyond the GOP base.
Posted by: nickless, back with the banned (99.174.64.43) at November 16, 2011 08:34 AM (cBVAS)
Posted by: 0bama, Scat and Poop Fan at November 16, 2011 08:35 AM (Qycz7)
We need to put a dollar figure on these protests.
Taxpayers ought to know what they're financing.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 16, 2011 08:35 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: dagny at November 16, 2011 08:35 AM (/EyLO)
Posted by: Ringworm, Lice and Droopsy at November 16, 2011 08:36 AM (Sh42X)
Obama's numbers are in the shitter here in OH. He's at 50% disapproval (40% of that being strongly disapprove)
Posted by: laceyunderalls - no nickless - no peace! at November 16, 2011 08:36 AM (6Euvq)
Posted by: CAC at November 16, 2011 08:36 AM (JEVge)
Posted by: kathysaysso at November 16, 2011 08:37 AM (ZtwUX)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 16, 2011 08:37 AM (+lsX1)
Look up "blumpkin". It could be done.
Posted by: EC at November 16, 2011 08:38 AM (GQ8sn)
Isn't that a redundant statement?
Posted by: DarkLord, under his desk wearing a helmet today at November 16, 2011 08:38 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: dagny at November 16, 2011 08:38 AM (/EyLO)
According to Ace and Chris Mathews, if the Tea Party takes over airlines will use duct tape to attach the wings to planes instead of bolts.
Posted by: jwest at November 16, 2011 08:38 AM (qeYI9)
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 16, 2011 12:31 PM (sqkOB)
I'd kill for $3.50 gas.
Posted by: Tami at November 16, 2011 08:39 AM (X6akg)
Dozens of hypdermic needles found in the clean-up of Zuccotti Park
Posted by: laceyunderalls - no nickless - no peace! at November 16, 2011 08:40 AM (6Euvq)
btw, some good ol' fashioned scaremongering about the looming Obamacare impact on people's lives would be nice.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 16, 2011 08:40 AM (sqkOB)
I know you're being sarcastic, but I'd say women shouldn't have to worry about getting hippie dicks stuffed into their vaginas when they protest.
Posted by: EC at November 16, 2011 08:40 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: AndrewsDad at November 16, 2011 08:40 AM (C2//T)
Posted by: joncelli, breathing mechanically at November 16, 2011 08:42 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Dave at November 16, 2011 08:42 AM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at November 16, 2011 08:43 AM (AZGON)
If taking money from a paycheck to support Auntie Zetuni and "betting" on Solyndra is a right-wing issue...
Anyone who hates that kinda shit is a member of the Tea Party whether they realize it or not.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 16, 2011 08:43 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Ms Choksondik, future concubine of Andrew Breitbart at November 16, 2011 08:44 AM (fYOZx)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at November 16, 2011 08:44 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: WalrusRex at November 16, 2011 08:44 AM (Hx5uv)
Posted by: CAC at November 16, 2011 08:45 AM (JEVge)
Posted by: ace at November 16, 2011 08:45 AM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Dave at November 16, 2011 08:45 AM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at November 16, 2011 08:46 AM (0M3AQ)
Posted by: EC at November 16, 2011 12:38 PM (GQ8sn)
just do anal, eventually you will get shit on your dick
Posted by: The Dude at November 16, 2011 08:46 AM (M8yfa)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at November 16, 2011 08:47 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: EC at November 16, 2011 12:38 PM (GQ8sn)
Is that physically possible? I'd think it would be difficult to keep at... er... attention.
Posted by: Ms Choksondik, future concubine of Andrew Breitbart at November 16, 2011 08:49 AM (fYOZx)
***
Lady Hoggers premiers tonight on A&E
I thought the ridiculous TV reality fad of following hillbillies around while killing crocs, handfishing, and chasing pigs was silly.
Not anymore. These ladies bring the T and A to A&E (and I mean T&A. Like Hendricks' level, with the added bonus of running and bouncing around "chasing hogs").
You can thank me later. Thanks CAC. I have been looking for some ladies that can handle my hog.
Posted by: Sub-Tard at November 16, 2011 08:49 AM (0M3AQ)
Is that physically possible? I'd think it would be difficult to keep at... er... attention.
Posted by: Ms Choksondik, future concubine of Andrew Breitbart at November 16, 2011 12:49 PM (fYOZx)
yes, it's possible. A friend in highschool used to like getting that done to him.
Posted by: The Dude at November 16, 2011 08:51 AM (M8yfa)
My guess is that the tea party is actually better regarded than even that.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 16, 2011 08:51 AM (JYheX)
Yup. Because as we've learned previously, back flips gone wrong can turn you gay.
Posted by: Sgt. York at November 16, 2011 08:51 AM (EIAxq)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 16, 2011 08:51 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Bob Saget at November 16, 2011 08:52 AM (SDkq3)
Posted by: pashmr at November 16, 2011 08:53 AM (3aNC4)
Thanks for the clarification but when I read right wing of the right wing, I start thinking some combination of hard core pro life + 2nd ammendment absolutist + no government regulations + build a fence from San Diego to Gulf of Mexico + a dash of selected Ron Paul crazy. As opposed to the Tea Party whose message can be boiled down to stop wasting my tax dollars on crap the government has no business being involved in and sucks at doing.
May want to run that slogan past a PR firm to clean it up some.
Posted by: AndrewsDad at November 16, 2011 08:53 AM (C2//T)
Not entirely clear on what this means Ace, but the rest of that 3rd paragraph is about the most astute and concise analysis of The Tea Party relative to the rest of America as I've seen anywhere.
Excellent stuff.
Posted by: ontherocks at November 16, 2011 08:54 AM (HBqDo)
I've had friends say 'where are you getting all theses clips?!'. Duh. They're out there if you want to see them.
Uber lefty friends are starting to frame their fb updates by saying things like, "try to listen to our message, not the few fringe photos & videos you see on youtube'. They know, despite the fawning coverage and best spin the MSM tried to put on this "movement" they were losing. And they were losing big.
They had the politicians on their side. Soros' money and the sympathetic spin of the media. And they're still looking at highly unfavorable numbers.
At a certain point people, even people that may be marginally interested in whatever message they had in the beginning are going to say 'enough with the fucking drums already, okay?'
I think OWS has been a true gift for us.
People may not like us -- but they sure as hell like OWS a whole lot less right now.
Posted by: laceyunderalls - no nickless - no peace! at November 16, 2011 08:54 AM (6Euvq)
Except that's not "the people." That's "The Academy." For what the people think about dirty hippies on stage, you'd have to check the People's Choice Awards, and even then you'd have to look at balloting rules (how many times can I vote), total votes cast, and (if possible) total number of voters.
It's not really surprising that dirty hippies approve of other dirty hippies.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 16, 2011 08:55 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: ace is a loser at November 16, 2011 08:56 AM (VPRy5)
The Occupiers screwed up in the main point that they DEMANDED SOCIALISM. NOW.
No one wants that. They called themselves the 99% when they only actually represented about .12% (generous, as there may be a zero needed after the decimal point). Those that saw what they were doing were turned off. No one really liked the hippies of the 60's, now did they.....
In other words, no one likes a dirty, smelly socialist hippie.
Posted by: © Sponge at November 16, 2011 08:56 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: EC at November 16, 2011 08:58 AM (GQ8sn)
Only 33% now say that they are supportive of its goals....
The goals are nebulous at best. How does one support ill-defined delusions?
Posted by: Unruly at November 16, 2011 08:58 AM (LL4jH)
But Intrade has drum circles, patchouli, cholera, ringworms, tuberculosis, drug overdoses, rape, and murder up by 20%!!!!!
Okay, not the usual poll thread, but a guy's gotta take what he can get.
Posted by: In before the troll at November 16, 2011 08:59 AM (G+B5p)
I have yet to see conservative politicians offer a serious solution to the increasingly problematic distribution of wealth in this country.
Of course not, dunce.
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 16, 2011 08:59 AM (sqkOB)
It's shocking and disheartening in a way that the polling is as bad as it is. I mean a comparison of the OWS to the Tea Party and we can't get more than 50%??
Of course the blame goes to the MSM whose coverage is designed to produce just this result, ant the education system that teaches the people being polled.
Posted by: Have Blue at November 16, 2011 08:59 AM (IKTC8)
Posted by: lauren at November 16, 2011 08:59 AM (VKD8C)
Posted by: Millions of Now-Hungry Maggots at November 16, 2011 08:59 AM (FcR7P)
The vast majority of the reason for income inequality is that people who make a lot of money are smart and ambitious and work hard and those who dont make a lot of money spend what they have poorly, on crack and a masters degree in Womyns History, and think spending their time drumming in a park for 12 hours a day for 2 months is a good use of time.
To want to make those two groups have similar income would be rewarding bad behavior.
Posted by: AndrewsDad at November 16, 2011 09:00 AM (C2//T)
Posted by: Dave at November 16, 2011 09:00 AM (Xm1aB)
That's one of those hippie dippy sayings that can GFItself right alongside "social justice".
Yeah, shit's not equal in this world, braintrust.
That's called inequality shitferbrains -- it's called ....life.
Posted by: laceyunderalls - no nickless - no peace! at November 16, 2011 09:00 AM (6Euvq)
@63, I'm THRILLED that we have great income inequality.
North Korea doesn't. They're exactly what the occupiers want--a massive encroaching government keeping everyone equally miserable.
Of course, China has even worse income inequality, but they'd never let a bunch of filthy Chinese hippies occupy their streets. I always laugh at the Occupy Together graphic that conspicuously doesn't include China.
Posted by: Palandine at November 16, 2011 09:00 AM (g7D8V)
I thought they didn't have any "goals" per se? They just wanted to co-opt a public space and go full Bartertown on us.
Posted by: EC at November 16, 2011 09:00 AM (GQ8sn)
Posted by: mik at November 16, 2011 09:00 AM (j1Opf)
The thing is now but especially next year in the prez race is that you will see the pollsters do their attempt at the preference cascade for OdipO. "why almost everyone favors the dems and you should too". And this pravda will have some effect.
Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 16, 2011 09:00 AM (JYheX)
Conservatives don't cotton to picking winners and losers or wealth redistribution.
Are you new to this concept, dunce?
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 16, 2011 09:00 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at November 16, 2011 09:01 AM (0M3AQ)
Frank Zappa once said "Jazz is not dead, it just smells funny."
Socialism is dying, it's always smelled bad. But the politicians and the MSM will get the memo on the centennial of the final interment of the remains, if then...
Posted by: M. Murcek at November 16, 2011 09:01 AM (ToZXn)
Dunce, do you know the best way to do something about income inequality in America?
Get a better job!
Posted by: Soothsayer at November 16, 2011 09:02 AM (sqkOB)
Actually, they're doing absolutely nothing about anything.
A drum circle never fed a hungry child !!!!!111eleventy!
Posted by: nickless, back with the banned (99.174.64.43) at November 16, 2011 09:02 AM (cBVAS)
I know it's a horrible imposition, but perhaps learning a skill or trade and earning a wage would be a good start?
The very idea that I work my ass off to pay taxes into a government run redistribution plan for lazy slacking campers who call me names isn't just incredible, it's going to cause a freaking Civil War.
Here's a question, genius: If wealth distribution takes place in your thoughtless utopia, what's the incentive for ANYONE to work? Why bother when the Govment will dole out my soup and sheckels and I can just go hang in the park?
Posted by: David Frum from inside Herman Cain's closet at November 16, 2011 09:02 AM (pVvkk)
Good point. It's really refreshing to see people willing to step up and form a drum circle in order to address an important problem.
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 16, 2011 09:03 AM (+lsX1)
Posted by: ace is a loser at November 16, 2011 12:56 PM (VPRy5)
Oh really, pea brain.....exactly what are they doing? And why do you think something needs to be done about it at all?
Posted by: Tami at November 16, 2011 09:03 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: ace is a loser at November 16, 2011 12:56 PM (VPRy5)
Envy is ugly. However if you really feel strongly about this, kill yourself and bequeath everything you have to the poor.
Posted by: Ms Choksondik, future concubine of Andrew Breitbart at November 16, 2011 09:04 AM (fYOZx)
a) no they're not, unless you believe in the magic of drum circles, which you may just be dumb enough to
b) only Communists care about "income inequality". Equality of opportunity is all that matters
c) fuck off, you clueless horse's ass
Posted by: Waterhouse at November 16, 2011 09:04 AM (SPC42)
Posted by: t-bird at November 16, 2011 09:04 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Unruly at November 16, 2011 09:05 AM (LL4jH)
So the media says that the Tea Party is "the right wing of the right wing" and now it's fact??
I have video from the very beginning of the Tea Party, video that I shot at the first gathering here in Sonoma County, California. The assembled 'Tea Partiers' were from all walks of life and from the entire political spectrum (sans 'far left').
The Tea Party is a true grass-roots movement that has had many supposed 'right-wing' causes ascribed to it. In my experience it is first and foremost a group that wants fiscal responsibility. Where's the wing-nutty goodness in that?
Posted by: Uncle Jefe at November 16, 2011 09:05 AM (+3fAP)
Those are never popular -- telling someone he's wrong, and asking him to think.
Dead on. And the really hard pull lies ahead. Like Have Blue, though, the media is really a huge factor in why the polling is as close as it is. If they had any shame they sold it for badly-needed hair spray.
Posted by: Cheesy Bacon Bowl-worthy at November 16, 2011 09:06 AM (puy4B)
This truth thing doesn't work for us.
Posted by: The American People at November 16, 2011 09:06 AM (Hx5uv)
("vibrant and urbane") reportage by its fans in the MFM. All the while the TP has been bludgeoned with terms like racist, crazy, violent, extreme and redneck.
Posted by: muggedbyreality at November 16, 2011 09:06 AM (eUGzR)
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
Snark o' the day...
Posted by: M. Murcek at November 16, 2011 09:06 AM (ToZXn)
Posted by: EC at November 16, 2011 12:58 PM (GQ8sn)
Where are they huntin? They need to come to Tx as we're getting over run with them dirty, nasty OWS pigs.
Posted by: © Sponge at November 16, 2011 09:07 AM (UK9cE)
I may have to pull the "Is sick and tired of the trolls" back out.
Listen, idiot: first off, the OWS crowd isn't "doing" anything. They are (quite literally, in some cases) crapping where they sleep, and demanding someone else clean it up.
Second- the only way to avoid income inequality is to have no one be able to earn income. That is: for everyone to become wards of the state. Even then it only works in theory, because in practice someone will always be on top.
If your brain was functional above mere emotional stimulus-response, you'd be able to realize that income inequality is not a problem at all, and that the measure you should be using would be based on what those on "the bottom" can get. When you look at it that way, you realize that "the poor" in the United States are so much better off today than they were even 20 years ago (all with your dreaded increasing income inequality) that you almost can't compare them.
Stop being envious of others' success.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 16, 2011 09:07 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: CAC at November 16, 2011 09:09 AM (C3KwS)
The players want their "fair share." FUCK YOU!!!!
You're already SPLITTING $5 BILLION.
NBAPA, go suck a dick.
wealth redistribution is the worst fucking idea ever.
Posted by: © Sponge at November 16, 2011 09:10 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: lauren at November 16, 2011 09:11 AM (VKD8C)
Posted by: t-bird at November 16, 2011 09:11 AM (FcR7P)
I need to tell Christie there's a wild hog hiding in my pants that needs "taking care of" IYKWIMAITTYD!
Posted by: EC at November 16, 2011 09:13 AM (GQ8sn)
I demand wealth redistribution of Nancy Pelosi's insider-trading inflated stock portfolio.
I demand that Nancy Pelosi actually live in her fucking district, rather than her Napa Valley digs about 60 miles away.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 16, 2011 09:13 AM (G+B5p)
Posted by: Joffen at November 16, 2011 09:13 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: M. Murcek at November 16, 2011 09:14 AM (ToZXn)
110 OWS is a mess, but at least they are doing something about income inequality.
I guess squeezing a stinky on the street is doing something. Who knew?
Posted by: Sub-Tard at November 16, 2011 09:14 AM (0M3AQ)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 16, 2011 09:14 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: ace is a loser at November 16, 2011 09:15 AM (VPRy5)
Posted by: M. Murcek at November 16, 2011 09:16 AM (ToZXn)
Posted by: Joffen at November 16, 2011 01:13 PM (zLeKL)
Don't be silly.
They're proving that a degree in Womyn's Studies isn't worth the money spent for it so go a different path! It's for the CHILDREN!!!!! They're protecting the future and teaching them not to be fucking dumbasses like they were.
Posted by: © Sponge at November 16, 2011 09:16 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: Dave at November 16, 2011 09:16 AM (Xm1aB)
and we keep on pushing and pushing until the Overton Window is back in reality where it should be, no one likes it but it has to be done.
unless you're helping to push, you are part of the problem.
Speak up to everyone you know, even if they don't want to hear, the survival of the Republic is more important than what they or you want.
Posted by: TEA Party hobbit at November 16, 2011 09:17 AM (jdOk/)
The Tea Party that I have seen is not pushing 1920s laissez-faire libertarianism. They have simply called for the government to follow the supreme law of the land called the Constitution and to quit taxing us to death.
When following the Constitution is considered the "right wing of the right wing" we have truly reached a degenerate stage in our country. .
Posted by: Vic at November 16, 2011 09:17 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Joffen at November 16, 2011 09:18 AM (zLeKL)
Yeah! Now excuse me, I have a phone call from Visa on the other line...
Posted by: Nanzi P. at November 16, 2011 09:18 AM (cBVAS)
And it's the job of government to take it and give it away, right?
Fuck off.
Posted by: EC at November 16, 2011 09:18 AM (GQ8sn)
EPIC. STUPID.
We know that failure is an option, jackass. We just refuse to let it stop us and start crying for free shit.
You can move to ANY socialist country in the WORLD and see that it sucks. Go give it a shot. See what the wealth redistribution does for Russia or China. What's the mean income for it's citizens, fuckwad.....
Posted by: © Sponge at November 16, 2011 09:19 AM (UK9cE)
But, but, but, if nobody got a degree in Womyns Studies, we'd be right back where we were when there were no degrees in Womyns' Studies...
Exactly
Posted by: M. Murcek at November 16, 2011 09:20 AM (ToZXn)
Then the bet option is to limit the scope of government to prevent them from picking winners and losers.
Posted by: nickless, back with the banned (99.174.64.43) at November 16, 2011 09:20 AM (cBVAS)
Posted by: ace is a loser at November 16, 2011 09:22 AM (VPRy5)
Posted by: M. Murcek at November 16, 2011 09:23 AM (ToZXn)
Posted by: This is OWS at November 16, 2011 09:23 AM (VKD8C)
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 16, 2011 09:23 AM (qwK3S)
Posted by: ace is a loser at November 16, 2011 01:22 PM (VPRy5)
So you'll just put the tip in, huh?
Posted by: Tami at November 16, 2011 09:23 AM (X6akg)
I'll see Dave's "You're an idiot" and raise him a "You're a sub-moronic, semi-literate, mentally retarded sponge fungus."
Of course Conservatives see that. That's why conservatives do this thing we call "giving to charity." Go do some research, and you'll find conservatives give far more to charity than do liberals, as a rule. When you talk about "doing something about income inequality" you're talking about stealing my money. And since money = time, you're talking about stealing hours of my life.
Well, Fuck You.
The fact is that liberals don't understand that neither this world, nor humanity, are perfectible. You'll never achieve fairness, you'll never achieve parity, and, along the way, the only thing you'll do is impoverish an ever-growing segment of society.
As long as wealth is not involuntarily redistributed, the poorest of the poor always has a chance, however slim, to climb up the ladder. The moment you start stealing my life from me (in the form of the money I earn in recompense for my labor), then you actually make it yet more difficult for the poor to rise up out of their poverty. All the while, you're not stopping "the rich" from accumulating more power- who do you think would be doing the redistributing? You think Barack Obama, who is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure, is on your side? Get a clue- he's either as stupid as you are, or he knows that socialism just makes the prosperity divide wider, and wants to ensure that he's on the "right" side of it. No matter what that costs you.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 16, 2011 09:25 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Bawney Fwank at November 16, 2011 12:51 PM (jucos
If I were you, I wouldn't get my hopes up.
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at November 16, 2011 09:26 AM (qwK3S)
Inequality matters because if too much money is accumulated at the top, they will use this money to wield disproportionate influence in the political system, protecting their monopolies. This is all very obvious to anyone even acutely aware of politics.
Like Soros, Pelosi, Kerry, Emmanuel, and Edwards? Just askin? Do you think the aformentioned intend to sacrifice their wealth under a redistribution plan or merely confiscate others money to buy votes? What do you think the odds are? If you want justice, practice it.
Posted by: Sub-Tard at November 16, 2011 09:26 AM (0M3AQ)
#OWS is a "movement" in the same class as a "Bowel Movement"
Actually I think of OWS as the 'Obama Wellfare State' movement
Posted by: I'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at November 16, 2011 09:26 AM (U3CzV)
Posted by: M. Murcek at November 16, 2011 09:27 AM (ToZXn)
Wrong forum cockholster. Wall Street made more in 2.5 yrs. of 0bama than 8 yrs. of GW Bush. Take it to Pelosi and her cronies you idjit.
Posted by: observer at November 16, 2011 09:27 AM (O1shk)
Posted by: The Greys at November 16, 2011 09:30 AM (NRygI)
Yep, FedReserve funny money, but you can bet those checks got cashed (that is, moved into cash) RIGHT QUICK...
Posted by: M. Murcek at November 16, 2011 09:30 AM (ToZXn)
The bigger and more powerful a government is, the more opportunity and incentive there is for corruption.
Posted by: nickless, back with the banned (99.174.64.43) at November 16, 2011 09:30 AM (cBVAS)
It's not Womyn's Studies, it's LESBIAN SCIENCES!!!!
Posted by: Becky Muffbreath at November 16, 2011 09:31 AM (cBVAS)
Posted by: M. Murcek at November 16, 2011 09:33 AM (ToZXn)
That is beyond disgusting. What woman or man would DO that? Ewwwwwwww!
Posted by: mpfs, Perry Gal at November 16, 2011 09:34 AM (iYbLN)
Yeah, this shows where the country's at. Americans aren't as stupid as we think.
I mean, Mitt Romney--MITT ROMNEY--is pushing budget cuts and entitlement reform. That's the only poll you need right there.
Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at November 16, 2011 09:34 AM (epBek)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 16, 2011 01:25 PM (8y9MW)
HEY!!!! I resent that.....
Posted by: © Sponge at November 16, 2011 09:34 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 16, 2011 01:25 PM (8y9MW)
HEY!!!! I resent that.....
Posted by: © Sponge
Sponge,
What if we use the terms, fungus, spores and mold?
Acceptable?
Posted by: mpfs, Perry Gal at November 16, 2011 09:36 AM (iYbLN)
Unlikely, but a law requiring your heirs to pay taxes against the gummint's estimate of what you would still be making if you hadn't gotten all lazy and DIED... That's coming soon.
Posted by: M. Murcek at November 16, 2011 09:36 AM (ToZXn)
Sorry, Sponge. Should I have kept with 'slime-mold?'
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 16, 2011 09:37 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: ace is a loser at November 16, 2011 01:22 PM (VPRy5)
Ok, brainiac. Go live in one of those countries and tell me how awesome it is.
Next, what's the population of those countries? How's that compare to the US? What's their GDP? Export / Import ratio?
Get back to me when you have more details, asshole.
Posted by: © Sponge at November 16, 2011 09:38 AM (UK9cE)
What if we use the terms, fungus, spores and mold?
Acceptable?
Posted by: mpfs, Perry Gal at November 16, 2011 01:36 PM (iYbLN)
I can live with that.
"I prefer spores, mold and fungus."
-Egon
Posted by: © Sponge at November 16, 2011 09:39 AM (UK9cE)
Why is that?
Posted by: M. Murcek at November 16, 2011 09:40 AM (ToZXn)
Posted by: Unruly at November 16, 2011 09:41 AM (LL4jH)
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
Snark o' the day...
Posted by: M. Murcek at November 16, 2011 01:06 PM (ToZXn)
Thank you, I've been wordsmithing that gem since September.
Posted by: dananjcon at November 16, 2011 09:43 AM (8ieXv)
Well, if you need a mobile handset that can take advantage of LTE, it's because an eeeeeevil corporation invested in the infrastructure to make that service available. Not that the gumming might not have subsidized that to some extent...
Posted by: M. Murcek at November 16, 2011 09:44 AM (ToZXn)
You think they aren't already thinking about it. It makes as much sense as central banks buying their own bonds, and that's happening now...
Posted by: M. Murcek at November 16, 2011 09:50 AM (ToZXn)
that Ohio polls is devistating
- Obama's approval at 43%
- his favorables at 46% (meaning less then half even like him as a man!)
- the majority who voted for no Labor reform said it had nothing to do w/ supporting Obama
- the majority who voted for no Obamacare said it was to show disapproval of the prez
HOLY CRAP
Posted by: AuthorLMendez Is Down To Romney Or Newt at November 16, 2011 09:54 AM (yAor6)
63 OWS is a mess, but at least they are doing something about income inequality.
Really? What exactly are they doing about it? I have yet to see any legislative type ideas from them.
Posted by: Schwalbe : The © at November 16, 2011 10:10 AM (UU0OF)
A personal story for the resident retard....
Neither my wife and I came from money. I came from a very middle class, at best upbringing. My wife came from dirt poor. There are 4 kids in my family, 8 kids in hers. My ex wife came from upper middle income with 4 kids. My wife and I both paid for our own college education and got degrees in stuff that has value. Some of my siblings and most of my wifes siblings did not choose to do the same. My wife and I are now very comfortable. We live in a very nice house in a very nice neighborhood. One of my siblings rents a mother in law apartment and has almost nothing to her name and even though has been offered employment that will increase her income substantially, she chooses to keep working at a job that covers her minimal expenses and gives her plenty of time to sit and watch tv. My wifes siblings have a range of success and lack of, from multi millions to currently in prison.
So tell me this Einstein... how would society be better if my sibling who did not go to college, who does not have enough motivation to work more than 1000 hours a year was given part of what I have made after I put myself through college and I worked, 50, 60, 70 hours a week for 20+ years building up my business from nothing. How would giving my wifes sibling money she has earned, while he was making the choice to break the law time and time again make society better.
Actions have consequences and once you take away those consequences, people are no longer going to do the hard things that should work out well for them in the long run. I would have rather sat on my fat ass watching TV each day like my sister often does but then I did not want to rent a crap hole of an apartment the rest of my life like I had to when I first got our of college and was working 2 jobs so I could make something of myself.
Take some personal responsibility for your life and yea, sometimes people get lucky and they are in the right place at the right time or the wrong place at the wrong time or were born to the right or wrong parents. Life is not fair and never will be. Stop trying to make it fair because doing so just causings issues for those of us who are the ones busting our humps to make it better and rewards bad behavior for those not making the effort.
Posted by: AndrewsDad at November 16, 2011 10:15 AM (C2//T)
But asked whether they have a higher opinion of the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street movement the Tea Party wins out 43-37
Hmmmm... a bunch of productive, polite, law-abiding middle aged people who pick up their trash after a rally ...
Or a bunch of yelly-screamy, scabie infected, street shitting rapists demanding handouts.
It's a draw!
Posted by: Why America is starting to suck at November 16, 2011 10:41 AM (HzhBE)
Give me a break with the opportunity bullshit.
Everyone has an opportunity in this country--due to our education system (the perversion of that system is for a different discussion)--what the individual does with said opportunity rests squarely on the individual's shoulders.
Life isn't, never was, and never will be fair.
Deal with it.
Posted by: irongrampa at November 16, 2011 10:48 AM (SAMxH)
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Preaching to the choir...If it wasn't for genetics, I would have a productive career in the porn industry being known as the Long Schlonger.
Posted by: befuddled at November 16, 2011 11:30 AM (xJU23)
Inequality matters because if too much money is accumulated at the top, they will use this money to wield disproportionate influence in the political system, protecting their monopolies.
Leave George Soros out of this.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 16, 2011 12:09 PM (+F1KP)
What conservatives fail to understand is that we don't live in a perfectly just world
... and what liberals fail to understand is that we never will. Fate, caprice, kismet, call it what you will, will always affect people's lives, and there's nothing the government can do - or should attempt to do - about it. It's called "life."
As for "redistributing the wealth," rest assured that after complete redistribution, outside of the scions of some wealthy families (e.g., the Kennedys), the same people will be rich and be poor as now.
Last, the liberals' bleating about "fairness" founders on a simple problem: what is "fair," and who decides that? Is it fair that a worthless treasonous turd like John Kerry is filthy rich by virtue of marrying a wealthy heiress? If you're going to redistribute wealth, start with his. Please.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 16, 2011 12:17 PM (+F1KP)
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Which is exactly why it's good for Scott Brown that Mumbles Menino is allowing the illegal protest to continue in Boston.
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