1
Good.

Let this pass. And then walk away.

2 Once more into the breach.

3 and President Barack Obama declared "we're almost out of time"

Give the man credit, he can read a calendar, and possibly count to 4

4

I like how the Democratic Reid plan is the compromise plan.

It helps explain why Obama keeps taking about tax increases when no one else is. That way he can say after Reids bill passes, that he compromised by sacrificing something he wanted, namely tax cuts.

He's a douche, but at least the democrats know how to play this game. I only wish the Republicans did as well.

 

5 Good luck.

This makes it worse and the final bill that comes out from the Senate will stink like a corpse.

Congratulations to those killing the first Boehner bill.

You own this and the final outcome. Don't try to weasel out of that.

6 900 billion in new spending today. Mythical spending cuts 10 years from now. Thanks Republicans ... for enriching Democrats. Fuck this country.

7 Stick it to Reid. Make him table it.

8 Vote away Douchebags, you know it's shit, we know it's shit. You can all go fornicate yourselves.

9 whooops.  not tax cuts, tax increases

10 Let's see, tax increases, debt ceiling increases, probably $2.78 worth of actual spending reductions, and a long term BBA that we can't expl;aing clearly enough to have draft language ready.  Sounds like a plan.

11 Fuck Republicans. They vote for this shit and they'll never, ever get my support and we should start a third party. Any Tea Party candidate who votes for this is slitting their throat. All the Boehner bill does is ENRICH Democrats today with the false claim of cuts tomorrow. They're fucking destroying the country with this Republican bastard bill in sheep's clothing.

12

Hot Air makes a great point, Why haven't the House Republicans sent the Senate Democrats a letter stating that the Reid bill is DOA?

The Senate Dems did that to the Boehner plan.

13 and President Barack Obama declared "we're almost out of time"

He has a birthday coming up and he wants it me precious.

14
Don't worry.  I spent more today than all the cuts in both bills.
- The bloated Federal Government

15
Tax increases???

16 Here's the thing: If he can accept a weeklong deal, or an 18 month deal, um, why can he not accept a six month deal?

It's a secret. We could tell you but then we would have to kill you.

17

And don't worry... even though this CANNOT bind any future Congress's action, it will all work out...

Even though it does NOT cut spending... its OK...

Although you will still spend 1.4 TRILLION dollars this year, than you have... its allright...

18

Hot Air makes a great point, Why haven't the House Republicans sent the Senate Democrats a letter stating that the Reid bill is DOA?

The Senate Dems did that to the Boehner plan.

The Partie(s) of noooo(s).

19 The Secret Economy

20 I would be for Reid being DOA. He looks it anyway.

21 If he can accept a weeklong deal, or an 18 month deal, um, why can he not accept a six month deal?

Because he's a lying scheming, weasel who either wants the economy and society to crash and burn or wants to get re-elected at all costs

but thanks for asking.......

22

Good luck.

This makes it worse and the final bill that comes out from the Senate will stink like a corpse.

Congratulations to those killing the first Boehner bill.

You own this and the final outcome. Don't try to weasel out of that.

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This post is so full of fail.

1. How does it make it worse? So you don't support the BBA?

2. So in what way would the final bill out of the Senate not stinked like a corpse? Is somehow passing a weaker bill going to end up leading to a stronger final bill? That's neat thinking.

3. What the fuck are you talking about? John Boehner and those who kept pushing this plan own the outcome, not the people who were against it from the start. More great logic.

23

If I were Boehner, I'd let Hairy Reed pass his little bill, take it back to the House, keep the title and then work on it like a mad scientist and stick everything that conservatives (note I did not say Republicans) in the House have wanted all along.

Pass it then go on a well deserved vacay. Oh, and I'd thank Reed for being so kind as to compromise. BFT.

I'd go home, pour a rather tumbler of Scotch, lite up a cig, put my feet up and watch the fireworks. Maybe even pop some popcorn.

24

They are so worried about keeping score in an artificial game... that they have lost sight of the problem...

at a deficit of 1.4 Trillion a year... saving 1 Trillion over TEN years means nothing... we'll still be 13 TRILLION MORE in debt.

But BOTH sides will declare victory.... MSM pundits will approve 'compromise'... and the American Economy will remain boned.

25 When I hear about this seeeekret Obama bill, for some reason I keep thinking of Dean Wormer talk about 'double secret probation'. Which then reminds me of "Zero.Point.Zero". I think that's a pretty fitting way of describing Obama's (in)action in this entire fustercluck - Zero.Point.Zero.

26
Obama's b-day is gonna be a huge political event, make no mistake about it.

His campaign, the WH, and media, I suspect, are all coordinating a big celebration-informerical to boost Dear Leader's image.

Must not have this pesky debt ceiling issue interfere with the Holy B-day plans.

27 I contributed more to decreasing our debt than Congress today.

I burned my US Savings Bonds, thereby sparing them redemption costs.

28

Here's the thing: If he can accept a weeklong deal, or an 18 month deal, um, why can he not accept a six month deal?

Because cookies don't yawn.

29 >>I would be for Reid being DOA. He looks it anyway. He looks like a mortician. He doesn't have to be a rock star but shouldn't a politician posses at least an ounce of charisma? Who votes for this dick?

30 This is like watching medievals debate the dance card arrangements for the Seraphic Cotillion on the pinhead. Mummery will not placate the fiscal gods. Just pass something and be sure to pretend it matters.

31
I'm serious.

Obama's 50th birthday is going to be treated like Christmas; as if a messiah was born on August 4th, 1961.

32

Posted by: Rich at July 29, 2011 02:53 PM (wnGI4)

Because you cannot by LAW, force a CONSTITUTIONAL Action from a future Congress?

33 "Good luck.

This makes it worse and the final bill that comes out from the Senate will stink like a corpse.

Congratulations to those killing the first Boehner bill.

You own this and the final outcome. Don't try to weasel out of that.

Posted by: Marcus at July 29, 2011 02:48 PM (CHrmZ) "

 

Lol, we own the capitulation of your spineless members in leadership?  Try again, it is all yours, just as you own the last failure of compromise on the budget. 

34 Heard Obama had put out word he'd accept a very short term deal to allow details to be worked out.

CNBC was reporting this a short time ago. I think Barky is trying to save his birthday bash.

35 Is Jordan a republican?  Cause Rush is saying he's being threatened by leadership that they will write his district out of existence?  I mean is this how boehner operates?

36

All right, enough nagging, let me lay my plan out for you.  I got this guy, Not Sure, and he's the SMARTEST MAN ALIVE!  He's gone fix errrything!

37

He looks like a mortician. He doesn't have to be a rock star but shouldn't a politician posses at least an ounce of charisma? Who votes for this dick?

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Hello

38 Posted by: Ben at July 29, 2011 02:50 PM (wuv1c)
I think they are concerned that they might not get invited to the best insider dinner parties,and might get harsh press coverage if they did something un-nuanced like that.

Why the master politician Boehner doesn't insist upon a formal response from the Senate is beyond me.  If the Senate Dems don't like what the House gave them, then the ball should be loudly proclaimed to be in the Senate court and the Senate should mark it up are return it for re-consideration by the House.

39

I'd go home, pour a rather large tumbler of Scotch...

Shit, is it time to start drinking yet?

40 Mitch McConnell, "Look Larry, Boehner got us a handful of magic beans, and all we needed to do is let Obama spend another gazillion dollars!"
Larry Kudlow, "Green shoots!  Mustard seeds!  Pro-Growth!"
The Debt, "FEE FI FO FUM, INTO YOUR MOUTH I PROMISE NOT TO CUM."
Mitch and Larry, "Slobber slobber slobber"

41 35 Is Jordan a republican? Cause Rush is saying he's being threatened by leadership that they will write his district out of existence? I mean is this how boehner operates?

Posted by: curious at July 29, 2011 02:55 PM (k1rwm)

Boehner doesn't control redistricting you vapid waste.

42 Obama's 50th birthday is going to be treated like Christmas; as if a messiah was born on August 4th, 1961. I'm giving him myrrh. You do know what that is for, yes? Because I sure as hell won't say it.

43 35 Is Jordan a republican?  Cause Rush is saying he's being threatened by leadership that they will write his district out of existence?  I mean is this how boehner operates?

He's a Republican and threats were made yesterday that the Ohio legislature would redistrict him out of congress, but Boehner et all claim no such thing is happening.

Funny bonus - Jordan's district is right next to Boehner's in Ohio, meaning a possible primary battle between the two if the state legislature gets cute.

44

Because you cannot by LAW, force a CONSTITUTIONAL Action from a future Congress?

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What does this have to do with anything I said? I'm trying to figure out the reasoning of how the BBA + the rest of the Boehner bill, makes the Boehner bill worse. At the very least, it's a sideways move.

45 Its OK the RINO herd and Establishment hacks just want a bill, anything, so they don't have to fear the media being mean to them. Krauthammer, Kristol, Boehner, McConnell, McCain whats the difference?

News flash jackoffs the news media will be mean to ya anyway but I guess it feels better when your bent over the table and takin it in the butt.

Does the Establishment WANT 4 more years of the Lyin kING?
We need a new speaker and not a crybaby drunk this time. One that will not negotiate with terrorists.
Have we defunded Obamacare, EPA, ACORN, NPR, NEA, Planned Parenthood. Yet?
I thought the spending bills originated in the house.
Did we win last NOV?

46 Shit, is it time to start drinking yet?

It hasn't been time to stop since November 4, 2008.

47 I haven't been paying close attention but what I'm getting from Rush today is that this BS that we have been witnessing has been done so the republicans have cover for their bad bill.  That boehner has been in on this the entire time.  If that's true, then a lot of people aren't going to be happy because essentially they've lied?

48 The White House isn't blinking. The Boehner bill is the bill Reid and Obama have been waiting for. All of you who think this is some great strategy of the GOP are being played for fools.

49 I hope the internet and radio hall monitor tells us ever single thing that is said on tv and radio today.

50 At this point I'd like to see both Boner and Dinjy cry and Pelousy melt.

This whole exercise has been like putting the family alcoholic in charge of liquor cabinet security.

51
I Have A Secret (Plan)

There's something I know,
That no one else does.
You want me to tell you what it is?
But if I did, then it wouldn't be, a secret...

I've gotta move my body tonight,
I'm gonna go dancin'
Dreamin' bout the nights at the club,
With the fun and romancin'

Mommy sees the look in my eyes,
She can tell something's different
Daddy doesn't understand why,
But he can tell something's different

I've got a secret,
My own little secretNo one knows my secret,
Cause it's a secret. (Secret)

Shhh don't tell
Shhh don't tell
I trimmed my buuuuuu-shhh don't tell
I trimmed my buuuuuu-shhh don't tell

And nobody knows that my bush is cut low
As I dance and I sing and I put on a show

52 Shit, is it time to start drinking yet? James May and Oz Clarke ought to make a road trip down the AOSHQ lifestyle lane, to explore the wonders of industrially produced neutral spirits.

53 46 Shit, is it time to start drinking yet? It hasn't been time to stop since November 4, 2008. Posted by: Waterhouse at July 29, 2011 02:58 PM (7+Jsh) No shit. If my dick was as hard as my liver I could be a porn star.

54 @35 What is this, the Shell® Answer Man Blog?

55 Here's the thing: If he can accept a weeklong deal, or an 18 month deal, um, why can he not accept a six month deal?

Because narcissists don't play others' ideas, homey.

56 48 I hope the internet and radio hall monitor tells us ever single thing that is said on tv and radio today.

Posted by: sifty at July 29, 2011 02:58 PM (ECjvn)

Don't forget telling us what idiot liberals in New York think.  Oh and demanding that old people write her a check.

57 It's time for Obama to birth a baby boy!!!  Prince Putt?

58

Obama's 50th birthday is going to be treated like Christmas; as if a messiah was born on August 4th, 1961.

Torch light parades.

59 Posted by: buzzion

pssst....He/She/It/They can't see your posts. Remember? The seeeekret auto-filter He/She/It's/Their super smart tech friends put on He/She/It's/Their computer??

60 All of you who think this is some great strategy of the GOP are being played for fools.

Thank you, Rush.

61 NRO: You stupid House Republicans had better pass something just like the Reid plan, otherwise we'll end up with something just like the Reid plan.

62 57 It's time for Obama to birth a baby boy!!!  Prince Putt?

Posted by: cherry π at July 29, 2011 03:00 PM (OhYCU)

Isn't she in menopause?  She is four years older than him so she is 54.

63 Cantor says they have the votes

64

The White House isn't blinking. The Boehner bill is the bill Reid and Obama have been waiting for. All of you who think this is some great strategy of the GOP are being played for fools.

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Don't worry, the blame will be defelcted on the Tea Party. I predicted this last night, and Marcus just did exactly what I said would start happening.

When the Boehner bill fails and some crap sandwhich comes out of the Senate, they (the guys who were so pro-Boehner bill the last few days) are going to say "IF YOU HADNT CHANGED THE BILL, THEY WOULD HAVE PASSED THE ORIGINAL BILL!!" Nevermind that that isn't true and Reid wasn't going to pass the bill, this how it's going to be spun by certain people/groups.

65 Strangely, it is easy to imagine little B. Hussein Obama lying in a manger. Or behind a podium, same thing.

66 help me out.  2 + 2 = ?  I am just scratching my head here.

67 Where did Dingy get a plan? Is Walmart selling those now too?

68 #1- The BBA part will be stripped by the Senate. They will laugh at it. It will be one of the reasons you get Reid's turd in return.

Still following?

#2 - The whole thing stinks. In fact the process stinks. In fact Boehner stinks. SO it is about what will pass- got it sparky? People are twisting in the wind and when this doesn't happen they are going to flame everyone- as opposed to just the Democrats. IT was easier fro them to see that before. Now you have made Boehner and the Tea Part the headlines. Yes, it's illogical and imaginative. But so are voters.

#3 - The members who forced these changes own it. Fully. They didn't want to vote for the version from yesterday. Good luck with this big turd. You may have gotten some Senate Dem's to vote for Boehner 1.0. This? Ha. Suck it, I can't wait to see the final deal and hear all the excuses as we lapse past the deadline. It won't be the dickhead, weakling Boehner's fault. At least HE knew what would pass.

69

What does this have to do with anything I said? I'm trying to figure out the reasoning of how the BBA + the rest of the Boehner bill, makes the Boehner bill worse. At the very least, it's a sideways move.

Posted by: Rich at July 29, 2011 02:58 PM (wnGI4)

Because it gives the supposed TEA party Repubs the excuse to Cave? Even when the thing they get for their vote means nothing?

Repubs have given up on the idea of any Real Cuts, and are now just posturing for political gain... saying give us all the Levers of power in Washington, and we'll fix this place...

Problem is... I remember a recent time when we had a Repub President, and House, and Senate... and we still grew Government...

This is all about Power inside of Washington, its NOT about fixing anything.

70 Isn't she in menopause?

I'm on it.
- Andeee Sullivan

71 If that's true, then a lot of people aren't going to be happy because essentially they've lied?

Posted by: curious at July 29, 2011 02:58 PM (k1rwm)

Politicians lying--I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!

It is a good thing that the general populace has advanced attention deficit disorder, because if they could remember anything, this could really get nasty!

72 Here's the thing: If he can accept a weeklong deal, or an 18 month deal, um, why can he not accept a six month deal?

I seriously think it's all about his birthday party.

73 59 Posted by: buzzion

pssst....He/She/It/They can't see your posts. Remember? The seeeekret auto-filter He/She/It's/Their super smart tech friends put on He/She/It's/Their computer??

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 29, 2011 03:01 PM (pLTLS)

Gee but even her work computer?  And even her iPhone too?  Oh wait its always the same hash no matter where she claims to post from.

74 For my next trick, being the Captain of Industry that I am, I and my administration plan to focus laser-like on promoting the economy and business and commerce and job creation and wealth creation.

Bwahahahahaha!  Fooled ya!  That shit ain't even in my unabridged Marxist vocabulary.

75 This will make some most of you seethe.

76

brb, it's Guinness Time!

*swats at liver*

Down, big fella..

77 Here's the thing: If he can accept a weeklong deal, or an 18 month deal, um, why can he not accept a six month deal?
 
Because he's a shitheel? Because every time he opens his mouth, a verbal turd falls out?  In other words.........just because.

78

#1- The BBA part will be stripped by the Senate. They will laugh at it. It will be one of the reasons you get Reid's turd in return.

Still following?

#2 - The whole thing stinks. In fact the process stinks. In fact Boehner stinks. SO it is about what will pass- got it sparky? People are twisting in the wind and when this doesn't happen they are going to flame everyone- as opposed to just the Democrats. IT was easier fro them to see that before. Now you have made Boehner and the Tea Part the headlines. Yes, it's illogical and imaginative. But so are voters.

#3 - The members who forced these changes own it. Fully. They didn't want to vote for the version from yesterday. Good luck with this big turd. You may have gotten some Senate Dem's to vote for Boehner 1.0. This? Ha. Suck it, I can't wait to see the final deal and hear all the excuses as we lapse past the deadline. It won't be the dickhead, weakling Boehner's fault. At least HE knew what would pass.

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This whole thing, ALL OF IT, is based on the completely false notion that Boehner's original bill would have passed. I will continue to call this bullshit for what it is, wish-casting. How many times and different ways did Harry Reid have to tell you that no, it isn't going to pass the Senate?

 It would have been killed, and from that would have come Reid's crap bill. In other words, the exact same thing that is about to happen is what would have happened anyway.

79 Yep, my feeling is that this goes over, then goes to conference, a worse piece of crap comes out, the dems and establishment repubs vote to tighten the noose around our necks.

80 48 I hope the internet and radio hall monitor tells us ever single thing that is said on tv and radio today.   Or what her many "friends" in NY think.  Don't you feel honored to have such a direct pipeline into the minds of the denizens of NYC?

81 Wrote a song about it, wanna hear it?  Here it goes...

82 _____________________________________

83 Sen. Scott Brown may support Reid plan.

Massachusetts radio station WBUR tweets: "Sen. Brown tells WBUR parties need to work across the aisle to resolve debt-ceiling impasse; he'd vote for Reid's plan"

84 Posted by: curious at July 29, 2011 02:55 PM (k1rwm)

You keep banging that drum, asshole. We're not biting.

85 It won't be the dickhead, weakling Boehner's fault. At least HE knew what would pass.

Posted by: Marcus at July 29, 2011 03:02 PM (CHrmZ)

Apparently he didn't, because he didn't realize his caucus wouldn't spring for version one of his plan.  You see, good politicians take that stuff into account too.

Some people here seem to think the GOP base is a borg collective which gives you votes and obeys your commands.  It isn't.  You need to actually ask yourself, "what will the base think of what I'm doing?"  Right or wrong, it doesn't really matter much.  It needs to be considered.

I know it makes the Machiavelli contingent among us shake with rage that the masses of GOP voters don't dance to their tune, but you can't keep ignoring that.

86 Boehner gets standing ovation from Senate Rs He must be buying.

87 This will make most of you seethe. Only if you are a mouth-breathing paleocon terrorist.

88

At [Krauthammer]RO there are arguments over whether this is tactically helpful

Hey geniuses. Its all you've got. Your Dream Capitulation went down in flames.

89 "Here's the thing: If he can accept a weeklong deal, or an 18 month deal, um, why can he not accept a six month deal?"

Simple. The weeklong deal enables the crafting of the 18 month deal which kills the 6 month deal.

90 Scott Brown would vote for Satan's plan if he had a chance. Some people just aren't made for stare-downs.

91 Reid got all the Democrat Senators on paper vowing to vote against last nights version of the Boehner Plan. Reid went everywhere saying it was DOA.

How does it matter that we didn't send a dead bill up to the Senate?

The pretty girl walked up to us in the hallways and flat out told us not to waste our time asking her to the prom because she was just going to say no.
Why is everyone screaming because we didn't ask her to the prom?

92 Simple. The weeklong deal enables the crafting of the 18 month deal which kills the 6 month deal.

Posted by: davidt at July 29, 2011 03:09 PM (H3jYe)

But the Chalice from the Palace has the brew which is true...

93

Good luck.

This makes it worse and the final bill that comes out from the Senate will stink like a corpse.

As if anything that comes out of a Democrat led Senate wouldn't.

Congratulations to those killing the first Boehner bill.

I didn't do it, but I'd be glad to steal credit.

You own this and the final outcome. Don't try to weasel out of that.

Posted by: Marcus

yeah, because though we only control 1/8 of 1/3 of 1/scintilla of government, suddenly the fate of Christendom relies upon a cobbled together piece of kick the can down the road shit.

 

94 There is a stench here redolent of spoiled Fancy Feast and stretched establishment GOP rectums.

95

Reid got all the Democrat Senators on paper vowing to vote against last nights version of the Boehner Plan. Reid went everywhere saying it was DOA.

How does it matter that we didn't send a dead bill up to the Senate?

The pretty girl walked up to us in the hallways and flat out told us not to waste our time asking her to the prom because she was just going to say no.
Why is everyone screaming because we didn't ask her to the prom?

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Because everyone (see Marcus, Holtz-Eakin, and a few others) believe deep down, in their heart of hearts, that if they just tried hard enough, then the pretty girl actually would have said yes.

96
that's the beauty part -- Reid set himself up to look like a fool.

If the bill passes the House, the Democrats in the Senate will get antsy and Obama wants to put this shit behind him post-haste.

97 Ed Morrissey actually just made a funny. He called the latest version of the "plan" "Boehner '98 or Boehner XP."

98 The pretty girl walked up to us in the hallways and flat out told us not to waste our time asking her to the prom because she was just going to say no.
Why is everyone screaming because we didn't ask her to the prom?

Posted by: sifty at July 29, 2011 03:09 PM (ECjvn)

Maybe because the Senate is NOT a pretty girl?  Its the lonely girl who, trying to be cool, says she will never go out with you to her friends....

Right up until the day before the Prom, when you do ask, and she accepts?

99

The pretty girl walked up to us in the hallways and flat out told us not to waste our time asking her to the prom because she was just going to say no.
Why is everyone screaming because we didn't ask her to the prom?

i'm so confused.  Is boener's budget going to cut prom funds?  some of my best friends think so...what should I say to them?

100

This whole thing, ALL OF IT, is based on the completely false notion that Boehner's original bill would have passed. I will continue to call this bullshit for what it is, wish-casting. How many times and different ways did Harry Reid have to tell you that no, it isn't going to pass the Senate?

 It would have been killed, and from that would have come Reid's crap bill. In other words, the exact same thing that is about to happen is what would have happened anyway.

And that's because Boner said a week ago that he wasn't going to allow the government to go into default. In saying that he admitted that he didn't have the courage to stand up and walk away from a bad deal, which assured Obama and Reid that all they needed to do was wait and Boner would eventually cave.

He's the wrong guy for the job and he needs to go.

101 I'm sure glad that TRUE CONSERVATIVE Christine O'donnell is holding the line on this...oh wait,she didn't get elected and we forfeited a gimme (R) seat to a D because Deleware gopers and idiots like Mark Levin said we couldn't have a Rhino squish.

102 You may have gotten some Senate Dem's to vote for Boehner 1.0.

They voted to table it.  All of them.  Remember?

103

Looks like Barack Hussien Obama...Hmmmm....Hmmmmm...Hmmmmmm has solved the illegal alien problem:

There are fewer undocumented immigrants in California – and the Sacramento region – because many are now finding the American dream south of the border.

"It's now easier to buy homes on credit, find a job and access higher education in Mexico," Sacramento's Mexican consul general, Carlos González Gutiérrez, said Wednesday. "We have become a middle-class country."

Mexico's unemployment rate is now 4.9 percent, compared with 9.4 percent joblessness in the United States.

An estimated 300,000 undocumented immigrants have left California since 2008, though the remaining 2.6 million still make up 7 percent of the population and 9 percent of the labor force, according to the Public Policy Institute of California.

104 _{Or what her many "friends" in NY think.  Don't you feel honored to have such a direct pipeline into the minds of the denizens of NYC?}

Sometimes I miss working in New York City so much I shit in my living room, throw my money out the window and stick a switchblade in my kidney while watching a Woody Allen movie. It's really like being there.

105

Posted by: suoiruc-ib at July 29, 2011 03:12 PM (9hSKh)

Thread winner.

106 Posted by: Marcus at July 29, 2011 02:48 PM (CHrmZ)

LOL

107 The guy on Fox says that the dems will try to pass Reid's bill in some unconventional sort of way. 

All this BS drama just for drama's sake.  They will blame resorting to this trickery on the Tea Party.

Such predictable BS.

108 Here's the thing: If he can accept a weeklong deal, or an 18 month deal, um, why can he not accept a six month deal?

If the initial deal offered him had been for a week or eighteen months, he'd be open to a six-month deal now, instead.

What's happened during the delay he's imposed—the GOP's self-discrediting panic to placate him at any cost, and the whole political world's crackapile on the teabaggers—is all he really wanted.

Well, he probably didn't consciously want anything. But this is his gift.

109 Sometimes I miss working in New York City so much I shit in my living room, throw my money out the window and stick a switchblade in my kidney while watching a Woody Allen movie. It's really like being there. Remind me never to visit New York with Sifty.

110 How does it matter that we didn't send a dead bill up to the Senate?

The pretty girl walked up to us in the hallways and flat out told us not to waste our time asking her to the prom because she was just going to say no.
Why is everyone screaming because we didn't ask her to the prom?

Posted by: sifty

 

Because we thought it would,like, be sooooo sweet for you to ask  anyway. We we're going to, like, film it and put it up on FB.

111

_{Maybe because the Senate is NOT a pretty girl?  Its the lonely girl who, trying to be cool, says she will never go out with you to her friends....}

_{Right up until the day before the Prom, when you do ask, and she accepts?}

_{Posted by: Court Jester at July 29, 2011 03:12 PM (NtXW4)}

Omniscience. That's what we are missing!

112

"It's now easier to buy homes on credit, find a job and access higher education in Mexico," Sacramento's Mexican consul general, Carlos González Gutiérrez, said Wednesday. "We have become a middle-class country."

Yeah, you keep selling that shit, Carlos. 

Dysentery much?

113 You know what this country needs right now?  I Jon Stewart and Steven Colbert rally!

114

Remind me never to visit New York with Sifty.

Remind me to never even mention New York if I ever meet Sifty. 

115

116 108 The guy on Fox says that the dems will try to pass Reid's bill in some unconventional sort of way.

I think what they will try is to gut whatever Boehner sends over, send it back, hope Boehner allows a vote and then enough Dems in the House will vote for it so that it passes.

117 I'm sure glad that TRUE CONSERVATIVE Christine O'donnell is holding the line on this...oh wait,she didn't get elected and we forfeited a gimme (R) seat to a D because Deleware gopers and idiots like Mark Levin said we couldn't have a Rhino squish.

Posted by: taylork at July 29, 2011 03:13 PM (5wsU9)

So...Boehner proposed a bill which only cut one billion dollars because Mike Castle wasn't there to check his math?

Christ, you 'realists' are going further up the river every day.  Pretty soon I expect to hear eerie transmissions about watching a snail crawl along the edge of a straight razor.

118

Remind me never to visit New York with Sifty.

I dunno, I think visting NYC with sifty would be high adventure.

After we made bail that is.

119 Gee but even her work computer?  And even her iPhone too?  Oh wait its always the same hash no matter where she claims to post from. I'd still totally hit it, just to have AoS bragging rights and because I'm mad at my penis. But mostly because I'm mad at my penis.

120

Omniscience. That's what we are missing!

Posted by: sifty at July 29, 2011 03:15 PM (ECjvn)

You cannot win if you don't even bother to play the game...

Allowing your enemy to declare victory before you even start the battle????

What are you? French?

121 @101 Yeah, because Mike Castle would have made this whole thing right.  GTFO.

122 I miss working in New York City so much I shit in my living room, throw my money out the window Whoa, stop right there, son... you just described the floor of Congress.

123 I love New York City.

It makes an excellent holding pen for New Yorkers so they don't leak out all over the place.

124 Repubs haven't yet figured out how to compromise.  Here, let me explain how compromise process works:

1. Dems get the way.
2.  Repubs look like idiots.

125 White House Blinks? Heard Obama had put out word he'd accept a very short term deal to allow details to be worked out. Here's the thing: If he can accept a weeklong deal, or an 18 month deal, um, why can he not accept a six month deal? -=-=-=- And why not a two month deal to carry to the new FY? And why, oh why, can't we claw back $187B in TARP funds? This is easy money!

126

But mostly because I'm mad at my penis.

most of my friends are mad at their penises.  is there something going around?  im so confused. 

127 The Democrat/Jug Eared Media crisis clock is starting to remind me of movie countdown clocks. You know, they're at 30 seconds and then five minutes later, 27 seconds.

128 Cheetos, Cheetos, Cheetos, Cheetos, Cheetos, midget tranny porn, Cheetos

129 "Omniscience. That's what we are missing!" Beautifully put!

130 and stick a switchblade in my kidney while watching a Woody Allen movie. I read that as Woody Alien movie....

131 Posted by: Waterhouse at July 29, 2011 02:47 PM (7+Jsh)

ME! -- 1
The rest of you -- 1

That makes 2!

Nope, he can only count to 2.

132 I love New York City. It makes an excellent holding pen for New Yorkers so they don't leak out all over the place. I think any such leak is considered a hazmat situation and eligible for Superfund dollars.

133

I'd still totally hit it, just to have AoS bragging rights and because I'm mad at my penis.

It's true, there is, in fact, nothing quite like a grudge fuck.

134 I love New York City. It makes an excellent holding pen for New Yorkers so they don't leak out all over the place. =-=-=-= But it can't hold Snake Plisken!

135 Cheetos, Cheetos, Cheetos, Cheetos, Cheetos,

136 I'm sure glad that TRUE CONSERVATIVE Christine O'donnell is holding the line on this...oh wait,she didn't get elected and we forfeited a gimme (R) seat to a D because Deleware gopers and idiots like Mark Levin said we couldn't have a Rhino squish.

Posted by: taylork

 

Is this a sock? What in the name of Hell has one Senate seat got to do with this mess? We'd still be in the minority, and we'd have little better chance of maintaining a filibuster.

137 So wait, because this has only changed eleventy gajillion times, is Reid still saying he has 53 unanimous 'no' votes?

How does that help them? The conservatives brought forth a bill that "cuts" a trillion over a decade (popular in the polls), that seeks an add-on for the BBA (even more popular) while at the same time doesn't increase taxes (the most popular part of all.)

And every Dem in the Senate shoots that down and it's somehow bad for the Republicans?

How?

(unless I'm missing something...what am I missing?)

138 I love New York City.

Yankees suck!

139 If he can accept a weeklong deal, or an 18 month deal, um, why can he not accept a six month deal?

Like we don't all know the answer to this?  Didn't he and other demos already tell us that it'd be tragic to be having this debate again in the middle of an election year.  Cuz debating important issues during campaigns just distracts us from the important issues.

140 And why, oh why, can't we claw back $187B in TARP funds? Because you are not a mature adult with a realistic understanding of Washington political realities. Oh, and shut up.

141 Obama tweets: "The time for putting party first is over. If you want to see a bipartisan #compromise, let Congress know. Call. Email. Tweet. —BO" Next Tweet: "You heard the President. So here's what we're doing: throughout the day we'll post the Twitter handles of GOP lawmakers in each state." These words "bipartisan compromise" appear to mean "bully the GOP into giving me what I want.

142 _{It's true, there is, in fact, nothing quite like a grudge fuck.}

Bad thing is, they never stop hanging around afterwards. Scratching at the screen door and sleeping in the flower bed out front.

143 Doesn't a BBA in the hands of the Democrats mean massive taxes?

144 >>This whole thing, ALL OF IT, is based on the completely false notion that Boehner's original bill would have passed. I will continue to call this bullshit for what it is, wish-casting. How many times and different ways did Harry Reid have to tell you that no, it isn't going to pass the Senate? No its not. Had Boehner been able to send a bill over to the Senate last night his negotiating position would have been much stronger. Listen to the news today. All they are talking about is Boehner bowing to the "extreme" Tea Party and passing a far right bill. This has allowed Reid-McConnell the opportunity to pose as the rational middle and Obama to call a presser and praise them. It doesn't matter what you or I think, it matter what 99% of the country who don't follow this shit like we do think and all they are hearing is the Tea Party is bug fuck nuts and threatening to make the economy crash for their "extreme" views. Nobody ever said that the Boehner bill was going to pass the Senate intact. It's about who has a strong negotiating position. With only the House and a limp Senate Boehner was already in a weak position. Losing last night took whatever pimp hand he had left.

145 What makes Reid think his plan would pass the in the House????

146 Not even Mrs. Plissken can hold Snake Plissken.

147 Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 29, 2011 03:20 PM (sbV1u)

Oh, I don't know about that. Banging Eva Mendes is probably much more fun than banging your ex "just one last time."

148

Bad thing is, they never stop hanging around afterwards. Scratching at the screen door and sleeping in the flower bed out front.

I'm sure Jeff could handle that.  He has visions of curious in a dog collar, so this just compliments the fantasy.

149 No its not. Had Boehner been able to send a bill over to the Senate last night his negotiating position would have been much stronger. -=-=--= Oh, horseshit. The House already sent a bill to the Senate. Result?

150 (unless I'm missing something...what am I missing?)

Posted by: laceyunderalls at July 29, 2011 03:20 PM (pLTLS)

Yes, you are missing a willing compliance to declare real defeat, due to a Propoganda ploy... even when you are in a very strong position.

Its been done before you know....

151 Posted by: Thrush at July 29, 2011 03:21 PM (fOEq7)

As always with that preening asshole, bipartisan means "do as I say".

152 They voted to table it.  All of them.  Remember?

Posted by: AmishDude at July 29, 2011 03:13 PM (T0NGe)

Theater in a letter. Not a vote and doubtful it would have held in a vote.

153 147 What makes Reid think his plan would pass the in the House????

Posted by: izoneguy at July 29, 2011 03:22 PM (i6Neb)

I'm getting the impression this was all pre arranged.  And they have planes to catch tonight.

they don't want to ruin Christmas that's why they want 18 months.....you remember obamacare ruined Christmas.....

154
@lolobama

The time for putting YOUR B-day party first is over.

155 12 Hot Air makes a great point, Why haven't the House Republicans sent the Senate Democrats a letter stating that the Reid bill is DOA? The Senate Dems did that to the Boehner plan.

You know the answer, Ben. A certain Spray on genius wouldn't like "the optics" of such a move.

156

Oh, I don't know about that. Banging Eva Mendes is probably much more fun than banging your ex "just one last time."

Unless you're banging Eva Mendes "one last time"

157

So...Boehner proposed a bill which only cut one billion dollars because Mike Castle wasn't there to check his math?

Christ, you 'realists' are going further up the river every day.  Pretty soon I expect to hear eerie transmissions about watching a snail crawl along the edge of a straight razor.
---

No, what I'm saying is that if we had 49-50 votes in the Senate, it would then be incumbent upon Obama to explain all the vetoes of bills the GOP has given them, such as the Ryan plan or CCB.

Instead, we have to craft a bill that has the ability to peel away a few more democrats, which will of course, be worse than if we didn't have to do that.

158 I'm sure glad that TRUE CONSERVATIVE Christine O'donnell is holding the line on this...oh wait,she didn't get elected and we forfeited a gimme (R) seat to a D because Deleware gopers and idiots like Mark Levin said we couldn't have a Rhino squish.

Posted by: taylork

You are officially elected to the 'draft that miserable fuck Mike Castle to run against Carper in 2012' committee. Put down the lotion and get busy. Every other Castle loving asshole can join him. And may you have better luck getting that piece of shit to campaign than we did in 2010.

159 memo to taylork:  Scott Brown says he might vote for Reid's bill.

In other words, you are F.O.S.

160 And why not a two month deal to carry to the new FY? And why, oh why, can't we claw back $187B in TARP funds? This is easy money!

Because that is FDR type campaign funds. look for that money to be spent in States that are "toss-up" in 2012.

161

memo to taylork:  Scott Brown says he might vote for Reid's bill.

Like that's a fucking surprise.  He proably gets hair and make-up tips from the Maine twins.

162 The fact is, at the end of this kabuki theater, Republicans, Tea Partiers, and everyone else interested in fiscal responsibility will have to eat a shit sandwich.

The best we can hope for is that it will have enough hot sauce on it so that a) Tea Partiers will be able to choke it down somehow, while at the same time b) it will prove entirely unwholesome in the long run for the Democrats.

"Shut it down" is a perfectly understandable emotion (and one which I share, actually), but it is not a practical short- or long-term political strategy.

"Let the babies have (most of) what they want" while setting them up to take the fall, as they will, because Obama and the Democrats are complete economic illiterates, is a much smarter play.  In fact, given the current lay of the political land, it's really the only possible play.

I have zero problem however with pushing things to the absolute limit before giving in--there's always a ghost of a chance that the Democrats will actually blink, or make a mistake, and we'll get something out of this that they never would otherwise have given up.  But this strategy doesn't work unless the Tea Partiers continue to raise all kinds of hell on Capitol Hill. 

The possibility that the Republicans actually are insane enough to take us over the brink has to be there in the Democrats' heads, for the brinksmanship strategy to work.  After all, threatening to take us over the cliff is what the Democrats and Obama have been doing all along ("We're gonna default!  We're gonna re-interpret the 14th Amendment!"), now isn't it?

163

The more I see Harry Reid talk, the more I want to see an impasse and the debt ceiling remain the same until the next election.

Not to stop trillions from being wasted, not because I believe the government spending has to be forced to stop but simply to piss off Harry Reid.

164 It doesn't matter what you or I think, it matter what 99% of the country who don't follow this shit like we do think and all they are hearing is the Tea Party is bug fuck nuts and threatening to make the economy crash for their "extreme" views.

Boehner really should have thought about all that before he put forward this kind of bill, shouldn't he?


Nobody ever said that the Boehner bill was going to pass the Senate intact. It's about who has a strong negotiating position.

CCB was a stronger negotiating position than Boehner's bill.  He should have just held to that and used that as our starting point.

165

they don't want to ruin Christmas that's why they want 18 months.....you remember obamacare ruined Christmas.....

Posted by: curious

Just wait till it actually kicks in.

166

I'm sure glad that TRUE CONSERVATIVE Christine O'donnell is holding the line on this...oh wait,she didn't get elected and we forfeited a gimme (R) seat to a D because Deleware gopers and idiots like Mark Levin said we couldn't have a Rhino squish.

---------------

Some of you will be on your death bed's having nigthmares about CO'D. I feel sorry for you. It's always your last resort in an argument. "Yea, well, CHRISTINE O'DONNELL!!" I'm sure Mike Castle would be right there with Rand Paul, ready to hold the line. Oh wait...probably not.

And I really don't care if you disagree with Levin on CO'D, but to call the man an idiot when he wrote the single most important piece of conservative literature in at least the last decade should be given far more respect than that.

167 Because that is FDR type campaign funds. look for that money to be spent in States that are "toss-up" in 2012. Posted by: Vic at July 29, 2011 03:25 PM (M9Ie6) Ding ding ding! Just a slush fund for the Dems, so take it out of their hands. Let them make a case for why they have to "keep" it.

168
Chillax, everyone. This is all gonna work out. You'll see.

Wait.

What the hell is...is that...an iceberg?

169 26 Obama's b-day is gonna be a huge political event, make no mistake about it. His campaign, the WH, and media, I suspect, are all coordinating a big celebration-informerical to boost Dear Leader's image. Must not have this pesky debt ceiling issue interfere with the Holy B-day plans. I wonder if Obama is inviting Chavez, Gaddafi and Castro to the party??

170 Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 29, 2011 03:24 PM (sbV1u)

Well, that supposes a first time, which, if you have seen some of her photos and that undeniably great body, would be a good thing.

Maybe I am objectifying her, but I'll take a one-night-stand.

171

Posted by: JackStraw at July 29, 2011 03:21 PM (TMB3S)

A bill has already passed the House, and been sent to the Senate...

Boney made a tactical error by submitting ANOTHER bill, instead of using the origional bill as the negotiating platform...

If the Senate did not want the US to default, the positive action HAD to be theres... instead Boehner is caught in a loop of proposing ever worsening plans... trying to get their approval...

Instead of saying... OK Senate... wheres YOUR Bill?

172 61NRO: You stupid House Republicans had better pass something just like the Reid plan, otherwise we'll end up with something just like the Reid plan.   Teh winnah!!

173 No its not. Had Boehner been able to send a bill over to the Senate last night his negotiating position would have been much stronger.

I want what he's smoking.

174
No, what I'm saying is that if we had 49-50 votes in the Senate, it would then be incumbent upon Obama to explain all the vetoes of bills the GOP has given them, such as the Ryan plan or CCB.

Instead, we have to craft a bill that has the ability to peel away a few more democrats, which will of course, be worse than if we didn't have to do that.

Posted by: taylork

 

It would!?! Obama is wandering around talking about plans that no one gets to see. And you think that electing a Maine sister from Delaware would snap his ass into line? Yeah, that makes sense. 

175 I heard Helen Thomas will scrawl out of Obama's birthday cake wearing a fishnet cat suit.

I immediately stuck a meat thermometer in my eardrums when I heard that.

176 Doesn't a BBA in the hands of the Democrats mean massive taxes?

Posted by: t-bird at July 29, 2011 03:21 PM (FcR7P)

Pretty much.  They'll become masters at breaching the budget at the end of every year and then needing to slam through some big tax increases (more like penalties and fees for non-Dems, though) to balance things.

177 39 I'd go home, pour a rather large tumbler of Scotch... Shit, is it time to start drinking yet? Start? Who stopped??

178 Sorry if this has been mentioned here but word is Scott Brown may vote for Reids bill...

179
too bad it's summer

all the schoolchildren would be singing happy birthday dear Barack Hussein Obama mmmm mmmm mmmm

180 Wait til August 1st at midnight. Then send the fuckers a bill. Let them choke on it.

181 What the hell is...is that...an iceberg?

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 29, 2011 03:26 PM (sqkOB)

can't be, they've all melted

182 What the hell is...is that...an iceberg?

I doubt it. Full speed ahead!

Say, why isn't there any arugula up here on the bridge?

183 See, if we had cloned Mike Castle three or four times, we could have got to 49-50 GOP Senators, and forced vetoes and stuff.  It's science.

184 Posted by: Vic at July 29, 2011 03:25 PM (M9Ie6)

You are so jaded. What happened to believing in Hope&Change^TM?

Next thing you will be claiming that Obama isn't a patriot, and doesn't love this country!

185 I was wondering, has anyone heard whether Scott Brown would vote for Reid's bill?

186
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I feel it's a good time to point that we only control 1/2 of 1/3 of the government cheese.

187 You fucking peasants had better not make us look bad.

We made predictions and you gawddamned well better make them come true, regardless.

188

Tea Party is bug fuck nuts and threatening to make the economy crash for their "extreme" views.

---------

And this is where you, and others who have argued this same thing, lose me. What exactly is different about this then any other day of the week? What day is the media not telling people that the Tea Party is full of crazies who want to destroy the entire universe? This is the standard operating procedure. It no longer bothers me or frightens me.

189 @KellyO: The legislative slide, now its a bit later for House final vote on Boehner bill 5:45--6:15p

190 191
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I feel it's a good time to point that we only control 1/2 of 1/3 of the government cheese.

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 29, 2011 03:30 PM (sqkOB)

I don't know if it's been mentioned before, but we control the purse.

191
As I mentioned earlier...

Scott Brown this morning said he will vote for ANYTHING. He just wants to "come together" and get "something" done for the people.

He said he doesn't care if it's a Democrat or a Republican plan, he'll vote for anything.

192 I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I feel it's a good time to point that we only control 1/2 of 1/3 of the government cheese.

Posted by: Soothsayer

 

Stop introducing wedge issues.

193 191
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I feel it's a good time to point that we only control 1/2 of 1/3 of the government cheese.

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 29, 2011 03:30 PM (sqkOB)

But that 1/2 of 1/3 has an effective VETO on actions by the rest.... and the President needs somthing positive done... the debt INCREASE.

Problem is tactical... they started submitting plans for approval, instead of waiting on OTHERS plans (Senate, President) with the Veto in hand to negotiate with...

194 >>Instead of saying... OK Senate... wheres YOUR Bill? I'm pretty sure that multiple bills have been agreed to by Boehner, the grand bargain with Obama, CCB sent to the Senate. Neither Obama nor the Senate has produced anything. How's that working out for us so far?

195
Scott Brown this morning said he will vote for ANYTHING

Not if Mike Castle was there to stiffen his spine.

196

Shit, now I am getting robo-calls about the debt fight.

Where's that Scotch?

197 Because everyone (see Marcus, Holtz-Eakin, and a few others) believe deep down, in their heart of hearts, that if they just tried hard enough, then the pretty girl actually would have said yes. That only happens in shitty B-movies.

198 Intense talks under way between Senate Dems, [Senate] GOP on debt deal

Thanks for nothing, Mitch.

199 1/2 of 1/3 of the government cheese is apparently both too small to do anything meaningful and so powerful they can make Harry Reid and Brak Obama do their bidding.

200  What makes Reid think his plan would pass the in the House????

Posted by: izoneguy at July 29, 2011 03:22 PM (i6Neb)

 

Looks like most everyone here has forgotten that.  Any change to a bill sent from the House to the senate has to come back to the House.  Which gives more credence to strategy of the House passing the bill and then calling a recess.

201 193

Tea Party is bug fuck nuts and threatening to make the economy crash for their "extreme" views.

---------

And this is where you, and others who have argued this same thing, lose me. What exactly is different about this then any other day of the week? What day is the media not telling people that the Tea Party is full of crazies who want to destroy the entire universe? This is the standard operating procedure. It no longer bothers me or frightens me.

Posted by: Rich at July 29, 2011 03:30 PM (wnGI4)

And the Republicans need to figure out how to USE the bug-fuck-nuts reputation of the Tea Partiers . . . it's a weapon--the Democrats and the media have made it one, and it can be very effective, but it's got to be used correctly.  And Tea Partiers need to start realizing that they are players in the game--important players--but they're (um, we're) not the ONLY players.

202
I'm pretty sure that multiple bills have been agreed to by Boehner, the grand bargain with Obama, CCB sent to the Senate. Neither Obama nor the Senate has produced anything.

How's that working out for us so far?

Posted by: JackStraw at July 29, 2011 03:33 PM (TMB3S)

Um, we wait for them to produce something? Is that so alien a notion for you?

203

I'm pretty sure that multiple bills have been agreed to by Boehner, the grand bargain with Obama, CCB sent to the Senate. Neither Obama nor the Senate has produced anything.

How's that working out for us so far?

---------

In terms of forcing them to do something? not well.

In terms of making them look like the road blocks? Well, was going pretty good untill the giant Boehner screw-up last night.

204

Where's that Scotch?

Posted by: Sean Bannion at July 29, 2011 03:33 PM (sbV1u)

Boehner traded it for a used pencil.  The guy just can't stop negotiating.

205  don't know if this has been mentioned, but I feel it's a good time to point that we only control 1/2 of 1/3 of the government cheese.

Posted by: Soothsayer at July 29, 2011 03:30 PM (sqkOB)

But that 1/2 of 1/3 has an effective VETO on actions by the rest.... and the President needs somthing positive done... the debt INCREASE.

Posted by: Romeo13

 

Golly. I knew that cheese could disagree with you, but who knew that it had veto powers?

206

Here's a question:

So ... if we don't raise the debt ceiling, the economy will crater and our credit rating will be downgraded because we will have defaulted on paying what we owe.

That's the accepted take on it.

Now, can someone tell me how a balanced budget amendment is materially different than refusing to raise the debt ceiling?

Other than the fact that we will have run up even more debt by the time it is passed and ratified (which is a fantasy, but whatever)

What's different?

If we have a constitutional amendment that FORCES us to balance the budget, then government spending gets cut immediately by 40%, right? That's how much of our spending is borrowed.

So what's the difference between a balanced budget amendment later and a refusal to raise the debt ceiling now?

Oh, wait. You could raise taxes to get a balanced budget. So I guess that's,  uh, better ... even though the GOP just rejected that.

207 Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) told reporters that he needs ideas from Republicans sometime Friday if Congress is to meet the Aug. 2 deadline.

Two detailed, fully-formed plans have already been presented, you duplicitous fucking cadaver.

208

AND...

Is not keeping the Debt ceiling where it is, a DE FACTO Balanced Budget Amendment???

If the Feds cannot increase the debt, then they must figure out how to live within their means.... which is a GOOD THING?

Yes, its being spun as a crises because they really do not want to be forced to make those cuts, and so have NO plans to do so....

But don't we all pretty much WANT a Balanced Budget??? And will this not force them to do it?

209 104 Or what her many "friends" in NY think. Don't you feel honored to have such a direct pipeline into the minds of the denizens of NYC? Sometimes I miss working in New York City so much I shit in my living room, throw my money out the window and stick a switchblade in my kidney while watching a Woody Allen movie. It's really like being there. Ha! Those sound like fond memories. I remember the year I spent in NYC one night.

210 And it shouldn't be forgotten that the biggest screw up in this whole thing has been Mitch McConnell. He's been screwing us over from the start, throwing in the towel before we even got to the 4th quarter. What a douche. I like Boehner as guy and a rep. (not a leader), but I would not be opposed to having a serious primary challanger go after goof-nuts Mitch in '14.

211 No, what I'm saying is that if we had 49-50 votes in the Senate, it would then be incumbent upon Obama to explain all the vetoes of bills the GOP has given them, such as the Ryan plan or CCB.

Posted by: taylork at July 29, 2011 03:24 PM (5wsU9)

I can just as easily weave a scenario where Castle signs on to the Reid plan and makes things more difficult, like Mitch McConnell did earlier in the negotiations.  Or point out that Fiorina and McMahon both lost by similar margins to O'Donnell.

Look, I'm sorry, but all the Politico scheme-mongering is getting tiresome, especially when it's convoluted things about how Christine O'Donnell winning the Delaware primary was some kind of watershed moment which doomed the GOP to have to surrender during the debt ceiling battle.

212 Debt Ceiling: The Musical, Reviewed While what some have called the "Reid-Boehner Follies" counts as light musical theater, this reviewer considers your money better spent on "Sweeney Todd," "Rent," "Jesus Christ Superstar," or "Oh, Calcutta." John Boehner shows all the skill of a veteran hoofer on the political stage, which is to say you shouldn't expect much creativity, merely the old soft-shoe and a few sets of jazz hands. Harry Reid has lost much of the lovely singing voice he showed the limelight eight hundred years ago in his youth, and age has not lent the poor man grace. His rendition of "People Who Need People" in a reedy tenor was off-key and mysteriously rendered as if he were Mel Blanc voicing Daffy Duck. Youngish director B. Hussein Obama does his best to remain behind the scenes and not distract the audience with his stagecraft, and he succeeds. In fact, he succeeds so well it appears to have no direction whatsoever. You might find more plot and story reading Kafka's "The Trial" backwards. You might think the man was out playing miniature golf during dress rehearsals. All in all, "Debt Ceiling" is not the worst way to spend an evening at the theater, provided you have free access to the bar in the lobby, and a handful of oxycontin to ease the boredom. Don't say we didn't warn you.

213 215

AND...

Is not keeping the Debt ceiling where it is, a DE FACTO Balanced Budget Amendment???

If the Feds cannot increase the debt, then they must figure out how to live within their means.... which is a GOOD THING?

Yes, its being spun as a crises because they really do not want to be forced to make those cuts, and so have NO plans to do so....

But don't we all pretty much WANT a Balanced Budget??? And will this not force them to do it?

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 29, 2011 03:36 PM (NtXW4)

There are a raft of unintended consequences of the hardline approach--especially when the likes of Obama are the ones making the decisions what to fund and what not to fund--which make this result massively sub-optimal if you are interested in winning the 2012 elections.

214

1/2 of 1/3 of the government cheese is apparently both too small to do anything meaningful and so powerful they can make Harry Reid and Brak Obama do their bidding.

And sifty just sums up a week of stuff in one post.

Therefore, I nominate sifty as this week's AOSHQ Commentor of the Week!

Do I get a second?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life

 

Not I. His theory has holes in it.

215 Sorry. I'm having trouble taking the "purity position" seriously.  As I've been trying to say, the same people who said we HAVE to have Christine O'Donnell and Sharon Angle because a squish just ain't good enough are now saying that they can't compromise at all. I sure as shit would rather have a squish in the senate than a dem right now. And yes, I do believe that those extra 2 GOP votes would have been able to change the deal making calculus such that we could have put a better bill through the one that will likely get passed.

216 Pretty Girl: Don't even bother asking me to the prom. The answer is NO. Moron: Lesbo.

217 BBA amendment (to S.267) language:

In section 301, in the matter proposed to be inserted as section 3101A(a)(2)(A) of title 31, United States Code, strike ‘‘is greater than $1,600,000,000,000’’ and insert ‘‘is greater than $1,600,000,000,000 and the Archivist of the United States has submitted to the States for their ratification a proposed amendment to the Constitution of the United States pursuant to a joint resolution entitled ‘Joint resolution proposing a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution of the United States’ ’’.

218   194--The legislative slide, now its a bit later for House final vote on Boehner bill 5:45--6:15p   We've got the votes in the bag, this time fellas... _{just give me a few more minutes....}

219 <sub>Pretty Girl: Don't even bother asking me to the prom. The answer is NO.

Moron: Lesbo.</sub>

_{Posted by: Empire of Jeff, EXXXTREMIST at July 29, 2011 03:39 PM (lbo6/)}

It's like you were there with me.

220 Don't take one step closer or I'll shoot this Bill!

221 >>In terms of making them look like the road blocks? Well, was going pretty good untill the giant Boehner screw-up last night. Really? You think we were winning the pr battle until last night? So if Boehner had just said "You have CCB, we're not doing anything else until you engage on that" we would have won? Ok. We'll have to agree to disagree.

222

Sorry. I'm having trouble taking the "purity position" seriously.  As I've been trying to say, the same people who said we HAVE to have Christine O'Donnell and Sharon Angle because a squish just ain't good enough are now saying that they can't compromise at all. I sure as shit would rather have a squish in the senate than a dem right now. And yes, I do believe that those extra 2 GOP votes would have been able to change the deal making calculus such that we could have put a better bill through the one that will likely get passed.

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Compromise? Just wait till monday when that giant shit sandwhich emerges from the bowels of the Senate. You'll get all the comrpomise you could have ever wanted. You will be thrilled.

223 214 Two detailed, fully-formed plans have already been presented, you duplicitous fucking cadaver.

The Senate has proven once again that it is essentially useless and run by a mixture of demagogues and idiots. So much for being the world's greatest deliberate body.

224

Really? You think we were winning the pr battle until last night? So if Boehner had just said "You have CCB, we're not doing anything else until you engage on that" we would have won?

Ok. We'll have to agree to disagree.

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Did you see the Obama poll numbers today? Yes, we were winning.

225 228 Don't take one step closer or I'll shoot this Bill!

Posted by: Bug Fuck Nuts Tea Party Guy Holding School House Rocks Bill Hostage at July 29, 2011 03:40 PM (yQWNf)

Now THAT'S what I'm talking about!

226 @233 U-huh.  Reads more like (way) after-the-fact butt hurt than it does political analysis.

Oh, those nasty purity people, what did not just anoint the second coming of Lincoln Chafee when he could not even rouse himself enough to even pretend to campaign.  Yeah, it is all their fault.

227 I MEAN IT!

228 Sorry. I'm having trouble taking the "purity position" seriously.  As I've been trying to say, the same people who said we HAVE to have Christine O'Donnell and Sharon Angle because a squish just ain't good enough are now saying that they can't compromise at all. I sure as shit would rather have a squish in the senate than a dem right now. And yes, I do believe that those extra 2 GOP votes would have been able to change the deal making calculus such that we could have put a better bill through the one that will likely get passed.

Posted by: taylork

 

And I believe that for every drop of rain that falls, a flower grows. One that grows in the flower pot that zapped Mitch McConnell and McCain in their shared brain cell.

So fucking what?

I have a teensy problem taking the notion that Mike Castle is the second coming of Christ. Have you met the guy? I have. He ain't all that.

229

"I read that as Woody Alien movie...."

 

You mean like "Killer Schoolgirls From Outer Space"?

230 which make this result massively sub-optimal if you are interested in winning the 2012 elections.

Posted by: filbert at July 29, 2011 03:38 PM (smvTK)

Ahhh.... this is the key.... I see the debt as an existential threat to the Repbulic...

You see it as a Campaign opportunity for the Republicans...

And even if I cared about how the Repubs did... just blast it out that OBAMA is making those choices... and he'll go down fast.

 

231 "I read that as Woody Alien movie...." ----- You mean like "Killer Schoolgirls From Outer Space"? I think you mean "Incest from Another Planet."

232 I thought I was just kidding last year when I made fun of Mike Castle Dead-enders.  I had no idea there really were still going to be some.

233 185 Wait til August 1st at midnight. Then send the fuckers a bill. Let them choke on it. The House should wait until they get a bill back from the Senate and then go on their summer recess

234

Don't pass anything until August 4th. Can you limp dick establishment hacks at least spoil the Lyin kINGS birthday/fundraiser.

Oh I guess not since your pouring the punch and walking around with hors d vours trays in your black and white waitress outfits.

NitWits! What did we win?

 Its conservatives against the Two Party Parade to socialism.

235

C'mon guys! Just pass some phony bullshit with fake cuts that happen 70 years from now.

We gotta keep this party going!

Buy! Buy! Buy!

236 There are a raft of unintended  terrible political consequences of the hardline incremental approach--especially when the likes of Obama the GOP are the ones making the highly unpopular decisions what to fund and what not to fund--which makes winning the 2012 elections this result massively sub-optimal if you are interested in winning the 2012 elections.

237 >>Did you see the Obama poll numbers today? Yes, we were winning. You should have looked a little deeper into that Gallup poll. Obama is beating Boehner by 10 points on the debt issue.

238 Green shoots! Mustard seeds! Pro-Growth!  Pass this bill!

239 Good thing Boehner is not running for President then.

240 I thought I was just kidding last year when I made fun of Mike Castle Dead-enders.  I had no idea there really were still going to be some.

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth

 

The good news is, the other Delaware Senate seat is up for re-election in 2012. I figure that if Castle starts now, he might actually have some motherhumping signs up before voting day, which would be an oh so pleasant change from the last go-round.

And every member of the Mike Castle we're pining for you club can get it in gear. They can come and stay on my porch.

241 196 As I mentioned earlier... Scott Brown this morning said he will vote for ANYTHING. He just wants to "come together" and get "something" done for the people. He said he doesn't care if it's a Democrat or a Republican plan, he'll vote for anything to stave off the collapse a few more months.

242

Seriously, just fucking lie to their fat, stupid, dust-blown Middle America faces.

You know, like we did with real estate.

We'll rock this sucker for at least another year before the bottom falls out. And don't worry, our algos are WAY more nimble than their crooked brokers are. You think they're getting their money out before we are?

Hahahahaha!

C'mon, guys. Enough theater. Let's end this and start hyping the solution to the bagholders.

243

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 29, 2011 03:48 PM (326rv)

Save a spot for Tokyo Rove and SauerKraut!

244 Scott Brown will vote for whatever he is told to vote for.

245 I'd like to see this go at least a week past the Aug 2 deadline just to prove that it don't mean nuthin'.

246 Harry Reid strongly believes in transparency, really:

@jamiedupree , things are currently on track for 1am Sunday cloture vote on Reid's bill.

247 I'd like to see this go at least a week past the Aug 2 deadline just to prove that it don't mean nuthin'.

Amen.

I'd also really like to see Prezdint Candy Girlybike-McQueen have a miserable fucking birthday.

248 Boehner said he wasn't going to allow the government to go into default. .

I love it when someone says they're not leaving without buying.

249 things are currently on track for 1am Sunday cloture vote on Reid's bill Everyone knows the real party never starts until after midnight.

250 238 which make this result massively sub-optimal if you are interested in winning the 2012 elections.

Posted by: filbert at July 29, 2011 03:38 PM (smvTK)

Ahhh.... this is the key.... I see the debt as an existential threat to the Repbulic...

You see it as a Campaign opportunity for the Republicans...

And even if I cared about how the Repubs did... just blast it out that OBAMA is making those choices... and he'll go down fast.

 

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 29, 2011 03:44 PM (NtXW4)

And, if we shut it down, and if the American people decide "woah, this is not what we want at all" and in 2012 they elect more Democrats instead of Republicans, how have you gotten closer to your strategic goal of eliminating the debt?  This is a possible result, maybe even a likely result of the "shut it down" strategy.  The Democrats need a miracle if they want to survive in 2012.  It doesn't make sense to me to take a tactical position which has a significant possibility of providing them one.  The thing is, that being politically smart for 2012 and having a principled stand for reducing and eliminating the federal debt and deficit are not mutually exclusive.  The argument we on "the right" are having is not about strategy (for the most part, anyway), it's about tactics.

251 256"Boehner said he wasn't going to allow the government to go into default. .

I love it when someone says they're not leaving without buying.

Posted by: used car salesman at July 29, 2011 03:54 PM (H3jYe) "

 

And they have their pockets full of OPM.

252 Everyone knows the real party never starts until after midnight. Posted by: George Orwell at July 29, 2011 03:54 PM (AZGON) --------------------------------------------------------------- Momma always said "nuthin' good ever happens after midnight."

253 The revised whip count is now down to 15 strongly against Boehner's bill.

254 All the good shit happens late. - Sir Richard Pryor

255 >>The thing is, that being politically smart for 2012 and having a principled stand for reducing and eliminating the federal debt and deficit are not mutually exclusive. The argument we on "the right" are having is not about strategy (for the most part, anyway), it's about tactics. Agreed.

256

Posted by: Blue Hen at July 29, 2011 03:48 PM (326rv)

Save a spot for Tokyo Rove and SauerKraut!

Posted by: Tea Party Proud and Gonna Stay Loud

They're VIPs. They get to stay in the garage.

257 A surreal NSFW

http://tinyurl.com/5t282o

258

Posted by: filbert at July 29, 2011 03:56 PM (smvTK)

Or, you point out that this government was shut down due to Democrats overspending, from a Democrat controlled Congress, and under a democrat President...

Unless someone is willing to take some risk... nothing will ever change... and you are allowing FEAR of ONE possible outcome, stop a principled stand on the issue... an issue of survival for the Republic.

259 244 There are a raft of unintended  terrible political consequences of the hardline incremental approach--especially when the likes of Obama the GOP are the ones making the highly unpopular decisions what to fund and what not to fund--which makes winning the 2012 elections this result massively sub-optimal if you are interested in winning the 2012 elections.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at July 29, 2011 03:46 PM (cbyrC)

Huh?

260 266

Posted by: filbert at July 29, 2011 03:56 PM (smvTK)

Or, you point out that this government was shut down due to Democrats overspending, from a Democrat controlled Congress, and under a democrat President...

Unless someone is willing to take some risk... nothing will ever change... and you are allowing FEAR of ONE possible outcome, stop a principled stand on the issue... an issue of survival for the Republic.

Posted by: Romeo13 at July 29, 2011 04:07 PM (NtXW4)

All things being equal, I agree with you.  But all things aren't equal.  You need "control of the narrative" to be sure of making that strategy work.  We don't--not nearly to the extent that they do.  We're getting closer, I think, to the point where we could make this work but I'm not sure we're there yet--not sure enough to bet the farm and the entire dairy herd on it, yet.

261 Over on HA, Ed has a entry and this is part of his take:

As I said on the air yesterday in an interview, any definition of “fiscal conservative” that doesn’t include Paul Ryan and Allen West is one that I can’t recognize.

Legitimate stance.  However, I would point out that Ryan has made obvious mistakes, even in fiscal matters.  And, just because West and Ryan are fc's, doesn't mean they necessarily have the tactical approach on this particular fight correct.

West came out in support of the Boehner plan way too quickly, IMO and then the CBO mess came to light.

Now, some may be attacking West, Ryan, et al as not even fc's...I haven't gone that route.  But I do believe our side has played Chinese fire drill with this when passing the CCB and then holding off for a few days and letting everyone else believe that was the final offer was a legit and unused tactic. 

262 Posted by: filbert at July 29, 2011 04:12 PM (smvTK)

It's always next time.

Always. Next. Fucking. Time.

263 The House Rules Committee has updated their page

264 so wait all these bankster types are sending letters to congress?  Saw a column on CNBC but don't have time to stop or find it.

Heck, if they were patriotic they wouldn't be sending those kinds of letters they'd have gone to Washington, they'd have rolled up their sleeves and they'd have said "how can we help, we love America, we love our country".

265 272 so wait all these bankster types are sending letters to congress? Saw a column on CNBC but don't have time to stop or find it.

Heck, if they were patriotic they wouldn't be sending those kinds of letters they'd have gone to Washington, they'd have rolled up their sleeves and they'd have said "how can we help, we love America, we love our country".

Posted by: curious at July 29, 2011 04:28 PM (k1rwm)

Stop repeating what you read you worthless waste.  Why don't you tell us what you actually think.  Oh wait you have.  You declare your shit hole city the center of the universe, call everyone selfish bitches, and demand that people over 40 write you a check.

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267 Don't the adulterated, impure, ersatz, RINO, Republicans just want you stand up and yell proudly, "I was a republician but left for the Party with principles!"

268 why can he not accept a six month deal?

because his real name is Dick

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Posted by: Soothsayer at July 29, 2011 03:30 PM (sqkOB)

No we control 4/9 ths of the the Government - the last time I checked the Supreme Court was 5-4 Conservative ( Remember Heller - the 2nd Amendment Case went our way not the Commie way?) Still a good chance that the whole of Obamacare goes down in flames before the Supreme Court.

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