July 20, 2011
— Dave in Texas Cieling? i before.. no wait, ok "ceiling."
Voters were asked to imagine being a lawmaker in Congress who had to cast an up-or-down vote on raising the debt ceiling. The poll found 35 percent would vote in favor of increasing the limit, while 60 percent would vote against it.
Registered voters. The kind of people who get polled that politicians pay attention to.
On the question of increased revenues taxes:
A 63-percent majority of voters thinks raising taxes during an economic downturn is a bad idea. ThatÂ’s down from a high of 80 percent who thought so two years ago (August 2009).
I suspect the change is a result of the building argument over extending the Bush tax cuts, but I can live with a 63% majority.
This was an interesting tidbit:
On the whole, the word that best describes how voters feel about the deficit situation is “concern” (40 percent), followed by “anger” (23 percent), “embarrassment” (13 percent), “indifference” (10 percent), “despair” (5 percent) “shock” (4 percent), "kinda funny in the pants" (3 percent), "verklempt" (2 percent), and "I got a raging deficit boner" (1 percent).
Those last three well within the margin of error.
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Posted by: Ben at July 20, 2011 04:56 PM (DKV43)
"kinda funny in the pants" (3 percent), "verklempt" (2 percent), and "I got a raging deficit boner" (1 percent).
That's some classic moron humor, right there. B+
Posted by: Truman North at July 20, 2011 05:00 PM (K2wpv)
Posted by: TexasJew at July 20, 2011 05:00 PM (wzmgj)
Any republican that uses it should be taken to the woodshed, figuratively of course.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 20, 2011 05:02 PM (BSPOC)
Posted by: Bob Saget has not been banned yet at July 20, 2011 05:04 PM (NLWij)
Posted by: lowandslow at July 20, 2011 05:05 PM (GZitp)
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 20, 2011 05:05 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Filthy rich, guilt-ridden liberals at July 20, 2011 09:01 PM (vbh31)
I heard one of those guys interviewed.
Well it turns out he inherited the company that makes him money and it was pretty clear he didn't really know all that much about running it.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 20, 2011 05:05 PM (73tyQ)
"Revenues" is a poll tested, focused grouped term. Any time a dem uses it they should immediately be interrupted with "you mean taxes?"
Any republican that uses it should be taken to the woodshed, figuratively of course.
Actually, anyoen who uses it should be subject to both.
Posted by: Truman North at July 20, 2011 05:06 PM (K2wpv)
Posted by: Marie at July 20, 2011 05:06 PM (W7Seu)
Posted by: JeremiadBullfrog at July 20, 2011 05:07 PM (Y5I9o)
Posted by: USS Diversity at July 20, 2011 05:07 PM (Jyt+i)
Posted by: TexasJew at July 20, 2011 05:07 PM (wzmgj)
Posted by: toby928™ at July 20, 2011 05:08 PM (GTbGH)
@11: "Any republican that uses it should be taken to the woodshed, figuratively of course."
Better if literal. Stupidity needs to start hurting for most of DC.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 20, 2011 05:08 PM (xy9wk)
"...But House Republicans have other plans. They are considering pairing the $1.5 trillion in spending cuts with a $1.5 trillion increase in the debt ceiling, according to Senate GOP sources. Or they could take a portion of those cuts and match it with an equal amount increase in the debt limit."
$ of cuts = $ of increase
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 20, 2011 05:09 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: bitblt at July 20, 2011 05:10 PM (+N+ta)
Posted by: willow at July 20, 2011 05:11 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Public Employee Suzie Rottencrotch, sharing your sacrifice at July 20, 2011 05:11 PM (p2IBw)
People are too stupid to understand that when the government lets them keep a smaller amount of the money they make, it's actually better for them.
They are also too stupid to understand that when we borrow money from other countries, it's like free money. Free money for us to give out to them when they behave themselves, so they don't die of their stupidity.
Posted by: Truman North at July 20, 2011 05:12 PM (K2wpv)
Posted by: toby928™ at July 20, 2011 05:12 PM (GTbGH)
Everything I've seen is cuts spread over 10 or 12 years, so any cuts after year one are imaginary. The deal is not significantly different from raising the limit with no cuts at all. So if that's where the negotiations are heading just limit the amount of the debt limit increase and try again next year.
Posted by: Bob Saget has not been banned yet at July 20, 2011 05:14 PM (NLWij)
Stupidity needs to start hurting for most of DC.
It'll be awhile. They've built themselves a pretty big cushion.
Posted by: USS Diversity at July 20, 2011 05:14 PM (Jyt+i)
Posted by: toby928™ at July 20, 2011 05:14 PM (GTbGH)
Don't we all feeeel for them? it's for the kids ya know.
Posted by: willow at July 20, 2011 05:15 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: toby928™ at July 20, 2011 05:15 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at July 20, 2011 05:15 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: nerdygirl at July 20, 2011 05:16 PM (/+j6L)
Posted by: '80sBaby
Hmm, Obaka wanted $2.5 trillion to get him past election year, right? If so, and the cuts are cuts not 'potential future reductions in possible spending for the sake of burnishing one's credentials,' that sounds like Obaka loses.
I'd rather slay the deficit in 2013 than lose in 2012.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 20, 2011 05:16 PM (/9Ezq)
That sounds like complicated economics. I don't understand. Surely if you have a 100% tax rate, you'll just get all the money, year after year, right?
Posted by: Contessa Brewer at July 20, 2011 05:17 PM (73tyQ)
Posted by: willow at July 20, 2011 05:18 PM (h+qn8)
While expecting the debt ceiling to go up, voters question whether spending will go down. Forty-eight percent (48%) say itÂ’s likely the debt ceiling will go up without significant spending cuts being made, with 19% who think it's Very Likely. Just 42% consider that outcome unlikely, including 11% who say it's Not At All Likely.
But if a deal is made to cut spending and raise taxes only on the
wealthy, 75% think the end result is likely to include a middle class
tax hike. Only 21% consider a middle class tax increase to be unlikely.
These figures include 44% who say an increase in taxes on the middle
class is Very Likely, while five percent (5%) say itÂ’s Not At All
Likely.
I think we have the wind at our backs.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 20, 2011 05:19 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: blaster at July 20, 2011 05:19 PM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at July 20, 2011 05:20 PM (agD4m)
FIFY.
Posted by: alexthechick at July 20, 2011 05:21 PM (sf+iw)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 20, 2011 05:22 PM (TMB3S)
Even 56% of the Political Class expect middle class taxes to go up if the president and Congress agree on a plan to raise taxes on the wealthy and cut spending. Eighty-three percent (83%) of Mainstream voters share that view.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 20, 2011 05:22 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: willow at July 20, 2011 05:22 PM (h+qn8)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at July 20, 2011 05:23 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: t-bird at July 20, 2011 05:26 PM (FcR7P)
Seventy-five percent (75%) of the Political Class is confident U.S. policy makers know what theyÂ’re doing when it comes to the nationÂ’s economic issues, while 85% of mainstream voters are not.
Completely OT but, whichever moron recommended the cutyfox url shortening plugin, I thank you immensely.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 20, 2011 05:27 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Your Unionized Representatives at July 20, 2011 05:27 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at July 20, 2011 09:20 PM (agD4m)
"Likely" is a fluid measure at best and impossible this far out. They just ask "are you registered to vote?" and then ask the questions.
But they might be registered (or be in a same-day registration state) and say "no". That would indicate that they're not really interested anyway.
Posted by: Contessa Brewer at July 20, 2011 05:28 PM (73tyQ)
I read the negotiators are leaning towards making immediate cuts if they decide on doing this in increments. But weter tose would actually materilize is anyones uess.
As for an overall compromise, it is highly unlikely that McConnell-Reid will pass the House, as both sides dislike it. Likewise, the House Rs and conservative senators can't stand the Gang of 6 proposal. Outside of that, they have the Biden Commission proposal and the contingency plans being drafted by the House Budget Committee. How they craft a passable deal out of all this remains to be seen.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 20, 2011 05:29 PM (o2lIv)
Why, who else are you going to vote for?
They Like toby's better where :Seventy-five percent (75%) of the Political Class is confident U.S. policy makers know what theyÂ’re doing
Posted by: willow at July 20, 2011 05:30 PM (h+qn8)
I was there when "Raging Deficit Bonertm" forever entered the moron lexicon.
And I hope you see what I did there. Thanks and drive home recklessly.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 20, 2011 05:30 PM (7utQ2)
My Republican state rep and congress critter are both retards that have been in DC/Austin too damn long and have been corrupted, Voting for demoncrats against those two in 2012 just for the opportunity to be rid of them.
Posted by: Bob Saget has not been banned yet at July 20, 2011 05:30 PM (NLWij)
Posted by: t-bird at July 20, 2011 05:31 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: bergerbilder at July 20, 2011 05:32 PM (S1Ttj)
@56: "It's easy to remember. 'i before e except in words where it's the other way around.'"
I before E, except after C,
Or when it sounds like A, as in neighbor and weigh,
And Sundays, and holidays, and all throughout May,
And you'll always be wrong, no matter what you say.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 20, 2011 05:32 PM (xy9wk)
Off topic - regarding that cheap shot about Congressman Allen West living in Congresscreature Wasserman-Test's district.
Look at the gerrymandered wonder that is Florida's 22nd district. It's not at all surprising that West might end up on the wrong side of the border.
Posted by: Wm T Sherman at July 20, 2011 05:32 PM (w41GQ)
Posted by: some dope at July 20, 2011 05:33 PM (+kznc)
I read the negotiators are leaning towards making immediate cuts if they decide on doing this in increments. But whether those would actually materialize is anyone's guess.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 20, 2011 05:33 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: t-bird at July 20, 2011 05:34 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: alexthechick at July 20, 2011 05:34 PM (sf+iw)
Posted by: Coffered Ceiling at July 20, 2011 05:35 PM (3OCZw)
A poor attempt at humor vis a vis the West DWS kerfuffle.
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 20, 2011 05:35 PM (NSmsb)
Maybe it just seems that way to me, but the poor schlub seems to kill a lot of scoring opportunities with groundouts.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at July 20, 2011 05:35 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth
All baseball comments must be written in old-timey 1890's lingo.
"That muffin's tic really riled the cranks... Today's game is brought to you buy Uncle Fuquer's Genuine Ass Lotion. For a gentle burrow, trust Uncle Fuquer's."
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 20, 2011 05:36 PM (/9Ezq)
@74: "O/T Happy "One Giant Leap For Mankind" Day, everyone."
Armstrong should have taken Collins' suggestion: Yell "Oh my God, what's that!?!" then scream and kill his mike.
Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at July 20, 2011 05:36 PM (xy9wk)
Unclear on the concept.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 20, 2011 05:36 PM (7utQ2)
Posted by: t-bird at July 20, 2011 05:37 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 20, 2011 05:38 PM (TMB3S)
*I'm supposed to tell you this story is being pimped by TDC and Hotair. Although I'm not sure why.*
D'oh.
(no relation)
Posted by: dagny at July 20, 2011 05:38 PM (Vlytc)
Unguent is a good word.
I always try to work nostrum into casual conversions.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 20, 2011 05:40 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at July 20, 2011 05:40 PM (agD4m)
I'd rather slay the deficit in 2013 than lose in 2012.
Unless all the House Rs decide to abandon their policy of matching, he's not getting the full amount by August 2nd. How those are implemented likely depends on the size of the cut.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 20, 2011 05:42 PM (o2lIv)
As it is in budgeting, so it is in circumcision.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 20, 2011 05:45 PM (/9Ezq)
. . . can I get some free Viagra?
Posted by: A 47 Percenter who payeth no taxes at July 20, 2011 05:45 PM (4sQwu)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at July 20, 2011 05:45 PM (NSmsb)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at July 20, 2011 05:47 PM (agD4m)
After reading these comments, I will be accused of being an eccedentesiast.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 20, 2011 05:47 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 20, 2011 05:48 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: toby928™ at July 20, 2011 05:49 PM (GTbGH)
A mediocre prospect and a bag of batting practice balls.
The Mets suck. They will always suck until the Wilpons sell the team. They are a second class team with third class ownership.
My wife knew Jeff Wilpon in college. She tells me that the clinical term for him is "fucking loon."
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 20, 2011 05:50 PM (LH6ir)
BTW, we hit the debt ceiling on May 16th:
A cynical person might begin to think that maybe a less-than-scrupulous person would go so far as to scare little old ladies into thinking that they might not have enough money to buy food and pay their bills by announcing that the money won’t be there unless somebody does something RIGHT NOW, and by golly, he’s going to be the one to swoop in and save the day. Never mind that the doomsday scenario would never have come to pass – the suggestion that it might and the perception that this charlatan is a white knight on a steed is all that matters.
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at July 20, 2011 05:52 PM (/kd4o)
And then a battle of GRE verbal geek sesquipedalianists broke out.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 20, 2011 05:53 PM (7utQ2)
One could plausibly make the case that MLB could force them to sell the team, or at least nudge them in that direction.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at July 20, 2011 05:53 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: toby928™ at July 20, 2011 05:53 PM (GTbGH)
Wouldn't you think that the pressure of an upcoming election would probably make it less likely that they would cut $40B/10yrs, though? That would be political suicide. Even Obama cut more than that over 10yrs in his February FY '12 budget, for Heaven's sake.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 20, 2011 05:53 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: robtr at July 20, 2011 05:54 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at July 20, 2011 05:54 PM (agD4m)
Posted by: toby928™ at July 20, 2011 05:56 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 20, 2011 05:57 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: toby928™ at July 20, 2011 05:57 PM (GTbGH)
Using Washington math, that's a $6 trillion cut, all of it in 2081, minus Medicare, Medicaid, ADP, Social Security, NASA, Defense, whatever is needed to keep the Congressional Black Caucus' family members business from crapping out, and hookers for all the family values and gay marriage advocates.
I remain just a tad skeptical.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 20, 2011 05:58 PM (7utQ2)
Leave my phallus out of this discussion!
(actually, that would be awkward and useless)
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 20, 2011 05:58 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at July 20, 2011 06:00 PM (7utQ2)
March 6, 1961 - The New York Metropolitan Baseball Club Inc., formally receives a certificate of membership from National League President Warren Giles.
...
5) It had historical background referring to the Metropolitans of the 19th century American Association.
Excuse me. Allergies.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at July 20, 2011 06:00 PM (/9Ezq)
I could accept that rationale if it weren't for the utter crappiness of the teams even before the Madoff scam. The problem is the Wilpons. They suck. Rich or poor; they can't run a team, and can't judge managerial talent.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 20, 2011 06:00 PM (LH6ir)
Sorry, thought this was a different kind of party.
**zip**
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Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 20, 2011 06:02 PM (LH6ir)
Posted by: willow at July 20, 2011 06:06 PM (h+qn8)
I remain just a tad skeptical.
The moderate Rs and the libs are definitely not going to allow cuts above $300B during FY '12, but one would expect they could manage at least $100B. If they really want to make people angry, cutting $50B/10yrs would do it.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 20, 2011 06:10 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 20, 2011 06:10 PM (TMB3S)
The excerpt is from their own site. It acknowledges Joan picked the name of New York Metropolitan Baseball Club because of the Metropolitans, and it also describes the word 'Mets,' with "the team nickname will be "Mets,"
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