1 This cop strikes me as having a serious case of Roid Rage

2 First!

3 Remember, you have nothing to fear from the police unless you're doing something illegal

4 Damn, too slow.

5 Can't watch at work, but normally cops will only ask that once they're actually frisking you (again- can't watch, so I don't know if that was the case here, or not), not just when they stop you.

6

it looks like after they have the suspect in the back of the car, while the cop is talking to the other cop, he knows he f*cked up big time and he's trying to convince himself that he did the right thing.

I've seen people do this a lot. When they realize they f*cked up they then talk to someone else and repeat the whole incident from their point of view, but in the back of their mind they know they are so screwed.

7
in b4 the gun dicks, or whatever Ace called them

8

I've been pulled over twice since getting my CHL.  Both times I gave the officer my drivers license and my CHL.  The next question was "are you armed?", answer "yes", and then I was asked "where?" and I answered (first time center console, second time shoulder holster).

 

And that was it.  We went on to discuss whatever is was I was pulled over for.  They didn't ask to see the weapon, didn't ask me to hand it over. 

 

...

 

I haven't been stopped for pickin up a hooker.

 

Yet. 

9 An RFID chip on the gun would have alerted the cop.

10 >>pulled over for picking up a prostitute

OK, which one of you was it? 

11 Well, he must have been doing SOMETHING wrong, otherwise the cop wouldn't have felt threatened!

12

Also, I'm not a cop, but when you pull someone over with the intent to arrest them, shouldn't dealing with the driver be the first thing on your list?

It seems dangerous to me that you would leave a potential perp in control of a 3000 ton vehicle that can be used as a weapon or for a speedy getaway.

13 Ohio law requires CCW holders to notify at the beginning of an interaction with police. It sounds as if the fellow tried and was shouted down.

14 Dude's got anger management issues, for realz.

15 BTW, read the press release from the police chief (explaining that the officer has been put on leave).  It is excellent.  Really hits the perfect tone. 

16 3000 ton vehicle?  Dude...

17 Off Mystery Men sock!

18

A cop acting like a douche?

Never would have thought that could happen.

19 t seems dangerous to me that you would leave a potential perp in control of a 3000 ton vehicle that can be used as a weapon or for a speedy getaway.

Damn, I bet that thing gets, what, 8 miles to the gallon? Better keep those tires inflated!

20 I haven't been stopped for pickin up a hooker. Yet. MMMMFF!! MMMMFFFF!!!

21

also, you can hear at the end of the video dispatch telling them that he has a CCL. Maybe they should have waited for that information before getting out of the car.

And while beserk may be a fitting description, i think the death threat is pretty serious

22 I've got a concealed-carry permit, and my instructor always said that the rule is to volunteer the information right off the bat if stopped or questioned by the cops. Don't wait -- make sure the cop knows right off if you're carrying. And once you announce it, make sure to keep your hands visible at all times, and follow instructions exactly. Don't bitch at or berate the cop -- if you think he's acting like a dumbass, be sure to make mental notes of everything so you can complain later, but follow his instructions.

I've never been braced by a cop while carrying, but my instructor's advice seems sound.

23 I love that AoS loggers are starting to ask these kind of questions more frequently; there is a certain libertarian flavor to them.
 
Ace, I don't think that is any kind of a standard question to ask a driver (except maybe in NY); in MS, it is legal to carry a gun in your car with no permit. Your vehicle is considered an extension of your home. Standard legal disclaimer applies here in that I'm no lawyer yada yada check with your po po department.
 
Something else that disturbed me in this video was the vehicle search. At no time did I see the police request permission to search; without permission you need a warrant. Now THAT is against the law.
 
So who is the law breaker here?

24 14 Dude's got anger management issues, for realz. Posted by: Mr. Furious at July 21, 2011 04:49 PM

Or Roid Rage. Ever notice how bulked up the cops are lately, and how quick tempered and excitable they are?

I think if you outlawed steroids and made cops piss in the cup to keep their jobs, at least half would lose their badges

25

3000 ton vehicle?  Dude...

ha. 3000 pound.

26 You know... I know a few cops, and they're good people.  I would like to believe that they're those same good people when acting "officially."  But more and more of this (plus the domestic spying {aside: wasn't that eeeeeevil! just a few years ago?} thread from earlier) really makes me wonder.

27

(in Poindexter voice)

Ummm, what he had was actually a sidearm, not that you would know that. 

(/sarcastic Poindexter voice)

28

 3000 ton vehicle?  Dude...

 

Ben recently acquired the vehicle that tows the space shuttle to the launch pad.

29 Punk didn't RESPECT MAH AUTHOURITAH!

30 Ah, a shot of Knob Creek bourbon would do me good right about now.

31 Absolutely indefensible.  Anything short of a very large settlement is unacceptable here.

32

I just wish that our libertarian martyrs didn't have to be skeevy men picking up hookers in Canton late at night.

33 Off Mystery Men sock! That's crazy talk.

34 I come from a family of LEO's, never wanted to become one myself. Always have respect for the good ones, and they are out there, but these kinds of stories are popping up more and more.

35 I just wish that our libertarian martyrs didn't have to be skeevy men picking up hookers in Canton late at night.

It would help if we never had to say, "With friends like these..."

36

It seems dangerous to me that you would leave a potential perp in control of a 3000 ton vehicle that can be used as a weapon or for a speedy getaway.

Posted by: Ben at July 21, 2011 04:49 PM

Did the cop pull over a submarine?

37 I just wish that our libertarian martyrs didn't have to be skeevy men picking up hookers in Canton late at night.

Don't worry, you've got me!

38

I just wish that our libertarian martyrs didn't have to be skeevy men picking up hookers in Canton late at night.

 

Maybe he just wanted to use the carpool lane?

39 As a Moron probie, I must ask:

What is a "gun dick"?

40 This sort of dovetails with the story on drudge about baseball bat wielding youths in Denver...who need to meet a CWP holder. Cops should be going after violent criminals, not this guy.

41 38 I just wish that our libertarian martyrs didn't have to be skeevy men picking up hookers in Canton late at night.

Don't worry, you've got me!
Posted by: Congressman Doctor Ron Paul! at July 21, 2011 04:55 PM

---

Soon to be Former Congressman!  Hooray!

42

It seems dangerous to me that you would leave a potential perp in control of a 3000 ton vehicle that can be used as a weapon or for a speedy getaway.

Posted by: Ben at July 21, 2011 04:49 PM

Did the cop pull over a submarine?

Posted by: kbdabear at July 21, 2011 04:55 PM (so1xa)

Who's da U-Boat commander?

43

I watched this earlier today.

 

I respect law enforcement officers and teach my sons to do the same.

 

Having said that, this cop is nothing more than a punk.

 

Someone needs to handcuff him tightly, and then......well, I think I better stop it right there.

44

What is a "gun dick"?

 

When you finish jerking off a 'gun dick', a little flag pops out with the word 'Squirt!' printed on it.

45

3000 ton vehicle?  Dude...

ha. 3000 pound.

Posted by: Ben at July 21, 2011 04:52 PM

Even a 3000 pound vehicle? Shit, that's about what the smallest subcompact weighs. The cop could just kick the doors in to disable it

46 Seeing as I'm a resident of the Great State of Illinois, I don't have to worry about this kind of thing. We're now the only state that will not issue a concealed-carry permit to anyone (except the politically connected, of course) Thank you, watchful and wise overlords in Springfield! (throws up in mouth a little)

47

When you finish jerking off a 'gun dick', a little flag pops out with the word 'Squirt!' printed on it.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2011 04:58 PM (I2bQp)

Thanks, but I swear mine says "BANG, BITCH!"

48 25 - yes, I've noticed that a lot lately.

49 I know that in the "circle" that I run with, nearly all of us have a CCW and nearly always are carrying.  We all agree that it is standard procedure to hand over your CCW with your driver's license when pulled over.  Most of us even keep our CCW right there with our license in our wallets.

But, I do not believe that the law requires you to tell an officer that you have a weapon.  I believe that would be a violation of your 4th and/or 5th amendment rights.

50

 

 

Cops like this have always been around and always will be.

 

We're just seeing more of it with the advent of cellphone cameras and dash-video in patrol vehicles (which I think the police are beginning to realize might not have been such a hot idea).

51 This sort of ties into that terrible story out of increasingly-boned California where cops and firefighters stood around and let a suicidal man kill himself...and then refused to collect the body. "To protect and serve" is no longer part of the job description, apparently.

52 Is it normal to pick up the pimp with the hooker? I'm just asking because not that I would know anything about it but it seems like it would be hard to fit them all back there with all the hobos and hobo bodies and whatnot.

53 But, I do not believe that the law requires you to tell an officer that you have a weapon.

It's an Ohio state law, like the one that demands that their residents drive like total buttholes when out of state.

54 #35. Believe me, police abuse and dishonesty was so much worse 20 or more years ago.

55 This officer has serious anger issues.  The fact that he talked about executing the poor guy proves he needs to be on permanent vacation. 

56

Posted by: Scott at July 21, 2011 05:00 PM (8YE33)

 

It is the law in Ohio.  You MUST identify yourself as a permit holder and notify your status as a carrier.

57

#55

 

Really?  How do you know?

58 I know what my detractors might try to say I said a while back, but that bible-thumping inbred retard had it coming. I need that officer in my administration.

59 59 I know what my detractors might try to say I said a while back, but that bible-thumping inbred retard had it coming.

Picking up a hooker?  That's some bible he's got there. 

60 I'm a 60+ grey-haired female and the first question I got asked, the last time I was pulled over, was "do you have a weapon or gun in this car?"  Of course, I live in Florida where it's somewhat expected that motorist are armed.

61 That cop got something wrong in the head.  Anger management and like others say, he should be tested for Steroids, then booted off the force.  He needs to be a prison guard with that attitude.

In all my years carrying with a CHL, I've been stopped 3 times and never had a problem with the LEO.  I was respectful and courteous  (rolled down all windows, had my DL and CHL in my hand, and both hands on the wheel when the cop came up.

Each time, I was sent on my way with a warning and one time, the LEO did not even bother to run my license.

Many Texas LEOs have told me their apprehension level goes down quite a bit when they see a Texas CHL because they know the stringent background check that is required to get it.

62 I've never been braced by a cop while carrying, but my instructor's advice seems sound.

Oh hell no.

If you run in with a cop who's a violently psychotic Command Presence™ guy (which is just about all of them nowadays), and he doesn't think you're his kinda guy, you'll have no time or opportunity to do anything like that—except maybe blurt out "I HAVE A GUN," which is not a good idea.

My suggestion would be that if you value your life, you don't ever, under any circumstances, talk to any policeman, ever, about anything, ever. Ever. About anything. EVER. Even if he's your dad and he's asking where your emergency inhaler is while you die from an asthma attack. Because he'll find a way to ruin what's left of your life with that info.

That might seem a bit much, in certain circumstances (that I can't imagine), so, y'know...balance.

But—hell no. Your instructor's advice is extreme high-risk behavior, and he doesn't know it, because he knows the cops and vibes "cop guy," so they don't treat interactions with him the way they do the rest of us. Which is pretty much like this video.

63 What does Dick Morris think about this?

64 But, I do not believe that the law requires you to tell an officer that you have a weapon.

It is the law in Utah.  You must tell the officer if you are armed.  It isn't, in my experience, a typical question they ask when pulling you over.

65

Ben makes the big bucks.  He's kind of a big deal.

 

Here's my question: Is it, or is it not, standard police procedure to ask "Are you armed?" as one of the first questions (if not the first) at a stop? I believe it is.

I've never been asked that.

66 Can yo imagine being the wife or girlfriend of this guy?  Yikes.  He probably goes off if his hot pocket isn't heated to the correct temperature.

67 #58 personal interaction regard IA and associated claims arising out of police actions.

68 5 Can't watch at work, but normally cops will only ask that once they're actually frisking you (again- can't watch, so I don't know if that was the case here, or not), not just when they stop you.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at July 21, 2011 04:47 PM (8y9MW)

That was my experience.  Somebody robbed a bank I happened to be unlucky enough to be walking away from twenty minutes later.  When the cops decided I might be the guy they asked "Is there anything we should know about?" as they were about to frisk me.

69

It's funny to me how resentful cops are about IA.

I wonder if the irony ever dawns on them.

70 I've been pulled over twice in Texas since I got my permit. The first time I was freaked out because I'd almost had an accident, and I forgot to give him my CHL. When he ran my DL, he saw that I was a permittee, and politely told me that I could lose my CHL for having forgotten to offer it up. He didn't report me though. He was a good guy, and kind of hawt too. I was kind of hoping I'd have another encounter with him under better circumstances, but so far I've bombed out on that.

71
Awesome. Let's ignore the news. What's important is stroking our gun-dicks. Posted by: ace at June 15, 2011

72

"Is there anything we should know about?"

 

'God Loves a working man', and 'Don't trust whitey'.

73 Picking up a hooker?  That's some bible he's got there.

Do unto others...

74

#68

 

I have personal interaction with leo organizations everyday and have for over 20 years.

 

I don't think corruption or nutcases on the force is any worse or any better than it was 20 years ago, but that may be a factor of geography.

75 Gee, I wonder if anyone thought of keeping track of this kind of stuff....

76 I have only ever been asked if I was armed when they were about to place the cuffs on.

Ask if armed.
If yes, where?
Weapon taken.
Frisk.
Cuffs
Car.
Rights


If no:

Frisk, cuffs, car, rights.

Only my experience in Arizona and California.

77 Also, this cop is a disgrace and a ticking time bomb.

Someone popped him with a towel too often in gym class or something.

Check his crawlspace for bodies and drugs and cash.

78

Try speeding more.

Posted by: buzzion at July 21, 2011 05:13 PM (oVQFe)

Maybe I should do what the Kristen Wiig character did in Bridesmaids.

79 Here in WA you don't have to inform on contact.  Personally when I hand over my license I hand over the CCL and announce that I'm "lawfully armed".  I've had no problem the two times I've done this.

I think if the cop asks you to get out of the car it'd be wise to inform at that point.  I'd also inform that I'm going to be compliant and make my movements as deliberate and non-threatening as possible.

The cop in the vid is out of control.

80 My suggestion would be that if you value your life, you don't ever, under any circumstances, talk to any policeman, ever, about anything, ever.

Well, I don't live on Pluto. I live on Earth, where police are generally decent guys who are trying to do a difficult job. I find in my own life that NOT being a giant dick all the time works wonders. Informing a cop that I am legally entitled to carry a firearm, and that I am, in fact, carrying a legal firearm is just good sense. I don't announce in a big voice that "I HAVE A GUN!"; I would say, calmly, "Officer, here is my Concealed Carry Permit and my driver's license. I am currently carrying a pistol."

81

in montana they always ask if you have any weapons in the vehicle.

every stop.

82 I don't think corruption or nutcases on the force is any worse or any better than it was 20 years ago, but that may be a factor of geography.

Sometime around 1990 they started training cops to be more aggressive.  To take control of every interaction with the public.  I understand why - things got a lot more violent in the '80s with crack and all, and as a cop you're most likely to buy it on a routine traffic stop when there's something going on that you don't know about.

But when every cop you come across treats you like a criminal whether or not he has a reason, you start to wonder if this is really a healthy thing for a society.

83 Seems fitting that our libertarian martyr *would* be picking up a hooker.

84 Cop on a power trip? There's a shocker.

85 He behaves like this when he knows he's being filmed by his own dash camera? Not the sharpest tool in the box.

86 Just my opinion, but in such a situation, don't ever say to the cop, "I have a gun."  If you live in a must-notify state, tell them you have a CCW (whatever it's called in your state) and that you are presently, lawfully carrying concealed.

87  I don't announce in a big voice that "I HAVE A GUN!"; I would say, calmly, "Officer, here is my Concealed Carry Permit and my driver's license. I am currently carrying a pistol."

Posted by: Monty at July 21, 2011 05:19 PM (/0a60)

 

And that woman sitting in the passenger seat.  She's my....uh...er...cousin from Arkansas. 

88 _{*would* be picking up a hooker}

allegedly, maaaan.

Cop was just mad to see his favorite with some other guy.

89 Oops, Monty beat me to it.

90 _{He behaves like this when he knows he's being filmed by his own dash camera? Not the sharpest tool in the box.}

Amphetamines are a powerful drug. I think Officer Ferigno has been shopping in the evidence locker.

91 85

in montana they always ask if you have any weapons in the vehicle.

every stop.

Posted by: garrett at July 21, 2011 05:21 PM (I2bQp)

Well, sure, but that's Montana.  Every other car is a compound belonging to the Free State of Goober Creek or some such.

92 Posted by: Monty at July 21, 2011 05:19 PM (/0a60)

Obviously my data are anecdotal, which means they are almost worthless, but I think that cops have, in general, become much more focused on their own safety and comfort zones at the expense of their connection to the real world of normal civilians.

Bad behavior has increased among cops, or it is just being reported more. Or both.

93 We also must consider that cops are also the security arm of the unions.  I.E., Wisconson.

94 Ben recently acquired the vehicle that tows the space shuttle to the launch pad.

I was on the on the grounds at JSC this morning for the "Wheels Down" party and I hear it's for sale.  Buyers will have to bring their own road.

95

Well, sure, but that's Montana. 

 

it is typical to have a rifle and shotgun in our trucks at all times. 

besides you never know when you are going to get hungry or have the opportunity to shoot a few (clay?) birds. 

96 Yeah. The Wisconsin thing tarnished the badge a bit.

There are assholes in every line of work.
This line of work just happens to have more ways to put the hurt on ya or kill ya.

97 97 #84

You are right about the .08, I am old, but the .03 is still the killer.  That's one beer.

Posted by: Billy Bob, the guy who drinks in SC at July 21, 2011 05:26 PM (hXJOG)

Is that just for the license, or when you're actually carrying?  I'm a bit sympathetic to the idea people who are packing ought to be in full control of their faculties.

98

OT:  Rolling Blackouts Begin In Detroit headline on Drudge

Q:  How can they tell?

99
Ohio 911:  The Coppening

100

And that woman sitting in the passenger seat.  She's my....uh...er...cousin from Arkansas. 

I have cousins in Arkansas. That's not farfetched.

 

I know as a conservative that I'm supposed to like cops. I used to. Now, not so much. My impression is that they've (many) have been consumed by the state and are not only stupid but are corrupt as hell. Shit, here it's to their monetary advantage to charge you with as serious a crime as they can create. It's seriously f-d up. And wrong.

101 77 Gee, I wonder if anyone thought of keeping track of this kind of stuff....

Posted by: TXMarko at July 21, 2011 05:14 PM (5y3XA)

This is an excellent resource. I visit there often. The guy running the site tries very hard to be fair and balanced imho.

102

Posted by: dagny at July 21, 2011 05:31 PM (GnPWT)

 

My biggest fear when roaming the countryside, buying guitars, is running into / afoul of Law Enforcement.

Carrying large sums of cash and or valuables makes me trust them less than I want to.

103 Would rather be a suspect being interrogated by the police today or the police say anywhere between 1930 and 1970?

104 This is a dirty cop. Pure and simple. When he threatens to "put lumps on" the woman, he's not exaggerating. That's the voice of a man who beats women when he feels like it. The terroristic threats (and he should be prosecuted for them) that he made probably were exaggerations, but they are borne out of his penchant for beating anyone he thinks deserves it -- and as we can see here, his judgment is very suspect. The fact of the matter is, concealed carry permit holders don't shoot cops at traffic stops. If they intend to, they certainly don't tell the cops that they are armed before they do it. Like others, I've been stopped while carrying. In Texas, your notification is to hand your permit over at the same time as your license. I've always had the cop ask, "are you carrying?" (They really don't have to ask, since you don't have to hand them the card unless you are.) About half the time, they ask where the weapon is, and about half the time they don't even bother with that. One time I was asked to get out of the car (the weapons was in the center console) and the officer secured it. (He did a poor job of it, also, and lied on the ticket about me consenting to a search.) This is a cop with a propensity to violence, a superiority complex, and a very weak impulse control. He needs to be far, far away from any sort of law enforcement. Getting him that felony he talked about in the tape and away from guns is a priority, too. He's too violent and uncontrolled.

105 I always tell cops I'm packing, but I don't use it as a gun.  A club..maybe, but never a gun...Though I have been known to shoot with it.

106

2 year CCW here, one time pulled over (unarmed).

I don't do ANYTHING until the cop is at my window - no touching ANYTHING - lower windows and leave hands on wheel. Hands on wheel at all times, no reaching for anything. Once the officer walks up to the window, inform and await instructions.

Cop arrives at window: "Good afternoon, officer, I have a duty to inform you that I have a CCW here in Ohio and I am [armed/unarmed]." If I am armed, I further have a duty to state where the gun is: in a holster on my person, locked in glove box, etc. There are (currently) three acceptable ways in Ohio to carry while in a vehicle.

The one time I was pulled over, I followed that exactly; having run my driver's license number, the officer (state hwy patrolman) was grateful for my reporting immediately, in spite of being unarmed... and later asked me what I typically carry (stainless steel Colt 1911 .45).

He thought I had nice taste in handguns, and wished me a nice day. Too bad the poor sap in the video encountered that knucklehead instead of the good guy I did.

107 My impression is that they've (many) have been consumed by the state and are not only stupid but are corrupt as hell.

I doubt they're any more corrupt than they've ever been.  The LAPD of 60-70 years ago was as corrupt as hell.  It was famous for beating confessions out of people and planting evidence.

108 Joke a corrupt cop told me about 25 years ago. How many cops does it take to beat a suspect? None. He fell down the stairs.

109 He wasn't so worried about a weapon when he stuck his fat head in the back of the car (or allowed his partner to do so) ...his fit about the gun also struck me as odd, considering it took him several minutes to even deal with the guy driving the car.

110 I can think of at least two crimes (at least in my home state - Ohio law may be different) that the officer committed against that poor driver. I hope he's prosecuted and fired.

111 @113
How many cops does it take to beat a suspect?

None. He fell down the stairs.

----

heh.

I hope somebody's writin' this down.
Let's get our story straight, boys, 'fore we get back to town.
My guess is, he just went insane,
tried to swim away with too much change.

112 knob, my husband and I have done the same thing here in Ohio when we had CCWs. One time cop didn't know the law and thought we had no right to carry even with permit. Went back to his car and got corrected, I guess. I thought it was sad that a officer of the law didn't know the law.

113 I am the law!

114

This is an excellent resource. I visit there often. The guy running the site tries very hard to be fair and balanced imho.  Posted by: GnuBreed at July 21, 2011 05:31 PM (ENKCw)

That website pretty much exposes the Lie of the "Few Bad Apples" argument....

115 I have never seen police search a vehicle with the driver still in the driver's seat. Abusive cop: "That's how cops get killed!" Yep! It's usually when cops get sloppy and fuck up.

116

"I haven't been stopped for pickin up a hooker."

Duh, they have vag's Dave. Your kryptonite.

117 I'm not sure how Ed looks at that and decides a legal requirement to inform is a good idea.  I'm pretty sure it's a very bad and abusable idea.  Imagine if a police officer wasn't so over the top raging as this, but still managed not to hear or to speed the initial conversation past any mention of it, you'd be looking at criminal prosecution for a problem created by the officer.

As a CCL holder in a state without a legal requirement to inform, I frankly would not inform a police officer in simple conversation - why complicate things and prolong the encounter when I know I'm certainly not going to draw or display?  I would pass the card along with a driver's license, then put my hands back on the steering wheel, that's a pretty widely agreed upon courtesy.  But it ought to be a courtesy rather than a potential six-months-in-jail gotcha.  Anyone who's bothered to get a license and who would obey an obligation to declare isn't going to draw on a police officer anyway, so they don't really need to know unless they're cuffing.

118 #119 There are between 700,000 and 800,000 law enforcement officers at any one time. I still think a few bad apples still applies.

119
The LAPD of 60-70 years ago was as corrupt as hell.  It was famous for beating confessions out of people and planting evidence.






The hell you say.

120 123 #119 There are between 700,000 and 800,000 law enforcement officers at any one time. I still think a few bad apples still applies.

Posted by: Alabaster Jones at July 21, 2011 05:54 PM (QZjIq)

Yeah.  The difference is 20 years ago it was your word against the cop's when something happened.  Now half the time there's video.

121 This episode shows how utterly wrong most of the right is on law enforcement.  Since when do we abdicate authority like that to clown cars full of heat?

The left?  The left ye have with ye always.  So (re)learn to own meaningful rights no matter what.  I mean, damn.

122 It's true that the law requires the license holder to announce he has a gun.

Er, no.

As a CCL holder in a state without a legal requirement to inform, I frankly would not inform a police officer in simple conversation - why complicate things and prolong the encounter when I know I'm certainly not going to draw or display?  I would pass the card along with a driver's license, then put my hands back on the steering wheel, that's a pretty widely agreed upon courtesy.  But it ought to be a courtesy rather than a potential six-months-in-jail gotcha.  Anyone who's bothered to get a license and who would obey an obligation to declare isn't going to draw on a police officer anyway, so they don't really need to know unless they're cuffing.

Yes.  Thank you.

123 In NC it's point .03 for a dui with a cc, without it's .10.

Then NC voters have their heads entirely up their asses.

124 Don't worry about #126 we get rid of those clowns at about between 100 to 200 a year.

125

The whole thing is ridiculous. He could have pulled out the gun and shot them while they weren't paying attention, but he didn't. He told them as soon as they payed any mind to him.

Really, there's no good reason for the law. The guy wasn't shooting anybody, he should have been able to just sit there with his gun in his pocket while the cop the harrassed that hooker for being a slut, been given his ticket, and left.

126 Here in Washington state, we do not have a "duty to inform" an officer whether we're carrying or not.  However, if asked, you must truthfully answer in the affirmative or negative.  Logical & surprising for a blue state, eh?

If this had gone down here, that crap would have been spread all over the news. Officer would have been relieved of duty in the same way and a dramatic trial would ensue (or dramatically covered by the local news media).  Then, depending on if it was Seattle PD, KingCo Sherriff, or State Patrol, the officer would be unlikely, less likely, more likely to lose their job, respectively.

127 Everybody seems to get their impression of police conduct from episodes of COPS or dashcams from the usual Spike TV reality clip shows.  I suspect that there is an awful lot of footage out there of cops acting like assholes and breaking laws while they harass and abuse citizens.  It's not that cops are bad just that much the same as other professions there are bad and very bad employees you can't seem to get rid of or you have good employees losing it one time.  I'll bet that shows like COPS and JAIL have plenty of footage that will never see the light of day.

128

So, did they actually establish that the passengers were a hooker and a pimp? Or was that just a story to make it seem somehow more legitimate?

I've been pulled over in CA and asked about weapons, pulled over in TX with no questions and in my home state of Oklahoma it seems to depend on what city you're in. In my hometown the police are extremely polite. In OKC my only contact was pretty rude. In Yukon it was a genuine speed trap (no speeding required). Shortly after the YPD had a scandal involving six of their officers getting head from some skank working at an all night gas station. The only one that got fired was the one that they found a VPO on during the investigation. VPO = means you can't have a gun here.

129 It's not that cops are bad just that much the same as other professions there are bad and very bad employees you can't seem to get rid of or you have good employees losing it one time.

People who "lose it" at all should not be cops.  One time, ten times, doesn't matter.

130

Kind of a related story: A few years back we had an OHP officer pull over an ambulance for passing him on the turnpike. An ambulance with a passenger in back and flashing lights on the roof. Then he roughed up the EMT for questioning his authority to pull over an ambulance in transit with a patient.

The cop was on video acting a lot like this one. I'm not even sure if he was fired over it.

 

White cop. Black EMT.

131

10 weeks of tradeschool training and you too could be a "007 secret agent" just like this hothead cop who clearly lacks the basic self control for the job...so yea, let's give a gun and "license to kill" to anger management failures!

 

132 I had a concealed handgun license in Oregon and made use of it. There was conflicting information as to whether or not one was required to give cops notice that you were armed. The CHL instructor said that he didn't know, but we should always hand over the CHL license with the driver's license as it indicated we were a 'good guy'. I never really bought that. The law itself said there was no need to. Cops on the other hand were known to flip their shit if it was not made known to them, and in fact there was a relatively high-profile case of a cop being recorded screaming at a guy and pulling his weapon because the guy gave him perfectly calm, hands-on-the-wheel notice that "I am a CHL holder and am currently carrying a weapon." So really, I essentially planned to be a calm person and judge the situation accordingly based on the cop's demeanor if I got pulled over. But I never did.

133

White cop. Black EMT.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at July 21, 2011 07:09 PM (C6OjH)

Racism!

134 Down here in Cooterville we do not have to inform if we are lawfully carrying.  However, when your license gets run it will show up that you are a permit holder.  Other states have the "Duty to Inform" law.

This whole traffic stop was FUBAR from the start.  Why didn't the officer first address the driver?  He seemed much more interested in the passengers.  The second officer actually crawled around in the back seat without ever addressing the driver.

It's hard to inform the officer that you are lawfully carrying if he never comes to the driver's side window or asks you to step out of the vehicle.  The law is fckd up because of the difficulty in having to segue "I have a gun" into the conversation.

As for the cop's reaction, we don't know what was going on with him.  He may have had a recent incident, or a friend of his did, or he just read an article about another cop being shot down.  He might have been having a really bad day.

135 Ann Barnhardt has cool video of a cop doing the right thing.

136 As for the cop's reaction, we don't know what was going on with him.  He may have had a recent incident, or a friend of his did, or he just read an article about another cop being shot down.  He might have been having a really bad day.

Posted by: Cooter at July 21, 2011 07:58 PM (C06Qq)

One thing we do know for sure is that he has to go, and immediately, before he does actually empty his glock into a lawfully carrying citizen

I really would like someone to justify arresting and searching a car whose only crime is being pulled over on the side of the road.

137 He seems to have been pulled over for picking up a prostitute on the street. That's so sweet, helping the poor girl back on her feet after she stumbled! But why did her pick her up by her boobies?

138 I disagree with Monty. In Minnesota you aren't required to notify LEO that you are carrying. I certainly wouldn't volunteer any info that would incite a foolish roid rage dick like this on a routine traffic stop, and the instructor I had echoed the same sentiments. My carrying has nothing to do with a speeding ticket. That said, its always good form to have all windows down, interior lights on and ID in hand and on the wheel before the officer reaches your window. Saved me from many a well deserved ticket.

139 Saw this video over at HA this morning. It's been pissing me off all day. Not so much about how the cop acted -- but because people seem shocked by it. I've had several encounters with cops in the last few years in different states (I'm from the north, went to college down south). As a young guy, usually indulging in the moron lifestyle, I occasionally was in the wrong. I've run in to two types of cops : ranting lunatic assholes like this guy, and just plain assholes. Socially, I know a two guys that are cops. Both are kind of assholes, but not terrible people.
I fully believe there are two personality types drawn to police work: the tough guy wanna-be alpha male who was never quite good enough to get that football scholarship and never quite good looking enough to get the girl, and the normal not-very-ambitious civil servant type.
I really don't get why we act like working for the town, pulling over citizens in "gotcha" situations ("You didn't count to three when stopping at that stop sign" or "you went 40 in a 30 while going down that hill and I caught you while hiding in someones driveway behind a rock wall" -- both of which I've encountered (once as a driver, once as a passenger) is some kind of noble profession. It's not. 90% of cops are not dealing with "real criminals" and the ones that are, well... they should stick with doing that. Harassing people lawfully carrying a gun, or being young, or being a minority, or "possibly being under the influence in public" is ridiculous and a total abuse of power.

(full disclosure: I got a DUI when I was 19 for blowing a .01 in PA --which subsequently got dropped--, a drunk in public / possession of alcohol by consumption for stupidly admitting I'd had a few beers on private property in my friends back yard in GA)

140 Yoshi: It sure looked racist seeing the white OHP officer pinning the black EMT against the ambulance with his hand around his throat. That EMT had more patience than I'd ever muster.

141 Timthelurker is correct.  What kind of person wants to be a cop?  Unfortunately is seems to be the guy with few othe options...that alone should disqualify him.  How is it that the least educated get the power to kill with near impunity?

142 both police need to be retrained. The police searching the car was who put himself at risk. He should've asked the ppl inside the car questions first

143 As a former police officer who teaches Florida concealed weapons permit classes, I am both frightened and disgusted by this officer's behavior. I've seen officers less upset at being shot at much less what "didn't" happen in this case.

This officer should be fired and then evaluated by a psychiatrist to see if HE should be allowed anywhere near a gun for the rest of his life.

It looks like the concealed carry permit holder did everything right, and this poor excuse for a police officer did everything wrong.

144 I know a female officer (Black Belt in Judo) who used to like going on raids - she could fight better than 99.9% of men - which always surprised the male officers who didn't know her. The officers who did know her were happy to have her with them because they knew she could more than hold up her end if anything bad went down.

She won't go on raids anymore - says the male officers are all on steroids and so full of roid rage that everything has gotten too explosively dangerous.

Steroids, adrenaline and guns are a very dangerous mixture.

Notice in the video that the roid head has got his hand on his gun after the driver tells him he has a concealed carry permit. That driver was one slip on a loose rock and a sudden move to regain his balance away from being shot - and then having the tape accidentally erased.

145 Following up, Officer "10 bullets in your ass" Harless has "earned several commendations," but the Canton "internal affairs unit has investigated 16 complaints involving Harless dating back to 2000. He was reprimanded in one 2003 case... for not activating the in-car video camera at the scene...." according to Canton Repository. (By way of The Blaze link found at Red Flame Wire which I got to from this Big Government page. Whew!)