I have to agree at this point she has not entered, and I am tired of playing footsie with peeps who cant decide (or have to be begged).

We seem to have a good field and we should have anyone NOT IN helping by pulling down Obama NOT the candidates who ARE IN.

Hey I think that's my first 'our' when referring to the GOP candidates. Awww how sweet I broke my GOP cherry!

And yes, as Coulter says, there is such a thing as "unelectable."

Coulter herself being a good example of someone that is unelectable.

Posted by: ParisParamus at September 06, 2011 09:18 PM (kfz40)

You can join them in the Perry bashing then.

Coulter herself being a good example of someone that is unelectable.

Being unelectable isn't a bad thing in itself, but someone unelectable threatens to or starts to screw things up for those who are electable, that is a travesty. 

SP should remember the universal rule about holes - when you're in one, stop digging. 

I have to agree that Palin has sat on the pot too long. If she wanted to run, her window of opportunity has passed. That's not to say that should should just head back to Alaska and hide.
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Nah. We have a year and some months to the election. People with start turning in soon but its nothin to rush. I'm fine with the delay of campaign season. I just want Palin to announce now to see Coulters head pop off.

Posted by: ginaswo at September 06, 2011 09:18 PM (QngP/)

this

Burrrrrn The Ingraham and The Coulter

Burrrrrrnnnnnnnn them!!!!1!!!11!!  And their books!!1!!!

They shall pay for their betrayal!

I think I have PFS. Palin Fatigue Syndrome.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but me too.  It's like a great song that the DJ plays over and over and over until you can't stand to hear it again. 

*sigh*

SP should remember the universal rule about holes - when you're in one, stop digging.

^^^ This

You know who else they said was unelectable Ace?  Ross Perot, that's who.

How'd that work out jackwagon?

Posted by: ginaswo at September 06, 2011 09:18 PM (QngP/)

And become a carpetbagger? Palin's whole schtick seems to be the Alaskan huntress stuff.  I dont know where this Arizona Senate stuff came from. I dont thin Arizonans or any state for that matter take too kindly to carpetbaggers

Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 06, 2011 09:21 PM (eOXTH)

Now I get that.

I completely missed it in the last thread

Being unelectable isn't a bad thing in itself, but someone unelectable threatens to or starts to screw things up for those who are electable, that is a travesty.

SP should remember the universal rule about holes - when you're in one, stop digging.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at September 06, 2011 09:19 PM (c0A3e)

Well yeah, definitely nothing wrong with being unelectable.  Especially if you're capable of contributing by other means.  I think Coulter's contributions are a net positive.  And I think Palin's can be as well

Posted by: lu at September 06, 2011 09:23 PM (cNP2M)

Lacey, you know it thinks you don't like her because she doesn't like Palin.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 06, 2011 09:22 PM (tqXjx)

You obviously aren't from NY.

Coulter, Ingraham Rail on Palin. 

Fixed that for me.  Awww yeah.

I don't see any prejudging of a candidate here
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 06, 2011 09:25 PM (uhAkr)

Touche.

Tha'ts exactly the point that SP boosters keep missing.  Great catch.

Why do you Palin haters have such a thin skin?

Why do the die hard Palin fans think that there isn't the slightest possibility that she isn't electable in the Republican primary, let alone presidential election?

It's possible isn't it?

Posted by: ginaswo at September 06, 2011 09:23 PM (QngP/)

Possible campaign headquarters for lower 48? But it's stupid to think someone so unelectable as Palin who cant win one state can go over and carpetbag Arizona and expect to win a senate seat.

Posted by: Dan at September 06, 2011 09:26 PM (mXBxH) \

Are you the same Dan that's pimping Mittens or a different one?

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do not

think, I will ever see

a poem as lovely as a

tree

(This only makes sense if the centered format stays)

I don't see any prejudging of a candidate here
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 06, 2011 09:25 PM (uhAkr)

Prejudging a potential candidate is even more dumb.

I just want Palin to announce now to see Coulters head pop off.

To see everybody's heads pop off.  Good grief, can you imagine the mess?

Well yeah, definitely nothing wrong with being unelectable. Especially if you're capable of contributing by other means. I think Coulter's contributions are a net positive. And I think Palin's can be as well

Posted by: buzzion at September 06, 2011 09:24 PM (GULKT)

I love Ann Coulter, but she's changed her stripes a bit with this Christie-love thing she's been on for a while.  Ann always said - emphatically - that when Republicans nominate real conservatives to run for President, they turn out the vote and win (something like that). Christie is about as far away from being a true conservative as anyone in the Republican party, but she goes into heat when she discusses him as a candidate for POTUS.  I don't understand the change...

Yes, Jose at September 06, 2011 09:24 PM , let's not "ankle bite" - let's call out that man who would guard 14 year olds against communicable diseases with an opt out vaccine and a man who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth or the not so minnesota nice who dresses like SARAH and wants to be her.  Yes, let's not "ankle bit".

Sheesh where are c4p reinforcements??????????????

I think Palin could be an excellent leader but the fact that she keeps holding out makes me thnk she's unserious. Either do it or don't.

You can join them in the Perry bashing then.

As PalinParamus?  Sorry, she lost me at some point last year.  Romney > Perry > Bachmann > Palin

Posted by: deadrody at September 06, 2011 09:28 PM (GJhuj)

I personally think she is running. If she doesnt big whoop. But she has been communicating with that Palin organizer from Iowa multiple times and has had staff meetings with a tonof her groups. If she doesnt run, she'll lose a lot of friends because she strung them along. I also dont believe she is unpopular in the tea party, she keeps getting invited to speaking engagements and making crowds and I think that is basically because her supporters within the tea party want to see her as a candidate. It does not make sense if she is not running, it does if she is.

Bannon, Seriously? You think Palin supporters are unaware that she's not a candidate? You really went public with that?
Posted by: K~Bob at September 06, 2011 09:30 PM (ol4i5)

I'm furiously Googling to find her official announcement annnnnnnd....nothing.

So until there is one....no candidacy.

Posted by: cantankerous at September 06, 2011 09:34 PM (k1rwm)

oh? then I'm sure Arizonans will gladly elect her. I worry for some if she does announce. oh God.

Posted by: Dan at September 06, 2011 09:26 PM (mXBxH)

and o'really favorite, mary katherine hamm married the libest of the libs...what's your point?

Don't you have friendly relations with your competition?  Isn't that "business" and aren't annie and laura in the communications "business" like bill and kief?

Posted by: DrewM. at September 06, 2011 09:36 PM (dw7rB)

Bill O'Reilly's sack ?

Seriously, though. Palin's not electable, and merely saying so nowadays merits rank character assassination, and accusations of RINOism, elitism, and being a member of the "ruling class,"

Not only is she not electable, she's not electable through her own fault.  Which you will never get Palinistas to admit. 

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 06, 2011 09:32 PM (UTq/I)

What's this 'you guys' shit?  You think 97% of Republicans believe in amnesty, gun control, and man-made global warming?  Yeah, right...

Prejudging a potential candidate is even more dumb.

Posted by: Jose at September 06, 2011 09:29 PM (WTNJJ)

It's private citizens ragging on a private citizen.  That accounts for most of the entertainment industry.  It's not like we have to forego a cure for cancer now.

Bill O'Reilly's sack ?

Posted by: Barbarian at September 06, 2011 09:38 PM (EL+OC)

OMG she has waaaay better taste in men than that....

Oh, and Spock's body is clogging up the server closet.

Aye it's not Spock Cap'n.  The toilets were backed up into the warp drive, but I think I have 'em cleared.  She's givin' you all the power she's got.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 06, 2011 09:42 PM (AZGON)

He'd probably accept a fifth of scotch as an apology from you

I'm furiously Googling to find her official announcement annnnnnnd....nothing.

So until there is one....no candidacy.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 06, 2011 09:42 PM (AZGON)

I remember reading something a short time ago that said the WH was pissed that the GOP asked for response time after most of Obama's televised speeches.  Now Pelosi is pissed that they're not responding.  The Dems aren't on the same page.  This still surprises me... 

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2011 09:36 PM (nj1bB)

Exactly my point. No one likes carbetbaggers except for liberals with fetishes for SCOAMFs

Posted by: steevy at September 06, 2011 09:13 PM (fyOgS

I was just going to mention that Obamma is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure and you go ahead and beat me to it. Still it bears repeating.

I don't know how you'll find it amongst all the posts all over the net imploring her to run, but maybe your furious-foo includes sekrit code words to use in searching.

Ladies and Gentlemen, the new standard for declaration of a Presidential candidacy is no longer an official announcement and filing papers with the FEC. 

The new standard, which shall henceforth be known as the "Palin standard" is the following.

"Lots of people have to ask you to run."

That is all.

Had Palin announced sometime ago, she might have a shot, but it's too late now.

People who were sympathetic to her have moved onto a declared candidate.

She's still pull at least 10 percent, but she's not going to win the primaries. I'm sure she knows that.

Journolist agrees with Ace on this.

Palin should have entered already.

Palin can play a role as king maker.

Palin can talk game... and even hunt it but reality alas dictates practicality as it should and we should neither deny or hide from it. Palin should support the strongest conservative and stay that course.

 "I'm not running, but I'm not going anywhere and I'm gonna be right here and get all up in your face when you screw up," I would feel very differently about her.

^^^ This, x 1,000

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at September 06, 2011 09:45 PM (AZGON)

More like, Boehner:  For when the "next" hill is the hill to die on.

And another thing, we may not even make it to the next cycle in a country you even recognize ... given the economic maelstrom that's building.

Posted by: K~Bob at September 06, 2011 09:39 PM (ol4i5)

I suppose you're just the man to tell us.

Posted by: scizzorbill at September 06, 2011 09:46 PM (PG89d)

I honestly don't think that SP cares one bit about 'our minds'.  Folks who are in a frenzy over the 'will she/won't she' stuff made an individual decision to waste their own time.  If she runs, she runs.  If she doesn't, she doesn't.  She'll announce her decision, whatever it is, when she wants to announce it.  And, that'll be that. 

I suppose you're just the man to tell us.

And what if she wins the nomination?

I will eat my hat if she wins. It's just not going to happen, unless she completely changes the game and primaries aren't won based on votes

If she runs, she runs. If she doesn't, she doesn't. She'll announce her decision, whatever it is, when she wants to announce it. And, that'll be that.

Sounds exactly right.  And large numbers of us will be ignoring her full-time by then.

Why should she run against Jeff Flake?

Let's hope not, I really like Jeff Flake

Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 06, 2011 09:54 PM (o2lIv)

She wont. Only delusional people think she'll carpetbag.

So nice I'll say it twice!!!  Twice I'll say it nice!!!  LOVE IT!

"Oh, by the way. Coulter's line, that went something like, "I used to love Sarah Palin for her enemies, and now I dislike her for her supporters," that one?

I want that engraved on a plaque. It's the wisest thing I've ever heard Coulter say, and I've heard her say a lot of wise things.

Posted by: Lou at September 06, 2011 09:42 PM "

I want Palin to stay where she is and not run but this whole "she's got no chance" bit is just silly.

 Lots of people have asked Paul Ryan to run, too. Does that make him special in some mystical way?

No, but then again Paul Ryan has not been ordained by God to be the savior of American conservatism.

</sarc>

Posted by: cantankerous at September 06, 2011 09:59 PM (k1rwm)

Well that seals it.  She's definitely not going to be doing that.

So says the troll from the city that wants to forget 9/11 by no longer saying Ground Zero.

Posted by: K~Bob at September 06, 2011 09:53 PM (ol4i5)

Not all of them, just those like you.

I want Palin to stay where she is and not run but this whole "she's got no chance" bit is just silly.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 06, 2011 10:01 PM (r4wIV)

Thank you. I think she does. Big following and we'll have to see what Perry does in the debate. If Mittens and him get into spats, which I think is possible considering Perrys debating style, I dont see why she cant come in. Polls are pretty fluid one year away from an election/

If she runs, she runs. If she doesn't, she doesn't. She'll announce her decision, whatever it is, when she wants to announce it. And, that'll be that.

Sounds exactly right. And large numbers of us will be ignoring her full-time by then.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at September 06, 2011 09:55 PM (HUZDZ)

And that's fine!  I love SP, but I'll only be interested in her as a candidate if she decides to run.  We have a group of candidates that deserve our attention.  If that group adds members, then those new members will get our attention, too.  I just don't understand the freak-out factor over the will she/won't she stuff.  Too much drama, and it's really not necessary.

Posted by: cantankerous at September 06, 2011 09:59 PM (k1rwm)

Well that seals it.  She's definitely not going to be doing that.

So says the troll from the city that wants to forget 9/11 by no longer saying Ground Zero.

Posted by: buzzion at September 06, 2011 10:05 PM (GULKT)

I have been the one saying that the country has forgotten 9/11, well, except for New york and new yorkers who live with it every day.  the only one screwing things up is lame duck, uncle mikey.

I have been the one saying that the country has forgotten 9/11, well, except for New york and new yorkers who live with it every day.  the only one screwing things up is lame duck, uncle mikey.

Posted by: cantankerous at September 06, 2011 10:10 PM (k1rwm)

You need to shut the hell up and go away.  You have no friends here.

"Sean Bannion at September 06, 2011 09:49 PM "

That was awesome. I almost peed myself.

Not all of them, just those like you.

I want Palin to stay where she is and not run but this whole "she's got no chance" bit is just silly.

I have been the one saying that the country has forgotten 9/11, well, except for New york and new yorkers who live with it every day. the only one screwing things up is lame duck, uncle mikey.

Posted by: cantankerous at September 06, 2011 10:10 PM (k1rwm)

Proving you to be the dumbass so many say you are. 

For years Downtown residents have asked officials to stop calling the two rising skyscrapers and eight-acre memorial "Ground Zero," according to the article

I just love making you repeat quite possibly the dumbest claim you have ever made on this site.   And that's a pretty impressive feat considering how often you say stupid shit.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 06, 2011 10:13 PM (SY2Kh)

Thank you, Hollowpoint!  And may I just add that anyone laboring under the delusion that Sarah Palin is electable to any office in this country really needs to step out of the echo chamber and talk to some people IRL about this.  There is a small, lunatic core of C4P types, then the conservatives who are so weary of her shit, then there are all the independents and other conservatives who have such a visceral reaction to her, it's like they just saw a snake or a spider or Rosie O'Donnell naked or, well, pick your poison . . .

Get that man some pudding, boobies, valu-rite vodka, bacon and dead hobos (not necessarily in that order) - stat!

well done ace

Posted by: Ombudsman at September 06, 2011 10:27 PM (AxHOT)

she has a new hairdo, and a new restauranteur boyfriend. 

Personally I dont think she cares about the polls right now. But thats just me. It'll be fun to see coulter respond if she does announce.

Posted by: Serious Cat at September 06, 2011 10:32 PM (bAySe)

So you are suggesting that she did something worthy of incarceration.

This is what the pundits are not getting.  Palin will run.  Like her or not, she is the only "Candidate" that has even brought up Corporate Tax rates and energy, or pride in country.

Obama, on the other hand, will not seek a second term.  I promise you, he knows he is done.  He will bow out rather than face a landslide.

So you are suggesting that she did something worthy of incarceration.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 06, 2011 10:37 PM (8Zpuz)

No, but that hasn't prevented people from going to prison on bogus charges before.  Conrad Black, for example.

Most likely, it would've been on a coverup of a smaller, trivial, matter.

Why does Palin give speaches in these key states?  The system is about to be sucker punched by a left hook that has been broadly announced, and they system is too stupid to see it.

There are over 3 million folks active on her websites, how many support her and are not?

There is no poll of the Tea Party; Sarah says she is not listening to the Coulters and the Morrises and the Roves, etc; so all their rhetoric is being churned to influence morons, I mean the public.

There is only one thing and that is whether or not Palin will run, and I think she should. There is only one downside and that is falling just plain flat on the face.

If she fights valiantly, gets reasonably ok numbers but loses, her place is secured as a fighter and a gracious loser, then unite the party factions, etc etc. Maybe work in a future administration or run for Senate at some time, but as "everyone" says, "why should she run for anything she is having too much fun, not tied down, able to influence, make money, etc etc etc"

I got news for people, she already has influenced the candidates and has encouraged them to stiffen their spines.

She has already caused the leftists to mount a counter attack against the Tea Party. Sarah's bus tour and revvnig up the patriots has caused the premature attack mode of Hoffa, Waters, Obama et al.

Only Sarah can do that this far out, can make the patriots rally and rev them up. Maybe later, closer to primaries, closer to the general the tea party will pay attention to others in the races, but for now the field is all hers, hell if she was a non-sequitor why is the press coverage, the over coverage still there 24/7 ?

For all her bluster about being the "tip of the spear" bachmann is not a the person that leads the hearts of tea party patriots, you might say that michelle bachmann is lower teir tea partier. She definetely was an opportunist and glommed onto the tea party reins, but they fast evaporated in her hands. There is no Tea Party, there are only Tea Party Patriots.

I do not think Sarah cares about any of that. I think she actually says what she means, that she cares about the country, about America and americans, and if she feels she can do it she will run. If she feels that she HAS to do it then she runs. No amount of tearing her down  in forums, in comments is going to influence her. No amount of foot stomping or tantrums is going to greatly influence her pace ( maybe  a little ) The decision is hers to make, to tell her supporters about at her own pace when the time does finally come to pull that trigger, she may pull the aimed weapon back down and not take the shot. Only time will tell.

#326:  Romney is unelectable.  You know it, I know it.  Get off the Rino dildo.

#326:  The current field of of Republican Hopefulls is incredibly weak.  Not one of them can capture even a 4th grader's attention.  You know it and I know it.

Most likely, it would've been on a coverup of a smaller, trivial, matter.

Posted by: Serious Cat at September 06, 2011 10:40 PM (bAySe)

I'm not sold on your analogy.  For one thing, I don't even know the first thing about Conrad Black.

I've heard of some of the sham charges brought against Palin.  My impression was that they were all about things like "did she break state rules by wearing a branded ski jacket to an official event."  That stuff won't stick.

Volume of charges may get you convicted in the court of media ala Michael Jackson, but it sure as hell doesn't make it more likely to actually get convicted.  See Casey Anthony.

This is what the pundits are not getting. Palin will run. Like her or not, she is the only "Candidate" that has even brought up Corporate Tax rates and energy, or pride in country.

Obama, on the other hand, will not seek a second term. I promise you, he knows he is done. He will bow out rather than face a landslide.

The very notion that you fly over rabble assume that ANY “conservative”--especially a  conservative ( anti )womyn presidental canidate --is electable in this country is truly LAUGHABLE! We are in fact a PROGRESSIVE nation in our hearts, so good luck fielding a minority hating, xenophobic, misogynistic, crypto-fascist KKKon for the White house!

LMAO!1!!

Obama 2012!!!

-G.W.S

#326:  The current field of of Republican Hopefulls is incredibly weak.  Not one of them can capture even a 4th grader's attention.  You know it and I know it.

 Posted by: John at September 06, 2011 10:47 PM (e7PU+)

I know.  Call me Eeyore, but we have the best opportunity since 1980, and I think we're gonna fuck it up

339:  She resigned to move the agenda forward.  She took the attention off of her and put it on the issues, which have won in Alaska, AND NEARLY ALL OF HER CANDIDATES SHE CAMPAIGNED FOR IN THE LAST ELECTION.  She's got a batting average of over 80% on candidates she backed.  The Republican Party Establishment can't even boast that.

That is the problem with RINOS.  Too stupid to do the math, and when they are lost in the math they crave a candidate who will capture their imagination, while they daydream, history rolls right on by.

Posted by: Serious Cat at September 06, 2011 10:49 PM (bAySe)

Expand your horizons, grasshopper

352: yes.  by the way, that is my argument with the Paul supporters.

235 And large numbers of us will be ignoring her full-time by then.

Oh, I think large numbers may disagree with her, but maybe all of 34 or 35 people in the country will be ignoring her full or part time. Her greatest strength is her attention to rivet the attention of the nation. If she announces Ace will be publishing vitriol within minutes, and Kos will soil his BVDs.

I'll admit to being a Palinista. If and when she announces, I'll be all in. If she doesn't win the nomination, I'll almost certainly support whoever is the GOP nominee. I'm a little lukewarm about Romney, but was far more disposed to support him in 2008 than either McLame or the useless Huckster.

I think everyone should just be patient. Palin will announce when and if she announces. I'd like the opportunity to support her candidacy and to vote for her, but if she is truly unelectable, as many suspect, then she won't go far in the primaries. If she does prevail in the primaries, it will go a long way toward dispelling the image many hold of her as being unelectable.

I think everyone - Palinistas and PDS'ers included, should lighten up. If she gets in,  may the better woman or man win, and then let's get get 100%  behind the winner and get rid of the sorry excuse for the president currently occupying the White House.

>>>339:  She resigned to move the agenda forward.  She took the attention off of her and put it on the issues, which have won in Alaska, AND NEARLY ALL OF HER CANDIDATES SHE CAMPAIGNED FOR IN THE LAST ELECTION.  She's got a batting average of over 80% on candidates she backed.  The Republican Party Establishment can't even boast that.

>>>That is the problem with RINOS.  Too stupid to do the math, and when they are lost in the math they crave a candidate who will capture their imagination, while they daydream, history rolls right on by.

John, again: would you vote for Rick Perry or Mitt Romney in a general election against Barack Obama?  I'm not talking about primary voting, I'm talking head-to-head vs. Obama.

Posted by: Peaches at September 06, 2011 10:49 PM (/ybwc)

No, it's more like we don't want to talk to you.  Or ace

#326: The current field of of Republican Hopefulls is incredibly weak. Not one of them can capture even a 4th grader's attention. You know it and I know it.

Posted by: John at September 06, 2011 10:47 PM (e7PU+)

Sarah Palin disagrees with you.

362:  Hey abacus genious: what is larger, 25% or ZERO.  Again, too stupid to see the math.

Posted by: K~Bob at September 06, 2011 10:57 PM (Zub8W)

I don't think my intent got across.  "Sweetie" isn't offensive.  "Sweetie" is a WTF moment.

367:  IF she runs, she will beat the Dem contender, again, it will not be Obama.  Either way, you will have to say, "Madame President".

By they way, I throw the same question back to you all.  Do you vote for "Mrs Quitter" or do you vote for a socialist?

What's it gonna be?

#379:  Name one Palin backed candidate in the last election that lost by a significant margin?

382:  Last time I checked, "Unicorns for all" Won the last election.  The difference, is that it wasn't delivered on.

Something else no one has noticed.  I never heard her say "Republican" in each of her speaches.  She blames Washington.  Again, none of you listen, yet you all scream.   Do not comment until you listen to the full speach.  NO HEARY HEARY, THEN TO TALKY TALKY.

Granted. I just think internecine warfare is silly and sucks up too much energy.  We have a SCOAMF to toss out on his ass.   There honestly shouldn't be any damn sniping at anyone with an R after their name, period.  Let them all run on their records and let people vote accordingly, then vote that JEF out of office.

That is all.

My opinion at this point is that Palin is not running, but she is dragging it out to keep the press focused on her negatives and off the negatives of the other candidates.  The less time they have to dig through the accumulated trash of the GOP candidates, the better.  Having been a victim of the media, she would know that is the best way she could help any of them. She's a smokescreen.

As soon as she announces either way, the dynamic changes and she's not as effective.

If this is true (and I think it is), the flaw in her plan is that she has no way of telling the GOP grassroots that the teasing is just a feint. 

We have a Black, Marxist, incumbent whose name is Barak HUSSEIN Obama, and we have 9.1% Unemployment, and we're sliding back into the Continuing Recession,

 but Sarah Palin is Unelectable. 

Got it.

My opinion at this point is that Palin is not running, but she is dragging it out to keep the press focused on her negatives and off the negatives of the other candidates.  The less time they have to dig through the accumulated trash of the GOP candidates, the better.  Having been a victim of the media, she would know that is the best way she could help any of them. She's a smokescreen.

As soon as she announces either way, the dynamic changes and she's not as effective.

If this is true (and I think it is), the flaw in her plan is that she has no way of telling the GOP grassroots that the teasing is just a feint. 

Posted by: grognard at September 06, 2011 11:06 PM (xMJlE)

but i've seen more media attention of the other candidates then Palin. I just think she wants them to get vetted and bruised up a little. Some here seem to really hate Palin here and I say why not let her run and fall flat on her face. Coulter and Ingraham seemed to take a jab at Perry as well at the end of this clip. They're mitt supporters.

392 reread your history please.  Palin was on numerous shows saying, "she needs to do this.....Needs to do that".

FUCK, I mind as well be on a babyboomer democratic viagra swallowing need to get an erection website from Chicago.

Fact:  Palin captures the attention of all Americans

Fact:  SHE IS ELECTABLE.

Fact:  The current field is boring as fuck, and you gulpers know it.

We have a Black, Marxist, incumbent whose name is Barak HUSSEIN Obama, and we have 9.1% Unemployment, and we're sliding back into the Continuing Recession,

 but Sarah Palin is Unelectable. 

Got it.

Posted by: Rufus at September 06, 2011 11:08 PM (J+D+J)

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I'm wondering why you felt it necessary to insert "black" in your mind-numbingly stupid comment. 

We have a Black, Marxist, incumbent whose name is Barak HUSSEIN Obama, and we have 9.1% Unemployment, and we're sliding back into the Continuing Recession,

 but Sarah Palin is Unelectable. 

Got it.

Posted by: Rufus at September 06, 2011 11:08 PM (J+D+J)

I'm wondering why you felt it necessary to insert "black" in your mind-numbingly stupid comment. 

Posted by: Y-not at September 06, 2011 11:09 PM (5H6zj)

Whatever happened to that 11th ammendment, or Commandment, or whatever?

And you can check out Coulter's adams's apple yourself. I think she's comig up on Fox soon.

Whatever happened to that 11th ammendment, or Commandment, or whatever?

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I'm pretty sure pundits and reality show stars are fair game. 

I'm pretty sure pundits and reality show stars are fair game. 

Posted by: Y-not at September 06, 2011 11:13 PM (5H6zj)

What if she runs though? SOmeone also said here that she has what 10% approval from Republicans. So why would it matter who she endorsed. Her endorsment will just end up hurting someone.

Fact:  Palin captures the attention of all Americans*

Fact:  SHE IS ELECTABLE.

Fact:  The current field is boring as fuck, and you gulpers know it.

Posted by: John at September 06, 2011 11:09 PM (e7PU+)

What Racism?  He's the First Black President.  It had never been done before. Some said it would never be done.

He has a Muslim-type name - it's 7 yrs in the wake of 9-11.

The Guy spent his life hanging out with Marxists, and Alinskyites.

He has presided over four years of a disastrous economy.

How can Anyone be "Unelectable."

Her endorcements elected people!

Sacred Honor compels me to tell you that 100% of the candidates that I endorked were successful, also.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2011 11:22 PM (nj1bB)

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Ace,

Do peeps actually do that to you in person? Just curious.

I'm tired of being called "racist" by the politically correct

Then rape more culturally diverse refuse.

Lunatic, Yep.  That's why I read you morons.  But the facts remain (even unconvincingly in no caps).  Other than you not liking her, you cannot dispute the facts.  Look at the fanatacism a "lunatic" has on someone who isn't even running.  Can Romney capture that?  Christie?  Even Perry, outside of Texas is not a household name.  Do the math.  The folks who hate Palin aren't voting conservative anyway, no matter who runs.  And Perry ain't winning Chicago or New York.

Posted by: Y-not at September 06, 2011 11:20 PM (5H6zj)

clarify on her "team". She seems to keep it tightly sealed to not let any whispers out. The lady can do retail politicking so I wouldnt count her out on moving opinion. Gallup says she has high favorables in the R party only many are thinking she might not be ready. I think if she does well in debates and a campaign she can turn heads. I'm for anyone who wants to run, run.

450:  You from Illinois?  Walsh beats Bean by less than 1,000 votes.  That's where I'm from.  This district.  Walsh was a nobody until the rise of the Tea Party.  Now he's on Fox every week.  The pundits said that Walsh was the worst run campaign in the 8th's history during the primary.

Elections are won by association.  Palin = Tea Party.  I promise that if she runs, the trash talk that went on here will give her another 15 points, just with Dem women.

Posted by: lowandslow at September 06, 2011 11:32 PM (GZitp)

we do!

Posted by: Serious Cat at September 06, 2011 11:30 PM (bAySe)

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Is Hillary running?  I can't imagine what point you're trying to make. 

470:  Romney, will loose.  Palin and simple.

Posted by: ace at September 06, 2011 11:24 PM (nj1bB)

Sound right about the 10%. In a lot of polls it shows she is in 3rd place which I think is good for an announced. Wapo has her at 14%. 8 behind romney. But I;ve seen gallup polls with her favorables in the 60s to 70s in the repub electorate recently. However, I think many republicans dont see her qualified but I think she can turn that around by actively participating in debates and stuff. She is a likable person and that can help.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 06, 2011 11:35 PM (dw7rB)

Yeah, against Harry Reid.

Posted by: Peaches at September 06, 2011 10:47 PM (/ybwc)

thanks for your kind words

480 Murkowski is the "Mayor Daley" name in Alaska.  Would a Daley loose a primary in Chicago?  No.  But Republican Murkowski did in Alaska.  At that, though, what has changed in RINO  land with Murkowski winning?

Is Hillary running?  I can't imagine what point you're trying to make. 

Posted by: Y-not at September 06, 2011 11:34 PM (5H6zj)

No other reason than just to be a smart ass. :p

Though, seriously, I wonder if some some conservative's opinion of Palin is so dim that they'd consider backing a non-Obama dem like Hillary.

I liked her fine, up until she quit her job, and also decided to go the reality TV route instead of buckling down and studying detailed policy. If she lost me, who was initially enthusiastic about her, she lost tons of people to the left of me. Which is what the polls show.

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I think she is very well versed in policy and will realease it on the campaign trail. As long as we dont nominate romney. I hate the SOB.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 06, 2011 11:35 PM (dw7rB)

I actually think this endorsement was fairly shrewd from Palin's perspective. Keeping in mind that this is after the primaries and the GOP was stuck with Angle, Palin realized that Angle's best shot at winning the race was to maximize "true conservative" turn-out. In other words, Angle herself turned off moderates and independents and had no cross-over potential, so the only potential path to victory was to make sure every self identified "very conservative" turned out. It turned out Angle wasn't going to win regardless, because she was a flake, but it's not like Palin foisted her upon the Nevada GOP or did her cause any damage by appearing with her post-primary

Horseshit, Random.  The man ain't purple, or pink; he's black.  The U.S. had never elected a purple, pink, or black man President before.  That, in my opinion, shared by more than a few, I'm sure, would have seemingly made him a longshot.

He has a Muslim-type name.  Now, you've got longshot multiplied by longshot.  Everything in his past reeked of  Communist/Socialist agenda.  He was on tape saying outrageous things like "Your Electricity Bills will Necessarily Skyrocket."  He spoke of Redistribution, ie, "Spreading the wealth around."

Longshot X Longshot X Longshot X Longshot

And, he got elected.

Posted by: DrewM. at September 06, 2011 11:44 PM (dw7rB)

ok sorry. He probably meant nominated.

Posted by: Random at September 06, 2011 11:39 PM (YiE0S)

Agree 100%.  Great post.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 06, 2011 11:50 PM (nRTou)

Palin has not started running. I wouldnt count her out. I'm biased but hey, lets get evryone who is interested running.

513500: If we trusted the polls. If they ment anything, wouldn't we be currently saying, "Thank God for President Hillary". 

The polls changed when it was revealed to Democrats that Obama was the 12th Iman.

Posted by: John at September 06, 2011 11:40 PM (e7PU+)

what was the name of the incumbent gov sarah beat in the primary?? it wasnt mayor daley was it?

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 06, 2011 11:48 PM (tqXjx)

I always see posts like this: "Palin will win people over/Palin can turn those poll numbers around." (paraphrase)

What evidence is there for this?  Palin's popularity has dropped pretty steadily since 2008. What evidence is there that she will suddenly reverse this?  And if she could, why hasn't she already?

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 06, 2011 11:52 PM (nRTou)

She was working on 2010 I reckon. I think if she is able to debate well she'll do fine. No sense hiding under your desk for 3 years ala mitt the douche.

Agree 100%.  Great post.

Posted by: robviously at September 06, 2011 11:52 PM (XYpRn)

I give up.  Take the pot. 

Would she help the ticket as the VP choice, or did they mean that she can't be voted for in any capacity? Is she only unelectable in the first slot or does she destroy anyone's chance of being elected if she is on the ticket at all ... like she did to McCain (I jest!).

What evidence is there for this?  Palin's popularity has dropped pretty steadily since 2008. What evidence is there that she will suddenly reverse this?  And if she could, why hasn't she already?

Posted by: robviously at September 06, 2011 11:56 PM (XYpRn)

I dont see the rush. She got partial blame for inciting mass murder earlier this year and many just still think of her as the lady who can see russia from her house. Relax a bit.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 07, 2011 12:01 AM (TUax9)

it is kinda offputting for someone who has whined about sexist remarks to make one isnt it?

it is kinda offputting for someone who has whined about sexist remarks to make one isnt it?

Posted by: chas at September 07, 2011 12:02 AM (xAq1C)

I don't think the grrl power shit is intended to be sexist, but it's pure identity politics and insulting in that it's extremely reductive. "Yeah looks like all the people in the GOP with balls are women!" I really don't need generalized shit like that.

Perry is my guy now. However, I think Aces has a blind spot wrt Palin, He had a tendency to make mountains out of mole hills when it comes to Palin. I guess we are all human. So even a good guy on our side like Ace can sometimes let his ego cloud his judgement (Eric Erikson is another guy). Coulter seems to have a crush on Christie these days. I am willing to support these guys. But I am honestly tired of these so called "establishment" guys. Paul Ryan is a good guy, but he will send the wrong message and will give the left a chance to demagogue the election for example. If winning the next election is important, then they wouldn't want to take a chance with Ryan for example.

What 's the point with attacking Palin now? Want to cause more ill-will on our side under the name of facing reality? Is it better just to accencuate Perry? Palin provides another line of attack for our side. Why try to undermine her?

Posted by: Random at September 07, 2011 12:03 AM (YiE0S)

I think her resume as governor is great and she did a lot of reform. But she really couldnt advance her governorship without fighting state courts for the rest of her term and going to the poor house with it.

Posted by: cherry π at September 07, 2011 12:03 AM (OhYCU)

Posted by: Random at September 06, 2011 11:56 PM (YiE0S)

Honestly, when people question her intelligence.. it really plugs me in, as an admirer.  I consider myself a bright guy, so what does it mean if someone I admire is thought of, or might be, a dummy?  Plenty of folks who've worked close to her have testified that she is intelligent.  Yes, she can be embarrassingly inarticulate at times, but I don't think that means she is not plenty smart.  She IS successful, becoming a successful Mayor at a young age and going on to win the Governorship.  Usually dummy politicians stick to the legislative branches.

Posted by: John at September 07, 2011 12:03 AM (e7PU+)

Oh by all means support the prospective candidate who continuously spouts class-warfare garbage and blind populism to take down those evil greedy corporations.

Posted by: John at September 07, 2011 12:10 AM (e7PU+)

Dude, you didn't get the new meme from C4P. Perry supporters are now cultists.

All of which is more impressive than Sarah Palin's resume ... and that's mostly her fault. She quit. No one made her.

Oh, right, Democrats made her. Well, that surely qualifies her for the Presidency!

This is so stupid! Should we waste the time to explain this stuff again?

What 's the point with attacking Palin now? Want to cause more ill-will on our side under the name of facing reality? Is it better just to accencuate Perry? Palin provides another line of attack for our side. Why try to undermine her?

Posted by: LAI at September 07, 2011 12:09 AM (voLiD)

Exactly. Why do that. She said she would announce intentions in September. Whatst the point? I do wonder if Palin does win the nod and there is a ton of caterwauling of how she is unelectable right up to novmeber with only like a 3 point deficit in the polls. Sure she has a big defiecit now but look at bachmann, last poll I believe had her under Bammie by 4. Whos to say Sarah cant do the same?

When it comes to Palin, the anti-Palin folks seem to display their cultist hate for her. We have Perry now. So move on. Come on.

Posted by: John at September 07, 2011 12:10 AM (e7PU+)

oh i want her to run! i am praying she will jump in. taht way we can get this crap behind us. the blind worship, the logical inconsistencies. you know, things like "murkowski is unbeatable in alaska" when explaining why palin's endorsement lost to a write in candidate!!

Posted by: cherry ð at September 07, 2011 12:13 AM (OhYCU)

yeah, that kinda crap is just wearing thin. the woman is a quitter not a fighter. she will not make it thru a primary much less a general. she had a chance to draw a line in the sand and fight for fixing the ethics law that was bankrupting her and she ran. can you really vote for someone that does that? how can you trust them not to run next time things get rough?

Posted by: cherry π at September 07, 2011 12:13 AM (OhYCU)

I think it is sort of unfair to say that.  What I'm gleening from all this is that people are seriously worrying about the next republican candidate.  Particularly since that person will not have fair media coverage, probably not even from fox.   Said candidate will face a well oiled, well well financed machine, talking points going out every morning like clockwork and repeated and reinforced all day by the pundits and the MSM.  the republican candidate has to win against all odds and when dealing with said machine, they change their spots, they say one thing in the morning, on tape, and then deny they said it, in the face of the tape, in the afternoon and no one says a word about it.  even saying you don't care if you get a second term is a well planned, well articulated political technique that served to rally the base who were sitting at home in mom's basement unemployed or underemployed worry about the student loans or walking to the post office to get the check or watching that paper about their pension grow exponentially while everyone's 401 k is in the crapper.

I mean is sarah up to the job?  are any of them?

Honestly, when people question her intelligence.. it really plugs me in, as an admirer.  I consider myself a bright guy, so what does it mean if someone I admire is thought of, or might be, a dummy?  Plenty of folks who've worked close to her have testified that she is intelligent.  Yes, she can be embarrassingly inarticulate at times, but I don't think that means she is not plenty smart.  She IS successful, becoming a successful Mayor at a young age and going on to win the Governorship.  Usually dummy politicians stick to the legislative branches.

These points of view are not mutually exclusive.  Winning the mayorship of Wasilla and managing it well is nice.  Winning the governorship, sure.  But Wasilla isn't New York and Alaska isn't Texas either. 

This isn't to say that I believe Palin's less apt at executive matters just because she was governor of Alaska and not another state.  I judged her on her performance on the national stage.  In that respect, she echoed good old Barry in more ways than most care to admit.  Her speeches were roof-raising and her crowds were massive (even moreso than Obama's at some points, IIRC), but when it came to hashing out the details of national policy she just seemed to fall apart at the seams.

I read her book.  I sympathized with getting thrown into the major leagues with negligent or even malicious prep from McCain's campaign.  But she's had a few years to bone up on the details like I thought she would, and she still hasn't done it. 

Look, we need to put up the best, electable candidate against Obama in 2012.

Is Palin the best conservative?  Possibly, but that is debatable.

Is Palin electable--meaning, can she defeat Obama heads-up in 14 months?  Most of the evidence out there says no, and that's considerably less open to debate than the first point.

Palin can help the cause by doing a partial Goldwater--i.e. she does not win the nomination (she probably can't anyway, BIRM), but helps pull the Republican party as a whole to the right.  Maybe in 2028 we can get Reagan redux thanks to Palin's work now, but we need to stop the bleeding now, and Palin is not strong enough a horse to bet on when you HAVE to win this race.

Palin is running for President.

She has the nerve of a cliff-diver.

She will wait until Perry gets hisself a little "vettin'."

She thoroughly intends to cut his, and Romneys' balls off with a rusty knife.

Posted by: John at September 07, 2011 12:20 AM (e7PU+)

Agree 100%.

yeah, that kinda crap is just wearing thin. the woman is a quitter not a fighter. she will not make it thru a primary much less a general. she had a chance to draw a line in the sand and fight for fixing the ethics law that was bankrupting her and she ran. can you really vote for someone that does that? how can you trust them not to run next time things get rough?

This kind of crap is wearing thin too. Palin had been hiding after resign her governorship! For 2 years she took the fight to the left when it was not popular. Now it is easy. Two years ago, Rush was criticized by some in the establishment.

Coulter is great but lately she's been questionable.  She has touted that miserable RINO Christie, so of course Ace is going loopy.  In his other posts he has distorted the South Carolina DeMint event which was superb and all the participants gave a good account of themselves, even Ron Paul confirming he is not of this earth.

Too bad Perry had to go to Texas and personally put out a massive fire.

She thoroughly intends to cut his, and Romneys' balls off with a rusty knife.

Posted by: Rufus at September 07, 2011 12:23 AM (J+D+J)

She wont cut romneys nuts off because he doesnt have any.

I dunno, maybe because the 'Nistas attacked my fucking family in the most obscenely sexually vulgar and insulting terms (and they continue to do so on occasion) when I made the terrible mistake of explaining why they, even though hardcore conservatives, really didn't like Palin.  Maybe I just got tired of reading people I loved referred to as "whores" and "sluts" and "bitches" (and far far worse) for weeks on end by the same group of rabid Palin-freaks.

Maybe that's sort of informed my understanding of how the Palin-cult operates: destroy anyone who dislikes her, and attack at the weakest and most vulnerable point, in order to shut the opposition up. 

More excuse as usual. From my personal experience here, the Palin haters give far worse insults than the Palinistas. The Palin haters couldn't wait to shut up the people who are bothered by their rabid hatred of her.

I read her book.  I sympathized with getting thrown into the major leagues with negligent or even malicious prep from McCain's campaign.  But she's had a few years to bone up on the details like I thought she would, and she still hasn't done it. 

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 07, 2011 12:22 AM (8Zpuz)

nah. She has. She has had good interviews on Libya, egypt, QE2 and all the other stuff. She sounds informed when doing interviews. She hasnt done one ina while though. Only rally speeches

More excuse as usual. From my personal experience here, the Palin haters give far worse insults than the Palinistas. The Palin haters couldn't wait to shut up the people who are bothered by their rabid hatred of her.

Posted by: LAI at September 07, 2011 12:28 AM (voLiD)

Maybe the Palinists shouldn't start shit, then.

I don't want to wade through an advocacy site. Surely you, the ultimate Palin supporter, can rattle off a few bullet-point accomplishments of the brilliantly successful Palin 2-year governorship.

Fine, we went through this already. Go ahead and support Perry. He has the best executive record out there. I am close to the point that if the establishment intentionally sabotage Perry, I will sit out this election if the "establishment" candidate win the primary.  That 's why I like Rush. He is obviously a Perry guy. But he is not stupid enough to attack Palin.

Maybe the Palinists shouldn't start shit, then.

Obviously the Palin haters should do the same at the very least!

Posted by: LAI at September 07, 2011 12:24 AM (voLiD)

right, teh whole right wing had just folded up shop and gave up. then came sarah of arc and lead us to victory!! what crap! that kinda idol worship is what leads to fake greek columns and groupies chants.

LAI, he never claimed it was anything but an excuse.  He had a bad experience, it has had an effect on his views, and he ADMITS IT.  Let's say that every day for a week you were jumped by people dressed as clowns on your way to school, who beat you and your kid sister.  Might you have a poor opinion of clowns afterwards, even if people repeatedly tell you afterwards that not all clowns are like that?

From what I've seen, both sides of the Palin argument give out a lot of abuse, there are few saints here.

right, teh whole right wing had just folded up shop and gave up. then came sarah of arc and lead us to victory!! what crap! that kinda idol worship is what leads to fake greek columns and groupies chants.

Is this great insight here or simple more crap?

Posted by: cherry π at September 07, 2011 12:31 AM (OhYCU)

I'll be honest if we only voted for the presidential race, I might be tempted to stay home out of apathy, but since I will assuredly care about a lot of down ballot races, she'd get my vote.

Posted by: LAI at September 07, 2011 12:32 AM (voLiD)

Really? I think hes been too in the tank for Palin the couple times i heard him last week.

nah. She has. She has had good interviews on Libya, egypt, QE2 and all the other stuff. She sounds informed when doing interviews. She hasnt done one ina while though. Only rally speeches

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 07, 2011 12:31 AM (tqXjx)

I don't know about that.  It used to be that a lot of people would accuse Ace/Allahpundit of not properly keeping up on Palin's media appearances but damn...if she's really doing these things I shouldn't have to be a devoted fan to notice.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 07, 2011 12:03 AM (8Zpuz)

You are really going to dig at half of a phrase in half of a sentence early in the thread, just to ask me that? Go read it if you care that much.

I'll be honest if we only voted for the presidential race, I might be tempted to stay home out of apathy, but since I will assuredly care about a lot of down ballot races, she'd get my vote.

Posted by: Oily Taints at September 07, 2011 12:35 AM (TUax9)

Really why? The mean Palinistas? Well to be fair I wont vote for Romney.

Obviously the Palin haters should do the same at the very least!

Posted by: LAI at September 07, 2011 12:33 AM (voLiD)

Really.  When has that happened?

You are really going to dig at half of a phrase in half of a sentence early in the thread, just to ask me that? Go read it if you care that much.

Posted by: K~Bob at September 07, 2011 12:36 AM (Zub8W)

Oh, I was talking to you at some point, right?

Really? I think hes been too in the tank for Palin the couple times i heard him last week.

He never attack Palin. He obviously enjoys the fact that Palin got under the left 's skin. He promoted Perry even before he announced. If you listen to Rush enough, you should have known. Rush didn't come out to endorse Perry over Palin. But you can infer that he prefer Perry over Palin, but he would defend them both.

Palin is going to run the least expensive campaign in history.  She will do it by piggy-backing onto Tea Party events.  If you've watched her "retail-politickin', no one else comes close.  She'll work a rope line till they shut the joint down.  And, she's a "publicity-gittin' machine."

And, a damned good looker.

Don't discount a good-lookin', anti-establishment Populist during the last year of what the electorate sees as a 4 yr recession.  She don't "have" to win; but she "could" win.

And hell, if you think I get over-the-top about Palin, you don't want to see me talking about Bachmann.  I only think Palin is incompetent and unqualified for the job...I think Bachmann is all those things plus quite possibly genuinely cynical and evil.  She's this cycle's Huckabee in my opinion (although actually worse).

Bachman is genuinely EVIL? This is a perfect example of the kind of garbage from the Palin haters.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at September 07, 2011 12:38 AM (5I0Yr)

I don't know, seems like that this time.

Really why? The mean Palinistas? Well to be fair I wont vote for Romney.

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at September 07, 2011 12:37 AM (tqXjx)

Mainly because I live in Texas, and if she needs my vote to win the state, she's got no chance anyway. I feel the same way about every other candidate, with the exception of Perry. 12 months from now, I'll probably be enthused about whoever the nominee is though.

I don't know about that.  It used to be that a lot of people would accuse Ace/Allahpundit of not properly keeping up on Palin's media appearances but damn...if she's really doing these things I shouldn't have to be a devoted fan to notice.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 07, 2011 12:35 AM (8Zpuz)

Well if she hops into a debate and shows she knows something other than platitudes ala Bachmann, I think her numbers can improve. I wonder how the debate will go tommorow. I really want anyone to hit romney. I hope Perry does it.

Posted by: LAI at September 07, 2011 12:39 AM (voLiD)

Rush also said it'd be great if she ran. I think he wants someone not Romney.

I don't know, seems like that this time.

Good point! Note that it is not a Palin supporter who started this thread! It is obvious before your eyes!

Rush also said it'd be great if she ran. I think he wants someone not Romney.

I agree with him. I would vote for Perry in the primary over her. But she should run. Just to piss off the left!

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 07, 2011 12:43 AM (nRTou)

Then she'll fail. It could either be fear she loses or that they're backing another candidate. The tea partiers seem to like her though, coupled with low expectations I think she could do well.

Good point! Note that it is not a Palin supporter who started this thread! It is obvious before your eyes!

Posted by: LAI at September 07, 2011 12:45 AM (voLiD)

Oh, so now just Ace posting on his own blog is just cause for Palinists to come out swinging in the comments. 

Posted by: Jeff B. at September 07, 2011 12:38 AM (hIWe1)

I don't think Bachmann's evil, but I do think she is a very convenient tool for the left to bludgeon conservatives with. Santorum too.

Oh, so now just Ace posting on his own blog is just cause for Palinists to come out swinging in the comments. 

Ace is obviously not a Palin supporter. He wrote the post so that people can comment. He can choose not to post it! Just like the Palin haters can choose not to take their cheap shots!

I don't think Bachmann's evil, but I do think she is a very convenient tool for the left to bludgeon conservatives with. Santorum too.

Again, that 's not the reason to call her EVIL. It sounds like an attack from a leftist troll.

Posted by: LAI at September 07, 2011 12:43 AM (voLiD)

Lemme guess, Daniels is just a cuckold for his whore wife and independents would never vote for a pussy like that, right? And it's not that you actually believe this, it's just a fact that this is what the media will run with.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 07, 2011 12:52 AM (nRTou)

Who is she attacking. I remember her criticizing Romney once a while ago. I dont recall anything else.

Oh, I was talking to you at some point, right?

Then don't whine about it. 

Why are you whining about it? Can we point out the facts about the Palin haters?

Who is she attacking. I remember her criticizing Romney once a while ago. I dont recall anything else.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 07, 2011 12:22 AM (8Zpuz)

I would probably vote for Romney.  Having said that, if 72% of Republicans don't want her to run, then 28% either support her, or could very possibly be won over.   I'd say, that puts her right in the middle of the pack.

Polls this early don't mean much.  Romney was on top.  Then Trump jumped to the top.  Then Bachman was the "frontrunner for a day."  Now, it's Perry's turn.  He's got some questions about Hillarycare, Border Fences, Forced Innoculations, Social Security, Bi-National Healthcare, Dream Act, etc, that he's got to answer.

Meanwhile, Sarahbaby collects her paycheck, takes an occasional bus trip, and strokes the Tea Partiers (and, gets self-organized Rallies at which to speak - With Nation Press Coverage.)

Sure is a dumb ol' piece of trailer trash.  yessirree.  Pracly too dumb to tie the laces on her running shoes (did you notice she came in 2nd in that 1/2 Marathon, Sunday?  Jes dumb as a boxarox.

Hey - can everybody relax?

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 07, 2011 01:02 AM (nRTou)

Romney is a douche no bad about that. But you said she was sniping people. That isnt sniping. And why do people think crony capitalism implies Perry. She never said Perry. It's just media stirring the pot.

Posted by: Ratcatcher at September 07, 2011 12:50 AM (E7i+5)

Posted by: Ratcatcher at September 07, 2011 01:14 AM (E7i+5)

Being a Palinista these days must feel an awful lot like being a hemophiliac in a razor blade factory.

She is obviously unelectable, so why the Palin haters keep spouting their hate?

First of all, that crony capitalism shot was leaked to the media by her people as a shot at Perry (things she often does).

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Link? I'm  sure it was just supporters saying it was but not Sarah, Sarahpac etc.

So there you have itÂ… weÂ’re all useful idiots for the Republican power elite. The TeaParty and Sarah palin are good for whipping up the crowd but, donÂ’t feel so cocky as to think you freaking matter to any of them. i give up. WeÂ’ve been used. How convenient we are when they need to sell their books and such.

I canÂ’t believe how they were so condescending and gigglly they were with their judgment. Good grief, is this how they treat other strong Republican women? Because problem is, you insult Sarah Palin, youÂ’re insulting main stream America women everywhere. You don't have to agree with Palin's approach to the  policies but, a little respect might be in order. She's fighting the good fight.

If you read between the lines, we are going to end up with Romney as the Republican Candidate. TheyÂ’re going to hand him to us on a platter. Because Republicans couldnÂ’t stand united, debate civilly, celebrate each others strengths and let every Conservative help carry the message in their own way, Obama is going to win reelection.

So much FAIL!!!!

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 07, 2011 12:06 AM "

And THIS is why I love this place.  Cheers!

Posted by: Ratcatcher at September 07, 2011 01:23 AM (E7i+5)

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 07, 2011 01:37 AM (nRTou)

Doesn't Bachmann have decent credentials as far as academics go?  Tax law isn't for the weak-minded, last I heard.  There is the matter of what schools she went to, but I thought conservatives these days were more forgiving of that than the average lefty.

Clinton has, what, valedictorian of her law school class, First Lady, Senate experience?

She was asked directly if it was a shot at Perry. She could have said "No, I was talking about President Obama". She didn't. She gave some non-answer about "wishing" all the GOP candidates felt the same.

This is mild compared to the intra-mural attacks so far. It is tame! Why can't we further this line of attack against the O regime if we are so smart?

Clinton has, what, valedictorian of her law school class, First Lady, Senate experience?

She had all that and still lost the primary in 2008. She had a lot of baggages. Those may be less important now given the disaster that O is. I would go with Susan Matinez as a VP for Perry. We need to pander to the mushy middle in any case.

Posted by: currently at September 07, 2011 01:45 AM (Hq2uB)

How, how is this "whiny." 

Ace's point is exceedingly easy to grasp.  Palin is not like any average American.  

speaking of crony capitalism, Rick Perry supported TARP for the wall street banks.

Oh wait, that was Sarah Palin.

That 's why I don't understand why we can't turn it against the O regime: GM take over, GE, stimulus ... if we are so smart.

ace hit it on the head--crony capitalism is a problem, but it is not THE problem.  In some particular order, the problems are:

1) government spending money like a drunken sailor

2) excessive government regulation

3) tax policy

4) crony capitalism that exempts the chosen ones from otherwise odious regulations

5) general decline of American values (well, not specifically a government problem, but contributing to the cause at least)

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 07, 2011 01:47 AM (nRTou)

Oh.  I thought you were talking about when she made the '08 run.  Her tenure as SoS has been okay, I guess, save the overcharge button and maybe a few other things.  Similar to Panetta, I believe.

And yes, Bachmann doesn't really have a prayer.  I always figured she was running in order to shape the conversation, not to win.

Posted by: ace at September 07, 2011 01:48 AM (nj1bB)

I think you need some sleep. Same with me and everyone here. People are way to passionate about a race not even set in stone.

Ace's point is exceedingly easy to grasp.  Palin is not like any average American.

Why not? Is is the American dream that an average American can become successful if  they work hard and follow their dreams? Nikki Halay is not an average American? She was at one point. She is a successful American now.

Are you trying to tell me that Sarah Palin didn't invent the whole "crony capitalism" thing? Nice try. Next you'll tell me Hayek warned about it or something.

Oh, that 's why "smart" people don't need to talk about it since Hayek warned about it already? Since she raised the issue, then it is bad!

The average American does not become a millionare and media star, that's the point ace is making.  The average American to aspire to be like Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin is not represntative of the average American.

The average American does not become a millionare and media star, that's the point ace is making.  The average American to aspire to be like Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin is not represntative of the average American.

Average American with talent can become what they dare to try. How many stories of immigrants who went from rags to riches? That 's the American dream. That 's what great about America. Let 's not make it into a "crime" or sth.

Posted by: Ratcatcher at September 07, 2011 01:38 AM (E7i+5)

The American  voter, this go-round, has one of two things on his/her mind:

1)  Where/How can I find a Job?

2)  Will I lose my job?

If things don't get better (and, I don't see how they possibly can) before Nov, '12, Any Republican will have a chance.

When in doubt, bet on the pretty marathoner in the open-toed shoes.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 07, 2011 01:59 AM (nRTou)

you've been pretty bitter

Posted by: LAI at September 07, 2011 01:56 AM (voLiD)

Are you trying to deploy a straw man here?

I said the average American can aspire to be like Palin, but the reality is that very few will reach that.  I said nothing about more realistic dreams or goals.  My own father reached his dreams, which were wildly successful compared to his parents, but you've never heard of him, why?  Because he's not a millionaire or media star, that's why--he's your classic middle class success story, which is admirable on its own merits.  I'd say my father is an above-average American, and he will never have the money or fame of Palin.  Ask me if I think that's a crime.

Posted by: K~Bob at September 07, 2011 02:03 AM (Zub8W)

Is it really that hard to see that the people not giving a shit about you will not give a shit if you, in turn, announce you are not giving a shit about them...

Deep thoughts, brah.

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 07, 2011 02:04 AM (nRTou)

uh huh/

Is it really that hard to see that the people not giving a shit about you will not give a shit if you, in turn, announce you are not giving a shit about them...

Deep thoughts, brah.

800+, and it's not even the ONT.  At least this kept the flamethrowing away from there.

Posted by: currently at September 07, 2011 02:20 AM (Hq2uB)

Posted by: Johnny (John E.) at September 07, 2011 03:09 AM (nRTou)

actually, it's hillarycare on steroids.

^{Posted by: Jay S at September 07, 2011 02:57 AM (AnJOE)}

For incumbents, though, the key is being under 50%.  Challengers are almost never well known to the public (Palin being a rare exception, with 90% name recognition), so they have the opportunity to increase their support by convincing those who don't know them yet.  Incumbents rarely get any of the late-deciders; if they don't have at least 50% support going in, they are in serious trouble.