1

Fisrt!

 

2 David Brooks is the epitome of the limp-wristed, east-coast, feminized, elitist liberal. Congrats Newt.

3

Frist!

(M.D.)

4

I can't spell SCOAMF either...

5 Anybody seen my wallet?

6
I'm still waiting for the non-big govt repub candidate that is not named Ron Paul.

7 Good, 'cause I wasn't done ripping on Gingrich.

8

Is Brooks self-aware enough to know he's not really a conservative, and that actual conservatives despise him as an impostor who flatters the liberal chattering class to which he actually belongs?

No.

“The government provided railroad land grants to encourage widespread adoption of what was then the most modern form of transportation to develop our country. The Homestead Act essentially gave away land to those willing to live on it and develop it. We used what were in effect public-private partnerships to bring telephone service and electricity to every community in our nation. All of these are examples of government bringing about public purposes without creating massive taxpayer-funded bureaucracies.”

Government could do a lot of that when it wasn't responsible for feeding, clothing, sheltering, schooling, employing and curing the citizenry.

9 Newt will be an unmitigated disaster as the Republican nominee.

10 " that is my own problem with Newton."

Yep. Although the singular "problem" in this case seems insufficient. It's like saying I have a problem with Michael Moore jumping into my bed one night.

11 Don't forget, I'm currently second in the King of Spades HQ poll!

12 On the Top Headline thread I was trying to figure out why someone would support Newt or Romney if they opposed the mandate in Obamacare. It's hard not to use the word "hypocrite".

13
David Brooks spent the morning in front of his mirror, playing dress-up and pretending to be Callista...

14 Is there any way I can actually vote for the sammich instead of any of the candidates?

15

I'm still waiting for the non-big govt repub candidate that is not named Ron Paul.

I asked this late in the last thread, but it might be time to recap why Paul, the most fiscally conservative candidate by far, is off limits. I remember the Truther stuff and Israel, etc. back in 2008, but since then it's just be assumed the reason is clear. I think a recap is in order.

I'm not a Paul supporter, so I don't know much about him. I'm choosing between Newt and Romney.

16 Off topic (kinda) from the Sabato web site about how it's more possible - but still not likely - for a candidate or candidates - to get into the GOP race late this time around...the primaries aren't as front-loaded as they have been in recent election cycles...I still doubt it happens, but...

http://tinyurl.com/6slgaal

17 Yes, it's true.  I agree with Newt about many things.  But his pants are a travesty.

18 Romney quotes him in debates. lol

19 I agree with Brooks;  if someone doesn't have the right haberdasher, stay away.

20 Did Brooks support Obamacare? Cap'N Trade?

21

So why am I not more excited by the Gingrich surge?

Because you're a racist, David.

(That's the all-purpose excuse now, right?  Did I get it right?  What's that you say?  White guys can't be racist?)

22
Noot's getting attacked from all angles.

He's not a conservative. He's too conservative. He's a right wing monster. He's a big government liberal. He's establishment. He's not mainstream.

23 I'm dreaming of a pasty-white-thighed Christmas.

24

Good grief. Brooks actually thinks his opinion has merit or value. And has influence. What a fool.

But then the Republicans are on the offensive also, against each other, except for Newt.

This is swiftly turning into a fiasco.

Focus on the prize, the office of POTUS.

http://zapit.nu/SCOAMF

25 Ouch! That's going to leave a mark.

26 I. Am. An idiot.

27 Do Brooks and Parker troll on conservative sites ?

28 Those that were angry and full of despair the day Obamacare passed, do you now support Newt or Mitt? How do you do that?

29
All these attacks on Newt Gingrich don't amount to a hill of beans.

Newt's biggest problem is that average people cannot relate to him.

30 First ...

31 “The government provided railroad land grants to encourage widespread adoption of what was then the most modern form of transportation to develop our country. The Homestead Act essentially gave away land to those willing to live on it and develop it. Well, the government actually had all that land. What else, exactly, were they going to do with it? It's a far cry from government borrowing money we don't have and that we have no hope of paying back to people who don't want to work to develop anything.

32 The GOP primary race reminds me of a Halloween party, except we are bobbing for turds.

33 #15 the blaming us for terrorists hating us & self depreciating Noam Chomsky style moral relativism bullshit isn't a problem for you? Dr. Paul's isolationist foreign policy and naivety of why many actors in the world want to destroy the US would be a recipe for disaster.

34 Look at American history, Gingrich continued, “The government provided railroad land grants to encourage widespread adoption of what was then the most modern form of transportation to develop our country. The Homestead Act essentially gave away land to those willing to live on it and develop it. We used what were in effect public-private partnerships to bring telephone service and electricity to every community in our nation. All of these are examples of government bringing about public purposes without creating massive taxpayer-funded bureaucracies.” _______ God damn statists. Undeveloped land is not held by government. The Homestead Act was put in place to streamline a right held by all men: to improve unclaimed land and thus make it into their own property. The government didn't create that any more then it created the right to speak or bear arms. These are intrinsic rights, held by every free individual. The railroad grants were in quite a few cases crony capitalism of the worst sort. Property rights should not be trampled on just because it gives David Brooks a chubby. As for electrifying America, Wendell Wilkie was well on the way to doing that without government. The destruction of his company by the government so they could run a socialist boondoggle is why he ran for President against that crippled little fascist in the first place. See, this distortion of history is the most powerful weapon the statists have. They take credit for things they did not due, and they ignore the fact that in almost every case of the government doing something good, it did so by destroying the private business that was already accomplishing the task at a much cheaper rate and without resorting to the use of force.

35 Posted by: Soothsayer at December 09, 2011 12:16 PM (sqkOB) ------- Kinda like Romney.

36 On the Top Headline thread I was trying to figure out why someone would support Newt or Romney if they opposed the mandate in Obamacare.

It's hard not to use the word "hypocrite".

To be fair, last I checked, the mandate is just one of many, many problems with ObamaCare, and the easiest one to challenge. There was all that 3,000 page, nobody read it, dark of night, trillion dollar, this monster is supposed to purposely collapse the system stuff, too.

37

Our country is developed now and the bromides about how we did things back in the 19th Century to develop the West don't seem all that applicable to me.  I can pretty much get anywhere in this country by plane or car.  Adding a few roads isn't going to be some great spur to development that adding one train line to a pretty much barren wilderness was when the West was being developed.  Ghetto mopes being supported by the State aren't going to take land grants to be sodbusters in Mizzoura, not that anyone wants ghetto criminals moving to their State (on that, be sure-I live in the south suburbs of Chicago and the torn down buildings of the CHA have led to the increase in crime in our areas).  Further, the comment above about our over-reaching government is spot on.  As cities on a smaller level are learning, the more nonsense you are funding, the less able you are to fulfill core functions like actually making your city safe.  Two million on an office of lgbt affairs is two million that won't be funding cops or firefighters.

38 Gingrich's solutions typically emphasize decentralization of power vs. centralization. I don't think it's accurate to characterize him as a big government conservative.

One problem at a time. The first one is to dismantle the regime of centralization of all power in Washington D.C., and return power to the states and the citizens.

Then we will have the ability to dismantle the welfare state. But that can only happen if Step 1 comes first.

39

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 09, 2011 12:16 PM (sqkOB)

And Yahoo runs a column pointing out what a moderate he was as SOTH. The dems are scared shit less of him.

40 To be fair, last I checked, the mandate is just one of many, many problems with ObamaCare, and the easiest one to challenge. There was all that 3,000 page, nobody read it, dark of night, trillion dollar, this monster is supposed to purposely collapse the system stuff, too. Yeah, that's no excuse. Gingrich and Romney both looked at the idea of a government-enforced mandate and thought it was a good idea.

41 Something that is bothering me about Newt is that Mitt is currently running to the right of Newt on Medicare. I realize it is a political move on Mitt's part but it is bothersome that Newt does not seem to understand the problem.

42
Lots of people have "other stuff" they don't like Ron Paul for, but my main reason is the world is alot smaller than he thinks it is and our national defense can't end at our borders.

But yeah, I think he is right on the domestic level and spending and definitely the Fed.  I hate the Fed.

43 First!

44

I asked this late in the last thread, but it might be time to recap why Paul, the most fiscally conservative candidate by far, is off limits. I remember the Truther stuff and Israel, etc. back in 2008, but since then it's just be assumed the reason is clear. I think a recap is in order.

Then if you do remember the "the Truther stuff and Israel" then you should know the reason.

Because Ron Paul is a crank who has judgment problems and is not firmly connected to reality.

That, and his Metamucil bill while in the WH would bankrupt the country.

 

45 The opportunity society calls not for a laissez-faire society in which the economic world is a neutral jungle of purely random individual behavior, but for forceful government intervention on behalf of growth and opportunity.

And that all depends upon what one's definition of "forceful" is, doesn't it, Newt? So, on "forcefulness scale" of 1 to 10, with 10 being Barack Obama, you're what? 8.5?

46

Completely OT, but hey!  Can we get a flaming skull thread about the NLRB dropping the South Carolina case against Boeing?  BOOYAH!  Score one for the good guys!

(link to Weasel Zippers)

47
And Yahoo runs a column pointing out what a moderate he was as SOTH.

That piece is directed at us conservatives. Tomorrow they'll run a piece aimed at independents and moderates about how Newt is an extremist.

It's a good plan, actually, because people hear what they want to hear.

48 Newt has told us over and over again who he truly is, the problem is some of us aren't listening because we like to hear him go after Obama.  Even recently he said plainly it makes no sense to do anything that isn't "popular".  He jumps on any bandwagon that he deems as "popular", like climate change, and avoids the tough decisions like entitlement reform because that isn't "popular".

49 Yes, but Brooks isn't self-aware enough to realize that conservatives don't pay attention to him unless he bashes a Republican, so...memory hole.

Brooks is one of these guys who thinks that the second his column is published, everyone rushes to the watercooler to discuss it.

50 "Of all the major Republicans, the one who comes closest to my worldview is Newt Gingrich. Despite his erratically shifting views and odd phases, he continually returns to this core political refrain: He talks about using government in energetic but limited ways to increase growth, dynamism and social mobility." - David Brooks Well, that pretty much shitcans Newt. Up next... John Huntsman?

51 It's heartening that the criticisms of Perry are pretty easy to get over. I'm hoping he wins this thing. No one is convincing me to throw out my principles and vote for Newt or Romney. If anyone has a convincing case, please make it. Because right now, I just can't hold my nose.

52 Ah yes Newt, for nothing says a conservative to me like making out with Nancy Pelosi on that couch while muttering about climate change... My eyes still haven't fully recovered from *that* scene...

53

David Brooks is a pussy, but for a pussy he sure knifed Gingrich pretty hard.

Practically ever sentence in that column is a masterpiece of handcrafted assassination.  I mean, Gingrich wanted to install giant mirrors in orbit to replace streetlights? WTfrickingF.

54 He jumps on any bandwagon that he deems as "popular", like climate change, and avoids the tough decisions like entitlement reform because that isn't "popular". ------ 1000+

55 34 Posted by: Britt at December 09, 2011 12:18 PM (8VTeN)

+1
Well said!

56

Well, that pretty much shitcans Newt. Up next... John Huntsman?

Well if you hate Newt, you'll REALLY hate Jon Huntsman.

Of course, if Huntsman's visibility rises then he'll get a good hard vetting by the MFM.

Maybe we'll get breathless BS stories about his daughters trolling BDSM clubs in New York.

....

BRB.  Bunk.

57 David doesn't like the crease of Newtie's pants

58 Well CJ, you have the truther stuff, you have the antisemitism, you have the overt racism from his newsletter, you have the fact that when a house symbolic resolution came down the turnpike criticizing China's human rights record, he sat on his hands and the fact hes done nothing of import in his House career, indeed while he rails against earmark, somehow they still get sent to his district. And you have the fact he's currently running on total isolationism and backing the Al-Quada line that if we just pulled back, they would leave us alone, and like Trump he too has put out feelers for a third party spoiler run. Heck at this point Herr Doktor Ron Paul has me looking at his son with a suspcious eye too, even though i tend to like what Rand says

59 Yep, Brooks is just trying to sabotage Newt. Cmon its obvious that Brooksi is in love with Willards pants.

60
btw, Pelosi never planned on releasing any info from secret hearings.

She blabbed for one reason: to plant a seed of poison in people's minds.

That's how Democrats do. They say shit, any shit, to cloud people's minds.

61
I don't get the electability argument around here mostly.  If whoever the repub nominee is loses, I guess 90% of us will get to say "shoulda went with my guy".

62 On the Top Headline thread I was trying to figure out why someone would support Newt or Romney if they opposed the mandate in Obamacare. That's why I support Rick Perry. His support of mandates is limited to injecting all girls with Liquid Whore, creating a sub-race of hot sluts whose testimony in court will be inadmissible due to mental retardation.

63 Newt or Mitt = 4 more years of Obama.

64 Maybe we'll get breathless BS stories about his daughters trolling BDSM clubs in New York. What, no truck stops on the New Jersey Turnpike?

65 See, this distortion of history is the most powerful weapon the statists have. They take credit for things they did not due, and they ignore the fact that in almost every case of the government doing something good, it did so by destroying the private business that was already accomplishing the task at a much cheaper rate and without resorting to the use of force.

Posted by: Britt at December 09, 2011 12:18 PM (8VTeN)

They beat you, rape you, rob you and toss a quarter to your body lying prone on the sidewalk and then ask you to thank them for the spare change.

66 That's why I support Rick Perry. His support of mandates is limited to injecting all girls with Liquid Whore, creating a sub-race of hot sluts whose testimony in court will be inadmissible due to mental retardation. ----- Exactly. Sadly, there was an opt-out. That was the only flaw.

67 That's why I support Rick Perry. His support of mandates is limited to injecting all girls with Liquid Whore, creating a sub-race of hot sluts whose testimony in court will be inadmissible due to mental retardation. Posted by: Empire of Jeff at December 09, 2011 12:27 PM (0yt4x) That's hawt. Can I have a 12 pack of those, to go?

68 That's how Democrats do. They say shit, any shit, to cloud people's minds.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 09, 2011 12:27 PM (sqkOB)

Nancy Pelosi is The Shadow?

Well, I know Alec Baldwin is, or at least he was in that shit movie.

69 It's a good plan, actually, because Newt is all over the map from second to second

70 60
btw, Pelosi never planned on releasing any info from secret hearings.

She blabbed for one reason: to plant a seed of poison in people's minds.

That's how Democrats do. They say shit, any shit, to cloud people's minds.

Posted by: Soothsayer at December 09, 2011 12:27 PM (sqkOB)

Of course, the fact that she is just about the stupidist arm waving bitch in the Solar System doesn't help her credibility.

71 I like Newt because I think he can beat Obama. I like the conservatives in the House of Representatives because I think they'll force Newt to be conservative. Simple as that.

72 you can't think that you can force newt to be more conservative.....

73 Rick Perry, Bitch!

74 I like the conservatives in the House of Representatives because I think they'll force Newt to be conservative. ----- Afraid Newt won't stick to conservatism if the Dems reclaim Congress in 2014?

75 Gingrich is a progressive statist, so it makes sense.

76 When David bespeaks of social mobility, he really knows what he's talking about.

77 Newt or Mitt Obama = 4 more years of Obama.

78

What, no truck stops on the New Jersey Turnpike?

That would give me a whole new appreaciation for the Molly Pitcher Rest Area at Exit 8

79 "creating a sub-race of hot sluts"

Hey, that was my idea!

80

Brooks says " As nearly everyone who has ever worked with him knows, he would severely damage conservatism and the Republican Party if nominated. He would severely damage the Hamilton-Theodore Roosevelt strain in American life. "

I do not think Mr Brooks was equivocating, nor hiding his absolute disdain for Gingrich. I think he made it clear, as he will with every other Republican candidate who is not certified as RINO, of named Huntsman.  

81

Note, two of the three things Newt talked about, where about the Government 'giving' away land.... land that the Government should not have owned in the first place... land that belongs to THE PEOPLE.

And once that land was 'given' to the people, it became prosperous.... thus it was not a Government program, but letting the people have their own F'n property, which made those 'program' successful.

Newt is smart.... but he a Pro Government Progresive... he just wants to tell us what to do more cheaply than the Dems...

82 "In the first place, Gingrich loves government more than I do."

Yeah, that kind of catty thing is obviously meant to harm Gingrich.

Why?  Because the liberals love Romney.  And for some reason, some of Romney's fans seem to take this stuff a lot more personally and are willing to go the extra mile.

83 A while back someone said that David Brooks was the Washington Generals to the Leftard media's Harlem Globetrotters.  His role is to make a game of it, but in the end he must lose while making the Globetrotters look good.

Brooks has a role to play at the New York Ties, and that is the Leftard House Loser.  Who cares what he says.

84 He's not a conservative. He's too conservative. He's a right wing monster. He's a big government liberal. He's establishment. He's not mainstream.

Looks attractive!

85

Newt will get totally flayed by the media in the general election, if he's our nominee. ....That's the biggest problem I see.

By the time the media gets through with slicing and dicing Newt, too many people will stay home rather than vote for him.....even moreso than what happened with McCain. It won't be pretty.

Newt has some great ideas. But he would be a disaster as the nominee.

I'm still rooting for a Perry comeback. ....The things that conservatives are ripping him for are things that the libmedia won't even bring up. ....He's a 'dumb cowboy'? -- Well, he was smart enough to do things that stimulated job creation, so how come Mr. Harvard law degree isn't smart enough to figure it out?

86

Let's see, Newt would like to effectively use a limited de-centralized federal government and Ace has a problem with that?  I know, I know, Ace likes Perry's record as Governor of his state, like dropping his state's graduation rate to the bottom, one of the few things a Governor should be taking care of so that the Feds don't have to.  Romney's not so fantastic economic record in MA, compared to other states at the time is another big highlight.

I would take Newt's revolution complete with the balanced budget at the federal level anyday vs. these clowns whose only hope is to lop off a few percentage points off the annueal deficit.

87 That's how Democrats do. They say shit, any shit, to cloud people's minds. Posted by: Soothsayer at December 09, 2011 12:27 PM (sqkOB) Yup. Just like saying Gardisil causes mental retardation. Oh, wait...

88 So what Newt supporters are saying is they can support a mandate-loving statist as long as they're Republican and sound good. Got it.

89 Not-Romney, Not-Newt, Not-Huntsman...

I think the candidate we're looking for is Not-Running.

Days like this, it's hard not to conclude we've been betrayed by the lot of 'em.

90 Is it me or my browser?  Everything on this post from headline to last comment is in italics.

91
I'm kinda glad Pelosi opened her rotten face hole.

I want Republicans such as Newt and Scott Brown to learn that playing nice-nice with Democrats is a bad idea.

Scott Brown voted for that stupid Wall Street reform bill. But he's still being attacked as Wall Street's candidate.

Newt thought it'd be a good idea to endorse an idiotic left wing policy with the biggest idiot in the Democrat party. Pelosi repaid Newt by slandering him with talk of secrets and skeletons.

92 Bold ital.

93 On a more serious note, David is the guy who described Jugears as "Burkean." He's the perfect man for our Times--a poseur.

94 But he ends with not supporting Gingrich!
.......................

Gingrich, who seems to have walked straight out of the 1960s. He has every negative character trait that conservatives associate with Â’60s excess: narcissism, self-righteousness, self-indulgence and intemperance. He just has those traits in Republican form.

As nearly everyone who has ever worked with him knows, he would severely damage conservatism and the Republican Party if nominated. He would severely damage the Hamilton-Theodore Roosevelt strain in American life.

...............
He's just like me, but even I don't want him as President! Yikes!

95 @ 9 Newt Mitt will be an unmitigated disaster as the Republican nominee.
@ 63 Newt or Mitt = 4 more years of Obama.

Fixed it for ya. Newt has actually shrunk government and balanced a budget. Mitt created the blueprint for Obamacare with Romneycare and is on the record telling liberals he is the candidate for them.

Sorry but there are stark differences between newt and Romney and there are precious few differences between Romney and the SCOAMF. Facts are a stubborn thing in that like them or not those are the facts.

96

Days like this, it's hard not to conclude we've been betrayed by the lot of 'em.

There's always Buddy Roemer!

97 In the first place, Gingrich loves government more than I do.

Unpossible!

98 I'm still waiting for the non-big govt repub candidate that is not named Ron Paul

I'd be happy with Ron Paul if he'd ditch the "America is an imperialist nation that brought 9/11 on itself" nonsense.

99 There's always Buddy Roemer!

...

/turns to minions

Release the hounds.

100 In fairness to Newt... He DID lead the GOP to control of the House for the first time in two generations, and he did force Clinton's hand on welfare reform. Weird pronouncements occasionally coming out of his overly-fed mouth aside, he forwarded the conservative cause more than any politician since Reagan. Hell, in retrospect, he was possibly the LAST politician to actually forward conservatism since Reagan.

101 If we're looking for simplistic parallels then we can cite Romney's dozen-plus vetoes of Mass. Health care reform vs. Perry issuing an Executive Order re: Gardasil.
The opt-out aside, why the rush to impose an Executive mandate? Was there some sort of big push from a special interest group (presumably on the Left?) that compelled him, or what?

102

'If anyone has a convincing case, please make it.'

 

There is none. If the Illinois primary still means anything in march I guess I am voting for Perry.

103 Posted by: Occam's Razor at December 09, 2011 12:34 PM (lcwvr) --- Newt supported the mandate and climate change.

104
I am rooting for Gen. Eric Republican (retired).

I like my prez to be a military man.  And he can win.

105 I vote "totally unself-conscious" and think that Brooks really thinks this will help Newt out. Why? Because David Brooks, that's why.

106 You know, it's Friday.  Can't we have a nice, soothing, non-controversial thread about zoning laws, or how much better Linux is than anything else or whether Lucas should be sodomized by rabid wolves vs. trampled to death by Twihards?

107 The opt-out aside, why the rush to impose an Executive mandate? Was there some sort of big push from a special interest group (presumably on the Left?) that compelled him, or what? ---- It was to help prevent a certain kind of cancer. It would bug me if there was no opt-out. Opt-out means it's not really a mandate.

108 "Gingrich, who seems to have walked straight out of the 1960s. He has every negative character trait that conservatives associate with Â’60s excess: narcissism, self-righteousness, self-indulgence and intemperance. He just has those traits in Republican form." What about stoned naked hippie chicks with big, bouncing boobs willing to do the nasty with anything with at least a pair of legs? Does he have those??

109 So. in some ways Newt is Romney in an uglier package. So what? He is still NOT ROMNEY. Thats a big plus right there.

110 The media already dragged out the Gingrich Whole Stole Christmas meme, and someone who screwed Newt 34 years ago suddenly found out he's a public figure.  Meanwhile, Obama floats above all vetting of his past. If you don't have cable or internet, you know squat.

111
Rick Perry led me on by touching his hair.

best,

112 So what? Posted by: maddogg at December 09, 2011 12:38 PM (OlN4e) ------- Pay attention.

113 106 You know, it's Friday. Can't we have a nice, soothing, non-controversial thread about zoning laws, or how much better Linux is than anything else or whether Lucas should be sodomized by rabid wolves vs. trampled to death by Twihards? Posted by: alexthechick at December 09, 2011 12:37 PM (VtjlW) Alex, are you feeling alright? How could you leave boobs off that list??

114 Then why rescind the order and call it a mistake? He flip-flopped on whether to fight cancer?

115
So what Newt supporters are saying is they can support a mandate-loving statist as long as they're Republican and sound good. Got it.
Posted by: Joffen




See: Evil, Lesser of Two

116
It's not too late to join me in making the Righteous & Harmonious Fists party.

117

Alex, are you feeling alright?

How could you leave boobs off that list??

My God, you're right.  It's like I don't even know me anymore. 

118 I'm holding judgment until I see who gets the coveted T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII endorsement.

119 I'd vote for a burlap sack of shit before I'd vote for Romney, and Newt reminds me of a burlap sack of shit.

120 this monster is supposed to purposely collapse the system stuff, too. --------------------------------------------- And it's going to work. My current client is a (non-profit) health insurance company, and the muckity-mucks are scrambling to find ways to "re-engineer" and "re-imagine" the business so that they can continue to exist. I suspect, though, that deep down inside they know it's not going to work, and their long term plans probably involve becoming part of the government.

121 Then why rescind the order and call it a mistake? He flip-flopped on whether to fight cancer? IIRC He said he went about it the wrong way. He didn't have to impose a mandate.

122 or how much better Linux is than anything else Do you realize what you've just done?

123

Then if you do remember the "the Truther stuff and Israel" then you should know the reason.

Really? I remember Ace referencing it, in 2008, not the details and not recently. And I recall it being more about his supporters than him. It seems there were a few really awful things he did to disqualify himself, it's just that no one has spelled it out in a long time.

124

Do you realize what you've just done?

It's better than Purity Wars 4:  It's Been Broughten. 

125 See: Evil, Lesser of Two Not when there's still a good third option...

126 Maybe this is a good time for a Horsey Women discussion. Jessica Sarah Parker: Woof or Hoof? Discuss.

127 Oh, you pathetic cretins.  You'll never understand nuance.  You'll never comprehend how hard your betters work to save you from yourselves.  You'll never appreciate a knife-sharp crease in a pair of pants or a mirror-shine on a pair of shoes.  Huff and growl in your squalor as you will - it makes no difference.  The mighty and the media will select your next overlord. 

128

There is none. If the Illinois primary still means anything in march I guess I am voting for Perry.

Posted by: GMB
...........
As will I.

129 One thing Newt has going for him is that if he becomes the President, it'll make lefties' heads asplode. Most of my lefty friends worked up a pretty good tank of hate for him during the Clinton administration. I won't vote for Romney in the primary because I live in MA and saw his governing style up close. At this point I'm leaning Newt, but I'm still open to others. I will vote for the R in the general, whoever it is (even RP) because I don't think the country can survive another four years of the SCOAMF.

130 Jessica Sarah Parker: Woof or Hoof? Discuss.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 09, 2011 12:45 PM (niZvt)

Given the choice twixt Bowser and Seabiscuit, I'd have to go Seabiscuit.

131

Note, two of the three things Newt talked about, where about the Government 'giving' away land.... land that the Government should not have owned in the first place... land that belongs to THE PEOPLE.

Given that the translation of most Indians' names for their own tribes mean "The People," I have to say that you are correct. Otherwise, if the government stole, conquered, or bought the land, why would it automatically be available for private ownership instead of remaining public property?

132 OurDreamCandidate>Newt>Obama

133 Christine O'Donnel is better than Linux.

134

So Teddy Roosevelt was a conservative? And all this time I thought he was a big-government progressive. It's a good thing we have David Brooks around to clear things up for us.

135 51 It's heartening that the criticisms of Perry are pretty easy to get over. I'm hoping he wins this thing. No one is convincing me to throw out my principles and vote for Newt or Romney. If anyone has a convincing case, please make it. Because right now, I just can't hold my nose. Posted by: Joffen at December 09, 2011 12:24 PM (zLeKL) I like Perry, too. But all I'll say is some Palin fans think she's still going to get in the race.

136 I'd vote for Obama over Ron Paul.

137 Newt's main competitor, Romney, is not as electable as we've been told by the elites.

138 The best description of Teddy Roosevelt is Loose Cannon.

139 Every Republican but Romney must be tied to the Tree of Woe.

140 Gingrich does not have a impressive crease in his pants. I will not voting for him based on this fact.

141

Maybe Newt was bullied and picked on when he was a kid....I dunno. But he seems to get all slap-happy and drunk with praise, when someone is laying it on thick. And that is when he starts running off at the mouth, saying stoopid stuff.

Newt has had the last 12 years to prepare for this. ....Yet he has made his fair share of gaffes, if you can call them that. His remarks about "right-wing engineering" and "poor people have no work ethic" should be show-stoppers.

I simply do not understand how people can be so forgiving of the long list of Newt's things-to-be-forgiven-for.....but are unwilling to forgive much of anything regarding Rick Perry.

142

 you can't think that you can force newt to be more conservative.....

We've talked here before about corralling the next president with a veto-proof Tea Party Pubbie Congress (IIRC).

Neut would be rather easy to contain. Mitt, I'm not so sure about. Perry would lead the effort.

The SCOAMF would be very nearly self-defeating due to the popcorn factor. The entire country would be rapt and unable to work while he has the breakdown that he would surely have (and deserve) as his reign of error is dismantled before his eyes.

143

Well CJ, you have the truther stuff, you have the antisemitism, you have the overt racism from his newsletter, you have the fact that when a house symbolic resolution came down the turnpike criticizing China's human rights record, he sat on his hands and the fact hes done nothing of import in his House career, indeed while he rails against earmark, somehow they still get sent to his district. And you have the fact he's currently running on total isolationism and backing the Al-Quada line that if we just pulled back, they would leave us alone, and like Trump he too has put out feelers for a third party spoiler run. Heck at this point Herr Doktor Ron Paul has me looking at his son with a suspcious eye too, even though i tend to like what Rand says

OK, it's coming back to me. I'm generally skeptical of anti-semitism and racism charges, and I'm not a fan of symbolic resolutions, but I'm not for complete international disengagement.  

144 But all I'll say is some Palin fans think she's still going to get in the race. Posted by: chique d'afrique

♪♫ They say that quitting quitting is the hardest thing to dooo♪♫

145 I think we all suspect that no matter who Brooks claims he's in love with for the Repub nomination (is it Mitt or Huntsman? - like I care), he'll still go for the perfectly creased pants in the end.

146 /loads crossbow

Come get me, you punks.

147 I'd vote for Obama over Ron Paul. ------------------------------------- Serously? For all his faults, at least RP wants to reduce the size of the federal government. I don't think it'd be possible for him to get any of his crazier ideas to fly, and I don't get the feeling that he's like the JEF in the sense that he'd just do it by executive fiat if Congress doesn't go along. I'm not saying RP is my guy - far from it - but I think it's SO IMPORTANT to get the JEF out of office that I'd tolerate four years of RP.

148 It was a mandate so that insurance companies would cover it in their vaccine package. If we didn't have the f'd up health care system we have now where the insurance company is essentially the doctor it wouldn't even be an issue. He wouldn't have had to do it.

149 What about that new New York magazine article by Frum? Another alleged conservative that's really sick of "The GOP nearly forced America to the verge of default just to score a point in a budget debate. In the throes of the worst economic crisis since the Depression, Republican politicians demand massive budget cuts and shrug off the concerns of the unemployed. In the face of evidence of dwindling upward mobility and long-stagnating middle-class wages, my partyÂ’s economic ideas sometimes seem to have shrunk to just one: more tax cuts for the very highest earners."

150 Newt's main competitor, Romney, is not as electable as we've been told by the elites.

...and some of us figured that out long ago, thanks a bunch.

151 I'm still holding fast for Perry, but in the end, ABO dammit, even Luap Nor.

Embrace the Suck.

152 I simply do not understand how people can be so forgiving of the long list of Newt's things-to-be-forgiven-for.....but are unwilling to forgive much of anything regarding Rick Perry. Posted by: wheatie.....aka ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at December 09, 2011 12:50 PM (HvKWW) Yes, please explain people.

153 Ok, listen up 'cause I'm not going to repeat myself. We need a radical change of course from Obamaism and Boil-The-Frog McCainWGHWism or the country is DOOMed.

1. Mittens is not going to deliver it--he is a tool who has no compass other than"good management." So we will efficiently continue to slide into socialist hell.

2. Ron Paul is not going to deliver it--he will be marginalized by DC, just as he has been marginalized throughout his career, and never get his ideas implemented.

3. Rick Perry is not going to deliver it--he's a fairly conventional pol with a conservative bent, but D.C. is such that people with this profile get captured pretty easily. W was a prime example, and even if Perry would not be a repeat performance of W, he will be perceived as such.

4. Santorum is a whiny little boy.

5. Huntsman is a smarmy, snarky prick.

6. Bachmann is batshit crazy.

7. Johnson is probably the best candidate with the best record but has not been able to get traction and/or invitations to the debates.

Gingrich, for all his numerous faults, for better or worse, is a visionary, who deeply understands and agrees with the American experiment with freedom. No, he's not pure, but with Gingrich, we WILL get a radical change of course, which in my view, is the best chance to stop the continuous slide into Euro-socialism.

Brooks can eat me.

154
Every Republican but Romney must be tied to the Tree of Woe.
Posted by: SomeSay





Then cut down the tree, whittle a 4x4 fence post from it, and beat Mitt senseless....

155

How could you leave boobs off that list??

Yeah!

Perhaps a nice music thread (preferably pre-80's), recipes, or how to color in that spot of Ewok fur that was turned that funky orange color after the Valu-Rite shot got spilled by accident?

Ohh, I have it! More dating tips.

156 CJ:

"I'm generally skeptical of anti-semitism and racism charges"

What if the anti-semitism and racism comes from his own 1990s newsletter, of which he was the editor of, his name on the masthead, and then Paul is forced to deny he had any idea those racist articles were in his newsletter, and that he has no idea who wrote them?

Note:

None of the newsletters CNN found says who wrote them, but each was published under Paul's name between his stints as a U.S. congressman from Texas.

157

148.... It was a mandate so that insurance companies would cover it in their vaccine package.

If we didn't have the f'd up health care system we have now where the insurance company is essentially the doctor it wouldn't even be an issue. He wouldn't have had to do it.

Exactly. ....He did it to save people money. Which is the underlying theme of everything that Perry has done....even back when he was a Democrat.

Perry has been a consistent conservative throughout his whole career.

158 I have formulated a plan for the primary (and it really doesn't matter since this thing is likely to be decided by the time I vote in March).

1st choice: Perry if he's still in and hasn't imploded a la Herman Cain.

2nd choice: Newt. The least repulsive of the progressives.

Other than that I might just make some silly protest vote or write in.

159 All the candidates with a real chance have more than a whiff of the Socialism-Done-Right.  I don't see how we avoid some disappointment.

160 "Gingrich, for all his numerous faults, for better or worse, is a visionary." This is what worries me.

161

David Brooks can't be completely unaware of how he is viewed by genuine conservatives since some of us right-of-center types troll the daylights out of the comment threads in his online columns whenever we get a chance. His more insipid essays are like chum to sharks.

Brooks knows what we think of him, so yes, it was a hit job on Newt Gingrich. Thing is, there is a great deal of truth in his Gingrich hit job--as there is always a great deal of truth in any Gingrich hit job. Gingrich is no conservative and can't be argued as the conservative alternative to Mitt Romney. Gingrich does believe in big government solutions and likes the idea of modern-day Platonic Philospher Kings (like himself) running things. Gingrich is a draft-dodging, philandering slimeball with delusions of grandeur. But hey, he's our draft-dodging, philandering slimeball with delusions of grandeur.

162 Wow, so Brooks is going to tell us what a real conservative is and support Romney. Ah ha ha ha demasiado chistoso Brooks! Listen Brooks the problem with Romney in a football sense is this, he plays prevent defense all game long and has no heart on offense. Everyone wants to play to win buddy but your guy is pathetic that he needs the refs to help him win.

163

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, working towards full Curmudgeonhood at December 09, 2011 12:50 PM (d0Tfm)

The President pretty much gets to pick his staff...

And as a very smart Admiral once told me, 'Staff IS Policy'.

Note that this current administration has pretty much ignored the will of the people, and CONGRESS, because they have the POWER to do so... why do you think that a Repbulican President would weild LESS power?  The Precedent is set...

There is NO current limit to Federal Power... Congress can only do it through the Purse... but they won't... and the Courts will only do so at 'their convenience' (as we saw with the Supreme Courts decision NOT to hear the Donifioro 'can a Dual Citizen be a Natural Born Citizen case', PRE election).

Newt, who thinks he is smartet than the rest of us, would use that power 'for our own good'... as he IS a Statist... he just wants us to do what HE wants, vice what the Dems want...

164 I like Perry, too. But all I'll say is some Palin fans think she's still going to get in the race.

Yup.  It'll be either Newt or Mitt, so all the pronouncements about voting for Perry or not voting at all are just another way of saying you'll leave the decision to others. 

165

Forget about whether Newt is really "conservative." It's a silly argument.

The deal is this: Gingrich can attract votes in  a General Election with his speeches and debates. But he will be a pinata when it comes to negative ads that draw on his many controversial statements. In fact, Obama's best debate strategy will be to turn every question into an attack on a Newt quote.

That's it, at this point...Romney, uninspiring but noncontroversial, won't get out the GOP votes but won't inspire liberals to vote, either. VS Gingrich, inspiring speeches and debates who can stir both the conservative and liberal bases.

 

166

3. Rick Perry is not going to deliver it--he's a fairly conventional pol with a conservative bent, but D.C. is such that people with this profile get captured pretty easily. W was a prime example, and even if Perry would not be a repeat performance of W, he will be perceived as such.

I think you give Salamander too much credit. I distinctly remember thinking that he had been seduced by a considerable amount by the DC culture. Even he admitted that rather than changing Washington, Washington changed us (meaning himself and the other signees of the CWA.

167 Also note, CJ:

In some excerpts, the reader may be led to believe the words are indeed from Paul, a resident of Lake Jackson, Texas. In the "Ron Paul Political Report" from October 1992, the writer describes carjacking as the "hip-hop thing to do among the urban youth who play unsuspecting whites like pianos."

The author then offers advice from others on how to avoid being carjacked, including "an ex-cop I know," and says, "I frankly don't know what to make of such advice, but even in my little town of Lake Jackson, Texas, I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense. For the animals are coming."

168 I don't see how we avoid some disappointment. ----------------------------------- We can't. However, Step 1 is "Remove the SCOAMF." Anyone is better. Step 2 is "Try to get the financial bleeding under control." Newt, Mitt, and Perry are all capable of this. Step 3 is "Start pruning the Jungle of Regulation." I think Newt or Perry would be inclined to at least make a few runs in this direction. Everything else is conservitive wish-list stuff that we're not going to get from any of these jackwagons.

169 Perry krishna, krishna krishna, Perry rama, rama krishna...

Better theme song -
Butthole Surfers: Perry
He should run with that one.

170 106 You know, it's Friday.  Can't we have a nice, soothing, non-controversial thread about zoning laws, or how much better Linux is than anything else or whether Lucas should be sodomized by rabid wolves vs. trampled to death by Twihards?

Posted by: alexthechick at December 09, 2011 12:37 PM (VtjlW)

Well, I think Lucas should be sodomized by wolves in a business district while installing Debian, but then that's pretty uncontroversial around here.

171 Look, I admit Gingrich is mercurial. But I would rather have someone who understands at a very deep level what the Founders were trying to do, instead of the recent crowd, which thinks that they are supposed to "rule" us.

This to me is the key point of Gingrich. Conservatives instinctively understand this about him and are responding to it, despite his drawbacks.

The British knew very well what they were getting when they called Churchill back--he'd been a (sometime obnoxious) fixture of parliament for 30 years. Yet when the chips were down, they held their noses and voted him in because they were in crisis. And it was the right decision.

172 On Election Day, I will crawl through broken glass, molten lava, muriatic acid, even Al Gore's bed if that's what it takes to get to the polls and vote for the republican. 

173 I think you give Salamander too much credit. I distinctly remember thinking that he had been seduced by a considerable amount by the DC culture. Even he admitted that rather than changing Washington, Washington changed us (meaning himself and the other signees of the CWA.

So he's recognized it and publicly admitted it. That sounds like learning.

174

But I would rather have someone who understands at a very deep level what the Founders were trying to do, instead of the recent crowd, which thinks that they are supposed to "rule" us.

You'd rather have someone who "understands at a very deep level what the Founders were trying to do" and then doesn't do it?

Jus' askin'

And yes, Newt's my guy.  But even I realize that sortcoming of his.

I'm thinking that once ni office, he'd at least be smart enough to appoint adults to those cabinet positions he doesn't much care about.  And then those adults would lay waste to their agencies. 

But I could be wrong there too.

175

On Election Day, I will crawl through broken glass, molten lava, muriatic acid, even Al Gore's bed if that's what it takes to get to the polls and vote for the republican. 
Posted by: kathysaysso at December 09, 2011 01:06 PM (ZtwUX)

I salute your bravery.  I'm sure he'll save a chakra for you.

I'm only willing to swim through 5 miles of shark-infested urine to vote against the SCOAMF.

176 So he's recognized it and publicly admitted it. That sounds like learning.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at December 09, 2011 01:09 PM (kPT11)

We better hope so.

177 Nice try Brooksie, but I've already got this all sewn up.

178 Brooks thinks he's on Survivor Island or something.  I guess he imagines he's clever enough to endorse Newt in the primary so he can endorse Barry over Mittens in the general.

I suppose that passes for clever in some circles.

179

Sorry but there are stark differences between newt and Romney

Like, Romney is a RINO too, but at least he's not a loon who thinks that every word he speaks is GENIUS.

 

180

Random,

One newsletter, from June 1992, right after the LA riots, says "order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks."

An awful crack. Bad humor, but coming on the heels of the racism-fueled violence of the riots, I'm not going get too upset. Do you really think he wrote that? I don't.

Another says, "The criminals who terrorize our cities -- in riots and on every non-riot day -- are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are.

True.

As children, they are trained to hate whites, to believe that white oppression is responsible for all black ills, to 'fight the power,' to steal and loot as much money from the white enemy as possible."

A crude overgeneralization, but, sadly, not without some truth. And in the wake of the horrific Reginald Denny assault, understandable.

Martin Luther King Jr. -- described as a "pro-Communist philanderer."

Again, true. It would be surprising if a Dr./Former-Future Congressman took the time to write such a newsletter. Regardless, the "racist" charge is weak, based on this report. Better to slam him on his hyper-isolationist policy.

181

Oey Vey, why do I think that had Brooks endorsement been of Rick Skerry, who just publicized his religon, values, blahblahblah it would be all Hozannas to the highest and greatistist comeback of all time for the Rickster.

Disclosure, I am not 100% sold on newt, but by God he seems the only won to douche flush the conventional RINO wisdom and go all ass kickin on the Lyin kINg whilst upholding Reagans 11th commandment, and that might be enough in this sad sack excuse of a clown posse to get my vote.

182

Look, I admit Gingrich is mercurial. But I would rather have someone who understands at a very deep level what the Founders were trying to do

 

Apparently the Founders were trying to let Medicare bankrupt the country and prevent socialist Congressmen like Ryan from balancing the budget.  Who knew?

183 In some excerpts, the reader may be led to believe the words are indeed from Paul, a resident of Lake Jackson, Texas. In the "Ron Paul Political Report" from October 1992, the writer describes carjacking as the "hip-hop thing to do among the urban youth who play unsuspecting whites like pianos."

The author then offers advice from others on how to avoid being carjacked, including "an ex-cop I know," and says, "I frankly don't know what to make of such advice, but even in my little town of Lake Jackson, Texas, I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense. For the animals are coming."

Posted by: Random at December 09, 2011 01:02 PM (YiE0S)

Again, I know little about him, but I doubt Ron Paul would be referencing "hip-hop." And in the immediate wake of the racist savagery and carjackings of the LA riots, are you really going to go PC? At that point?  

184

And I forgot Amendment 0, which put the Feds in charge of Brain! Science! and orbiting mirrors to replace streetlights.  Only Newt truly groks the deep wisdom of the Founders.

185
If anyone has a convincing case, please make it. Because right now, I just can't hold my nose.

Posted by: Joffen at December 09, 2011 12:24 PM (zLeKL)

Sure thing.

The two-bit America hating grifter we have in office right now has...

Quadrupled our annual deficit.

Spent a trillion dollars of borrowed money to pay off his cronies, then come back to us sniveling about "crumbling infrastructure."

Appeased and/or emboldened our enemies.

Insulted and/or weakened our ties to allies.

Insulted the hard working producers of this country as lazy. 

Told his supporters to "punish" their political enemies.

Appointed an attorney general who's first act was to call Americans cowards, who then refused to prosecute the Black Panthers for voter intimidation, and then came up with a scheme to give a bunch of guns to Mexican drug runners, which in turn got a bunch of people killed, including one border agent.

Gave a "shout out" before delivering the news that a Muslim terrorist had killed American servicemen on our own soil.

Called those killings "workplace violence".

Appointed a Secretary of Homeland Security who's primary concern is marching American citizens through naked body scanners and having thug TSA agents molest children at the airport.

Turned NASA into a Muslim outreach program.

Turned Homeland Security into a vehicle for "environmental justice."

Took a shit on centuries of contract law in order to pay off UAW workers by stealing directly from the auto company bondholders.

Encouraged his SEIU and ACORN goons to "get in their faces."

Taken more vacations and thrown more lavish parties than any president in history ... all while lecturing Americans that they need to tighten their belts.

Eliminated "don't ask don't tell."

Killed jobs by slapping a senseless moratorium on offshore drilling.

Blocked other forms of domestic energy exploration and drilling.

Rewarded "blue" states with federal money while punishing the red ones.

Demeaned and degraded the office of the presidency with his unpresidential behavior.

Broken almost every single campaign promise he made.

Sent his government goons digging through Joe the Plumber's private personal information.

Ran up unemployment to a real rate in the neighborhood of 20%.

Consistently encouraged class envy, stoked the fires of hatred, and appealed to the worst tendencies in our citizenry.

Been the nastiest, most divisive president in history.

Destroyed the value of the information gained when our forces killed bin Ladin because he was so eager to run to the American people and take credit for it.

Made the world less safe.

...

I don't know, my fingers are getting tired.

DO YOU FUCKING NEED MORE?

This guy has GOT TO GO. I'd vote for ANYONE over this fucking piece of shit. Vote your conscience in the primary and then get your ass down to the polls to vote for whoever wins. We can't afford four more years of this shit!!!

186 And Climate Change.  George Washington always used to tell Jefferson, 'Tommy, I really concerned about the threat of man-made global warming.'

187 I really don't think there's much difference between Newt and Mitt, but i do think that with Mittens conservatives at least have a chance at forcing him to be slightly conservative, but Newt will just assume he knows better than anybody else and won't listen at all to conservatives.

188 This guy has GOT TO GO. I'd vote for ANYONE over this fucking piece of shit. Vote your conscience in the primary and then get your ass down to the polls to vote for whoever wins. We can't afford four more years of this shit!!! ---------------------------------------------- This.

189 John Adams was really disappointed when they took a federal healthcare mandate out of the preamble to the Constitution, but Madison was, like, 'its ye obvious, we don't need to spell it out.'

190

In Washington's famous Farewell Address, he warned Americans to avoid foreign entanglements and also to use Fannie Mae and other GSEs to promote the Ownership Society!  Unfortunately conservatives were drifting away from the Founders vision until Newt came along to remind us.

 

191 Also, Newt really, really, really understands the deep wisdom of founder Governeur Morris.  IYKWIMAITYD

192 For someone who is highly critical of conspiracies you sure stepped in this one.

193 Seriously, if anyone is interested in actually changing peoples' preference at this point, pointing out how Newt sux in isolation isn't going to cut it.

It's Newt or Mitt.

194

This guy has GOT TO GO. I'd vote for ANYONE over this fucking piece of shit. Vote your conscience in the primary and then get your ass down to the polls to vote for whoever wins. We can't afford four more years of this shit!!!

 

Hear! Hear! I second Dat! The supreme court appointments alone will seal our fate as slaves and unprotected sheep for the fleecing by the Goberment masters and their don't wanna work electors

Posted by: Warden at December 09, 2011 01:30 PM (KulgD)

195
On Election Day, I will crawl through broken glass, molten lava, muriatic acid, even Al Gore's bed if that's what it takes
Posted by: kathysaysso





Take it from me. you really don't mean that last one...

196

I don't know if David Brooks genuinely supports Newt Gingrich, or is trying to sabotage him. 

 

I really don't care.

 

The effect of his columns on the political fortunes of Newt is negligible. 

If Brooks supports Newt, it does not change my opinion of Newt.  If Brooks opposes Newt, it does not change my opinion of Newt.

 

 

197

Is Brooks self-aware?

No.

“I remember distinctly an image of–we were sitting on his couches, and I was looking at his pant leg and his perfectly creased pant,” Brooks says, “and I’m thinking, a) he’s going to be president and b) he’ll be a very good president.”

He's too fixated on men's pants to be considered self-aware.

198 Doom Gingrich?

"Every time a blogger endorses Rick Santorum, an angel gets his wings. Also, it makes Charles Johnson cry."

199 Looks as though next year the Democrats won't even need my services.

200 David Brooks: Gingrich loves government more than I do.

Seriously dude?  Wipe your mouth off and take off your kneepads before someone claims they love Government more than you do.

Then I'll laugh, but if I laugh at your idiocy while you're still fellating any Big Government program you can find it's just going to seem mean.  And I'm trying to turn over a new leaf and seem less cruel.

So take off the kneepads and wipe your mouth; THEN I'll mock you endlessly.  That's about all the kindness I can show for something this stupid.

201 Newt probably thinks that listing his record, then quoting him, then listing more of his record, is stupid, but blamed if I know why we should.

202

"he continually returns to this core political refrain: He talks about using government in energetic but limited ways to increase growth, dynamism and social mobility."

 

whatever Brooks is up to, this is a true statement.... Newt is a central planner and has an unwavering belief in his own ability to be the Big central planner.

a Teddy Roosevelt progressive is what he is.

 

(i hate Mittens too and I'm not a Paulbot either) 

203 “I remember distinctly an image of–we were sitting on his couches, and I was looking at his pant leg and his perfectly creased pant,” Brooks says, “and I’m thinking, a) he’s going to be president and b) he’ll be a very good president.” How many couches does Obama have? How many could Brooks sit on at the same time? Is "couches" we should look up in Urban Dictionary??

204 Posted by: Emperor of Icecream, Cultist for Jesus at December 09, 2011 01:35 PM (epBek)

Your examples are silly. Gingrich will pull harmless publicity stunts like appearing with Resist We Much Al to appeal to independents, but he legislated conservatively. He will open his mouth and step in it occasionally ("right wing social engineering"), but that is a byproduct of his passionate, continuous defense of conservative ideas.

Romney governed like the squish that is, but is recently talking like a conservative to win the GOP nomination. See the difference?

My biggest concern with Newt was his endorsement of Scozzafava, but he made the judgment to put party over principle in a tough race. And he got spanked big time for it, and learned something about how the Tea Party has changed the dynamics. Just like he got spanked for the right wing social engineering remark.

205 204 Oops, that was supposed to be from me.

206 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

207 At some point, I think Brooks does know he hurts Gingrich by this post. Deliberately.

208 LINUX!

There, I said it.

And BOOBEHS.

209 Romney governed like the squish that is, but is recently talking like a conservative to win the GOP nomination. See the difference?

Challange round - your governer of a state with 85% dems in your legislature and you are starting with a 3 billion debt, bleeding out jobs, bloated government, and too many people using your ERs as free health care thanks to the unfunded mandate that all hospitals have to give aide - even if they do not get paid.  You must now fix these problems - no kicking the can down the road - and do so in a way that will get the support of a very leftist legislature.  Romney did it and he moved many things to the right - not as far right as the purist would like - but please enlighten us if you would have been able to do better?

My biggest concern with Newt was his endorsement of Scozzafava,

That's it?  You don't care about Newt's days as a lobbyist shill for Freddie and Fanny?  What about Newt being one of the few speakers to loose his job because his own party hated how he kept caving to Clinton and had multiple ethics issues?  Do you remember that Newt has been very pro cap - n - trade? I dont care if someone believes in global warming (I've flipped on this issue 5 times now) but I do care if they believe in using big gov to solve the issue.  Are you a values voter - if so Newt's personal character is what - no big deal?  The list goes on and on - the more I look at this guys record - the more I think we are nuts supporting him.

but he made the judgment to put party over principle in a tough race.
 And he got spanked big time for it, and learned something about how the Tea Party has changed the dynamics. Just like he got spanked for the right wing social engineering remark. 

Just like Obama is going to spank him in the general.  Obama has to run negative to win.  Newt gives the guy a couple of divisions worth of ammo to run that negative campaign. I appreciate that you don't have total amnesia when it comes to Newt - but there is sooo much more to Newt that it scares me if this guy becomes our beckon of hope simply because he has learned to talk pretty to the base.

210 You might have a point...if anybody paid attention to David Brooks.

211 Do Brooks and Parker troll on conservative sites ?

Little known fact: they are twins. Parker is the one with the most facial hair.

212 Wow this is soo helpful I have been trying to figure this out on my own for a long time now. Hopefully making this change will help encourage discussion on my blog.

213
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216 Brooks likes him because he is literate, unlike Perry, Bachman, Cain, etc.

217

Newt and Brooks are a lot alike--all hat and very little cattle.  Big thinkers (just ask them) but when it comes to the dirty business of getting stuff done, they get bored.

Brooks found a good career fit-- all he ever has to really DO finish is a column on deadline a couple of times a week---he has done some books but that's strictly optional.

Gingrich had found a pretty good niche, too- a legislator (congressman) in the monority party.  He could pick and choose which issues to get involved in and which to duck, no real responsibility, gets to be a big shot/shit without most of the headaches--a nice life and a nice fit for him.

Then he found himself Speaker of the House and he had to actually organize something bigger than a 3-car funeral--the House of Representatives.  And he did NOT do a very good job, losing the huge credibility and support he had in January 1995, so that by 1998 he had to go.

He would like us to believe he ahs grown up, but it's not like he was a 14 year old in 1996.  Adults rarely change all that much in their 50s and 60s.  Color me very skeptical.

I have my concerns about Romney, but the best choices didn't run (Christie, Ryan, Daniels, Palin on personal qualities, tho unfairly, her negatives are too high to win in 2012) and we have to deal in reality.

218 228-"Then he found himself Speaker of the House"

What a strange way of describing a 16-year quixotic struggle in which he was roundly mocked and jeered at by his own party almost as much as the enemy for openly seeking to make the Repubs the majority in the House.  "Keep calm, Newt, don't make waves, Newt, don't go after Tip O'Neill, Newt, don't go after Jim Wright, Newt, don't oppose Bush's tax hike, Newt, take after Bob Michel, Newt, go along and get along, the Dems will be running the House unto the end of days..."

And then he just FOUND HIMSELF Speaker of the House...of all the luck!

Good grief.

219 I am not clear if I totally understand the full thought pattern behind this.

220 the dems are scared shit less of him.

Do tell? And you're not? This pumpkin headed troll Chuckie looking turd is the ultimate insider. He spent the years since being drummed out of SOTH as a lobbyist, insider, pseudo-liberal party-going recreational adulterer and serial liar. His regrettable slavishness to the stupidity that was and is Alvin Toffler's Third Wave nonsense is legendary. He had those tired old libs around in the House as his guests on several occasions.  He has all sorts of grandiose idea churning through that obscenely large Chuckie Jr head. He is unguided, uncoordinated, and as bad a right wing progressive as any progressive on the left. A progressive is a progressive, ideology not withstanding. Teddy Roosevelt was a semi-disaster after his first term. He was a progressive. His kin, and fellow turd, Franklin Delano Roosevelt was as progressive but a leftist. Both sucked and did bad things in our name. Newt is carved from the same large turd as they were. He will do terrible things in the people's name. He needs to be kept out of that office.
That said, Mittens Romneycare Boy is no better. How the hell did we get stuck with Juan Mccain Jr wanna bes again? Can the Republican Party no put forth a candidate who is conservative and not a walking abortion? Are these two turds or that waste of time Paul all the party has on offer? Where is the Ronald Reagan of the right? Where is the person fit to lead. This year's class sucks eggs and bites trouser. These guys are midgets. We need effective grown up leadership or we get the Bamster Barry Obarkbark for the four more years of country raping needed to make us into Mexico North, Or Greece, with football and light beer.
Putting Newt or Romney into the race is replacing one walking abortion with another. Not better, just different. And we go over that cliff we're approaching.
The trip to the edge is short, the fall over it is long, and irreversible.
Just ask the Romans or the Persians. We're not immune to putting idiots in charge of our nation. Or asshats. Newt is certainly one of those.
The left fears Newt and his rambling brain farts the way they feared Juan Mccainez, Vietnam Vet and Envoy from Mexico.

When does the Republican Party clown parade end and a worthwhile person get put forth or allowed to step forth. Certainly not in the crowded field of half pint turds we have this year. I will vote for the sammich. Write it in with a crayon or scrawl it in Blackhawk Pencil.

221 And while anything would be better than Obortion, that's not much comfort when we have the shiite sandwich conditions in this country that we do. We don't need "good enough" and "not Obama", we need someone serious and dedicated to getting things done or it's gonna be game over. Cutting budgets, laying off gubmint workers, curbing all these friggin giveaways and setting us back straight. That's what we need, not just some asshat with an R after his name occupying that office. Settling for one of these turds is just that, settling.
My only inclination is Perry, and that just barely...not thrilled with anyone in this group. No one.

222 Other than that, how is everybody?

223 My only inclination is Perry, and that just barely...not thrilled with anyone in this group.

Latest from the smart one Rick Perry:

"Montemayor?" he said, struggling to name one of the nine Supreme Court justices. He went on to blast the court as "eight unelected and frankly unaccountable judges. "

I agree that 57 states, and Navy corpSman (must be how you say it in Austrian) are just as bad or worse - but Perry has to get off of the gaffes.  Many on the outside or seeing Perry as Bush's special olympic side kick.