1

Why are we wasting our time on Frum Frum? 

(The same way I felt about when we'd go to battle against the Troll, Dum Dum on this blog).

2 The most overrated journos/writers in NY/DC?

Frum, Brooks, Freidman and Krugman
The Four Horses' Asses of the "O"pocolypse

3

The only good reason to ready Frum is to enjoy ripping apart his illogical conclusions and factual errors.

Same goes for Krugman.

4 So-- Frum's running for President now, too?

5 What criteria are used for overrated? I don't really care what any of them have to say. Also, Kathleen Parker.

6 Frum. It's pointless to expend the energy to insult him, because he's self-insulting. His very opinions denounce him.

7 If I owned Libya and Hell, I would rent Libya and live in Hell.

Oh. wait.

8 I have to assume he hasn't read

Since when do liberals let reality stand in their way?

9 In late 2009, I had coffee with Frum for the first and last time outside AEI. He made two claims which stick with me – one was that Dodd-Frank wouldn't really hurt business growth, and the other that small businesses would adore Obamacare. I disagreed on both counts, and strongly on the second. He rejected that idea thoroughly. Walking back to the office, his last comment to me was “Just you wait: two years from now, everyone will agree with me.”

Well, he might get some takers at OWS ...

10
phew, I just made it!

On my into this thread I almost got raped.

11 The Four Horses' Asses of the "O"pocolypse

Good one.

12

Frum is squish meh - personified. He's on the left now.

13 What criteria are used for overrated?

I go with the "I can't believe [________] got paid to write this shit" factor. By which standard Ezra Klein rates absolutely first by a mile.

I also have to throw in Friedman and Krugman. And, for a semblance of balance, Peggy Noonan.

14 (The same way I felt about when we'd go to battle against the Troll, Dum Dum on this blog).

Troll bashing is one of my pastime. It makes me happy.

15 Only there's probably 4,000 of those horses' asses.

16

>>>Why are we wasting our time on Frum Frum?

 

 

Because if feels so right!

17 OT, but interesting.

18

Kathleen Parker. Hands down one of the most overrated writers.

 

I will give her credit. She was very savvy. I think she knows she's just another mediocre writer of which there are tens of thousands in American with a liberal bent.

So she decided her route to the top would be to declare herself a "conservative".

Let's face it, if she was openly liberal(as she no doubtedly is), she would just be another left wing blogger who nobody reads.

19 SCOAMF!!!!

20 Oh and does Mark McKinnon count as a writer or just a douche bag?

21 I squat over the NY Times, its easier to transport out of my cave that way.

22 The entire bunch of loonies at Think Progress and Media Matters.

23
I'm ready for my victory lap.

Right away.

24 I hear Quackdaffy was killed today.

25

Is there ANYONE on the left side of things (and yeah, Frum is a lefty because conservatives do not do Obamacare), who understands Econ 101.  Anyone?

Never mind.  I might as well try to find a hot girl at OWS.

26 I'd like to like Ben Domenech, but I can never really forget or forgive the fact that he's a piece of shit plagiarist who stole other people's writing and passed it off as his own until caught by the media.

I'm sorry, but that's a sin there's really no return from if your profession is writing.

27 add parker and noonan

28
“Just you wait: two years from now, everyone will agree with me.”





What an arrogant, self-important cockholster. Not that this is any surprise from the guy who starts a blog called "NewMajority" and in a few months re-brands it with his own name.

29 That sidebar video is certainly Kadaffy?  Maybe it really is him but there is no fucking way anyone could tell from that video.  Do those people ever settle down,  take a deep breath and put the camera ON A FREAKING TRIPOD?

30 I like reading moderates,

David brooks, Peggy Noonan sometimes once or twice annually! Can write a thought provoking and insightful article.

Like me some Peter Schiff among many others worthwhile independents and moderates.

David Frum....  is less a moderate and more a lukewarm drink.  His thinking seems more like lets find common ground with capital punishment activists but removing one arm, leg, and eye.  Of course I have these brilliant insightful opinions without ever having read David Frum which is exactly what he would want me to do.

31

>>>But his natural tendency to do so isnÂ’t borne out of any principled or honest approach to questions of policy. ItÂ’s merely meant to satisfy market demands for someone who fills the role of the permanent critic. This is why so many of his arguments are so thinly based and so shrill, and why he is so irrelevant to legislative and internal policy arguments

 

 

BAM!

32

John King barely counts as a journalist, but he is the hackiest hack that ever hacked. He hacks so hard I expect a hariball to fly out of his mouth.

Do I ever hate that guy.

33 30 That sidebar video is certainly Kadaffy?  Maybe it really is him but there is no fucking way anyone could tell from that video.  Do those people ever settle down,  take a deep breath and put the camera ON A FREAKING TRIPOD?
Posted by: Dang at October 20, 2011 11:57 AM (BbX1b)

That would require both hands and it is outside their experience to free the hand that is continuously firing bullets into the air for any other use. They achieve higher bird kill totals than the windmill farm in Altamont Pass (or so I hear).

34

>>That sidebar video is certainly Kadaffy? Maybe it really is him but there is no fucking way anyone could tell from that video. Do those people ever settle down, take a deep breath and put the camera ON A FREAKING TRIPOD?

really, stop the video at teh part where they roll him over. It's him. Without question.

35 it's particularly sad that these as frum ,noona, care more for their fitting in to the politics of Washington at every election cycle than have any real standards.

they believe they can tame the hoi polloi with a finely written article advocating for the other team.

36 o yeah Rhino!

37 where it truly fits.

38 Saw part of one of the MSNBC morning shows the other day (think it was Scarborough) and the had Bob Herbert on.

I had two reactions 1 - Bob Herbert is still alive? and 2 - Who would take him seriously enough to waste the electricity it takes to videotape him?

(Of course the Times wastes the ink and paper it takes to publish him.)

39 "Frum" means devout in Yiddish. It describes a Jew who is committed to obeying the commandments (not the 10 that everybody knows; the 613 that very few people know).

40 Who?

41

>>Like me some Peter Schiff among many others worthwhile independents and moderates.

 

whoa whoa whoa. Let's not throw Peter Schiff into this argument. He's more of an economic writer/thinker.

Peter Schiff is a businessman who occasionally writes articles.

David Frum is an idiot who does nothing by write articles.

 

42 Domenech plagiarized? When was this?

43 33
He hacks so hard I expect a hariball to fly out of his mouth.
Posted by: spongeworthy at October 20, 2011 11:59 AM (puy4B)

Hariball: the bolus that remains when a carnivorous feline devours a believer of Hari Krishna.

44 he is certainly un-orthodox in  thinking.

45 Andi Sullivan. And JeffB.

46 David Frum Is Not A Serious Person

Sun rises in the East.  News at 11:00.

47 OK, Frum's an asshole.  BFD.

Now, how can we overcome this fucking Mitt Romney?  Weasel incarnate, flip-flops grafted to his feet, lying son-of-a-bitch, and worse.

Is this what we are stuck with?  Real voters with inquiring minds, want to know.

48 Posted by: andycanuck at October 20, 2011 12:03 PM (OKhgI)

JeffB make a hell of a lot more sense than Excitable Andi. That's not saying much...in fact, that isn't saying anything.

49 It's popular on conservative sites to bash George Will but he's been the most consistent voice for conservatism in the papers for thirty years. It's because his article are well thought out and by far the best written then any other opinion writer.

50 Is Frum "rated," or just kept?

The Cause knows he's a pet chump. When he leaves the room, they laugh at him.

Does he know? I'd like to think he does, just on humanitarian grounds, and attribute his chumpdom to malice, because at least malice has some dignity, but I doubt he has any idea.

51
Noonan, Parker, Frum, Sully, Brooks. No surprise that the overrated journalists are largely "House Republicans" for the liberal MFM plantation. It's a win-win for the MFM, they can be cited as "sensible conservatives" advocating lib policies, and when they fuck up, they can still be used as a bludgeon to bash conservative thought, "if a smart conservative like _______ can screw up, just think of how bad the normal everyday dumb conservatives can be!"

52 I knew Frum was a fraud after I read that self serving piece of trash book The Right Man. I've never thrown away a hard copy book in my life but that one went into the trash immediately.

53
A bridge almost collapsed on me!

Well, it was looking at me funny.

Pass this bill!

54 Frum is the worst kind of asshole.

The kind that pretends to be a Republican/conservative.

Frum, Brooks, Parker, Noonan, BikeSeatBoy, Avlon, etc.

55 >>That sidebar video is certainly Kadaffy? Maybe it really is him but there is no fucking way anyone could tell from that video. Do those people ever settle down, take a deep breath and put the camera ON A FREAKING TRIPOD?

That video was shot by a cell phone in the middle of a rugby scrum of celebrating rebels all trying to get their chance to "count coup" on Q's ass.

Hopefully we will see something more definitive later.

56
If we don't pass Obama's jobs bill, Joe Biden's daughter will get hooked on cocaine and become a whore to support her habit.

57 >>>JeffB make a hell of a lot more sense than Excitable Andi. That's not saying much...in fact, that isn't saying anything.

1.) Thank you.

2.) Fuck you.

Kidding aside, I can't think of a pundit I hate with a more abiding passion than Sullivan, FWIW.  And that's in part because, as truly long-time Morons will know, I was a defender of his for quite awhile back before he finally went over to The Dark Side in 2004.  Fucker burned me but good, and I should've seen it coming.  A learning experience, actually.

58
That sidebar video is certainly Kadaffy?  Maybe it really is him but there is no fucking way anyone could tell from that video.  Do those people ever settle down,  take a deep breath and put the camera ON A FREAKING TRIPOD?

Posted by: Dang at October 20, 2011 11:57 AM (BbX1b)

Paul Greengrass must be shooting the next Bourne film in Labia......

59 50 It's popular on conservative sites to bash George Will but he's been the most consistent voice for conservatism in the papers for thirty years. It's because his article are well thought out and by far the best written then any other opinion writer.
Posted by: lowandslow

+1

And I might add, unlike all of us here safe among like minded folks,  Will is the one going on MSNBC and CNN often surrounded by a half dozen screeching harpies defending conservative thinking from their lies and mis-characterizations.

60 Frum?

61 well didn't kaddafi's daughter get killed in the raid only to be found alive and well? so i'm sure they've got some zombie blood he shall never die......again.....

62 We need to have a big tent to include people like Frum, so we aren't seen as exclusionary.

63
A rapist behind every bush.

64 David Frum??

65 Pssst.

You know who doesn't like Michele Bachmann?

David Frum.

You don't align with David Frum, do you?

66 OK. Col. Daffy is worm shit. So is this bastard still a national hero? If so, why is this an improvement?

67 Sullivan is a real person?  I thought he was like a cartoonish humor columnist.  That wasn't satire?  Too bad those anti-Palin screeches from a hysterical gay man were f'ing hilarious when I thought they were satire.

68 Because even useless idiot douchebag trolls that criticize Perry have to be taken down? Although I don't understand why since no one pays attention to useless idiot douchebag trolls like Frum anyway except for lefties.

69 50 It's popular on conservative sites to bash George Will but he's been the most consistent voice for conservatism in the papers for thirty years. It's because his article are well thought out and by far the best written then any other opinion writer.


Yes, agreed, but since his rather public divorce (the result of an affair with, I believe, a staffer), he's become rather squishy on social issues--the whole sodomy-is-just-this-generation's-lefthandedness trope.

70

Sully is a journo/writer?

Next, we'll start calling OWS protesters "adults".

71 David Frum?  Not familiar with him.

72

That sidebar video is certainly Kadaffy? Maybe it really is him but there is no fucking way anyone could tell from that video. Do those people ever settle down, take a deep breath and put the camera ON A FREAKING TRIPOD?

It's him. Here's better video and the story. http://tinyurl.com/44grgzq

I was a little annoyed at the video quality momentarily. Then I realized I'm sitting half a world away in front of my PC expecting rebels in the middle of a bloody, historic frenzy to, please, THINK OF THE VIEWER! And I laughed.

73

lowandslow.

I love George Will's columns. Everyone once and while he'll put out a stinker like his tirade against people who wear jeans, but on the whole they are always enjoyable reads.

Also I love watching him crush liberals on ABC's sunday morning talk show.

74 PPP OHIO Romney 46 Obama 46 Cain 48 Obama 45 Jensen however said if the election were held today, Obama's approval rating amongst undecideds is only 18%- he would lose the election. First Ohio poll then showing the R's ahead or tied. O loses OH, VA, NC, FL, and NH and he loses the election. Outside of that fluke FL poll nothing out of these states has been good for him in the last month.

75 59 Paul Greengrass must be shooting the next Bourne film in Labia......



Is that for Vivid or Evil Angel?

76 @71: I love that OWS may ultimately be taken down by hobos.  In at least 3 cities now there are reports of "the homeless" stealing/mugging/peeing on the protesters, many of whom have decided it's no longer fun now that actual poor people have shown up.

77
I killed 18 Bengal tigers.

And then I cried.

78

Paul Greengrass must be shooting the next Bourne film in Labia......

I've seen a few films shot in (or at least around) labia. Don't recall if any of them were about Jason Bourne.

79 The only distinction I'd make in the names people are mentioning here is that I still find a lot of worth in Peggy Noonan.  Honestly, her main sin seems to be that she's a touchy-feely type (that style seems to particularly irk a lot of men, I've found -- we like 'punchy') who wrote some complimentary columns about Obama in the run-up to the 2008 election.  Bad, to be sure (after all, none of US were fooled), but anyone who's been reading her regularly since then, as I have, would know that she's been absolutely BRUTALIZING him -- I mean damn near anal sodomy with a pink, ribbon-tied strap-on -- every single week since mid-2009. 

She hasn't been one of those "oh his ideas and temperament are so GOOD" douchebags like David Brooks (who is truly unsalvageable), she's been taking it to him in the cruelest and most cutting possible ways, filleting him about not only his policies but his temperament and his native abilities.  It hurts a lot more when a 'nice lady' like Peggy Noonan declares (with a wonderful "more in sorrow than anger" tone that twists the knife even more) that you're a "pathetic whiny loser" -- pretty much her exact words -- than it does when Charles Krauthammer or some blogger writes it.

Frum, Brooks, Parker: the worst of the worst.  Sullivan doesn't count because nobody thinks of him as anything except a liberal Democrat shill anymore.

80
When that crazy bitch told me that I was taking away her family, I cried.

And then proceeded to take away her cats and little monkeys.

81 It's popular on conservative sites to bash George Will but he's been the most consistent voice for conservatism in the papers for thirty years. It's because his article are well thought out and by far the best written then any other opinion writer.

Yes, agreed, but since his rather public divorce (the result of an affair with, I believe, a staffer), he's become rather squishy on social issues--the whole sodomy-is-just-this-generation's-lefthandedness trope.

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at October 20, 2011 12:14 PM (mAm+G)

Wha? It wasn't public enough for me to hear about it, or, I believe, for this site to ever report it.

George Will has indeed been the most consistent voice for conservatism in the papers for thirty years.  Can't get around that.

82
18 tigers.

Only in America...

83 Maybe if we had listened to Frum instead of the teabaggers, we would have genuine moderates in office now, willing to compromise with the Democrats and get things done, instead of fight them on every single little issue like ObamaCare.

84 I want to shut down private animal farms, since they harm animals.  I killed 18 tigers.

- Jack Hanna

85 50 It's popular on conservative sites to bash George Will but he's been the most consistent voice for conservatism in the papers for thirty years. It's because his article are well thought out and by far the best written then any other opinion writer.

Posted by: lowandslow at October 20, 2011 12:06 PM (9TXA3)

I agree also.  We only notice George Will when he does 2 things: Eviscerates some liberal on a panel and goes off the conservative reservation.

Will has some policy quirks and is comfortable in the mainstream culture, but he's right on most things and articulates it brilliantly.  Almost as good as Steyn.

86

She hasn't been one of those "oh his ideas and temperament are so GOOD" douchebags like David Brooks (who is truly unsalvageable), she's been taking it to him in the cruelest and most cutting possible ways, filleting him about not only his policies but his temperament and his native abilities.

Sure. Then she will turn around and write an article on why she had to vote for his re-election.

87 CORRECTION- CAIN 45% OBAMA 48%. Interesting fact about the Ohio electorate- AA voters split between 15% to 20% for the Republican candidates here. AA approval of Obama is still at 80% but the 20% that don't approve seem willing and ready to jump to R in the Buckeye state.

88
I told you that I cried.

sheesh

89

I am in such a bad mood today listening to the asskissers in the media present the death of Mummer Gadfly as some kind of Rapture moment for Obama, making him even MORE saintly than he already was.  As if he pulled the trigger himself, like that time he parachuted into Pakistan to take out bin Laden.  And now I read this bit of drivel from Frum that is just further proof that the media have their collective heads so far up Obama's ass they can smell what he had for dinner.

Tell me again why I shouldn't douse the media elite with fetid pig offal and a few buckets of horse urine?  It'd improve the smell of the shit they pedal.

90 Poor Peggy just blows... with the wind.  If she has to say Obama was great in order to get her 5th wine spritzer at the cocktail party, she will.

91 If Frum had a half a brain he would fall through his ass and choke himself to death.

92 Posted by: Jeff B. at October 20, 2011 12:17 PM (Mh8D2)

Had people like her not gotten caught up in the whole Obama mania, maybe she wouldn't have to write articles now eviscerating him. 

She was ga-ga over him. 

93 The greater good
- Jack Hanna

94 Fucker burned me but good, and I should've seen it coming.  A learning experience, actually.

Dear JeffB.,

Please come back. Please.

Love always,

95 Frummy's probably right about Perry's assumptions regarding oil and gas production.  I mean, Perry is the governor of Texas, for Pete's sake.  Where could he possibly find someone to advise him about the oil and gas industry?

96
I had to kill them all.

All of them.

97 I just went and checked and I'm telling you guys, that Andrew Sullivan is not a real person.  He is a brilliant light years ahead skewering of the apopoleptic hysterical strain of modern gay culture and their Mommy issues as triggered by the simple name or picture of Palin.  That guy is like 10-15 years ahead of network TV.

98 I still have Allah and Ed at Hot Air, so I own the Republican Party

I did have to tweak the name of my blog though, even my son was laughing at New Majority

99 OFF TOPIC.. BUT INTERESTING

YouTube

100 I was listening to New People's Radio yesterday, and they had a commentary by Robert Reich, on Frum's leaving, a few days ago, their radio gig where Reich represented the left, and Frum represented the right.  Apparently Frum stated that he no longer agreed with most on the right, and therefore shouldn't speak for them (amen).

Reich lamented the whole issue of labels, and listed all the ways in which he, Reich, had taken positions contrary to liberal orthodoxy (some of which came as pleasant surprises to me).  His point was that he wasn't speaking for the left, and Frum shouldn't have to speak for the right.

And all I could think was, OK: Exceptions aside, Reich is a staunch liberal.  He is an honest, thoughtful one. He doesn't go by doctrine - he just happens to agree with it most of the time.  He's as good a spokesman for the left as they could ask for.  The joke, to me, is that to NPR, Frum was still a conservative, and he had to be the one who said, Um, not really, not anymore.

101
Dondé es Ace?

102 If the vice presidency is the equivalent of a warm bucket of spit, then David Frum is vice presidential material.

103

Will has some policy quirks and is comfortable in the mainstream culture, but he's right on most things and articulates it brilliantly. Almost as good as Steyn.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 20, 2011 12:19 PM (73tyQ)

He almost always takes the LATEST D.C. DEBATE, establishes what the Constitution has to say about it, and works from there. Almost always. Since that is where most Congressional debates should begin, he provides a great service.

Sidenote: I work in a building with many Democrats. I will often print out a Will column for some "reading time" in the powder room. And I leave it behind, in the desperate hope that one, just one, of them will see the light.

104

Frum has been spending too much time in the bathtub, biting his own fart bubbles.

 

105

Sure. Then she will turn around and write an article on why she had to vote for his re-election.

You really haven't been reading her lately.

Peggy Noonan is just too sweet and fragile to be taken real seriously, but she is a fine writer and at one time was a pretty nice-looking poa. That's what's important.

106 Reich lamented the whole issue of labels, and listed all the ways in which he, Reich, had taken positions contrary to liberal orthodoxy

Posted by: JPS at October 20, 2011 12:23 PM

I loved Reich as Mickey Abbott on Seinfeld

107 Why aren't there any fake Leftists?  Caddell?

108 @101: Agreed.  Reich is on my list of "liberal intellectuals who are actually both of those words".  And NPR is a joke, full stop.

109
Sidenote: I work in a building with many Democrats. I will often print out a Will column for some "reading time" in the powder room. And I leave it behind, in the desperate hope that one, just one, of them will see the light.






Be careful doing that. The lefties ever figure out who is leaving "conservative propaganda material" behind in the restroom, they'll make a beeline to HR alleging political harassment.

I'm only half-kidding here.

110 @CJ  Terrorist!

No but seriously, that's sad that even in the age of the internet their minds are so closed and incurious they have to be tricked into even reading what conservatives are actually thinking.

111 The joke, to me, is that to NPR, Frum was still a conservative, and he had to be the one who said, Um, not really, not anymore.

Liberal media outlets (but then, I repeat myself) need a House Conservative so they can show how "balanced" they are.  The one prerequisite is that the H/C can't be someone who actually understands and explicates conservatism effectively.  The need for a feckless "right wing" foil gives people like David Frum and David Brooks employment.

112 105

Frum has been spending too much time in the bathtub, biting his own fart bubbles.

 Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 20, 2011 12:26 PM

You've got it wrong. Someone who farts in the tub and bites the bubble is a "gorp"

A "frum" is someone who cleans the farts from the seats in a movie theater

113 Why aren't there any fake Leftists?

Alan Colmes, except instead of a fake lefty that is conservative inside, Alan is just so retarded that he isn't a genuine liberal.

114 I'm selling t-shirts with Zombie Khaddafi hugging David Frum

10.99, get 'em while they're hot...........

115 OT:
NPR hostÂ’s involvement in Occupy D.C. leads to her firing

116 Frum? Who gives a shit about Frum? His 15 minutes of fame has come and gone

117 From NRO:

Results from new Rasmussen poll of likely Iowa caucus-goers: Herman Cain (28 percent), Mitt Romney (21 percent), Ron Paul (10 percent), Newt Gingrich (9 percent), Michele Bachmann (8 percent), and Rick Perry (7 percent).

118 108, Caddell is the only legit Dem I can think of. Most Dems have been led into marxist socialists group think. Actually I think A moderate Republican is equal in ideology a 60's Democrat. With the exception of the 60's radicals, which have always been, well, radical.

119 David Frum was one of the two who clapped;

The president got a polite reception from the 100 or so people crowded into the station garage. Early in his speech he mentioned his American Jobs Act.

One or two people clapped.

"You can go ahead and clap," the president said. "Go ahead, nothing wrong with it."

120 OT: NPR hostÂ’s involvement in Occupy D.C. leads to her firing Posted by: cherry pi at October 20, 2011 12:31 PM (OhYCU) To get fired by NPR, she must have been pretty overt about it. Maybe she also took a crap on a cop car

121 >>>Will has some policy quirks and is comfortable in the mainstream culture, but he's right on most things and articulates it brilliantly.  Almost as good as Steyn.

Also, I love his occasional columns and commentaries on baseball (he was the best commentator in the Ken Burns documentary), as well as the book Men At Work, which still holds up.

122 121 nevergiveup lol it must have been worse than that!

123 Alan Colmes, except instead of a fake lefty that is conservative inside, Alan is just so retarded that he isn't a genuine liberal.

Wait.  Explain that again?

124
David Frum

Contributing Editor, The Weekly Standard, 1995-present
Columnist, National Review and National Review Online, 1982-2009
Senior Foreign Policy Adviser, Rudy Giuliani, 2007-2008
Special Assistant to President Bush for Economic Speechwriting, 2001-2002



Vote Republican^tm 2012, Peasants!

125 kbdabear at October 20, 2011 12:32 PM I think he will start giving prompter speeches without Clapping pauses and laugh line pauses.

126 Be careful doing that. The lefties ever figure out who is leaving "conservative propaganda material" behind in the restroom, they'll make a beeline to HR alleging political harassment.

I'm only half-kidding here.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 20, 2011 12:29 PM (o1ki4)

Oh, I've thought about that. To the point of, "Hmm....the print leaves behind a code at the bottom of the page. They can probably trace that to the printer.)

I don't ever leave anything really controversial (nothing on race, etc.) Not even that topical. Only the ones that make broad, conservative constitutional points. (And, I kind of work in politics, so the reading material won't strike too many as out of place.)

127 The pick on Drudge shows obama shaking hands with and greeting Gaddafi. We also know he did the same with Chavez. Hum? One dead and the other dying? Bad Karma maybe?

128 >>>Why aren't there any fake Leftists?  Caddell?

Mickey Kaus.  Although he's more like a Robert Reich -- genuinely liberal, still votes Democrat, but is laceratingly intellectually honest. 

If more Democrats were like Kaus, we would be in a shitton of trouble. 

129

119 Actually I think A moderate Republican is equal in ideology a 60's Democrat. With the exception of the 60's radicals, which have always been, well, radical.

It's more of a regional thing, I think. .....There are parts of the South & SouthWest....today....where Democrats are more conservative than NorthEastern Republicans.

130 NPR hostÂ’s involvement in Occupy D.C. leads to her firing
Posted by: cherry pi at October 20, 2011 12:31 PM (OhYCU)

To get fired by NPR, she must have been pretty overt about it. Maybe she also took a crap on a cop car Posted by: nevergiveup at October 20, 2011 12:33 PM

Either that or she was dumb enough to rail about the JOOOOS like that LA teacher did who also got canned

131 The Rise and Fall of Hope and Change

http://imaksim.com/large.html

132

Also, I love his occasional columns and commentaries on baseball (he was the best commentator in the Ken Burns documentary), as well as the book Men At Work, which still holds up.

I love Will, but I will take advantage of any chance to present George F. Will Sports Machine:

http://tinyurl.com/p94g9h 

133 The pick on Drudge shows obama shaking hands with and greeting Gaddafi. We also know he did the same with Chavez. Hum? One dead and the other dying? Bad Karma maybe? Posted by: nevergiveup at October 20, 2011 12:35 PM Couple that with the restaurants and businesses that close after his visits, He's like the green mist that flowed through the streets in the movie The Ten Commandments.

134 82 Wha? It wasn't public enough for me to hear about it, or, I believe, for this site to ever report it.


Well, George Will's divorce is old news. It was widely known inside the Beltway. It is not as widely publicized on the Interwebs in 2011. The perks of a high profile media perch, I guess.

George Will has indeed been the most consistent voice for conservatism in the papers for thirty years.  Can't get around that. 

Agreed.

135 Besides being a "DC Republican" (i.e. big government), David Frum is a freakin' Canadian.

What a hoser !

136 Interesting fact about the Ohio electorate- AA voters split between 15% to 20% for the Republican candidates here. AA approval of Obama is still at 80% but the 20% that don't approve seem willing and ready to jump to R in the Buckeye state.

Posted by: CAC at October 20, 2011 12:20 PM (JEVge)

That would be the crack in the dam.  If it was known that Obama was getting a record-low percentage of African Americans or some not-explicitly-Republican African American was criticizing him, it would be safe among the "historic" voters to oppose him and it will be over.

That number has to be scaring the piss out of every Democrat across the country, look for a crackdown on heretics.

137 hahaha the freelancer reports on "opera" talk about 1%..........jeez

138

Jeff B: "I can't think of a pundit I hate with a more abiding passion than Sullivan, FWIW.  And that's in part because, as truly long-time Morons will know, I was a defender of his for quite awhile back before he finally went over to The Dark Side in 2004.  Fucker burned me but good, and I should've seen it coming.  "

Me too - after 9/11 I pretty much had my browser parked on his site every day.  Loved him.  But you're right - 2004 was the turning point, and I can even remember the moment when I knew he was gone.  It was the end of the summer, when he couldn't tear himself away from his Provincetown holiday and stayed on into the "off season".  He threw over his faith (he used to be a Catholic, remember?) and decided to make Homosexuality his religion instead.  I could tell instantly - he was never the same after that.

139 128 The pick on Drudge shows obama shaking hands with and greeting Gaddafi. We also know he did the same with Chavez. Hum? One dead and the other dying? Bad Karma maybe?

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 20, 2011 12:35 PM (i6RpT)

The Obama curse.  It happens to sports teams as well.

140 Oh good, cuz I just can't get enough of him....

Pres. Obama will make a 2pm statement on Libya and Khaddafy; presssec will then do his briefing at 2:20pm

141 obama to speak at 2 to take credit for killing gaddafi.

142 CJ Terrorist!

No but seriously, that's sad that even in the age of the internet their minds are so closed and incurious they have to be tricked into even reading what conservatives are actually thinking.

Posted by: Shiggz undecided - weighing pros-cons-balls at October 20, 2011 12:29 PM (I9fXA)

Yup. Really, maybe because I grew up in a Democrat house and a Dem city, I always knew where regular Dem/liberals were coming from. They just think government should do more things to help people. It's simplisitic, to me, but I get it. They, however, have no clue about what regular conservatives think. They just figure we hate everyone and everything.

143 Wait.  Explain that again?

LOL.  Listen to his radio show (if it's still on somewhere).  People who call in with valid liberal points of view are often shouted down.  He maintains the show at the intelligence level of an 8 year old.

144 139Me too - after 9/11 I pretty much had my browser parked on his site every day.  Loved him.  But you're right - 2004 was the turning point, and I can even remember the moment when I knew he was gone.  It was the end of the summer, when he couldn't tear himself away from his Provincetown holiday and stayed on into the "off season".  He threw over his faith (he used to be a Catholic, remember?) and decided to make Homosexuality his religion instead.  I could tell instantly - he was never the same after that.


Well put. See also Romans 1:24-27.

145 obama to speak at 2 to take credit for killing gaddafi.

Posted by: nevergiveup at October 20, 2011 12:43 PM (i6RpT)

If it didn't work with the Osama EKIA, it won't work here.

I guess it does mean that the intervention in Libya passed its first test: helped the people get rid of the dicator. It will ultimately be judged based on who replaces him.

146 Posted by: Leo Ladenson at October 20, 2011 12:14 PM (mAm+G)

He's been married (second marriage) to the same woman for about 20 years, so that affair happened a long, long time ago -- if it happened at all.

147 Sure David Frum is not a serious person, but he has discovered a secret that pundits on the left discovered and have kept a tightly guarded secret for decades:
Turning stupidity into a paycheck.  I mean look, most of us have to use some measure of intellectual prowess to get paid.  Lefty pundits, columnists, journalists and media talking heads can say the most brain dead, idiotic, senseless, inane things possible and get paid for it.  I mean hell, if they weren't stupid, it would be genius!

148 Gotta agree with Jeff B. on Ben Domenech. Kid was fucking busted cold, denied it, then said, "I was only a kid!" then tried to blame it on his editors. And if that wasn't enough, his resumé reads like the typical Northeastern Powdered Douchestocking: son of politicians, minor government functionary parasite, and stiff, humorless dandy-boy. I was unimpressed with his guest posts here. Not a single dick joke or Ghostbusters reference. Fuck him. And Jeff B. is a sex offender.

149

>>That sidebar video is certainly Kadaffy? Maybe it really is him but there is no fucking way anyone could tell from that video. Do those people ever settle down, take a deep breath and put the camera ON A FREAKING TRIPOD?

really, stop the video at teh part where they roll him over. It's him. Without question.

Posted by: Ben

It also looks exactly like my aunt Debby after a three day bingo-and-booze fest.  And I haven't seen her in weeks.

150 >>>I love Will, but I will take advantage of any chance to present George F. Will Sports Machine:

Are you kidding?  That's one of my single favorite Saturday Night Live sketches of all time.  Carvey is PERFECT.

151 Oh, here ya'll are.
OT (I guess)-From the Boston Herald:

Demonstrator Andrew Warner, 36, said homeless people are hijacking tents, getting drunk, “passing out” and stealing.

“It’s turning into us against them,” Warner said. “They come in here and they’re looking at it as a way of getting a free meal and a place to crash, which is totally fine, but they don’t bring anything to the table at all. It gets really frustrating.”

Sorry if it has already been posted but just too good not to share,,,and I am a sharer.

152 Further: if you had a choice of signing up for a daily email, would you pick Ben Domenech's "The Transom" or Empire of Jeff's "Daily Nuclear Cock-Rocket?" Thought so.

153 >>>And Jeff B. is a sex offender.

You sorta have to throw that in to wipe away the stain of agreeing with me on something.  That's okay, I feel the same way when I agree* with you.


*And by "agree" I mean "dork you in the squeakhole."

154 Speaking of assholes...

Obama speaking from Rose Garden at 2:00 about assassinating Kadoofi

155 sc redneck that's funny....doesn't andrew understand that the homeless are bringing something to the table......themselves!!!! funny how the "takers" don't like to be "took"........

156 149 He's been married (second marriage) to the same woman for about 20 years, so that affair happened a long, long time ago -- if it happened at all.



Yes, I said it was old news, but clearly something happened to end the first marriage. And to my way of thinking, divorce is worse than an affair--particularly if children are involved--or at least a particularly bad result of an affair.

If you're a long-time reader of Will's, then you remember his old columns that mentioned his daughter Victoria, imagining her as the first woman president, etc. Don't see much of that anymore.

157 Pres. Obama will make a 2pm statement on Libya and Khaddafy; presssec will then do his briefing at 2:20pm

Posted by: Tami-Cardinals! at October 20, 2011 12:42 PM (X6akg)

We should call him "Obama, the Muslim-killer".

I will note that Libya is unfolding in a similar way to Iraq. Now the leader is out of the spider hole.

But just remember how Democrat wars start.  They start with a small number of troops and escalate.

158 They come in here and theyÂ’re looking at it as a way of getting a free meal and a place to crash

Redistibrute the wealth, baby

159 LOL. Listen to his radio show (if it's still on somewhere). People who call in with valid liberal points of view are often shouted down. He maintains the show at the intelligence level of an 8 year old.

Posted by: Bob Saget at October 20, 2011 12:45 PM (SDkq3)

Not sure who you're talking about, but I have always been disappointed by how Rush, Beck and Hannity handle liberal callers. Sometimes they get a rational liberal and are just dismissive and defensive. In my head I'm crafting a detailed takedown of the caller, one that could get "independent" listeners to stop and think, but the host rarely takes the time to do it. Granted, I don't listen to any of them on a daily basis.

160 “It’s turning into us against them,” Warner said. “They come in here and they’re looking at it as a way of getting a free meal and a place to crash, which is totally fine, but they don’t bring anything to the table at all.

Hobos "don't bring anything to the table at all."  That's why they're hobos, dumbshit. 

BTW, you're a 36 year-old "man" who is in such hot demand that you can afford to check out of life to live in a fucking park for weeks on end.  Exactly what do you "bring to the table," loser?

161 They just showed ( FOX TV ) a new video of gaddafi very much alive and head in one piece being forced into the back of a pick up. Ooops my gun went off to the back of his head?

162 someone should get the adult baby down to ows......now that would be funny

163 "...typical Northeastern Powdered Douchestocking..."

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at October 20, 2011 12:50 PM (PLHIl)

I'm getting tired of all of you shit redneck, sister-marrying, sheep-fucking, drawling demi-retards taking potshots at the "Northeast."

I am as intellectual as any of you. I know "Ghostbusters" quite well, and I am conversant in not only dick jokes but also scatological humor. So stop throwing around your intellectual prowess. I'll bet you retards haven't even seen the unrated version of "Team America:World Police."

And I can probably out-shoot and out-fight you mincing little fruits.

164

“It’s turning into us against them,” Warner said. “They come in here and they’re looking at it as a way of getting a free meal and a place to crash, which is totally fine, but they don’t bring anything to the table at all. It gets really frustrating.”

Sure they do. They are going to share their ectoparasites and STD's with you shitheads. Be appreciative.

165 How many notches does Obama have in his Muslim killer belt?

166 164, How long do you think the Rebels argued about who was going to shoot him? Apparently not very long, but long enough.

167

If you're a long-time reader of Will's, then you remember his old columns that mentioned his daughter Victoria, imagining her as the first woman president, etc. Don't see much of that anymore.

His kids are surely grown, and were likely grown at the time of the divorce. That said, I don't think I was reading him back then to notice a change. Even with the explosion in the number of conservative writers around, he's still the best.

168

OT: Two Occupy Seattle Protesters arrested last night for assault of a police officer, assault of a park employee, spitting blood and yelling racial slurs. These guys are starting to remind me of the religion of peace.

http://tinyurl.com/3uy2jg8

 

169 168 How many notches does Obama have in his Muslim killer belt?

Posted by: cherry pi at October 20, 2011 12:57 PM (OhYCU)

At least Osama and Kaddafi.  I guess all the Al Qaeda 2nd in commands that died over the past 2 years count too.

170 >>>Domenech plagiarized? When was this?

Wikipedia covers it reasonably well, though it doesn't go into his thoroughly weaselly excuse-making for it.  He can putter around offering "conservative commentary" for another decade if he wants and it still won't wash away the ineradicable sin of plagiarism, the one unforgivable crime of journalism.

Not if wants to make a living as a writer, at least.  He could go be a plumber, I guess, and it would be moot.

171 Dear Libya,

Attached please find the itemized bill for various munitions and air support over the past 7 months.  The final payment of $5,000,000,000 must be paid within 30 days of receipt of this invoice.  We prefer cash but will settle for gold bullion if necessary.

Kindest Regards,

172
How many border patrol agents has Obama killed?

173 Posted by: soothsayer at October 20, 2011 12:59 PM (sqkOB)

That's gonna leave a mark.

174 I'm getting tired of all of you shit redneck, sister-marrying, sheep-fucking, drawling demi-retards taking potshots at the "Northeast."

Please. It's goats.

175 United States of America at October 20, 2011 12:59 Dear USA, go fuck a Goat.

176 It could be that Zero's dead Mexican count exceeds his dead Muslim count. But whos counting?

177
oh dear: Misery Index at highest level in 28 years

hope & change...

now with more misery!

178

At least Osama and Kaddafi.  I guess all the Al Qaeda 2nd in commands that died over the past 2 years count too.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 20, 2011 12:58 PM (73tyQ)

Don't forget Al-Awlaki (or however the hell that traitorous muzzie bastard spelled his name), may he burn in Hell forever.

179 Lets be very clear here. The Military power that the USA has flexed taking out all these bad guys over seas was put into place 8-10 years ago by President Bush.And the Policy also I might add. All obama and his friends are doing is letting that play out and at the same time taking the Defense Department apart one Soldier, One Sailor, One Marine, One Coast Guard Member, One Weapons System at a time.

180 His kids are surely grown, and were likely grown at the time of the divorce. That said, I don't think I was reading him back then to notice a change. Even with the explosion in the number of conservative writers around, he's still the best.

Posted by: CJ at October 20, 2011 12:58 PM (9KqcB)

No he is not.

Mark Steyn is. Period.

No, don't argue.  You can't argue this point.

181 Do you think David Frum would but a casket from these women?

http://tinyurl.com/43aoqsg

182 Please. It's goats.

Posted by: cherry pi at October 20, 2011 01:01 PM (OhYCU)

Apparently the vagina of a sheep is most like that of a woman. I am also confident that if Obama gets another term, the definitive study will be funded.

183

"The Wall Street protests remind one of the Arab Spring, don't they??"

That's the talking point of many mainstream scribes. I guess America = Arab dictatorship, right?

Now that the Arab Spring = images of the dictator corpses, is it still cool to make the comparison? Because that's some nasty imagery right there.

184 Posted by: AmishDude at October 20, 2011 01:03 PM (73tyQ)

VDH has to be in the discussion.

185 if a muslim has relations with an all white goat....is that goat considered blemished? and can they eat a goat they blemished?

186

Mark Steyn is. Period.

No, don't argue.  You can't argue this point.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 20, 2011 01:03 PM (73tyQ)

 

Seconded.

187 You sorta have to throw that in to wipe away the stain of agreeing with me on something.  That's okay, I feel the same way when I agree* with you. Nothing personal, Jeff. Merely the usual pro-forma insult. My heart wasn't even in it. I just don't want to violate the Terms of Service.

188 174 Dear Libya,

Attached please find the itemized bill for various munitions and air support over the past 7 months.  The final payment of $5,000,000,000 must be paid within 30 days of receipt of this invoice.  We prefer cash but will settle for gold bullion if necessary.

Kindest Regards,

Posted by: United States of America at October 20, 2011 12:59 PM (jkgfU)

PS - Failure to remit payment in full by the day specified will result in the utter destruction of "your" country via carpet bombing, up to and including tactical nuclear weapons if deemed necessary and prudent.  The smoking ruins will be annexed as a US military command post, and all oil fields will become the sole property of the United States of America in perpetuity.

PPS - You're welcome.

189
Time was...

190 BTW - Breaking!  Fox is reporting that Ghaddafi is still dead! 

191
There was a time on AoS when "not a serious person" meant "beclown."

192 A fair shot for everybody; a fair share from everybody. That’s the principle that built America.” — Barack Obama, 2011

“From each according to his ability, to each according to his need” — Karl Marx, 1875

193 Do you think David Frum would but a casket from these women?

They put the "fun" back in "funeral."

194 So he's not a serious person like me?

195 you can't spell funeral with out "real fun"!

196 This may be OT, but does this mean that Khadaffy's Fembot body guards are now available? I was thinking of beefing up security around here.

197 if a muslim has relations with an all white goat....is that goat considered blemished? and can they eat a goat they blemished?

Yes the goat is no longer halal but you can sell it to be eaten in the next village down the road.

198

Mark Steyn is. Period. No, don't argue. You can't argue this point.
Posted by: AmishDude at October 20, 2011 01:03 PM (73tyQ)

Ha. I love your enthusiasm! Go with it!

I'm a big fan of Steyn too. They're just different writers. I find Will more useful, in that he informs me of the constitutional underpinnings of certain policies or court cases - stuff I may not know, or not know in the context of the day's policy debate. I'm a little more emersed in the topics that Steyn tends to write about so he's more likely to tell me what I already know.

For amunition in daily poltical battle, Will is more useful.

199 A bit OT here, but the name was mentioned above..

See if someone can help me out here.

Is JeffB the guy who was pickling his liver one night, and chastised us all about "punching down"?

200 199, Do you think tha gigantic breasted Nurse needs a job?

201 Apparently the vagina of a sheep is most like that of a woman. I am also confident that if Obama gets another term, the definitive study will be funded. Most amusing. If you weren't a Yankee, you'd know that a ham and cheese sandwich microwaved for 14 seconds on high is the closest simulacrum of the human vagina current technology can produce. And I didn't marry my sister. Nobody did. I don't think it's going to happen. Twenty-eight is getting long in the tooth.

202 But just remember how Democrat wars start.  They start with a small number of troops and escalate.

Yeah they sort of ease into it, like getting into a cold swimming pool.

203
has there ever been a president who used "fairness" as his main campaign plank?

since when do adults, nevermind world leaders, use the word "fair" in conversation?

204 David Frum?  Never heard of him!

205 Frum is the worst kind of asshole.

The kind that pretends to be a Republican/conservative.

Frum, Brooks, Parker, Noonan, BikeSeatBoy, Avlon, etc.

Posted by: cherry pi at October 20, 2011 12:08 PM (OhYCU)

I really hate to have to defend Cahrels Jhnsnoo, in part because the classless fuck would never reciprocate, but he never claimed to be a conservative.  In fact, during his brief lucid period he made a point of stating he wasn't.  Other than that, he's a particularly loathsome piece of barely human garbage

206
no fair!

207
no fairsies!

208 Is JeffB the guy who was pickling his liver one night, and chastised us all about "punching down"?

Jeff B. = Someguy?
Interesting hypothesis.

209 205 But just remember how Democrat wars start. They start with a small number of troops and escalate. Yeah they sort of ease into it, like getting into a cold swimming pool. Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative Then they experiance shrinkage and get out early.

210

sign-up..

 

wazzat?

211 You guys know your islameic law. If some of your livestock starts asking for it and you knock the bottom out of it you can't sell the meat in your town, but you can sell it in the next town. Everybody needs a little KFC means different things in other cultures.

212

Hey, all!  Just dropping in to let you know that when you get raped by a 200 lb Union goon, you can blame Republicans.

Kay, gotta go!  Choo choo!

213 I'll bet you retards haven't even seen the unrated version of "Team America:World Police."

Ack, I really have to agree with MPAA on that one.  Broke the goggles.

214 >>>Is JeffB the guy who was pickling his liver one night, and chastised us all about "punching down"?

Oh hell no, dude, that was "someguy."  And I don't think you can blame alcohol for it, either -- that's just the sort of guy he was. 

"Punching down" is still one of my favorite AoSHQ-specific memes.

215

For amunition in daily poltical battle, Will is more useful.

Posted by: CJ at October 20, 2011 01:10 PM (9KqcB)

Steyn is a better writer.

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216
I remember one Halloween way back when I was in sixth grade. After we collected our pillow cases full-o-candy, we went back to Debbie Monahan's house.

And her sweet dear mother greeted us and said, "Oh is it time for fair trade, now?"

We all just looked at each other and wondered who this moonshot was. 

217 Goat rape?  REPUBLICANS DIDN'T PASS OBAMA'S JOBS BILL.

218 VDH has to be in the discussion.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 20, 2011 01:05 PM (K6bNI)

Sure.  First-tier.  But he's no Steyn.

219
yeah, pillow cases

we didn't use plastic frickin pumpkins like these kids today

220 >>>Ack, I really have to agree with MPAA on that one.  Broke the goggles.

Okay, now I have to know...what's included that's so graphic?

Be *extremely* specific.

221 Wow. I missed a meaty thread while I was out buying meatball meat.

222 77 @71: I love that OWS may ultimately be taken down by hobos.  In at least 3 cities now there are reports of "the homeless" stealing/mugging/peeing on the protesters, many of whom have decided it's no longer fun now that actual poor people have shown up.
Posted by: Ian S. at October 20, 2011 12:16 PM (tqwMN)

It is so derogatory to refer to them as "the homeless" when "street people" will serve just as well. Or, if you've ever been to Berkeley, the "romantic street people".

223 "Domenech mentioned that he's thinking of doing a Transom poll for the most overrated journos/writers in NY/DC."

Christ, that's like asking who's the skankiest whore in Vegas: where do you begin?

Well, there's Andy Sullivan, with his obsession over Sarah Palin's uterus. Or Maureen Dowd, and her persona as the world's oldest teenage girl. Or Peggy Noonan, and her persona as the world's second-oldest teenage girl.

But if I had to pick, I'd say Krugman.His Nobel in economics guarantees him an audience, but the man is barking mad. He is, in fact, the poster boy for my favorite definition of "fanatic": one who deliberately subverts his reason in order to act most forcefully.

224 O/T: NPR Fires #OWS Spokesidiot

225

"Punching down" is still one of my favorite AoSHQ-specific memes.

That original post was pure awesome...

226 That's terrible. Why are they giving the homeless all the credit for urinating on the protesters?

227 What's with Biden getting all Rapey? Is he trying to desensitize the word or what? It's hugely offensive.

228 O/T: NPR Fires #OWS Spokesidiot

Posted by: Clenched Sphincter at October 20, 2011 01:17 PM (EL+OC)

A peace offering for January 2013?

229 168 How many notches does Obama have in his Muslim killer belt?
Posted by: cherry pi at October 20, 2011 12:57 PM (OhYCU)

Four: Osama, Qaddafi, Al-Aw-waca-waca-waca-waca-li, and his own winkie, which he fatally injured by getting it caught in his zipper years ago (true story!).

230 That original post was pure awesome...

Whatever happened to someguy?

231 230 What's with Biden getting all Rapey? Is he trying to desensitize the word or what? It's hugely offensive.

Biden probably has a fetish along those lines.  It's disgusting and bizarre, and definitely not an appropriate analogy to use while discussing the "jobs" bill.

232 I think someguy exploded. Boom. Just like that. Tragic but predictable.

233 Where is ace?

234 Okay, now I have to know...what's included that's so graphic?

Not gonna do it, wouldn't be prudent.

235 Other than that, he's a particularly loathsome piece of barely human garbage

Yes...but...the fiercest criticism of CJ's opinions would appear to come from CJ circa 2005. His theophobia has gone from minor neurosis to full on delusional personality disorder. I accept the premise of "loathsome piece of garbage" I await objective evidence to prove he is "human" even if only "barely".

For those that doubt CJ is delusional Wiki helps out.

<sub>Indicators of a delusion

The following can indicate a delusion:

   1. The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.
   2. That idea appears to exert an undue influence on the patient's life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.
   3. Despite his/her profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or suspicion when the patient is questioned about it.
   4. The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.
   5. There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to him, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly.
   6. An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.
   7. The belief is, at the least, unlikely, and out of keeping with the patient's social, cultural and religious background.
   8. The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of their psyche.
   9. The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.
  10. Individuals who know the patient observe that the belief and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien.</sub>

236 At least I closed GITMO wingnuts.

237 Outside of the interwebz, I work in energy. Due to work restrictions, I'm not allowed to say where. However, I can say that from first hand conversations that Huntsman has the best grasp on energy. Perry falls second. The gap from there is a pretty far to third. The difference between them has to do with thier understanding of China's move to lock up future hydrocarbons to support their economy, going forward. Huntsman was ahead due to experience. Outside of those two, the rest, i would suggest, would do well to get an industry proven adviser on the production side.

238

Posted by: AmishDude at October 20, 2011 01:16 PM (73tyQ)

You make a good argument, but I looked up the stats. Will beats him by 2.

239
Someguy was ran off the blog because some people here don't like hearing that sniping and bitching on comment threads isn't the way to win elections.

240

Biden probably has a fetish along those lines. 

Doer, watcher, or acceptor? Girls, boys, women, men? I betting he's the hitter on the 275 lb union thug dude. That's his idea of hot.

241 It is so derogatory to refer to them as "the homeless" when "street people" will serve just as well. Or, if you've ever been to Berkeley, the "romantic street people".

Posted by: No Whining at October 20, 2011 01:17 PM (Wqfrr)

 

HAH!  Yes, so romantic.  Carefree and unencumbered by social and cultural mores.  Dancing barefoot in the rain and sleeping under the stars.

"The homeless people are down there lurking around,” a law-enforcement source told the (Boston) Herald. “Some of them are mentally ill and criminally insane. The potential is there for problems.”

Ya think?

242 Maybe we should call Sherriff Joe Sherriff Zed. pulp fiction reference.

243 What's with Biden getting all Rapey? Is he trying to desensitize the word or what? It's hugely offensive.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 20, 2011 01:19 PM (ZDUD4)

Sheriff Joe is incapable of not being offiensive; it's strictly a matter of degree.  It's not like this is an isolated event; the drooling imbecile had to be called out for spreading the false story that the truck driver involved in the accident that killed his first wife (and maybe a child; for which the wife was determined to be at fault) had been drinking at lunch.

244 240 Outside of the interwebz, I work in energy. Due to work restrictions, I'm not allowed to say where. However, I can say that from first hand conversations that Huntsman has the best grasp on energy.

I believe that because of his family's company, his international experience, and Utah's emphasis on geological exploration.  However, I believe Jon is still drinking the AGW Kool-Aid.  Now maybe that's partly because of crass self-interests (economic), but that's a pretty massive bogey. 

Perry is really the strongest on energy if you wrap it all together with his federalism and economic pragmatism.  And I think he's really the only one of the top-tier folks who've called out the AGW movement as deeply flawed. 

245 Perry is really the strongest on energy if you wrap it all together with his federalism and economic pragmatism. And I think he's really the only one of the top-tier folks who've called out the AGW movement as deeply flawed. Agreed.

246 We had some libtards and do gooders try to put an overflow homeless shelter in my kid's school many a year back. The shelter doesn't like to have the "lifestylers" in the actual shelter when the temps drop. Apparently it's common practice for them to plead need to local churches when the weather gets cold. It has more to do with their not wanting the psychos, criminals, drug addicts, and drunks all together in the shelter with random teenagers and other less violent homeless.

247

What was the name of that guy that was supposed to be reporting on conservatives for the Post (?) and was bitching about them on JournoList?

He manages to make worse-than-usual arguements on whatever the meme of the day is.

Sullivan still might win the poll for actually cheating people out of money. For the children bandwidth!

248 236. Where is ace?

Wait here.  I'll go find him.

249 Dave Weigel?

250 Here he is:
http://ace.mu.nu/

251 234
Biden probably has a fetish along those lines.  It's disgusting and bizarre, and definitely not an appropriate analogy to use while discussing the "jobs" bill.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 20, 2011 01:21 PM (MiRr5)

A lot of chickens are raised here in Delaware. A lot of dead chickens are found beside the roads here in Delaware. I'm not saying Joey Choo Choo had something to do with these two observations, but I'm not saying he did not either.

252 236 Where is ace?

OWS. Need for a Mac book. You figure it out.

253 230 What's with Biden getting all Rapey? Is he trying to desensitize the word or what? It's hugely offensive.

Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 20, 2011 01:19 PM (ZDUD4)

He's fearmongering, that's all.  Rather than trying to desensitive the word, he's trying to sensationalize it.  Rape is a word that has a lot of weight because of the fear it produces.  Telling someone, "If we don't spend money to hire cops more people are going to be raped, and one of them might be YOU!  Or your daughter!  Or your grandson!" is a great way to make (stupid) people say, "Oh, gosh, he's right.  We'd better tell our congress person to give the President $30 billion!  I don't want anyone to be raped!"

I'd like to see someone remind the Veep that one of the most effective methods of control tyrants employ is the threat of rape. 

254
They just figure we hate everyone and everything.

Posted by: CJ at October 20, 2011 12:45 PM (9KqcB)

Well.......as PJ O'Rourke put it, the most enjoyable part of being an eeeeevil conservative is composing the enemies list.

255 "1 Why are we wasting our time on Frum Frum?" Fair fair. But point point, too: My thinking is that it's because no one else actually conservative (or who claims to be conservative, ie Bruce Bartlett for certain, and arguably Frum) has taken a run at the Perry "jobs" plan. Okay: so why doesn't Moron Central just mosey on over to Perry HQ & look at for ourselves? I mean: I just did just that. And this is what I see - or rather, anyone in the world, therefore anyone at AoShq, can see. 1. It's not a 'jobs plan' per se. Indeed, it doesn't even claim to BE a 'jobs plan'. 2. In it's title, in it's introduction, and in the details of the dang thing, it claims to be an outline of something any president can do, right now & without approval from Congress, in a specific slice of a specific area, namely U.S. domestic conventional oil & gas production with in the larger context of "energy security", to stimulate that specific slice of that specific area, all predicated on the assumption that in doing that, there should be positive effects on the larger, wider, broader American economy taken as a whole. This is not hard, folks. The first link in this post takes you right to the Perry 'plan' in question. Right in the intro to that, it says for itself this is the first in a series, implying that the series eventually will have covered all the bases that make up the American economy. But it makes sense, says Perry - and I agree - to first consider what Obama himself could do, if he chose, in a specific area that bears on national security: energy security. It's FRUM who is trying to turn this into - well, he says so precisely - Perry's "own so-called jobs plan", as in, the whole meal deal. And that in turn, what FRUM wrote, implies Perry HISOWNSELF calls it that, or at least presents it as that, plus that Peggy Lee thing. But Perry HISOWNSELF in fact does neither. He says it's an entree - a duck. It says it's a duck; it even quacks. It says it has legs, and that those legs are the legs of a duck. So: point to Domenech, Frum down 0-1. From (or Frum) there, the issues close, the room gets tighter, the air nastier. Namely, Frum contends, in the end, the 'stimulative' effect - yes, I hear you, this is Perry, a conservative, yelling for a stim; something on which I agree with him is needed - A. is certainly not on jobs, because the related jobs are coming no matter who's in the White House, all 1.2m of them by (steady) the year 2030 (almost 20 years down the pipe), and B. is net zero, because the Perry 'plan' depends on studies that forecast sky-high oil & gas prices that, okay, should benefit the oil & gas industry, but will be offset by costs elsewhere in the U.S. economy - namely, higher costs to Americans of said oil and gas. Actually, Frum then backfills, saying even those 1.2m jobs by 2030 would get offset by 1.2m jobs lost elsewhere in the U.S. So: point to Domenech, Frum down 0-2. But now Frum goes to the net. Frum quotes Perry from Tuesday saying this: "You have a secretary of energy who has basically said he wants to see gas prices up close to the European model. The president himself said electricity rates are necessarily going to skyrocket. ThatÂ’s what weÂ’ve got to stop." & PURPORTS to compare that to this, as Frum calls it "jobs plan", I say energy security point, on the Perry website. Domenech is right in saying the thing on the Perry website doesn't mention prices at all. But absence of mention isn't evidence of absence: the additional oil & gas Perry claims those 1.2m jobs will produce is going to cost SOMETHING. Frum jumps to the conclusion that the price will be the world price. Well, that's true for oil: it's the way oil pricing works; so, Frum looks good on this point. Is it true for natural gas as well? Well, on this Frum self-refers to his earlier article, which Domenech does NOT deal with: http://tinyurl.com/3lnyj2a So, Frum raises it, and Domenech ... ducks it. And in that EARLIER Frum piece, Frum tells us he gets the key numbers from here: http://tinyurl.com/65k4qb7 being a guy named Levi at the Atlantic. which in turn relies on a study by a group called WoodMac ... which Levi accepts ... Frum never questions ... Domenech doesn't mention ...& isn't in that thing on the Perry website WoodMac came up a model, and fed in the jobs numbers & other projections that ARE in that thing on the Perry website - & the bottom line is this: Getting to those projections is what spits out those prices. To put that in terms my moron spot-price-for-gas brain can deal with, that means the price for gas - which is currently about HALF what WoodMac says the Perry thing needs to work (implying that gas is grossly underpriced - which I agree with, and HAVE agreed with for, oh, 30 years now, and counting) will have to QUADRUPLE 20 years down the line to make the Perry thing work. Which, I must say, I like. I think that would be great. Haven't seen it in the last 30 years; have no basis in history for expecting it; but I certainly LIKE it. Yet, that's not the point: the point is, either I do NOT get what I like in the way of gas pricing, as per always, and gas customers are happy to still get cheap gas and maybe can use it a lot more, BUT Perry's thing no longer works on the JOBS side; OR I DO get, FINALLY, what I like, 20 years hence, 50 years since I first started wanting it, and customers finally finally finally pay the fair price - but at a higher cost to them, one they've never been willing to pay before, and maybe won't even be able to. So: Frum finally scores a point - an imaginary, speculative point which he gets to count 20 years from now, 11 years after the end of the second term of the Perry presidency, but still: a point. And making that point renders the premise Domenech's criticism, that Frum is somehow not a Serious Person BECAUSE Frum's ALL wrong on this front ... wrong. Big fat ending: Does this mean Domenech himself is not a Serious Person? I'm going to duck that, but I will say this: on THIS point, Domenech is less serious than Frum.

256 I'm a double-naught spy so I can't tell you where but I think Mike Huntsman's the best on foreign policy too.

257 >> I had coffee with Frum for the first and last time Yes, the first and last with a person he RECOGNIZED as me. Ha! Ha ha! Mwah ha ha ha ha haaaaa!

258 People like Frum are just false flags. He claims to be a Republican only strategically - he's a Democrat and he pushes Democrat policies and ideas. He's just a lying douchebag. It's not an uncommon practice, you may have noticed, on the left - flying a false flag.

259 (implying that gas is grossly underpriced - which I agree with, and HAVE agreed with for, oh, 30 years now, and counting)

You're welcome to pay more if you like.  Right wing gas price manipulation is social engineering too.  It's dog logic to think higher gas prices will mean more walkies.

260

Most overrated "Republican" journalists - Peggy Noonan, Kathleen Parker, David Brooks, David Frum.

My god!  I think it is time to start supporting Newt - even if he did sit on the couch with Pelosi.

 

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"David Frum Is Not A Serious Person"

I support the construction of an electrocution fence on our Northern border to keep out RINOs like Frum.

262 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

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