March 05, 2011
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Here's an excerpt from Democracy in America by Alexis de Tocqueville, Vol 1 Chapter 18. He compares adjacent states - one free, one slave.
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A century had scarcely elapsed since the foundation of the colonies, when the attention of the planters was struck by the extraordinary fact, that the provinces which were comparatively destitute of slaves, increased in population, in wealth, and in prosperity more rapidly than those which contained the greatest number of negroes. In the former, however, the inhabitants were obliged to cultivate the soil themselves, or by hired laborers; in the latter they were furnished with hands for which they paid no wages; yet although labor and expenses were on the one side, and ease with economy on the other, the former were in possession of the most advantageous system. This consequence seemed to be the more difficult to explain, since the settlers, who all belonged to the same European race, had the same habits, the same civilization, the same laws, and their shades of difference were extremely slight.
Time, however, continued to advance, and the Anglo-Americans, spreading beyond the coasts of the Atlantic Ocean, penetrated farther and farther into the solitudes of the West; they met with a new soil and an unwonted climate; the obstacles which opposed them were of the most various character; their races intermingled, the inhabitants of the South went up towards the North, those of the North descended to the South; but in the midst of all these causes, the same result occurred at every step, and in general, the colonies in which there were no slaves became more populous and more rich than those in which slavery flourished. The more progress was made, the more was it shown that slavery, which is so cruel to the slave, is prejudicial to the master.
But this truth was most satisfactorily demonstrated when civilization reached the banks of the Ohio. The stream which the Indians had distinguished by the name of Ohio, or Beautiful River, waters one of the most magnificent valleys that has ever been made the abode of man. Undulating lands extend upon both shores of the Ohio, whose soil affords inexhaustible treasures to the laborer; on either bank the air is wholesome and the climate mild, and each of them forms the extreme frontier of a vast State: That which follows the numerous windings of the Ohio upon the left is called Kentucky, that upon the right bears the name of the river. These two States only differ in a single respect; Kentucky has admitted slavery, but the State of Ohio has prohibited the existence of slaves within its borders.
Thus the traveller who floats down the current of the Ohio to the spot where that river falls into the Mississippi, may be said to sail between liberty and servitude; and a transient inspection of the surrounding objects will convince him as to which of the two is most favorable to mankind. Upon the left bank of the stream the population is rare; from time to time one descries a troop of slaves loitering in the half-desert fields; the primaeval forest recurs at every turn; society seems to be asleep, man to be idle, and nature alone offers a scene of activity and of life. From the right bank, on the contrary, a confused hum is heard which proclaims the presence of industry; the fields are covered with abundant harvests, the elegance of the dwellings announces the taste and activity of the laborer, and man appears to be in the enjoyment of that wealth and contentment which is the reward of labor.
The State of Kentucky was founded in 1775, the State of Ohio only twelve years later; but twelve years are more in America than half a century in Europe, and, at the present day (1830ish), the population of Ohio exceeds that of Kentucky by two hundred and fifty thousand souls. These opposite consequences of slavery and freedom may readily be understood, and they suffice to explain many of the differences which we remark between the civilization of antiquity and that of our own time.
Upon the left bank of the Ohio labor is confounded with the idea of slavery, upon the right bank it is identified with that of prosperity and improvement; on the one side it is degraded, on the other it is honored; on the former territory no white laborers can be found, for they would be afraid of assimilating themselves to the negroes; on the latter no one is idle, for the white population extends its activity and its intelligence to every kind of employment. Thus the men whose task it is to cultivate the rich soil of Kentucky are ignorant and lukewarm; whilst those who are active and enlightened either do nothing or pass over into the State of Ohio, where they may work without dishonor.
It is true that in Kentucky the planters are not obliged to pay wages to the slaves whom they employ; but they derive small profits from their labor, whilst the wages paid to free workmen would be returned with interest in the value of their services. The free workman is paid, but he does his work quicker than the slave, and rapidity of execution is one of the great elements of economy. The white sells his services, but they are only purchased at the times at which they may be useful; the black can claim no remuneration for his toil, but the expense of his maintenance is perpetual; he must be supported in his old age as well as in the prime of manhood, in his profitless infancy as well as in the productive years of youth. Payment must equally be made in order to obtain the services of either class of men: the free workman receives his wages in money, the slave in education, in food, in care, and in clothing. The money which a master spends in the maintenance of his slaves goes gradually and in detail, so that it is scarcely perceived; the salary of the free workman is paid in a round sum, which appears only to enrich the individual who receives it, but in the end the slave has cost more than the free servant, and his labor is less productive.
The influence of slavery extends still further; it affects the character of the master, and imparts a peculiar tendency to his ideas and his tastes. Upon both banks of the Ohio, the character of the inhabitants is enterprising and energetic; but this vigor is very differently exercised in the two States. The white inhabitant of Ohio, who is obliged to subsist by his own exertions, regards temporal prosperity as the principal aim of his existence; and as the country which he occupies presents inexhaustible resources to his industry and ever-varying lures to his activity, his acquisitive ardor surpasses the ordinary limits of human cupidity: he is tormented by the desire of wealth, and he boldly enters upon every path which fortune opens to him; he becomes a sailor, a pioneer, an artisan, or a laborer with the same indifference, and he supports, with equal constancy, the fatigues and the dangers incidental to these various professions; the resources of his intelligence are astonishing, and his avidity in the pursuit of gain amounts to a species of heroism.
But the Kentuckian scorns not only labor, but all the undertakings which labor promotes; as he lives in an idle independence, his tastes are those of an idle man; money loses a portion of its value in his eyes; he covets wealth much less than pleasure and excitement; and the energy which his neighbor devotes to gain, turns with him to a passionate love of field sports and military exercises; he delights in violent bodily exertion, he is familiar with the use of arms, and is accustomed from a very early age to expose his life in single combat. Thus slavery not only prevents the whites from becoming opulent, but even from desiring to become so.
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But the Kentuckian scorns not only labor, but all the undertakings which labor promotes
One word excuses Kentuckians of all of their sin - Bourbon.
Posted by: Radagast the Brown Liquor Lover at March 05, 2011 09:34 AM (kyMr8)
Posted by: flurmf at March 05, 2011 09:41 AM (0mJX5)
Posted by: Artruen at March 05, 2011 09:44 AM (L+dBi)
Enslave everyone and the earth will be greener!
Posted by: Greg Toombs at March 05, 2011 09:45 AM (ofERm)
Posted by: CoolCzech at March 05, 2011 09:50 AM (tJjm/)
Posted by: Shit Jefferson Said, Vol. 3 at March 05, 2011 09:50 AM (1fB+3)
Posted by: CoolCzech at March 05, 2011 09:53 AM (tJjm/)
Posted by: Vmaximus at March 05, 2011 09:53 AM (9LrN7)
Posted by: CoolCzech at March 05, 2011 09:54 AM (tJjm/)
Posted by: soothsayer is not a timid woodland creature at March 05, 2011 09:55 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: CoolCzech at March 05, 2011 09:55 AM (tJjm/)
Posted by: Jesse Jackson at March 05, 2011 09:56 AM (zgZzy)
I found his chapter entitled, "Eurotrash - Why Is So Much of Their Porn Filmed Out of Doors?," particularly enlightening.
"Eurotrash." That is never not funny.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 05, 2011 09:57 AM (zgZzy)
Posted by: BUTCH at March 05, 2011 09:59 AM (uPUfN)
Posted by: CoolCzech at March 05, 2011 10:02 AM (tJjm/)
Posted by: CoolCzech at March 05, 2011 10:02 AM (tJjm/)
Posted by: Jacques Plante at March 05, 2011 10:03 AM (zgZzy)
2) There is an interesting comparison between deToqueville's argument about the effects of slavery on the "master" and the effects of Islamic conquest - an initially dynamic (if terrifying) cultural movement rapidly came to depend on the conquered/ enslaved/ controlled population and stagnated, repeatedly.
Almost all technological advances in Islamic countries have come from outside. Cultural advances are rolled back as often as they occur.
Note that when talking to an Islamist, the word "progress" is defined quite differently, mostly in terms of territory and not technology.
Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at March 05, 2011 10:05 AM (bxiXv)
Posted by: CoolCzech at March 05, 2011 10:05 AM (tJjm/)
25 I think it's obvious the real question before us is, How do Eurotitties compare to American ones?
Ours are real . . . and they're spectacular!
Posted by: Christina Hendricks at March 05, 2011 10:07 AM (zgZzy)
One word excuses Kentuckians of all of their sin - Bourbon.
"We had quitters during The Revolution, too. We called them, "Kentuckians!" - Ghost of George Washington, speaking to Lisa Simpson.
Posted by: Christina Hendricks at March 05, 2011 10:13 AM (zgZzy)
Then there's the 1970's "Neither Marx nor Jesus" by Ameriphile Jean-François Revel.
Apparently about every 150 years, on average, some Frenchie pulls his head out.
Posted by: sherlock at March 05, 2011 10:19 AM (81ia8)
Posted by: Ezra Klien at March 05, 2011 10:21 AM (jGXQI)
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 05, 2011 10:23 AM (NjYDy)
Posted by: soothsayer is not a timid woodland creature at March 05, 2011 10:25 AM (uFokq)
Posted by: Optimizer at March 05, 2011 10:25 AM (2lTU+)
24 1) Most ancient cultures were salve-holders, and, compared to modern cultures, stagnant. Many had an initial burst of innovation followed by stagnation. Obviously there's more to it than just that.
When we talk about Greece and Rome vis-a-vis slavery, we have to realize that slavery was part of what killed Rome. When the average Roman had access to slaves (mostly as tutors, etc.) it did make them lazy and unwilling to do hard work, like being part of the legions.
The effect Toqueville cites seems to happen when the vast majority of the citizenry has slaves or benefits from slave labor.
Oh, and can I just take this opportunity to parallel slavery to the exploitation of illegal immigrants? Thanks.
Posted by: AmishDude at March 05, 2011 10:25 AM (BvBKY)
Maybe it's his initial? Maybe his first name is Doug, smart guy!
Posted by: Charlie Sheen at March 05, 2011 10:27 AM (zgZzy)
Posted by: Billy "Hands" Jackson at March 05, 2011 10:27 AM (iYwUw)
What? It's friggin' Saturday, and I work too danged much.
Posted by: Fritz at March 05, 2011 10:28 AM (/8mBu)
Posted by: Soona at March 05, 2011 10:28 AM (h2D1x)
One of the reasons the north won was their clear advantage in the advancement and quantity of heavy industry.
And we in the North are so totally ninja!
Posted by: Wyatt Earp, Philly Native at March 05, 2011 10:29 AM (zgZzy)
I always wanted to get one of those Fresh Air Fund kids for the summer, let him live in my backyard shed with the tractor and have him mow the lawn, pick weeds and paint the house.
That's not slavery -- am I right?
Posted by: Ed Anger at March 05, 2011 10:30 AM (7+pP9)
Posted by: Wyatt Earp, Philly Native at March 05, 2011 10:32 AM (zgZzy)
Posted by: Schreiber at March 05, 2011 10:32 AM (FGYx/)
That is exactly right. You would just call him "Sade" if you were writing about him, not "de Sade."
Posted by: Jeff B. at March 05, 2011 10:33 AM (NjYDy)
Posted by: Optimizer at March 05, 2011 02:25 PM (2lTU+)
That's right, bitches. So get back to the fields. Maybe if you work hard and make me and my union buddies a lot of money, I'll let you have one of my wonderful "Volt" automobiles. By the way. Enjoy all the earth friendly greenery.
Posted by: Barak the Hussein at March 05, 2011 10:36 AM (h2D1x)
Posted by: James Tiberius Kirk at March 05, 2011 10:37 AM (iYwUw)
I have a Masonic sword in my hand, a piece on my lap, and a beer in my other.
Charlie represents freedom. Don't forget that.
Fucking cheers.
Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at March 05, 2011 10:37 AM (HMfo7)
It's not "de Tocqueville," incidentally. It's just "Tocqueville."
Just like it's not da Vinci, it's just Vinci.
It's not "The Donald" It's just Donald.
Posted by: Ohio Dan at March 05, 2011 10:44 AM (EH4cc)
Be careful what you watch. You don't want that gun to go off...
Posted by: HH at March 05, 2011 10:59 AM (6oDXl)
Posted by: Donna V. at March 05, 2011 11:11 AM (jzcOO)
There are wonderful scenes of the Crusades, especially on the back of the blade.
Yes, The Christian Crusades. Let them come again.
Fucking cheers.
Btw, all the bullshit, all the horrors of WW@ at least leant itself to one thing, that is the formation of the State of Israel.
Fuck Nazi-ism and Arabia. Dirty, plotting, bastards for a long fucking time.
Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at March 05, 2011 11:16 AM (HMfo7)
Rise up to the light.
Up, up and away (to quote the Kid Cudi song)...
Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at March 05, 2011 11:19 AM (HMfo7)
Right on man.
Posted by: The Drunken Conservative at March 05, 2011 11:21 AM (HMfo7)
Posted by: BUTCH at March 05, 2011 01:59 PM (uPUfN)
For starters, the northern geography made for more opportunities for mills powered by streams and rivers than in the South. For another, the relative lack of free slave labor provided a direct financial incentive to develop labor saving technology.
Posted by: CoolCzech at March 05, 2011 02:02 PM (tJjm/)
uh, iron ore and Banking. Anybody applying feel-good to the issue of American Slavery is failing to look it in the eye.
Posted by: Artruen at March 05, 2011 11:45 AM (L+dBi)
Posted by: Mitchell at March 05, 2011 12:02 PM (Ct9yl)
This was a theme of Charles Francis Adams in his essay, "'Tis Sixty Years Since" -
"it exercised a most pernicious influence upon those of the more advanced race, and especially upon that large majority of the more advanced race who were not themselves owners of slaves,--of that I have become with time ever more and more satisfied. "
(You can gloss over his comments about which "race" is more "advanced", if the 1913-ness of his mindset bothers you.)
Posted by: Zimriel at March 05, 2011 12:06 PM (Oebpk)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at March 05, 2011 01:17 PM (/EiLQ)
You know, while it was rare, free black men occasionally owned their own (black) slaves.
Also, I learned from the Twain autobiography that even though whites may not have owned slaves....they would rent them. That is exactly the kind of artful dodging that Duplicious DemoncRATS practice today.
Posted by: torabora at March 05, 2011 01:23 PM (Y6dh7)
Posted by: toby928™ at March 05, 2011 01:57 PM (GTbGH)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinton_Rowan_Helper
The book he wrote was called "The Impending Crisis in the South." I read about it from one of the books in my Grandfather's collection, "Meet General Grant." The Woodward book summarized it quite nicely. A good read if you can find it.
Posted by: Jerry at March 05, 2011 02:13 PM (ZS+lq)
Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at March 05, 2011 03:25 PM (D3DKs)
Posted by: Artruen at March 05, 2011 07:26 PM (L+dBi)
Posted by: Kevin at March 06, 2011 02:44 AM (1Rjug)
In short: He disliked slavery intensely - nothing wrong with that, it was (and still is) a pretty foul business - and he allowed his dislike to drive both his observations and the conclusions he drew from them, creating "logical" reasons for those conclusions along the way.
His writings on the subject are therefore of marginal historical interest, but have little basis in reality - all too typical of political "thinkers" of his era, particularly though not uniquely European ones.
Incidentally, despite allegations within The Simpsons or anywhere else, Kentuckians in early U.S. history were generally substantially more valiant and reliable in their homeland patriotism than average for the Colonies; being on the frontier, they needed those qualities to a greater extent, and had them in abundance.
Posted by: J.S.Bridges at March 09, 2011 10:49 AM (JEC64)
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de Toqueville...
isn't that Madison, Wi. on 4.20?
Posted by: garrett at March 05, 2011 09:31 AM (kyMr8)