1 The Mayor of Dearborn invokes the Ace of Spades Lifestyle Defense: "We're not under Shari'a because we have strip clubs."

2

The thing we need right now to properly start off the riot would be the Westboro Baptist Church showing up.

 

Better yet, have people submit requests from the Klan and whatnot for permits to protest outside synagoues and a Catholic church. Watch the bastards squirm.

3
Then Terry Jones must go ahead and get arrested.

4 Remember when Newsweek had a picture of a 'Flushed' Koran? Good times.. good times.

5 Do we need permits now to criticize the government?

6

I'll have you know the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint.

Enjoy your coffee.

7 1 The Mayor of Dearborn invokes the Ace of Spades Lifestyle Defense: "We're not under Shari'a because we have strip clubs."

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at April 21, 2011 01:09 PM (PLvLS)

My small town has no strip clubs.  Where is the fucking justice system in this country.

8 Why would I pray for Dearborn? Dearborn is part of the problem and none of the solution.

9 Patriotism is the highest form of dissent.

10 (I always wondered what happens to the lawyers in the bottom third of their class.)

My friendszh, I graduated at the bottom of my classh at the Naval Academy, and I'm living proof of how effective and productive a person can be despite that.  Just look at my record.

11

"They've also offered to let Jones speak in a "free speech zone" at City Hall."

I dislike Jones. But he has rights, the same rights, as the rest of us.

I think Jones should accept Dearborn's offer, to speak in the "free speech zone at City Hall" ...

... the one that extends a few TENS of miles (and in some cases, THOUSANDS of miles) in all directions

 

12 First Amendment? They've suspended the Fifth Amendment in Oklahoma.

They can now destroy people's property without notification, without Due Process, and without just compensation.

A 1978 law gives Cities and Counties this authority.

13 --I also can't help but wonder if this is a simple attempt to suppress the speech of a despicable guy like Jones masquerading as "public safety" concerns.

Why didn't we think of that?

14
And why do you feel the need to describe Jones as "despicable?"

I want to hear this answer, too.

Has he committed a single act of violence? Has he told a single lie about Islam?

15 Jones may be an asshole. But he is pushing buttons that desperately need to be pushed. I commend him.

16 Hey, I see a Digg This button, but no Facebook like this button.

17 I hear that Article II no longer has any purpose as well.

18 Everyone should say a prayers for Dearborn tomorrow.

Yes, infidels!  Five times, and on a rug, and with your arse in the air, and pointing the right way!

19

Dearborn officials said Jones can still demonstrate at one of two "free speech zones," including City Hall. Before denying the permit, city officials expressed concern about public safety, traffic and disruptions to nearby churches.

I was under the silly impression that virtually all of America is a "free speech zone"...

What if Terry Jones had planned to hold an anti-war protest outside a recruitment center in Dearborn?  Would the permit for that have been denied on such shaky grounds?

20

Why would I pray for Dearborn? Dearborn is part of the problem and none of the solution.

This.

And also whom would you have us pray for? It is of monumental indifference to me what happens to that city.

21 21 Jones may be an asshole. But he is pushing buttons that desperately need to be pushed. I commend him.

Posted by: maddogg at April 21, 2011 01:17 PM (OlN4e)

I agree with this. I consider "Islam" to be a threat to civilization. It is a particularly vicious meme that simply cannot be reasoned with. It's viciousness needs to be forced into the open so that all can see.

22 We needed Rev Jones several years ago.

23 The Dearbornistan area is a disgrace.  It's like being in a third world islamic hell-hole without the sand.  How did we allow this area to be totally taken over by islamist?  I just don't understand that.  And now that it is, the religion of pieces must be given deference to American laws and traditions.  Sickening.

24 First Amendment of what?

25 Jones is a genius. He has exposed a LOT about where we are. I think the precedent is quite firmly in place - want to be taken seriously? Just start killing motherfuckers.

26

"They've also offered to let Jones speak in a "free speech zone" at City Hall."

 

My wife and I call that a playpen. Or, for the teenager, my deaf ear. Let's see them prove that this is SOP if this was a bunch of union thugs or the NAACP.

27 I hope he shows up wearing a "Mustache Rides 10 Cents (first one free)" t-shirt.

28 I know Keith Ellison isn't from Michigan, but someone needs to get him and the other muzzy congress critter on tape responding to this news.  Their opinions will be invaluable come Nov. 2012.

29 This self-aggrandizing asshole just likes to stir trouble for no good reason. What a fag.

30

31 I always wondered what happens to the lawyers in the bottom third of their class I thought they were elected President with 52% of the vote.

32 Motherfuck the Muzzies. And Fuck Dearbornistan.

33

I love how Muslims are held to a lower standard of behaviour than the rest of us.

Will he burn a Koran? Will his protest signs have pictures of Mohammad on them? "The Muslims will riot so this must not go on," they cry...

Beautiful.

Eventually girls can't walk around like uncovered slabs of meat in front of the starving dogs and it goes on and on.

And you're a better person for me for praying for Dearborn. I had relatives that lived there. I wouldn't cry if the place was annihilated.

 

34 Jones should go ahead with his protest and then be cited for burning trash without a permit.

35 ""Yes, infidels!  Five times, and on a rug, and with your arse in the air, and pointing the right way!""

I almost backed over a dude in a home depot parking lot because of that shit. He was behind  his car on the ground with his rug, and his car was behind mine. The only thing that stopped him from getting his 72 virgins was when I looked in my rear view mirror as I was backing up I saw his open trunk, where he kept the rug. I didn't see him until I started really looking around.

36 Jones is lining himself up to be a martyr. He isn't stupid. He has accepted his fate. He has decided to sacrifice himself for his faith againse Islam. And for this he is called dumbass. May I suggest a mirror?

37 This is the same city that arrested Christians for silently handing our pamphlets (on request) near or in front of a mosque.  Of course the charges were dropped, but Dearborn's turned into a little sharia state.  I live near there & I won't even drive through it.

38 This Rev Jones is really pulling off the John Brown look, as well.

39 "Jones says he's going anyway and that he and his followers will be armed to protect themselves if the Dearborn PD won't."

So this boils down to: 'I'm going to try my damnedest to incite you to violence and then shoot you if you can't control yourself even though I'm inciting you, and claim self-defense.'

40 >> Posted by: Fred Phelps at April 21, 2011 01:22 PM (+lsX1)

Damn. You beat me to it.

This'll make for a good compare/contrast exercise with all the people who support the Westboro jagoffs little-known 1st amendment "Right To Be a Douchebag and Not Get Your Ass Kicked".

41 And why do you feel the need to describe Jones as "despicable?"

I want to hear this answer, too.

Has he committed a single act of violence? Has he told a single lie about Islam?

Posted by: Soothsayer 6 of 8 at April 21, 2011 01:16 PM (uFokq)

Yeah, it does have the feel of the obligatory condemnation, doesn't it?  Honestly, I've never listened to the guy, I just read about him and all that I know is "he wants to burn a Koran".

Now, I'm not sure what sort of magic holiness there is in a post-Guttenberg Koran that is probably typeset in Times New Roman font, in English (they insist the only real Korans are in Arabic), with a cardboard cover stuffed into a cardboard box, shipped via a truck to your local Borders Barnes & Noble Amazon distribution center (thank you Tom Friedman!), put on shelves by (gasp!) women and sold to any silly kafir that pays for it.

I think they made the whole Koran protocol up as nothing more than to intimidate the West. The fact is that defacing a Koran is simply an insult, not to Allah, but to them and Muslims can't take being insulted. It's really nothing more nor less than sticking a middle finger in the air and directing it towards the Muslim world.

I've been thinking, more and more, that Jones is comparable to abolitionist John Brown, though.  A bit less batshit crazy, but there are comparisions.

42 RE: "waive signs" Might want to fix that typo.

43 When your high school is referred to as Hezbollah High that might be a clue that you have a problem.

I don't think their mascot is the Crusaders either.

Jones is turning into as big an attention whore as those Westboro folks and I would think the Supreme Court ruling in their favor would also support this fellow.

44
JEA is qualified to comment at wonkette with all the other dunces.

45 JEA, why don't you haul your candy lightweight ass up to Dearborn and put a stop to this man, Jones. I know you can do it. Just hit him with the power of your ideas. Heh.

46 I always wondered what happens to the lawyers in the bottom third of their class

I thought they were elected President with 52% of the vote.

Er, uh, uh, you're assuming I, uh, was actually in a graduating class.

47 47 This Rev Jones is really pulling off the John Brown look, as well.

Posted by: Jean at April 21, 2011 01:27 PM (WkuV6)

Beat me to it.

48
Jones is the one inciting violence.

Have you ever heard something so fucking stupid in your lives?

49 These guys need to be smart about this stuff. They should have filed an application to throw a pro Muslim rally, under a fictitious name, at or near that time and watch it sail right through the process to expose the double standards and hypocrisy.

50 Idiot.

If he wanted a permit to burn a Koran, he should of asked for a permit to burn an American flag and a Koran.

51

Ace, you may not like Jones' methods, but he's doing a service by exposing a dangerous trend.  Too many Americans seem to buy into the notion that we need to self-censor to avoid offending the adherents of the religion of peace.  Unfortunately, a lot of those Americans occupy positions of power like prosecutor, judge, city councilperson or Senator *cough * *Lindsey Graham* *cough*.

Jones puts the conflict between western  values of free speech and the barbarian values of murder-anyone-who-doesn't-exhibit-complete-reverence-for-my-sacred-shit front and center.  If it causes some of the public to turn off American Idol and start asking uncomfortable questions, that's a good thing.

52 JackStraw and I saw Mark Steyn speak a couple of months ago, and this is right down the fairway of one of his Q&A comments on how he, Ann Coulter and others critical of Islam are often denied their free speech rights in the name of "public safety."

53 Sorry, that's Gabe not Ace.  Hi Gabe!  *waves*

54 So let me get this straight.

Islam has declared jihad on pretty much the entire world, and to that end has murdered untold numbers of innocents.

And it's this koran burner that's "despicable"?

My, what an interesting perspective.

55 So this boils down to: 'I'm going to try my damnedest to incite you to violence and then shoot you if you can't control yourself even though I'm inciting you, and claim self-defense.'

Posted by: JEA at April 21, 2011 01:28 PM (lP8dE)

This kind of stupidity should hurt.

56 63 JackStraw and I saw Mark Steyn speak a couple of months ago, and this is right down the fairway of one of his Q&A comments on how he, Ann Coulter and others critical of Islam are often denied their free speech rights in the name of "public safety."

Posted by: Andy at April 21, 2011 01:33 PM (5Rurq)

To be fair, this happens for any right-wing speaker. Colleges used to do this a lot to conservatives generally but they aren't getting away with it as much anymore.

57 If he wanted a permit to burn a Koran, he should of asked for a permit to burn an American flag and a Koran.

Posted by: RayJ at April 21, 2011 01:32 PM (2oRAd)

"...well we were going to burn a Bible, but due to a regrettable clerical error on the part of my staff..."

58 The Rev will wind up having a hot poker scar his arse if he dares burn even one word of GOD.

59 ""Jones puts the conflict between western  values of free speech and the barbarian values of murder-anyone-who-doesn't-exhibit-complete-reverence-for-my-sacred-shit front and center.  If it causes some of the public to turn off American Idol and start asking uncomfortable questions, that's a good thing.""

Fuck yeah. Although my dark side wishes he would just get the frigging holy war started, so we can end this shit once and for all.

60 Yeah, but come on - the Holocaust survivors in Skokie, IL, were hardly likely to behead the American Nazi Party members who marched through their town.  Can you say anything similar about the residents of Dearborn?

61 Hope Jones is bringing enough monkey god idols.

62
Everyone, be careful. JEA has a warning for us all.

If a Muslim attacks and wants to blow you up or cut off your head, the FIRST thing you should do is Stop Inciting the Muslim.

Then play dead.

And don't wear the color yellow. Muslims hate the color yellow.

Or is that bees? Whatever. Just be careful around muslims.

63 So this boils down to: 'I'm going to try my damnedest to incite you to violence and then shoot you if you can't control yourself even though I'm inciting you, and claim self-defense.'

Posted by: JEA

 

So it boils down to Jones does what you do.

64 Doesn't the word "bible" mean  "a collection of books"?
Sounds pretty open ended to me.

65 Yeah, but come on - the Holocaust survivors in Skokie, IL, were hardly likely to behead the American Nazi Party members who marched through their town.  Can you say anything similar about the residents of Dearborn?

Posted by: stuiec

 

"First rule of provocation: Select a person or group who will not be provoked" - Mark Steyn

What is interesting is that this guy is clearly not scared of this. Whether it's a matter of more guts than sense I dunno.

66 If a Muslim attacks and wants to blow you up or cut off your head, the FIRST thing you should do is Stop Inciting the Muslim.

But what doesn't Incite the Muslim?

/Even infidels at room temperature incite Islamists. 

67 Is this going to be like the nonevent when Fred Phelp's merry band of misanthropes protested up there?  (Hmm, interesting thoughts on that.)

I say let Dearbornistan burn.

68

The permit denial is just part of the First Amendment problem here. A county prosecutor, citing her fears that the protest will spark a riot, has also filed a petition with the local court to issue an injunction to prevent Jones from protesting. (I always wondered what happens to the lawyers in the bottom third of their class.)

Both of these actions -- the permit denial and an injunction, if the court grants it -- violate the First Amendment. This is a heckler's veto. Dearborn and the county prosecutor aren't saying that Jones will commit any violence. Rather, they expect that the Muslims in Dearborn will be simply unable to control themselves in the face of religious criticism and start a riot.

Why doesn't the prosecutor instead petition the court to issue an injunction against counter-protesters interfering with Jones's group and their right to assemble and speak? Naw, the prosecutor can't be expected to stand up against his constituents to do the right thing. That would take, you know, balls.

69
okay, right now, you are inciting Muslims

so just stop what you're doing

70 And don't wear the color yellow. Muslims hate the color yellow.

Do not taunt muslim.  If muslim begins to smoke, seek shelter and cover head.

71

When Muslims' sensibilities might be offended and their feelings hurt, there seems to be no problem interpreting the law so as to provide for squelching these religious wackos from expressing themselves. OK, I get it, I guess.

Interesting, however, that when religious wackos decide to disrupt a military hero's funeral, a bereaved family and friends must all swallow their misery and suppress whatever feelings THEY might have, so as to accomodate the wack-jobs right of self-expression.

This interpretation of the law could conceivably be interpreted as Dhimmitude, or at best, kowtowing and catering to a politically correct group. 

72
see? That.

Right there. What you just you did. Can't do it. It incites muslims.

Now when you get attacked it's your own fault.

73 Dearborn and Hamtramck are FUCKING GONE. Hamtramck must be an Official Holy IzSlum City by now. Getting off I-75 was a real eye opener. You'd swear you weren't in the United States. FUCKING GONE. Goodbye.

74
Someone funny and twisted needs to write a pamphlet...

How To Ward Off A Muslim Attack

75 If Jones REALLY wanted to stir things up, he should go to Dearborn and protest at a Muslim funeral with signs that say "God hates Goatfuckers" or something.

76 87 If Jones REALLY wanted to stir things up, he should go to Dearborn and protest at a Muslim funeral with signs that say "God hates Goatfuckers" or something.

Now that speech is Constitutionally protected, as per the recent Supreme Court decision. 

77
So this boils down to: 'I'm going to try my damnedest to incite you to violence and then shoot you if you can't control yourself even though I'm inciting you, and claim self-defense.'

Posted by: JEA at April 21, 2011 01:28 PM (lP8dE)

Say, I never thought of it that way.  Clearly anyone who hears something he doesn't like is justified in committing violence against the speaker because he was incited by the speaker.

By the way, JEA: you are inciting me.

78 #70

Yeah, true, but he's not burning the word of God, he's burning the Quran.  I think his arse is safe.

79 What if he burned a Koran, a Bible, and a Torah?

80

The Mayor of Dearborn invokes the Ace of Spades Lifestyle Defense: "We're not under Shari'a because we have strip clubs."

Well, a jihadi's got to have a place to hang out the night before he rams a plane into a building.

81 Posted by: Happy Fun Muslim at April 21, 2011 01:41 PM (QKKT0)

Thread winner!

82 So this boils down to: 'I'm going to try my damnedest to incite you to violence and then shoot you if you can't control yourself even though I'm inciting you, and claim self-defense.'

I know, right?

And don't get me started on all those people carrying cash inciting me to robbery.  Or these women inciting me to rape with their uncovered faces.  And then they act like they aren't responsible, even though they were inciting me.  Unbelievable.

83 91 What if he burned a Koran, a Bible, and a Torah?

What I'd do, if I were Jones, is burn a Bible with a Koran cover. 

84 1. Seething

2. Incited

3. Batshit Crazy

85
If I'm ever on trial for murder, I hope I get 12 JEA's on my jury.

86 Do not taunt muslim.  If muslim begins to smoke, seek shelter and cover head.

Posted by: Happy Fun Muslim at April 21, 2011 01:41 PM (QKKT0)

One: Avoid Eye Contact.

Two: If There Are No Eyes, Avoid All Contact.

Three: BEWARE!  Your Brain May No Longer Be The Boss.  If You Are Beginning To Doubt What I Am Saying, You Are Probably Hallucinating.

87 If I'm ever on trial for murder, I hope I get 12 JEA's on my jury. Posted by: Soothsayer 6 of 8 at April 21, 2011 01:48 PM (uFokq) If I'm ever on trial for murder, I sure hope it was worth it!

88 The Dearbornistan area is a disgrace.    How did we allow this area to be totally taken over by islamist? 

Posted by: Havedash at April 21, 2011 01:20 PM (sFD5n)

First, we made the mistake of letting them in the country. Then we let them flock together for mutual support.  Then we let them stay.  And then breed like rats, while bringing over family members.  Stupid, horrible policy decisions. 

There's still time to eliminate this problem, if only we had the will.  They'll do it to us given the chance. 

This city did the same thing last year - the police jailed people who were legally, peacefully sharing their non-muslim faith in public, during some kind of muz fest.  The government of that city is already in the hands of the enemy, and so is the police department. 

89 Don't tell me there isn't an established religion in this country; when shit like this and the Bible burning/coran reverence story the other day don't end up with people being fired and lawsuits.

90 If I'm ever on trial for murder, I hope I get 12 JEA's on my jury.

Posted by: Soothsayer 6 of 8

 

Court is recessed for 10 minutes to allow for the jury drool buckets to be changed.

91 39 I always wondered what happens to the lawyers in the bottom third of their class

I thought they were elected President with 52% of the vote.

Posted by: hindmost at April 21, 2011 01:24 PM (t6Jvs)

He's not a lawyer anymore. He gave up his law license rather than face accusations of lying on his bar exam.

92 The title of this story should be "Terrorism Wins, Part 134225324"

93 Muslims Fear Anti-Islam Backlash From Tomorrow's Beheading of Terry Jones.

94 91 What if he burned a Koran, a Bible, and a Torah?

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 21, 2011 01:45 PM (0GFWk)

Here's some fun- wrap a koran, a Torah, and a Bible in identical, unmarked cardboard boxes.  Randomly choose one and burn it.  Will the Muzzies riot?

Call it "Schrodinger's koran".

95 To connect this with Ace's previous post, this is yet another case of a 'caring' government not expecting all of its' citizens to act with the proper restraint. The Dearborn Muslim community should be up in arms, not over an inconsequential turd such as Jones, but over their elected government thinking that they're a bunch of loose cannons, a bunch of children who need coddling.

96 That First Amendment is totally old and stuff. I mean, what, a hundred years or something? Like, seriously, those old white writers weren't really hip to, you know, stuff.

97
Back in the olden all immigrants assimilated so they could thrive in America.

Today, political correctness has removed all obligations of assimilation.

We did this.

98 Angry Anderson of Rose Tattoo said it best concerning Muslim immigration to Australia: "If you come here, you should behave yourself – it's as simple as that. If people come and live in any country and their way of life is so different they need their own special laws, then possibly they have to pick somewhere else to live. "

99 What I'd do, if I were Jones, is burn a Bible with a Koran cover. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at April 21, 2011 01:47 PM (9hSKh)

He should burn a symbolic Koran. Just a book with a plain cover that says "Koran" on the front.

I guarantee you that there will be many Muslim "scholars" who will say that it's just as bad.

100 87 If Jones REALLY wanted to stir things up, he should go to Dearborn and protest at a Muslim funeral with signs that say "God hates Goatfuckers" or something.

Ummmmm you need to elaborate a little more on that....they are EXPLODING GOAT FUCKERS©

101 1. Seething

2. Incited

3. Batshit Crazy

Posted by: The Muslim Early Warning System™ at April 21, 2011 01:47 PM (27KAF)

That would work great if they were not already all of those things all of the fucking time.

102 When Pastor Jones is murdered, we will owe him a debt of gratitude we will never be able to repay. They better come ready for bear, though. I get the impression he won't go like two little girls in the back of a cab.

103

Why doesn't the prosecutor instead petition the court to issue an injunction against counter-protesters interfering with Jones's group and their right to assemble and speak?

Posted by: stuiec at April 21, 2011 01:40 PM (ELpjS)

I'm sure he doesn't dare.  The Dearborn police will not enforce the injunction.  Then the whole rotten situation will be exposed.  There was a post on Jawa Report a few weeks back regarding some law suit being filed against the Dearborn police - for covering up Sharia-related crime.

104
exactly

Muslims are perpetually incited.

It's what makes them muslims.

105 The truly disturbing part of all of this is that it takes a little bit crazy preacher from a little southern church to light a fire that sould have been lit long ago. We, those of us that believe in the Constitution, have had to wait on a half crazy bastard like this to do these things and speak these words. Terry Jones is now conservative leadership? WTF.

106 1. Seething

2. Incited

3. Batshit Crazy

Posted by: The Muslim Early Warning System™ at April 21, 2011 01:47 PM (27KAF)

They still have stages 1 and 2 in there? Those haven't been used in at least 14 centuries....

107 He's not a lawyer anymore. He gave up his law license rather than face accusations of lying on his bar exam.

"What's wrong with the legal profession, Part 134225324"

He already took the damned exam and benefited from it. You don't let him slink away, you forcibly disbar him for life.

108

Keeping with the Michigan theme -

Now tell me.  Could there be a more appropriate metaphor for BarryÂ’s presidency?

Nobel Prize Winner – chuckle.  Car of the Year – chuckle, chuckle.  Merit for either?  ROFLMAO!!

109 We, those of us that believe in the Constitution, have had to wait on a half crazy bastard like this to do these things and speak these words.

Meh, it happens every 150 years or so.

110

I commented with this earlier.  Please don't shoot me.

Whoa!  I bet Lindsey Fucking Graham his going ape shit over this!

What?  He isnÂ’t?  You sure?

111 Does anybody else have a concern with Dearborn Muslim police having access to FBI databases and networks and other police information, outside of Dearborn? Or have I humped the shark?

112

My hometown.  Gotta love the insanity.

BTW - This just proves that little thing Insty wrote after the 'Piss Christ' was vandalized in France.

113 We keep seeing the same post (an example at 11 from UNE.  Anyone read Arabic?  Is it the required warning to infidels to convert or die?

114 Terry Jones may have hit upon a winning formula - for every Koran burned, approximately 12 Muslims are killed in the ensuing ragefest. Most likely, they are "moderate" Muslims being killed, but if we burn enough Korans, soon there will be no moderate Muslims. Every Muslim left is now obviously a target. And we never had to wage war on Islam. Just burn some books. Gentlemen, NOW is the time to start sucking each other's dicks.

115 When Pastor Jones is murdered, we will owe him a debt of gratitude we will never be able to repay. They better come ready for bear, though. I get the impression he won't go like two little girls in the back of a cab.

Posted by: maddogg

 

It's an honor to be nominated and all, but I'd rather be sitting in Cannes right now.

116 125, Local Police do not have access to FBI stuff but your point is well taken. They have access to most things local.

117

>>> They better come ready for bear, though. I get the impression he won't go like two little girls in the back of a cab.

 

I'll be shocked if there are not a bunch of Michigan Militia types there to back him up..........and as crazy as muzzies are you get a bunch of those guy's and sprinkle in some Skinheads and Ayrian Nation guys in there, they will make those muzzies* look like choir boys.

*Those muzzies probably won't be full blown islamo rage boys just wanna be islamo rage boys.

118

For some perspective from an extremely talented writer, visit the Seraphic Secret blog.

The guy has got some perspective.

119 A former soldier has been sentenced to 70 days in prison for setting fire to a copy of Muslim holy book the Koran in the centre of Carlisle. Â… The 32-year-old, of Summerhill, said he had been "shocked" watching a Muslim burning a poppy on Remembrance Day. Â… While being handcuffed he shouted: "What about my country? What about burning poppies?"

120 127 We keep seeing the same post (an example at 11 from UNE.  Anyone read Arabic?  Is it the required warning to infidels to convert or die?

I read Arabic...It says "dirka dirka dirka jihad"

121

First, we made the mistake of letting them in the country. Then we let them flock together for mutual support.  Then we let them stay.  And then breed like rats, while bringing over family members.  Stupid, horrible policy decisions. 

There's still time to eliminate this problem, if only we had the will.  They'll do it to us given the chance. 

This city did the same thing last year - the police jailed people who were legally, peacefully sharing their non-muslim faith in public, during some kind of muz fest.  The government of that city is already in the hands of the enemy, and so is the police department. 

Posted by: Reactionary at April 21, 2011 01:49 PM (xUM1Q)

Dispicable.  If you think about what this country has turned in to over the last 50 years, there's no way it can survive.  Unless there are drastic changes, there's no way America as we know it is going to be here much longer.  I've been to Dearbornistan several times, and I can tell you that this area is no longer America!

We cannot continue to sit passively by and permit this kind of stuff.  Something's going to have to change and fast, or it's over.  There's no other rational conclusion. 

So, to this point, I say bravo Mr Jones.  Thank you for doing your part to shine a light on this nest of sub-human cultish filth and the dhimi cowards who are supporting these savages.

122

If traffic flow is sufficient, in and of itself, to define a compelling state interest sufficient to authorize prior restraint on speach....

Then isn't the fact that the President shows up in Los Angeles at rush hour, so he can speak at a fund raiser, and the anticipated traffic congestion that will inevitably procede from that, sufficient to keep Barry locked in at the White House?

 

 

123 You know, thinking about it, the public safety angle is actually solid.  We know that if he burns a koran in front of a mosque, there will be violence.  With said violence, there may be, if the justice system has any balls left, some muzzies wind up in jail and/or prison, depending on the level of violence.

They will be in prisons, indoctrinating, much like they already are, and building an even bigger following of thugs and worthless members of society.  These thugs and deadbeats will grow as muzzies in large numbers and become a horde of nasties that rape and pillage all over the countryside and will eventually take over the nation.

It's good to call it public safety because there's a chance, it's right.

124
and here's the long-time dunce troll, john ryan.

Same crap every comment -- the troll cleverly points out our hypocrisy.

And by cleverly, I mean fails utterly.

125 You really should learn the language of your future masters, kafir. You are missing out on all my links to man-goat love sites for the discriminating Muslim.

126
Was I just Socked^tm?

127 Posted by: Denny Crane at April 21, 2011 02:01 PM (nd0uY)


Do you have to practice at being this fucktarded, or is it as I suspect natural?

128 Well, you leave the meat uncovered then wonder why the cats are in it.

129

*sigh*  You know, I really hate being forced to stick up for this Jones guy's rights, but dammit, somebody has to. 

I wonder if the city denied the permit not because of fear that their local Muslim population might riot, but fear that lunatic muslims in places like Afghanistan will take the opportunity to slaughter more Westerners.  Not because they care necessarily about the slaughter -- though they ARE human, so I hope they do - but because they don't want to share the blame and thus the risk.  Not for nothing does it require a D to spell both Dearborn and dhimmi.

I find it darkly comic that Jones can be banned from protesting (in his loud, ignorant, hateful way) in front of a mosque on a Christian holy day, but Fred Phelps and his wacko Westboro Baptist cult can carry crude signs and shout filthy slogans at the funerals of our brave military men and women with virtual impunity.  Apparently the government realizes that law-abiding men and women such as make up a military funeral won't go insane and start butchering people over such a loathsome offense, whereas the vacuous, pre-pubescent mindset of the average Middle Eastern muslim renders him or her incapable of controlling their penchant for savagery. 

130 92

The Mayor of Dearborn invokes the Ace of Spades Lifestyle Defense: "We're not under Shari'a because we have strip clubs."

Well, a jihadi's got to have a place to hang out the night before he rams a plane into a building.

Posted by: Roy at April 21, 2011 01:45 PM (VndSC)

Well.  Played.

131 Free speech "zones."  And there are now places in America, "zones" that are not advisable to go into or through (for our safety, of course).  Either we are a free country or we are not.  Whether I agree w/ Jones' Koran burning or not is secondary here.  This denial is a restriction of his Constitutional right as an American.  Denied because it may incite riots?  Then bring the damned police in and ARREST those than incite the violence. 

132 You really should learn the language of your future masters, kafir. You are missing out on all my links to man-goat love sites for the discriminating Muslim. Better back the fuck off, Achmed. This is OUR country. These are OUR goats.

133 So, would the muzzies be mad if I blew my wad one bored night in a random hotel on the pages of a koran?

I mean, I would use the excuse of attempting to spread my seed onto the pages in an effort to become one with the book and bring back the prophet......

134 So this boils down to: 'I'm going to try my damnedest to incite you to violence and then shoot you if you can't control yourself even though I'm inciting you, and claim self-defense.'

Posted by: JEA at April 21, 2011 01:28 PM (lP8dE)

so JEA, do you feel the same about those that protest and call our military baby killers?

provocation ? so should they be able to protest or not?

do those in dearborn , have less rights or more?

can they not be trusted to sit and listen or ignore as others do?

135 130 -- thanks for pointing it out. I was always under the impression that if there was a murder or a kidnapping that many of the locale law enforcement groups were intertwined to be able to feed information back and forth. But it is probably more of an upload only with no download, so to speak.

136 They will be in prisons, indoctrinating, much like they already are, and building an even bigger following of thugs and worthless members of society.  These thugs and deadbeats will grow as muzzies in large numbers and become a horde of nasties that rape and pillage all over the countryside and will eventually take over the nation.

It's good to call it public safety because there's a chance, it's right.

Posted by: © Sponge at April 21, 2011 02:03 PM (UK9cE)

This is true, at least in part, but beside the point.  No matter what we fear those animals might do, we must preserve the right to free speech.  As for them taking over the nation - thankfully there's no chance of that yet.  Regular Americans are still too well armed.

This observation does speak to a different issue, though.  Most of the scum in the high security prisons are vermin who should be eliminated.  Muz indoctrination in the prisons is one of the best arguements there is for vastly expanded use of capital punishment.  As far as I'm concerned, anything from armed robbery on up should get the death penalty. 

137 145, Apparently the government realizes that law-abiding men and women such as make up a military funeral won't go insane and start butchering people over such a loathsome offense, whereas the vacuous, pre-pubescent mindset of the average Middle Eastern muslim renders him or her incapable of controlling their penchant for savagery. Yep, that's what it is. Our local Govs are well trained aren't they?

138
It's only a short matter of time until Terry Jones is charged with a Hate Crime every time he speaks out against Islam.

139

And....just as a follow-up....

Just what does anyone think of a "Burn a Holy Book" day?

As a piece of "performance art" (and we all know how popular that performance art stuff can be)....it would be evocative to assemble a collection of holy books from all around the world.

We could get a Bible, a Bhagavad Gita, a Book of Mormon, a Koran, the Zend Avesta, the Tipitaka, the Kojiki, (I am certain thate area several I have missed) andthen light them up....

It will be a part of the statement of this piece of art, to witness the reactions of the adherants to the various religions to this desacration of their holy books.

140 Hey, come one now. I am in the bottom third of my class at a well ranked school. Still, I am not an idiot liberal. Regardless, did they not read the last Supreme Ct. opinion on the subject. You can't ask for a more law abiding group of scumbags like Westborough Baptist.

141 Test case: wrap an American flag around a Koran and burn the flag.

142 The permit was undoubtedly denied for fear of peaceful reprisals.

143
Can you imagine MADD being denied a permit to protest drunk drivers who drive and kill people because some drunk drivers would be "incited" into getting drunk, jumping into their cars, and running over people?

144

If traffic flow is sufficient, in and of itself, to define a compelling state interest sufficient to authorize prior restraint on speach.... to suggest to the smartest man in the World to do what many other people do and adjust their schedule to avoid rush hour.

Then isn't the fact that the President shows up in Los Angeles at rush hour, so he can speak at a fund raiser, and the anticipated traffic congestion that will inevitably procede from that, sufficient to keep Barry locked in at the White House? to determine that this clown isn't nearly as smart or compassionate as he and his happy little demons purport him to be?

sted by: Denny Crane  

THDOOHMFY

Took His Dick Out Of His Mouth For You

 

Now breathe.

 

 

145 The invention of the "hate crime" is a monument to the gargantuan stupidity of the Left.

146

It will be a part of the statement of this piece of art, to witness the reactions of the adherants to the various religions to this desacration of their holy books.

Been there, done that.

147 Terry Jones is not sane, but who cares, for he serves a useful purpose in the defense of free speech. If you are allowed to insult Christians, Jews, Pagans, etc, than you have the right to insult Muslims. No ideology and no religion should be made safe from critical analysis in country. Jones maybe a "despicable guy" for some here, but thank god we have this "despicable guy" to show us normal folks just how our rights are being trampled upon. He burned a Quran, folks, on his own property. Thats it, he did not kill anyone, he did not call on anyone to be killed, he did not demand that people must be forced accept his opinion...yet somehow, people who should know better, are freaking out over his actions. Some use the argument that he should be blamed for the violence and that he should be stopped because we have troops in harms way in the Islamic world. This argument is wrong, what is the point of having our troops in harms way in the Islamic world, if we here in America must give up our liberty to appease our enemies? We might as well set up Sharia law now....because we have lost.

148

Posted by: Denny Crane at April 21, 2011 02:14 PM (nd0uY)

Dude, you probably don't know this, but you're socking a troll.

149 If the muz ever manage to sneak a nuke into the US, I hope it prematurely detonates in Dearborn.  Cuz you can bet your bottom dollar it will pass through that hell hole on its way to it's final target.

150 161, wow, that's a good point.

151 In Australia, Fox reports that "asylum-seekers" are unhappy about something...and are burning the buildings to the ground.  Fox didn't report on the race/nationalities of those seeking asylum, but I'm pretty sure they're not a bunch of Brits and Canadians seeking better weather.  Religion of peace, my ass.

152 Mebbe I was too hasty. The "gun free zone" might be a more galactic piece of Leftard stupidity.

153 We could get a Bible, a Bhagavad Gita, a Book of Mormon, a Koran, the Zend Avesta, the Tipitaka, the Kojiki, (I am certain thate area several I have missed) and then light them up....

You left out Dreams from My Father-- another cult favorite.

154

You have the right to free speech...

Unless you're dumb enough to actually try it.

Know your rights. 

These are your rights.

155 Just what does anyone think of a "Burn a Holy Book" day?

As a piece of "performance art"

Yeah, we call that "Tuesday at the NEA."

Although the other religions might be a little surprised at getting what we call the "Christian treatment."

156 The invention of the "hate crime" is a monument to the gargantuan stupidity of the Left.

Posted by: maddogg at April 21, 2011 02:16 PM (OlN4e)

Alas - it's a testament to their evil and cleverness, rather than stupidity.  Through those laws they have made the idea of a "thought-crime" real in America.  It's their triumph.  It opened the door - soon they'll be able to have people like us jailed or killed without our even having commited an actual crime.

157 ""If the muz ever manage to sneak a nuke into the US, I hope it prematurely detonates in Dearborn.  Cuz you can bet your bottom dollar it will pass through that hell hole on its way to it's final target.""


The true art of the warrior would be to make it go off in Dearborn.

So says Sun Tzu

158

Alas - it's a testament to their evil and cleverness, rather than stupidity.  Through those laws they have made the idea of a "thought-crime" real in America.  It's their triumph.  It opened the door - soon they'll be able to have people like us jailed or killed without our even having commited an actual crime.

Posted by: Reactionary at April 21, 2011 02:20 PM (xUM1Q)

Only if we stand for it. I don't plan to.

159 168, I think you could throw in there Keynesian Econ, and the my two mommys/daddys childrens books.

160 What is this, masquerade as a troll from somewhere else day?  Sheesh...

161

Only if we stand for it. I don't plan to.

Posted by: maddogg at April 21, 2011 02:22 PM (OlN4e)

Damn good point.  This is why lead is the true precious metal.

162

@31: "I think the precedent is quite firmly in place - want to be taken seriously? Just start killing motherfuckers."

Wish I could remember the exact quote, but a Roman writer basically stated that violence and brutality are simply forms of communication.

163
My favorite muslim funeral, (and I have many), was the one when they were carrying the wrapped body on a board through the streets.

Then they dropped the body. Scrambled around for a moment. Realized they were being filmed. And then they all scurried away...including the dead body.

164 ""Mebbe I was too hasty. The "gun free zone" might be a more galactic piece of Leftard stupidity.""


The best we can do when shit hits to fan is to NOT help anybody in those zones. Ooops sorry, no guns allowed. Here's a nice shinny new slingshot for you, have fun.

165

Here's some fun- wrap a koran, a Torah, and a Bible in identical, unmarked cardboard boxes.  Randomly choose one and burn it.  Will the Muzzies riot?

Call it "Schrodinger's koran".

Posted by: Nighthawk at April 21, 2011 01:51 PM (OtQXp)

I LIKE this idea.  it has merit.  The most important thing, though, is that once you've burned the chosen box, you never open the other two.  Otherwise the wave form collapses and all the quantum is squandered.  No, you have to make sure the other boxes remain closed and unopened.  Then the Muslims will have to ask themselves:

"Do I riot because they might have burned the Koran, but by doing so risk rioting over a burned Bible or *shudder* Torah, thus making myself an apostate?  Or do I not riot, because there's no way of knowing if the book in the box was a Koran, but by doing so risk not being viewed as a good Muslim lunatic worthy of 72 virgins?" 

I envision whole legions of muslims just standing dead still, their eyes darting back and forth like penguins watching a tennis match as they try to decide what to do.

166 It opened the door - soon they'll be able to have people like us jailed or killed without our even having commited an actual crime.

Posted by: Reactionary at April 21, 2011 02:20 PM (xUM1Q)

Are we not now considered terrorist threats?

Isn't that what Napo said last year?

I'm waiting for the law that says our political affliations must be displayed on all forms of ID - any without a D will get even more special TSA treatment... wink*wink.

167 YES, pray for Dearborn. Or more precisely, pray for the conversion of all Muslims in Dearborn. Problem solved.

168 Wonder if little Linsey Graham is going to go to Dearbornistan this weekend to chastise Mr Jones?  Wonder if sweet little Linsey will strip his shirt off and flail himself to attone for the hate crimes and incitement of those who do not show proper adoration the holy book of the prophet? 

169 ACLU Michigan says this violates Jones constitutional rights.  So does a Muslim lawyer who has previously burned an effigy of Jones. 

http://tinyurl.com/4xphmqc

170

The ONLY purpose of "free speech" is to protect unpopular speech, including (but not limited to) the hate expressed within the Koran, as well as the ability of others to condemn it symbolically by burning them.

 

171 The best we can do when shit hits to fan is to NOT help anybody in those zones. Ooops sorry, no guns allowed. Here's a nice shinny new slingshot for you, have fun.

Posted by: Berserker at April 21, 2011 02:24 PM (FMbng)

I can see it all now: Crazed madman with a collection of weapons and ammo bought on the street from zerO's base constituents heads off to the local school to murder some kids. But then he sees THE SIGN. "This is a gun free zone". "Well, shit" he exclaims, and turns around.....

172 YES, pray for Dearborn. Or more precisely, pray for the conversion of all Muslims in Dearborn.
Problem solved.

Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at April 21, 2011 02:24 PM (g9neE)

Indeed, it is good to pray for the conversion of the muslims.  I do, regularly.  But in the mean time, we must act in self defense.  Sadly, I think we all know full well that a massive swell of conversions in Dearbornistan is unlikely, and meanwhile they plot against us with great malice.

173 185 YES, pray for Dearborn. Or more precisely, pray for the conversion of all Muslims in Dearborn.
Problem solved.

Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at April 21, 2011 02:24 PM (g9neE)

Sorry, but the only conversion I think is possible for this sub-human trash is the conversion from animate carbon to inanimate dust - preferably mingled with pig fat! 

174 Dude, you probably don't know this, but you're socking a troll.

I've always wanted to sock a troll, but I consider my right hook deficient.

175 To Dearborn city council:

Here's a diagram of your free speech zone:

Sea -->   free speech zone   <---Shining Sea

176 So do you it is also free speech to burn a cross in front of a black church during services or to burn effigies and the Torah in front of a synagogue or burn the American flag in front of the entrance to Arlington during memorial day? Speech whose purpose is to cause fear, intimidation or incitement should not be protected. it is easily distinguishable by a reasonable person so I don't buy the slippery slope argument. Now If Jones is truthful when he says he will not burn a Koran then he has a case to be made except it seems to me in doing so he is infringing on others first amendment rights to freedom of religion by having the government provide authorization for this disruption of worship.

177

I envision whole legions of muslims just standing dead still, their eyes darting back and forth like penguins watching a tennis match as they try to decide what to do.

Posted by: MWR at April 21, 2011 02:24 PM (4df7R)

EXACTLY!

It's the ultimate secret weapon in the anti-jihad!

178 Can I get an NEA grant for this art?

http://tinyurl.com/3p49hpn

179 198, nope, just thunderous moron applause.

180 Now If Jones is truthful when he says he will not burn a Koran then he has a case to be made except it seems to me in doing so he is infringing on others first amendment rights to freedom of religion by having the government provide authorization for this disruption of worship.

...except the way it's being dealt with effectively establishes Islam as a privileged religion, which is pretty blatantly against the First Amendment right there.

If you protect one, you must protect all.  If you do not protect one, it's got to be free for all.  Sorry, but it's that simple.

181

@86: "Someone funny and twisted needs to write a pamphlet...

How To Ward Off A Muslim Attack"

1. Obey sharia law.

2. Be polite and deferential.

3. Turn that shit off - music is haram

4. Muzzle and veil your woman

5. Bring an Imam friend.

182

198 Can I get an NEA grant for this art?

No. Not unless you pass it through your kidneys and apply it directly to the waste of paper.

183 How is this different from Westboro Baptist Church?

184

@110: " islam just doesn't need such concepts, as it moves more by forcing its adherents into submission (which is why they are forced to kiss the dirt 5 times a day - originally allah wanted them to do it 36 times a day, but mohammed bargained him down to 5.  No shit."

Yup. Mo jewed me down.  That's why I command all my followers to attack the Jews remorselessly.  Divine retribution is a bitch.  You'd think I go after Mo, but hey, I work in mysterious ways.

185 Just one more then back to work....

http://tinyurl.com/3hmx95z

186 Noting VP Biden's attentiveness at the boss's speech last week, we can understand his winding up in the lower third of his law school class.  When he is replaced for the try at a 2nd term, he clearly has a future in air traffic control. 

187 #204, the difference is the proximity.

188

@133: "While being handcuffed he shouted: "What about my country? What about burning poppies?"'

Isn't the technical term for "burning poppies" "smoking opium"?

189 Like I said yesterday we need our own Burning Man festival call Burning Koran.

Out in the Mojave in Nevada.  Hookers, booze, gambling, guns, a moron's wet dream.

190 196 More muslim respect:

Hezbollah planning a Passover attack in Israel.

Passover's always been a popular attack time for muzzies.  All Holy Days are.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 21, 2011 02:31 PM (G/MYk)

And the days leading UP to Jewish and/or Christian holy days are full of fun, too!  Just take this cheerful message erected by the friendly neighborhood muslims outside of the Church of the Annunciation in Nazareth, in preparation for Easter. 

And the respect and mourning they share when discussing the death of a non-muslim child is simply... breathtaking.

191

NO No no..... the first amendment is good stuff and so is the freedom of speech it protects. But somewhere back a while some guy said that it does have a limit or two, for example, yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theatre is DEFINITELY a NO-NO.

Dearborn is a bit south of me, and I have traveled through it often, visited and dined there. Parts of it are a self contained Muslim Community. Take my word for it, Pastor Jones is planning on yelling the Islamic equivalent of FIRE to a predominately Muslim crowd. The Dearborn adminstration is being proactive in preventing this as a stampede will most certainly result. And Jones most likely will be the one trampled, which is not necessarily a bad thing, but the Dearborn Police try to be fair to all in providing protection.  

He is being given an alternate site, he should use it to express his views, and is welcomed to do so, and I suspect he will be able to get the reaction he wants at that site also, despite plans for heavy police presence. Have at it, Pastor Jones, but be forewarned, these folks do not take kindly to insults to their beliefs.  

192 Gabe, fwiw, the Black Panthers are mobilizing this weekend too.

193 Speech whose purpose is to cause fear, intimidation or incitement should not be protected. it is easily distinguishable by a reasonable person so I don't buy the slippery slope argument.

Posted by: polynikes at April 21, 2011 02:30 PM (7sQ6G)

As I recall, the koran burning is to take place in a designed "free speech zone" (spit) and to suggest that it carries the same threat as a cross burning is beyond absurd.  As for "incitement" let's get real.  Bible burnings and flag burnings and threats of violence against conservatives are daily events in this country and nobody bats an eye.  The muz have enough defenders and apologists.  Don't be one more. 

Beyond that, it is ultimately quite beneficial to the US if the muz feel threatened, or at least deeply unwelcome.  They're not a peaceful group of fellow citizens.  They're nothing less that 5th-columnists in our midst, waiting for their chance to strike.  If we had any sense at all we'd already be amending the constitution to remove any protections from that group. 

194 Umm if the mooselimbs did riot and tear the place up would anybody notice? It is Dearborn afterall. Fuck it all Friday!! Burn that shit to the ground.

195

 Take my word for it, Pastor Jones is planning on yelling the Islamic equivalent of FIRE to a predominately Muslim crowd. The Dearborn adminstration is being proactive in preventing this as a stampede will most certainly result. And Jones most likely will be the one trampled, which is not necessarily a bad thing, but the Dearborn Police try to be fair to all in providing protection.  

He is being given an alternate site, he should use it to express his views, and is welcomed to do so, and I suspect he will be able to get the reaction he wants at that site also, despite plans for heavy police presence. Have at it, Pastor Jones, but be forewarned, these folks do not take kindly to insults to their beliefs.  

Posted by: MisterMoney at April 21, 2011 02:47 PM (wN82N)

That's the whole point.  These people think they should be treated differently and be given some imagined respect that definitely isn't given to others.  They use fear to obtain this deference.  This is America.  If they don't like the way things are done here, they can go back to the sewer they crawled out of.  And that goes double for people who support them!

196 #215 , you can take your defender and apologist comment and stick it up your ass.

197

He is being given an alternate site, he should use it to express his views, and is welcomed to do so, and I suspect he will be able to get the reaction he wants at that site also, despite plans for heavy police presence. Have at it, Pastor Jones, but be forewarned, these folks do not take kindly to insults to their beliefs.  

Posted by: MisterMoney at April 21, 2011 02:47 PM (wN82N)

I respect your viewpoint, MM, but that's the whole point.  If Jones were an Imam who wished to protest and hurl slurs at Jews attending a synagogue, this would not be an issue.  There would be no denial of a permit, because Jews don't kill people for protesting their religion.  If they did, Israel would have nuked the entirety of the Mid-East by now. 

Christians don't slaughter people for profaning Christianity, either.  Good Christians pray for the profaner's salvation; so-so Christians simply get angry; bad Christians don't care.  But anyone who claims to be a Christian but would pick up a weapon to enact revenge and claim some kind of holy justification for doing so could never be called a Christian.  That isn't Christian doctrine.  It is, however, Islamic law.

I understand Dearborn wishing to maintain order, but it shouldn't be at the expense of free speech.  Even if Jones chooses to protest in the designated "free speech zone" (a concept that frankly sickens me), do you really think that will stop a muslim riot from happening?  Jones burned a copy of the Koran in his backyard, and muslims half a world away lost their minds and started killing people.  If these Dearborn muslims are so prone to anarchy that they can't stomach the open practice of free speech, guaranteed by the Constitution and practiced on American soil, then why should we expect them to maintain their calm just because that freedom of speech is taking place a few miles away? 

198 ""This is America.  If they don't like the way things are done here, they can go back to the sewer they crawled out of.  And that goes double for people who support them!""


This.

199 144 Well, you leave the meat uncovered then wonder why the cats are in it.
Posted by: Robin at April 21, 2011 02:09 PM (VY112)

Well, if they want to claim themselves to be no better than a common animal, I'll leave that choice up to them - but, feel compelled to remind them how animals are usually treated in this country:

If they are domesticated:  it is up to the owner to be responsible for them and keep them under control.  If the owner refuses or does a poor job, the owner can be sued, fined, face jail time, and / or have the animal removed from their home.  The animal would be evaulated and either allowed to be adopted or, most likely, euthanized.

If they are stray / roaming loose through the streets:  the local agency will attempt to capture and detain them.  Typically after a week, if the owner has not picked them up or they are not adopted by another, they are euthanized.

If they are wild:   feral creatures are usually dealt with in the harshest of terms unless they are an endangered species - and even then, when they are captured, they are relocated.  At best, the wild ones may be protected for most of the year depending on population control, but there is usually open season at some point with the limit based on the current population.  As well, land owners can usually claim special dispensation during the off-season if they can show just cause to further protect their property.

And that's just a short synopsis... Should we ask if they still want to act like animals?

 

200

But anyone who claims to be a Christian but would pick up a weapon to enact revenge and claim some kind of holy justification for doing so could never be called a Christian.  That isn't Christian doctrine.  It is, however, Islamic law.

I should clarify that by "enact revenge" I mean revenge associated with something specific, such as this protest.  The Crusades were not revenge but reclamation.  The burning of witches was not revenge, but carried out through fear and superstition (and used to mask more than one petty act of human revenge, I'm sure).  If someone opens a Bible in front of me and proceeds to take a dump in the middle of Genesis, I'm not going to stab him to death with a stilleto heel.  I will kick him in the balls and throw his feces in his face (I'm not, I'm afraid, as good a Christian as I should be). 

201 You do know that there are ordinances all over the country that do not allow protests during religious services and have been there for decades.

202 So is that what they will call our camps? Free Speech Zone #105

203 29 The Dearbornistan area is a disgrace.  It's like being in a third world islamic hell-hole without the sand.  How did we allow this area to be totally taken over by islamist?  I just don't understand that.  And now that it is, the religion of pieces must be given deference to American laws and traditions.  Sickening.

Rumor has it that Mr. Henry Ford was quite the anti-Semite, and, for a period, did not want Jews working at his factory.

Next thing you know, the majority of Arabs in Dearborn are working at the Ford plant.

204

This is a lost opportunity for the FBI and homeland security.  let the pastor have his protest and catalogue the crazies who show up in righteous indignation spewing Allah will get you shit.

Oh, the Obama Administration is in charge of the FBI. Never mind.

205 What the heck is a 'free speech zone?' Isn't the whole damn country a free speech zone?

206 I live in Dearborn and I am not looking forward to the events to come. I grew up in South-West Detroit for 24 years and spent most of the next 25 here in what I call the West side of the Middle East. That being said, the local police are very well trained and I see them every day doing their job. Some locals would even say they do their job too well (those are the ones sitting in the police station waiting for their court date). Also, the head of the Dearborn police, his last name is Haddad. So, if you are a career patrolman, and he is your boss, it would be prudent to exercise your diplomatic skills when dealing with the local Arab population. Is it a double standard? You betcha. But see the Liberals have taken over most of the key government positions and as in the book Animal Farm, all citizens of Dearborn are equal. Some are just more equal than others. At any rate, for the most part this actually is a rather peaceful city, considering it borders Detroit and Inkster. Yes we do have a few Gentlemen's Clubs. From what I hear some of the female strippers are very entertaining. Not that I would have any first hand knowledge of such things. Heh. Anyways, elections have consequences and the last one was a good start. Hopefully the country will not collapse by 2012. Just remember the election of the Honorable Al Franken. It's not who votes, it's who counts the votes that matters.

207 I'm beginning to like this Jones fellow. Burn away, Rev!

208
So this boils down to: 'I'm going to try my damnedest to incite you to violence and then shoot you if you can't control yourself even though I'm inciting you, and claim self-defense.'

Yes, and? you can incite me, and I can punch you in the face (or nads) which is a crime by me, but you can't shoot me if I do.

I'm surprised Westboro Bapist Douchebags aren't going along for the ride. All those funerals they've been at, and they didn't get assaulted. The worst that happened was their van's tires getting shredded and having to get a tow to the next town to get new tires. And no one to sue.

209  You do know that there are ordinances all over the country that do not allow protests during religious services and have been there for decades.

Really? Why aren't they applied to funerals? Or when ACTUP barges into a Mass and starts urinating in the holy water?

As someone else said -- the law protects all, or it protects none.

210
So this boils down to: 'I'm going to try my damnedest to incite you to violence and then shoot you if you can't control yourself even though I'm inciting you, and claim self-defense.'

Yes. Incitement to riot is not an excuse to riot. Humans are not mere bundles of reflexes; we can make choices. You choose whether to commit violence or not.

211 "...they expect that the Muslims in Dearborn will be simply unable to control themselves in the face of religious criticism and start a riot."

I certainly HOPE so. 

Give them every opportunity to prove themselves as the superstitious and violent barbarians they are.

When Islamofascists maim and murder, it brings us one step closer to purging their vile death cult from our ranks.

212 He just needs to contact the Dept of Justice. I'm sure they will intervene to protect Jones's rights. That's their job. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHACHOKEGASP......

213 Yeah, #235, these guys are STILL pissed about the crusades. Seriously folks, it's been 721 years since the last crusade. Nobody you know, or even think you know, was anywhere close. You might want to consider some sort of counseling if you're unable to let it go after, oh, a hundred years, maybe two if you're a slow learner.

214 If Elena and the Supremes can find that Westboro has the right to protest at veteran's funerals, then Jones has all the legal leverage he could possibly ask for.  Push the button and see if  the city of Dearborn really does want to pick up his legal tab, with damages.

215

236: Dude, you're not seeing straight. The more violent they become, the more the leftists and statists want to bow down. I'm thinking they're attracted to the brutality and single-minded zeal of the Muslims.

"Oh Anne, those evil Nazis... they'e so... strong..."

"Yes, Neville, they're so brutish and..."

"...their uniforms, so crisp and manly!"

"Neville, do you think they'll make good overlords?"

"I hope so, dear Anne, I hope so... Perhaps I can appease them for a while into not attacking us, but..." shuddering violently as if aroused, "Oh God save the Queen, because I sure as hell won't!"

216 15 (I always wondered what happens to the lawyers in the bottom third of their class.)

My friendszh, I graduated at the bottom of my classh at the Naval Academy, and I'm living proof of how effective and productive a person can be despite that.  Just look at my record.

That's nuthin'  Barely got out of Punahou High.  (Thanks Tut)  Did two make up years at Occidental. Then some mystery matriculatin' in the Ivy League. (Don't ask.)  Coupla bar exams later and some Ayers ghost wrtin' and look where I am.  Sheesh. Is this a great country or what? 

217
Uh .... so sorry to bother .... but .... what issue exactly is the jury going to "try"?  Whether this guy has a constitutional right to free speech?

218 I really really really hate to do this, but here is a story in the NYT about Jones. He found the recording of the Florida imam telling him that if he cancelled his first koran burning the ground zero mosque would be moved. Of course the imam says it is all Lies! Lies! Lies! here: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/us/17jones.html

219 Found this article about Pastor Terry Jones in a Dearborn based independent newspaper, "The Protesting Preacher Cometh". http://tinyurl.com/3olp88h

220 It says "Congress shall make no law", not Dearborn shall make no law.

221 Dear Muslim Community of Dearborn;

Given the sometimes acrimonious atmosphere between us, it is important that we not overlook opportunities of mutual benefit. For instance, we find ourselves plagued in small measure today by a certain ignorant and hostile sect. The perceived inclinations of our society might suggest we should simply rid ourselves of this irritant in the cowboy way, but the truth is, alas, more subtle. 

We find ourselves bound by strictures of law, tradition, and ideals that serve us very well, most of the time. There are those among us who hold that the more extreme and odious the speech the more important it is we defend it.  These fools are mostly lawyers and other unproductive clingers, but just try getting rid of those guys. Jesus! Um, I mean, oh, like God is Great and all, but, uh, I digress.

Your community, of course, is now a target of their ignorant venom. You must feel disgust similar to ours with these benighted pigs, possessing a deep well of cultural experience with ignorant and inchoate rage yourselves. Moreover, we cannot help but observe that you are guided by (or are possessed by) ideals and a legal tradition well suited to the subjugation and death of ... well, is there anybody y'all don't hate? 

Anyway, I sense a confluence of interests.  Let's do lunch, I had some great BBQ when I was last in Michigan.

222 It is ok to have protesters against dead soldiers funerals and dead kids (the ones that burned to death in PA) but not near mooslems.  Oh no, that you can't do.  Why? Is it just hatred against Christians?  It is not hatred against religion, because I think islam is a so-called religion.  So that's not correct.  Or fear of getting killed by muslims for not supporting Islam?  Inquiring minds want to know!

223

Here's some fun- wrap a koran, a Torah, and a Bible in identical, unmarked cardboard boxes.  Randomly choose one and burn it.  Will the Muzzies riot?

Call it "Schrodinger's koran".

Posted by: Nighthawk at April 21, 2011 01:51 PM (OtQXp)

I LIKE this idea.  it has merit.  The most important thing, though, is that once you've burned the chosen box, you never open the other two.  Otherwise the wave form collapses and all the quantum is squandered.  No, you have to make sure the other boxes remain closed and unopened.  Then the Muslims will have to ask themselves:

;">"Do I riot because they might have burned the Koran, but by doing so risk rioting over a burned Bible or *shudder* Torah, thus making myself an apostate?  Or do I not riot, because there's no way of knowing if the book in the box was a Koran, but by doing so risk not being viewed as a good Muslim lunatic worthy of 72 virgins?" 

I envision whole legions of muslims just standing dead still, their eyes darting back and forth like penguins watching a tennis match as they try to decide what to do.

I think that the above should go viral.

God, what a perfect scene for a movie, or a South Park Episode.

224

yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theatre is DEFINITELY a NO-NO

I like the cut of your jib, MisterMoney.  After careful consideration I've concluded any speech I find objectionable is like shouting fire in a crowded theater.

(BTW, shouting "fire" in a crowded theater is only wrong if THERE IS NO FIRE!)

 

225  OT  Yes, I am going to vote for Obama again.  My cousin's, ex-proffesor, boyfriend.  "Eli Eli lama sabachthani?" silent scream