December 13, 2011
— Ace Yeah, I know, "You're fired." I didn't do it because I'm better than that, man!!!
(crying whisper) I'm better than that. Aren't I? Aren't I?
Anyway I don't have details but FoxNews and Reuters report Trump is out as far as moderating. Trump says he reserves the right to still run for President as an Independent.
So there's that, at least.
I guess this means that everyone will be back in for the December 27th debate.
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Posted by: Diane Sawyer at December 13, 2011 10:21 AM (mTrkT)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at December 13, 2011 10:21 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Iblis at December 13, 2011 10:21 AM (9221z)
Posted by: Seth at December 13, 2011 10:22 AM (e6MoS)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 13, 2011 10:23 AM (8y9MW)
Probably someone like Sheppy.
Though I'd love to see someone like Jake Tapper do it. He may be a lefty, but he does have some integrity.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 13, 2011 10:24 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Robert Woolwine at December 13, 2011 10:24 AM (V+ylD)
Is America uncapable of producing an impartial moderator?
Posted by: Ben at December 13, 2011 10:25 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Joffen at December 13, 2011 10:26 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 13, 2011 10:26 AM (+KHIt)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at December 13, 2011 10:27 AM (s+J9D)
Posted by: AoSHQ Comment Shock Trooper #1140 Reporting for Duty | at December 13, 2011 10:27 AM (h6mPj)
Posted by: WalrusRex at December 13, 2011 10:27 AM (Hx5uv)
Yes.
If you're looking for "impartial" you'd have to find someone with no skin in the game. Since America is a Super Power, and has incredible influence (one way or another) with virtually every country on the planet, you'll have a hard time finding one of those.
What you need is a moderator who will rise above his or her partiality, and will strive for professionalism and skepticism towards all the debaters.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 13, 2011 10:27 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Joffen at December 13, 2011 10:28 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: AoSHQ Comment Shock Trooper #1140 Reporting for Duty | at December 13, 2011 10:28 AM (h6mPj)
If and only if Mittens gets back in. And maybe Bachmann.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 13, 2011 10:29 AM (+KHIt)
Posted by: MDH3 at December 13, 2011 10:29 AM (kDWQ3)
Posted by: taylork at December 13, 2011 10:29 AM (5wsU9)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 13, 2011 10:30 AM (8y9MW)
Why does a newsreader need to be a moderator, anyway? Why can't we have someone like Judge Judy? That'd be entertaining.
Posted by: MDH3 at December 13, 2011 10:31 AM (kDWQ3)
Posted by: Z Ryan at December 13, 2011 10:31 AM (tsC/8)
Posted by: Entropy, and if you don't agree you hate America and want Obama to win at December 13, 2011 10:31 AM (UmXRO)
Why is the side bar linking news over a week old? Or did the Mythbusters fire ANOTHER errant cannon shot?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 13, 2011 10:32 AM (8y9MW)
Skip Bayliss and Steven A. Smith will moderate, (special guest Mark Sanchez will get to ask one question about immigration).
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 13, 2011 10:32 AM (Qjh0I)
I think the debates are all pointless anyway. They're 1-part circle-jerk, 1-part circular firing squad, and 2-parts liberal circus. May as well make it as absurd as possible.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 13, 2011 10:33 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Chuck Barris (Gong Show) at December 13, 2011 10:33 AM (tf9Ne)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at December 13, 2011 10:33 AM (0xqzf)
I agree. I just figured you had to be drunk for that slime Hilton to even come to mind (yeah, I know you're a t-totaler.)
Posted by: Scott J at December 13, 2011 10:34 AM (KC2BE)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at December 13, 2011 10:34 AM (h6mPj)
Posted by: Seth at December 13, 2011 10:35 AM (e6MoS)
Yes, but Trump believes the only "bad" press is no press. He'll take being hated, if he can turn it into notoriety.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 13, 2011 10:36 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: davidinvirginia at December 13, 2011 10:37 AM (26Pdn)
(Carrying over my thought from comment #42)
.....And there's still the tattered dregs of whatever's left at the stores to pick up at ridiculously low, after-Christmas prices!!!!!
(and really, after getting all of the bickering family members out of the house, don't you just want to curl up by the TV and watch GOP candidates attempt to bitch-slap each other while appearing cordial?)
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at December 13, 2011 10:37 AM (0xqzf)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 13, 2011 10:38 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at December 13, 2011 10:38 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Meghan McCain at December 13, 2011 10:39 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Random at December 13, 2011 10:39 AM (YiE0S)
Posted by: Joffen at December 13, 2011 10:40 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Joffen at December 13, 2011 10:41 AM (zLeKL)
Links to Politico, and if you're a Romney fan, you don't want to know.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 13, 2011 10:41 AM (+KHIt)
Yeah, we could be discussing the violation of ITAR that seems to have happened in gunwalker: http://tinyurl.com/7w69mv5
Posted by: Scott J at December 13, 2011 10:42 AM (KC2BE)
As much as we don't want to admit it, the two are not mutually exclusive.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 13, 2011 10:42 AM (8y9MW)
We've even had MSNBC moderating them. It's absolutely insane. It's like if the democrats had Robert Stacy Mccain and Rush Limbaugh moderate their debates.
This crap is why I donate to candidates specifically.
Posted by: Dustin at December 13, 2011 10:42 AM (rQ/Ue)
Get 'Turtle Man' from Call of the Wild!
Posted by: Cicerokid at December 13, 2011 10:42 AM (mTrkT)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at December 13, 2011 10:43 AM (s+J9D)
Posted by: Cicerokid at December 13, 2011 10:44 AM (mTrkT)
Posted by: Unclefacts Out Of Commenting Retirement Just For This One Thing at December 13, 2011 10:44 AM (6IReR)
Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at December 13, 2011 10:44 AM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Joffen at December 13, 2011 10:44 AM (zLeKL)
Say it with me: Watergate did not have a body count.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 13, 2011 10:45 AM (8y9MW)
71 al cicero
that would just point out how the candidates are lacking.....the hosts would out shine them........
Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at December 13, 2011 10:46 AM (s+J9D)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 13, 2011 10:46 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Joffen at December 13, 2011 10:47 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at work at December 13, 2011 10:48 AM (s+J9D)
Is it still just Gingrich and Santorum who have confirmed that they'll be there?
Posted by: wheatie.....aka ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at December 13, 2011 10:49 AM (HvKWW)
Posted by: nevergiveup at December 13, 2011 10:49 AM (i6RpT)
Meh.
Mike and I are "icky guncranks". I don't think Ace takes us seriously.
But I do appreciate the attention he has given the story.
Mike's blog is kind of hosed at the moment (I need to carve out the time to go help him with it) but there's some good speculation from his time in DC last week as to what's coming next in gunwalker.
Sensenbrenner's use of the I word was not an idle threat.
Posted by: Scott J at December 13, 2011 10:49 AM (KC2BE)
I keep thinking if he hangs in there long enough maybe Santorum will lead in the polls. Or Perry. Or ABO 2012. It won't really matter until after the primaries or GOP Convention (which should draft Rubio).
If Trump does run I hope he sees how popular he isn't. Egos will reign in any GOP third party run. The country and running SCOAMF out of DC is what should matter to all in 2012.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at December 13, 2011 10:50 AM (baL2B)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 13, 2011 10:50 AM (xe2z6)
Posted by: Glen Beck at December 13, 2011 02:43 PM (OWjjx)
Thank you for directing so much attention on my puppet as my plotting and scheming continues just under the surface, unnoticed.
Posted by: Nicolae Carpathia at December 13, 2011 10:50 AM (9hSKh)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 13, 2011 10:52 AM (xe2z6)
Posted by: Mr Pink at December 13, 2011 10:52 AM (wVmwP)
Posted by: MJ at December 13, 2011 10:53 AM (BKOsZ)
Posted by: Joffen at December 13, 2011 10:54 AM (zLeKL)
The cognitive dissonance of the liberal mind never ceases to amaze me.
Posted by: Scott J at December 13, 2011 10:54 AM (KC2BE)
More evidence (as if it was necessary) that people need to get off the Perry train.
According to Pew, 44% of Republican primary voters say there is "no chance" they will vote for Perry (compared to 37% who say there's a chance). Romney is at 26% and Newt at 18%.
Newt leads 35-21 over Romney, Paul is at 8% and Perry at 5%.
http://tinyurl.com/cr3mlha
Posted by: Chris at December 13, 2011 10:54 AM (xzLHn)
Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at December 13, 2011 10:54 AM (MMC8r)
Correct Ans: "Infidelity didn't seem to affect JFK's performance as president. Next question".
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 13, 2011 10:55 AM (xe2z6)
Posted by: Tim Tebow at December 13, 2011 10:55 AM (C7ATr)
In the event of a split 4-4 decision on this amendment by the eight Supreme Court Justices, I will cast the deciding vote.
Posted by: Rick Perry at December 13, 2011 10:56 AM (okJsw)
Correct Ans: "Infidelity didn't seem to affect JFK's performance as president. Next question".
Yeah, but he sucked.
Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at December 13, 2011 10:56 AM (MMC8r)
F*ck you.
I'm tired of this "no one else is voting for him" bull crap.
Not a vote has been cast. You can talk to me after a next-to-last finish in Iowa and New Hampshire, and then I might consider it. Until then, don't tell me not to back my candidate, to validate your decision not to vote for him.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 13, 2011 10:56 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Lincolntf at December 13, 2011 10:57 AM (Qjh0I)
More evidence (as if it was necessary) that people need to get off the Perry train.
If Paul, Bachmann, and Huntsman got out (since they're doing even worse than Perry), you mean.
Posted by: nickless will probably get accidentally banned again soon at December 13, 2011 10:58 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 13, 2011 10:58 AM (xe2z6)
Posted by: Joffen at December 13, 2011 10:58 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: Honey Badger at December 13, 2011 11:00 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Mr Pink at December 13, 2011 11:00 AM (wVmwP)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 13, 2011 11:01 AM (xe2z6)
How well must Perry do in Iowa to have a fighting chance?
I don't think the question is Iowa on New Hampshire for him. I think South Carolina will be a "come to Jesus" moment for Perry (pun intended.)
After that, you can probably start taking bets on Perry. But I wouldn't count him out before then.
Posted by: Dan Snyder's Aggrieved Fan Base at December 13, 2011 11:01 AM (sbV1u)
No way to tell, really. I'd like 3rd. I do think it's too late for him to "take" either IA or NH, but a solid showing in both would greatly improve his chances in FL and SC. Like the NASCAR race, if he can take 3rd for a while, it keeps him "in the hunt." He would need to break into the top two in both of SC and FL, though (I'd think). After that, if he's kept it close, Super Tuesday should go mostly in his favor.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 13, 2011 11:02 AM (8y9MW)
Well, right now our goal is to get him through his 44-city tour of Iowa highway rest stops without him tripping over an ear of corn or challenging the gas station attendants to debates.
Posted by: Rick Perry's Campaign Manager at December 13, 2011 11:02 AM (okJsw)
107 Posted by: Chris at December 13, 2011 02:54 PM (xzLHn)
F*ck you.
I'm tired of this "no one else is voting for him" bull crap.
Not a vote has been cast. You can talk to me after a next-to-last finish in Iowa and New Hampshire, and then I might consider it. Until then, don't tell me not to back my candidate, to validate your decision not to vote for him.
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This! +100
Iowa and New Hampshire aren't even Red States. .....And we're letting them have this kind of power in picking our candidate? This whole primary process is so fucked up.
Posted by: wheatie.....aka ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at December 13, 2011 11:02 AM (HvKWW)
Posted by: Damiano at December 13, 2011 11:02 AM (A2+pr)
Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at December 13, 2011 11:03 AM (+lsX1)
Posted by: Tim Tebow at December 13, 2011 11:03 AM (C7ATr)
Well, if you like Perry, good for you. But it would be utterly foolish not to have a "plan B" in case of the (highly likely) chance he fails.
Posted by: Chris at December 13, 2011 11:04 AM (xzLHn)
Get rid of the stage and all and bring in Uncle Ted with a helicopter and paintball gun.
I'm in but only if he pledges to dance to "Wang Dang Sweet Poontang" at his Inaugural Ball.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at December 13, 2011 11:04 AM (sbV1u)
Posted by: Joffen at December 13, 2011 11:05 AM (zLeKL)
Posted by: RickP (Dedicated Fuckup) at December 13, 2011 11:06 AM (okJsw)
I like the idea of hooking up low-voltage electrodes to the candidates to shock them every time they say something stupid.
Posted by: indiana soothsayer solo at December 13, 2011 11:07 AM (sqkOB)
Awww shit, you know what this means? He's fucking gonna go third party now!!!
If he does that, the goodwill he has been trying to build up with the GOP is gone forever. And having watched Ross Perot implode, I can't help but think the Donald is not serious and it just making noise for attention.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 13, 2011 11:07 AM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Fritz at December 13, 2011 11:08 AM (FabC8)
Plan B == ABO
Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 13, 2011 11:08 AM (xe2z6)
Posted by: Joffen at December 13, 2011 11:10 AM (zLeKL)
to +30 (61/31). There are a lot of parallels between Paul's strength in Iowa and Barack Obama's in 2008- he's doing well with new voters, young voters, and non-Republican voters:
-59% of likely voters participated in the 2008 Republican caucus and they support Gingrich 26-18. But among the 41% of likely voters who are 'new' for 2012 Paul leads Gingrich 25-17 with Romney at 16%. Paul is doing a good job of bringing out folks who haven't done this before.
-He's also very strong with young voters. Among likely caucus goers under 45 Paul is up 30-16 on Gingrich. With those over 45, Gingrich leads him 26-15 with Romney at 17%.
-Among Republicans Gingrich leads Paul 25-17. But with voters who identify as Democrats or independents, 21% of the electorate in a year with no action on the Democratic side, Paul leads Gingrich 34-14 with Romney at 17%.
Young voters, independents, and folks who haven't voted in caucuses before is an unusual coalition for a Republican candidate...the big question is whether these folks will really come out and vote...if they do, we could be in for a big upset.
*******
Keep in mind PPP is democratic pollster that polls every other day it seems like and practically spams the averages-but everyone follows the polls-
so it's sort of a self fulfilling prophecy-if they tell everyone whose ahead-everyone -
Believes!
Cute, no?Posted by: tasker at December 13, 2011 11:10 AM (r2PLg)
Posted by: Honey Badger at December 13, 2011 11:14 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Diane Slusher at December 13, 2011 11:14 AM (r2PLg)
Anyway, I think Romney, Bachmann, and Perry all have a lot of travel in Iowa this month, so they can still beg off doing this because they're too busy.
It's kind of amazing to me that Newt has gotten the traction he has with what I understood to be a pretty light campaign schedule. (Isn't that why his staffers jumped ship?)
Posted by: Y-not at December 13, 2011 11:15 AM (5H6zj)
140 139 how about suicide by caramel corn ...
Are you talking about the little corn-shaped candies....or the caramel-covered popcorn?
Posted by: wheatie.....aka ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at December 13, 2011 11:17 AM (HvKWW)
Posted by: MDH3 at December 13, 2011 11:29 AM (4u+LN)
144 Who in heaven's name will be watching debates two days after Christmas?
Only the diehard political junkies.
Anyway, I think Romney, Bachmann, and Perry all have a lot of travel in Iowa this month, so they can still beg off doing this because they're too busy.
Perry starts out on a 2 week bus tour tomorrow. ....That was his reason for declining to attend this Trump debate.
It's kind of amazing to me that Newt has gotten the traction he has with what I understood to be a pretty light campaign schedule. (Isn't that why his staffers jumped ship?)
Didn't some staffers say that Newt had them working on selling his books? I thought that had something to do with it as well.
Posted by: wheatie.....aka ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at December 13, 2011 11:31 AM (HvKWW)
It really looks like his motivation is to de-rail Romney. There's a personal history there -- Romney took the job that Huntsman, Jr wanted (managing the SLC Olympics).
Posted by: Y-not at December 13, 2011 12:04 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Deety at December 13, 2011 12:23 PM (Pm8ax)
Huntsman spoke better (smarter not harder) than Newt in their little tête-à -tête. I was pleasantly surprised and impressed with Huntsman's thoughts. His diplomatic experience given China as the rising world power tops his fiscally conservative gubernatorial successful experience. His points were smarter than Newt's, better delivered and more succinct without being boorish. So thank God Newt can't tout being anything but the biggest bag of shit.
In varying degrees I'd rather vote for any of the non-Newt/Mitt candidates than either N-ingrich or M-omney.
Posted by: The Pirates Your Mother Fears at December 13, 2011 12:24 PM (lpWVn)
Trump says he reserves the right to still run for
President as an Independent.
Oh, well, in that case, I reserve the right not to vote
for him.
Doofus
Posted by: Arms Merchant at December 13, 2011 01:17 PM (kPT11)
Even though he was flirting with being in the republican primaries, he lost steam and people remembered what I joke he was. Will that stop Trump's ego - no way. He is arrogant enough to think that even he could not win the republican primaries he can win the general. All he will do is generate enough publicity to get the moron vote and all those GOP cry babies who did not get their choice for the nomination. Trump will pull enough votes (5-10%) that it will kill the deal for whoever we run against Obama.
Obama will win if Trump runs.
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