September 12, 2011
— Ace 1. Social Security. Likely to be the liveliest part of the debate. Romney has claimed that Perry plans to abolish Social Security, including in fliers circulated in Florida. Romney's attack is two-pronged: 1, chase voters away from Perry on this issue itself, and 2, also put a dent in the current belief that Perry is more (or just as) electable as he is.
Perry could stand or fall depending on his response here. I imagine he may call Romney a liar to his face. In fact, I'm not sure that anything short of that would be suitably reassuring to voters who are concerned by this line of attack.
2. Immigration. Romney had intended to get to this in the last debate, but didn't. This is actually where Perry has the most vulnerability. I don't expect Romney to leave immigration off the table this time around. With the Tea Party co-hosting the debate, I doubt their questioners will forget to ask about this.
Again, this could be a do or die issue for Perry. Either he can make a strong account for himself on this issue, or suddenly the Perry boomlet might end.
3. Ron Paul! Ron Paul probably loathes Perry more than other candidates. Because of the assault and everything.
Perry made a tactical mistake in responding to one of Ron Paul's attacks last go-round. When Ron Paul brought up his letter to Hillary Clinton, telling her to not forget the farmer community when planning reforms in health care reform, Perry said briefly had had no idea what reforms Hillary would propose. And then attacked Ron Paul for writing Ronald Reagan to quit the Republican Party.
In this kind of attack, it is not enough to simply attack Ron Paul. Ron Paul is an anti-semitic neo-Bircher conspiracy theorist crank, whose actual capacity to attract support in the GOP is limited at around 10% (right where it is). But if Ron Paul successfully attacks Perry, voters may desert Perry not necessarily for Ron Paul, but for some other alternative, such as Romney or Bachmann or Gingrich (or the undeclared Palin).
Simply knocking Paul is no real defense. It doesn't accomplish Perry's goal, which is to attract supporters to his own standard.
On this particular attack, Perry could have reminded the audience -- do you remember this? -- that the Hillary Health Care Reform Panel was notoriously secret. This was a big knock on it at the time -- it was all done behind closed doors, until they unveiled their monstrosity to the public.
Perry would have been much better served by pointing this out, rather than attacking the candidate from Prison Planet.
Ron Paul will surely attack Perry more tonight. The same way that lions and dolphins are not threats to one another, Romney isn't a threat to Paul, because there's very little chance a Paul supporter would defect to Romney, or vice versa. On the other hand, Perry can at least plausibly claim to be a 10th Amendment, return-power-to-the-states libertarian, which directly threatens Paul's little niche.
Although some attacks on Paul are warranted, Perry has to make sure his first, second, and third goal here is to knock down Paul's attack. Successfully attacking Paul in return should be a bonus-damage situation only.
4. RomneyCare. With (I assume) Tea Party people supply questions, this will be Romney's greatest challenge. Romney has the benefit, however, of this particular albatross being very well known already; it's doubtful Romney could actually hurt himself on this score. Or help himself. Opinions are already formed.
But a bad soundbite from Romney -- a defense of the mandate, say -- could do some additional harm.
5. Bachmann's Attempt To Re-Join the Top Tier. Perry's entry into the race has hurt Bachmann most of all. One recent poll has her down to 4%, I just heard.
That's why she'll be eager to join Romney in the Social Security attack. But Bachmann herself called Social Security a "fraud" back in 2010. Has Perry done his homework? Does he have that reply at the ready?
6. Everyone Else. Cain is done, and Santorum never had a realistic chance, despite decent debate performances. Huntsman seems to have won some kind of reality-tv contest giving him the right to pretend to be a Republican candidate for President.
Gingrich has been showing a pulse lately, and while I really doubt he could ever join the top tier, he has been gaining credibility in the debates.
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Posted by: Dick Nixon at September 12, 2011 02:56 PM (UZl30)
Posted by: Rick Fucking Perry at September 12, 2011 02:57 PM (fj/P0)
Posted by: steevy at September 12, 2011 03:00 PM (fyOgS)
Posted by: Ron "The Cat" Paul at September 12, 2011 03:01 PM (pcm/Q)
We're pulling for Newt!
Fingers crossed!
(the Tiffany's bill really doesn't bother me - it's silly. The sitting on sofa with SanFranNan does bother me - a lot!!!)
Posted by: Tiffany's at September 12, 2011 03:02 PM (VxqUc)
Posted by: Jose at September 12, 2011 03:03 PM (WTNJJ)
Posted by: newguy at September 12, 2011 03:03 PM (kduZC)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at September 12, 2011 03:03 PM (BJNwZ)
Posted by: Dave S. at September 12, 2011 03:03 PM (UvR6d)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 12, 2011 03:04 PM (QxSug)
Oh....never mind.
Posted by: Emily Litella at September 12, 2011 03:04 PM (3TjSM)
Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 12, 2011 03:04 PM (dWPyO)
Posted by: joeindc44 at September 12, 2011 03:05 PM (QxSug)
Seems an odd strategy.
Posted by: Oldcat at September 12, 2011 03:06 PM (z1N6a)
Posted by: Breaker19 at September 12, 2011 03:06 PM (WCm02)
according to nro bachmann ponders to attack perry on ss just like auntie mildred does. she intentionally positions herself to be out-tea-partied by perry. how dumb is that?
Posted by: Elize Nayden at September 12, 2011 03:06 PM (v49dF)
Posted by: Bobby Jindal at September 12, 2011 03:07 PM (pcm/Q)
Who am I kidding, that's exactly what I hope.
Posted by: Rick Fucking Perry at September 12, 2011 03:08 PM (fj/P0)
Oh....never mind.
Posted by: Emily Litella at September 12, 2011 03:08 PM (3TjSM)
Newtie would look even better if it were only him among the retreads standing on stage with Mittens and Perry.
I'd enjoy those debates. Newtie, if nothing else has a strong grasp of even the most esoteric of issues.
I use Santorum's time to take a pee or grab something from the kitchen.
Cain makes me want to watch A Time to Kill.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 12, 2011 03:09 PM (dWPyO)
Posted by: Dave at September 12, 2011 03:09 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: USS Diversity at September 12, 2011 03:09 PM (aD5Kx)
Or is that just me.
Posted by: Breaker19 at September 12, 2011 03:10 PM (WCm02)
Seems an odd strategy.
Considering her parsing when it came to Medicare reform earlier this year, I'm not really surprised she'd use this tactic as an attempt to become relevant. Though as you say, it doesn't set her apart from Romney. Is it to help her congressional career, then?
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 12, 2011 03:10 PM (o2lIv)
Add in the CNN poll showing Perry with strong support in the 65+ crowd over Romney and I just don't see how this issue hurts him any in the primaries.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 12, 2011 03:10 PM (ENKCw)
Posted by: Bobby Jindal at September 12, 2011 07:07 PM (pcm/Q)
Well War, if its Perry/ Jindal, you get a new governor!
Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 12, 2011 03:11 PM (dWPyO)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at September 12, 2011 03:11 PM (BJNwZ)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at September 12, 2011 03:12 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 12, 2011 03:13 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: Honest Abe at September 12, 2011 03:13 PM (BzMNX)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 03:13 PM (pcm/Q)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 12, 2011 03:15 PM (zK4pP)
Romney has shown himself a shameless panderer on the SS issue.
Perry needs to call Romney out for the deceitful shit he is.
Posted by: Dave at September 12, 2011 03:15 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 12, 2011 03:15 PM (3zFBF)
Posted by: Barry Teh One at September 12, 2011 03:15 PM (v49dF)
We woke up, read Ace's screed on electability, rolled over and looked at her again, then got up and left without waking here. And no, we're not going to call.
Posted by: The Tea Party at September 12, 2011 03:15 PM (jx6di)
Posted by: Honest Abe at September 12, 2011 07:13 PM (BzMNX)
You didn't found it. I did.
Posted by: Atilla the Abe at September 12, 2011 03:16 PM (WCm02)
Posted by: Wolf Blitzer, Unbiased Journalist and Jeopardy Semifinalist at September 12, 2011 03:16 PM (QKKT0)
Oh...never mind.
Posted by: Emily Litella at September 12, 2011 03:16 PM (3TjSM)
"Governor Perry, when you end Social Security, do you plan to murder seniors or let them starve to death?"
Posted by: Wolf Blitzer at September 12, 2011 03:16 PM (fj/P0)
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at September 12, 2011 03:16 PM (WrIbP)
Posted by: Michele Bachmann at September 12, 2011 03:17 PM (pcm/Q)
Perry needs to call Romney out for the deceitful shit he is.
Posted by: Dave at September 12, 2011 07:15 PM (HPcQF)
Sorry, they impose a time limit. Perry doesn't have all year.
Posted by: GnuBreed at September 12, 2011 03:18 PM (ENKCw)
A good night for me..
Perry goes after Mittens and "Nails on a chalk board" Bachmann on SS. Has a solid grasp of all the issues he is asked about, and locks up front runner status.
The Denver Bronco Defense has a solid night so I can win in FF.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at September 12, 2011 03:18 PM (dWPyO)
That's pure awesomeness right there
Posted by: beedubya at September 12, 2011 03:18 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: Jose at September 12, 2011 07:16 PM (WTNJJ)
I haven't heard him in a while. He's sounding good.
Posted by: Tami at September 12, 2011 03:19 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 03:19 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: poljunkie at September 12, 2011 03:19 PM (XuiJf)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at September 12, 2011 07:12 PM (0q2P7)
I'd vote for a dead Goldwater before I'd vote for a live Obama.
Posted by: Breaker19 at September 12, 2011 03:20 PM (WCm02)
Posted by: Wolf Blitzer, Unbiased Journalist and Jeopardy Semifinalist at September 12, 2011 03:20 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: Herman Cain at September 12, 2011 03:20 PM (JM2AX)
Posted by: Andy at September 12, 2011 03:20 PM (z6jMn)
Posted by: Dave at September 12, 2011 03:20 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 03:21 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: lauren at September 12, 2011 03:21 PM (Hf41M)
Posted by: Wolf Blitzer, Unbiased Journalist and Jeopardy Semifinalist at September 12, 2011 03:21 PM (QKKT0)
anybody just saw Jindal on CNN?! My God he was great.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Romneybots, The New Stupid) at September 12, 2011 03:21 PM (D6IZ4)
Posted by: Jamie Gorelick at September 12, 2011 03:21 PM (Fw2Gg)
3 Pizzas, unlimited toppings 9 dollars each!!
Posted by: Herman Cain at September 12, 2011 07:20 PM (JM2AX)
Yessssssssssssss.
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 03:21 PM (TUax9)
Posted by: Nickie Goomba at September 12, 2011 03:21 PM (cZYBb)
rick "open borders" perry is really done pal
Posted by: newrouter at September 12, 2011 03:21 PM (xD4bD)
Romney? Pander? Noooooo.....
While in Florida during the 2008 campaign, he actually proposed increasing SS payments as a desperate attempt to gain traction. He didn't even bother trying to explain how he'd pay for the benefit increase.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 12, 2011 03:21 PM (SY2Kh)
Carl Cameron just said that Romney agreed to pay off his campaign debts.
Posted by: beedubya at September 12, 2011 03:21 PM (AnTyA)
(via Dana Loesch on Twitter)
Posted by: Kanye West at September 12, 2011 03:22 PM (WTNJJ)
Posted by: Wolf Blitzer, Unbiased Journalist and Jeopardy Semifinalist at September 12, 2011 03:22 PM (QKKT0)
3 Pizzas, unlimited toppings 9 dollars each!!
Posted by: Herman Cain at September 12, 2011 07:20 PM (JM2AX)
I'm sold.
Posted by: Robert's got a hankerin' at September 12, 2011 03:22 PM (4q6A5)
Posted by: Nickie Goomba at September 12, 2011 03:23 PM (cZYBb)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 03:23 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 03:23 PM (pcm/Q)
Posted by: Duke Lowell at September 12, 2011 03:23 PM (z1uR7)
Posted by: Wolf Blitzer, American at September 12, 2011 03:24 PM (fj/P0)
Posted by: Wolf Blitzer, Unbiased Journalist and Jeopardy Semifinalist at September 12, 2011 03:24 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: beedubya at September 12, 2011 07:21 PM (AnTyA)
It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first.
Posted by: Things Zombie Reagan might have said at September 12, 2011 03:25 PM (c0A3e)
Has he ever had a real job, other than working for the gubmint? And God no, not another Texan pilot. Two Bushes were plenty.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at September 12, 2011 03:25 PM (jx6di)
Posted by: poljunkie at September 12, 2011 07:19 PM (XuiJf)
Poor little Hucklefuck. I hope he's not eating bonbons to soothe the pain. Wasn't he the same little (used loosely) fucker that stabbed Romney in the back in the last go-around?
Posted by: Breaker19 at September 12, 2011 03:25 PM (WCm02)
Posted by: Wolf Blitzer, Unbiased Journalist and Jeopardy Semifinalist at September 12, 2011 03:26 PM (QKKT0)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 03:26 PM (TMB3S)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 03:26 PM (AEIYh)
He should call Slick Mitt an unprincipled turd, or better yet an unprincipled gun-grabbing turd, right to his face. Has the advantage of being true, a rare thing in politics.
Posted by: Ken at September 12, 2011 03:26 PM (7yb9x)
Posted by: Arms Merchant at September 12, 2011 07:25 PM (jx6di)
I don't get this. So no one from Texas can EVER run for president? Bunchacrap.
Posted by: Tami at September 12, 2011 03:27 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: Wolf Blitzer, Unbiased Journalist and Jeopardy Semifinalist at September 12, 2011 03:27 PM (QKKT0)
On the other hand, Perry can at least plausibly claim to be a 10th Amendment, return-power-to-the-states libertarian, which directly threatens Paul's little niche.
True, but no way he steals any of his supporters. Paul Bots LOATH Perry. You see all that talk about not trusting Ben Bernake, and entitlement reform? Turns out that was just bullshit. The real reason they like Ron Paul is because he knows the truth about 9/11 and the New York Money Men (wink wink).
Posted by: T-Paw epub at September 12, 2011 03:27 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Arms Merchant at September 12, 2011 07:25 PM (jx6di)
who's your candidate?
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 07:26 PM (TMB3S)
you know i'd say your a snarky little bitch, but I won't. Petty name calling is a waste of my time.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Romneybots, The New Stupid) at September 12, 2011 03:28 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: Count de Monet, Tea Partying Sons of Bitches Martyrs Brigade at September 12, 2011 03:28 PM (4q5tP)
Take that SCFOAMF!!
We are SLURPEE NATION!
Posted by: mpfs, TPT at September 12, 2011 03:28 PM (3TjSM)
Kinda shame that the smartest guy in the political room cannot be trusted with America's most important job. And he can't be trusted.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 12, 2011 03:28 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: Wolf Blitzer, American at September 12, 2011 03:28 PM (fj/P0)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 03:28 PM (AEIYh)
You mean other than working dawn to dusk on the family ranch throughout his childhood?
Oh, and TrollFailTM
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at September 12, 2011 03:28 PM (J4Pnx)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at September 12, 2011 03:28 PM (pcm/Q)
Does any one of them know about this and what should be done to prepare for it? That'd be a helluva question.
Easy trivia question: Who was the last prez to harden military weapons in anticipation of this occurrence?
Posted by: RushBabe at September 12, 2011 03:29 PM (tQHzJ)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at September 12, 2011 03:29 PM (BJNwZ)
@104
Not sure I agree that Newt is the "smartest guy in the political room."
Didn't he share a couch with Nancy Pelosi or something?
Posted by: Dave at September 12, 2011 03:29 PM (HPcQF)
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 12, 2011 03:30 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 03:31 PM (AEIYh)
Has he ever had a real job, other than working for the gubmint? And God no, not another Texan pilot. Two Bushes were plenty.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at September 12, 2011 07:25 PM (jx6di)
So who do you support, or are you just a Soros paid moby?
Posted by: Max Power at September 12, 2011 03:31 PM (q177U)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 03:31 PM (TMB3S)
Kinda shame that the smartest guy in the political room cannot be trusted with America's most important job. And he can't be trusted.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 12, 2011 07:28 PM (r4t7/)
How's this for an idea, Gingrich as the running mate to whoever is the nominee. You know how Newt is a font of arcane parliamentary rules in the House? Set him up as President of the Senate and see what he does there. The VP is a glorified legislator anyway, we don't need another veep dicking around inside the executive branch. Gingrich could be very influential in the Senate, especially if the 'Pubs win it back.
Posted by: Robert at September 12, 2011 03:32 PM (4q6A5)
Posted by: mpfs, TPT at September 12, 2011 03:33 PM (3TjSM)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 03:33 PM (AEIYh)
That would be Reagan who also wanted to harden our power grid....I miss. Him
Ding, ding, ding!
(though it was pretty easy) Weren't initial estimates about $5/transformer and congress said it was "too big an expense"?
Posted by: RushBabe at September 12, 2011 03:33 PM (tQHzJ)
Rick Perry wants to steal your grandmother's Tylenol Plus, then punch the dentures out of her mouth.
Posted by: Mitt McCain at September 12, 2011 03:33 PM (d/WO2)
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 12, 2011 03:34 PM (r4t7/)
Wow it's like right off the talking point card and everything. And the fact that the statement is bone crushingly stupid didn't keep you from typing it. Congratulations your shame is so low that you are almost ready to be a dem.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at September 12, 2011 03:34 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Mitt McCain at September 12, 2011 03:34 PM (d/WO2)
Posted by: Mitt McCain at September 12, 2011 03:35 PM (d/WO2)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at September 12, 2011 03:36 PM (BJNwZ)
There is no amount of Stanley Steemer that could get the stank out of that couch.
Posted by: mpfs, TPT at September 12, 2011 03:36 PM (3TjSM)
Posted by: beedubya at September 12, 2011 03:36 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 03:36 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: Breaker19 at September 12, 2011 03:37 PM (WCm02)
Yes.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at September 12, 2011 07:34 PM (jx6di)
Where shall I send your clown nose?
Posted by: Tami at September 12, 2011 03:37 PM (X6akg)
according to nro bachmann ponders to attack perry on ss just like auntie mildred does. she intentionally positions herself to be out-tea-partied by perry. how dumb is that?
Posted by: Elize Nayden at September 12, 2011 07:06 PM (v49dF)
Ever since Perry got in the race, her only possible path to relevance is to be on Romney's team, preferably as VP.
Posted by: AmishDude at September 12, 2011 03:37 PM (T0NGe)
Yes.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at September 12, 2011 07:34 PM (jx6di)
You know most trolls at least put in a little effort. One word answer? GTFO, this is Ace of Spades, vato.
Posted by: Max Power at September 12, 2011 03:37 PM (q177U)
Posted by: Mitt McCain at September 12, 2011 03:37 PM (d/WO2)
Posted by: Jose at September 12, 2011 03:37 PM (WTNJJ)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 12, 2011 03:38 PM (s7mIC)
"So who do you support, or are you just a Soros paid moby?"
Wow, feel the love. I support Zombie Gingrich from 1994. The 2011 Gingrich, not so much.
I'm pining for the Great Right Hope, and believe me, Rick Perry is not it. He's just another slicky-boy who will be assimilated by the DC Borg.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at September 12, 2011 03:38 PM (jx6di)
Perry got me thinking... Why DON'T we settle these debates with violence?
Posted by: WheelmanForHire at September 12, 2011 03:39 PM (tQJlw)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 07:31 PM (TMB3S)
you and me are gonna have loads of fun this primary season Jackass, I mean JackStraw
and i'm 100% dude don't mistake me for those trannies you like
and while i'm at coming up w/ names for Romneybots you can keep on snarking on how aweosme your lying mancrush is
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Romneybots, The New Stupid) at September 12, 2011 03:39 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 12, 2011 03:39 PM (vzFJV)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 03:39 PM (AEIYh)
BTW he started his career as a door to door salesmen prior to going into the Air Force.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at September 12, 2011 03:39 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Wolf Blitzer, American at September 12, 2011 03:40 PM (fj/P0)
Posted by: phoenixgirl at September 12, 2011 07:38 PM (eOXTH)
Yes, I send them out regularly. Most got to DC but I can ship anywhere.
;o)
Posted by: Tami at September 12, 2011 03:40 PM (X6akg)
Heh. You read my mind.
Posted by: Lady in Black at September 12, 2011 07:36 PM (ycuSb)
My porn star name is Donovan Stonecock, if that helps.
*wink, flex*
Posted by: Rick Fucking Perry at September 12, 2011 03:40 PM (bxrX8)
Interesting, thoughtful twist on Gingrich's role, but it still places him too close to the presidency... or, possibly, the "next in line" should the GOP run a string of good fortune. I've advocated he be senior adviser or Chief of Staff whereby his smarts could be both tapped and checked. No question I want him providing ideas and angles, though. He's exceptionally qualified and articulate.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 12, 2011 03:40 PM (r4t7/)
Don't worry, nobody else does either.
I remember what he didn't say- he didn't go to MI and say we should subsidize automakers. He didn't go to Florida and say we should increase SS benefits.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 12, 2011 03:40 PM (SY2Kh)
Extremism in defense of socialism is no vice.
Posted by: Mmm, Mmm, Mmm, Barack Hussein Obama at September 12, 2011 03:40 PM (2IW5Q)
Posted by: Mitt McCain at September 12, 2011 07:37 PM (d/WO2)
hell, I do that
if the bill is something like $8.07, I'll pull out a $20 bill, hand it to the cashier, who will type the amount in, then I will suddenly discover 7 cents in my pocket and hand it over - it is my test of intelligence for them, if they can figure out how to calculate the change without redoing the order or calling over the manager to reset the register, then that's a place I'll go back to again 
Posted by: chemjeff at September 12, 2011 03:41 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: lauren at September 12, 2011 03:41 PM (IDjMr)
i'd tell Jackstraw to blow me first, but that's just petty name calling that wastes my time.
PS- for referece JackStraw insulted Perry supporters as dumb while claiming he didn't want to name call so that's why i'm hitting him with this
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Romneybots, The New Stupid) at September 12, 2011 03:41 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: The Guy Who Brings Up RAWN PAWL!!!1! at September 12, 2011 03:42 PM (r1ARs)
Ever since Perry got in the race, her only possible path to relevance is to be on Romney's team, preferably as VP.
And if she wont make it onto the ticket? She just burned her whole Im-more-Tea-Partier-than-thou-stick. Very dumb, I dont think auntie Mildred would pick her. I cannot imagine them working together.
Posted by: Barry Teh One at September 12, 2011 03:42 PM (v49dF)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 03:42 PM (TMB3S)
"Huntsman seems to have won some kind of reality-tv contest giving him the right to pretend to be a Republican candidate for President."
My fiancee actually watched the last debate with me. As soon as she saw and heard Huntsman, she said "he has asshole written all over his face."
The last person she said that about in an election? Barack Obama, back when she was still a Democrat deciding who to pick in the 08 primary (she went with Hillary, and part of her break with the party was over the ridiculous fawning Zero got at the expense of Shrillary.)
He is a dick beyond dick.
Posted by: CAC at September 12, 2011 03:42 PM (8xUhs)
Posted by: Ron Paul!! at September 12, 2011 03:43 PM (fj/P0)
Well when you ride in on your high horse and start doing the ^V with talking points, you get treated like the vapid box of hair you are. And I don't even support Perry, and I can see the troll behind the hash.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at September 12, 2011 03:43 PM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at September 12, 2011 07:34 PM (tHnoW)
Heh. My generator only runs on gas I think, but I'll have to ask the mister to be sure. But remember, you can only store gasoline so long (w/out stabilizer), and storing gasoline is dicey unless you have a safe way/place to do it. Just got a rain barrel a couple weeks ago. Wish I would've had one lots sooner, even if it was just to water the plants with non-chlorinated water. No dirt bikes here, but I ride the old-fashioned one wherever I can to burn calories and save $$ on gas.
Posted by: RushBabe at September 12, 2011 03:43 PM (tQHzJ)
I can see why Obama picked him for ambassador - they *understand* each other
Posted by: chemjeff at September 12, 2011 03:44 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at September 12, 2011 03:44 PM (BJNwZ)
I don't think anything will be asked or said about SS tonight. I could be wrong.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 12, 2011 03:44 PM (zK4pP)
Posted by: PALINISTO! at September 12, 2011 03:44 PM (r1ARs)
SECTION 284. ESTABLISHMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY BROADBAND CORPORATION
76(a) Establishment.—There is authorized to be established a private, nonprofit corporation,to be known as the “Public Safety Broadband Corporation”, which is neither an agency nor establishment of the United States Government or the District of Columbia Government
SECTION 285. BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE CORPORATION.(a)... Membership.—The management of the Corporation shall be vested in a Board of Directors (referred to in this Title as the “Board”), which shall consist of the following members
1) FEDERAL MEMBERS.—The following individuals, or
their respectivedesignees, shall serve as Federal members: (A) The Secretary of Commerce.
(B) The Secretary of Homeland Security.
(C) The Attorney General of the United States.
(D) The Director of the Office of Management and Budget
Posted by: sig at September 12, 2011 03:45 PM (0GV9m)
Uhm, no. He sold Bible reference books for one summer in 1969 when he was in college.
I had a summer job at IHOP, that doesn't mean I started my "career" as a waitress. It means I took a job to earn some money for the summer.
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at September 12, 2011 03:45 PM (J4Pnx)
of course Bob Dole is getting up there in years
(and in other ways too, IYKWIM)
Posted by: Bob Dole! at September 12, 2011 03:45 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 12, 2011 03:45 PM (3zFBF)
Posted by: Late Night Comic at September 12, 2011 03:46 PM (WCm02)
What's all this horse manure over at Hotair about Demint possibly endorsing <i>Barak Romney?</i>
If Demint actually does something like that - that will be the end of him as a personage of national importance. I hope he's not seriously considering it.
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 03:46 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 03:46 PM (TUax9)
Perry got me thinking... Why DON'T we settle these debates with violence?
Posted by: WheelmanForHire at September 12, 2011 07:39 PM (tQJlw)
Rapiers... dawn... I'd be soooo in...
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 12, 2011 03:46 PM (NtXW4)
Posted by: Yukron Paulnelius at September 12, 2011 03:47 PM (neP+b)
Posted by: Late Night Comic at September 12, 2011 07:46 PM (WCm02)
He spritzed himself with more Agent Orange Tanning Spray?
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 03:47 PM (oYb6f)
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at September 12, 2011 03:47 PM (0fzsA)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at September 12, 2011 03:47 PM (BJNwZ)
Posted by: mpfs, TPT at September 12, 2011 03:47 PM (3TjSM)
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at September 12, 2011 03:47 PM (J4Pnx)
The political room is a pretty motley crew, so, yes, Gingrich is still the "smartest." Adjust your bar accordingly. Yeah, as is well known, he can spoil a fine barrel with an occasional rotten apple... which is why I don't want him as president but do want him near the president's right hand.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 12, 2011 03:47 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: JackStraw at September 12, 2011 07:42 PM (TMB3S)
that's where your wrong you hypocritical punk. so let's break down your two claims about me:
1. you name called 1st, claiming you didn't want to insult Perry supporters while in the same breath calling them dumb all because you couldn't stand that I caught you flip-flopping on an electability issue when I pointed out Perry was just as electable as Mitt for now.
2. I don't think Perry is mr. conservative. I've bashed his debate performance, his illegal immigration stances, and that whole forcing vaccines on girls though i've re-thunk my opposition the last one. I also defended Romney from claims he would be Obama 2.0, claims he'd lose to Obama, and other things. In fact Romney is my #2 behind Perry right now.
So no I'm not the bot you want to claim me to be and name calling all goes back to the clown who did it first
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Romneybots, The New Stupid) at September 12, 2011 03:48 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 12, 2011 03:48 PM (zK4pP)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at September 12, 2011 03:48 PM (uVlA4)
Libby, where is Bob Dole's cane? Someone deserves a good beating!
Posted by: Bob Dole! at September 12, 2011 03:48 PM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Fritz at September 12, 2011 03:48 PM (FabC8)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 03:48 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 12, 2011 07:44 PM (s7mIC)
Guessing game time- Huntsman drops out and endorses ____.
All snark about endorsing Obama aside, which remaining Republican would he actually endorse?
He loathes Mittens.
Posted by: CAC at September 12, 2011 03:48 PM (atein)
This message brought to you by: Jon Huntsman for President. Because he is totally straight. No, really, we're serious.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 12, 2011 03:48 PM (3zFBF)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 03:48 PM (oYb6f)
So none of you think it is at all likely Perry will self-immolate and flame out, right? You do know Texas has a ridiculously high budget deficit, don't you? You know he has basically the same immigration policy I do, which has gotten my ass lit up here by virtually everybody, right?
It is unreal how you guys paper over every flaw in Perry--and they are numerous--and still act is if his challengers are beyond the pale. It is too early for this. Don't go all in for Perry yet.
Posted by: spongeworthy at September 12, 2011 03:49 PM (rplL3)
Posted by: befuddled at September 12, 2011 03:49 PM (xJU23)
Posted by: blaster at September 12, 2011 03:49 PM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at September 12, 2011 03:49 PM (jucos)
Posted by: Mitt McCain at September 12, 2011 03:49 PM (d/WO2)
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 07:46 PM (TUax9)
He saw it worked for his old boss...
Posted by: CAC at September 12, 2011 03:49 PM (atein)
You don't come to the HQ for love. You come here for the filth, vulgarity and the occasional recipe.
Posted by: mpfs, TPT at September 12, 2011 03:50 PM (3TjSM)
Um no it was several summers.
He was also a cotton farmer when he returned to Texas. So what of it then. Is farming not a real enough Job?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at September 12, 2011 03:50 PM (0q2P7)
I don't think that there's a significant chance that Bachmann would be named to anyone's ticket as a VP. We don't really need a Republican version of Joe Biden in the White House.
She's just running a vanity campaign; she practically said as much when she was announcing. Her only goal is to try and increase her visibility, status, and the size of her PAC.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 12, 2011 03:50 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 12, 2011 07:39 PM (vzFJV)
+10
Posted by: RushBabe at September 12, 2011 03:51 PM (tQHzJ)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 12, 2011 07:48 PM (zK4pP)
Perry will never get a word in, as he watches Ron Paul knock his own podium down in a frenzied effort to interject himself into that question.
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 12, 2011 03:51 PM (3zFBF)
Posted by: Mitt McCain at September 12, 2011 03:51 PM (d/WO2)
Posted by: CoolCzech at September 12, 2011 07:48 PM (oYb6f)
He has been upgraded from Crist to Snooki.
Posted by: CAC at September 12, 2011 03:51 PM (atein)
Rapiers... dawn... I'd be soooo in...
Posted by: Romeo13 at September 12, 2011 07:46 PM (NtXW4)
That would be badass. I had a conversation with a co-worker today and we agreed that all CinC's should be required to have military experience.
As far as I know, Perry is the only one in the field that has that and would probably decapitate everyone in sight.
Posted by: ErikW at September 12, 2011 03:51 PM (bxrX8)
There's people out there that have to work at IHOP full-time to support their families.
Sorry, I was picking up a sneer behind "door to door salesman" from some folks.
I could be wrong.
Regardless, a summer job does not a career make.
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at September 12, 2011 03:53 PM (J4Pnx)
Posted by: Mitt McCain at September 12, 2011 03:54 PM (d/WO2)
You mean you are not pissed about the Poppy and Junior pretty much turning back the Reagan Revolution and destroying the Republican party? Sack-of-shit Poppy ran as the 3rd Team of Reagan and was so fricking competent he won a war then sat on his ass. If he did such an awesomeness job, why'd he bleed votes to Ross Perot?
Then after Billy-boy, Department of Homeland Insecurity Theater Gropemeister- n Chief and Drugs-For-Everyone Junior and his Crony Cap friends just about completed the job of erasing any possibility of killing the nanny state.
Romney, the Republican Establishment, and most of all Open Borders Means Plenty of Cheap Labor Perry can kiss my ass. After they get in line behind Moochelle, of course.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at September 12, 2011 03:54 PM (jx6di)
so i'll end this little flame war b/w JackStraw and me, here's the comments that miffed me from a previous thread:
I could say are Perry's supporters as dense as his scholastic record showed him to be but I won't. Petty name calling is a waste of time.
but if I do it back i'm a name calling little twat. fuck that. oh well it's Romneybots like JackStraw who like to paint stereotypes of Perry supporters like me who make me more amped to beat Romney. I like Romney actually, a lot. But Romneybots make me want to beat him more. assholes.
last post on that matter. i'm done.
Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Romneybots, The New Stupid) at September 12, 2011 03:54 PM (HhCkU)
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at September 12, 2011 03:54 PM (J4Pnx)
Posted by: wolf blitzer at September 12, 2011 03:54 PM (Ou4YC)
Don't look at me when you say that; however, I really did like Perry and his "Ponzi scheme" rhetoric. He actually earned about a sixth of my vote with it alone.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 12, 2011 03:55 PM (r4t7/)
Posted by: Mitt McCain at September 12, 2011 03:56 PM (d/WO2)
SECTION 284. ESTABLISHMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY BROADBAND CORPORATION
76(a) Establishment.—There is authorized to be established a private, nonprofit corporation,to be known as the “Public Safety Broadband Corporation”, which is neither an agency nor establishment of the United States Government or the District of Columbia Government
SECTION 285. BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF THE CORPORATION.(a)... Membership.—The management of the Corporation shall be vested in a Board of Directors (referred to in this Title as the “Board”), which shall consist of the following members1) FEDERAL MEMBERS.—The following individuals, or their respective designees, shall serve as Federal members:
(A) The Secretary of Commerce.
(B) The Secretary of Homeland Security.
(C) The Attorney General of the United States.
(D) The Director of the Office of Management and Budget
My understanding from what I've read is that there are complaints over the wrangling regarding better communication channels for first responders in the event of another terrorist act. This is the Administration attempting to force their vision on Congress.
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at September 12, 2011 03:56 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: mike at September 12, 2011 03:56 PM (2egVp)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 12, 2011 07:39 PM (vzFJV)
Have I mentioned lately how awesome you are EoJ?
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at September 12, 2011 03:57 PM (J4Pnx)
>>>I really did like Perry and his "Ponzi scheme" rhetoric.
I agree that he's on the right track. And I really like that he isn't backing down from it. Does that work in the general?
I'm skeert. I'll admit it.
Posted by: spongeworthy at September 12, 2011 03:57 PM (rplL3)
Posted by: CAC at September 12, 2011 03:57 PM (atein)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at September 12, 2011 03:58 PM (3zFBF)
For all practical purposes, the field is set and the top tier consists of Romney and Perry. Romney is a known entity; if he's not to one's liking, there's only one other choice in terms of an electable candidate with a good shot at winning the nomination.
All the candidates (Perry included) have flaws. There's no point in waiting for the Perfect Candidate to enter the race before backing one of the current candidates, because such a person does not exist and there's little chance that anyone capable of winning is going to enter the race this late.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 12, 2011 03:58 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: blaster at September 12, 2011 03:59 PM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 04:00 PM (AEIYh)
She's seriously dressed like a skank tonight. Doesn't she have a Marcus Bachmann of her own to help pick out her wardrobe?
Posted by: Oily Taitz at September 12, 2011 04:00 PM (TUax9)
For all practical purposes, the field is set and the top tier consists of Romney and Perry.
Yoo hoo!
Posted by: Sarah Palin, Rockin a V neck T shirt at September 12, 2011 04:02 PM (jucos)
He was also a cotton farmer when he returned to Texas. So what of it then. Is farming not a real enough Job?
Everything I'm finding says summer of 1969.
And I'm not knocking it. As I said before, I picked up a sneer from other posters. As if door to door salesman has a negative connotation.
So back the truck up, dude.
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at September 12, 2011 04:02 PM (J4Pnx)
>>>All the candidates (Perry included) have flaws.
I'm hearing you. It gripes me a little that the flaws Perry has are some of the same ones I catch hell for. But that aside, I believe it is a mistake to look at Perry as some conservative icon. As best I can tell, he isn't. On balance, I don't think he's any more conservative than Romney, though I think there's a chance he could be a more conservative president simply becuase he will owe us. Romney not so much.
But a clear look at Perry's record doesn't scream conservative. For god's sake, he was a damned Democrat when I was an adult! How'm I supposed to forget that?
Posted by: spongeworthy at September 12, 2011 04:02 PM (rplL3)
Posted by: mpfs, TPT at September 12, 2011 04:04 PM (3TjSM)
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at September 12, 2011 04:04 PM (zK4pP)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 04:05 PM (AEIYh)
Yoo hoo!
Posted by: Sarah Palin, Rockin a V neck T shirt at September 12, 2011 08:02 PM (jucos)The only major impact her entry into the race would have is that her fanatical online supporters would become even more obnoxious and delusional.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 12, 2011 04:05 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 04:06 PM (AEIYh)
TW!
Posted by: Arms Merchant at September 12, 2011 04:07 PM (jx6di)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at September 12, 2011 04:07 PM (BJNwZ)
If it weren't for former Democrats, the GOP would be a fraction of the size it is now.
His record is quite conservative, though not perfect.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 12, 2011 04:07 PM (SY2Kh)
And then immediately support Ron Paul!!111!!!
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 12, 2011 04:08 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 04:09 PM (AEIYh)
Posted by: nora at September 12, 2011 04:13 PM (VxqUc)
Perhaps Rick Perry should show him his gun.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 12, 2011 04:14 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 12, 2011 04:16 PM (UOM48)
Good point. But it could also mean they change their "convictions" to suit their constituency. Or they have none. This is part of what ails the Republic.
Posted by: Arms Merchant at September 12, 2011 04:17 PM (jx6di)
Posted by: sven10077 at September 12, 2011 04:18 PM (AEIYh)
Romney will fail in Florida. Had a GOP voter tell me today his vote changed from Romney to Perry based on his lies to seniors.
I will still vote for Romney if I HAVE to but hope that will not happen.
Sic 'em, Rick!
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at September 12, 2011 04:19 PM (baL2B)
Posted by: W.H. Doubter at September 12, 2011 04:22 PM (BJNwZ)
Posted by: ace at September 12, 2011 04:50 PM (5KDlR)
Posted by: torabora at September 12, 2011 05:06 PM (thMZs)
Posted by: Misha at September 12, 2011 05:30 PM (NY/eg)
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Posted by: Newt Gingrich at September 12, 2011 05:51 PM (lNGfM)
Posted by: Wolf Blitzer, U Boat Commander at September 12, 2011 05:51 PM (OeGkx)
Very lively!
I will have to digest most of it before commenting, but there are some flaws in keeping a SS system for the elderly and letting the young opt out, even partially.. the ponzi scheme for the elderly doesn't get funded. Oh well..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 12, 2011 05:54 PM (UTq/I)
Posted by: longnecks at September 12, 2011 05:55 PM (3BtXI)
Perry fucked up with the SS rhetoric, he basically admitted he is going to fuck the 18 to 50 year old voter to get the senior vote, in other words the ill timed "Paul Ryan plan". He should have kept his mouth shut.
Congratulations ACE for figuring out Romney is going to be the top of the ticket.
Posted by: Ringo at September 12, 2011 05:56 PM (fzZmq)
Rick Perry is the most dimwitted, slowest candidate of the lot.
I's like to thank acofspadeshq front pagers for pumping up this unprepared dolt and giving him a path to the nomination, so he can embarass the GOP and destroy the Republican momentum in 2012.
He's a national Sharon Angle.
Thanks Guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Posted by: Winning at September 12, 2011 06:09 PM (yzA37)
Posted by: izoneguy at September 12, 2011 07:02 PM (i6Neb)
Congratulations ACE for figuring out Romney is going to be the top of the ticket.
Posted by: Ringo at September 12, 2011 09:56 PM (fzZmq)"
LOL.
This is the exact opposite of reality. It's too wrong to be an accident. Why aim to mislead?
"On balance, I don't think he's any more conservative than Romney, though I think there's a chance he could be a more conservative president simply becuase he will owe us. Romney not so much."
Their agendas are nearly identical. Their records are complete opposites. Perry is a tax cutting spending cutting low drama administrator. He's walked that walk for a long time.
He is not pure. He's wrong on a few issues. But he's conservative on fiscal policy and entitlement reform. That's not lip service. He doesn't go over the top against Obamacare just to mask his own mandate... he really aims to fix this stuff.
You're right to manage your expectations, though. Perry will not please everyone all of the time, even on the right. I'm sure of that.
Posted by: Dustin at September 12, 2011 07:06 PM (fF625)
Posted by: izoneguy at September 12, 2011 07:06 PM (i6Neb)
Posted by: Doggone Those Kids at September 12, 2011 08:30 PM (H3nQ6)
I couldn't believe how bad Perry and Romney were. They were lame trying to defend their positions on healthcare and immigration. They sounded unprofessional and unprepared.
Ron Paul was actually booed. Social Security highlighted why the other candidates are far more sound than either Perry or Romney, though at least Perry had the courage to call it a Ponzi scheme. Romney demonstrated he doesn't understand taxes nor how industry fnctions offering more of the same old, same old.
Cain showed he had imagination. Something that scares people who like country clubs. Bachman gave concise and reassuring answers.
I don't understand how anyone could support Perry or Romney. But then again you'd have to ask Ace why he supported McCain and continues to push individuals as unqualified and uninspiring as Perry and Romney.
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