June 24, 2011
— Ace I don't know exactly what's going on here, but you can read Delta's statement at NRO.
I have to tell you I am not liking this story, given that WND was the "media" operation pushing it.
They're only about two things: 1, OUTRAGE!, and 2, traffic derived from OUTRAGE!
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Posted by: Truman North at June 24, 2011 08:22 AM (K2wpv)
I would have preferred an answer to the effect of “We have confirmed that Saudi Arabia does not discriminate against Jewish visitors, or people who have visited Israel, and we would never partner with an airline which would require us to enforce such reprehensible policies.”
Saudi Arabian Airlines is government-owned (with some ancillary services, such as catering, being privatized). Delta Airlines is exercising a choice to make its employees complicit in the enforcement of the Saudi governmentÂ’s policies of hatred and discrimination against anyone who visits Israel. If DeltaÂ’s business alliance with the Saudi government is conditional on that government not reinstating a formal ban on all Jewish visitors, Delta has not taken the opportunity to say so. When I travel, I will exercise my own choice not to fly Delta.
Posted by: Y-not at June 24, 2011 08:22 AM (TFxd0)
However... this new statement is unequivocal, and sounds pretty good to me.
I wonder how hard their phones got pounded yesterday.
Posted by: Truman North at June 24, 2011 08:23 AM (K2wpv)
Posted by: Y-not at June 24, 2011 08:23 AM (TFxd0)
Posted by: toby928™ at June 24, 2011 08:24 AM (GTbGH)
Abdhul? Sorry but we're gonna have to put the new agreement on the back burner for a couple of weeks... dam bloggers heard about it...
Yeah... I know... I know... we still want to do this, and heck, we can continue forward with the preliminary implementation steps... but we need to wait until the Press gets distracted by somthing else....
After all... they didn't lambaste United like they are us... so just give it a couple of weeks... OK ole buddy?
Posted by: Executive VP, Delta Airlines at June 24, 2011 08:24 AM (NtXW4)
OT from the sidebar:
At last weekendÂ’s Netroots Nation gathering in Minneapolis, liberal activists expressed frustration that they lacked the political power or media focus given to the conservative tea-party movement.
Really? Really??
Posted by: Truman North at June 24, 2011 08:24 AM (K2wpv)
Posted by: AoSHQ's *second* worst commenter, DarkLord© at June 24, 2011 08:25 AM (GBXon)
DeltaÂ’s only agreement with Saudi Arabian Airlines is a standard industry interline agreement, which allows passengers to book tickets on multiple carriers, similar to the standard interline agreements American Airlines, US Airways and Alaska Airlines have with Saudi Arabian Airlines.
All of the three global airline alliances – Star, which includes United Airlines; oneworld, which includes American Airlines, and SkyTeam, which includes Delta – have members that fly to Saudi Arabia and are subject to that country’s rules governing entry.
1.It would depend upon what requirements in place at this global Alliance. My cursory guess is that if they post the laws of Saudi Arabia, then it's legal. If they have steps in the booking process that ask, Sind Sie ein Juden? Then there is an issue.
2. Note that they stress "standard industry agreement". Would this joker enter into a "standard agreement" that had carriers forbidding muslims? I rather doubt that he'll vounteer that information in a statement. Will anyone ask him that question?
Posted by: Boris Badanov at June 24, 2011 08:25 AM (6rX0K)
In all seriousness, you f*cked up, you trusted WorldNetDaily.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at June 24, 2011 08:25 AM (6ATVV)
Posted by: Average Joe at June 24, 2011 08:26 AM (bN5ZU)
Posted by: DrewM. at June 24, 2011 08:26 AM (Ccb4c)
Yeah.. maybe because they're fucking loons???
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 24, 2011 08:27 AM (f9c2L)
"In all seriousness, you f*cked up, you trusted WorldNetDaily."
My advice to you: Start drinking heavily. [hands ace a sixpack].
Posted by: Bluto at June 24, 2011 08:27 AM (Orc9J)
Posted by: Average Joe at June 24, 2011 08:28 AM (bN5ZU)
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 24, 2011 08:28 AM (JqpkY)
It was a very bad move to allow them into their alliance.
It is indeed an alliance with the devil himself.
Posted by: George Washington at June 24, 2011 08:28 AM (y0VOX)
Posted by: DrewM
What was the policy of these airlines toward South Africa in the era when Mandela was the wonderful terrorist who would cheer on people being stuffed into tires and immolated? Were they in any agreements with the South African airlines then? How about landing rights?
Posted by: Boris Badanov at June 24, 2011 08:29 AM (6rX0K)
When we were kicking this around yesterday, I suggested it might be much ado about nothing. Every airline that flies international routes is required by the destination country to ensure the traveler posseses documents that comply with their Customs and regulations for travel.
Now, I don't "know" Saudi expressly forbids Israeli passport holders legal entry (it wouldn't surprise me, and yeah, it's also shitty, but whatever). If it's true, then every airline that flies to Jeddah would enforce that at the gate.
I could not enter Taiwan or Brazil without a valid passport and a work visa. I would not have been given boarding passes.
If Delta chose some kind of partnership arrangement, that's a little different (code-sharing isn't that), and of course Delta is free to decide "fuck it, we won't go there then, but it hardly makes them any more complicit than any other inbound airline. They're all doin the same thing.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at June 24, 2011 08:29 AM (WvXvd)
Posted by: Joe Mama at June 24, 2011 08:30 AM (CYoZS)
Posted by: sayyid412 at June 24, 2011 08:30 AM (wH1Oc)
For a liberal tea party to exist it would have to build a foundation on fear, distrust, and intolerance. That would be hard to do because many of them could care less about who you are, where you came from, what you worship, or what your children do on camping trips. Even the issue of taxes would not become a single focus because many liberals appreciate flushing their toilets based on socialist constructs.
Posted by: Kay in Maine at June 24, 2011 08:32 AM (K2wpv)
I think it hit our radar via USA Today, didn't it?
Posted by: Y-not at June 24, 2011 08:32 AM (TFxd0)
The posts decrying this were still made in good faith after:
1. Delta proudly touted the story.
2. USAToday posted about it, then quickly deleted the post.
3. Delta backpedals after the shit hits the fan.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 24, 2011 08:33 AM (zgZzy)
Posted by: Sandy Salt at June 24, 2011 08:34 AM (iGZkF)
25 It is doubtful that any kind of ‘liberal’ tea party would be very effective because liberals by nature, are deficient in the character traits that make tea party members so focused.
Yeah, like honesty, hard work, pride in their country . . .
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at June 24, 2011 08:34 AM (zgZzy)
Posted by: Penfold at June 24, 2011 08:35 AM (1PeEC)
What was Delta's policy vis a vis South Africa, before the ANC won?
What is Delta's policy now?
Are they different?
If so, why?
Posted by: Boris Badanov at June 24, 2011 08:35 AM (6rX0K)
And I still agree with the guy from Volokh. It's Delta's choice to do business with these knuckle-draggers, so they deserve the blow-back they get.
Posted by: Y-not at June 24, 2011 08:37 AM (TFxd0)
Posted by: Fake Ace at June 24, 2011 08:38 AM (lT0LC)
Sweet. One less illegal war for oil
Posted by: Truman North at June 24, 2011 08:39 AM (K2wpv)
Posted by: Y-not at June 24, 2011 12:37 PM (TFxd0)
That's why I didn't defend them as part of Ace's original post yesterday when he invited me to. You do business with stone age fucktards, this is what you get.
On the other hand, let's not pretend Delta is the only airline or company doing business there either.
Posted by: DrewM. at June 24, 2011 08:40 AM (Ccb4c)
Yeah the no demonizing civility movement lasted about as long as an isomeric transition half life on a D shell transuranic ; For the brief few seconds between the Giffords incident and the need to demonize republicans in Wisconsin. If you didn't have special equipment to detect it you missed it.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 24, 2011 08:40 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: complying with evil at June 24, 2011 08:41 AM (NpRlM)
If you didn't have special equipment to detect it you missed it.
That's why I throw every liberal I can find into a simming pool, filled with dry cleaning fluid, at the bottom of a coal mine in Utah.
Posted by: Truman North at June 24, 2011 08:42 AM (K2wpv)
Posted by: Fake Ace at June 24, 2011 08:42 AM (lT0LC)
Yeah the no demonizing civility movement lasted about as long as an isomeric transition half life on a D shell transuranic ; For the brief few seconds between the Giffords incident and the need to demonize republicans in Wisconsin. If you didn't have special equipment to detect it you missed it.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose
How dare you sneer at the sacred movement to transcend petty politics. Whose side are you on?
Posted by: The Hildabeast at June 24, 2011 08:43 AM (6rX0K)
They're only about two things: 1, OUTRAGE!, and 2, traffic derived from OUTRAGE!
They hired Allahpundit?
Posted by: nickless at June 24, 2011 08:43 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: irongrampa at June 24, 2011 08:43 AM (ud5dN)
Posted by: SFGoth at June 24, 2011 08:45 AM (dZ756)
Posted by: Fake Ace at June 24, 2011 12:42 PM (lT0LC)
Hey now... we're legit... we're... Unioinized!
Posted by: TSA at June 24, 2011 08:45 AM (NtXW4)
If we don't let you fly, you're not "our customer".
I am a skeptical mother effer.
Posted by: Dang at June 24, 2011 08:46 AM (TXKVh)
Posted by: Y-not at June 24, 2011 12:37 PM (TFxd0)
Yeah, that's the way I feel, too. Their "partnerships" are supposed to be PR plusses and they market them as if the airlines go out for blow and hookers together. I'm sure there is a lot of demand for DTW to Jeddah through Amsterdam.
But JFK airport lets Saudi Arabian Airlines fly directly from their airport, with a ticketing desk and everything.
Posted by: AmishDude at June 24, 2011 08:46 AM (73tyQ)
I can understand that airlines have to comply with regulations at the destination airfield; however, I don't think that US airlines HAVE to provide service to trogolodyte destinations that are beholden to 7th century discriminatory practices.
It would have been most rewarding to see all US airlines refuse to provide service to the Saudis as a matter of principle.
One thing Marx got right was that capitalists (especially crony capitalists) will sell rope to the hangman that will eventually hang them.
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 24, 2011 08:47 AM (yrGif)
When I want reputable news I can trust, WND is the first organization that comes to mind.
How's Joseph Farrah's book doing btw?
Posted by: Ben at June 24, 2011 08:47 AM (wuv1c)
"No way that's kay."
I'd check every third letter of the 12th word in the 32nd sentence of the 8th paragraph before you all start responding :-)
I smell a trap.
Posted by: Bosk at June 24, 2011 08:47 AM (n2K+4)
Great. Whatever. Pass the salt please.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 24, 2011 08:48 AM (0q2P7)
Someone at NRO (in the comments) reminds us that Delta is the one with the troop baggage charge debaucle, too.
@42
Yep, I agree. That first statement was patronizing and weaselly.
Our government may have to play ball with the Saudis for economic or security reasons, but individuals and most companies do not. It's time to freeze them out. If they don't want to be part of modern society, let's help them achieve that.
Posted by: Y-not at June 24, 2011 08:49 AM (TFxd0)
Great. Whatever. Pass the salt please.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose
Is this bullshit from average joe? Or just bullshit?
Posted by: The Hildabeast at June 24, 2011 08:50 AM (6rX0K)
Yeah.. maybe because they're fucking loons???
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at June 24, 2011 12:27 PM (f9c2L)
Also because it's kind of hard to type when the pot fog obscures your view of the monitor.
Just sayin'
Posted by: Nighthawk at June 24, 2011 08:50 AM (OtQXp)
Nikki Revealed: For Real Filed under: General — Stranahan @ 9:46 am
I’m doing at radio show at Noon Central (1 East, 11 Mountain, 10 Pacific) where I’m going to reveal the read, confirmed person behind the Nikki Reid account — and probably Patriot as well.
Conjecture is over.
Listen here. - Lee Stranahan
Posted by: toby928™ at June 24, 2011 08:51 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 24, 2011 08:51 AM (NtTkA)
They've got their Tea Party, ever since the 60s, even back to the 30s. They're angry, they're violent, they're passe, and they've made everyone sick of them.
Posted by: nickless at June 24, 2011 08:52 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 24, 2011 08:52 AM (0q2P7)
OT - House rejects measure to continue US role in Libya.
WASHINGTON (AP) — The House has voted down a measure giving President Barack Obama the authority to continue the U.S. military action against Libya.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at June 24, 2011 08:52 AM (9hSKh)
?
Posted by: aborted baby at June 24, 2011 08:52 AM (TFxd0)
Don't read it if you've already eaten. However, if you haven't eaten and are looking to cut back, this will certainly dim the appetite.
Posted by: The Hammer at June 24, 2011 08:53 AM (32ubA)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 24, 2011 08:53 AM (NtTkA)
Great. Whatever. Pass the salt please.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose
ARREST THIS MAN!
Posted by: Bloomberg at June 24, 2011 08:53 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: yinzer at June 24, 2011 08:55 AM (/Mla1)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 24, 2011 08:56 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at June 24, 2011 08:57 AM (0q2P7)
Let's review the facts about this.
Ace of Spades HQ - particularly the original AOS corespondant on the scene in his boxers - Drew: RINO.
Denying that Delta Airlines has instituted antisemtic policies: structurally similar expression to denying that Nazi Germany instituted antisemtic policies.
Anthony Wiener's wiener: Not in this story.
Posted by: Entropy at June 24, 2011 08:58 AM (IsLT6)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 24, 2011 09:00 AM (NtTkA)
Delta Airlines is exercising a choice to make its employees complicit in the enforcement of the Saudi governmentÂ’s policies of hatred and discrimination against anyone who visits Israel.
To wit; John McCain, Bill Kristol, Lindsay Graham and Jennifer Rubin have called for the immediate invasion of Moldova.
Posted by: Entropy at June 24, 2011 09:01 AM (IsLT6)
Now, I don't "know" Saudi expressly forbids Israeli passport holders legal entry (it wouldn't surprise me, and yeah, it's also shitty, but whatever). If it's true, then every airline that flies to Jeddah would enforce that at the gate.
Dave in Texas at June 24, 2011 12:29 PM (WvXvd)
No. This would be discrimination based off of national origin, and would subject the carrrier to being sued in court.
The only legal way that a carrier that was boarding in U.S. territory could legally keep "the Jews" off the plane (or Israelis) would be to check to see if they had the necessary visa, which is granted by the Saudis, not the airline.
So if the Saudis refused to grant a visa to an Israeli passport holder, then the guy shows up, shows his ticket, but has no visa, he doesn't get on the plane. The airline checked his ticket, it was OK, but he had no visa, so he couldn't get on. His passport wouldn't be an issue.
The airline would then kept him off based off his lack of a visa, not because he was a Jew/Israeli.
The Saudi's did the discriminating, not the airline.
Posted by: ed at June 24, 2011 09:02 AM (Y2WVW)
Dude, this is Ace's place. Even the proprietor and cob-loggers troll this joint.
Posted by: AoSHQ's *second* worst commenter, DarkLord© at June 24, 2011 09:02 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: Curmudgeon at June 24, 2011 09:04 AM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Cherry π the unbanned at June 24, 2011 09:04 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at June 24, 2011 09:05 AM (NtTkA)
Posted by: lan sing at June 24, 2011 09:05 AM (YHrQZ)
Posted by: Tami at June 24, 2011 09:07 AM (X6akg)
I would also like to remind everyone, before they brush this story off as a ridiculous misfire or something, that besides banning Jews from being allowed to fly on planes numerous scientific studies have shown that Delta Airlines causes cancer.
Posted by: Entropy at June 24, 2011 09:07 AM (IsLT6)
Posted by: Havedash at June 24, 2011 09:07 AM (sFD5n)
"Jenny" Yeah, aint much of a reveal.
Posted by: kuato at June 24, 2011 09:08 AM (GTbGH)
The Saudi's did the discriminating, not the airline.
Posted by: ed at June 24, 2011 01:02 PM (Y2WVW)
Yes.... Ve just drove them to the chambers... Ve had nutzing to do with it...
Posted by: German Railroad Engineer, 1945 at June 24, 2011 09:08 AM (NtXW4)
http://tinyurl.com/6hbldp4
Posted by: Tami at June 24, 2011 09:09 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Cherry π the unbanned at June 24, 2011 09:09 AM (OhYCU)
Would Delta still stand by the agreement if the airline in the partnership forbade Muslims from flying on any flight?
If South Africa was still under apartheid, would Delta deal with them at all?
Posted by: kbdabear at June 24, 2011 09:12 AM (so1xa)
I would also like to remind everyone, before they brush this story off as a ridiculous misfire or something, that besides banning Jews from being allowed to fly on planes numerous scientific studies have shown that Delta Airlines causes cancer.
Posted by: Entropy at June 24, 2011 01:07 PM (IsLT6)
Hmmm... well... lets see... Everyone who gets Cancer did breathe... and Delta Airplanes do put stuff into the Air... so... logicly Delta Airlines MUST cause Cancer!
Quick... lets file a lawsuit... I need the cash to pay for MY defense...
Posted by: John Edwards at June 24, 2011 09:13 AM (NtXW4)
Posted by: runner at June 24, 2011 09:15 AM (WR5xI)
Posted by: LA Rioter at June 24, 2011 09:15 AM (NtXW4)
The Saudi's did the discriminating, not the airline.
Posted by: ed at June 24, 2011 01:02 PMYeh, and IG Farben only manufactured and shipped furnaces to Poland, they didn't load the corpses in the ovens
Posted by: kbdabear at June 24, 2011 09:15 AM (so1xa)
Posted by: kuato at June 24, 2011 01:08 PM
I've got her number; 867-5309
Posted by: Tommy Tutone at June 24, 2011 09:17 AM (so1xa)
Posted by: stuiec at June 24, 2011 09:23 AM (I/OIy)
Delta is a 4th string airline, anyway.
Posted by: Henry Harold Humphries - you can call me 'H' at June 24, 2011 09:29 AM (yuQh/)
http://tinyurl.com/4zlql6
They are trying to do damage control...BIG TIME.
Posted by: mpfs at June 24, 2011 09:30 AM (iYbLN)
Yes.... Ve just drove them to the chambers... Ve had nutzing to do with it...
Actually Delta won't drive them to the chambers... that's seems to be the problem here.
As the engine was revving up to tow the box cars off to Poland, the railroad engineer has been accused of throwing the Jews off in Leipzig, on account of racist policies banning Jews from rail travel.
Just you know, a PSA from the Public Comittee for A Minimum of "Plausible" Accuracy Displayed in Analogies.... Our starting point of ostensible outrage here is that Delta took no Jews to Iran, for which there is at the moment no actual evidence.
Yeh, and IG Farben only manufactured and shipped furnaces to Poland, they didn't load the corpses in the ovens
Srsly?
Posted by: Entropy at June 24, 2011 09:32 AM (IsLT6)
German Railroad Engineer, 1945 at June 24, 2011 01:08 PM (NtXW4)
kbdabear at June 24, 2011 01:15 PM (so1xa)
Just so you know, I'm talking about a legal hypothetical, in response to Dave in Texas's legal hypothetical.
I understand the point you are making, but that's not where I'm trying to go.
Posted by: ed at June 24, 2011 09:32 AM (Y2WVW)
Dumb f*cking PR move on Delta's part. It sounds as if the Obambi administration works in their PR department. Only they could be this stupid and tone deaf.
Posted by: mpfs at June 24, 2011 09:33 AM (iYbLN)
Dumb f*cking PR move on Delta's part. It sounds as if the Obambi administration works in their PR department. Only they could be this stupid and tone deaf.
The airline industry in general tends to be run by f*cking morons these days. Delta just seems to be ahead of the curve in sacrificing their morals and ethics in order to make money.
Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at June 24, 2011 09:36 AM (JqpkY)
Exactly and they are helping OJ find the real killer.
It probably was an evil Joo carrying a copy of the Old Testament and trying to board a Delta flight to the Kingdom.
Posted by: mpfs at June 24, 2011 09:37 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at June 24, 2011 09:42 AM (QcFbt)
It probably was an evil Joo carrying a copy of the Old Testament and trying to board a Delta flight to the Kingdom.
Has there been a single Jew that was refused a flight from Delta on account of being a Jew?
Posted by: Entropy at June 24, 2011 09:44 AM (IsLT6)
We might have less of a Barack Hussein problem now if we had done that then!
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 24, 2011 09:49 AM (yrGif)
Posted by: Fritz at June 24, 2011 09:50 AM (p2IBw)
http://tinyurl.com/muslimdiscrimination
Posted by: Hrothgar at June 24, 2011 09:56 AM (yrGif)
Missing the point.
How is it missing the point?
Y'know... narrative 'point' aside, "Did this actually ever happen" is a legitimate question. Otherwise I posit we should be arguing about whether Global Warming disproportionately impacts minorities.
Delta says they do not even fly to Saudi Arabia.
Somehow, on the strength of a WND article, this is conflated with the Nazi holocaust by multiple commentors? Srsly?
BTW - that's fairly falsifiable. Is there even such a thing as a Delta flight to SA in the first place, to exclude Jews from? Or are we, and WND, just feeling 'truthy'?
And if that is the case and there is no flight to SA - can we accurately say that Delta is also denying Christians and homosexuals boarding to SA?
Posted by: Entropy at June 24, 2011 10:04 AM (IsLT6)
Ding. You win the giant fuckin' Panda, AND the 50 state keychain set (or was that 57?).
Posted by: braindead MBM, gittin skeered. at June 24, 2011 10:05 AM (XyjRQ)
Re: WorldNutDaily - I actually visited that site years ago for the comedic value of the Y2K hysteria. (They were actually trying to sell vastly overpriced "survival kits", but that didn't make the madness any less funny.)
As for the losers who won't give it up, what do you have to say about this notorious anti-Semitic doctor?
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