1
fuck 'im

2 The staff has acted stupidly.  We need every vote we can get.  Look:  we kept Patrick Kennedy upright and voting for five terms!  It was necessary for the future of America.

3 He just exhibits the symptoms more visibly. All of the Dems are loons.

4 Posted something on this in the ONT.  It is sort of frightening but then I began to wonder if maybe, as a dem, the guy wasn't carrying his weight, doing what was expected of him and, as such, they wanted to put a crimp in his life.  Haven't checked his voting record, not sure where to do that.  But it might prove to be fascinating. 

"Q4 Hedge Fund Hotel Update: Apple Is Now Held By A Record 195 Hedge Funds"

(its a fascinating read)

5
no resignation?

6 furries are people too!!

7 Liberalism is a mental disease!

/Channeling Michael Savage.

8
only Republicans resign

question: It's been a week since Chris Hill resigned. Did his resignation serve any real purpose? Do any of give a shit about what he did?

9 sorry, link to the zero hedge article the first paragraph makes me, an apple shareholder, a little uneasy.

10 Hm... you're right.  This sounds more like one of their guys went off the reservation than off the deep end. 

11 He's nuts? You mean he doesn't believe in UFOs?

12

When liberals think another liberal stands out as a nut, you know he's nuts.

13 What did he do to make his staff think he was nuts- vote against Obamacare?

14 Do you remember Eric Massa?  He didn't do anything that any of them don't do all the time, but he was outed and turned out to keep the rest of them in line.

15 Is this the same Wu who raped a chick in college, and got away with it?

16 question: It's been a week since Chris Hill resigned. Did his resignation serve any real purpose? Do any of give a shit about what he did?

Do you mean Chris Lee?

I got the impression that it was a bigger deal to him than it was to anybody politically.

I saw some story on the sidebar that a possible replacement (assuming he makes it through the special election) would be much better.

17 What did he do to make his staff think he was nuts

Maybe he turned down lobbyist money?  The whole "nuts" thing, might be a clever ruse by his staff to railroad the only honest man in congress.  Then again, maybe not...

18 Living in this asshole's district makes me really appreciative his staff just kept it all covered up. Probably wouldn't have made any difference anyways. It's so blue here it's disgusting.

19 O/T:  "While we are confident that representatives Asay, Hurst, Klippert, Pearson, and Miloscia have no clue why they are even proposing this bill, we would also be delighted to find out which moneyed interests they represent, and what happens to precious metal trading in America should Bill 1716 become a legal precedent which is effectively the first step before the final implementation of Executive Order 6102 version 2."

Full bill (pdf)

20 Real question. Did he pay his taxes?

21 Does anybody think yeeeeaaaahhhhrrrggg was playing with a full deck?  Plus he had a prescription pad.

22

David, if you really are nuts, do get some help.

Isn't it some sort of axiom that squirrels don't realize that they're squirrels?

23 Did he pay his taxes?

Probably thought the bill was lettuce and at it with a tossed salad.

24
yeah, Chris Lee

This is gonna sound counter-intuitive but...I think it's almost always better for the party when a Republican (such as Gov Sanford) does not resign. I think it takes a little power away from the Democrats and the media who seem to dictate resignations from the Republicans.

25
The stairs in his lighthouse don't go all the way to the top.

26

A new liberal Moonbat in the making at Dear Abby

I'm a 15-year-old girl. I go to a private school where everyone gets really nice cars for their 16th birthday. I have a 2001 compact economy car. It's nothing compared to the cars my peers get. I know if I start to drive this car when I turn 16, people will make fun of me -- behind my back and to my face. I don't want to be seen in it.

Doesn't that sound just like an Obama voter?

27 51-50

28 Showing up for work in scuba gear is a little unusual, but crazy? ninja please.

29
New sizes of Deficit Reduction from House Republicans!

We have Miniature Deficit Reduction.
We have Bite Size Deficit reduction.

And we have Fun Size Deficit Reduction!

30 I think it's almost always better for the party when a Republican (such as Gov Sanford) does not resign. I think it takes a little power away from the Democrats and the media who seem to dictate resignations from the Republicans.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at February 19, 2011 03:29 PM (uFokq)

You might be right but I really was disgusted by Sanford's dear-in-the-headlights smitten look on his face.  I'd have applauded Jenny if she'd parted his skull with a sledgehammer.  If you're gonna be a hound, at least don't go douche on us.

31
Sanford is a sleaze, Cap'n, no doubt.

But purely in the what is in the best interest of the party, I'm glad he finished his term.

I mean, it took the steam right out of the scandal and it became a joke rather than a disgrace that the Democrats could wield over us.

32 Huh.  Liberal, crazy, who can tell?

33
Chris Lee is an idiot for a lot of reasons.

But he embarrassed the party and sort of gave the Democrats another scalp to hang on their wall. He could've stayed in office and no one would give a shit in a few months.

34 David, if you really are nuts, do get some help. You owe the people who elected you that much. You might want to think about replacing your staff too.

What needs to happen is for those dorks in OR to replace their congressman.

35 Posted by: Axe Cop (formerly Truman North) at February 19, 2011 03:39 PM (8ay4x)

Yes.  We get it.  Please, put it on every thread this weekend and be sure to copy and paste it so that it gets longer and longer and longer.

36 I'm gonna. 

37 Maybe I should just make it a link?

38
34 114 Hey, you know what?  I am super happy that the House GOP has decided to try to ask the Democratic Senate and the President to please, please cut 0.016 of the budget.

Or, in other words, the amount we borrow in approximately 22 days.

Posted by: Axe Cop at February 19, 2011 03:07 PM (8ay4x)

116 Totally the reason I bled, sweat and sobbed for the entirety of 2009 and 2010:  0.016 of what Obama wants.

Posted by: Axe Cop at February 19, 2011 03:09 PM (8ay4x)

117 I snuck away from my family to go to the March 21-22 Obamacare protests, spending upwards of $500 I didn't have and putting 2000 miles on my ancient car.  And the fuckers can manage to beg the Democrats for 0.016 of what Obama wants.

Posted by: Axe Cop at February 19, 2011 03:10 PM (8ay4x)

118 ...a trip my kids haven't forgiven me for to this day.  For 0.016.

Posted by: Axe Cop at February 19, 2011 03:11 PM (8ay4x)

120 Fuck them all.

Posted by: Axe Cop at February 19, 2011 03:11 PM (8ay4x)

Posted by: Axe Cop (formerly Truman North)
======================================

Word.

39 I would have made an awesome commenter.

40 I guess you're right, Sooth; to tell the truth I didn't even notice him finishing his term under the radar because, like you said, to the MFM/donkeycrats the thrill was gone.  It could be that Jenny was the most unpleasant biznotch in the history of humanity but, even if so, he handled it in the most unstandup way possible.  He wasn't so much a sleaze as a wimp imo.

41
Two things to remember.

1. Never fuck with Mother Nature.
2. Never fuck with AoS commenters when they're in a mood.

42 0.016.  That's what the fuck we go balls to the wall for.  0.016 less than the pan-Leninist anti-colonial country wrecker wanted.

43 Elizabeth Edwards vouched for him

44 Wu's staff first suspected something was wrong when, two weeks before the election, he announced the hiring of a Welsh corgi, Count Pillsbottom, as his chief of staff and then fired his pants.

45 I would vote for Count Pillsbottom over Obama.

46 he announced the hiring of a Welsh corgi, Count Pillsbottom, as his chief of staff and then fired his pants. I'm putting this guy in Geithner's seat. A definite improvement.

47

Posted by: SuperCool

The italics made it funnier.

48
I'm driving it home for you, Axel!

Before the 2010 elections: Obama was at100%
After the historic 2010 elections: Obama is at 98.4%

woo hoo!

49 I wonder if the welsh corgi has duel citizenship.

50 It's the part where Wu fired his pants that got everyone's attention, right?

51

Dagny:

1) "DUAL" citizenship

2) the link in your sig is broken

52 ...who else can I piss off today...

53 Are you with me Doctor Wu? Are you really just a shadow of the man that I once knew? Are you crazy? Are you high? Or just an ordinary guy?

54 No, duel citizenship. The corgi is armed.

55 Socks failing again

56

What's the problem?

57 Capricorn Dec 22 - Jan 19

A journey of self-improvement ends almost before it starts when you find out there's a kind of waffle stuffed with cheese and booze.

58
ummm, did Wu (cocksucker!) happen to vote this week?

If so, how did he vote?

59 Seen this yet?

http://tinyurl.com/47wjcwe

Fake DoctorsÂ’ Notes Being Handed Out at Wisconsin Gov. Union Rally

60 55 Are you with me Doctor Wu?

I think it's just "The Doctor".

61 Fake DoctorsÂ’ Notes Being Handed Out at Wisconsin Gov. Union Rally Too bad Walker can't issue fake paychecks to the teachers.

62 ummm, did Wu (cocksucker!) happen to vote this week?

If so, how did he vote?

Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at February 19, 2011 03:53 PM (uFokq)

I noticed his name on a roll call.  He voted with the rest of the loonies .

63 Another article with additional details, including a picture of him in a tiger suit for Halloween.

64 I am all for those in need obtaining psychiatric care.

Ditto math tutoring, which many, many more on Hill need in addition to Representative Wu.

65 Seen this yet?

http://tinyurl.com/47wjcwe

Fake DoctorsÂ’ Notes Being Handed Out at Wisconsin Gov. Union Rally

Posted by: sock puppeh at February 19, 2011 03:53 PM (VcPAo)

I hope all  their students that are rallying too get their hands on those fake notes also.  Hilarity will ensue.

66
Thank you, Tami. Just as suspected.

So a bat-shit crazy person is voting in the House on important legislation and the Republicans are short one vote because a goofball was cruising craigslist looking for a piece.

And now my point is made.

67 Fake DoctorsÂ’ Notes Being Handed Out at Wisconsin Gov. Union Rally

Favorite note from my high school days. 
Dear Mr.XXXX.
Please excuse David's absence from your class.  He was eating me.
Jello

68
So the next time you say 'good riddance' to a stupid Republican, just remember Wu (cocksucker!).

69 When liberals think another liberal stands out as a nut, you know he's nuts.

Word.

70 I heartily applaud Mr Wu's staff for their "courage" in going through with the campaign in spite of the ummm...challenges involved.

So do I.

71 They have
Biden for the drunken idiot vote,
Obama for the cocaine and crack vote, 
Hillary for the crazy old bitch vote,
Michelle for the fat nosy neighbor bitch who never shuts the fuck up vote,
Bawney Fwank and Chawlie Rangel for the glory hole vote,
why shouldn't they have a few crazy muthas like Crackson-Lee and this doofus up there in DC.

72 OT, but my brain hurts reading this talking point over and over again from the union side in WI (meaning most of my colleagues in academia): "For those of you wondering the IMPORTANCE OF COLLECTIVE BARGAINING for both teachers and students.....read this fact: "Only 5 states do not have collective bargaining for educators. Those states' ranking on ACT/SAT scores: South Carolina 50th, North Carolina 49th, Georgia 48th, Texas 47th, Virginia 44th. Wisconsin is 2nd." Can anyone explain to me how collective bargaining, and ONLY collective bargaining is the driving predictive factor in this equation? This is coming not only from friends from WI in the education system, but social scientists who should know what specious reasoning means. But then again that's never stopped them from publishing other BS either, and this is exactly what makes social science anything but a science. Once we have the results we want, we stop.

73 Posted by: Doc at February 19, 2011 04:07 PM (jGXQI)

That statistic is BS.

74 More Dem civility

http://tinyurl.com/4fg7t98

Group targets Speaker BoehnerÂ’s (small-h) house

75 My (likeable but looney left wing) neighbor posted this link:
Republican Officials Cut Head Start Because Women Should Be Married And Home With Kids

After pointing out that this was a county meeting explaining budget cuts on the local cable network and this was COUNTY, not COUNTRY, I was compelled to add Purple Avenger's link with the remark "Maybe he won't get this far, though".

Timing is everything.

76

Ok,dual not duel. Perhaps that would be an option.

I have no link in my sig and will not ever have a link in my sig. Don't know why that showed up like that

77
seems that the 3rd in line for the presidency's house would receive a lot more security (and respect)...if s/he was a Democrat.

78 I hope all their students that are rallying too get their hands on those fake notes also. Hilarity will ensue. Bueller? Bueller??

79 @74
Clearly the cause of high scores isn't collective bargaining.  It's cold weather.  Beware  global warming!

80 "Only 5 states do not have collective bargaining for educators. Those states' ranking on ACT/SAT scores: South Carolina 50th, North Carolina 49th, Georgia 48th, Texas 47th, Virginia 44th. Wisconsin is 2nd." 1) Collective bargaining 2) ??? 3) SAT scores!

81 Here is where that stat I cited above is coming from, which is simplistic in its own right:

http://bit.ly/h0MzZK

How about the number of students taking the exam, could that effect the outcome? Or school districts providing SAT/ACT prep courses? I could go on and on...

82 Liberals got half the globe to believe in a completely made up Climate Change Hoax Religion, shit-can the entire global economy over it and then sell themselves into slavery to Al Gore and a bunch of commie bastards in Birkenstocks.

Do you really think it's hard for them to sway the stupid asses in this country to believe a bullshit educational statistic pushed by a bunch of burn-outs with who whack off to posters of Che?

Any newspaper from now until the end will serve just fine as this world's epitaph. The stupid has reached the point of no return.

83 Well, women should be married and at home with kids and most would be if they could fucking afford it after taxes or they just want more stuff. Is your stupid neighbor suggesting that the ideal situation is that women should be unmarried with kids and away from them? How stupid.

84 PA, You should link the tiger pic.

85 The states that do the best also tend to have high populations of Scandinavians and Germans.  The people in favor of collective bargaining are RACISTS!

86 yes we elect certifibly insane people to congress all the time their called REPUBLICANS hahaha ROLMAO ....... you just ranked out yourself ..... almost elected a crazy witch Christine mcconnell and how about that racist angle????? Lol what about palin, how will you stop new scandal about troopergate ....wise up guys .....

87
If David Wu is considered insane, then there is no reason to suspect Sheila Jackson Lee, D-TX for believing Astronauts landed on Mars or Hank Johnson, D-Ga believing Guam would tip over if additional people were on the island. 

Maybe the correlation is all three are democrats?

88 Does someone have a graph that overlays low SAT scores with percentage of students from single-parent homes and homes that are receiving welfare?

Welfare and otherwise living as a remora on Uncle Sam's neck vein = stupid kids.

89 #74: Iowa is #1 and it's a right-to-work state.  I don't know how "collective bargaining" figures into it all, though.

Also, they use a bizarre formula where they compute the state ranks of the ACT/SAT averages and then ranks the ranks.  It's manifestly stupid even for somebody who doesn't know statistics.  No wonder our public schools are such sewage.

Here's a perfect example: Iowa is #1 overall right?  But it's #2 in SAT average and #5 in ACT average.  Plus, being in the midwest, the ACT score is much more common than in the east.

New York is #42 in SAT average but #8 in ACT average.  But the SAT score is much more telling because almost nobody in NY takes the ACT.  Here's a table of what they're looking at: http://tinyurl.com/4jbch4l

One more thing: those rankings are racist.

90 You show em tiger.

91 Posted this in the wrong thread, as usual.  David Wu expressed interest in actually enforcing immigration laws, not passing amnesty, so I'd take his "crazy" diagnosis with a huge grain of salt.

92 Republican Officials Cut Head Start Because Women Should Be Married And Home With Kids

Wait.  Head Start is nothing more than daycare?

93 failin steele:

That stuff is for making babies. It's not a beverage you want to live on.

94 In all seriousness though, and I'm NOT defending this guy in any way, but one of the sad facts of life in Washington is that you can BE just a bug-nutz batshit crazy as you want, but the minute you try to get HELP for it you're toast. On a related note I've got an old McGovern-Eagleton button lying around the Nighthawk Nest here somewhere. Anybody know it it's worth anything to a collector?

95 On a related note I've got an old McGovern-Eagleton button lying around the Nighthawk Nest here somewhere. Anybody know it it's worth anything to a collector?

I'd be shocked.

96 Doc, if you make him sane, he's not going to change his vote, is he?

97 Re 97 LOL!

98 How do you tell if a democrat has gone insane or is just voting the party line?

99 You guys really overestimate the voters in Wu's district. Had they known he was nuts they'd probably have elected him by a greater margin.

100 Headstart is a program that bridges the gap between ignoring your responsibilities as a parent from age 2 to age 3 and when you can begin ignoring your responsibilities as a parent by putting your kids in Pre-school from age 3 to 5.

Then you can put the little future Oprah guests in public school where the union shitbags will be kind enough to indoctrinate and watch over them until they are old enough for jail or rehab.

101 If so, how did he vote? Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at February 19, 2011 03:53 PM (uFokq) Purple. You know, because he's nuts. Soothsayer- there was a Dem here in California who was clinically senile- she had advanced Alzheimers and her staff made her votes for her- she was escorted out of the room after repeatedly screaming about someone stealing her water bottle-which was in her hand. They absolutely refused to force her out or replace her. The Left Coast is entirely batshit.

102 #91  What makes my brain hurt is that these are educators continually refuting this garbage, a-la the Global Warming claptrap.

One of my students accused me yesterday of making up the $100k in compensation figure for Milwaukee students while discussing the topic. So I showed the link/video from the MacIver Institute that has someone from the MPS saying it herself. But because MacIver is a "Free Market Voice", the student says it cannot be trusted because of its bias. THE VIDEO SHOWED A SCHOOL BOARD MEETING FROM THE MPS WITH A MEMBER SAYING IT HERSELF.

Don't trust it, however. But this stat about SAT/ACT rankings - Gold according to now 6 of my friends/colleagues on FB and twitter!

That is what students learn in school/college that study social science. Find what you want, dismiss everything else as bias/racist/sexist. To hell with actual intellectual discussion or, ya know, facts.

103 Hey, losers.

104 In other news, Michelle Antoinette and the kiddies are skiing in Vail this weekend.  From Tapper's blog:

The Vail Daily reports a motorcade of about a dozen vehicles, including local and state law enforcement traveled from Eagle County Regional Airport to Vail Friday night.

Wonder how many quarts of ice cream FLOTUS will go through? 

105 They called Joe Biden crazy and now he's vice-president.

106 That chart is out of date

Here are the 2009 rankings

And SAT/ACT scores have no direct relationship to whether or not a State is right to work.

Maine has no right to work law and they are next to last (50, DC is last)

107 Wait.  Head Start is nothing more than daycare?

AmishDude --

Around here, it's rather like "Sesame Street Live".
Educational, worth having -- budget permitting.

Between that and maintaining the sewer system, though, I'll have to choose the sewer system.

Not sure whether the Head Start kids ever take ACT or SAT tests ;-)

108 Vail is famous for its barbecue.

109
How about the number of students taking the exam, could that effect the outcome? Or school districts providing SAT/ACT prep courses? I could go on and on...

Posted by: Doc at February 19, 2011 04:12 PM (jGXQI)

If you click on 'main page' at the bottom, it will take you to a page that shows those are 1999 stats.

110

Alvin Greene/Wu 2012!

The democrats really know how to pick them don't they?

111 101 You guys really overestimate the voters in Wu's district. Had they known he was nuts they'd probably have elected him by a greater margin.

Tell me about it.

112 Based on their position on the score chart, Florida and Pennsylvania need a LOT more collective bargaining.

113 The wonderful thing about tiggers is I'm the only one.

114 #108 I guess it's mearly coincidental that 1 of the top 20 states have 20% of students actually take the SAT

115

108 Vic,

I have an answer to your question about Flake and Campbell. They wanted more, so they voted no out of protest. That's all.

116 Thank God I had my shirt on.

117 Maine has no right to work law and they are next to last (50, DC is last) Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2011 04:28 PM (M9Ie6) Any state that repeatedly reelects Snowe and Collins (and whose population look like a cross between that kid from Deliverance and Jaws from the Bond movies) is bound to be near the bottom of every barrel.

118 One more point.  I have had countless discussions with liberals who scoffed at the SATs or other standardized tests, including IQ tests.  They swear that they are not predictors of success in college, life, or anything else.  This is, of course, because they are trying to excuse the blatant racial and ethnic privileges that permit those from the favored groups to be admitted with much lower scores than those from the disfavored groups.  Well, libs, which is it?  Are they predictive or not? 

119 #111 I saw that too. I came here to vent because trying to explain things like that to my friends/colleagues will only cost me. I got the link from them.

120 I also wonder if we'll soon be hearing from Sheila Jackson-Lee's staffers. She makes me cringe.

121 Heh, fox is reporting on the fake doctors notes. I'm thinkin these doctors are going to be indicted for fraud against the taxpayers before this is over.

122 Soothsayer- there was a Dem here in California who was clinically senile- she had advanced Alzheimers and her staff made her votes for her- she was escorted out of the room after repeatedly screaming about someone stealing her water bottle-which was in her hand.

This is what I don't get.  They're in heavily D districts.  They didn't need her.  They could have replaced her with a parrot who mimics Nancy.

123 I have an answer to your question about Flake and Campbell. They wanted more, so they voted no out of protest. That's all.

I searched the 'net for a statement from them to that effect and I could not find anything. Did you find a statement?

124 It's hard to type out Axe Cop (formerly Truman North) every time I want to post something.  I'm just going back to Truman.

125 The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness.

Think of your three best friends.

If they are okay, then it's you.

Jerry Seinfeld

126

Is this the same Wu who raped a chick in college, and got away with it?

 

Yup, same douchebag.  He just won his 7th term.  I'm sure his staff knew he would win re-election wether or not they went forward with their allegations.  His district includes the most populous county in OR, Multonomah, also known as the People's Rebuplic of Portland.

127 replaced her with a parrot who mimics Nancy


Oh, you mean the false-breasted booby.

128 If he wins and then can't serve the governor probably gets to replace him with an appointee that will probably be a Democrat and then will have an incumbent's advantage in the next election.    If Wu was disqualified before the election then the Republican would get the seat.

It's not a stupid choice, tactics-wise for the party, to go for the win even if the candidate has gone crazy, because the party will probably retain the seat.

Is it *right*?   Maybe not.   But if someone can't turn it around to "you can't trust these people" then they're probably  shouldn't get elected either.

129 Don't you have auto form complete?

130 63 Fake DoctorsÂ’ Notes Being Handed Out at Wisconsin Gov. Union Rally

Too bad Walker can't issue fake paychecks to the teachers.       I read somewhere That Gov. Walker could switch the state's workers from Direct deposit of their paychecks back to the old system of issuing paper paychecks that the AWOL congresscritters would need to pick up in person......

131

Heh, fox is reporting on the fake doctors notes. I'm thinkin these doctors are going to be indicted for fraud against the taxpayers before this is over.

 

They should lose their licenses to practice medicine.  Fraud is fraud.

132 No, I don't want to know where Mrs. goes online or vice-versa. Especially vice-versa.  And every time I close my browser and come back, the forms are empty.

133
"Who ahrr wu?"

134 Rape is fine, just don't a topless photo turn up if you are a man, or in my case a tigger.

135

They should lose their licenses to practice medicine.  Fraud is fraud.

Posted by: runningrn at February 19, 2011 04:35 PM (ihSHD)

Really, I assume they pass out perscriptions just as easily. These people can't be trusted with a medical license.

136 You disabled history?

137 116 #108 I guess it's mearly coincidental that 1 of the top 20 states have 20% of students actually take the SAT

Posted by: Doc at February 19, 2011 04:30 PM (jGXQI)

Good point.  In the case of Maine, it looks like they have a policy to make almost all students take it.  In the case of the states on the upper end, anybody taking the SAT intends to go to college out-of-state and pretty far out of state at that.

138 You disabled history?

Posted by: Truman North (formerly Axe Cop) at February 19, 2011 04:38 PM (SJ6/3)

He better, or he got some splaining to do to the Missus.

139 It's hard to type out Axe Cop (formerly Truman North) every time I want to post something.  I'm just going back to Truman.

Both of my browsers retain the last used "name" in the comments field until I delete cookies.

What browser are you using?

140 You can logoff and each of you could have a password protected user.

141
I can solve that Wisconsin teacher problem post haste.

142 Also, even if I delete cookies and history when I click on the name box it will give me a listing of the names and sock puppets I have used recently.

143

They should lose their licenses to practice medicine.  Fraud is fraud.

Posted by: runningrn at February 19, 2011 04:35 PM (ihSHD)

I'm not sure what the laws are on the note, but I'm pretty sure that they could reject the note as fraud if the teacher didn't have an appointment (complete with either a co-pay or a request to the insurance company for payment).

Oops.

144 To be perfectly honest, the Wisconsin bill is a complete and total overreach. 
Rather than looking for concessions on wages and benefits, the governor/legislature have tried to use this crisis to eliminate collective bargaining rights for teachers.

Basically, if you're a teacher, you're being told that you no longer have the ability to negotiate your working conditions (i.e. lunch time / prep. / mandatory PD, etc.). 

Additionally, teachers can only bargain for wage increases up to the rate of inflation.  In other words, Wisconsin teachers will NEVER receive another wage increase (in real dollars) again.  

First of all, even if you despise teachers, you should at least respect their right to try to get raises.  Secondly, taking away teachers collective bargaining rights isn't going to do one thing to improve public education in this country.

It isn't teachers who are clamoring for lax disciplinary standards in the classroom.  It's gutless administrators and the brainless parents who harass said administrators. 

If you want to reform education, ELIMINATE THE BUREAUCRACY, give highly effective teachers a chance to earn serious bonuses, and start upholding some standards of conduct for students and parents, along with educators.


   

145 I can't wait to hear from HeatherRadish and the other morons who attended the rally today.  Hope she made a poster out of the pic of the short bus from yesterday.

146
It's a human right to belong to a union, demand higher wages, and strike when the republicans try to take away our natural rights.  Or something.

147 This group looked at that "increased participation" rationalization and found no correlation

148

125 I searched the 'net for a statement from them to that effect and I could not find anything. Did you find a statement?

I was following some of their statements on NRO, The Hill, and some other choice sites. Campbell had an amendment that went further than Blackburn's and I'd have to search to see if it was offered. Flake is a member of Appropriations and he was far from happy with Rogers & co. Andrew Stiles and Rich Lowry wrote many of the behind-the-scenes stories on NRO. So, while they never said outright they would vote against it, it wouldn't surprise me because they were both so upset. I'll see what I can find.

149
Those teachers really need a good ass whipping.  If they were in New York, Pauli and the boys would give 'um a few lumps.

150 Typical stupid liberals.

Instead of wasting time passing out fake doctor notes, those doctors should be taking advantage of the millions of dollars in Xanax, Prozac, Lithium, medical marijuana, and Viagra business that are available in that crowd of union dipshits.

A doctor could set up a booth and retire wealthy in an afternoon.

Not a capitalist in the bunch.

151 See picture here. He's a fucking furry. Kill it with fire. Yiff in hell, David Wu.

152 Yea, Palin Steele is back!

It's been a while since the comments section had a persistent troll to kick around.  I know it drove everybody nuts, but it really seemed like the threads were missing something with all of them being banned.

153 127 The statistics on sanity are that one out of every four Americans is suffering from some form of mental illness. Think of your three best friends. If they are okay, then it's you. Jerry Seinfeld Posted by: jwb7605 at February 19, 2011 04:34 PM (Qxe/p) Just about anybody who has ever gone to engineering school will remember the first day of class Freshman year when the instructor tells you to "look at the person on your right" then "look at the person on your left" and then he says "in four years time neither of them will be where you are." He was right.

154 I don't recall anyone forcing anyone to become a teacher.

155

Basically, if you're a teacher, you're being told that you no longer have the ability to negotiate your working conditions (i.e. lunch time / prep. / mandatory PD, etc.). 

So?  If you don't like it, quit.  Or go to another district with better bennies.

First of all, even if you despise teachers,

Nope, I despise slavemaster unions and they should stop stealing $1000 per year from the teachers.

Secondly, taking away teachers collective bargaining rights isn't going to do one thing to improve public education in this country.

BTW, pre-collective bargaining: good education.  Post-collective bargaining: bad education.  Frankly, I think students should sue the NEA for the crap education they get stuck with.

It isn't teachers who are clamoring for lax disciplinary standards in the classroom. 

Nope, it's the lawyers.  And guess who's in charge of the unions.

Guess, you're still waiting for superman, aintcha?

156 #83 SAT Statistics are from 1999. Heh. Eliitist BS in a state "Enlightenment Rating". Scroll down down and click MAIN PAGE. Copy of link: http://bit.ly/h0MzZK

157 WI average teacher salary: $46,390

ME average teacher salary: 45,333.33.

SC average teacher salary with 5 years experience: $40,081

Correlation to SAT rankings???

None

158 First of all, even if you despise teachers, you should at least respect their right to try to get raises.

Last I'd heard in this kerfluffle, Wisconsin teachers were getting twice the per capita income of residents in the state.

You care to tell me another one?

159 Hey, teachers:

You pass out crayons and construction paper.

You aren't mining coal a mile underground or riveting high steel, you mewling cocksuckers.

And you are failing at your job.


If you don't like it go wash cars or dig ditches.

160 That stuff is for making babies. It's not a beverage you want to live on.
Posted by: sifty at February 19, 2011 04:20 PM (vBOo0)

I beg to differ.

161 I don't think I said that collective bargaining was a "human right."

It, is, however an economic right that has been recognized in the United States for 60-70 years. 

I think, to be consistent, the Wisconsin legislature should have the balls to simply outlaw unions.  It would be much fairer than targeting one particular profession.

162 More data

The per capita personal income was $35,239 in 2008

163

It, is, however an economic right that has been recognized in the United States for 60-70 years. 

You keep using that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means.

164 We are only starting on one profession. Once the sweet taste of teacher-tears has worn off our tongue, we'll start on the SEIU.

Then we'll go after those drugged-out arrogant dicks in Hollywood.

165 Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at February 19, 2011 04:52 PM (uehxp)

Their gravy train is coming to an end, that is why they are angry. Government workers are near immune from the ups and downs of an Economy and they don't like that they are going to have to eat a shit sandwich like everyone else.

Fucking entitlement bastards.

166 I think, to be consistent, the Wisconsin legislature should have the balls to simply outlaw unions.

Can't be done without repeal of all the federal labor laws (thank you commie FDR). If it could be done they would have already been outlawed in SC and most of the South.

And one thing should always be kept in mind about the unions. They are not about helping the rank and file. They are about helping the unions and their bosses.

167 It isn't teachers who are clamoring for lax disciplinary standards in the classroom.  It's gutless administrators and the brainless parents who harass said administrators. 

I guess those "brainless" parents in Madison didn't have the right to know their kids were being bused to the libtard teachers' rally, either.

Every.Single.Thing you mentioned in your post is why our kid went to private school in middle and high school years.

And private school teachers on average are paid less than those on the public dole.  They are willing to make less with fewer benefits to enable their own kids to attend the school, and deal with almost zero crap from the students.  Little Billy keeps disrupting the class?  He's gone.  And so is his parent's tuition money.

168 What is it about THERE IS NO MONEY FOR YOUR PERKS that they don't understand??

169

I think, to be consistent, the Wisconsin legislature should have the balls to simply outlaw unions. 

You can't outlaw unions -- First Amendment.  You can forbid strikes and collective bargaining by public employees, and you can stop giving unions unfair advantages in the private sector, but you cant prevent peacable assembly.

You get a union or you get to be a government employee.  You don't get both.  Want to be a union teacher? Push for vouchers.

170 One other fact for you stikity; it was illegal for government workers to belong to a union until JFK came along. So no, not only has it never been a "right", it wasn't even a law until the 60s.

171 As long as teachers unions oppose merit pay and insist on seniority as the basis for compensation, they pose one of if not the largest obstacle to improving the U.S. educational system.

While our higher education system certainly has its problems, it is somehow able to get by, and obtain a much better reputation worldwide, without professors being unionized.

172 Unions are plantations set up by lawyers.

173 Are you crazy?  Are you high?  Or just an ordinary guy?

174 Aren't the teachers in WI state employees? Can't the governor fire State employees? Isn't a "sick-out" otherwise known as an "illegal wild-cat strike". Isn't it also lying to your employer? Isn't that grounds for firing?

Why are these bums still employed?

175

Hell, most catholic and private school teachers work there for less money just because they don't have to put up with the bullshit. Many of them are refugees from the public school system. AND when it's parents night at a private or catholic school, guess who shows up? Every single parent and usually BOTH.

I know whose fault it is that there are disciplinary problems--the left--when they decided to push single motherhood as normal, even good the kids went to hell.

176 Wu can go here to get a doctors note.

177
We TOTALLY support the Wisconsin teachers!

Phuck you, you reichwing redneck assholes!!!

178 Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 19, 2011 05:03 PM (yfJ6g)

I note that the RINO from NC was not included in that "protest" vote.

179 And one thing should always be kept in mind about the unions. They are not about helping the rank and file. They are about helping the unions and their bosses.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2011 04:57 PM (M9Ie6)

Yep, when it comes to concessions, the unions are perfectly happy to let your ass get fired to keep the dues flowing.

Union bosses -- best case: lawyers, worst case: mobsters.  If you're in a union, take a good look at who's running the thing.  Chances are that most of them never did the work you do.

180 And one thing should always be kept in mind about the unions. They are not about helping the rank and file. They are about helping the unions and their bosses. Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2011 04:57 PM (M9Ie6) This. I was forced to join a union to hold a job I had years ago. Long story short: there were rumors that the company was an acquisition target, so when our contract expired the union went on strike. The big issue? "successors and assigneds" meaning that if there was an acquisition or merger the resulting company had to recognize the union. We stayed out on strike for nine months (during which time I went broke, fuck you very much union) while they haggled over that. Once that issue was settled EVERYTHING else: wages, seniority, health care, pension, vacation, you name it was settled in TWO DAYS. So the union bastards led their members into financial ruin just to insure their own cushy positions. SPIT!

181 While our higher education system certainly has its problems, it is somehow able to get by, and obtain a much better reputation worldwide, without professors being unionized. -- I used to be in a union at Western Michigan. The union even picketed and was prepping for a strike when the contract ran out in Sept 08 (about 2 weeks before the bubble burst). I ran afoul of the union powers that be, and those in my department when confronted about "my part" in joining them in the strike (if it had happened). I informed them they should sit and spin, and told them if they do walk out to cut the phone lines to my office because they don't want me answering questions.

182 My Congressman,

sex offender and nut case. Thanks Oregon First District voters you clueless assholes.

183 Why are these bums still employed? 

Exactly.  If those bastards aren't back in their classrooms next week, fire their asses.  Do what Reagan did with the air traffic controllers. 

From what I've seen and heard at the WI rally, many of the teachers look like un-washed hippies.  Loved the one who got in the Fox reporter's face yesterday, literally screaming, Fox lies!!11!!  Fox lies!11!!!  You could practically feel the spittle flying off his lips.

184 Writers, Directors, Producers, and IATSE are gonna fuck us all again in a couple years when Netflix runs a bunch of the assholes out here in SoCal out of business.

Netflix may be the meteor that finally kills Hollywood.

I love it.

185 171 What is it about THERE IS NO MONEY FOR YOUR PERKS that they don't understand??

Regardless of their understanding, they don't care.  They want their perks now, to hell with reality or budget consequences.

186 So the union bastards led their members into financial ruin just to insure their own cushy positions.

I read a paper years ago that had studied strikes. It found that no strike in history had ever succeeded in making up the lost wages due to the strike even if you considered any raises gained for the rest of the working life of the employees.

187 Amish Dude:

"If you don't like it, quit."

1. Yes, I would certainly quit if my district made my working conditions unbearable.  Fortunately, I work in a small district and we bargain collaboratively.  Because we make decisions on a LOCAL LEVEL, we are able to discuss issues related to working conditions reasonably and intelligently. 

"I don't despise teachers; I despise their slavemaster unions..."

2.  I'm going to call bullshit on that one.  If you ONLY had a problem with the unions, you'd be okay simply calling for Wisconsin to become a "right to work" state.  This would allow any teacher to opt out of union membership.  That's not what the governor/legislature are calling for.  They're trying to effectively end the teachers' ability to earn raises.  Explain to me how that is a conservative ideal.  I would think that a conservative would want to create a system that frees teachers from state and union control and allows highly effective teachers to thrive.

"BTW, pre-collective bargaining: good education.  Post-collective bargaining: bad education.  Frankly, I think students should sue the NEA for the crap education they get stuck with."

3. Wow.  Really?  Of course you have evidence to support that?  Talk about an oversimplification.  YES, when teachers' unions protect horrible teachers, they are doing a disservice to education.  However, this is not the primary factor driving the decline in public education. 

Teachers are NOT supermen.  They never have been and they never will be.  A great teacher can inspire many, but overall, teacher-level factors make up about 1/3rd of the total equation.  School, student, and environmental factors make up the rest. 

"Nope, it's the lawyers.  And guess who's in charge of the unions."

4.  Now, that comment is just stupid.  So, because lawyers lead unions, it's the fault of teachers that disciplinary standards are falling.  That's airtight logic.

Listen, pal.  I am a very conservative person.  I am a traditionalist when it comes to education.  I'm not trying to make an argument that the left isn't at fault for our educational decline.  I'm not arguing that public sector unions are the greatest thing since sliced bread. 

I'm simply saying that the Wisconsin bill is much more anti-teacher than it is just anti-union. 

P.S.  Drop the condescending sarcasm from your posts.  You're not smart enough to pull it off. 

188 Strikes and walk-outs make perfect sense when you consider that communists never want anything to make a profit anyway.

Bosses just want their dacha in the mountains and their beet rations delivered to the door.

189 I can totally make my rent!

Well, not really.

Not this month.

Nor last..

(Sorry, Property Management Co. LLC!  I think you are good folks! I could have

Let me explain to

190

The big issue? "successors and assigneds" meaning that if there was an acquisition or merger the resulting company had to recognize the union.

This is what stickety is arguing.  The continuing existence of the union is important.  The actual wages and benefits -- meh, who cares?

191 Hell, most catholic and private school teachers work there for less money just because they don't have to put up with the bullshit. Many of them are refugees from the public school system. AND when it's parents night at a private or catholic school, guess who shows up? Every single parent and usually BOTH.

Yes.  And I worked my ass off every single year chairing fundraisers to provide equipment, etc.  Our kid was used to seeing me on a regular basis at his school, and his headmaster and other parents frequently met in our house to plan things.  As a matter of fact, most private schools want a guarantee that one or both parents will work on fundraisers, sporting events and such in order for your kid to be accepted. 

192 They're trying to effectively end the teachers' ability to earn raises.-stickety

Damn straight.
Most folks only get more money when they do BETTER at turning out the product they are personally accountable to produce.

Union teachers don't earn raises. They demand them. Even if they are demonstrably shitty and negligent at their job.

There are plenty of folks out of work who can pass out pencils and string.

193 Listen, pal.  I am a very conservative person......



....except when it hurts my feelings/cash flow.

194 Stickety-
I don't know the answer to this question so I'll ask you.  Isn't the governor asking for an end to raises above inflation for teachers as a group?  Doesn't that mean that if there were an end to seniority-based raises, and they were made on the basis of merit, then individual teachers could get raises?  This is the thing that, more than any other, sticks in my craw.  My kids have had terrible teachers, and yet those people never paid a price for their incompetence. 

195 182 I note that the RINO from NC was not included in that "protest" vote.   I know absolutely knowing about Rep. Jones except he is supposedly a member of both the Liberty and Tea Party Caucuses. Well, that's confusing-- even Ron Paul voted yes.

196 P.S.  Drop the condescending sarcasm from your posts.  You're not smart enough to pull it off.

Don't be too hard on the Amish Dude, stickety; he may not get out much but he always knows what's best for you and for everybody else. 

197

"I don't despise teachers; I despise their slavemaster unions..."

2.  I'm going to call bullshit on that one. 

I'm a math professor myself.

If you ONLY had a problem with the unions, you'd be okay simply calling for Wisconsin to become a "right to work" state.  This would allow any teacher to opt out of union membership.  That's not what the governor/legislature are calling for.  They're trying to effectively end the teachers' ability to earn raises.

You keep using that word.  I don't think that it means what you think it means.

Explain to me how that is a conservative ideal.

You earn it by doing work that people want, in voluntary exchange for their money.

I would think that a conservative would want to create a system that frees teachers from state and union control and allows highly effective teachers to thrive.

Yep.  Sounds good.  Keep the unions out and let districts compete for quality teachers.

YES, when teachers' unions protect horrible teachers, they are doing a disservice to education.  However, this is not the primary factor driving the decline in public education. 

Prove it.  Competition works in every other sphere.

Teachers are NOT supermen.

Maybe you're not.  But I guess you didn't get my reference to the film "Waiting for Superman."

4.  Now, that comment is just stupid.  So, because lawyers lead unions, it's the fault of teachers that disciplinary standards are falling.  That's airtight logic.

You keep trying to make this an attack on teachers.  Frankly, we're used to this kind of Alinsky-on-the-cheap.  I say that you union-humpers hate children, in exchange -- not for salary and benefits -- but for the almighty union.

If you actually read this blog, you would know that I loathe our lawyer overlords and believe that lawyers are the source of almost everything that is wrong with this country.

Besides, my favorite movie is Norma Rae -- her whole industry no longer exists in this country.  Thanks unions!

I'm simply saying that the Wisconsin bill is much more anti-teacher than it is just anti-union. 

Notice who is missing from that sentence: The students.

They don't matter, do they?

P.S.  Drop the condescending sarcasm from your posts.  You're not smart enough to pull it off. 

I'm a math professor myself.  I'm betting you aren't.

198 Yes.  And I worked my ass off every single year chairing fundraisers to provide equipment, etc.  Our kid was used to seeing me on a regular basis at his school, and his headmaster and other parents frequently met in our house to plan things.  As a matter of fact, most private schools want a guarantee that one or both parents will work on fundraisers, sporting events and such in order for your kid to be accepted. 

Been there and still doing it. We have a required volunteer quota. I wish it carried year to year because I'm about 30 years ahead.

199 So, stickety, what's the answer?

200 From what I've seen and heard at the WI rally, many of the teachers look like un-washed hippies.  Loved the one who got in the Fox reporter's face yesterday, literally screaming, Fox lies!!11!!  Fox lies!11!!!  You could practically feel the spittle flying off his lips.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2011 05:08 PM (UOM4

From a local radio station:

Protesters spent the night on the floor of the Capitol. A friend of mine said the entire place smelled when she walked in on Friday morning. There was garbage everywhere. This is one of the most beautiful Capitol buildings in the country. The mob had no respect for the place, for what happens there, or for the citizens whose freedoms it represents.

http://tinyurl.com/4cy7ogo

201

Article on WI situation from the WI-State Journal

The union leaders are offering concessions and asking Gov. Walker to take them. It also has more specific info about the plan and specific legislators.

202

I'm not sure what the laws are on the note, but I'm pretty sure that they could reject the note as fraud if the teacher didn't have an appointment (complete with either a co-pay or a request to the insurance company for payment).

 

They were dating notes in advance--for next week when teachers are still out.  Utterly disgusting.

203 I know absolutely knowing about Rep. Jones except he is supposedly a member of both the Liberty and Tea Party Caucuses.

His ACU ratings for the last two years are 65/83. Is hard to imagine a Tea Party oriented conservative with ratings like that.

That being said, I noted that his district had been traditionally a Dem district when he took it in. So perhaps he being in a Dem gerrymandered district has to vote more often with the Dems.

204

Protesters spent the night on the floor of the Capitol. A friend of mine said the entire place smelled when she walked in on Friday morning. There was garbage everywhere. This is one of the most beautiful Capitol buildings in the country. The mob had no respect for the place, for what happens there, or for the citizens whose freedoms it represents.

 

So illegally striking teachers (it's illegal to strike in WI) bunking down for the night in the Capitol Building is A-OK (which is more like trespassing after visiting hours), but Republican representatives sleeping in their own offices in D.C. is illegal?  WTF!!!111111!!

205

The union leaders are offering concessions and asking Gov. Walker to take them. It also has more specific info about the plan and specific legislators.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 19, 2011 05:32 PM (yfJ6g)

They bet half their chips on the flop and now they check when they see the river.

We know what their hand looks like now.

206 That being said, I noted that his district had been traditionally a Dem district when he took it in. So perhaps he being in a Dem gerrymandered district has to vote more often with the Dems.

Posted by: Vic at February 19, 2011 05:34 PM (M9Ie6)

Time to deal with him with redistricting.  Either give him a Dem district or set him adrift.

207 Gee.  Where are the Reichstag Media talking all about the Wisconsin protesters with all their violence inducing signs?  The gov as Hitler?  The gov with a target on his face?  I could go on and on.  But it is ignored now, even by Fox News.  The threats on his life?  Crickets.

208 Hous bin Pharteen-
Come to AOSHQ for the red meat.  Stay for the socks.

209 Objectivity does not exist. I'm a conservative AND a teacher. I am educated enough to know that when a group of 20,000+, ANY group that size, gathers there will be some unfortunate acts by a few. To say that "those people" don't respect the Capitol building or what it stands for is ignorant. Garbage stacks up, shoulder to shoulder crowds make moving difficult, if not impossible.
When the Tea Party people arrive they will leave the grounds and building spit shine clean? They won't make inflamatiory comments, curse, overstep the bounds of decency? Seriously, how myopic are some of you people.
I think that if you compare this protest to others it is rather calm, cool, and collected.

Tami, this is a comment from the article you just linked.  "I'm a conservative AND a teacher."  Yeah, and I'm a Victoria Secret model.

210 They bet half their chips on the flop and now they check when they see the river. Help a non-poker playing Moron, please.

211 But it is ignored now, even by Fox News--

Sadly, this statement has lost most, if not all, of its meaning this year. Fox has joined the MFM clique.
I guess those MFM cocktail party invitations are worth it

212 This is what stickety is arguing. The continuing existence of the union is important. The actual wages and benefits -- meh, who cares? Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 05:14 PM (BvBKY) Well then, in the immortal words of LtCol Frank Slade, US Army (Ret) FUCK HIM TOO!

213 I'm simply saying that the Wisconsin bill is much more anti-teacher than it is just anti-union.

Stickety-All I can say is that they earned that animus.  Lie down with dogs and all that.

214 I'm simply saying that the Wisconsin bill is much more anti-teacher than it is just anti-union.

If you can read this, thank a teacher.
If you can't, blame your parents.

215 Gateway Pundit has some amazing/disturbing pics up from the rally. 

Would you want any of those loons teaching your kids?  Hell, I wouldn't let one of them in my house to change the cat litter.

216 Stickety appears to have gone offline.  He may be in Chicago.

217 Tami, this is a comment from the article you just linked.  "I'm a conservative AND a teacher."  Yeah, and I'm a Victoria Secret model.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2011 05:40 PM (UOM4

*snort*

Breitbart has a live stream for those that can stomach it.

http://tinyurl.com/4nheyq3

218 Everybody wang dong tonite, everybody wang dong tonite!

Just the girls!  Woo!

219 One good thing about the new American Balkans, the weather is nicer than the old Balkans and we speak most of the languages already.

220 Stickety appears to have gone offline. He may be in Chicago. Hey, they don't serve these free nachos all night.

221

213 Objectivity does not exist. I'm a conservative AND a teacher. I am educated enough to know that when a group of 20,000+, ANY group that size, gathers there will be some unfortunate acts by a few. To say that "those people" don't respect the Capitol building or what it stands for is ignorant. Garbage stacks up, shoulder to shoulder crowds make moving difficult, if not impossible.
When the Tea Party people arrive they will leave the grounds and building spit shine clean? They won't make inflamatiory comments, curse, overstep the bounds of decency? Seriously, how myopic are some of you people.
I think that if you compare this protest to others it is rather calm, cool, and collected.

I love this one.  Note the superiority in the second sentence.  Look, I know how educated you probably are, "conservative" teacher.  And yes, there will be unfortunate acts by a few.  That didn't stop the media from highlighting LaRouchies on the fringe of Tea Party meetings, but I guess we start playing fair from now on, eh?

Even so, the writer is wrong.  Tea Parties are very clean.  Of course, anybody can be an isolated jerk, but there's a zeitgeist in the group that lends itself to having each person clean up after themselves and getting others to do it too.  The liberal protest crowd just expects someone else to do it for them.

222

If you can read this, thank a teacher.

I hate that schmeer.

I started reading at three.

223 Fox is showing the doctors handing out "sick" notes to the loons.

Take their damned medical licenses away. 

224 I wonder if the people of the state of Wisconsin will do the same for their MIA elected officials and teachers?

Baby steps, my son, baby steps.

225 220 Stickety appears to have gone offline.  He may be in Chicago.

Posted by: pep at February 19, 2011 05:44 PM (P18+/)

I was shocked to get any response at all.  I thought it was a hit-and-run poster.  I'm thinking it was a genuine union member who is used to trolling liberal blogs and local newspaper comment sections. 

226 7 Fox is showing the doctors handing out "sick" notes to the loons... Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2011 05:48 PM (UOM4 Are any of them signed "Horshack's mother's doctor"?

227

I'm a math professor myself.

Posted by: AmishDude

My daughter is taking trig so I ask her "whats a radian?". She said the common french saying "I give up". Yet, she has an "A" average.  God knows we need good math teachers, and a lot of them. Hang in there AmishDude.

228 Are any of them signed "Horshack's mother's doctor"?

Ahem.

229 I  went to catholic grade school.  We moved from the area, so I tried Jr High at a public school district.  The difference was great.  So great I then went to the local catholic high school.  It was a great improvement.  I then attended a Big 10 university.  You know, the one's with highly paid proffs who come to class 1 day a week when grad students teach the other days. 

230 I thought it was a hit-and-run poster.

Could be, but I thought I had seen that sock before.  His heart seemed to be in the right place, but I think he was having a severe case of cognitive dissonance. 

231 I hate that schmeer.

I want a bumper sticker that adds the second sentence.

I have several relatives (teachers) who just won't admit that if you want to take credit for success, you own the failures.  To quote St. Paul,  that's just the fucking way it is.

232 209 They bet half their chips on the flop and now they check when they see the river.

We know what their hand looks like now.

 

Frankly, I don't think he should give them anything. They contribute hardly anything RE pensions compared to the average Wisconite and the governor isn't asking much. But Obama had to start meddling and further encourage these goons. I have no sympathy for them after their behavior this past week.

233 Crap!

234 I have no sympathy for them after their behavior this past week.

I suspect you aren't alone, by many millions. Perhaps a beer summit would smooth over O's latest screwing of the pooch.

235 The guys get shirts!!!

236 I imagine a job where I put in six-seven hours hours out of the day nine months out of the year. Not a minute before the bell, not a minute after the bell do I stay at said job. I imagine where I'm could possible not even be  qualified for the position but I can't get fired. Hell, I most likely get a raise the next year. I get to indoctrinate young minds day in and day out and  I'm never held accountable for my actions, inaction, or words of the children that I fail. Despite my unique laziness and overall incompetence, I'm overpaid and have the best benefits of anyone in my neighborhood.

But yet I bitch. About nothing. And about everything.

I am....a teacher.

237 But Obama had to start meddling and further encourage these goons. I have no sympathy for them after their behavior this past week.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 19, 2011 05:53 PM (yfJ6g) 

This is another Cambridge "police acted stupidly" moment for Barky.  Always sticking his upturned nose where it shouldn't be. 

238 Amish Dude:

I'm glad that you're a math professor.  Obviously, you've learned logic at some point.

Unfortunately, your previous post was NOT logical or rational.  You completely ventured off point and made two phony, unsupported arguments.

Reading your second post, I see you doubled down on the condescension.

1. YES, I did see "Waiting for Superman,"  and YES, I did get the reference.  I was trying to directly refute that argument when I made my comments about student level, teacher level, and environmental level factors.

That documentary was a good one, but it implied that our educational problems could be solved if we just put a "superman" in every classroom.  That is absolute nonsense.  Teaching is a hard job, and NO, I'm not a "superman."  I work my tail off, but I'm not a miracle worker. 

In my experience, teachers who consider themselves "supermen" often use young people as an avenue to build their egos.  They're less concerned with how effective they are at preparing students for higher education than in what type of ego-building feedback they can get from playing the "savior" role.

I try my best to be a highly effective teacher.  I would LOVE it if my school had some sort of merit pay system that provided me with financial rewards for improving student achievement. 

2.  "You keep trying to make this an attack on teachers.  Frankly, we're used to this kind of Alinsky-on-the-cheap.  I say that you union-humpers hate children, in exchange -- not for salary and benefits -- but for the almighty union."

THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT of my comment.  I said quite clearly that I thought this bill was anti-teacher, not just anti-union.  I don't know how much more precise I need to be.  I thought I made it pretty clear that I wasn't reflexively pro-union; I was trying to make the point that the teachers should have the same collective bargaining rights afforded every other worker in Wisconsin.

Do you see any irony in accusing me of making an "Alinsky-on-the-cheap" argument - and then following it up by referring to me as a "union-humper" who "hates children"?

Honestly, if you read what I wrote, I think you can see that I was expressing an honest, sincere opinion.  I also believe that I made reasonable arguments. 

Anyway, no more time for arguing.  No hard feelings.  I have children of my own I need to attend to.

Here's a good link if you want to check it out.  It summarizes some of the research I was loosely referring to.

http://www.learningandteaching.info/teaching/what_works.htm


 

239 Objectivity does not exist. Neither does cognition, in his mind.

240 It will be a good day in America when the Air Force has all the bombers it needs and the Teachers' Union has to hold a bake sale for cab fare to come kiss my ass.

241 I was trying to make the point that the teachers should have the same collective bargaining rights afforded every other worker in Wisconsin. Um, no.

242 Oh and yes I generalized. There are exceptions of course but they're def. not the majority.

Oh and I'm also speaking from the perspective of my family members - several of which are teachers. Mostly in private schools but a couple in public schools that have seen first hand the destruction public school teachers and their unions bring.

It's interesting - there has been all this buzz in the news as of late about teen "bullying" (as if this is new).

The biggest bullies in the schools are the teachers led by the nose of the NEA and other local unions.

243 My daughter is taking trig so I ask her "whats a radian?". She said the common french saying "I give up". Yet, she has an "A" average.  God knows we need good math teachers, and a lot of them. Hang in there AmishDude.

Posted by: sTevo at February 19, 2011 05:52 PM (VMcEw)

Oh, I never said I was good.  Honestly, I could never do what math teachers do. Some of my job is weeding. I teach engineering calculus and the goal is to make sure that students who cannot do the work aren't wasting their time with an engineering curriculum that they'll ultimately flunk out of.

I see my objective as to challenge them, but if they aren't able to learn, I really don't have to keep going.  Jr. High math teachers have it the worst, students haven't really been tracked well yet.

In answer to your question: A radian is about 57.3 degrees (exactly 180/pi degrees).

Radians are to degrees what feet are to meters.  It's another way of measuring the same thing.  Degrees are kind of arbitrary but radians have a more coherent mathematical meaning in that if the radius of the pizza is 1 foot, then if you take an arc measuring 1 foot as the crust of your pizza slice, the angle of the piece that's formed will be 1 radian. 

244 I was trying to make the point that the teachers should have the same collective bargaining rights afforded every other worker in Wisconsin. Que?

245 If you can read this, thank a teacher. my parents.

246 But Obama had to start meddling and further encourage these goons.

That's the warm and fuzzy part, isn't it?  That Our President has a little private, unaccountable army of rabble-rousers and thugs to dispatch as he sees fit.

We need a diagram of the Shadow Government.  OfA, the Czars, etc.

247 Collective bargaining?

248 214 They bet half their chips on the flop and now they check when they see the river.

Help a non-poker playing Moron, please.

Posted by: fluffy at February 19, 2011 05:40 PM (4Kl5M)

They risked a lot, pretending that they had a great hand, but as more cards were shown, they decided not to risk any more.  If you are bluffing (or have what might be a good hand but you don't end up getting the card you need) then doing what I described would be a pretty good indicator.

249 Maybe the unions will do for Wisconsin what they did for Detroit.

250 Too many people have learned to read and write by candlelight for the budget bullshit from the teachers' union to hold water.

The kids don't need laptops and salad bars.

They need two stable sober parents and a teacher who gives a shit.

251 They risked a lot, pretending that they had a great hand, but as more cards were shown, they decided not to risk any more. Thanks, AD. What specifically does when they see the river. mean?

252
If you can read this (in English), thank a teacher. my parents the United States Armed Forces

253 Our President has a little private, unaccountable army of rabble-rousers and thugs to dispatch as he sees fit.

On the plus side, Tim Kaine political future in VA is as dead as a doornail now because of his role in this.   If the Dems run him for Webb's seat, questions will be asked.  Sides will be taken.  Titans will clash.

254 My late dad taught school for a few years after retiring from the Air Force.  He hated it, primarily because of the utter lack of discipline he encountered in the urban middle school where he taught.  A "student" slammed my dad against a locker one day when Daddy told him to quit loitering and get to class.  Oh, and he called my dad a "damned cracker".....Daddy dragged his sorry ass to the principal's office, and the young bastard was given a sound "scolding" and sent on his way. 

Imagine spending 22 years as a test pilot and officer, and dealing with that kind of crap.

255 I'f you kan read dis fank a teecher.

256 In high school teachers did little more then take attendance.

257 You're a victim.  Join us, and together, we'll victimize the non-collectivists.

258 Imagine spending 22 years as a test pilot and officer, and dealing with that kind of crap. Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2011 06:08 PM (UOM4 And to top it all off, if your dad was like any other retired military officer I've ever met, what really chafed him most about the whole situation was the fact that that young man's life was going to be wasted and nobody in the school's administration gave a damn or was willing to do anything about it.

259 AD is right.  There are some great public school teachers out there who are grossly undercompensated for the work they do.  The problem is that parents remember the duds and that the union defended them.  Teachers who complain about what is happening now have a choice to make.  Defend the indefensible, or get on board with common sense changes, starting with the ability to get rid of bad performers.  Do that, and then we'll have something to talk about. 

260 And to top it all off, if your dad was like any other retired military officer I've ever met, what really chafed him most about the whole situation was the fact that that young man's life was going to be wasted and nobody in the school's administration gave a damn or was willing to do anything about it.

Posted by: Nighthawk at February 19, 2011 06:13 PM (3kefp) 

Yes.  He also volunteered to work with young inner-city kids.  He was a very kind, sweet man (and had a wicked sense of humor!).

261 Firefox users, got a question:  How do you change the preferences on a page so that you can reveal things.  When I'm at Gmail, I can no longer see videos.

262 My senior year civics and economics teacher was blind and still taught every year for 25 or so years. I admire him for that, but he was a raving loon when it came to politics. He was convinced that the Berlin Wall coming down was just a precursor to communism rising in America within a year or two because the Soviets would all come here.

He was only off about 20 years or so.

He told my class in 1990 that we would see the end of the United States in our lifetime so he really didn't feel it was too important to get too specific on the details of the civics or economics part. So he just didn't teach us shit.

And despite complaints he just kept right on non-teaching for another few years until retiring.

263 Yes. He also volunteered to work with young inner-city kids. He was a very kind, sweet man (and had a wicked sense of humor!). Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2011 06:15 PM (UOM4 God bless him!

264 There are some great public school teachers out there who are grossly undercompensated for the work they do.

Sure. I liken it to the "moderate" Muzzies though. We hear they exist but we hardly hear or see from them.

265 I learned how to use a computer with help from no one. Reading is so much easier once you have the basics. Wisconsin should move to privatize the schools. Can you imagine what Fedex University could do if properly motivated?

266 Hey, if California can vote a corpse into office, I see no reason why these guys can't support a wackadoo who wants to yiff Michelle (don't tell him she's not wearing a costume.)...

267 Posted by: Captain Hate at February 19, 2011 03:35 PM (eh+ki)
"dear-in-the-headlights"==pure gold I tell you pure gold

268 270 They are hiding behind lesbians who aren't man hating prickly  legged Ralph Cramden looking cows.

269 With the money wasted on the NEA, Porkulus and TARP, Wal-Mart could feed, clothe, and educate every man, woman, and child in America and have a better success rate and make a profit at the same time.

270 I've got a huge bitch about Comcast.  After 3/8/11, all of our TVs will have to have a new, digital box or they will only get channels 1-17.  They will give us two for no charge (our bedroom and kitchen...the one in the den of course already has one), and any others are $2/month each.  My husband refuses to get other boxes, so he won't be able to watch his favorite sports channels in his home office, and the guest room, and D'oh Boy's room won't have them.  Pisses me off.

I hate Comcast, and their internet service sucks.

271 Hey, if California can vote a corpse into office, I beg your pardon but Jerry Brown is not a corpse. He just plays on on TV. What precisely he is, science has been unable to identify.

272 Sure. I liken it to the "moderate" Muzzies though. We hear they exist but we hardly hear or see from them.

I don't have to imagine them.  Most of us parents have had some teachers like this, so we know from personal experience.  My kids had some teachers and principals whose salaries I would have doubled.  On the other hand, the involved parents know who the duds are as well, and pull every string to avoid them.  If the parents know, and the kids know (which they do), then there is no excuse for the administrators not knowing.  Of course they do know, they just don't do anything about it, usually because they can't due to union rules.

273 After a certain point, I believe you have enough cable boxes.

274 There are some great public school teachers out there who are grossly undercompensated for the work they do.

I'll vouch for the teachers in my local school and district.  But we have the results to back that up.

275

An insane Democrat politician.........yawn...................

276 "226 If you can read this, thank a teacher. I hate that schmeer. I started reading at three." Right there with ya. I was reading before I even got to kindergarten, thanks to the neighbor's comic books. Never occurred to me I shouldn't be reading books. When I got to school it was, "What is this Dick and Jane shit?" and I'd go get Ernie Pyle and science fiction out of the school library.

277 If these miserable fucks didn't teach, what else could they do?

278 279 After a certain point, I believe you have enough cable boxes.

Posted by: Barry Bama-Lenin at February 19, 2011 06:23 PM (vBOo0)

lulz

279 Figured how to use that DVR thing. Much easier.

280 Pretty sure a teacher wrote the fortune cookie I just opened with my Chinese -

You will receive a fortune (cookie).

That's a bullshit lazy fortune!

And yes, I'm done with the 'teachers suck' schtick.

281 @283
One of my daughters had a teacher who was a former partner in a law firm.  I can imagine the conversation with his wife when he decided to make that career change. 

Thanks, Mr. Weiner. 

282 "I'm simply saying that the Wisconsin bill is much more anti-teacher than it is just anti-union. " Stickety, when I left high school a student graduated with a working 25,000 word vocabulary. Today it's less than 10,000 words. If that number was different I would give a damn about being mean to teachers.

283 I had some fantastic high school teachers. Mr Carpenter used to loan out his custom van during the school day to students who wanted to get busy with their girlfriends or to those who wanted to get stoned. Good times.... good times.

284 Manuscript of Former Palin Aide's Tell-All Book Leaked
“I have no doubt Sarah's belief in God was real and passionate. Hers just wasn’t the same God I knew growing up, the one who preached the importance of love, honor, and charity,” Bailey wrote. “That I turned my back on these teachings and offered her blind allegiance is a cross I will forever bear.”

One of the co-authors of the book, Ken Morris, told Channel 2 the manuscript leaked was an “unauthorized draft.” Morris said the writing team’s intent was “to be 100 percent true,” but he said the whole book was subject to change.

100% true but subject to change?

285
Right there with ya. I was reading before I even got to kindergarten, thanks to the neighbor's comic books. Never occurred to me I shouldn't be reading books. When I got to school it was, "What is this Dick and Jane shit?" and I'd go get Ernie Pyle and science fiction out of the school library.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at February 19, 2011 06:25 PM (zZRWr)

Same here.  I taught my little sister to read when she was three.  We read comics, Nancy Drew, Mad Magazine (heh) whatever.  When we were stationed in Germany, we had no television for three years.  So we read, and read, and listened to Armed Forces Radio on Friday nights.

286

NRO has various updates on the situation in WI, including footage of various events. Latest:

Dem senators huddle, showdown looms

They want Gov. Walker to sit down with the union leaders.

287 I have a simple solution.  Raise the taxes of registered dems!  Ten the WI budget will get balanced!

288 I can imagine the conversation with his wife when he decided to make that career change.

Wife: "Thank God. Now maybe you'll be home some and you'll be nicer to me when you are."

289 Just tuning in. #'s 2 and 4:"Q4 Hedge Fund Hotel Update: Apple Is Now Held By A Record 195 Hedge Funds" That means the Fed is forced to keep Apple up. It's going to be a hell of a crash.

290 S'up y'all?  Anything good happen while I was out acting like I have a life?

291 276 I've got a huge bitch about Comcast.  After 3/8/11, all of our TVs will have to have a new, digital box or they will only get channels 1-17.  They will give us two for no charge (our bedroom and kitchen...the one in the den of course already has one), and any others are $2/month each.  My husband refuses to get other boxes, so he won't be able to watch his favorite sports channels in his home office, and the guest room, and D'oh Boy's room won't have them.  Pisses me off.

I hate Comcast, and their internet service sucks.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2011 06:22 PM (UOM4

We have Cablevision and they went to the 'must have' boxes last year.  I don't think you can get any channels without a box now. We don't get any free and each box is $6.70 (plus $.25 for each remote). 

292 Ahem, link.  for 290

293 #292 They want Gov. Walker to sit down with the union leaders.

No dice.  Maybe there would some room for compromise if the Dems had stuck around, but f them. 

Time to shake these rats known as union leaders off our necks. 

294

I'm glad that you're a math professor. Obviously, you've learned logic at some point.

Not formally. I had to pick it up on the fly. Thanks to our awful liberal arts education system, I had to spend too much time with the wussmanities and socialist sciences. (Damn, you breadth requirements!)

I got to see applications to grad school this year. The US students take 1, maybe 2 math courses per semester. Foreign students, it's almost only Math (or whatever their subject is) and English.

You completely ventured off point and made two phony, unsupported arguments.

Just call me James Joyce.

I hate the fact that I know that reference. (Damn you, breadth requirements!)

Reading your second post, I see you doubled down on the condescension.

It's what I do. I don't let anybody question my intellect who can't understand my dissertation and don't give much leeway to the two dozen who can, either.

I work my tail off, but I'm not a miracle worker.

No, you're a chump. If you work hard as a union teacher, you're a chump. Your colleagues think so.

I would LOVE it if my school had some sort of merit pay system that provided me with financial rewards for improving student achievement.

It's called the free market. Perhaps you've heard of it.

I said quite clearly that I thought this bill was anti-teacher, not just anti-union.

But your evidence that it was anti-teacher was that it was anti-union and therefore, ergo, consequently, ipso facto, cogito ergo sum is anti-teacher. And who cares about teachers? It's the students who matter.

I thought I made it pretty clear that I wasn't reflexively pro-union; I was trying to make the point that the teachers should have the same collective bargaining rights afforded every other worker in Wisconsin.

Do you see how the second contradicts the first? Besides, teachers are public employees. You get to have your government job or your union. But not both.

Do you see any irony in accusing me of making an "Alinsky-on-the-cheap" argument - and then following it up by referring to me as a "union-humper" who "hates children"?

Yep, that was the point. It was full of irony. Like rain on your wedding day. (Damn you, pop culture!)

Honestly, if you read what I wrote, I think you can see that I was expressing an honest, sincere opinion. I also believe that I made reasonable arguments.

Honestly, I think you were honest and, sincerely, I think you were sincere. However, sincerity does not preclude stupidity. I think you are honest, just wrong.

Anyway, no more time for arguing. No hard feelings. I have children of my own I need to attend to.

Good. Here's to hoping their parents can educate them, at least.

Here's a good link if you want to check it out. It summarizes some of the research I was loosely referring to.

http://www.learningandteaching.info/teaching/what_works.htm

Ah, social science.  Full of charts and graphs, signifying nothing...

...if I may paraphrase the Bard. (Damn you, breadth requirements!)

295

Fuck the Unions.

296 Wu barely squeaked out a win last year. This info would of cost him the election. The local paper sat on this story and only released it now. Just like they sat on the Neil Goldschmidt story.Gotta protect their own.

297 AmishDude:

I can't balance my checkbook, but can I still get your newsletter?

298 Thank you for that description of a radian AmishDude. I should have said I was quizzing my daughter. I had hoped to give her a similar explanation as you did.

299

We have Cablevision and they went to the 'must have' boxes last year.  I don't think you can get any channels without a box now. We don't get any free and each box is $6.70 (plus $.25 for each remote). 

Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2011 06:35 PM (VuLos)

I hate that.  When my mother died last year, we put her brand new TV in D'oh Boy's room.  He's chatting with my husband right now about trying to get home on leave next month.  No TV in his room for him anymore.

He also lost his i-phone 4 at another camp where he was training, and has busted his less-than-one-year-old laptop, so he's using a gubmint one now. 

Sigh.

300 What specifically does when they see the river. mean?

It's a Texas Hold 'Em reference.  I think it'd be easier to look it up on Wikipedia than for me to try to explain.

301 AmishDude, I give you shit (mostly in jest)  but I love your posts. 

You may not realize and this will most likely make you physically ill, but when you bring out your argumentative side, well it's almost as if you're ...*gasp*.... a lawyer ; )

302

Fuck the Unions.

Ha.  I just said about the same thing on the new post.

303 It's a Texas Hold 'Em reference.

I want to hold 'em like they do in Texas please.

304

You may not realize and this will most likely make you physically ill, but when you bring out your argumentative side, well it's almost as if you're ...*gasp*.... a lawyer ; )

 

Bwhahahaha!  Them's fightin' words, Miss Lacey!  heh!

305

I hate that.  When my mother died last year, we put her brand new TV in D'oh Boy's room.  He's chatting with my husband right now about trying to get home on leave next month.  No TV in his room for him anymore.

He also lost his i-phone 4 at another camp where he was training, and has busted his less-than-one-year-old laptop, so he's using a gubmint one now. 

Sigh.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2011 06:42 PM (UOM4

Oh man....he's having some tech problems, huh?! 

If he does come home (*crossing fingers*), you could always move a box to his room temporarily.

306

What specifically does when they see the river. mean?

The river is the last 'unknown' (or 'draw card') revealed in Texas Hold'em.  Once it's exposed, you can't improve your hand, only your posture.

307

If he does come home (*crossing fingers*), you could always move a box to his room temporarily.

Posted by: Tami at February 19, 2011 06:50 PM (VuLos)

Yeah.  I have a recurring dream where I'm following him into combat, watching his back.  Lol.  He's always losing stuff. 

He's training for transport security.  Says he'll be going to Afghanistan probably this summer.  He was supposed to go in January (they told him last April) so who knows.

Let me know when/what I can send stuff to your boy!

308 1st 3 cards the flop. 4 card the turn. 5 card the river. Each player has 2 hole cards and can use any 3 of the 5 community cards to make the best hand.

309

Let me know when/what I can send stuff to your boy!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 19, 2011 06:54 PM (UOM4  

Will do.

You.are.the.best! 

310 314 Actually the best 5 cards of the 8 available.

311 298 Ahem, link.  for 290

Posted by: Sniff Test at February 19, 2011 06:35 PM (kr609)

Damn, that sounds like somebody who has real issues (with religion mostly, but there's probably something deeper) who is just projecting them on to Palin.  And cashing in on the process.

This was not an accidental leak.  They have all of the lib-loving talking points: Palin deserves everything she got, they mention Fox News, she's a hypocrite on her religion.

And the classic trope of a Republican tell-all book: We did all of these awful things, but we were never told to do all of these awful things.  Oh, we knew what she wanted, though.  And those horrible things:

"friendly blogs, ghost-written op eds, media opinion polls (that we often rigged), letters to editors, and carefully edited speeches"

Oh, no, not "carefully edited"!  Yeah, "rigged polls."  Everybody knows Republicans rig polls all the time.

Here's my thinking: They have to walk back most of this stuff as pathetic as it is.  They have no evidence for anything.  The only thing that sounds even mildly serious is the "rigged polls" which I suspect is hiring a polling company to poll on some leading questions.

So they launder this in the media, try to get them to talk about it and smear Palin in the process.  They want to make sure that it's "on the record" to be obliquely cited by lefty blogs but they never have to take (possibly legal) responsibility for it.

Oh, and look up the co-author on fec.gov.  You want a Ken or Kenneth Morris from CA listed as "self" or "writer" or some combination thereof.

The guy has given the max to all sorts of Dems, including Obama, Hilary and a PAC called ACTBLUE (which looooves Alan Grayson).  The "insider" on the other hand, gave a grand total of $225 to anybody.  In this case, the GOP in 2008.  Now, the FEC doesn't cover gubernatorial races, but you'd think he'd donate to a House or Senate candidate or, at least, McCain/Palin.

312 You may not realize and this will most likely make you physically ill, but when you bring out your argumentative side, well it's almost as if you're ...*gasp*.... a lawyer ; )

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 19, 2011 06:43 PM (sANrs)

You see, I know the evil that lurks in my soul and I wish to smash the institution that could give it power.

Seriously, I'm fine with lawyers, I oppose the lawyer-government complex.  The guy who closed my refi is doing what lawyers should do.  But when a law prof gets paid twice what a science or engineering prof gets paid and when 1/3rd of the House and half of the Senate are lawyers, we have screwed up priorities.

313 But when a law prof gets paid twice what a science or engineering prof gets paid and when 1/3rd of the House and half of the Senate are lawyers that became rich in Congress, we have screwed up priorities.

Posted by: AmishDude at February 19, 2011 07:14 PM (BvBKY)

FIFY

314 I live in his district.  He's  Medical school drop out turned sleeze ball  layer turned politician.  The few conservatives here in The People's Republic Of Oregon have known the men in white coats with butterfly nets should have put him in a rubber room years ago.  But in this blue state he keeps getting re-elected because of the magic "D" behind his illegal alien ass kissing name.  Fuck him.

315

Now I remember where I saw this guy! He offered an amendment last night and a majority of the Congress voted against it.

 

Amendment No.526—Rep. Wu (D-OR):  The amendment would prohibit funds made available by this Act to be used to implement, administer, or enforce section 3(e) of the Natural Gas Act.

316

Amendment No.526—Rep. Wu (D-OR):  The amendment would prohibit funds made available by this Act to be used to implement, administer, or enforce section 3(e) of the Natural Gas Act.

Ah, the flatulence amendment.

317 302 drw mentioned Neil Goldschmidt (D - dirtbag).  Read up on him if you want to understand how messed up Oregon was and continues to be.  He raped a 13 year old when he was mayor of Portland and continued the "affair" for months or years, depending on who is telling the story.  The woman, Elizabeth Lynn Dunham, recently died at the ripe old age of 49 after leading a truly sorry life.  This story was covered up for decades by Goldschmidt cronies who knew the gravy train would end if they helped to shorten his political career.

I'm link-impaired, but there are recent illuminating articles in the Oregonian, Willamette Week, and the Eugene Register-Guard.

Oh, and Wu sucks, too.  I'm ashamed to live in his district.

I keep kicking myself for moving back to Oregon after leaving years ago.  Can't wait to leave again when I retire.

318 Oh dear. Wonder what happened to him.
He was perfectly normal, considered one of the smart kids in school.
Interesting about the Tigger costume

319 The teacher's union in New York is hammering Mike Bloomberg with commercials about caring about the schools.  What they really want everyone to care about are their pensions.  But, NY had been pretty hard hit job wise.  If you weren't fired and thankful you found another job, your pay was cut and you are paying for all your benefits and no retirement unless you fund it, so they've had enough.

320 Amish Dude:

You're obviously a genius.  Your points are so cogent and so brilliant that it's difficult for me to argue - still, I'll make an effort:

1. I'm a chump. 

Brilliant GD point.  I am a chump.  That was a forcefully argued, well-reasoned, and well-supported.  I am clearly a chump because I somehow believed in my union overlords (or something to that effect, right).  I don't know how the heck you got that from any of my posts, but it's fricking brilliant.

2.  I was clearly wrong to suggest that teachers have the right to organize, just like every other worker in the United States.  Clearly, they do not.  The fact that the Wisconsin legislature did NOT require policeman, state workers, or firefighters to give up their collective bargaining rights is off point. 

3.  You do realize that the research that Hattie and Marzano have produced is fully SUPPORTIVE of traditonal, "back-to-basics" education:  the kind that conservatives (like me) have fought for for our entire career.  Basically, when you look at meta-analysis, you see that the most effective teaching techniques involve DIRECT INSTRUCTION (clearly explaining objectives, explanation, feedback, questioning, etc.) and an organized curriculum.

What I was linking to wasn't worthless "social science."  It was actually confirmation of a traditionalist view of education.  You know, the kind of education that our private schools provide.

Here's the thing:  I'm probably the most conservative guy you'll ever meet - and I'm a teacher.  I know how the educational system work, and I understand its flaws.  I wish it was as simple as getting rid of evil teachers' unions, but IT'S NOT. 

I hate the fact that my union blocks efforts to implement merit pay.   However, I love the fact that my union membership allows me to argue vehemently against all of the following (each and every one of these things has been foisted upon me in the past few years) without fear of retribution:

1. Elimination of all traditional curriculum (i.e. Shakespeare, the Greeks, novel studies, etc.)
2. Elimination of any and all homework - (my administrators argued that all homework should be work 0% of a student's final grade)
3. Elimination of all mechanical / grammar instruction (I was specifically told by my lead administrator that I should not teach grammar because students dislike it and it's not fun.)

I guess it's pretty simple.  No matter how personally conservative I might be, it's impossible for me to build up a real "hate" toward teachers because I am one, and I work with some great ones every day.   When it comes down to it, impressing guys like you is very low on my list of my priorities.   Whether or not you think I'm a lazy union thug or not is rather incidental.  In the end, I know exactly who I am and what I stand for, and I believe that my actions and effort speak for me.

Anyway, it's all rather irrelevant.  When the country goes bankrupt,  I guess you can blame obscene, tit-sucking , union-slug bastards like me.  I'm sure it'll make you feel better, but I'm not so sure that it'll solve anything

Sincerely,

Guy who makes $60,000 (in year 15) who is apparently bankrupting every state in America

P.S.   I certainly hope that you're working for a PRIVATE institution - if you're sucking off the public tit, I'm sure you're draining a hell of a lot more milk than I am.  

 

  
 

321 Combative? Unpredictab;e? Says kooky things? Sounds like your garden variety Democrat, to me.

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323 The problem is Oregonians knew he was wacko and re-elected him anyway, fairly easily.

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