July 16, 2011
— Ace Down, down, down.
Following another week of weak economic data, we have cut our estimates for real GDP growth in the second and third quarter of 2011 to 1.5% and 2.5%, respectively, from 2% and 3.25%. Our forecasts for Q4 and 2012 are under review, but even excluding any further changes we now expect the unemployment rate to come down only modestly to 8¾% at the end of 2012.[Discussion of short-term, temporary factors, such as auto supply disruptions due to the Japan Nuke Disaster, omitted; report notes that failing economy cannot be explained entirely by such temporary factors]
...final demand growth has slowed to a pace that is typically only seen in recessions.... Moreover, if the economy returns to recession—not our forecast, but clearly a possibility given the recent numbers …
Obama's obvious play here is to claim the economy was growing, until... those wicked Republicans took over the House in January 2010, and then they undid all his terrific work.
It's obvious, but I don't think many are going to buy that jazz. Obama promised some strong growth in 2011, for example:
Starting in 2011, with Obamanomics fully in gear and the recession over, growth would take off. GDP would rise 4.3 percent in 2011, followed by Â… 4.3 percent growth in 2012 and 2013, too! And 2014? Another year of 4.0 percent growth. Off to the races, America.
But I don't see what else they can say.
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Posted by: that guy that doesn't read all the comments at July 16, 2011 05:33 AM (GTbGH)
Could it because they are liars.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 05:35 AM (M9Ie6)
Never, no, and boned.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 05:37 AM (GTbGH)
Yeah, what the hell, I was just trying to figure out how to embed a Youtube video there, and my A W E S O M E Open Thread timing struck again.
Posted by: Truman North at July 16, 2011 05:38 AM (K2wpv)
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 05:39 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: real joe at July 16, 2011 05:40 AM (w7Lv+)
Posted by: Truman North at July 16, 2011 05:40 AM (K2wpv)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 16, 2011 05:41 AM (Wm4Mf)
It's only a surprise to people who truly believe Obama's prattle.
The negative trends will move slightly downwar going into the election. But that is inevitable because we are pretty close to bottom. Obama will claim things are headed in the right direction, to try and gain your vote.
But. what he has done is economically disastrous. Do you want four more years of this?
Posted by: Marcus at July 16, 2011 05:41 AM (aqKGQ)
If the economy sucks, inflation is way up, and tons of people are still out of work, they will, rightly or wrongly, blame the most visible member of the government, the only one they are familiar with, the president. These dipshits believe that the president calls all the shots. Clinton had a great economy not because of Congress, but because he was some economic genius. The last two years of Bush were an economic disaster not because of Nanzi Pelosi and commiecrew taking over Congress, but because Bush ruined it.
Obama can bitch and moan about Republicans all he wants. Those brilliant independents will blame him if things are bad, and praise him if things get better. That's really all it will come down to.
Posted by: mugiwara at July 16, 2011 05:42 AM (KI/Ch)
More evidence that Moody's and S&P talk of downgrade is nothing more than political posturing
The actual people who matter are taking all this BS in stride. As some of us said, the actual rating of the bonds has already taken into account the BS going on in Washington.
However there's this:
Could it be that the MFM has been playing fast and lose with what Moody's actually said?
Maybe we have been to harsh with MoodyÂ’s and the MFM has been lying to us.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 05:42 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 09:33 AM (M9Ie6)
My money says he just rolled in from last night.
Posted by: RushBabe at July 16, 2011 05:43 AM (Ew27I)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 16, 2011 05:43 AM (Wm4Mf)
Posted by: FreakyBoy at July 16, 2011 05:44 AM (xAW84)
Posted by: RushBabe at July 16, 2011 05:44 AM (Ew27I)
Posted by: Pheneas Pfluggermeister
..........
Thanks for the morning laugh, Pheneas!
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 16, 2011 05:44 AM (Wm4Mf)
Obviously you missed this
http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=318854#c13803069
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 05:44 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Y-not's aches have aches on them at July 16, 2011 05:45 AM (5H6zj)
Mornin', morons, one and all.
I have to tell y'all about a conversation I had with one of my musician friends at last nights' gig. During our first break, we were standing outside the venue and we started discussing the news of the day, the budget battle. My friend, with whom I've never discussed politics before, started to rail against "big business" when I asked him about The Vapid One's® rather cozy relationship with GE's Immelt.
He had no response to that one. He's a big lib, as are most of my music friends, but he also fancies himself as a history buff.
He then proceeded to denigrate capitalism, and all its' supposed evils and how it's responsible for all the world's ills, citing in the process all the tired talking points of the left. He's a stock trader (although not a day trader, so he said). Then he started talking about how banks were packaging their shitty loans in order to make money from the worthless loans they had.
It was when he said that all these big, evil corporations weren't regulated that I interrupted him by pointing out one very big inconvenient truth: all of these big companies are following the law and that they are indeed very heavily regulated.
That's when he started sputtering. Every time he pointed out something that the big, evil corporations were doing, I gently reminded him that all they were doing was adhering to federal regulation. That's why they all have platoons of lawyers. He sputtered some more, and trotted out a few more lefty talking points, but he knew he'd lost the debate. I could see it in his eyes.
I should point out that alcohol may have been involved. Just a bit, though.
While it wasn't quite as much fun as punching a hippie, it was still very satisfying to politely confront his world view. At the end of the conversation, he was almost apologetic for his reaction to me bending him over the rhetorical barrel, which I did with as much tact and diplomacy as a Moron can muster, which was actually quite a bit. I didn't want to piss him off, but he almost lost it on several occasions. I could tell I got the better of the debate.
I'm just not going to sit by and let lefty talking points pass by any more. He started it, and by the end, he knew he'd lost. He is a smart fella, no doubt about that, but now he's a bit less sure of himself and his rather leftist world view today.
Mission accomplished.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 05:46 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 05:49 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at July 16, 2011 05:51 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: dan in michigan at July 16, 2011 05:51 AM (ursg4)
Denegrating a member of the Democrat Party is unconscionable behavior BackwardBoy, and you're a...prick.
And good morning to you, too.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 05:53 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at July 16, 2011 05:53 AM (deaac)
Posted by: MaxMBJ at July 16, 2011 05:55 AM (deaac)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at July 16, 2011 05:57 AM (ZDUD4)
Raising taxes isn't about revenue. Nope: Fairness.
Remember when President Obama was a U.S. Senator talking about how raising taxes is about “fairness?” We do. In the following clip, Charlie Gibson explains how history shows lowering the capital gains tax actually increases government revenue. Gibson asks Obama, with the facts showing lower tax rates actually increase revenue, why raise the capital gains tax at all? Then Senator Obama responds by saying raising taxes is about fairness.
Fairness: The left's cruel punitive dumbass idea to spread the wealth around by removing private property and shoveling it into a corrupt and inefficient government. Just don't call it socialism. Nope - call it "fairness".
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at July 16, 2011 05:58 AM (0fzsA)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at July 16, 2011 05:59 AM (OL4L4)
The Obama legacy:
1. We don't estimate speeches
2. The U.S. losing the AAA rating it has had since 1917.
Posted by: Jay at July 16, 2011 05:59 AM (yl3Gv)
Posted by: Robin Munn at July 16, 2011 06:00 AM (Vz4w5)
Lemon Kitten - yup.. that's the new phraseology they have adopted.. the wealthy need to pay "their fair share". Forgetting of course that the wealthy already pay 75% of ALL income taxes paid in this country.. and also forgetting that "fair" should mean the people on the low end should be paying something - as opposed to actually receiving money back from the government for sitting on their asses.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 16, 2011 06:02 AM (Wm4Mf)
I'm a bass player.. and played acoustic guitar and sang in pubs for many years..
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 16, 2011 06:05 AM (Wm4Mf)
I see the term "Shared Sacrifice" being tossed about quite frequently.
Of course, it's only applied to the private sector.
Posted by: franksalterego at July 16, 2011 06:07 AM (7/sDI)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 16, 2011 06:09 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at July 16, 2011 06:10 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Killerdog at July 16, 2011 06:10 AM (C2ezr)
#9 Agree
Slightly OT - saw a segment on Fox where they were debating the debt ceiling/budget/etc. The Phd Finance Professor from some university was insisting that Obama has put forth a detailed plan, that his plan is the most economically sound, that 80% of americans are ok with tax hikes, and that it (the deficit, etc) was the GOP's fault. If a supposed well learned Finance person is spouting this nonsense you have to worry about the rest of the country
Posted by: nobamain12 at July 16, 2011 06:10 AM (1CcaY)
...there's hope for him yet.
My thoughts exactly. I'm honing my chops for the next time I meet our newest Friend of the Band, a recent graduate of Columbia with a degree in political science. I really want to hear what they filled her head with although I'm afraid I already know most of it: she's something of an environmentalist.
She seems receptive, and the fact that smarts just ooze out of her in a humble way makes me look forward to that conversation. I've already challenged her in much the same way as I did my buddy last night, with tact, diplomacy and charm. I consider myself on a real mission, to prove to those who're succeptible to suggestion that conservatives aren't what we're made out to be.
If she can be turned, she would be a valuable ally...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 06:11 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Johnny at July 16, 2011 06:11 AM (mhmc7)
Obamacrantz: That's it then, is it? We've done nothing wrong. We didn't harm anybody, did we?
Bidenstern: I can't remember.
Obamacrantz: All right, then. I don't care. I've had enough. To tell you the truth, I'm relieved.
Bidenstern: There must have been a moment at the
beginning, where we could have said no. Somehow we missed it. Well, we'll know
better next time.
- Obamacrantz & Bidenstern Are Dead
Posted by: free opinions while they last at July 16, 2011 06:12 AM (Qpvcv)
Denegrating a member of the Democrat Party is unconscionable behavior BackwardBoy, and you're a...prick.
And good morning to you, too.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 09:53 AM (d0Tfm)
'Tis a sock...and good job with your friend!
Posted by: Tami at July 16, 2011 06:13 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Reno_Dave at July 16, 2011 06:13 AM (OL4L4)
Posted by: Milo at July 16, 2011 06:14 AM (ZLd6x)
..........
Since Ace hasn't fixed the link tags yet, he may not even be up at all! probably posted then passed out again.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 16, 2011 06:15 AM (Wm4Mf)
Hey BackwardsBoy.. what do you play? What kind of music does your band play?
I'm a bass player.. and played acoustic guitar and sang in pubs for many years..
I play bass, drums, and percussion in several local blues bands. Last night I played drums, and the bass player is really a guitar player. Go figure. The guitar player is a rather large biker dude who's a big Elmore James fan and with whom I've played bass for years. We had a really good time considering we've never played together before last night.
And you?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 06:18 AM (d0Tfm)
Raising taxes isn't about revenue. Nope: Fairness.
Remember when President Obama was a U.S. Senator talking about how raising taxes is about “fairness?” We do. In the following clip, Charlie Gibson explains how history shows lowering the capital gains tax actually increases government revenue. Gibson asks Obama, with the facts showing lower tax rates actually increase revenue, why raise the capital gains tax at all? Then Senator Obama responds by saying raising taxes is about fairness
And, may I add, NOT raising taxes is RAAAAACIST!!!!
Posted by: Sheila Jackson Lee at July 16, 2011 06:18 AM (hbAPu)
47 chi town
If you listen to the whiney left - it's as if the rich don't pay any taxes at all. We need TAXES! What a concept! Funny - the rich on the left don't seem to pay their fair share.
Also, why isn't there ary talk about cutting back on the tax payer funded army of democrat staffers? Talk about waste.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at July 16, 2011 06:19 AM (0fzsA)
'Tis a sock...and good job with your friend!
I figured as much, but I can never tell who's doing it, everybody here is so good at it, which explains why I never try it. And thanks.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 06:22 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: garrett at July 16, 2011 06:23 AM (80VQm)
Posted by: No Whining at July 16, 2011 06:23 AM (SIkWa)
Posted by: Truman North at July 16, 2011 06:23 AM (K2wpv)
He is a smart fella, no doubt about that, but now he's a bit less sure of himself and his rather leftist world view today.
Mission accomplished.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 09:46 AM (d0Tfm)
Great story! How was his playing after the break? Angry?
Oftentimes the effects of receiving a cold smack of reality, such as you laid on your bandmate, diminishes 50% with each passing sunrise.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 16, 2011 06:31 AM (4q5tP)
Okay that is Number Two on the list of things they can do. Number One is for Barky to resign immediately ...
Did you see that quote from the fellow over at Legal Insurrection the other day where he pointed out The Vapid One's™ own Catch 22? He said essentially that all the things that would make him reelectable such as an explosion of GDP growth would only happen were he to resign.
I'm still chuckling at that one. Sad, but very true.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 06:32 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: No Whining at July 16, 2011 06:33 AM (SIkWa)
Someone explain to me this concept of "shared sacrifice."
It seems that when the economy is doing good that the government is justifies in taking more because everyone else has more.
And "shared sacrifice" is when the economy is doing bad the government is is justified in taking more because everyone else has less.
Is this related to the logic of Global Warming?
Posted by: Minuteman at July 16, 2011 06:36 AM (hbAPu)
Posted by: Truman North at July 16, 2011 10:23 AM (K2wpv)
Just ask them if AGW is real. Then you respond with, "That's controversial" or "It's never been proven" or "We don't know what point on the Solar Heating Cycle we're at."
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 16, 2011 06:36 AM (4q5tP)
Posted by: Johnny at July 16, 2011 06:36 AM (mhmc7)
Great story! How was his playing after the break? Angry?
Not really. He's not that type of guy, he's more smug than anything else. but he's not rectal about it. He's actually a very nice guy, and he finished up by saying that his respect for me wouldn't be tainted by one political conversation, for which I was thankful. We even shook hands after.
As for your last point, I'm afraid you're right. But, dumbass me always has hope. Winning hearts and minds and all that...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 06:39 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: SurferDoc at July 16, 2011 06:39 AM (STdkO)
We sacrifice. They share.
That's one bumper sticker we won't be seeing on the back of a Prius anytime soon, that's for sure.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 06:43 AM (d0Tfm)
Just which of you said, you wanted a raise in taxes, as a way to reduce the deficit/debt?
C'mon.. Someone has to cop to this.
Posted by: franksalterego at July 16, 2011 06:46 AM (7/sDI)
Posted by: Sukie Tawdry at July 16, 2011 06:46 AM (MPtFW)
"But I don't see what else they can say."
They are liars. They will say anything that the MBM will let them get away with. This is the most lawless POTUS administration that ever walked.
Posted by: monsoon at July 16, 2011 06:46 AM (sqX19)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at July 16, 2011 09:51 AM (ZDUD4)
I stay on good terms with a very good friend who's also a musician by just having a mutual agreement not to discuss politics. We both agree that we want the most possible good for mankind but are in profound disagreement on how that is best accomplished. We also acknowledge that we're not going to be able to convince the other into changing his views. So far it's worked out very well.
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 16, 2011 06:47 AM (zsvKP)
C'mon.. Someone has to cop to this.
Dude. 80% or 71%, pfflt!
If I think back over everyone I've known throughout the course of my entire life, I still can't think of eight people who would say that taxes should be raised.
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 06:50 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: The Democrats at July 16, 2011 06:51 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: the word 'UNPRECEDENTED' at July 16, 2011 06:52 AM (lEUsP)
Posted by: Johnny at July 16, 2011 06:52 AM (mhmc7)
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 06:55 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 10:55 AM (piMMO)
Hello? Detroit!
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at July 16, 2011 06:58 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at July 16, 2011 06:59 AM (agD4m)
Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at July 16, 2011 10:59 AM (agD4m)
You say that now, but when you see Insurance Premiums go down by 3000%, you'll be worried.
Posted by: Barack Obamamao-mao at July 16, 2011 07:01 AM (80VQm)
Posted by: Jean at July 16, 2011 07:01 AM (liPvR)
Posted by: Dan at July 16, 2011 07:01 AM (mXBxH)
I stay on good terms with a very good friend who's also a musician by just having a mutual agreement not to discuss politics.
That's a sound policy on your part and the one I adhere to for all my musician buds. My friend opened the door by spouting a lefty talking point, so I figured it was therefore appropriate to counter, all in the spirit of good debate. And I also told him it was good for me to listen to opposing viewpoints as well.
Anymore, I try to stay under the radar with my buddies, but if they start with the mindless talking points first, that's my cue to counter them.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 07:01 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: cant be said often enough at July 16, 2011 07:03 AM (m+nIW)
Posted by: t-bird at July 16, 2011 07:04 AM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Every Parent In America at July 16, 2011 07:08 AM (FcR7P)
It's apparent ( to me, anyway) that the economy can show even anemic growth due to it's sheer size and diversity. After re-reading Atlas Shrugged, the parallels are scary. I'm thinking THIS election is probably the last chance to salvage our system, albeit with considerable pain. If we don't, my projected life span won't allow seeing the inevitable results--but my kids and grandkids sure will. It would be nice not to subject them to that kind of life.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 16, 2011 07:08 AM (ud5dN)
You seem to be on the same wavelength as I am re: musicians who are almost entirely libs. There are some exceptions, to be sure, but not many. Btw, I've maintained that Cahrlse Jhonnso's descent into babbling lunacy was assisted by his dimwit musician buds freezing him out of playing gigs until he renounced his evil ways. Considering the boring garbage that the ponytailed horse's ass plays, the universe of gigs was pretty miniscule from the get go.
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 16, 2011 07:08 AM (zsvKP)
Posted by: Sheila Jackson Lee at July 16, 2011 07:08 AM (W7Seu)
Fox's Forbes Panel talking stupid on Obama' Strong Cities Program
Look Fox this is pure and simple a fed bailout of Dem strongholds that have bankrupted themselves through decades of communist government.
Why should my tax dollars from SC go to bailing out cities like Detroit. Fk them let them wallow in their own juices.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 07:08 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 10:11 AM (d0Tfm)
good job, but better watch out or you'll find yourself blacklisted, officially or unofficially
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 07:09 AM (vgadG)
I cannot read Atlas Shrugged or Road to Serfdom anymore, they just strike too close to home
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 07:11 AM (vgadG)
Go after
1. Obamacare
2. Unspent Stimulus (slush fund) monies
3. High speed trains
Already a HUGE dent.
Posted by: dagny at July 16, 2011 07:12 AM (bTktE)
good job, but better watch out or you'll find yourself blacklisted
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 11:09 AM (vgadG)
Watch yourself, buddy.
Posted by: Maureen Dowdd at July 16, 2011 07:12 AM (80VQm)
118
Right? It's like you need to check on them to see what's going to happen next like the TV guide of epic fail.
Posted by: dagny at July 16, 2011 07:12 AM (bTktE)
Other than Karlgaard, I didn't hear anyone else supporting it.
Detroit? Puhleeze!
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 07:14 AM (piMMO)
I stay on good terms with a very good friend who's also a musician by just having a mutual agreement not to discuss politics.
That's a sound policy on your part and the one I adhere to for all my musician buds. My friend opened the door by spouting a lefty talking point, so I figured it was therefore appropriate to counter, all in the spirit of good debate. And I also told him it was good for me to listen to opposing viewpoints as well.
Anymore, I try to stay under the radar with my buddies, but if they start with the mindless talking points first, that's my cue to counter them.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 11:01 AM (d0Tfm)
With all due respect, mm. NO! This is precisely the strategy that got us into this mess several generations ago. If ever there was a time to be screaming from the rooftops, NOW is the time. Closet Conservatives: TIME TO COME OUT, GET LOUD and BE PROUD. When the Precedent tells his base to "get in their face" and after what we witnessed in Wisconsin for weeks, with the MFM as his campaign staff, it is only a grass roots conversation about the 8000 lb anti-American, marxist liar in the WH that is going to change the course of this once great nation.
Posted by: Shame The Shameless at July 16, 2011 07:15 AM (dh5Eu)
Women Gropes TSA.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 16, 2011 07:15 AM (a1Oir)
"auto supply disruptions due to the Japan Nuke Disaster"
Yeah, one of the strongest earthquakes ever recorded and a massive tsunami were just a sideshow. The real disaster was at the nuke plant.
That shit right there makes me want to choke a bitch.
(Not a death threat)
Posted by: gebrauchshund at July 16, 2011 07:16 AM (iYwUw)
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 07:17 AM (vgadG)
Excuse me, I think my practically-perfect inventions know better than you what you're trying to say. Relax.
Posted by: Steve Jobs-Poppins at July 16, 2011 07:17 AM (7c8Cd)
I'll give Obama credit.
One way to avoid the boom and bust cycle is to never have an economic boom.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at July 16, 2011 07:17 AM (GE1+K)
That shit right there makes me want to choke a bitch.
(Not a death threat)
Never thought it was, my man...
keep that pimp hand strong.
Posted by: wayne brady at July 16, 2011 07:18 AM (80VQm)
Posted by: CAC at July 16, 2011 07:18 AM (aGuwm)
Oh but do you remember this great article from Fred Barnes?
Bush's "Big Government Conservatism".
Some of yaÂ’ll didnÂ’t like my 6 criteria for evals. How do you like Fred BarnesÂ’ criteria from 2003?
The case for Bush's conservatism is strong. Sure, some conservatives are upset because he has tolerated a surge in federal spending, downplayed swollen deficits, failed to use his veto, created a vast Department of Homeland Security, and fashioned an alliance of sorts with Teddy Kennedy on education and Medicare. But the real gripe is that Bush isn't their kind of conventional conservative. Rather, he's a big government conservative.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 07:19 AM (M9Ie6)
As for your last point, I'm afraid you're right. But, dumbass me always has hope. Winning hearts and minds and all that...
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 10:39 AM (d0Tfm)
Hard learned experience from discussing politics with mom. She's unswayable in her Obama devotion. Like a '50s bobbysoxer following Elvis. She gets all her "news" from the Wash Post, Colbert, and Stewart.
He gave us three gifts: faith, hope, and love. You're using them well.
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 16, 2011 07:19 AM (4q5tP)
Posted by: Shame The Shameless at July 16, 2011 11:15 AM (dh5Eu)
I sympathize with that POV and I wrestle with it myself, seeing as how I'm in a field overwhelmingly dominated by lefties, but shouting conservatism from the rooftops will likely have detrimental career-related consequences. Now, I either (a) avoid it, or (b) use the "on the one hand, on the other hand..." approach.
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 07:20 AM (vgadG)
Can you say Ross Perot?
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 07:21 AM (M9Ie6)
Excuse me, I think my practically-perfect inventions know better than you what you're trying to say. Relax.
For your morning humor on that topic.
The best of Damn You Auto Correct
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at July 16, 2011 07:21 AM (GE1+K)
Just wait until it starts auto-correcting such outdated and arcane words such as capitalism and freedom with shared-outcome and group-thought.
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 07:22 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: CAC at July 16, 2011 07:23 AM (aGuwm)
good job, but better watch out or you'll find yourself blacklisted, officially or unofficially
That's always a possibility, but after all the years I've playing music here, everyone pretty much knows my political views, although that's not what people think about first when they hear my name, thank goodness. We all have dry spells as far as gigs go, but I seem to be no more different than anyone else as best I can tell. And your explanation of Carhsles Johannssonnn sounds about right. He's probably very emotionally needy. I, on the other hand, have my principles which I will not compromise for anyone. Even I have standards, low though they may be.
I do feel a bit more pressure to play well, as deep down, I feel I must do extra super duper well, playing wise, if for no other reason to confound those who have blindly accepted the lefty image of conservatives as knuckle-dragging, Bible-toting, bitter clingers.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 07:24 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: sTevo at July 16, 2011 07:24 AM (VMcEw)
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 11:19 AM (M9Ie6)
Someone please explain what that is. Apparently I have spent the last 30 years developing a coherent political philosophy for myself and I completely missed the "big government" part of conservatism!
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 16, 2011 07:24 AM (LH6ir)
That's not the first time, he's copped to that possibility.. We heard it a few weeks ago, with something along the lines of "I don't really need a second term."
So, what does a narcissistic, vindictive president, who has conceded a second term, do?
He inflicts as much damage as he can on the way out.
It's becoming obvious, that no matter the outcome of the Debt Ceiling negotiations, the economy isn't going to recover.. Not as long as he's hanging around, like the Sword of Damocles over the private sector.
Does anyone doubt, that even as an ex-president, he'll keep inflicting as much damage as he can?
Posted by: franksalterego at July 16, 2011 07:25 AM (7/sDI)
Posted by: Jean at July 16, 2011 07:29 AM (liPvR)
Well according to the Neocon Barnes it is a social con who also believes in fighting a lot of wars and who believes in big government.
Bush was a walking disaster for the Republican Party,
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 07:29 AM (M9Ie6)
That's not the first time, he's copped to that possibility.. We heard it a few weeks ago, with something along the lines of "I don't really need a second term."
He's setting up two memes:
1. I don't care what it costs me personally. I will sacrifice myself for the good of the people.
2. I've accomplished everything I set out to accomplish in half the time we originally thought it would take.
The Dems ALWAYS have two statements prepared to spin the outcome of any situation to their benefit.
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 07:29 AM (piMMO)
Screaming "I HATE STUPID PEOPLE" in my car driving down the freeway is the release valve for all that patient edumacating by sounding stupid performance. Much better than grabbing them by the throat and daring them to show up at any polling place in the state. Ever. Oh, didnt the purple shirts do that already in several locations across the country in 08?
Posted by: Shame The Shameless at July 16, 2011 07:30 AM (dh5Eu)
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 11:24 AM (piMMO)
Rasmussen has been warning for months that they will if the Repubs nominate another McCain squish and that if they do 18% of normal Republican voters will go with the 3rd party Tea Party nominee.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 07:31 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 07:32 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Jean at July 16, 2011 07:33 AM (liPvR)
I think CJ also traded in his wife/girlfriend for a younger, more liberal model - guys have been known to go full retard when that happens.
That pretty much proves that you can, indeed, fuck someone's brains out.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 07:33 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: CAC at July 16, 2011 07:33 AM (aGuwm)
I agree that his policies were misguided. He lost sight of some important, fundamental ideas.
But he loves America. That is not debatable. And I really miss that.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 16, 2011 07:33 AM (LH6ir)
I would count on Palin to squash that notion with good old-fashioned common sense. Bachman, however, has enough of a vanity streak that she just might throw her hat into the ring anyway.
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 07:33 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: chemjeff
Did you have insomnia last night? Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more, say no more.
I denounce myself (but will tune into the ONT if that's where you're going to post all the details).
Posted by: RushBabe at July 16, 2011 07:33 AM (Ew27I)
Posted by: t-bird at July 16, 2011 07:34 AM (FcR7P)
I have never seen anything that would indicate that Bachmann would run 3rd party if she didn't get the nod.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 07:36 AM (M9Ie6)
Women Gropes TSA.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at July 16, 2011 11:15 AM (a1Oir)
Kinda looks like she could be the sister of the woman who minced her husband's meat.
Posted by: Tami at July 16, 2011 07:36 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Jean at July 16, 2011 07:37 AM (liPvR)
I have seldom used the word 'hate' in my life but I now find myself muttering the words repeatedly to myself "I hate that sonofabitch!"
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 07:37 AM (piMMO)
But he loves America. That is not debatable. And I really miss that.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 16, 2011 11:33 AM (LH6ir)
I'd always thought Bush was a disaster both for the US and especially for the conservative movement, but a few years of Barky and I've got to admit, I'm pining for the days of a shitty president who at the very least had some pride in his country. Hell, even Clinton is looking pretty good these days...
Posted by: mugiwara at July 16, 2011 07:37 AM (KI/Ch)
Posted by: CAC at July 16, 2011 07:37 AM (aGuwm)
That's not the first time, he's copped to that possibility.. We heard it a few weeks ago, with something along the lines of "I don't really need a second term."
Teh Won actually said that before he was elected, after he out-clintoned clinton for the nomination. I remember being chilled to the bone, because of how sinister and well-planned his puppet masters must have seemed to him.
Posted by: Shame The Shameless at July 16, 2011 07:38 AM (dh5Eu)
There was a Dead Sea Scroll exhibit in Raleigh a couple years back. In one of the caves where they found the scrolls they found a pot with 30 pieces of silver. These could be the actual pieces used in Jesus' betrayal.
It was an amazing thing to see.
Posted by: sTevo at July 16, 2011 07:38 AM (VMcEw)
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 11:33 AM (piMMO)
Palin has repeatedly said she would not go third party, but I think you're right about Bachmann -- that is, if she doesn't implode first. Newt's not the only one in the negative $$ column. I saw a comenter's review of all the candidates' fund reports for the last quarter and the personal $$ they used as the starter amount, and they're pretty dismal -- especially Ogabe's. He's lying out his a$$.
Posted by: RushBabe at July 16, 2011 07:39 AM (Ew27I)
Arrogance, superiority, overarching pride.
God, I hate Warren.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 16, 2011 07:39 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 11:36 AM (M9Ie6)
She also loves America and I hope she keeps that in mind if the TP encourages her to stay in it. That is, provided she's not the Republican candidate already.
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 07:39 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 11:24 AM (d0Tfm)
So after this break-time discussion, did you guys proceed by carrying the pocket on top of the beat, middle of the beat or on the back of the beat for the rest of the festivities?
Yeah, I'm a bassist.
Posted by: Meremortal at July 16, 2011 07:40 AM (7FgWm)
no, of course there will be a revival of him because he is Our First Black President and Saint of Redemption for All of America's Racist Sins.
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 07:40 AM (vgadG)
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 11:38 AM (vgadG)
*sigh*
(Insert sad-face emoticon here.)
Posted by: RushBabe at July 16, 2011 07:40 AM (Ew27I)
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 11:33 AM (piMMO)
One thing that never gets mentioned is that Palin is more loyal to the fucking Repukes than they deserve. She even endorsed that backstabbing cocksucker McCain in an act that would never be reciprocated. I want to like Bachmann but I completely agree with the vanity thing; I think she makes a good spokeswoman for conservative causes when she isn't making weird unforced gaffes, but I don't consider her as a serious presidential candidate.
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 16, 2011 07:41 AM (zsvKP)
Posted by: CAC at July 16, 2011 07:41 AM (aGuwm)
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 07:42 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Jean at July 16, 2011 07:43 AM (liPvR)
Don't be sad. I'm not. I learned some things last night.
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 07:43 AM (vgadG)
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 07:43 AM (M9Ie6)
Umm... gay latino atheist trannies living in the Village?
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 07:44 AM (vgadG)
He evidently knows something we don't know and his he is losing ground on a daily basis.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 07:46 AM (M9Ie6)
Most New Yorkers- even liberal ones, despise the man.
There's only one voter block that still holds a favorable opinion of him, and you can take a wild, wild guess which one that is.
Posted by: CAC at July 16, 2011 11:41 AM (aGuwm)
I'll take "Read Between The Lines" for $400, Alex
Posted by: Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee at July 16, 2011 07:46 AM (4q5tP)
So after this break-time discussion, did you guys proceed by carrying the pocket on top of the beat, middle of the beat or on the back of the beat for the rest of the festivities?
I always try to stay just behind the beat when I play bass. My drumming, however, still has a bit of a rock feel to it, playing right on top or rushing it a tad, which I really have to watch. I cut my drumming teeth by emulating guys like Carl Palmer, Bill Bruford and other prog rock drummers, so now I strive to play just a straight shuffle beat with just enough appropriate fills to break up the monontony. I listen to the guitar player intensely and if he makes a statement, I try to accent that, again using restrant, because it's the blues after all.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 07:48 AM (d0Tfm)
Think Eisenhower. More innocent times. Eisenhower was a Democrat who didn't want to deal with the party bosses deciding whether to run him or not. Think Nanny Bloomberg.
Posted by: Truman North at July 16, 2011 07:49 AM (K2wpv)
Posted by: Jean at July 16, 2011 07:50 AM (liPvR)
Posted by: CAC, displaying his Platinum Plus/Delta Sky Miles Race Card at July 16, 2011 07:53 AM (aGuwm)
You will be able to tell your grandkids that you lived through the first 4 years of the Obama Depression.
Posted by: cherry π at July 16, 2011 07:56 AM (OhYCU)
did you catch this little news item?
How to fly for free
muddle-headed government at work again
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 07:58 AM (vgadG)
I think, a Palin/Bachmann or Bachmann/Palin ticket would be formidable enough to win.
Two Fiscal Conservatives against a Tax n' Spender/Tax n' Spender.
It's a walk in the park.
Posted by: franksalterego at July 16, 2011 07:59 AM (7/sDI)
Later Morons...
I'm off to the Farmer's Market to pick up some goods and to look at the college cuties in their summer skirts.
Posted by: garrett at July 16, 2011 08:00 AM (80VQm)
Posted by: garrett at July 16, 2011 12:00 PM (80VQm)
But you repeat yourself.
Posted by: Tami at July 16, 2011 08:01 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 11:43 AM (vgadG)
*looks up excitedly*
Oh? Do tell.
Posted by: RushBabe at July 16, 2011 08:04 AM (Ew27I)
just things about approaching women
oh, and how ridiculously short the shorts are for some women
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 08:07 AM (vgadG)
Just once, I'd like one of these folks to say, "yea, you were right all along. What the hell was I thinking with all of this liberal gibberish. It just doesn't work."
Well, I guess John, recent ex-Dem would qualify. Where has he been lately?
Posted by: pep at July 16, 2011 08:09 AM (6TB1Z)
how ridiculously short the shorts are for some women
Were you able to view the "best of" Daisy Duke video last night via whatever you were using to surf the interwebz?
Posted by: RushBabe at July 16, 2011 08:09 AM (Ew27I)
I had a buddy whose grad adviser was passing around Liberty and Tyranny to any of the students he thought would be interested. He was old as shit, so probably didn't care what anyone else thought. Funny part is that being on an Ag campus, most of the students are fairly conservative, and even a few profs are, but the lion's share are still lefties.
Posted by: Wild Bill at July 16, 2011 08:10 AM (yYZFR)
just things about approaching women
oh, and how ridiculously short the shorts are for some women
It's sad that there are ladies' underwear that cover more than the shorts some of the womens wear in public these days...
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 16, 2011 08:10 AM (c0A3e)
Well, I guess John, recent ex-Dem would qualify. Where has he been lately?
If I don't miss my guess, Weasel Zippers.
Posted by: Barry I, King of the Internets at July 16, 2011 08:11 AM (Ew27I)
Well, it's pretty obvious to anyone who looks PACIFICALLY at this Goldberg Sachs intermissive that it's what women and people of color have been going through for eternally.
And that is is that it is racist to it's core.
In fact, any bad economic news that PACIFICALLY attacks a person of color is racist, because it mainly comes from white men and Jews.
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz at July 16, 2011 08:15 AM (s5aNX)
A can of chicken chunks for fixing chicken salad has gone from 100 grams of chicken in water to 80 grams of chicken in water. The can and weight is the same but has 20% less chicken.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 08:16 AM (M9Ie6)
A few known variables.
National Debt = 14.503 Trillion.
GDP for 2010 = 14.582 Trillion
Off-balance sheet liabilities (see below):
Medicare & Social security = 45+ Trillion
Plus Trillions in malinvestments absorbed from commercial and retail banking institutions in 2008, in addition to 5.5 Trillion of debt absorbed by the government from the GSE's Fannie and Freddie.
In sum, feel free to draw your own conclusions.
Posted by: Journolist at July 16, 2011 08:16 AM (Fb9Q0)
If she's at the boardwalk and using those as a bikini bottom, then it's actually kind of cute and inventive. If she's anywhere else, and the purse suggests she is, then she's a hooker in the making. And, she's hot, so by hooker, I mean gold-digger.
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 08:17 AM (piMMO)
Oh, yeah, speaking of college cuties, there were a whole bunch of them last night.
As cute as they are, most of them aren't as old as my truck.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 08:17 AM (d0Tfm)
The page that picture came from had a comment that said those "shorts" were selling at Hollister's for 60 bucks.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 08:19 AM (M9Ie6)
just things about approaching women
oh, and how ridiculously short the shorts are for some women
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 12:07 PM (vgadG)
Chemjeff, you're killing the moronettes. We need more salacious information. There are a bazillion romance novels that are entirely predicated on sexual tension which, unrequited for 382 pages, come into full bloom in orgasmic ferocity when the communication level reaches it's zenith and nature takes over.
So this thing where you tease us is fine but you're gonna have to come up with some powerful stuff at some point.
Just sayin'
Posted by: dagny at July 16, 2011 08:21 AM (bTktE)
Posted by: CAC at July 16, 2011 08:22 AM (aGuwm)
Hollister is one of the biggest cultural frauds perpetuated on the public.
And I didn't realized it costs so much to look so trashy.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 16, 2011 08:22 AM (c0A3e)
An elderly relative had a similar description: I have shoes older than that.
Posted by: Retread at July 16, 2011 08:23 AM (G+7cD)
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 12:23 PM (M9Ie6)
"Your current Bing SafeSearch setting filters out results that might return adult content...."
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 16, 2011 08:26 AM (c0A3e)
All the teenage girls who troop through my kitchen to go sit around my fire pit wear shorts with 1 in inseams. These are all private school girls who ostensibly have parents who don't want them to become hookers. One of my sons did suggest to one who was having trouble with the locals near her college that she should buy clothes somewhere other than "baby-gap".
Apparently an entirely new generation of women feel the need to air their labia in public. Guess there was no where else to go.
Posted by: dagny at July 16, 2011 08:26 AM (bTktE)
The page that picture came from had a comment that said those "shorts" were selling at Hollister's for 60 bucks.
Heh, I have some old cutoffs I'll gladly give to her. Included in that price is a free fitting, painstakingly done with excruciating attention paid to each and every detail to insure the proper look.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 08:26 AM (d0Tfm)
I'm on the other coast and have never heard of Hollister. I just checked out their website and they have some of the most adorable girls clothing I've sen in a while. Those shorts were nowhere to be found so maybe trashy is out, and adorable is in.
I hope so.
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 08:27 AM (piMMO)
__________
I didn't even know I *had* "Bing SafeSearch Settings" and I certainly don't want to create an account just to change them.
Curse you, Bill Gates!
Posted by: Anachronda at July 16, 2011 08:28 AM (6fER6)
Posted by: dagny at July 16, 2011 08:30 AM (bTktE)
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 08:31 AM (M9Ie6)
Hey, Bill Gates would not be in favor of repression.
Know how I know? I actually know the guy who dated Mrs Bill Gates a few years before she met Bill.
He, no angel by a long shot, thought she was just "too much" to handle.
Posted by: dagny at July 16, 2011 08:32 AM (bTktE)
Okay, so she actually is walking on the beach so she gets a pass for that. However, she's carrying black strappy high heels, so she's clearly on her way to a stripclub or bikini contest so, no pass.
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 08:32 AM (piMMO)
I didn't even know I *had* "Bing SafeSearch Settings" and I certainly don't want to create an account just to change them.
Curse you, Bill Gates!
You don't have to create an account. You just change the setting on the search page near the top of the page.
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 08:34 AM (piMMO)
Possibly; the comment about Hollister may been made in jest.
Personally, sundresses are a bit more alluring than too-small-bikinis, but that's a matter of preference.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 16, 2011 08:35 AM (c0A3e)
Southern Comfort (1981)
Keith Carradine & Powers Boothe
never watched it -- from the synopsis it sounds like a ripoff of Deliverance
Posted by: soothsayer at July 16, 2011 08:36 AM (wONZj)
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 08:36 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Journolist at July 16, 2011 08:36 AM (Fb9Q0)
This is why I think that this whole push towards a global economy is doomed to fail. Why should we be vulnerable to supply disruptions, such as in the case of natural disasters such as the Japan earthquake, when we could be making those same parts right here at home? And remember all the problems we've had with Chinese suppliers and their total lack of quality control in everything from tainted dog food to tainted infant formula.
That's a glaring deficiency, and one that is fixable. IMHO, we need to go back to the idea of trading with our own surplus production, not depending on anyone else for essentials like food or transportation items. the rest of the world just isn't stable, it never has been, and likely never will be.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 08:37 AM (d0Tfm)
'Not sure if this was your intent, but I was just thinking that this post by ace is like a piece of meat shoved into a cage. Posted up, all in red, then left for us to amuse ourselves for an indefinite period of time.
Posted by: Y-not's aches have aches on them at July 16, 2011 08:40 AM (5H6zj)
It's so fun being a dad and embarassing the kids. Just walked out to the garage sale in my pajamas. Wife now upset.
Posted by: Journolist at July 16, 2011 08:41 AM (Fb9Q0)
Posted by: Jean at July 16, 2011 08:42 AM (liPvR)
Eeew. Might be time to do a scan. It sounds like you might have that damnable bug that causes you to redirect automatically. I've had a hell of a time with bugs lately, including a trojan that trashed my C drive to the point that I had to buy another laptop. Presently, I have the disc version of AVG loaded as well as the free version of Malwarebytes and Adaware. Malwarebytes just caught something when I hit the original link so there is something there.
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 08:43 AM (piMMO)
Nah. He would have dangled something like:
Start a story with just five random words...
What real movies have been made into porn....
Haiku this....
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 08:45 AM (piMMO)
A Georgia company is now manufacturing chopsticks and exporting them to China.
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 08:45 AM (piMMO)
Agreed. Those seeking to be tasteful, yet wish to display their physical characteristics that they find alluring, need to seek some balance in their choice, and sizing, of summer-time attire.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 16, 2011 08:46 AM (c0A3e)
Posted by: fluffy at July 16, 2011 08:46 AM (4Kl5M)
*brushes away flies*
The bad news is, we have to go to a work function today so we don't get to make any progress on unpacking and getting organized.
The good news is, it's in Park City and the weather is glorious for a drive in the convertible.
The bad news is, it's some friggin' symphonic rendering of the best of the Eagles. (I didn't even know they had a best of!)
Posted by: Y-not's aches have aches on them at July 16, 2011 08:47 AM (5H6zj)
Come to think of it, which other GOPper executive proudly signed a yawning money pit bill with Ted Kennedy standing behind him? Something to do with health care...
Posted by: Good Queen Bess II at July 16, 2011 08:47 AM (HjPtV)
“It’s outrageous. … I want to see what it is because we just heard about it, but it is as bad as their balanced so-called—and it wasn’t a balanced budget amendment. It was a Trojan Horse to bring in the Ryan plan again. This is even worse, from what I’ve heard. But I have to go see it.”
/The Hill
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 08:49 AM (o2lIv)
I remember in the late 80s-early 90s when women were working their asses off doing aerobics to get a better body and then going out and dropping big bucks on Laura Ashley dresses. They were, I suppose, intended to be demure, but they looked like big flowery ruffled flour sacks.
I still don't understand that one.
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 08:49 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Casey A. at July 16, 2011 12:38 PM (IhHdM)
Speakin' of which, George says "she ain't movin' in back here."
Posted by: Tami at July 16, 2011 08:51 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: Jeff Lebowski at July 16, 2011 08:52 AM (4Kl5M)
BackwardsBoy, so you want to change human nature so that we are motivate by stability versus greed? Our social contract is based on betting on mans baser desires.
No. I'm merely suggesting that we concentrate our efforts here.
We have laws to contain those baser desires and those who succumb to them. What I'm suggesting is that we make our own stuff here, a soapbox which I've danced on for a while. We can trade with the surplus, just like the good old days.
What's being touted by the Global Economy crowd is to shift the reliance on some essentials,to places and circumstances that are out of our control, through outsourcing, like car parts. Trade is great and I'm all for it, but we're currently ignoring the worlds' largest consumer market. I feel that if we were to withdraw from the idea of a world economy that is vastly different than what we once knew, we'd be much better off.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 08:52 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Doc at July 16, 2011 08:53 AM (nl/NH)
Just think how business would react if it wasn't taxed and regulated into oblivion. Why, they might even consider moving BACK to this country. What a concept.
Posted by: irongrampa at July 16, 2011 08:54 AM (ud5dN)
Posted by: Truman North at July 16, 2011 08:55 AM (K2wpv)
...This is even worse, from what IÂ’ve heard. But I have to go see it.
No, Nancy. We have to pass it first, remember?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 08:57 AM (d0Tfm)
“It’s outrageous. … I want to see what it is because we just heard about it, but it is as bad as their balanced so-called—and it wasn’t a balanced budget amendment. It was a Trojan Horse to bring in the Ryan plan again. This is even worse, from what I’ve heard. But I have to go see it.”
Going by that it's gotta be pretty darn good.
Posted by: lowandslow at July 16, 2011 08:59 AM (GZitp)
They believe it's their silver bullet to help win the next election, so they'd rather win next time than get on the path to solvency. That's all their party cares about anymore (though we knew that).
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 09:01 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: jeannebodine at July 16, 2011 09:01 AM (nvlAW)
Posted by: dagny at July 16, 2011 09:02 AM (bTktE)
"I completely missed the "big government" part of conservatism!"
I was being ironic. It is a strange juxtaposition of words. Big government and conservatism don't go together.
You all should just start drinking again. At least that's what I will be doing in about two hours.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 16, 2011 09:03 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Journolist at July 16, 2011 09:06 AM (Fb9Q0)
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 09:10 AM (s7mIC)
Posted by: sauropod at July 16, 2011 09:11 AM (GPm6P)
Posted by: steevy at July 16, 2011 09:13 AM (egOpc)
Yo chemjeff! Have you heard from our friend eman by any chance? I haven't seen him around here in ages.
Sorry about your stupid car. Look on the bright side (or be superstitious), maybe it saved you from something.
Posted by: arhooley at July 16, 2011 09:15 AM (Bf3Ff)
Rent a U-Haul and drive out to Utah. We've got so much shit and that's after having pared down when we moved from Indiana to California.
Also, consider getting a new ride and forgetting the stuff for the house. What are you driving now?
Posted by: Y-not's aches have aches on them at July 16, 2011 09:15 AM (5H6zj)
Conservatives may wish President Obama not be reelected, but the wind is behind his back and we will cruise to victory over the wing nuts with a resounding ass stomping.
Posted by: Pheneas Pfluggermeister at July 16, 2011 09:42 AM (Lt/Za)
That's not wind. That's the shock wave from an exploding economy.
Posted by: Ace's liver at July 16, 2011 09:15 AM (/gOMq)
I have the MS program running as well. I forgot to mention that. And you are correct in that not all systems catch all bugs. One company will discover a bug and word spreads, but there is always one company ahead of the other in resolving the problem. I will ever count on only one system...ever.
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 09:15 AM (piMMO)
The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are now outnumbered by those who vote for a living.
Posted by: jrg at July 16, 2011 09:15 AM (BkQvr)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at July 16, 2011 12:46 PM (c0...)
Guys: always wear speedos. It's what Canadians do, no matter how fat or tiny (IYKWIMAITTYD).
Best accessory for a speedo is cowboy boots.
Ladies, go with lots of spandex. You know, the "Rosie O" look. You'll have to keep the male orcas away with a club.
I think I'm gonna catch some shuteye now. See you'se 'roons in the wee hours after 2am or so.
Posted by: K~Bob at July 16, 2011 09:16 AM (3JCSG)
Really? I always wear black socks and dress shoes. As they say, the clothes make the man.
Posted by: Ace's liver at July 16, 2011 09:18 AM (/gOMq)
The spin I'm seeing is that government policy no longer moves the economy, so no matter what anyone does - Obama, Congress, a new president - it will have no effect. Therefore, by implication, Obama cannot be blamed for anything.
Let 'em spin. The last figure I saw concerning the cost of regulation and its drag on the economy is $1.75T, yes that's a capital "T", every year.
I believe that this won't fly, especially when sleepy folks start wondering why they can't buy 100-watt incadescent bulbs anymore. I'm almost tempted to hope that happens (there's another bill before Congress to repeal the ban after last's weeks' defeat) so it will wake up the idiot 52%'ers, even though GWB is the one who signed that POS bill. It's still big government controlling peoples' lives, regardless.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 09:18 AM (d0Tfm)
Repeal of the ban was passed via amendment by voice vote yesterday.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 09:21 AM (o2lIv)
And yet look at what happens when a man does it.
Posted by: Anthony Weiner at July 16, 2011 09:22 AM (6TB1Z)
I have a 2000 Toyota RAV4
It has 150K miles on it so I know it is time to start thinking about a newer car
that is my next big financial goal, saving for the car
I really want to pay for the next one in cash, so it is a race - can I save up enough cash in time before the car finally dies?
Y-not why do you have aches? from moving?
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 09:22 AM (s7mIC)
What about roadside lights and sports stadiums. Are they now using CFLs? Or are they the exception and still using the bigguns?
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 09:23 AM (piMMO)
>>my car problems stopped me from going...
Do you do your own maintenance?
I try to do everything except tires and exhaust.
Posted by: sTevo at July 16, 2011 09:23 AM (VMcEw)
No I haven't seen anything from eman in a long time. I hope he's okay?
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 09:23 AM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 09:24 AM (piMMO)
no
today's problem was a wheel bearing
it was the 3rd time I've had it "fixed"
the next time, I am going to ask for the entire spindle to be replaced
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 09:24 AM (s7mIC)
yes, this is true. So, what is a budget-friendly "sexy" car that I could get?
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 09:25 AM (s7mIC)
Posted by: sTevo at July 16, 2011 09:26 AM (VMcEw)
yes, this is true. So, what is a budget-friendly "sexy" car that I could get?
These days, you can buy a tiny car and just tell the gals you're being friendly to the environment.
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 09:27 AM (piMMO)
I believe that this won't fly, especially when sleepy folks start wondering why they can't buy 100-watt incadescent bulbs anymore.
They can. Burgess wrote an amendment and it passed.
http://tinyurl.com/6y8sea6
Posted by: arhooley at July 16, 2011 09:27 AM (Bf3Ff)
'80sbaby, correct me if I'm wrong, but that's not an actual repeal, is it? It just defunds enforcement of the ban for the next fiscal year. But the law is still on the books, is this right?
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 09:28 AM (s7mIC)
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 09:28 AM (piMMO)
It has 150K miles on it so I know it is time to start thinking about a newer car
that is my next big financial goal, saving for the car
I really want to pay for the next one in cash,
Good little car. I had one ('97 iirc) until I killed it in California (car accident).
But you need to think about something that would be more attractive to the babes. I have to say, my VW Eos is a chick magnet. And it's a really practical four-seater hardtop convertible. Decent mileage (considering how heavy the roof is) - I get around 27 mph combined, somewhat over 30 highway (4 speed auto). Great pickup and size (not too big).
Also, why pay cash when interest rates are so low?
Yeah, I'm sore from running around two three-story houses trying to shepherd the movers. It's surprisingly tiring watching other people lift heavy objects!
Well, off to Park City. Later H8ers!
Posted by: Y-not's aches have aches on them at July 16, 2011 09:28 AM (5H6zj)
Repeal of the ban was passed via amendment by voice vote yesterday.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 01:21 PM
@295 Woops, didn't see you up there, '80s.
Posted by: arhooley at July 16, 2011 09:29 AM (Bf3Ff)
because I want to pay 0% interest
Have a great time in Park City
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 09:29 AM (s7mIC)
_______
You're a saxomophone salesperson?
Posted by: Anachronda at July 16, 2011 09:30 AM (6fER6)
Yeah, but isn't that like the classic stereotypical frat-boy car?
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 09:30 AM (s7mIC)
I like the sound of the VW EOS. Friendly on gas but that's about it.
Posted by: sTevo at July 16, 2011 09:31 AM (VMcEw)
That is correct, Burgess defunded the enforcement.
Regardless of form, it has to pass the Senate and by signed by Obama to become law.
Here's another interesting tidbit from arhooley's link:
"The amendment also did not include language in Barton's bill that prohibited states from adopting their own standards. One Republican — Rep. Rob Bishop (R-Utah) — voted 'present' on the Barton bill largely over that 10th Amendment issue."
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 09:33 AM (o2lIv)
No.
Heh, yeah they are, still good rides though, i'd get one if i didn't need a pickup for work.
Posted by: booger at July 16, 2011 09:35 AM (9RFH1)
Your link is better. The post I linked said that Barton and not Bishop opposed the first bill when Barton was the sponsor of the first bill.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 09:36 AM (o2lIv)
yeah I'd like to have a car like that but $33K is out of my league right now
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 09:37 AM (s7mIC)
Repeal of the ban was passed via amendment by voice vote yesterday.
Good. I still can't figure out why the last bill didn't pass, but oh, well.
I hope it will eventually pass because it's the right thing for this congress to do, what with the mandate from the "shellacking" in the midterms and all. But, if it didn't, that might work to our advantage too, for the aforementioned reason.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 09:37 AM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 16, 2011 11:41 AM (zsvKP)
On the other hand, Palin™ endorsing (and campaigning for) McCain.... helped give us six more years of the backstabbing cocksucker McCain. Rick Santorum, on the other hand, was crucified for backing Arlen Specter in 2004 and that's still probably the biggest knock against him among conservatives.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States Stirring the Pot on a Lazy Saturday at July 16, 2011 09:41 AM (ti7Om)
Barton went for suspension of the rules because he thought he had 25 Ds. Instead, the Dems whipped their side to ensure the repeal wasn't passed. Never assume.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 09:41 AM (o2lIv)
What about roadside lights and sports stadiums. Are they now using CFLs? Or are they the exception and still using the bigguns?
IIRC, those bigguns use halogen bulbs, the kind you're not supposed to touch with your fingers because they put off so much heat they fail.
There'll probably be some sort of exemptions made, sorta like O'Care waivers, for businesses, if recent hisory is applicable. And doubly so for local governments.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 09:43 AM (d0Tfm)
Barton went for suspension of the rules because he thought he had 25 Ds. Instead, the Dems whipped their side to ensure the repeal wasn't passed. Never assume.
Thanks for the info, '80's baby. Do you think this next bill might pass?
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at July 16, 2011 09:46 AM (d0Tfm)
To Hugh Hewitt: "...So I really believe doing nothing, and just raising the debt limit is bad, just like defaulting is bad."
Context: "Look, if we do have an actual default, I donÂ’t want to get into scaring people or things like that. Not good things happen, okay? Bad things happen. HereÂ’s the other things, is if we just sort of roll over, and just raise the debt limit because we say you know what, we just canÂ’t cut, we canÂ’t agree, so letÂ’s just raise it? I also think that that will hurt us in the bond markets as well. I also think that that will raise interest rates, because what it sends a signal to the markets is even having Republicans in the majority in the House doesnÂ’t make a difference, the Americans, theyÂ’re not going to cut spending, theyÂ’re not going to get their fiscal house in order, so weÂ’re less likely to get our money back as bond buyers, so weÂ’re going to raise the price. So I really believe doing nothing, and just raising the debt limit is bad, just like defaulting is bad. And so that means weÂ’ve got to cut spending."
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 09:48 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Y-not's aches have aches on them at July 16, 2011 01:28 PM
Higher insurance costs. If the vehicle is financed, collision, theft, and comprehension are mandatory. If you don't buy it the finance company forces insurance on you and adds it to your monthly payment, and you don't get Flo's DISCOUNT
Posted by: kbdabear at July 16, 2011 09:49 AM (so1xa)
I picked up a car for my wife last year that was a loaner car from a dealer. It had about 8k on it, and about 15k off the sticker.
Late model used is the way to go.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 16, 2011 09:50 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: CAC, riding high in his 250k mileage Volvo at July 16, 2011 09:52 AM (aGuwm)
I thought we were all in agreement last week that the 14th Amendment smote the idea that we can actually default on our debt. The whole not to be questioned thing.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 09:52 AM (GTbGH)
Whenever Reid considers the House Energy and Water Appropriations Act (2012), which likely won't be for a long time.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 09:52 AM (o2lIv)
I'm seeing that the libs are pushing the 14th Amendment fallback as an option for Obama today.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 09:56 AM (o2lIv)
Never happen, unless they can figure out a way to make the photons fall exclusively on liberals.
Posted by: pep at July 16, 2011 09:57 AM (6TB1Z)
I thought we were in agreement that the call for 14th amendment was bogus BS.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 10:00 AM (M9Ie6)
I bought a car like that for my daughter many years ago. I think they called them "program cars" then. She had it for all of 6 months before her boyfriend ran a red light, struck another car, and totaled it.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 10:02 AM (M9Ie6)
I have a good friend who owns a Volvo performance shop, so that car I mentioned was a Volvo! He is a great mechanic and can keep anything running. We will have it, hopefully, for about 200k, and then it will go to one of the brats.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 16, 2011 10:03 AM (LH6ir)
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 02:00 PM (M9Ie6)
This is Ace of Spades. We don't agree on anything.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at July 16, 2011 10:04 AM (LH6ir)
Giving our hard earned money to countries for the harness of pig flatulence for energy (yet seniors or military, no money in the coffers Dear Leader says).
This is the Democrats and O'Barky's idea for stimulus money, what Republicans can find of it...
I can tell you who I'd like to harness to a pig's ass right now...
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at July 16, 2011 10:05 AM (FnRYN)
No such thing. The point of a "sexy" car is to show you have money.
Posted by: Ace's liver at July 16, 2011 10:06 AM (/gOMq)
Posted by: HeatherRadish, Big Game Hunter at July 16, 2011 10:07 AM (0vDuM)
My read was that it was a petard hoisting by the proggs. The 14th says that we cannot let our debt be questioned, so we have to pay. It in no way says that we have to borrow to do it.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 10:08 AM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Dr. Emmett L. Brown at July 16, 2011 10:08 AM (ti7Om)
All of that crap was part and parcel of that bullshit Kyoto treaty that we refused to even bring to the floor. Obama is implementing it via executive fiat and thumbing his nose at congress.
AND he is getting away with it because he knows they do not have the balls to do anything about it.
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 10:08 AM (M9Ie6)
The treasury department will prevent a default by taking essentially what is akin to federal workers 401(k) contributions as capital to fund obligations.
Social security could be used in the same way, except it already has been used through intragovernmental debt, just like medicare has. The total national debt is rougly 9 Trillion while the intragovernmental debt comprised of IOU's to governmental agencies amounts to roughly 5 Trillion.
The 5Trillion of IOU's are non-marketable securities as opposed to the other 9Trillion of debt which was sold as bonds and treasury type securities.
Then you add in the off-balance sheet unfunded liabilities of 45 Trillion.
And game on.
The point is, the total National debt is on par to our entire GDP. In other words, complete parity between debt and production with debt overtaking production, as of this writing, it probably is over 100%.
The facts as we know them should already have compelled moody's, s&p and fitch to downgrade the U.S. debt to below investment grade.
How can something that is unsustainable be further impacted by efforts to address same?
This is illogical.
The only constant in all of this is the certainty of change and its impact on what we know to be the status quo.
Posted by: Journolist at July 16, 2011 10:11 AM (Fb9Q0)
My understanding was they started doing that back in May as a bookkeeping gimmick to make it look like they were not "borrowing".
Posted by: Vic at July 16, 2011 10:13 AM (M9Ie6)
But who the hell wants a brand new car that isn't protected? An old clunker, yeah, but not a new car.
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 10:16 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 10:16 AM (piMMO)
That's not the scary part. The scary part is the future obligations (like Medicare) which we have no idea how to fund.
Posted by: Ace's liver at July 16, 2011 10:17 AM (/gOMq)
Posted by: Journolist at July 16, 2011 10:17 AM (Fb9Q0)
Posted by: Y-not's aches have aches on them at July 16, 2011 01:28 PM
Higher insurance costs. If the vehicle is financed, collision, theft, and comprehension are mandatory. If you don't buy it the finance company forces insurance on you and adds it to your monthly payment, and you don't get Flo's DISCOUNT
Posted by: kbdabear at July 16, 2011 01:49 PM (so1xa)
Those Flo commercials drive me batty.
I notice the libtards in the comment section will barely debate anymore they don't even post to stick up for the zerO and his policies. I hope this is a bellweather of things to come. PLEASE !
Posted by: Chris at July 16, 2011 10:22 AM (+qHxi)
Posted by: Sparky at July 16, 2011 10:22 AM (MqT/F)
Which are currently anywhere from $62T-88.7T. S&P said on Thursday that our debt could be downgraded to junk status absent meaningful entitlement reform before 2030.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 10:27 AM (o2lIv)
That's not the scary part. The scary part is the future obligations (like Medicare) which we have no idea how to fund.
Posted by: Ace's liver at July 16, 2011 02:17 PM (/gOMq)
< One saving point is the fact that when you subract out the intragovernmental borrowing i.e the IOU's to medicare and social security, etc.. which is about $5Trillion, the balance of $9Trillion (referred to as public debt) is about 64%.
When the "public debt" to GDP ratio hits 90%, not even illusion and sleight of hand will be able prop the system up, like now.
Posted by: Journolist at July 16, 2011 10:28 AM (Fb9Q0)
Posted by: William at July 16, 2011 10:29 AM (77TeU)
I'm 15 minutes in. So far, so good. I was afraid it was going to be all slapstick douchey humor.
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 10:31 AM (piMMO)
Oh, but wait, they did:
"Instead, Boehner and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) plan to move the Cut, Cap and Balance Act on the floor next week, which would require passage of a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution before the debt limit is raised."
That counts as a plan.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 16, 2011 10:32 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 10:32 AM (s7mIC)
I'm starting to get a good feeling about this. All this new money Goldman got their dem buddies to create? Now, they need those dollars to appreciate in value. Who is going to do that for them, policy wise?
Not dems...
Posted by: M. Murcek at July 16, 2011 10:33 AM (ToZXn)
Hey Journolist!
Missed your shout out last night. Hope all is well.
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 10:34 AM (ECjvn)
Have you run this past Barky, yet?
Posted by: Papa Editor at July 16, 2011 10:34 AM (FZZ94)
Posted by: Joseph R. Biden, Jr. at July 16, 2011 10:35 AM (ti7Om)
HI, CHEMJEFF!!!! Course, I'm not trying to be sexy, but I almost bought a Kia Soul when they first came out. Very cute, except they had the most godawful hideous upholstery. Maybe they've changed that.
Posted by: Peaches at July 16, 2011 10:35 AM (afUO8)
HI PEACHES!!! eh I don't know if I can own a Kia - I remember when they were ultra-cheap ultra-flimsy cars and I don't know if I can associate myself with a car like that
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 10:37 AM (s7mIC)
Yes, that one's a million years old
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at July 16, 2011 10:40 AM (ti7Om)
chemjeff, my thoughts are: 1. buy used. 2. amoritize loan to 60 months - yes, even on used. 3. buy something durable with utility and track record.
I would suggest Ford F150 pick up truck or anything in the Toyota or Lexus market like a Tundra or RX 300 or 400.
Economy is why 60 month loan. And lease shmeesh, don't like em.
Posted by: Journolist at July 16, 2011 10:41 AM (Fb9Q0)
Posted by: Waterhouse at July 16, 2011 10:45 AM (7c8Cd)
Posted by: Rufus at July 16, 2011 10:45 AM (J+D+J)
Posted by: chemjeff at July 16, 2011 02:45 PM (s7mIC)
< i.e. save your cash by lowering monthly payments. extreme financial times are a coming.
Posted by: Journolist at July 16, 2011 10:49 AM (Fb9Q0)
Posted by: Waterhouse at July 16, 2011 02:45 PM
But Bob is my buddy and he's a GREAT AMERICAN, just like my other buddy Karl Rove, the Architect, and he'll be here to tell you that the Tea Partiers are secret Democrat plants!
Now watch me throw this football!!!
Posted by: HANNITY!!! at July 16, 2011 10:50 AM (so1xa)
Posted by: Rufus at July 16, 2011 02:45 PM (J+D+J)
Bold prediction. Bold. I might even say gutsy.
*have you been paying attention?*
Posted by: Papa Editor at July 16, 2011 10:51 AM (FZZ94)
Posted by: USA at July 16, 2011 10:51 AM (6Cjut)
Posted by: Papa Editor at July 16, 2011 10:52 AM (FZZ94)
An ex-con, trac phone and student loans.... deleted like A,B,C.
Posted by: Journolist at July 16, 2011 10:53 AM (Fb9Q0)
Posted by: nerdygirl at July 16, 2011 10:53 AM (eMPxE)
Posted by: The Donkey Show at July 16, 2011 10:54 AM (ijjAe)
Trucks are manly, too!
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 10:54 AM (piMMO)
Brit humor with some of the same actors.
Never saw it, but I'm liking Hot Fuzz.
Posted by: Clueless at July 16, 2011 10:54 AM (piMMO)
Posted by: CAC, riding high in his 250k mileage Volvo at July 16, 2011 10:54 AM (aGuwm)
*grumble mutter spit*
Posted by: HeatherRadish, Big Game Hunter at July 16, 2011 10:57 AM (0vDuM)
Posted by: sifty at July 16, 2011 10:57 AM (ECjvn)
It's pouring down rain here, for the second time this week, after 14 weeks of drought.
I danced in it.
Posted by: toby928™ at July 16, 2011 11:08 AM (GTbGH)
Yeah, Papa, I been paying 'ttention.
We'll be back at $3.75 to $3.80/gal in a couple of weeks, and that is, definitely, Recession-City.
Posted by: Rufus at July 16, 2011 11:33 AM (J+D+J)
This is how you create the impression in the minds of those not paying careful attention that an abysmal performance is A-OK.
Don't let them get away with this.
Posted by: An Observation at July 16, 2011 12:02 PM (ylhEn)
Don't worry if it hadn't been for our God King Obama America would now have an economy like Haiti.
I think he's wrong only to the extent that he'll achieve this ambition if he is re elected.
Posted by: Molon Labe at July 16, 2011 02:10 PM (g5MrG)
Well that's one that is going to be difficult to defend.
After watching the fudging with unemployment I decided to find a number that works... oddly there is an "employed % of the country" number that is published monthly... which seems easier than bothering with all their unemployment games.
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12300000
Last month? (tied for the) Lowest month on record since July 1983.
But there was an increase before the 2010 election?
Fine, this isn't a seasonally adjusted number, so lets compare each number to the same month in the year prior...
2009 - all decreased numbers from same month 2008.
2010 - December has a 58.3 > 58.2... all the other numbers are below the same month 2009 numbers.
2011 - all the numbers are declining from same month 2010.
Where was this recovery and growing economy? How does that mesh with job losses for every month in a year-over-year analysis?
I guess you can try for the big lie and hope nobody can find the numbers... or maybe call the BLS.gov website "right-wing trickery". If you're going to go with real numbers you have to admit any "growth" you had didn't even meet the population growth numbers, and therefore was so anemic to be unnoticeable.
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