July 22, 2011
— Ace You know what I'm sure is just a coincidence? That Reid picked up the minimum 51 votes to block it.
I don't think that's a coincidence. I think they only wanted 51, because they wanted to permit people like Nelson and Manchin to vote "for" it. I don't know if those guys did vote for it; but in hard votes like this, they usually arrange it so they can vote "for" popular, conservative-friendly measure.
It's fake. It's arranged.
The CCB gets 2-1 support among adults in the newest CNN poll.
And yet the media never once treated it as a viable proposal.
Go figure.
Given than Armageddon is Coming and is Scheduled for August 2nd, don't the Democrats have some obligation to start putting plans and serious offers on the table?
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That's not leadership, nor is it how things are done in Washington!
Posted by: White House SpokesNumbskull at July 22, 2011 07:55 AM (ktytq)
Posted by: Burke at July 22, 2011 07:56 AM (0GumW)
Posted by: Captain Hate at July 22, 2011 07:56 AM (zsvKP)
Posted by: Concealed Kerry or submit at July 22, 2011 07:57 AM (vXqv3)
There were no defections in the Senate.
Obama is too big to fail. They're willing to go all-in with this guy.
Posted by: soothsayer at July 22, 2011 07:57 AM (G/zuv)
Posted by: Roy at July 22, 2011 07:58 AM (VndSC)
Good to see they're taking this seriously.
Posted by: Waterhouse at July 22, 2011 07:58 AM (ktytq)
Good to see they're taking this seriously.
Fucking cowards.
Posted by: mpfs at July 22, 2011 08:00 AM (iYbLN)
Posted by: Drider at July 22, 2011 08:00 AM (uJSfP)
Posted by: Watcher at July 22, 2011 08:00 AM (zALLO)
"WHERE. IS. THEIR. PLAN?"
That's all I want to hear from any GOP spokesmen from here on in.
Posted by: nickless at July 22, 2011 08:02 AM (MMC8r)
Also, Reid said earlier that the Senate will not remain in session this weekend. If something was going to happen, he would ensure they're going to be there.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 22, 2011 08:02 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: nevergiveup at July 22, 2011 08:02 AM (i6RpT)
I'm surprised 2/3 of the people approve of CCB. The MFM is failing at controlling the narrative if that many people are aware of it.
I guess it is re-run season for all the reality shows, so maybe they accidentally turned on the news.
Posted by: Roy at July 22, 2011 08:02 AM (VndSC)
Posted by: kansas at July 22, 2011 08:02 AM (mka2b)
Republicans should remain in DC and the House members should get on the floor and make short speeches.
Say something newsworthy. Defend yourselves and attack the Democrats. Make news.
Posted by: soothsayer at July 22, 2011 08:03 AM (G/zuv)
Posted by: Watcher at July 22, 2011 08:03 AM (zALLO)
Posted by: Dan at July 22, 2011 08:03 AM (mXBxH)
The Senate Dems are largely in three categories: safe, retiring or toast. None of them lend themselves to bucking Obama, at least not yet.
Posted by: Swedish Chef at July 22, 2011 08:03 AM (6rX0K)
It's like Ace said the other day; Obama has no interest in getting this thing done, and no interest in seeing an economic recovery.
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 22, 2011 08:03 AM (zgZzy)
Posted by: President Putt-Putt On Golf Cart One at July 22, 2011 08:04 AM (FcR7P)
Given than Armageddon is Coming and is Scheduled for August 2nd, don't the Democrats have some obligation to start putting plans and serious offers on the table?
You kid! There is a Dilbertism that covers this: it isn't what I've done that's important, it's what I say I've done, and what I say I'll do in the future.
And with a compliant media, that isn't particularly hard.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at July 22, 2011 08:04 AM (1hM1d)
I can't find my magic hat! I never vote without my magic hat! WHO TOOK MY MAGIC HAT? Was it you, Santorum, you bastard?? I WANT MY MAGIC HAT!!
Oh well, might as well go home and sail around in my yacht a little. Ciao, peasants!
Posted by: Senator John Kerry, Reporting For Duty at July 22, 2011 08:04 AM (2PTT7)
don't the Democrats have some obligation to start putting plans and serious offers on the table?
they can't, spending is their addiction and they can not stop. spreading the money to their base is what keeps them there and until the drug of money is removed it will never end.
Posted by: morigu at July 22, 2011 08:05 AM (QXzRP)
Shouldn't that be from Harry Reid?
Posted by: Y-not at July 22, 2011 08:05 AM (5H6zj)
We put forth a full 2012 budget.. rejected by Dem Senate.
We put forth CCB - rejected by Dem Seante.
Fuck 'em. The Repubs need to start talking it up how the Dems are the roadblock here.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 22, 2011 08:05 AM (f9c2L)
"WHERE. IS. THEIR. PLAN?"
That's all I want to hear from any GOP spokesmen from here on in.
Posted by: nickless at July 22, 2011 12:02 PM (MMC8r)
Yep.
Posted by: chazmartel at July 22, 2011 08:05 AM (wlSqE)
Posted by: JackStraw at July 22, 2011 08:05 AM (TMB3S)
If only we had guys who could see this blindingly obvious fact and could craft some sort of strategery to exploit that fact. You know, like bringing up bill after bill that the JEF is against but is popular by 2-1 margins with the American people, forcing the Dems to all vote against it.
I hear there is some magical ideas out there like that.
(balanced budget amendment, school vouchers, repeal of 0bamacare)
Posted by: Jimmuy at July 22, 2011 08:05 AM (sFOv5)
Posted by: Dave C at July 22, 2011 08:06 AM (2lf+r)
Posted by: infidelphia at July 22, 2011 08:06 AM (kKWmw)
I've no evidence, but I suspect someone else might have provided saner leadership.
F---. Nevada.
Posted by: AoSHQ's *second* worst commenter, DarkLord© at July 22, 2011 08:06 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: Senator Mitch McConnell, Pondering the Unponderable at July 22, 2011 08:08 AM (2PTT7)
We should just tear down 'the most deliberative body' since all they do now is have secret meetings at the White House. No need for debates or written plans anymore.
Posted by: The Schwalbe : © at July 22, 2011 08:08 AM (UU0OF)
Posted by: Bob Saget at July 22, 2011 08:08 AM (F/4zf)
I heard yesterday that because our state requires a balanced budget, that we actually will be able to place money into our cash reserves...imagine if our whole country operated that way.
Posted by: Wild Bill at July 22, 2011 08:10 AM (kt5ZI)
Posted by: ParisParamus-Hewitt at July 22, 2011 08:10 AM (bN5ZU)
(balanced budget amendment, school vouchers, repeal of 0bamacare)
Posted by: Jimmuy
The black voter bloc was controlled by Dems long before Obama. Clintons is supposedly the first Black President.
The truth was already uttered by Steny Hoyer: the abiliy to raise taxes is the issue, as is the notion that class warfare and increased spending is actually a good thing.
Posted by: Swedish Chef at July 22, 2011 08:11 AM (326rv)
Posted by: Y-not at July 22, 2011 08:11 AM (5H6zj)
Oh, what are we burying? Your future. Please, no flowers. Send a contribution to the Democratic Party instead! We're taking food stamps now!
Posted by: Senator Harry Reid at July 22, 2011 08:12 AM (2PTT7)
Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant a N.V. (no vote cast), not a vote of No.
Posted by: Y-not at July 22, 2011 08:12 AM (5H6zj)
So today was the drop dead day supposedly for getting a deal. Good. Shut it all down, and do NOT give back pay for those missing out on checks. Let it be a true cut in expenditures, not another paid vacation for federal workers.
Nice dream I'm having there.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 22, 2011 08:12 AM (ENKCw)
In the Senate, there are no BollWeevils or BlueDogs. They are all Commiecrats. Even the RhINOest of RhINOs voted properly.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 22, 2011 08:12 AM (ujg0T)
Frak you, John McCain. How the frak did we nominate this a-hole for POTUS?
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 22, 2011 08:14 AM (zgZzy)
Posted by: CoolCzech at July 22, 2011 08:14 AM (kUaEF)
Posted by: frankg at July 22, 2011 08:14 AM (NlJsJ)
Scratch that. Y-not beat me to it.
Scratch that too. McLame was his usual self. Can't he just retire already and take his Bimbo Wife and Slut Daughter with him?
Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 22, 2011 08:15 AM (ujg0T)
'Can't blame the heat. I blame all the running around I'm doing with the household set up and the fact that my husband is being slightly tortured at work (so he's out of it, too). I kind of have to pick up after him and me and the life stuff.
Posted by: Y-not at July 22, 2011 08:15 AM (5H6zj)
This needs to be said by every Republican every time they go on TV..
"We offered ours, where is there plan? We're the ones leading while everyone else is drinking their slurpee."
Sadly, too many 'R's don't understand messaging.
Posted by: Dave C at July 22, 2011 12:06 PM (2lf+r)
Yeah, which one is the "Party of No" now, bitches?
Posted by: Count de Monet at July 22, 2011 08:15 AM (4q5tP)
Posted by: CoolCzech at July 22, 2011 08:15 AM (kUaEF)
Posted by: grognard at July 22, 2011 08:15 AM (NS2Mo)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 22, 2011 08:15 AM (f9c2L)
Posted by: nevergiveup at July 22, 2011 08:15 AM (i6RpT)
Posted by: CoolCzech at July 22, 2011 08:15 AM (kUaEF)
“Senator Reid’s scramble to vote on this bill a day earlier than previously announced shows that Cut, Cap, and Balance is quickly gaining momentum,” said Rep. Jim Jordan (R., Ohio), chairman of the Republican Study Committee, which was largely responsible for drafting the legislation. “Senate Democrats should stop hiding behind a procedural vote to block a plan with two-to-one support from the American public. So long as it has the support of the American people, Cut, Cap, and Balance remains very much alive.”
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 22, 2011 08:16 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: nevergiveup at July 22, 2011 08:16 AM (i6RpT)
"I got pulled in and they told me, ‘Hey, listen.’ Ah, we were just, or it was actually one specific person, the head of MSNBC. He said, ‘ I was just in Washington and people in Washington tell me that they’re concerned about your tone. … Outsiders are cool. I’d love to be an outsider, but we’re not. We’re the establishment.’ He said, ‘Look, you’ve gotta tone it down.’"
--Sink, Senk, Sunk, whatever
Posted by: soothsayer at July 22, 2011 08:16 AM (G/zuv)
Posted by: Senator John McCain, The Right Choice For A Good Night's Sleep at July 22, 2011 08:16 AM (2PTT7)
Posted by: CoolCzech at July 22, 2011 08:16 AM (kUaEF)
"The goal is to foment enough public discontent, moral confusion, and outright chaos to spark the social upheaval that Marx, Engels, and Lenin predicted"
"A reformation means that the masses of our people have reached the point of disillusionment with past ways and values. They donÂ’t know what will work but they do know that the prevailing system is self-defeating, frustrating, and hopeless. They wonÂ’t act for change but wonÂ’t strongly oppose those who do. The time is then ripe for revolution"
Obama is enjoying watching the place burn down.
Posted by: cherry π at July 22, 2011 08:17 AM (OhYCU)
The Senate voted unanimously on Wednesday to reject a $3.7 trillion budget plan that President Obama sent to Capitol Hill in February.
Ninety-seven senators voted against a motion to take it up.
Posted by: Y-not at July 22, 2011 08:17 AM (5H6zj)
~Speaker Boehner
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 22, 2011 08:17 AM (o2lIv)
By allowing the Media to nominate him for us.
Thank God we won't let that happen again. *cough* Mitt Romney *cough*
Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 22, 2011 08:17 AM (zgZzy)
Welcome to politics--a business that naive conservative dreamers don't seem to understand.
If you want to be entertained, watch FOX, MSNBC, or CNN. If you want real news and analysis, watch LinkTV or FreeSpeechTV.
Posted by: tadcf at July 22, 2011 08:17 AM (Bkq73)
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 22, 2011 08:18 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Jimmuy at July 22, 2011 08:18 AM (sFOv5)
Let us know when that happens.
Posted by: kansas at July 22, 2011 08:18 AM (mka2b)
Posted by: Y-not at July 22, 2011 08:18 AM (5H6zj)
Democrats have some obligation to start putting plans and serious offers on the table?
Not the kind of people who put much stock in concepts like duty or honor or obligation or not-destroy-the-country-for-giggles.
Posted by: Some says at July 22, 2011 08:19 AM (vI8R6)
Posted by: Not Glenn Reynolds at July 22, 2011 08:20 AM (+JC0X)
Olbermann, who is not worthy to wipe Col West's dog's ass, chimed in about the email to the despicable Wasserman woman.
"This was written by a U.S. Congressman, not a high-strung kid who just got off his meds. Just resign, Congressman, you're making a jackass out of yourself, again!"
Posted by: soothsayer at July 22, 2011 08:20 AM (G/zuv)
Posted by: Y-not at July 22, 2011 08:20 AM (5H6zj)
I think Harry's gonna regret his haste on this.
Posted by: nickless at July 22, 2011 08:21 AM (MMC8r)
I wonder what the dems think will happen (to them) if civil society collapses?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at July 22, 2011 08:21 AM (0q2P7)
"...During the course of the week, circumstances have changed. The Speaker of the House and the President have been working to reach agreement on a major deficit-reduction measure. I wish them both very well.”
Because the package under discussion includes tax increases as well as spending cuts, Reid claimed, and due to the Constitutional requirement that all revenue bills originate in the lower chamber, “the path to avert default now runs first to the House of Representatives…We in the Senate must wait for them.”
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 22, 2011 08:21 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at July 22, 2011 08:22 AM (ZDUD4)
Thanks for that coruscating insight. Now fuck off. Back to infesting Stacy McCain's site or Flopping Aces with your drivel; you'll gain no beachhead here.
Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at July 22, 2011 08:22 AM (2PTT7)
Posted by: Jimmuy
I think that you're overstating it. Most Dem AND Republican strategists believe that the black voting bloc is solidly Dem, and evidence of Dem neglect of this bloc is legion. They essentially won't go anywhere else. At worst, they'll stay home.
Posted by: Swedish Chef at July 22, 2011 08:23 AM (6rX0K)
Posted by: Capt. Barky at July 22, 2011 08:23 AM (UOM48)
How about "Dems reject R's extremist plan".
Posted by: kansas at July 22, 2011 08:24 AM (mka2b)
Posted by: DocJ at July 22, 2011 08:24 AM (g8ibn)
A yes Vote and a signature by Barky would have been sweet, but I can live with doing nothing.
What I can't live with is any more "Plans" from the GOP. We offered our plan. Socialists' move.
Posted by: glowing blue meat at July 22, 2011 08:25 AM (K/USr)
Posted by: Coach at July 22, 2011 08:25 AM (ZDUD4)
"This was written by a U.S. Congressman, not a high-strung kid who just got off his meds. Just resign, Congressman, you're making a jackass out of yourself, again!"
Posted by: soothsayer at July 22, 2011 12:20 PM (G/zuv
The DOUCH you say!!
Posted by: dananjcon at July 22, 2011 08:25 AM (8ieXv)
Posted by: glowing blue meat at July 22, 2011 08:26 AM (K/USr)
I like it! You'd have a future in the press business, if we weren't just using random quote generators to write the stories. Hey, anybody know a synonym for 'unexpected'? We're kinda overusing that one recently...........
Posted by: Pinch Sulzberger at July 22, 2011 08:26 AM (2PTT7)
Posted by: Coach at July 22, 2011 08:26 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: cherry π at July 22, 2011 08:27 AM (OhYCU)
FIFY
Posted by: chemjeff at July 22, 2011 08:27 AM (czcue)
Posted by: The Donkey Show at July 22, 2011 08:27 AM (ijjAe)
Posted by: Christine Buck Angle-O'Donnell at July 22, 2011 08:27 AM (f8XyF)
If the Senate passed CCB and Obama signed it, it would've insured Obama's reelection and might have saved the Senate for the Dems.
This was a stupid move for Obama & the Democrats, which means it's good for us in 2012. Because if the Democrats think 2010 was bad for them, wait'll they see 2012.
They learned nothing from 2010. Nothing.
Posted by: soothsayer at July 22, 2011 08:28 AM (G/zuv)
Posted by: CoolCzech at July 22, 2011 08:28 AM (kUaEF)
Posted by: kansas at July 22, 2011 12:24 PM (mka2b)
Now they have to address the fact that they've left the table empty as we close in on their touted Apocalyptic deadline.
Posted by: nickless at July 22, 2011 08:28 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: The Donkey Show at July 22, 2011 08:28 AM (ijjAe)
The fact that she's a well paid anchor instead of a phat ass white girl porn actress defies logic too, but there you have it
Posted by: kbdabear at July 22, 2011 08:29 AM (so1xa)
Posted by: CoolCzech at July 22, 2011 08:29 AM (kUaEF)
One wonders if stupid Obama voters know that is the the same. All they see is CC&B and a yeah vote.
Posted by: Vic at July 22, 2011 08:29 AM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: Jordan at July 22, 2011 08:30 AM (4z6KA)
Posted by: Donna at July 22, 2011 08:30 AM (zanu2)
Posted by: The Norwegian Government at July 22, 2011 08:30 AM (kUaEF)
Posted by: nevergiveup at July 22, 2011 08:31 AM (i6RpT)
Yes, and we know who'll pay for it! Get ready for another scathing resolution, Israel!
Posted by: The European Parliament, Scuffleing Over The Depends Supply at July 22, 2011 08:31 AM (2PTT7)
Posted by: CoolCzech at July 22, 2011 08:31 AM (kUaEF)
Particularly, in light of the measure enjoying a 2-1 favorable poll. I figure "Dingy Harry" hurried the vote to make sure none of his lemmings figured this out.
Posted by: Steve Poling at July 22, 2011 08:32 AM (db5YN)
A five-year prison term was meted out yesterday for a Bayonne man convicted of kidnapping and sexually assaulting his wife, whom he met for the first time at their wedding in Morocco in 2008.
Med Rabah, 31, must also register with authorities under Megan's Law when he is released from prison and he will be supervised for life, Hudson County Assistant Prosecutor Najma Rana said today.
Posted by: The Robot Devil at July 22, 2011 08:32 AM (136wp)
Posted by: BillyBob at July 22, 2011 08:32 AM (F0Pf9)
Bombs going off in Oslo...
... and Fraud Street has been pretty much straight-up for the last 2-hours on less than pathetic volume.
Time for a totally unbacked currency emission from Tiny TurboTax Timmy, folks. It's coming, it's all they have left.
Posted by: DocJ at July 22, 2011 08:33 AM (g8ibn)
Posted by: CoolCzech at July 22, 2011 08:33 AM (kUaEF)
Kabuki theatre? Pffffffff... got nothin' on us.
Shall we mime a strangling economy for you now?
Or perhaps the war between the classes in one act?
Posted by: Renwood Codpiece, Acting Director, US Senate Theatre. at July 22, 2011 08:34 AM (tk5O7)
Posted by: Jordan
Cause that's how a constitutional Republic works. A bottle of booze and a foul odor confer and magic is made.
Posted by: Swedish Chef at July 22, 2011 08:34 AM (6rX0K)
Eyewitnesses told the AP that a man dressed as a police officer has fired several shots at Utøya in Buskerud. AP spoke with one of those who were on Utoya where there is an AUF event with over 700 people.
"Suddenly, we heard lots of shooting. People had to run and hide. We have been told to get off the island."
Posted by: cherry π at July 22, 2011 08:34 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Mr 3000 at July 22, 2011 08:34 AM (lRqIF)
Posted by: The Donkey Show at July 22, 2011 08:34 AM (ijjAe)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose at July 22, 2011 12:21 PM (0q2P7)
Nothing. They are the children. They act as if civilization is not their responsibility. That's what the Republicans are supposed to do. They're supposed to smoke pot, eat cheetos, play MMORGs and complain that they don't make enough money.
Posted by: AmishDude at July 22, 2011 08:34 AM (T0NGe)
Posted by: Jon in TX at July 22, 2011 08:36 AM (lRqIF)
This needs to be said by every Republican every time they go on TV..
"We offered ours, where is there plan? We're the ones leading while everyone else is drinking their slurpee."
Sadly, too many 'R's don't understand messaging.
Posted by: Dave C at July 22, 2011 12:06 PM (2lf+r)
. . . "and just wants to eat their waffles." Can we just keep posting this on every web site Al Gore created, from now until the end of time or until Harry Reid no longer troubles our tender sensibilities? Please? Time to (metaphorically) beat the Democrats about the (metaphorical) head and shoulders with this (metaphorical) club until they (metaphorically) scream for mercy. Actually, the screaming part can be for real, I think.
Posted by: filbert at July 22, 2011 08:37 AM (smvTK)
Posted by: The Donkey Show at July 22, 2011 08:37 AM (ijjAe)
Posted by: Jordan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JugHUSSp4cPosted by: nickless at July 22, 2011 08:37 AM (MMC8r)
Europe will be the Third World within a generation.
America will be the Third World shortly thereafter.
American radical feminists will be raped and forcibly bred by Muslims, forced into bhurkas, and never be seen in public again.
See!! It ain't ALL Gloom & Doom!Posted by: CoolCzech at July 22, 2011 08:38 AM (kUaEF)
- Bristol
Posted by: cherry ð at July 22, 2011 12:24 PM (OhYCU)
Now they tell me.
Posted by: Anthony's Weiner at July 22, 2011 08:38 AM (NCw5u)
Posted by: willow at July 22, 2011 12:35 PM (h+qn
My advice to you is to begin drinking heavily.
Posted by: ErikW at July 22, 2011 08:41 AM (Y3zM5)
Alinsky commands them them ...
"organizers must be entirely unpredictable and unmistakably willing -- for the sake of the moral principles in whose name they claim to act -- to watch society descend into utter chaos and anarchy. He stated that they must be prepared, if necessary, to “go into a state of complete confusion and draw [their] opponent into the vortex of the same confusion."
Posted by: cherry π at July 22, 2011 08:41 AM (OhYCU)
better than flailing my arms in the air, which i also want to do.
Posted by: willow at July 22, 2011 08:42 AM (h+qn8)
Boehner sounds dedicated to getting as many concessions as he possibly can out of Obama and the conference will hold him accountable by thoroughly reviewing everything he brings to them. The majority whip says he's not going to rush anything.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 22, 2011 08:42 AM (o2lIv)
"This was written by a U.S. Congressman, not a high-strung kid who just got off his meds. Just resign, Congressman, you're making a jackass out of yourself, again!"
Spoken by a true high strung kid who's off his meds.
Olbie, fuck you.
Posted by: © Sponge at July 22, 2011 08:42 AM (UK9cE)
Posted by: CoolCzech at July 22, 2011 08:42 AM (kUaEF)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at July 22, 2011 08:43 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: yinzer at July 22, 2011 08:43 AM (/Mla1)
Posted by: tommylotto at July 22, 2011 08:44 AM (oHIHU)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at July 22, 2011 08:44 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: willow at July 22, 2011 08:45 AM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at July 22, 2011 12:43 PM (ZDUD4)
Where is the Republican failure here? The problem is the decrepit scarecrow Harry Reid. Third party will simply keep him there.
Posted by: nickless at July 22, 2011 08:46 AM (MMC8r)
Posted by: Drider at July 22, 2011 08:48 AM (uJSfP)
Srsly, is it as bad as it seems?
Posted by: willow at July 22, 2011 12:38 PM (h+qn
No, it's an artificial deadline. The USA has enough revenue to service our debt. This is about spending more and raising taxes.
Posted by: The Robot Devil at July 22, 2011 08:48 AM (136wp)
thank you for answering.
Posted by: willow at July 22, 2011 08:51 AM (h+qn8)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at July 22, 2011 08:53 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 22, 2011 08:54 AM (UlUS4)
Posted by: tommylotto at July 22, 2011 08:55 AM (oHIHU)
I wish I had an answer for that, I really do. It depends on whether he wants to triangulate or go the other route. This is one reason why I wish they would just finish this now instead of waiting until the market reacts. But we do have hope in that the House Rs have been solid thus far and are holding Boehner accountable along the way. The probability of eventually coming to an agreement is high, but it looks like the Rs will try to get as much out of it as they can.
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 22, 2011 08:59 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Jeff at July 22, 2011 09:00 AM (A3tpD)
Go figure.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at July 22, 2011 12:54 PM (UlUS4)
The irony is that leftists are who the ROP hates the most. They're also the easiest to take advantage of. It's going to be a disaster eventually, once the Muslim numbers swell even more in Norway and other such places.
Posted by: yinzer at July 22, 2011 09:00 AM (/Mla1)
Posted by: Drider at July 22, 2011 09:06 AM (uJSfP)
It would not have been a deadline if the Treasury started prioritizing a few months ago, but the administration is playing brinksmanship with the economy. Don't let a crisis go to waste, and if you don't have a crisis, manufacture one.
Rep. Ryan and some other fiscal cons (e.g., Rep. John Campbell) have said we'll be running 50-50 around the middle of next month, or so it was last week. He believes we're just buying time now (until a downgrade and austerity).
Posted by: '80sBaby at July 22, 2011 09:07 AM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at July 22, 2011 09:17 AM (e8kgV)
"The goal is to foment enough public discontent, moral confusion, and outright chaos to spark the social upheaval that Marx, Engels, and Lenin predicted"
Yeah, but apparently Alinsky hadn't noticed that the last time they tried this crap the social upheaval began in beer halls, the denizens of which soon began looking for Alinsky and his comrades.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at July 22, 2011 09:20 AM (itp8C)
Nice dream I'm having there.
Posted by: GnuBreed at July 22, 2011 12:12 PM (ENKCw)
I can think of 51 checks we can cancel right off the bat. Say, that is a nice dream!
Table it--no. It flushes it down the old crapper
Posted by: nevergiveup at July 22, 2011 12:16 PM (i6RpT)
Your message and your moniker seem to be at odds with one another.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at July 22, 2011 09:44 AM (f4gk9)
Posted by: kbdabear at July 22, 2011 12:29 PM (so1xa)
FIFY
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde at July 22, 2011 09:54 AM (f4gk9)
didn't read all the comments, so apologies if someone else already had this thought:
'Cut, Cap & Balance' reminds me too much of 'Dodge, Dip, Duck, Dive and Dodge' anyway
Posted by: the Butcher at July 22, 2011 09:56 AM (8g9qq)
Dick Morris' strategy seems sound to me. He posted this vid in April http://tinyurl.com/3dbbm3q , and I heard him repeat it on either Hannity or O'Reilly a couple nights ago, updated to fit current circumstances.
Basically, it calls for the House to pass a bill that says, in essence, "If agreement is not reached on the debt limit, any incoming tax revenues must be first allocated to service interest on the debt. Remainder must next go to pay salaries of active military personnel. Any remaining after that must go to fund outgoing social security checks...etc."
Send THAT to the Senate and dare them to defeat it, and Obama to veto it. He believes it would force the Senate and WH to stop holding the country's credit rating hostage, and from scaremongering old people about their means of livlihood, Oh, and show the country that that's exactly what they've been doing all along. How would the media be able to spin that?
Posted by: EyeTest at July 22, 2011 10:16 AM (ReC4P)
CCB shouldn't and cannot be the end, it has to be just the beginning. If we can cut and restructure, and grow by removing the burdensome regulatory structure as well as enticing money on the sidelines into action, we can get the debt under control.
Unfortunately, those are all huge if's, and the Dems dont give a fuck if we get downgraded, as they believe it will allow them to exert even greater control over our money and lives. Repubs are nearly as bad, because they are as likely to push crony capitalism and cheap labor against us too. Part of this gets back to the "control" of the Senate by selecting candidates who can actually win their race but who also have to but ones who will support our agenda, unlike say the Bobsey Twins from Maine, amongst others. Hell, even Cornyn is a bit of a squish, but generally manageable.
Posted by: Jon in TX at July 22, 2011 10:19 AM (lRqIF)
Posted by: dscott at July 22, 2011 12:45 PM (gaD9p)
Posted by: Molon Labe at July 22, 2011 01:30 PM (g5MrG)
1) They are counting 1 Trillion from the assumed end of the Iraq/Afgan Wars- so double counting
2) Another 1 Trillion in “descrestoinary” spending? Sounds like bullshit to me
3) And the rest is mostly number tricks with how you count.
That's why they can't stand Murdoch, not becuase of any lapses in judgment in the UK case.
Posted by: Decaf at July 23, 2011 02:55 AM (XUoX3)
There, it works both ways.
Posted by: Decaf at July 23, 2011 04:36 AM (XUoX3)
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