1 Bellwether, baby!  Where's ergie?

2

Greg will be here to say OMGZ doom.

Though we should not have lost this seat. This was just fucking stupid.

We lose big in the Wisconsin Recalls, and I will start really worrying.

But this holds about as much of a canary in the coal mine, when you look at house special elections, as the 2009 specials did for 2010.

3 COD cost us this just like the Senate in November. Now if you'll excuse me, I've got to go teach 10-year-olds to fap or the christianist have won.

4 Is Pelosi measuring the drapes?

5

This was the moment the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.

6 eh. NY is hopeless. It'll be up to the smarter states to save them from themselves.  Again.

7 Honeybadger and me don't give a shit.NY is alost cause like California.

8 Attention Republican douchetools who fuck around with scandal: unless your governor is also GOP and can appoint a replacement, don;t fucking resign!  When did a shitbird Democrat reign on the spot after his bullshit?

I don't remember either.

The asshole operatives of the Demotards want to expose your stupid hijinks --but if you stop resigning like chicken shits, they'll stop profiting!

/venting

9 NY loses 2 of these tools next time around.  That should help the other 49 states tremendously.

10 meh 18 month seat for a dem in the minority. this is probably one of the two seats NY is losing from everything I hear around here.

11 Yeah, I think the fake Tea candidate cost the Republican the election but it would have been a squeaker.

12

New Yorkers are just a bunch of inbred retards and I put that nicely. Seriously ace, you should move out.

We wont win NY in 2012 anyway. I hope the candidate in 2012 will fight back against a lot of the status quo of entitlements

13 As far as the Dems crowing over this I would remind them the winner did not get 50% of the vote.

14

Posted by: whorebetweentheundeadstates at May 24, 2011 10:44 PM (wPxqH)

fuck you asshole

15 5

This was the moment the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal.>>>>>>>>

Took long enough.

16

Posted by: CAC at May 24, 2011 10:43 PM (qcEjf)

yeah i'm waiting for him to come and cheer on the Dems while claiming he's a righty like us

17 All the concerned Republicans are all over the political sites saying this is purely a referendum on the Republican budget when there are too many factors in this particular race. From what I've read these last few weeks, the blame is more on the part of the NY Republican Party for the lousy way they managed this campaign, and some blame also lies with Corwin. Hochul was simply better on overall messaging and presentation and she and Davis threw everything they had at Corwin. The GOP poured money in there and tried to fight but they started far too late and they focused on the wrong things. 

18 I'm afraid that Jane Corwin's loss in the most heavily Republican district in New York accelerates a trend I saw coming with the near-win of Kloppenberg.  Obama and the Democrats are going to be a force to be reckoned with next year and there's nothing we can do about it.

The man got bin Laden, for God's sake.  Game.  Set.  Match.  Meanwhile, the American people HATE Paul Ryan and his plan and are going to take it out on everyone with an "R" behind their names from now until next November.

You all know how these off-year New York special congressional elections are bellwethers of the coming election cycle.  NY-23 was when Bill Owens took it in 2009, resulting in a 2010 election cycle that could not by any definition be called a wave for the GOP.

The public loves Obama, they're rallying around Democrats everywhere in America, and everyone had just better get used to it.

19 If this happened in, say, Oklahoma, I'd be pissed.  It happened in NY.  So, I'm not pissed.  The Pubs still rule the House, and they might even take the Senate next year.  This election doesn't change a thing.   

20 New York is fucking hopeless.

21

Posted by: Greg at May 24, 2011 10:59 PM (FYCiJ)

please tell me this is a sock

22 The public loves Obama, they're rallying around Democrats everywhere in America, and everyone had just better get used to it.

Posted by: Greg at May 24, 2011 10:59 PM (FYCiJ) >>>>>>

LOL!!!  Nice try....

23 14 As far as the Dems crowing over this I would remind them the winner did not get 50% of the vote.

Too late. They're rubbing their hands with glee about how something as cheap and dirty as Mediscare won them the election. Their advice for the Rs is to drop Medicare reform and shun Ryan, though they say they'll be running Mediscare ads from here until November 2012.

24

please tell me this is a sock

Posted by: YRM (Go Bolts...Or Canucks If Bruins Win Tomm) at May 24, 2011 11:01 PM (UzBwz) >>>>>>

I hope it's a sock.  It's too damn funny to be real.

25 As a side note, reading the sidebar, I am starting to grow on this Pawlenty fella.

26 looked it up, sock; I was ready to destroy that comment

27

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at May 24, 2011 11:02 PM (ldUCK)

dude thread below us, that's where it's at

28 The public loves Obama, they're rallying around Democrats everywhere in America, and everyone had just better get used to it.

Posted by: Greg at May 24, 2011 10:59 PM (FYCiJ)

LOL! Def a sock

29 They won by Jack Davis's margin, you would think it was double that, with Ian Murphy's astroturfed bogus site

30
The public loves Obama, they're rallying around Democrats everywhere in America, and everyone had just better get used to it.

Posted by: Greg at May 24, 2011 10:59 PM (FYCiJ)

Gee Greg, it's great when you suck my cock, but let's not go overboard with this fawning adulation.  Let's keep the dick sucking a secret between us girls.

31 Too late. They're rubbing their hands with glee about how something as cheap and dirty as Mediscare won them the election. Their advice for the Rs is to drop Medicare reform and shun Ryan, though they say they'll be running Mediscare ads from here until November 2012.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at May 24, 2011 11:02 PM (CLYmB) >>>>>>

 

Nah, I don't buy it.  The Dems are all spin at this point.  This is NY.  And it's local politics.  It could all be simple retribution against a Republican douchebag who made a fool of himself on Craigslist.  At some point, the breakdown of the voting trends for this race will be released.  We'll see if Republicans turned out or stayed home. 

32 NY26-- Not A Referendum on Medicare, But on Conservatives Who Can't Defend Conservative Principles

I'd say Corwin's messaging was ineffective on more than one issue. She was on the defensive for much of the campaign, including the debate.

33 wow this thread died quick

34 31 Nah, I don't buy it.  The Dems are all spin at this point.  This is NY.  And it's local politics.  It could all be simple retribution against a Republican douchebag who made a fool of himself on Craigslist.  At some point, the breakdown of the voting trends for this race will be released.  We'll see if Republicans turned out or stayed home.

I don't buy it either but that's now the narrative and the political scientists are predicting the House Rs will find a way to soften that original budget vote. What they're missing is that messaging has been and remains a difficulty for the GOP, regardless of the issue. Yes, they were effective during the last campaign but it's not good enough. The Dems are just better at messaging and they have the entire media complex on their side. Maybe the playing field wouldn't be so uneven if the Rs collectively tried their hands at offensive. Instead, they'll likely take the wrong message from this and agree with the MFM.

35 According to the MFM the 2010 election results in no way had anything to do with the American people being unhappy with Barry and his policies but this one election shows a total repudiation of the entire Republican party.

36 yeah, this just about pegs my giveashit meter.

37 This is how exuberant they are:

benpolitico 17 minutes ago A Dem notes: Paul Ryan, who cut his teeth in politics working for Jack Kemp, just lost his district.

If he is going to lose, he started sliding after he backed Walker. But this wild speculation sounds like more of a fantasy than anything else. The Dems are over-the-moon right now and they've gone wild with predictions tonight.

38 38 Nevermind. I completely misread the quote. But it's still not true that Ryan lost the race for Corwin.

39 They always need third parties, don't they?

They always need third parties.

40

Well, I did my part, but it wasn't good enough.

Word is, Corwin won by a little in the 5 rural counties, lost by a little in Niagara Co, and lost by about her margin of defeat in the parts of northeastern Erie Co (suburbs of heavily-Democratic Buffalo). So it was the same damn fools in Erie Co who always elect Democrats, even as the economy has constantly declined for decades, and people migrate away to make a living.

As far as next time 'round, I think Republicans just barely control the state senate, so I'm not sure how that works for the gerrymandering. Like I said, the City of Buffalo has lost (or at least not gained) population, so the heavily Democratic districts in Buffalo may shrink and leave some on the surrounding ones more vulnerable to Republicans. But I don't really know.

To add to the gloom and doom, though, just think how my fellow native Buffalonians who have fled because Democrats have destroyed the local economy are coming to YOUR state to infect it with their poison as well. They're like locusts.

41 Most of the last county, Genesee, just came in and it's official. the Fake Tea candidate cost Corwin the election. Without Davis Corwin wins by at least 1% IMHO. Cockholsters.

42 42 Most of the last county, Genesee, just came in and it's official. the Fake Tea candidate cost Corwin the election. Without Davis Corwin wins by at least 1% IMHO. Cockholsters.

So fake libertarianism really is that convincing.

43 42 Most of the last county, Genesee, just came in and it's official. the Fake Tea candidate cost Corwin the election. Without Davis Corwin wins by at least 1% IMHO. Cockholsters.

Posted by: Rocks at May 24, 2011 11:45 PM (th0op)

Maybe more.  Third party candidates tend to muddy the waters and a "two against one" situation is set up against the Republican.  It's what happened to George HW Bush. He had attacks from the left and right and everybody who had a beef against him one way or the other had someplace to go.

44

Oh, some of Hochol's messaging sounded pretty lame to me, but maybe others are clueless enough to buy it.

They said, for example, that the budget plan Corwin was for would add $8T to the national debt over 10 years. If you had a clue, you would do the math, say "Hey, that's $0.8T/yr, which would cut the deficit in half!"

Hochol also said she would cut "wasteful spending, starting with money we send to countries who don't support us, like Pakistan". Again, if you had a clue you'd know that eliminating "wasteful spending" could never possibly be enough to make a difference, that she wasn't likely to do it anyway, that foreign aid doesn't amount to squat, that Pakistan does help us out some for the money we send them, which is a fraction of a percent of the deficit.

But, again, that's if you had a clue.

Beyond that, Hochol was not nearly as attractive or well-spoken as Corwin, seemed kinda bitchy/snarky, to me, in comparison, and Corwin had a lot of ads with Hochol praising the wonderful job that Nancy Pelosi has done.

45

42 Most of the last county, Genesee, just came in and it's official. the Fake Tea candidate cost Corwin the election. Without Davis Corwin wins by at least 1% IMHO. Cockholsters.

I'm not so sure. As an article I saw a day or two ago showed, as Davis lost ground, the D gained more ground than the R. His ads were all about protectionism - keeping jobs in the US. Would that appeal to a Tea Partier? I wouldn't think so, but I could be wrong.

Were there some people who only looked at the "Tea Party" indicator on the ballot? Well, I suppose that's possible, but you'd kind of have to live under a rock to be unaware of that scam. I was getting at least a half-dozen political calls a day, and there were endless TV ads.

46 44 Maybe more.  Third party candidates tend to muddy the waters and a "two against one" situation is set up against the Republican.  It's what happened to George HW Bush. He had attacks from the left and right and everybody who had a beef against him one way or the other had someplace to go.

All I can think of is that it was supposedly a top guy in her campaign who staged that video of Davis, and maybe that made her look like a dirty trickster, although that's ironic, considering that Davis was a Tea Party impersonator.

Basically, the local TV and the major newspaper (owned by Warren Buffet, even) are heavily liberal, so I'm sure that didn't help. I don't think she was well-known. Come to think of it, the media would sometimes refer to "Tea Party candidate Jack Davis" so maybe he did get away with that scam, that way.

47 The real Greg here...

Fake Tea Party candidate or not, the race was lost due to Paul Ryan and nobody else.  Each and every Republican will now be held accountable as to whether they support or oppose his budget.

48 Yeah, Gerg, if the Ryan plan or something like it isn't passed, it all goes down the crapper.  Medicare, Social Security, all of it.

And you guys want to fund PBS so that you can have seniors "die quickly".

49 "Yeah, Gerg, if the Ryan plan or something like it isn't passed, it all goes down the crapper.  Medicare, Social Security, all of it."

I never said it wasn't a good idea, just that it was politically stupid when it would never pass anyhow.  All it did was give the Dems the needed ammo to win back the House.

50

Hey Greg. 

Go lick a dick.

That's the level of response you deserve. 

51

The NY GOP sucks? Well, that's what happens when there are three parties.

Everyone knows that the real, and true, and the truest of the true real cons are part of the NY conservative party just like Sean Hannity.

Victory for third parties!!! The real Tea Party!!! and all the true rebel insurgents who will destroy the RINO GOP once and for all.

Hey, at least this this chick wont for John Boehner, that fuckface.

 

52

If Corwin (R) had gotten 3/4 of Davis's votes, with the other 1/4 to the (D), it would have been about tied. I'm not sure that would have happened, if Davis hadn't run. Even with ALL his votes, Corwin would have only been about 2400 ahead.

This is a solidly Republican district - it wasn't about Davis (the fake Tea Party guy). A Republican should be winning by a significant margin.

Oh, and to make things worse, Corwin spent about 2-1/2 times as much as the (D). Davis spent almost as much, and self-financed the whole amount.

Unless you want to buy that independents are worried about Medicare (who knows?), I'd go with the theory that Corwin and Davis both looked bad over the video clip incident, where Davis was caught apparently assaulting a reporter, and it later came out that it was some high up in Corwin's campaign. Sometime before that, Corwin was somewhat ahead, and Davis had 25% (vs. the 9% he ended up with).

53 Oh, last dismal thought (I hope): Corwin was one of those successful business people that we need more of in Congress. The (D) is a long time politician with a record of raising taxes whose current job is Erie County Clerk (Buffalo's county).

54 Just caught the top of the hour headlines via Fox News Radio, and they said almost exactly what Ace said about this being a referendum and a weather vane for the 2012 election. Should be all the MSM rage tomorrow!

55 2010: Democrat 54,307 Republican 151,449
2011: Democrat 48,530 Republican 43,836

Lee: Erie 72% Genesee 79% Livingston 74% Monroe 71% Niagara 75% Orleans 78% Wyoming 81%
Corwin: Erie 39% Genesee 45% Livingston 47% Monroe 45% Niagara 39% Orleans 47% Wyoming 51%

Six months later, the Republican dropped 33% in Erie, 34% in Genesee, 27% in Livingston, 36% in Niagara, 31% in Orleans, and 30% in Wyoming.  That is not all attributable to a nuisance candidate in the single digits.

56 Forgettaboutit Drew, its New York

57 All this occurred in 2007 for the 2008 election. Why is it just ow coming up for prosecution?  Is 4 years the average time if you are a Republican?

58 Oops wrong thread.

59

Yes the spin is in now

The Hill is always glad to print the sin from the commies

Democrat Kathy Hochul pulled off a victory in New York's special election Tuesday in a race that had been cast as a referendum on the GOP's Medicare proposal.

Independent candidate Jack Davis, a former Democrat who ran on the Tea Party line, garnered 8 percent.

No mention that this was a fake Tea Party candidate and that 8% was a virtual illegal candidate.

"TonightÂ’s election result is not just a victory for Congresswoman-Elect Kathy Hochul, itÂ’s a victory for the residents of Western New York and for Americans who believe that our elected leaders should fight to protect Medicare and ensure that our government works for our seniors, working families and young people," Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz said in a statement.

“There are two reasons we won tonight. Kathy Hochul is a great candidate and a Western New Yorker through and through. And New Yorkers of all political persuasions do not want to destroy Medicare. This election was a strong referendum on both," Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) said.

Chucky cheese head there is one reason and only one reason you "won". It's called fraud.

60 Italic fail

61 Compare that story above to this headline on the same page

'Clean' vote on debt limit set to trap Dems

Yeah, no bias there.

62 Voters always get what they deserve - good and hard.

63 Listened to some radio up there today with my droid.
In the news rollers, or those quick 60 seconds of news they rolled between commercials, they mentioned the election twice.

The first one they mentioned the "Tea Party" candidate first, getting his name out there... then went on to mentioned the favorite who is a democrat, the republican, and finally the green candidate.

The second one they talked about how the election was a clear referendum on the GOP budget proposal and the Ryan plan. 

This was a set up from the start.

64 Washington Times continues the meme:

Democrat Kathy Hochul pulled off a stunning, come-from-behind victory Tuesday night in New YorkÂ’s 26th Congressional District in a race that was billed as a proxy fight over the GOPÂ’s plans to change Medicare.

Get that plug in there

But the race started going south for Mrs. Corwin after she announced her support for the Ryan plan. Mrs. Hochul pounced on the announcement, attacking Mrs. CorwinÂ’s stance, while vowing to protect seniors by ensuring the survival of Medicare and Social Security.

And even worse that "The Hill" there is zero mention of the fake Tea Party asshole.

65 Washington Post is virtually identicle

Erie County Clerk Kathy Hochul won a House special election in western New York on Tuesday night, a Democratic triumph in a conservative district that many regarded a referendum on House RepublicansÂ’ efforts to reform Medicare.

And the fake Tea Party asshole is an "independent" there.

66 Note:

With 90 percent of precincts reporting, Hochul had 48 percent of the vote. State Assemblywoman Jane Corwin (R) had 42 percent, with independent candidate Jack Davis running a distant third with 9 percent.

If this election had been in SC they would have to do a "run-off" because no candidate got 50% of the vote. That is how you fix stupid fraud like this,

67 Here's something the GOP could run on. The Obamacare corruption.

68 GOP political strategy:  Ready, shoot, aim.  

Aye, and do he fantail little for go down? 

69 The main loudmouth conservative radio talk show host here in Buffalo, Sandy Beach, supported Hochul because she's supposedly strong and independent. He was saying how she could do a better job than Corwin standing up to those in Washington. He was getting a lot of negative calls...

I usually enjoy listening to Sandy, but man, what a dumbass he was on this.

70

Davis began with 23% of vote.  Refugees broke 5:1 for the Dimmi.

And GOP goons blame the TEA party inbred reprobates for the loss.

Keep it up azzlappers.

71 As someone that had to listen to more about this stupid race than anyone, the blame goes solely on the GOP for blowing this one. NY-26 is specifically gerrymandered to include the old, rich, lily white northern suburbs of Buffalo and western suburbs of Rochester. Corwin immediately going along with Ryan's plan, basically admitting she didn't read it, was a BIG mistake.

The laughable Davis "punching" incident was the final kick in the pants for Corwin. Whoever thought that was a good idea needs to be fired.

Generic (R) is highly likely to win whatever similarly misshapen mass this district will be in '13, so don't hate NY too much, morons.

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