1 Pave the Moon.

2

Public works = Endless "studies" that take tax payer money and fund more corrupt democrat cronies.

Rachel Maddow is fine with it.

3 O/T: Cain. Fourth accuser. Aldred Representing. Statement in a little while. DRUDGE.

4

Remember, during Clinton's term (or possibly before), the main argument against opening ANWR was that it would take 10-15 years before we'd see any oil?

While part of that has to do with surveying, transport, and construction, my guess is that if it opened up now, it'd take even longer with all the paperwork and studies that would be required.

Like after the BP spill moratorium in the Gulf of Mexico.  Sure, the moratorium is lifted in theory, but based on the hoops one has to jump through, it doesn't really matter.

5 One World Trade Center (Freedom Tower) is a lot further along than shown in that year-old photo. According to the WTC website: "Steel is currently at the 83rd floor, 1000 feet above grade. Curtain wall is up to the 58th floor and the application of fireproofing is complete on the 65th floor." Here is a more recent photo.

6
Obama's all about the process.

Oh yeah, and he's a Stuttering Clusterf*k of a Miserable Failure.

7 I was also going to say 1 WTC was further along. Watch the show "Rebuilding Ground Zero". It's still excrutiatingly slow. Its been ten years, they should have been done years ago. Watching the show though is a perfect example of what you're saying though. Just looking at all the meeting and groups affiliated with the construction - ridiculous.

8

OT, but re my thoughts posted in the lower, mostly dead thread. I believe Newt and Cain are going to try and sell themselves as a package deal.

Right now...they are making a joint appearance on Boortz.

9 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

10 http://www.wtc.com/

11 Too many people see the milestones of a process to be signs of progress.  I work for a guy like that.  He has no clue what I do or how I do it.  As long as I submit a progress report for him to put in a manila folder each Monday, he's happy.

12 I believe Newt and Cain are going to try and sell themselves as a package deal.

I would actually be okay with that.  Newt has all the policy chops that Cain doesn't, and Cain has all the charisma that Newt lost somewhere (probably in a divorce settlement).

13 To pick an example from my neck of the woods, the TVA had its first dam filled within 18 months of the TVA ActÂ’s passage.

Actually the TVA stuff is a bad example because FDR cooped that project to begin with. It was a private project which he took over. That is why it only took a short time for the first dam.

14 It's a shame and a scandal that the WTC hasn't already been replaced with the tallest building in the world.

15 I am a package deal myself ... IYKWIMAITYD ...

16

Will the Freedom Tower affect the Detla Smelt? If so, we should shut down construction immediately.

 

we can't even move forward on the goddamn Keystone Oil Pipeline.

We suck

17 We Enviro-weenies and the EPA suck

Who's this "we" Kemosabe?

18 The problem with public works is you deny capital to private industry. All the money expended on ex-KKK Byrd's tribute buildings was confiscated from taxpayers.

19
Skyscrapercity actually has another thread that has more update pictures:

http://goo.gl/XE0eA

20 I got a package of chocolate right here.

21 Our population is shrinking because we can't make enough kids.  All our roads and projects take decades.  The government can't handle natural disasters.

Western Civilization has become so sophisticated it doesn't work anymore.

22

Public works = Endless "studies" that take tax payer money and fund more corrupt democrat cronies.

The Seattle area is notorious for "studies" before doing a project. I don't know how many "studies" have been done on replacing one of the bridges and they are just now sort of starting work on it. Same with replacing the viaduct.

And even when a decision is made to do something, the implementation gets delayed because of "equipment problems" or stuff like that.

23

At least we have President Obama.  

Undeniable proof that we can still make BIG mistakes.

24 I'd comment, but I'm too busy filling out a 29 page building permit application and ordering a $2500 check for "review fee" escrow on a $9000.00 installation job that scarcely qualifies as "construction'. I hope we quoted the right version of the IBC on the drawings, and used the right structural standard, and contractors insurance is in the right amount, and teh federal and state environmental and historic compliance work is satisfactory, and the minor change doesn't require full-blown zoning process...

25
BTW - In that tread, poster Chapelo put up some of his pictures from offices inside the twin towers pre-911.

Cubicle farms. Office workers prairie dogging over the walls.

Looks so -- normal.

http://goo.gl/sZPO7

26 Look at what's going with fucking high speed rail in this country.  They can't even figure out where the fucking tracks should be laid down or even which cities end up getting a station.

FUCKING FAIL!

27 Hoiman Gain pretty much done to toasty crispness now...

28

And why does it take so darn long to finish projects anyway? There's a road by the school that they added a "mixed use path" to, they waited until the beginning of the school year to start the project, and it has taken them 3 months to finish adding a dirt trail to the side of the road, it's only about 4 blocks long.  

The corruption, delays, and bad work go all the way down to individual city level. It's inherent in the beast that is government now I think.

29 The government can't handle natural disasters.

I would suggest the second of your points, at least, stems from the fact the government attempts to handle natural disasters in the first place.  Maybe if the government got back in the business it was supposed to be in (maintaining a steady and just regulatory environment, seeing to needed infrastructure to enable trade (and that not necessarily at the Federal level), providing for the National Defense, etc.), and spent less time trying to handle natural disasters, those roads wouldn't take so long to build.

30 "Demosclerosis"  depends on the circumstances.  With Kelo on the books, developers with a hook into some hot stimulus cash and with some local pols on speed dial can tear down an entire neighborhood in a NYM.  Building something to replace the demolished buildings requires a lot more effort, apparently, and more money.

31 It took something like 6 years to build the original WTC.

32 "U.S. renews financial aid to Palestinians after UN statehood row Chairman of House Foreign Affairs Committee says funds are national security interests of the United States and that Israel does object to the assistance." Oh boy way to get tough with them. I bet they learned their lesson now ha?

33 My son's school wanted to add a track - just a path really. The project was quoted at $900,000!!!! needless to say we aren't doing it. nearly a mil for a gravel path?!?!

34 Northern Japan will be completely rebuilt, inhabited, and productive before that damn Freedom Tower is finished.

35 31 It took something like 6 years to build the original WTC.

And they built two of them...

36 >>>Hoiman Gain pretty much done to toasty crispness now...

I would have thought that prior to the weird anticlimax of Friday's non-statement statement by the accuser, but even though I'm personally inclined to believe that Cain IS guilty -- that there is at least SOME 'there' there -- I think a lot of people are swinging towards the "this was all some bullshit" because of the accuser's failure to come forward and subject herself to becoming a conservative pinata.

Meanwhile, no matter how credible the allegations from this FOURTH accuser are (people, we're up to #4 now...are all four making something up?), the association with Gloria Allred is pretty much going to sink her from the start.  Hell, even *I* feel that way, sorta...fuck that ambulance chasing scrunt.

37 My son's school wanted to add a track - just a path really.

You know, there was a time they would have been able to ask the parents to show up with hoes, rakes, and shovels, and get the whole thing done (probably in one weekend) for just the cost of materials.

38 Northern Japan will be completely rebuilt, inhabited, and productive before that damn Freedom Tower is finished.

But, but... the chocolate city has been rebuilt into a model city, right? oh.

39 The Keystone pipeline is another good example. If the delays go on long enough, then Canada (with China's help) will just build a pipeline to the Pacific. Those idiots protesting in DC think that stopping Keystone will stop the oil sands extraction; it will just flow in a different direction is all.
 
I wonder if anyone has tried explaining that to them.

40 So are we saying we want to build a bridge to somewhere?

41
is it true that her harassment is based on a knock-knock joke?

42 Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix,  at November 07, 2011 11:24 AM (K7Gb2)

It took six years because the original site was a mess. They had to excavate a huge amount of material (they built Battery Park City on the fill). They had to build retaining walls to keep the harbor water out, they had to build subway and PATH stations, and then they had to build a foundation for the largest buildings in the world. And then they had to build the largest buildings in the world.

43

The corruption, delays, and bad work go all the way down to individual city level. It's inherent in the beast that is government now I think.

Posted by: ParanoidStillAGirlInSeattle at November 07, 2011 11:24 AM (RZ8pf)

There is a small bridge over a creek on a residential road near me.  They had to make the road one lane to work on the bridge....since last March.  They are still working on it.  Every time I go by there is one guy working on something and two sitting and watching him.

44
O/T: Cain. Fourth accuser. Aldred Representing. Statement in a little while. DRUDGE.






Allred: pink suit, black buttons. Bank on it.

45 Posted by: Jeff B. at November 07, 2011 11:27 AM (hIWe1)

See, I'm still mixed, here.  The actions of the various accusers all point to gold-digging and the idea that nothing, or at least, nothing worth comment, actually occurred.  It's Cain's actions, mixed responses, and so forth that make me wonder if something really did occur.

Given the "never-you-miiiiiiind," of Friday, I'm more inclined to believe that nothing really happened.

46

It's useless to build dams and bridges anymore.  They're unnecessary.  You see, by the time the

* Environmental impact studies
* Requests for proposals
* OSHA compliance checks
* Union labor contracts
* Public comment periods
* Political validations, and
* Vendor contracts

have been filed, stamped and delivered, the body(ies) of water in question have all dried up. 

Everyone thinks it was an asteroid impacting Earth that caused the mass extinction of the dinosaurs.  What no one understands is that the dinosaurs actually had the technology available to deflect a planet killer asteroid, but the design was tied up in red tape at the Patent Office.  Some Triassic jughead had misplaced the Special Blue Ink Date Stamp that was used to Officially Approve any new Patent, Copyright, or Trademark, and without it no business could get done.  Which is why the last words of the ruling dinosaur governor at the time -- a rare species of jugeared lizard known as a Scoamfasaurus -- are said to have been, "It's not my fault.  I blame the-" *SPLAT! KABOOOM!*

History does not relate what exactly the Scoamfasaurus blamed for the crisis, but I suspect it probably had something to do with the Tea Party.

47 I wonder if anyone has tried explaining that to them.

Marxists are trying to destroy us.  There is no other mission.

48

There is a small bridge over a creek on a residential road near me.  They had to make the road one lane to work on the bridge....since last March.  They are still working on it.  Every time I go by there is one guy working on something and two sitting and watching him.

Posted by: Tami at November 07, 2011 11:29 AM

Union steward and safety man.

49 is it true that her harassment is based on a knock-knock joke? Posted by: soothsayer at November 07, 2011 11:28 AM (sqkOB) Yes: " Hey some KNOCKERS you got there and can I KNOCK you up?

50

The project was quoted at $900,000!!!!

needless to say we aren't doing it. nearly a mil for a gravel path?!?!

It only costs $1M to lay a mile of rail track....with union labor.

51 Given the "never-you-miiiiiiind," of Friday, I'm more inclined to believe that nothing really happened.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at November 07, 2011 11:30 AM

That and the "I don't give a big rat's ass" mindset seem to be the prevailing opinions.

52 Western Civilization has become so sophisticated it doesn't work anymore.

And it gets even tougher when you refuse to acknowledge that some people are smarter and harder working than others, and reward them accordingly.

53 There are stretches of road here in Illinois that are 2 lane and have been proposed by the state to be made 4 lane for 40 years. Still 2 lane. What has transpired in that 40 years is that the underlying reason for the expansion has disappeared, that being, commerce. There's no need for expansion.
What I see everywhere is retraction. What America does now is peddle services to one another. Mercantilism has returned, and the 18th century seems just around the corner. Our natural resources still have some value, and agriculture is becoming our only productive mainstay.
We don't hold the upper hand, and depend on the outside world for our manufactured goods (like the steel rebar that would go into a new construction project, or the tools to make said dam). 

54
Scoamfasaurus


Ok ..... now that I have my keyboard all wiped down and drained.....

Well played sir..... well played indeed.

55  Supposedly the decision was going to be made by the end of this year, but now the White House says Obama will take his time into next year.

Why? What the fuck is going to change between now and then? What in this endless process of "environmental impact" bullshittery, every stage of which has been completed and passed, can these assholes latch on to to say "no, I decree it must not be"?

And then these dipshits wonder where the jobs are.

56 3 O/T: Cain. Fourth accuser. Aldred Representing. Statement in a little while. DRUDGE.

Posted by: Yo Papers Please at November 07, 2011 11:07 AM (EL+OC)

Oh shit. If we talk about it, the cult of St. Cain will accuse of of joining the smear. If we don't, well you know what the say about a general who cedes ground to his enemy?

But, I'm sure Mr. Folksy, unvetted, "true conservative" St. Cain will lead the defense/offense with how it's all just a lie and smears by the liberal media. All this smoke coming from all different directions? Lies and smears, lies and smears--not even close to suggesting a fire.

57 "demosclerosis" is "government's progressive loss of the ability to adapt"

58 Union steward and safety man.

Posted by: huerfano at November 07, 2011 11:31 AM (fecOD)

And there you have it.....

59 Oh shit. If we talk about it, the cult of St. Cain will accuse of of joining the smear. If we don't, well you know what the say about a general who cedes ground to his enemy?

Like it or not, the credibility of all the accusers took a huge hit when that first one said, "I don't want to re-live those events."  Because what that really sounds like is "Oh, crap, I never expected people to want actual details!  I didn't make any of those up!"

Right or not, Cain basically "won" this one on Friday, until and unless an accuser is willing to come forward- in spite of any "confidentiality agreement"- and give details.

And, until that happens, this isn't that much of a story.  It was a story last week because of Cain's weird responses.

60 The city has replaced 3 squares of sidewalk in front of my house. So far I have counted 8 different trucks, 2 different large machines, and 16 different men working on it. It seems that they are done except for the picking up of the cones, etc. I assume another truck will come by for those with at least 3 men. It has taken 6 days. God only knows how long the order has been in.

61

There is a small bridge over a creek on a residential road near me.  They had to make the road one lane to work on the bridge....since last March.  They are still working on it.  Every time I go by there is one guy working on something and two sitting and watching him.

This sounds very similar to a road they were fixing in my hometown when I was younger; this would be back in the 90's.  It was "closed for repairs" literally for years, despite being only a very short cut-through road that just happened to cross a small river.  My school bus would normally have taken that road as part of its regular route.  Instead, every year I was on that bus we had to go ten minutes out of our way to the end of the primary road to hook up with the state road in another town, because the stupid cut-thru was always closed.  And I never saw a single person actually WORKING on the damn road. 

And don't get me started on the ARRA projects that were all over I93 the past couple of years.  Lanes shut down and not a soul in sight actually DOING anything, like replacing the tarmac or installing guard rails.  Nope, just aggravating inconvenience overseen by one of those damn "Putting America Back to Work" ARRA signs. 

If I were a member of the X-Men they'd have to call me "Nail Spitter," because that's what I ended up doing every time I saw those stupid signs.

62 The envirowenies at the Sierra Club probably broke a record with this one. As bad as the delay the Govt used eminent domain to take property 20 years ago that still just sits empty.

If there's one thing the Stillwater bridge project has been good at, it's taking time.

Today, the 60-year-old project got another timeline-extending blow when a U.S. District Court Judge ruled in favor of the Sierra Club, which had brought a lawsuit against the project saying the planning process was flawed.

63 Obama and Gov Moonbeam administrations are getting absolutely pummeled in the comments section over at MSNBC over the high speed train issue >  (heh).

64

<i>But, I'm sure Mr. Folksy, unvetted, "true conservative" St. Cain will lead the defense/offense with how it's all just a lie and smears by the liberal media. All this smoke coming from all different directions? Lies and smears, lies and smears--not even close to suggesting a fire.

Posted by: Jimmuy at November 07, 2011 11:35 AM (hROVJ)</i>

I like Cain's personality, but remain uncommitted for several reasons, and am glad that Newt seems to be getting another look.  That out of the way, this isn't a case of a lot of smoke pointing to fire, but a lot of people reporting they are seeing smoke and demanding that we believe there is a fire.  I see no reason to either exonerate Cain nor condemn him coming from this.  There are accusations with very little detail to go on and I wish everyone would calm down until there was more evidence to go on either way.

65
Mine Moon Cheese.  Feed the World.

Except the FDA would have to test it.  Before that we would need years of study by the EPA to test the impact on the moon life forms and also how it effects the moon's water.  Then the cheese miners union will have to consult with OSHA.  Not to mention how the cheese mining equipment will affect moon warming.

66

It took something like 6 years to build the original WTC.

And they built two of them...

They could have completed the job much quicker had they not had to plant all those explosive devices requested by GWB.

67 63 Obama and Gov Moonbeam administrations are getting absolutely pummeled in the comments section over at MSNBC over the high speed train issue >  (heh).

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at November 07, 2011 11:42 AM (m8ARs)

That brings a tear to my eye and a warm glow to my heart.  *sniffle, dab eyes with handkerchief*  Yes, Virginia, there IS a Santa Claus.

68 the cult of St. Cain
LOL. I'm jacking this one.

69 I guess i don't know how to close tags anymore :/

70 At the Savannah River site, they built 4 reactors and had them operating in 11 months in the 50s. Eleven months isn't enough to get the RFP out today.

71 LOL, didn't a dozen men die during the golden gate bridge construction?  And over a hundred died constructing the hoover dam?  There is definitely a lot of unecessary red tape, but some of it is certainly justified as well probably.  The government isn't constructing anything directly... they simply finance a private contractor.  So why is the private contractor taking so long?

72 The city has replaced 3 squares of sidewalk in front of my house. So far I have counted 8 different trucks, 2 different large machines, and 16 different men working on it. It seems that they are done except for the picking up of the cones, etc. I assume another truck will come by for those with at least 3 men. It has taken 6 days. God only knows how long the order has been in.

I once saw a crew replacing a stop sign that had been knocked down.  There were 4 on the crew.  One was digging the hole, one was holding the pole and the other two watched.  Once the pole was in the ground, they left.  Another crew came later and installed the sign.

73 LOL, didn't a dozen men die during the golden gate bridge construction?

That's funny to you?

So why is the private contractor taking so long?

I'm going to guess here: Government Regulation and Environment "protection" group stall tactics.  Oh, and unions.  Don't forget the unions.

74 So why is the private contractor taking so long?

Rules to be followed. Unions to be paid off.  Politicians to bow to.  Permits to be submitted and resubmitted and re-resubmitted.
There is no such thing as a private contractor on a govt. job.

75 I was Ground Zero two weeks ago and I'm happy to report Freedom Tower is actually looking like a real building. Now, it's another question if it should have taken this long to replace the WTC towers in the first place, but the photo isn't accurate.

76 #71 Sometimes because of the fucking regulations. In my state a builder friend of mine has to wear a fucking safety harness if he works over 6 feet off the ground. He had to sit in a class about said safety harness. He has to do this because fucking city inspectors drive around town in city trucks looking for violations of "code". The truck, the gas, and their salaries are paid for by the taxpayer. But hey, it's for the public good right?

77 Once the pole was in the ground, they left.  Another crew came later and installed the sign.

Division of labor? Comparative labor advantage?

78 Wait, weren't we going to cover the moon with yogurt?

79 One of the great puzzles of the industrial revolution is why it began in England. Why not France, or Germany? Many reasons have been offered. Britain had plentiful supplies of coal, for instance. It had a good patent system in place. It had relatively high labor costs, which encouraged the search for labor-saving innovations. In an article published earlier this year, however, the economists Ralf Meisenzahl and Joel Mokyr focus on a different explanation: the role of Britain’s human-capital advantage—in particular, on a group they call “tweakers.” They believe that Britain dominated the industrial revolution because it had a far larger population of skilled engineers and artisans than its competitors: resourceful and creative men who took the signature inventions of the industrial age and tweaked them—refined and perfected them, and made them work.

80 Permits to be submitted and resubmitted and re-resubmitted.

The city in which I live had exactly this problem just before my current house was built.  Between the developer finishing Phase I of our development, and beginning Phase II, the city had a fairly major code change- requiring permits for any construction which hadn't actually begun to be resubmitted.  On top of that, they were also converting to an all automated (for a given value of "all automated," I'm sure) permitting system.  So, the end result was that construction on the phase of development in which our house sits was delayed about a month, because of the whole situation.

81

"Look for...the Union Label"

This used to be a slogan that was used a lot.....don't hear it much anymore.

The 'Union Label' should now serve as a warning label. ....For higher cost, lower quality, and the prospect of a strike happening at any time.

82 And for a cool $900 billion I think the One could create jobs for nearly 10,000 state and local inspectors for one year. Jobs Bill III.

83

This is something I've said to my 14 year-old son many times -- he's thankfully a budding conservative.   We're $15 trillion in debt.   I've got a mortgage on my house, but I have a house to show for it.   What exactly do we have for our $15 trillion in debt, most of which has been incurred since the 1960s and Johnson's Great Society?   Have we gone to Mars?   Have we got a world-class highway system and transportation infrastructure anymore?   Do we have the best schools in the world anymore?   We can't even rebuild a skyscraper on the WTC site, and it's ten freaking years later!

Before I'd let the government borrow another dollar, I'd ask our representatives to point at the tangible thing that we'll have to show for it.

84 I spent a few months in the Soviet Union about twenty years ago, in chunks spanning several weeks at a time, over the course of a couple of years.

In downtown Moscow, there would be rusted out hulks of unfinished construction. Buildings would get started, then something...Soviet...would happen in the chain of command, and construction would grind to a halt for the twenty years.

At some point, continuing became impossible because what was left exposed and unfinished would decay and turn to rust.

My point is that back then, I was stunned to see such things. Now, I expect to see such things right here.

85 #71 Sometimes because of the fucking regulations. In my state a builder friend of mine has to wear a fucking safety harness if he works over 6 feet off the ground.

The OSHA regulation says 42" + 3". So the feds are stricter. See OSHA 1926.502.

86

The WTC is much farther along.

Live camera: http://tinyurl.com/2bd5fdo

 

87 The Empire State Building was built during the Depression in ~18 months, IIRC.  The I-beams were still warm when they arrived on-site from the Pittsburgh steel mills, supposedly.

88 Actually the TVA stuff is a bad example because FDR cooped that project to begin with. It was a private project which he took over. That is why it only took a short time for the first dam.

OK, here's another example. When Chicago burned down in October 1873, residents started rebuilding immediately. Rubble was carted east and dumped into Lake Michigan, then turfed over to make Grant Park. The Burnham Plan for Chicago co-opted all of this newly created land for the city, which is why Chicago has its beautiful lakefront parks today. Now, just try doing that today!

89 When we lived in St. Louis, I liked to point out that it took longer to build a light rail line within the city than it took to build the transcontinental railroad.

90 Tower #1 was supposed to be above 1000 feet on 9/11/11. Not sure how close they came, but tower #1 is far higher than the linked picture. You can get updates from WTCProgress.com The fact of the matter is, the WTC site was partially delayed as long as it was because of many factors. Including the focus on cleanup, and then on restoring subway and rail service to the area, and then how to incorporate all the elements of a multitude of construction projects covering more than 16 acres. When building 7 went back up within 3 years I thought the same thing. But put the city of NY - scratch that - the Port Authority of NY/NJ in charge of building a single building and they could probably do so in a similar timeframe. If you watch the Discovery series on Rebuilding Ground Zero, you'll find that the process to actually REBUILD only started a couple years ago, and with people in charge that take responsibility and assign accountability, the whole thing will be done in a couple years. 16 acres worth of construction, including the two memorial waterfalls, the memorial museum, two transportation hubs, and 4 towers, from soup to nuts in 4-5 years is really not so bad. Definitely the governmental panels and agencies dithering for the first 6-7 years sucked out loud.

91 He has to do this because fucking city inspectors drive around town in city trucks looking for violations of "code". The truck, the gas, and their salaries are paid for by the taxpayer. But hey, it's for the public good right?

One of our buildings was being torn down to make way for a new building to go up.  We were in the building getting anything salvagable out to sell.  The local building inspector came by and told us we needed a city permit to salvage our own building.  We knew he was full of shit, so we continued clearing the building.  Later, a guy went down to his office to get a "salvage permit."  They looked at him like he was a martian.

92

The east span of the San Francisco Bay Bridge was damaged in October of 1989. (That Eighty-Nine!) They repaired it but began a project to replace it. 22 years later the costs have gone from $800 million to over $12 billion and it's STILL not done.

Our tolls have gone from $1 to $6 to pay for this. SCOAMBridge.

93

Seattle decided to get lots of citizen input when designing the Northgate Transit Center.  This was probably 15 to 20 years ago, but the moral holds true.

What is the one thing everyone in the country knows about Seattle?  It rains.  It rains all the damn time.  Every single day, it rains.  It never ever ever stops raining.  OK, it's not quite that bad, but it does rain all winter.

So what happened when you got input from all the "stakeholders"?  (Stakeholders is another word beloved by regressives, just another way to disguise their catering to special interests.)  Anyway, the overall structure looks like a circus tent and you would think, who cares as long as you stay dry?  Problem is, all the shelters you can see here http://tinyurl.com/7n94hme are too low to extend out over the buses.  That means that you get soaked while boarding the bus.  And because the covered area isn't wide enough, you get soaked while waiting for the bus any time the wind blows.

If they only did this for bus shelters, it wouldn't be so bad, but process is absolutely everything in this city.  They built a bus tunnel through downtown, again, in a city where it rains all the damn time.  Did they make it pedestrian friendly so people could walk from point A to point B?  No.  Did they even consider that they should make this a blocks long arcade with businesses down there and entrances to street level shopping from the retail arcade, thereby recouping the costs?  No and hell no.  Instead the thing looks like a bathroom with all the pale yellow tile, and they had to rip it apart and re-do it because the fucked it up the first time.  Never ever ever let lefties be in charge of anything.

94 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

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