December 16, 2011
— Gabriel Malor You might have seen this from Guy Benson a little while ago: Victory II: Democrats Cave on Keystone in Payroll Tax Cut Deal. He's got a GOP source that says the Democrats are giving us Keystone XL in exchange for a mere two month extension of the payroll tax cuts.
Click over then come back; there's some good stuff there. Here are more details, as sent to me by one of our guys on the Hill:
What [it] basically does is require the State Department to issue the permit for Keystone XL within 60 days, unless President Obama explicitly says the pipeline is not in the national interest and kills it (that would definitely not be good for him to do).It also tells State to allow construction to go ahead while it works with Nebraska to resolve any remaining environmental or routing issues. The governor and legislature there are on board with getting a new route to allay any concerns.
So we got the Keystone language, Dems got a 2 month extension of their payroll tax cut and unemployment insurance, but the cost is fully offset (with spending cuts) so it doesnÂ’t add to the deficit.
As Ace noted this afternoon, Press Secretary Jay Carney was reluctant to repeat Obama's veto threat over Keystone XL, so the President is in the hot seat now. Democrats and unions (BIRM) were freaking out over being put in a position to oppose the thousands of jobs represented by Keystone XL.
Obama can still cancel the pipeline under the deal, but, as Guy writes, it's much more likely that he's about to throw the enviroweenies under the bus. It was one thing when the vague "Obama State Department" was putting the pipeline on hold for further studies that wouldn't be concluded until after the election. But now Obama would be on the record as saying that the proposed pipeline isn't in the national interest. That's not going to happen. This man doesn't vote "no." He votes "present."
Can I get a big "good job" for Speaker Boehner and Majority Leader McConnell? The Hill reported earlier today that McConnell was making a big push on this. It paid off.
BTW: For the folks who always ask themselves why the media, why Politico, why the Hill, etc., always end up with info before conservative media and conservative blogs, note that this went out to us before it hit the wires. The GOP is learning.
Oh and further: Drink the sweet, vegetarian tears of the enviroweenies:
"It's bulls—-," said Sierra Club President Michael Brune. "This is no way to run a government. We've got Republicans in Congress who are willing to hold the entire government hostage simply to give a Christmas present to industry."
Yum.
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Posted by: Joffen at December 16, 2011 04:38 PM (zLeKL)
He is smarter than people think.
Well done, Mr. Speaker! Well done, Senator McConnell!
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 16, 2011 04:42 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Steph at December 16, 2011 04:43 PM (8WB3V)
Posted by: Minuteman at December 16, 2011 04:44 PM (acEq7)
Posted by: Count de Monet, getting nothing but a lump of coal and liking it at December 16, 2011 04:45 PM (4q5tP)
He has made a fatal error. People will be even MORE enraged if jobs they were anticipating are suddenly yanked away from them.
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 16, 2011 04:46 PM (GoIUi)
Posted by: Have Blue at December 16, 2011 04:47 PM (IKTC8)
In plain English, we got Boner[ed] again.
Osama Obama will blithely announce that the pipeline is Bad -- thus keeping the love of the Greenies and other environmental ninnies -- while carrying away the political win of doing the Republicans in the eye.
Sometimes, we are so consumed by wishcasting that we find faux victory in defeat.
If anyone truly believes that Boner, Bitch McConnell and the rest of the squishy surrender monkeys in Congress did us a favor, I would suggest medication or therapy. Or a trip over to Tepid Air, where Teh Stupid is dominant.
Posted by: MrScribbler at December 16, 2011 04:49 PM (lajFE)
Posted by: Have Blue at December 16, 2011 04:50 PM (IKTC8)
Perhaps the hypocrisy of the environmental waste of sending his fairly lei'd wife ahead of him by 2 FUCKING DAYS would actually have registered...so it looks like we got ourselves a pipeline boys!
Until some nitwit circuit court judge puts the kibbosh on it.
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 16, 2011 04:50 PM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: Truman North at December 16, 2011 04:50 PM (I2LwF)
We've got Republicans in Congress who are willing to hold the entire government hostage simply to give a Christmas present to industry.
Wrong, fuckstick. It is a present to every American that drives a car, heats a home or uses plastics.
Posted by: fluffy, consumer at December 16, 2011 04:50 PM (O6q63)
Hahaha! Government is supposed to be run solely at the whim of the President! Fuck the rule of law, eh, Brune? I hope you choke on your rage Christmas holiday tofurkey, asswipe.
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 16, 2011 04:51 PM (xQeIb)
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 16, 2011 04:51 PM (xQeIb)
Posted by: NC Ref at December 16, 2011 04:52 PM (WCQp7)
Posted by: Reconstitute Standard Oil at December 16, 2011 04:53 PM (A1L54)
It's bulls—-," said Sierra Club President Michael Brune
Suck a big one Michael. You will get used to the bigger ones after a while.
Posted by: Ronster at December 16, 2011 04:53 PM (JGYCE)
In plain English, we got Boner[ed] again.
Osama Obama will blithely announce that the pipeline is Bad -- thus keeping the love of the Greenies and other environmental ninnies -- while carrying away the political win of doing the Republicans in the eye.
Read the rest of Sec. 1002.
Posted by: M80B at December 16, 2011 04:54 PM (d6QMz)
36 inches in diameter, to be exact!
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 16, 2011 04:54 PM (xQeIb)
Ha! Embrace the suck!
Posted by: GGE, Exclusive Member of the ONT at December 16, 2011 04:55 PM (npWmN)
Even
Ten Years After
Posted by: Hitch at December 16, 2011 04:56 PM (Esl7g)
Posted by: Truman North at December 16, 2011 04:56 PM (I2LwF)
Ahem. That was my post on the payroll tax cuts last year.
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 16, 2011 04:57 PM (wPT1m)
Sorry, that's too much effort.
What does it say?
That the president has the right to say that the pipeline is not in the national interest but he has to prove it within 60 days. He also must consider rerouting the pipeline under the same terms. Failure to make a determination or meet their request will result in the permit being in effect by operation of law.
Posted by: M80B at December 16, 2011 05:04 PM (d6QMz)
That the president has the right to say that the pipeline is not in the national interest but he has to prove it within 60 days. He also must consider rerouting the pipeline under the same terms. Failure to make a determination or meet their request will result in the permit being in effect by operation of law
Thanks. I did look at a couple links, but couldn't find it, just so ya know.
Posted by: fluffy at December 16, 2011 05:05 PM (O6q63)
Posted by: Ronster at December 16, 2011 05:06 PM (JGYCE)
(a) In General- Except as provided in subsection (b), not later than 60 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the President, acting through the Secretary of State, shall grant a permit under Executive Order 13337 (3 U.S.C. 301 note; relating to issuance of permits with respect to certain energy-related facilities and land transportation crossings on the international boundaries of the United States) for the Keystone XL pipeline project application filed on September 19, 2008 (including amendments).
[...]
(3) EFFECT OF NO FINDING OR ACTION- If a determination is not made under paragraph (1) and no action is taken by the President under subsection (a) not later than 60 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the permit for the Keystone XL pipeline described in subsection (a) that meets the requirements of subsections (c) and (d) shall be in effect by operation of law.
Posted by: M80B at December 16, 2011 05:07 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: M80B at December 16, 2011 05:08 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Bluto at December 16, 2011 05:08 PM (PImTF)
Posted by: Mister Money at December 16, 2011 05:09 PM (wN82N)
Posted by: Newt Gingrich at December 16, 2011 05:09 PM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: Fortunata at December 16, 2011 05:09 PM (90H1N)
Posted by: Seth at December 16, 2011 05:10 PM (e6MoS)
The reelect-The-One campaign will make sure that we lose that one as bad as they lost this one, and they will scheme so it is even worse.
Every breath this guy takes, every second of his awake-time, this guy is dreaming up ways to win reelection.
Posted by: Buck Ofama at December 16, 2011 05:12 PM (4sQwu)
Posted by: dananjcon at December 16, 2011 05:13 PM (0JPH9)
saying that he thought that the Great Plains of the US were too beautiful to despoil
Uh huh. Name the Plains States, Einstein.
BTW, you can bury a pipeline. Try that with wind or solar.
Posted by: fluffy at December 16, 2011 05:15 PM (O6q63)
Posted by: D.C. Dead epub at December 16, 2011 05:15 PM (GeprT)
Conservatives celebrate victory, but I remain stoic with KY-Jelly at the ready, knowing the squeakhole assault is being planed as we blog.
Posted by: Doctor Fish ( Posting from Mom's Computer in Texas) at December 16, 2011 05:15 PM (ndqJC)
When they figure out that Obama can't kill it this time just by voting "present", the gnashing of teeth will commence.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 16, 2011 05:15 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: M80B at December 16, 2011 09:04 PM (d6QMz)
What exactly is the "national interest?"
Is it some vague bureaucratic term or something?
Posted by: ErikW at December 16, 2011 05:15 PM (VM7GL)
I trust that OUR side is gaming responses to any possible action that he attempts.
I think Boehner did a good job.
Posted by: Miss Marple at December 16, 2011 05:15 PM (GoIUi)
M80B brings the fact hammer again.
She's great. She should don protective gear and wade into the DailyKooks' comments like Godzilla rampaging in Tokyo. They have it completely backwards and are celebrating our feeblemindedness.
To wit: In 60 days, President Obama can say no to the pipeline and order another review to be completed whenever he wants.
and: So in 60 days say Keystone XL is NOT approved. Done. Next.
Posted by: Count de Monet, getting nothing but a lump of coal and liking it at December 16, 2011 05:17 PM (4q5tP)
Posted by: eman at December 16, 2011 05:18 PM (kEKwc)
Huh. I was sensible that industry was a good thing - that it meant hard work and enjoying the fruits of one's labours.
This article is quite diverting.
Posted by: Zimriel, the Victorian throwback at December 16, 2011 05:18 PM (6GvAC)
squeakhole assault is being planed as we blog.
A planed squeakhole makes it easier for the short ones.
Posted by: Ronster at December 16, 2011 05:18 PM (JGYCE)
When I see it signed, then the Good Job.
Posted by: toby928© at December 16, 2011 05:21 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: eman at December 16, 2011 05:21 PM (kEKwc)
Posted by: Truman North at December 16, 2011 05:21 PM (I2LwF)
How about U2?
Posted by: Hitch at December 16, 2011 05:23 PM (Esl7g)
The USA already has bigass pipelines.
So what's the big deal about another? Oh yeah, a boner-fried jobs project funded by private dollars. Can't have that.
Posted by: fluffy at December 16, 2011 05:25 PM (O6q63)
Posted by: eman at December 16, 2011 05:26 PM (kEKwc)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at December 16, 2011 05:26 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: StuckOnStupid at December 16, 2011 05:26 PM (R5yLq)
So any of you out there got a comment about that?
Like some of the ones that fly around here during the Doom Posts? Over retirees not deserving what benefits they get?
HMMMM?
He's collecting over 7,000 a month ON TOP of his Governor's salary.
Sure, he's qualified for it under the rules but DOES HE NEED IT?
I want to see Ace or anyone else spin this to his benefit. (SWIDT)
Turns out he's not so CONSERVATIVE as was claimed at least not when it comes to his pile.
Posted by: Vote for me and I'll set you free at December 16, 2011 05:27 PM (xqpQL)
What exactly is the "national interest?"
Is it some vague bureaucratic term or something?
Posted by: ErikW at December 16, 2011 09:15 PM (VM7GL)
Never mind, I looked it up. I was right.
Posted by: ErikW at December 16, 2011 05:27 PM (VM7GL)
It's a trillion dollar spending bill, with Lord knows how much of it floated on the national Visa.
Huzzah!
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 16, 2011 05:27 PM (3wBRE)
“They’ve just killed the Keystone pipeline. They killed it because they forced the president to make a decision before he can make it so he’s not going to move forward with it,” said Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), chairwoman of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee and an ally of environmental groups.
Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) said he was not concerned about giving in to Republicans on the Keystone provision.
“The president is apparently just going to use the option given to him not to let it go [forward],” said Levin. “There’s a waiver in there which we understand the president is going to exercise.”
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 16, 2011 05:28 PM (SY2Kh)
U2?
Posted by: Hitch at December 16, 2011 05:28 PM (Esl7g)
Good policy (building the pipeline) AND good politics (forcing Obama's hand on choosing between labor and the greens)?
That's an excuse to open a beer.
Posted by: Lee (in KY) at December 16, 2011 05:29 PM (wwuGd)
Posted by: Tendstl at December 16, 2011 05:29 PM (QxguZ)
Posted by: Clubber Lang at December 16, 2011 05:29 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: toby928© at December 16, 2011 05:31 PM (GTbGH)
To wit: In 60 days, President Obama can say no to the pipeline and order another review to be completed whenever he wants.
and: So in 60 days say Keystone XL is NOT approved. Done. Next.
Posted by: Count de Monet, getting nothing but a lump of coal and liking it at December 16, 2011 09:17 PM (4q5tP)
Not the way I read it. If he doesn't approve in 60 days it is dead. If he doesn't approve it after this Canada is going to to start building a pipeline to Vancouver and it will be over.
Posted by: robtr at December 16, 2011 05:31 PM (MtwBb)
Which begs the question, couldn't that money have been better spent on healthcare or food for the "downtrodden" and or "needy"?
No oil pipeline ever fed a hungry chile.
Posted by: Bill Clintonista at December 16, 2011 05:31 PM (JGYCE)
Posted by: Tendstl at December 16, 2011 09:29 PM (QxguZ)
Posted by: ErikW at December 16, 2011 05:31 PM (VM7GL)
“The president is apparently just going to use the option given to him not to let it go [forward],” said Levin. “There’s a waiver in there which we understand the president is going to exercise.”
That would be a bad idea, to hand his opponents a club. Just drive a couple spikes through it beforehand.
Posted by: fluffy at December 16, 2011 05:32 PM (O6q63)
Posted by: toby928© at December 16, 2011 05:32 PM (GTbGH)
Each time he does it, Boehner and O'Connell will have to come up with more "pipeline projects" to turn the tables.
We were lucky this time.. Keystone was a bit serendipitous.. It came up at the right time.
Next time.........?
Posted by: franksalterego at December 16, 2011 05:33 PM (9XykO)
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 16, 2011 08:57 PM (wPT1m)
Just to show that I'm not a mindless hater: Kudos to you for pointing that out. The Repubs did a terrible job of framing that argument exactly as you did, which is why they're the party of stoopid. This is an issue that should cut the legs out of the donks yet the fuckheads in Repuke central have their fucking heads up their asses.
Posted by: Captain Hate at December 16, 2011 05:33 PM (UJYQt)
Posted by: toby928© at December 16, 2011 05:34 PM (GTbGH)
Senate Dems probably wouldn't have agreed to that.
Keep in mind that Obama's plan was to vote "present" on it until after the election. The GOP took that dodge away from him- either he approves it (by doing nothing) or he deliberately kills it. Option A he pisses off the environmental weenies, option B he pisses off the unions.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 16, 2011 05:35 PM (SY2Kh)
“The president is apparently just going to use the option given to him not to let it go [forward],” said Levin. “There’s a waiver in there which we understand the president is going to exercise.”
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 16, 2011 09:28 PM (SY2Kh)
That's wishcasting on their part. If he does that he is not only going to piss off the unions but also about 80% of americans, the canadians and hand whoever our nominee is a huge club to beat him with.
Posted by: robtr at December 16, 2011 05:35 PM (MtwBb)
What the Dems are up to is not trying to lose another shitload of seats. There's media hype, and there's internal polling.
I expect at least one more major "easy victory" where the albatross is in Obama's court.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 16, 2011 05:36 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Jornolist at December 16, 2011 05:37 PM (yoF/M)
Repeal of the bulb ban and repeal of the pipeline ban.
I think the GOP is starting to get it.
Posted by: PJ at December 16, 2011 05:38 PM (DQHjw)
Then no deal.
I'm willing to bet that Barry will invoke his discreation and kill it. The MFM will mention it, once. The Republicans, not at all, at least, not where anyone can hear it.
Posted by: toby928© at December 16, 2011 05:38 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: museisluse at December 16, 2011 05:39 PM (4Lj43)
The Republicans are forcing the Administration to expedite the permit process. I am still unsure as to how they can mandate construction but they are forcing him to make a decision.
Posted by: M80B at December 16, 2011 05:39 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Alex at December 16, 2011 05:39 PM (+1TUS)
You know the Greens are just going to file a lawsuit to stop it because the pipeline disrupts a snail darter breeding ground and/or Indian burial site. It'll be put on hold by the courts for years.
Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 16, 2011 05:39 PM (3wBRE)
Posted by: Wink Martindale at December 16, 2011 05:40 PM (C+XUk)
I think the GOP is starting to get it.
Posted by: PJ at December 16, 2011 09:38 PM (DQHjw)
Well except for those of us that went long on 100 watt lightbulbs and have a closet full of the damn things now.
Posted by: robtr at December 16, 2011 05:41 PM (MtwBb)
So any of you out there got a comment about that?
Did he earn it fairly? If so, what's to comment about?
Like some of the ones that fly around here during the Doom Posts? Over retirees not deserving what benefits they get?
I don't recall anyone saying retirees don't deserve their benefits. In fact, the general argument is that the system is unsustainable, and must change, so changes must be made to the benefits of future retirees.
HMMMM?
He's collecting over 7,000 a month ON TOP of his Governor's salary.
You may not like it, but I'm not going to crap on anybody collecting on a contracted obligation from any party.
Sure, he's qualified for it under the rules but DOES HE NEED IT?
No government has, nor should it ever have, the right to decide whether any man needs or deserves anything. You, however, deserve credit for making it three sentences in before showing your ass and acting like a complete fool.
I want to see Ace or anyone else spin this to his benefit. (SWIDT)
Got a newsletter I can not subscribe to?
Turns out he's not so CONSERVATIVE as was claimed at least not when it comes to his pile.
In your twisted mind, you make assumptions about what conservatism is. It's a philosophy, not some magic thing that prevents what you perceive as hypocrisy.
Posted by: Vote for me and I'll set you free at December 16, 2011 09:27 PM (xqpQL)
For a more in-depth explanation, you should read...nevermind. Eat my ass with a spoon, idiot.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 16, 2011 05:41 PM (D+phB)
Maybe.
It's also possible he plays the "60 days isn't enough time to properly study the issue" card, denies the deal, but says he'll reconsider after it's been further looked at (i.e. after the election).
One way or the other, somebody ends up staring at the undercarriage of a mass transit vehicle. For Obama, the worst thing in the world is having to make a decision without delegating it to a committee or Congressional Dems.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 16, 2011 05:41 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Sharpen A Plane Blade at December 16, 2011 05:41 PM (l94RK)
Posted by: Jornolist at December 16, 2011 05:42 PM (yoF/M)
Posted by: word to the wise at December 16, 2011 05:43 PM (GTbGH)
Posted by: Hitch at December 16, 2011 05:43 PM (Esl7g)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 16, 2011 09:28 PM (SY2Kh)
Your link is borked. Nevertheless, his taking this action would not surprise me in the least. See, it's worth the price of angering some unions goons in order to ensure that the US energy supply remains in government regulation-induced jeopardy. Eggs, omlet, etc.
Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at December 16, 2011 05:43 PM (mHLwI)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 16, 2011 05:44 PM (Ec6wH)
Posted by: M80B at December 16, 2011 09:39 PM (d6QMz)
They can't mandate construction, it's all private money funding it. They are ready to build it though.
Posted by: robtr at December 16, 2011 05:44 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: toby928© at December 16, 2011 05:44 PM (GTbGH)
Now, Camp outlines the requirements under the permit and the construction, operation, and maintenance rules, and from the ground covered I do not see how Obama can claim environmental factors as an out.
Posted by: M80B at December 16, 2011 05:44 PM (d6QMz)
Obama will throw greenies under the bus before the Unions.
Obama & Unions are bound by money.
Obama will ditch his ideology with greenies in a heartbeat, and "um, er, umm" his way out of it, and promise to throw up roadblocks.
Which means lawyers win, too.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 16, 2011 05:46 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: toby928© at December 16, 2011 05:47 PM (GTbGH)
Can't happen soon enough. There's at least two here who should be under a bridge demanding tolls.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 16, 2011 05:47 PM (D+phB)
Posted by: John E. at December 16, 2011 05:50 PM (nRTou)
I'll unload on this guy: if he's going to abandon your principles for a short term cash benefit, then he's already taken a dump on all that conservativy stuff he says he's running for.
Now be a dear and go fetch me some TP.
Posted by: Zimriel, the Boulder Toilet Hobo at December 16, 2011 05:51 PM (6GvAC)
It's bulls—-," said Sierra Club President Michael Brune
This kind of profane juvenile tantrum has no place in public discourse on the great environmental issues of our day. It discredits the man who speaks it.
Sniff.
Posted by: Al "Maximum Displacement" Gore at December 16, 2011 05:51 PM (NBPbB)
Posted by: toby928© at December 16, 2011 09:47 PM (GTbGH)
Yes, but: the pipefitters, welders, teamsters, et al would be more than a little butthurt if he took that route. Unless team D(umbass) has decided that the private-sector unions are now discardable, based on the monolithic support they get from the public sector unions, I expect the Present to decide in favor of the pipeline. Surely the greenies can't deliver on the scale of the unions come crunchtime.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 16, 2011 05:51 PM (D+phB)
I canÂ’t get no relief.
Businessmen, they drink my wine,
Plowmen dig my earth.
None of them along the line
Know what any of it is worth.”
Posted by: Hitch at December 16, 2011 05:52 PM (Esl7g)
No, this bit:
(3) EFFECT OF NO FINDING OR ACTION- If a determination is not made under paragraph (1) and no action is taken by the President under subsection (a) not later than 60 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the permit for the Keystone XL pipeline described in subsection (a) that meets the requirements of subsections (c) and (d) shall be in effect by operation of law.
I am unsure as to how that last section ("the permit for Keystone XL pipeline...") works.
Posted by: M80B at December 16, 2011 05:52 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at December 16, 2011 09:44 PM (Ec6wH)
Second most overrated band ever.
The Edge sucked, all he did was finger tap the same fret over and over and over and over...
Posted by: ErikW at December 16, 2011 05:53 PM (VM7GL)
While all the women came and went —
Barefoot servants too.
Outside in the cold distance,
A wildcat did growl.
Two riders were approaching, and
The wind began to howl."
Posted by: Hitch at December 16, 2011 05:54 PM (Esl7g)
Posted by: Wink Martindale at December 16, 2011 05:56 PM (C+XUk)
Posted by: Bill Clintonista at December 16, 2011 05:56 PM (JGYCE)
Posted by: specialkayel at December 16, 2011 05:56 PM (uE16p)
Posted by: M80B at December 16, 2011 09:52 PM (d6QMz)
Oh, it means if Obama signs this bill and he doesn't act the permit for the pipeline is law. It's like a real estate contract. If you don't back out in an amount of time the contract is in effect then.
As I read it he only has two choices, cancel the pipeline or permit it. No voting presant.
Posted by: robtr at December 16, 2011 05:56 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Tammy al' Thor at December 16, 2011 05:56 PM (SsG4J)
The honey lips
A ton of angels
But I still haven't found what Im lookin for
Religion
If you don't get it, guess you have to hear it
Posted by: Hitch at December 16, 2011 05:56 PM (Esl7g)
And there's a snootful of reality. I was hoping the unknown shitbag would respond and attempt to justify his or her fingerpainting here, and I get poop jokes instead.
BTW, Zim - I was in Boulder last month for a week - what a pretty town, great restaurants, bars, etc., populated by some of the worst people I've ever encountered. It was like a real life version of the "Smug" episode from South Park...the level of self-involvement was off the charts. You're a stalwart for being there, although I suppose I could make it as long as I had a steady supply of Avery growlers.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 16, 2011 05:57 PM (D+phB)
Posted by: Wink Martindale at December 16, 2011 05:58 PM (C+XUk)
Second most overrated band ever.
And the winner is?
Dave Matthews Band - You can't spell "DUMB" without "DMB".
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 16, 2011 05:58 PM (UR5vq)
Posted by: Tammy al' Thor at December 16, 2011 09:56 PM (SsG4J)
^^^this^^^. The Party of Stoopid has gotten too damn good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory for it to be accidental.
Posted by: GGE, Exclusive Member of the ONT at December 16, 2011 05:58 PM (npWmN)
Posted by: Hitch at December 16, 2011 05:59 PM (Esl7g)
Nah, I don't really use socks. Ace asked me to coblog over here and JWF did the same on his site, so I've been posting both places instead of doing something on my own.
Posted by: John E. at December 16, 2011 05:59 PM (nRTou)
Posted by: blaster at December 16, 2011 06:00 PM (Fw2Gg)
Dave Matthews Band - You can't spell "DUMB" without "DMB".
Heh. I do like "Blood in the Water" with guest singer Alanis Morrisette, though.
Posted by: fluffy at December 16, 2011 06:00 PM (O6q63)
Posted by: blaster at December 16, 2011 06:01 PM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: Wink Martindale at December 16, 2011 06:01 PM (C+XUk)
Posted by: scofflaw at December 16, 2011 06:02 PM (IhBRY)
Posted by: Hitch at December 16, 2011 10:00 PM (Esl7g)
Have you actually read any poets, or are you just swinging from the nutsack of a good rock singer with a Messiah complex?
/nevermind, that turned out to be one of those res ipsa loquatir things.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 16, 2011 06:02 PM (D+phB)
Posted by: GGE, Exclusive Member of the ONT at December 16, 2011 06:02 PM (npWmN)
Obama will throw greenies under the bus before the Unions.
Obama & Unions are bound by money.
Posted by: jwb7605 at December 16, 2011 09:46 PM (Qxe/p)
Eh, I opine (opinions, arseholes, et al.) that his desire to inflict grievous harm upon the US will override his fear of possible union-goon backlash. He'll have his $1B war chest regardless--no matter how many unverified pre-paid credit card donations it takes.
Besides, they're already broadcasting the meme of, "Republicans killed the pipeline!" which will be repeated ad nauseum by the union goons and the news media. It will be the unreasonableness of Republicans that caused them to lose potential paychecks--not Obama.
Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at December 16, 2011 06:02 PM (mHLwI)
Posted by: eman at December 16, 2011 06:02 PM (kEKwc)
Posted by: blaster at December 16, 2011 06:03 PM (Fw2Gg)
Posted by: scofflaw at December 16, 2011 10:02 PM (IhBRY)
Excellent point.
Posted by: Tammy al' Thor at December 16, 2011 06:04 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Wink Martindale at December 16, 2011 06:04 PM (C+XUk)
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at December 16, 2011 06:04 PM (O7ksG)
As I read it he only has two choices, cancel the pipeline or permit it. No voting presant.
But my question is as to whether Congress can do that.
Posted by: M80B at December 16, 2011 06:05 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Wink Martindale at December 16, 2011 06:05 PM (C+XUk)
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 16, 2011 09:58 PM (UR5vq)
Hail the mighty Son of Sparta!
The truth trumpets from his lips!
Posted by: eman at December 16, 2011 10:02 PM (kEKwc).
Dutifully seconded.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 16, 2011 06:05 PM (D+phB)
Posted by: RSS Newsreader Apps at December 16, 2011 06:05 PM (fA4z/)
Posted by: Bill Clintonista at December 16, 2011 06:06 PM (JGYCE)
Posted by: blaster at December 16, 2011 06:07 PM (Fw2Gg)
The Beatles!
Posted by: ErikW at December 16, 2011 10:04 PM (VM7GL)
Vendetta!, blood will be spilled for this. You go too far, you've purchased infamy, and accounts will be settled. I spit at your mother, you bastard.
/correct answer to most overrated band ever: The Doors
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 16, 2011 06:08 PM (D+phB)
Yo greenies. Invent a car or a plane that doens't run on any OIL. Then, let's talk.
Posted by: Jujubee at December 16, 2011 06:10 PM (O7ksG)
Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at December 16, 2011 10:02 PM (mHLwI)
Nah, the trade unions have somewhere else to go and that's to the republican party. The fitters, welders, laborers, iron workers and electricians have already testified before congress bashing Obutthurt for not already approving the damn thing.
He will lose dems in congress that are dependent on unions as well as trade unions if he fucks this up. Plus we will be down to 2 or 3 or hopefully 1 candidate by then that can beat him up over it on a daily basis.
Obama is in a box.
Posted by: robtr at December 16, 2011 06:10 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: blaster at December 16, 2011 06:10 PM (Fw2Gg)
I like DMB in that they can put together a pretty good sound. It's a bit too hippie-ish for me and I like Zac Brown Band because it's mostly acoustic.
Been turned on to Mumford and Sons and I like what I hear so far!
Posted by: ErikW at December 16, 2011 06:10 PM (VM7GL)
Remember! Barack Obama promised us: “The public will have five days to look at every bill that lands on my desk” before he signs it into law.
5 DAYS!
Posted by: Mister Money at December 16, 2011 06:11 PM (wN82N)
Vendetta!, blood will be spilled for this. You go too far, you've purchased infamy, and accounts will be settled. I spit at your mother, you bastard.
As a Beatles fan, I'll ignore Sgt Pepper and listen to Revolver a second time, instead.
Posted by: fluffy at December 16, 2011 06:11 PM (O6q63)
The Beatles!
Posted by: ErikW at December 16, 2011 10:04 PM (VM7GL)
I'm going to disagree a little bit, not because I am a Beatles fangirl, (I am not) but because of what I call the Hemingway factor.
I never got the appeal of Hemingway til weft-cut loop (A poster here) reminded me that Hemingway was ahead of his time in his style of writing.
I do think the Beatles were innovative and affected the direction rock took, in ways we don't really appreciate now.
Posted by: Tammy al' Thor at December 16, 2011 06:11 PM (SsG4J)
Posted by: Jujubee at December 16, 2011 06:11 PM (O7ksG)
Posted by: M80B at December 16, 2011 10:05 PM (d6QMz)
Sure they can, they make the laws. If Obama signs it then it is law. Everybody with a say in has spoken.
Posted by: robtr at December 16, 2011 06:11 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: Bill Clintonista at December 16, 2011 06:12 PM (JGYCE)
What did one Deadhead say to the other Deadhead when he ran out of dope?
Phish sucks, Jerry is dead; Get a job!
Posted by: fluffy at December 16, 2011 06:13 PM (O6q63)
Posted by: blaster at December 16, 2011 06:13 PM (Fw2Gg)
Dems cave on raising taxes on the rich, AND Dems cave on Keystone XL?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"Majority" Leader McConnell, I'm drinking this beer for you
Posted by: chemjeff at December 16, 2011 06:13 PM (s7mIC)
Hey, man, this band sucks!
Posted by: blaster at December 16, 2011 10:10 PM (Fw2Gg)
Oh come on, I rode my harley through 11 states following the dead when I got out of the Marines. Don't tell me that.
Posted by: robtr at December 16, 2011 06:14 PM (MtwBb)
What did one Deadhead say to the other Deadhead when he ran out of dope?
Hey, man, this band sucks!
Posted by: blaster at December 16, 2011 10:10 PM (Fw2Gg)
And I'm going to disagree with you because I have never once heard anyone claim the Dead were ever a "rated" band to start with, lol. And I say that as a die-hard Deadhead.
Posted by: Tammy al' Thor at December 16, 2011 06:14 PM (SsG4J)
Amen, maam
Love rescue me
Raise me up
Don't let me fall
Love rescue me
On the road to my regret
Posted by: Hitch at December 16, 2011 06:16 PM (Esl7g)
As a Beatles fan, I'll ignore Sgt Pepper and listen to Revolver a second time, instead.
Posted by: fluffy at December 16, 2011 10:11 PM (O6q63)
I'm a huge fan of Revolver, but leaving out Rubber Soul is wrong. Also, despite the fact that McCartney is a megalomaniac dick, if you haven't yet, check out his "Let it Be...Naked". He went back and stripped out all of Phil Spektor's "wall of sound" crap, e.g. the multiple backup singers, the strings, extra percussion, and it's much better for it. You hear four guys (five, when Billy Preston is on keys) in a room playing good music. I didn't care for the original, but I can listen to that particular reboot over and over again.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 16, 2011 06:17 PM (D+phB)
Posted by: Seth at December 16, 2011 06:18 PM (e6MoS)
The serious part of my comment was that I do hold my candidate to high standards. Perry is after all running as commander-in-chief, if as nothing else. If Perry is a pettily venal Southern governor, as I think he is [since I lived in his Texas for many years], then we won't get another Bush Presidency from Perry; we'll get another Clinton Presidency.
A slightly-crooked laissez-faire Presidency would be an improvement over what we have now [and I would have voted Hillary in 2008], but still... maybe we can do better.
Posted by: Zimriel at December 16, 2011 06:18 PM (6GvAC)
"CUERO, Texas—Oil-drilling activity in the U.S. has accelerated to a pace not seen in a generation as energy companies, oilfield contractors and landowners rush to exploit newly profitable sources of crude.
The number of rigs aiming for oil in the U.S. is the highest since at least 1987, according to Baker Hughes Inc. The 818 rigs tallied by the oilfield-service company last week are nearly double last year's count and about 10 times the number that were drilling for oil in the late 1990s."
WSJ - Feb 2011
Posted by: Clarence at December 16, 2011 06:18 PM (z0HdK)
This just means that we will have to start from scratch every two months for as long as they can stall. Just like the Bush tax cuts.
Posted by: Potsie at December 16, 2011 06:19 PM (aQF/7)
You can bet the sleazy bastards in the White House are scheming at this very moment on how to handle this pipeline problem. They never sleep.
Also, I should never use a sock. By the time I remember to take it off there is nothing left but an ankle warmer.
Posted by: Ronster at December 16, 2011 06:19 PM (JGYCE)
Posted by: USS Diversity at December 16, 2011 06:20 PM (PddVe)
so why wouldn't Obama veto this bill, since it would back him into a corner?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 16, 2011 06:20 PM (s7mIC)
Also, despite the fact that McCartney is a megalomaniac dick,
Bigger than Lennon? Is that possible?
if you haven't yet, check out his "Let it Be...Naked". You hear four guys (five, when Billy Preston is on keys) in a room playing good music.
I shall, thanks. I like the songs on Let It Be quite a bit. It is an *ahem* under-rated album.
Posted by: fluffy at December 16, 2011 06:21 PM (O6q63)
There's nothing in what you quote which says that "this administration" has had anything to do with what has happened in Texas, other than staying out of its way.
I dub #210 a troll-post.
Posted by: Zimriel at December 16, 2011 06:21 PM (6GvAC)
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 16, 2011 10:17 PM (D+phB)
This. And I have come to appreciate the White album more in my old age. Helter Skelter is one of my favorite songs.
Posted by: Tammy al' Thor at December 16, 2011 06:21 PM (SsG4J)
The serious part of my comment was that I do hold my candidate to high standards. Perry is after all running as commander-in-chief, if as nothing else. If Perry is a pettily venal Southern governor, as I think he is [since I lived in his Texas for many years], then we won't get another Bush Presidency from Perry; we'll get another Clinton Presidency.
A slightly-crooked laissez-faire Presidency would be an improvement over what we have now [and I would have voted Hillary in 2008], but still... maybe we can do better.
Posted by: Zimriel at December 16, 2011 10:18 PM (6GvAC)
Fair enough. I can see where you're coming from, and understand it. Much as I like the Rick's venal record, I don't think he's going to be a real factor in this race. For the record, you weren't a jerk by any internet standard, and I further wish I could've run around Boulder with you. Your fellow residents are, to put it mildly, awful.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 16, 2011 06:22 PM (D+phB)
sheesh, so Obama gets credit for every oil well that is drilled?
Posted by: chemjeff at December 16, 2011 06:23 PM (s7mIC)
What did one Deadhead say to the other Deadhead when he ran out of dope?
Hey, man, this band sucks!
Posted by: blaster at December 16, 2011 10:10 PM (Fw2Gg)
Heh. Reminds me of "South Park" when the Ritalin antidote was administered to the audience at a Phil Collins concert.
Posted by: Jew janitor's mop bucket at December 16, 2011 06:23 PM (mHLwI)
I never got the appeal of Hemingway til weft-cut loop (A poster here) reminded me that Hemingway was ahead of his time in his style of writing.
I do think the Beatles were innovative and affected the direction rock took, in ways we don't really appreciate now.
Posted by: Tammy al' Thor at December 16, 2011 10:11 PM (SsG4J)
The Beatles were only a turn signal.
Elvis and the Beach Boys transformed music.
Posted by: ErikW at December 16, 2011 06:24 PM (VM7GL)
I know they can authorize the application but I want to be sure that Obama has no wiggle room.
Posted by: M80B at December 16, 2011 06:24 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Clarence at December 16, 2011 06:25 PM (z0HdK)
They're best observed from below.
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at December 16, 2011 06:25 PM (6GvAC)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 16, 2011 06:26 PM (s7mIC)
I shall, thanks. I like the songs on Let It Be quite a bit. It is an *ahem* under-rated album.
Posted by: fluffy at December 16, 2011 10:21 PM (O6q63)
If the original had been released in the "Naked' format, we'd be talking about it the same way as the rest of their albums.
Posted by: StPatrick_TN at December 16, 2011 06:26 PM (D+phB)
Posted by: Clarence at December 16, 2011 10:25 PM (z0HdK)
My intervention is coming on November 6, 2012
At least I don't need a lobotomy like you
Posted by: chemjeff at December 16, 2011 06:27 PM (s7mIC)
That's why Barky was trying to kill Keystone XL, then.
You fucking idiot.
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 16, 2011 06:27 PM (xQeIb)
Posted by: Hitch at December 16, 2011 06:28 PM (Esl7g)
If Obama vetoes this after repeatedly declaring that "we can't wait" for a decision on the payroll tax holiday, even some of his die-hard supporters will be angry at him.
Posted by: M80B at December 16, 2011 06:30 PM (d6QMz)
I'm just following your method with your laughably-wrong S&P stat, Professor Crack Spread. Choke on it.
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 16, 2011 06:32 PM (xQeIb)
Posted by: Arbalest at December 16, 2011 06:32 PM (l/r8R)
The Nick Adams stories
The Sun Also Rises
The Movable Feast
Ive read them all
continue
Posted by: Hitch at December 16, 2011 06:35 PM (Esl7g)
Posted by: M80B at December 16, 2011 10:30 PM (d6QMz)
Yeah, but why wouldn't he:
1. veto it
2. blame Republicans some more
3. give a speech
He wants to be re-elected, and damn the little people, right? So I'm thinking he is absoultely willing to let the benefits expire if he thinks he can blame it on Republicans
Posted by: chemjeff at December 16, 2011 06:40 PM (s7mIC)
His second term, he will be true...
Posted by: Hitch at December 16, 2011 06:43 PM (Esl7g)
Posted by: Waterhouse at December 16, 2011 06:46 PM (xQeIb)
1. veto it
2. blame Republicans some more
3. give a speech
He wants to be re-elected, and damn the little people, right? So I'm thinking he is absoultely willing to let the benefits expire if he thinks he can blame it on Republicans.He spent a lot of political capital trying to get this deal done. Walking-away from a bipartisan deal with popular provisions-- especially when his numbers on the economy are dismal-- is not going to help him electorally.
Posted by: M80B at December 16, 2011 06:48 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: Texas T at December 16, 2011 06:49 PM (OtTVf)
Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at December 16, 2011 06:50 PM (nLQ9d)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 16, 2011 06:54 PM (s7mIC)
Never trust him for anything ever. Especially when he "gives" you something.
That's going to be a tough sell after he threatened to veto it.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at December 16, 2011 06:55 PM (SY2Kh)
He could but it would be politically risky.
Posted by: M80B at December 16, 2011 06:58 PM (d6QMz)
Posted by: president o'bumbles at December 16, 2011 07:01 PM (sHY5w)
Posted by: Ghost of John Brown at December 16, 2011 07:03 PM (cBcNP)
Posted by: Deety at December 16, 2011 08:37 PM (Pm8ax)
Well Barky is going to have to make a decision. Tough noogies. And the Sierra Club can kiss my a@#.
I was talking with an enviroloon on Monday night. Their real push here is to stop production of the Canadian tar sands because it's wrecking the planet. They really believe that bogus BS. And the Canadians have told them to go hump a moose---or something like that. Good on you Canucks.
Posted by: Comanche Voter at December 16, 2011 09:06 PM (3ESDJ)
Excellent blog, thanks for the share. I'll be a regular viewer.
Posted by: Apollo’s Angels ePub at December 16, 2011 09:39 PM (OI9a+)
All fine and dandy, but what's the point of repeatedly extending unemployment insurance? It doesn't put people back to work.
Concentrate on changing the atmosphere to one of being business-friendly, instead of business-hostile, and unemployment insurance payouts will fall as companies start to hire again.
Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at December 16, 2011 10:06 PM (KXXIv)
Posted by: corsets at December 17, 2011 05:33 AM (HvC/j)
Posted by: Stan at December 17, 2011 05:58 AM (N1Gru)
Posted by: ciceroskip at December 17, 2011 06:14 AM (SNgOn)
Posted by: David at December 17, 2011 07:11 AM (5ANyb)
"unless President Obama explicitly says the pipeline is not in the national interest and kills it"
And that's exactly what he's going to do. duh! 'The national interest' will become a laundry list of evils conveniently left in a maynaise jar on the front porch of the White House by person or persons unknown (but seen driving away in a van with 'Sierra Club' on the side).
choose one:
A) a small fish nobody's ever heard of will be inconvenienced
B) a herd of 12 deer will be traumatized to death by the sight of humans during the construction
C) America burning the fuel from this is going to kill the Polar Bears but China burning the same fuel will not
D) [fill in the blank with your favorite]
E) all the above
Posted by: chuck in st paul at December 17, 2011 08:01 AM (EhYdw)
Posted by: corsets at December 17, 2011 05:00 PM (if4ZB)
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