Good point over on Redstate:

The tea party movements won in November. Winners don't go on shooting sprees.

Newsrooms/studios sacked, editors/producers on trial.

Sheriff Dupnik spoke directly to what we can only presume are the hosts of radio talk shows and cable news programs when he said: " Inflaming the American public by those who get paid to do that. It might be free speech but it does not come without consequences."

You dont know the half of it

One veteran Democratic operative, who blames overheated rhetoric for the shooting, said President Barack Obama should carefully but forcefully do what his predecessor did.
“They need to deftly pin this on the tea partiers,” said the Democrat. “Just like the Clinton White House deftly pinned the Oklahoma City bombing on... the militia and anti-government people.”

http://tinyurl.com/2atlt5v

http://p

review.tinyurl.com/2vpxdrt

It really upsets me that adults behave like this. I don't let my kids get away with it...what's wrong with these people??

And what do we do about it? People have been pointing it out again and again. The internet lets us capture pictures like the Daily Kos target at the same time they are screaming about Palin using a target. Doesn't seem to slow them down a bit. So what now? Drive the MSN out of business, I guess and continue to point and laugh at the bloggers.

In a way, the response to the shootings reminded me of the left's response to the collapse of the global warming sham - it doesn't matter what the facts are, I know what the answer should be.

Reality-based? More like primitive superstitions.

The direct calls for guns and shooting have come only from the left:

Obama: "they bring a knife we bring a gun"

Kanjorski: "Instead of running for governor of Florida, they ought to have him [sic] and shoot him. Put him against the wall and shoot him..."

Sheriff Dupnik - D spoke directly to what we can only presume are the hosts of radio talk shows and cable news programs when he said: " Inflaming the American public by those who get paid to do that. It might be free speech but it does not come without consequences."

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 09, 2011 10:45 AM (c0A3e)

FTFY.

In my morning paper is a map showing the suspect reportedly lived about 5 miles from the crime scene.  Sure seems to me like a simple random crime of opportunity for a lunatic.

I never thought liberals could sink any lower into staggering idiocy and tactlessness than they did during the Ft. Hood shooting.  Yesterday changed my mind.  It's like liberals said, why wait for the facts?  Let's just construct a moronic fantasy where a normal person is driven into a homidical rage because he saw a campaign map with crosshairs on it.  Let's take this imaginary little world we live in and present it as fact.

Yesterday convinced me that liberals are incapable of rational thought and I will never again waste my time arguing with them.  They cannot be reasoned with and should be ignored, online and in real life.

Byron York has a great article comparing the media reaction to the Ft. Hood shooting and this senseless act...

...and the MFM wonders why they're not taken seriously

Ugh, and the stuff the sherrif said. Horrible. See the link in the Legal Ins. comments--end of the comments currently, by "Right Klik".

And, unfortunately, Arizona I believe has become sort of the capital. We have become the Mecca for prejudice and bigotry.”

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 09, 2011 10:58 AM (cQfrc)

True that.

Posted by: Andy at January 09, 2011 10:52 AM (veZ9n)"

I'll drive.

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 09, 2011 10:58 AM (XdlcF)

Dupnik seems like a real grandstanding POS.

Oops, I don't know how Kratos managed it, but his comment was invisible to me until I posted something similiar.

I blame the Tea Party.

Byron York  - Remember how the media told us not to jump to conclusions on the Fort Hood murders.  13 people murdered in cold blood by a proven radical Islamist - and we were told to "shut up".

Google: 'Warren "Bones" Bonesteel, "Open Letter: Rise of Extremism"'

The  political rhetoric used by both sides over the last decade can only end in tragedy.

 Both sides need to tone it down and act as if they were men and women of courage and honor, instead of acting - and speaking - as if they were spoiled brats.

Posted by: Boris Yeltsin at January 09, 2011 10:59 AM (4sQwu) 

There's a ton of BS right there; anonymous???...not with the current regime in office.  My conscience is clean with what I post / say...MSM...?, meh - not so much.

If that KOS Krazy person who tried to commit suicide at KOS (read the whole thing - the guy is a nut job) doens't have blood on his hands, I don't know who does.

Posted by: lowandslow at January 09, 2011 11:00 AM (GZitp)

NOW YOU'RE GETTING IT!!!eleventy!!!11!!

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 11:04 AM (0aJSF)

I'd have to start to stop.

Remember, if you are against ObamaCare, you are the reincarnation of Timothy McVeigh.

That means something changed in the matrix post.

No, I was just being silly and blaming him for my inability to read. Seemed to be the popular thing to do...

Posted by: Kemp at January 09, 2011 11:08 AM (JpFM9)

Thanks for tomorrow's headline and lead!

Seeing comments around the web that he's a paranoid schizophrenic, I hope he doesn't get off on an insanity defense.

I think if one's mental illness has progressed to premeditated murder that execution is the best therapy.

The first news of the shooting I saw yesterday showed a photograph of Giffords posing with now-Speaker Boehner (he was holding the gavel).  My initial reaction - I didn't know her party affiliation - was that a Republican had been shot by a disgruntled leftist.

Only the left has prominent members, such as Van Jones and Francis Piven, calling for the necessity of violence.  The Tea Party and other conservative groups are not violent.  Only the right has demonstrations by hundreds of thousands of people where the end result is that they pick up all the trash.  Leftists leave a trail of wreckage in their wake.

The more we learn about this lunatic, the more we see that he leaned toward the left in his political orientation.

Excellent points, Gabriel.

Posted by: nickless at January 09, 2011 11:10 AM (MMC8r)

FTFY

Update:  Congresswoman Giffords took part in the reading of the Constitution on the floor of the House last week, an event which was denounced by the left-blogosphere and some Democrats as a stunt and fetish:

Be sure to scroll all the way down for the link at Legal Insurection.  One thing is for sure- the "right" is a million times better at investigating the truth.  the left-wing MSM are only good at one thing - shoveling an agenda - facts be damned.

The more we learn about this lunatic, the more we see that he leaned toward the left in his political orientation.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at January 09, 2011 11:11 AM (S2+uh)

THE DEUCE YOU SAY!

"Update:  Congresswoman Giffords took part in the reading of the Constitution on the floor of the House last week, an event which was denounced by the left-blogosphere and some Democrats as a stunt and fetish:"

forgot to quote Legal Insurection...

How do these people drive? Run a stop sign and blame the Tea Party for putting the sign there and at the same time claim that the sign was pointing the other way?

If that KOS Krazy person who tried to commit suicide at KOS (read the whole thing - the guy is a nut job) doens't have blood on his hands, I don't know who does.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 09, 2011 11:03 AM (0fzsA)

Yep, that asswipe posted his vile just a couple days before the shooting.   It makes much more sense that he would have been responsible for motivating the shooter than Palin posting an election strategy last freakin' March.

Plus, the left (DLC), and Marcos Mooseslips specifically, don't want to say sqaut about their own electoral maps that were posted that targeted and put a bullseye on ousting Giffords, because they thought she was too moderate.   And, those maps were posted using actual bullseyes.

They are just creaming thinking they can use this tragedy to destroy Palin for good.   Fuck 'em in the squeekhole, sideways, with a rusty hammer.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 11:15 AM (0aJSF)

A poorly drawn cartoon and a wholly illogical, hate-infused screed. He's predictable that way.

hoping that it will be another Timothy McVeigh so they can smear conservatives.

Not that he was exactly "conservative"...

Horrible event. My prayers to the innocent victims of this heinous act and their families. Not a day, one might have hoped, for scoring political points. But they can't help themselves, it's what tey do, what they always do, they never rest. So, in partial response:

-We still don't know the facts of who this guy was, not near enough to label him. (After all, the left hates" labels" - except when they don't.).

-The very preliminary information indicates that this guy is far more of a total nutcase scumbag than a number of other violent offenders of this type. Everyone urged "caution" in those other instances, even when the attacker(s) clearly held a political/religious agenda.

-The sad fact is, the left far, far more often uses violence up to and including assassination to advance their agenda. Pretty exhaustively documented by Ann Coulter in (I believe) Victim.

-Someone on the conservative side of the spectrum, not just the blogosphere, needs to stand up and call BS! on this. Someone prominent, I don't know offhand who in the R party has the stones or presence.

\-Time to just say, "No, you bastards are not putting some horsecollar around anyone's neck." Not after the rhetoric George Bush heard for eight years complete with assassination films and scenarios. Not after the long standing track record of leftist violence in the name of their political views. Not after Ayers publicly regretted not bombing enough. Not after the MSM characterized the Uni-bomber as "someone who acted as he believed". Not after Whoopi hosts the Oscars and says she wishes someone had been around to do to Bob Dole what Lorena Bobbitt did to her memberless husband. If you want to count incidents tit for tat from the left and right, bring it on, lefties, but believe me, you will NOT like the record that is created.

-This is starting to become a bit similar to the race card, and there is no need for conservatives or Republicans to allow themselves be intimidated by false premises again.

-It goes on and on and on with these hypocrites and needs to be stopped short once and for all when the dust settles.

Posted by: Cahrles Jhonson at January 09, 2011 11:15 AM (yQWNf)

Here's a tip -- F Off!

The lines in the sand got drawn in again -- pray for the republic.

hoping that it will be another Timothy McVeigh so they can smear conservatives.

Not that he was exactly "conservative"...

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 09, 2011 11:17 AM (XdlcF)

No, he wasn't but the MFM have labeled him as one and use him as the broad brush to smear conservatives. The MFM never let the truth get in their way of pushing their agenda

Sorry, need to edit my lasty comment.   Blame for the shooting needs to be placed on the asswipe that did it.

I was placing blame for the violent rhetoric on Van Jones and the Piven bitch. 

Posted by: Kemp at January 09, 2011 11:26 AM (JpFM9)

First coherent thought here today...SECOND!

Posted by: Kemp at January 09, 2011 11:22 AM (JpFM9)

We dig you, Man!...need a job?

Posted by: kbdabear at January 09, 2011 11:26 AM (vdfwz)

Thanx for the visual!!!!111!!elventy!!

They are just creaming thinking they can use this tragedy to destroy Palin for good.   Fuck 'em in the squeekhole, sideways, with a rusty hammer.

Posted by: Steph

No kidding. 

Sickening, these (from Crooks & Liars' Open Thread last night):

"Indictment For  Murder - S. Palin is clearly responsible for this tragedy. How soon will the FBI be on her doorstep with a warrant for her arrest?"

"Sarah could get the Manson charges - Manson was never within miles of the two murder scenes but he got a life sentence for urging and fomenting the murders.  What is the difference between Manson and Sarah?"

"I know what you're saying. The USA is probably the worst place on earth to be poor and/or underprivileged (a minority too). At least in third world countries, everyone is poor right along with you, or in Europe (and Canada, less so) there is more help available, but in America you are scorned and/or invisible. If you're poor in America, it's your fault and you deserve it. (Know what I mean?)"

And Suzietheblowupdoll's suitor, C&L's own "ron" had this wisdom to impart, "I had heard that he was shot and subdued. Any body that tries to claim that this guy is mentally ill or just a nutcase let me be the first to let you know, he has been brainwashed by the Rush, Fox and other MSM that put out the garbage that is called news. These people don't just think up shit like what happened tday without some provacation."

 Excuse me?

On the coroner's report for the old media, this episode will be noted as the moment when it finally lost all bowel control.

A shooter, who is described by a liberal high school classmate and former bandmate as "disturbed... very left wing," whose FB page notes fave books as Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto, is magically transmorgrified into a Tea Party zombie under the mind control of Sarah Palin. And it's not just insane drooler leftwing crank sites peddling this; it's CNN, MSNBC, The Atlantic, NYT, places purportedly stocked with the creme of our nation's journalism talent. Places with 401-K plans and advertising sales departments.

What, or who, inspired the shooter? Despite all his apparent enthusiasm for "V" style, anti-globo black bloc conspiracy nuttery, I'll avoid the temptation to attribute it to his hard left politics, or pot smoking, or book fair volunteerism. The guy was, as far as anybody can say, a nut with a gun. But it's obvious he has inspired half the media to go on an indiscriminate character assassination spree.

Posted by: Kemp at January 09, 2011 11:26 AM (JpFM9)

Until then....

Posted by: Charlie "Bionic Bicycle" Yohannesnn at January 09, 2011 11:30 AM (kb0wl)

ROTFLMAO!!!

my 2 cents, the more the lame a$$ media tries to pin this on Palin or the tea party, the more it will lose that argument.

Independents are independents for a reason, the ones who don't like Palin will use any excuse to blame Palin, but independent minded people don't trust the media anyways and have now learned to ignore it.

I agree with many other posters above.  This is going to get nasty.  Regardless of what is found of about this POS shooter, the meme is written.  This crisis will not go to waste.  The Alinsky tactics are being followed.  This is the medium to shut the Tea Party up.  What damn hypocrits they are as Byron York so clearly demonstrated in his aritcle.  We need to counter this quickly, deftly, and loudly. 

Well, at least the President managed to refrain from any "shout outs" during his statement.

Progress!

Perhaps by conservatives they are not taken seriously, but they are taken as gospel by those with little time nor capacity for reflective analysis, which is the vast majority.  And therein lies the danger we face. 

Spot on sir.

Hillbuzz has a list of the victims.  I pray for them and their families.  The 9 year old girl is especially heartbreaking.  I pray that Congresswoman Giffords makes a full recovery.

Victims, murdered in cold blood by a guy who reads the same brain-rot communist books as democrat progressives.

Posted by: Holger at January 09, 2011 11:37 AM (YxGud)

Agreed.  the centerist dems who are now ex-dems already experienced this in '08, most us didn't believe it until it happened to our candidate that we supported, Hillary, who happened to be a democrat. The media is losing more and more of its power, they can spew all the nonsense they want, how effective is it when fewer and fewer people listen to it or believe it?

Well, at least the President managed to refrain from any "shout outs" during his statement.

Progress!

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 09, 2011 11:37 AM (XdlcF)

Yeah, there's that, but he did refer to Giffords in the past tense in his remarks.

I'd like to know if Loughner ever read KOS.  I bet if he did, the media will cover it up.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 09, 2011 11:41 AM (mHQ7T)

With her mind.

For sure the FBI has his computer. Wish we could know his browser history.

I'd like to know if Loughner ever read KOS.  I bet if he did, the media will cover it up.

 Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 09, 2011 11:41 AM (0fzsA)

The feds will know when they look at his computer, but...well, it's the feds.

Posted by: CDR M at January 09, 2011 11:43 AM (5I8G0)

You're kidding, right?  That kind of shit goes right over their head.   They never see it in themselves.

Didn't you think it was weird that Rosen on Fox News said he spoke with Jared Taylor (Yale educated) founder of American Renaissance and the description of the organization was quite different from what it is being portrayed by the leftwing?  Even the DHS said it had some very bigoted views and such but that is was some sort of a think tank quasi-scientific research group all about finding out whether blacks are inferior to whites.

Seriously, is this group really the big bad wolf here or is the Government trying to come up with something to pin the right wing down on. 

This nutjob was reading Mein Kompf and The Communist Manifesto and is always a rightwinger?  Doesn't jive.

We either follow laws or we don't.  It starts at the top.

Posted by: your name here at January 09, 2011 11:47 AM (0YS61)

You know what I think that is?   Just a guy they saw in the security tapes from the store that they can't identify.  The guy looks like some homeless vagrant.  I would venture to say that we'll find out he has nothing to do with it.

Big Sis probably saw that tape and said, "OMG!   He looks like a rightwinger.   Git 'im!".

A professional law officer does not say shit about an on-going investigation like that. 

True.  Herein lies the problem.  A political crap weasel will did say that shit.

Posted by: eman at January 09, 2011 11:36 AM (0aJSF)

HAIL CAESAR!!!

Posted by: Terrye at January 09, 2011 12:00 PM (Pr8hY)

Merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the Left...if that is bickering to you, so be it.

DailyKOS called for her death TWO DAYS AGO!

http://tinyurl.com/23c4xtd

Diarist BoyBlue called for Giffords death on DailyKOS two days ago.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at January 09, 2011 12:00 PM (4ucxv)

You sure?  I thought it was in the commerce clause.

Posted by: Oldsailor at January 09, 2011 12:01 PM (AovJ3)

RIGHT ON, MAN -- IT'S WHAT I DO, MANNNN!!!...MAKE PEOPLE SMILE, MAN!!!...now WHERE'S MY BONG, MAN?

"[This event] makes you worry about a free and open government." - Juan Williams

Perhaps the ever-inciteful Mr. Williams has a few suggestions as to how we can alleviate this problem.

Posted by: Terrye at January 09, 2011 12:00 PM (Pr8hY)

If we keep quiet the other side will dictate the storyline. Continually taking the high road has gotten us nowhere.

Posted by: CDR M at January 09, 2011 11:47 AM (5I8G0)

Murderer!

Posted by: Joe at January 09, 2011 12:06 PM (rthv6)

Come for the Morons -- witless the idiocy.

Posted by: Joe at January 09, 2011 12:06 PM (rthv6)

Oh yeah, 'Joe'...one last thing -- fuck off, cockholster.

Posted by: CDR M at January 09, 2011 12:08 PM (5I8G0)

Yeah, I saw what you did there.

'Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personalize It and Polarize It.' - Saul Alinsky, Rules for Radicals.

Clearly this is a case of some men (and women) with pens not being capable of controlling their projections onto the man with the gun.

At least that's what I'm seeing -- doesn't matter though; it's dangerous nonetheless.

The fact that this guy is a lefty and initiated violence should be pushed and pushed HARD. The fact is, the left would show us no consideration, and even now tries to use this as a method of silencing and expelling us from society.

This is another example of how the left resorts to violence when lying, browbeating, and rigging the system doesn't work.

No, this guy, while crazy, did what all lefties wish they could do - execute anyone with whom they don't agree.

This guy let the mask slip.

Posted by: Oldsailor at January 09, 2011 12:14 PM (AovJ3)

Count on being inundated with teh stoopid!!!

Posted by: Pissed Mom at January 09, 2011 12:10 PM (4owEK)

I'm late responding to your initial post but I'm 100% in agreement with you.  I've discussed this in another forum but even though my children are adults I still feel a sense of responsibility for them.  The feds have, as usual, done what they can to make this an I'm ok/You're ok bowl of mush but I say fuck that shit.  My flesh and blood are a reflection on me and always will be until the lights go out.

 Actually, in  most of the comments here, just change a few nouns and it reads like a Kos comment section.

 The political rhetoric from boths sides is off in the weeds. Both sides demonize the other and acuse the other of being evil.

 Study some history. Hell, study current events around the world. When political opponents reach this stage of rhetoric and self-justification, there's only one end result. (lots of death and destruction.)

 Boths sides blame the other, but neither looks in the mirror.

Who's more delusional, the shooter or Riviera?

Tough call.

Posted by: prettypinkfluffypanties at January 09, 2011 11:30 AM (cQfrc)

When you go to the story there is poll, is Sarah responsible?

Guess what percentage of NY Daily News readers think she is?

68%

Maybe it's time to flood the poll?

So - I guess the only last grasp the left have to blame the "right" or "Palin" or  the"tea party" is the southern poverty law cernter's claim that the guy was a memeber of some white militia.  Of course, SPL is not quit a respectable or honest news reporting agency - they have a far left-wing agenda and are known to spin half-truths and lies.

And they don't even mention the killers own profile what we do know about the shooter - his favorite books: Marx, Engels "The communist manifesto"  and Hitler's struggle.

Posted by: Retread at January 09, 2011 12:22 PM (okCHU)

No it wasn't accurate.

 Study some history. Hell, study current events around the world. When political opponents reach this stage of rhetoric and self-justification, there's only one end result. (lots of death and destruction.)

 Boths sides blame the other, but neither looks in the mirror.

 Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at January 09, 2011 12:20 PM

Well, your hero David No Labels Frum pinned this on Sarah Palin too. Go walk over to the mirror yourself. Put your pants on first, it's unsightly to watch yourself as you beat off to the sound of your own voice

So when Mr. Obama brags about listening to the gangster rappers, Nas, Lil Wayne and Jay Z who all glamorize gang violence with F this N that and misogyny, it is somehow alright?  Where the world is the media calling out the president on the disgusting influence this stuff has on the culture and the mores of the youth?

The left is orchestrating a disgusting attack on conservatives.  The left is engaged in spreading lies.  We must continue to speak the truth and expose the left for who they are. 

The left is going to move the horrible events of yesterday into a truncated news cycle that will be furthering their anti-conservative meme.

Perhaps Sherriff Dupnik should look at the leader of his own party and then their media mouth pieces before he vents his partisan screed. 

My prayers go out to the victims and their families and to our nation in this hour. And hour in which the mainstream media is coopting to further its agenda, how very sad indeed for our nation. The fourth estate no longer exists and those that do speak up doing what the media is supposed to do, are the ones being blamed and castigated for society's ills.

Who's more delusional, the shooter or Riviera?

Tough call.

UPDATE:  Bonesteel

Oh look - Hollywood's biggest Communist (and baby killer) blames Palin.

Oh look - Hollywood'sbiggest Communist (and baby killer) blames Palin.

Scroll up for Ms. Fonda's comment.

Actually, in  most of the comments here, just change a few nouns and it reads like a Kos comment section.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at January 09, 2011 12:20 PM (wjYaM)

Actually, you're full of shit.   I spent the better part of the night reading the BS on KOS, because I couldn't sleep.   What is posted on this site is nowhere near the vitriol and hate that was spouted over there.

 Boths sides blame the other, but neither looks in the mirror.

Actually, in  most of the comments here, just change a few nouns and it reads like a Kos comment section.

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at January 09, 2011 12:20 PM (wjYaM)

Actually, you're full of shit.   I spent the better part of the night reading the BS on KOS, because I couldn't sleep.   What is posted on this site is nowhere near the vitriol and hate that was spouted over there.

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 12:28 PM (KqBTY)

There is nothing here that even remotely resembles the insanity and vitriol posted on those sites.  You Warren, are a troll.

Not a very good one either.

Posted by: Andy at January 09, 2011 12:26 PM (veZ9n)

Demonstably False.  Markos Moulitsas and Matthew Yglesias threw the first pies.  Along with Paul Krugman and certain elected (D) officials.

Go catch up at Legal Insurrection.

Posted by: nickless at January 09, 2011 12:29 PM (MMC8r)

I was never under any illusion that they'd voluntarily disbanded; those fucking koolaid drinkers are incapable of critical self-analysis.

Speaking of cocksuckers, it would be nice of turds like Rove could come out with a strong statement against the baseless attacks on Palin, assuming he disagrees with them.

Journolist 1.0 never entirely ceased.  Interesting how every sunday political show that had congressman Issa on last week also ran the exact same radio clip from Issa's call to Rush from last October.  

Folks, the MSM and the progressives are breeding a dangerous climate, they are promoting division and hate by ironically labeling otheres as same.

Today is Sunday.  Pray for our country. 

When rational discourse is squandered, we lose everything.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at January 09, 2011 12:34 PM (G/MYk)

You actually question Holder's Justice Department?   For shame!

Posted by: Kemp at January 09, 2011 12:38 PM (JpFM9)

YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

Posted by: Kemp at January 09, 2011 12:40 PM (JpFM9)

Testing!!!...1...2...3!...TESTING!...Come in, DiT...come in , over!

Posted by: curious at January 09, 2011 12:41 PM (p302b)

Oh I have no doubt that he read it and with a straight face too. Fox hasn't exactly been a beacon of light for this event either, especially F&F this morning.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 09, 2011 12:44 PM (olKiY)

--Yep, just read it, agree.  Not gonna follow the links, but I did save Legal Insurrection for later.  Wish I had time to read more than 25 comments, but I'm cooking.

Posted by: ChuckOH at January 09, 2011 12:46 PM (qxiN4)

--I would not be surprised if more leftoids followed her on Facebook and Twitter than supporters.

Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2011 12:45 PM (M9Ie6)

Fox is almost as bad as the alphabet stations; a good first step would be to send Shemp and Jerry Rivers packing.

Posted by: curious at January 09, 2011 12:48 PM (p302b)

Was just reading that story -- just reinforces the thought/adage of why do some run toward the fire while others run away?  Kept his cool and probably did help keep both her and her will to live alive...an honorable young man.

Posted by: CDR M at January 09, 2011 12:41 PM (5I8G0)

--If it can't be the Chiefs, I just want anyone but the Patriots to win.

Doesn't Target use a bullseye logo?  Ack, even the name Target!  "Come see the violence inherent in the system!"

Don't be.  Those 52% are easily led and fooled.

Posted by: CDR M at January 09, 2011 12:50 PM (5I8G0)

Unicorns and rainbows keep us happy!!!

"Both sides demonize the other and acuse the other of being evil."

Ok, but what if one side is right about the other side being evil?

--If it can't be the Chiefs, I just want anyone but the Patriots to win.

Posted by: logprof at January 09, 2011 12:52 PM (BP6Z1)

Why? -- why are you a hater? Is it because of my beautiful, yet balding, Tommy?

Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2011 12:54 PM (M9Ie6)

I was sort of half listening.  What caught my attention was the last part about recusal.  I really really hope they say this again.

This is what violent political rhetoric looks like:

Suddenly Emanuel grabbed his steak knife and, as those who were there remember it, shouted out the name of another enemy, lifted the knife, then brought it down with full force into the table.

''Dead!'' he screamed.

The group immediately joined in the cathartic release: ''Nat Landow! Dead! Cliff Jackson! Dead! Bill Schaefer! Dead!''

"Cathartic release."  That's what the NYT calls an orgy of death threats.  Not only did Rahm do this, but everybody in the room joined in.

Posted by: curious at January 09, 2011 12:55 PM (p302b)

We're bigger than those now!!!

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 09, 2011 12:55 PM (Ka/Mg)

Maybe he's just relishing the spotlight and messing up his lines.

Posted by: curious at January 09, 2011 12:59 PM (p302b)

No love for Animal House?

"Cathartic release."  That's what the NYT calls an orgy of death threats.  Not only did Rahm do this, but everybody in the room joined in.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 09, 2011 12:58 PM (BvBKY)

Oh please -- Mr. Rahm and his group were just participating in a Cathartic relief session which allowed them to 'tap-into' their deeply painful traumatic experiences - the value of catharsis in healing the troubled is really quite profound.

Posted by: Nighthawk at January 09, 2011 12:55 PM (Ka/Mg)

Part of the memo sent out by Big Sis around 6 ish last night...

* suspectÂ’s mother works for the Pima County Board of Supervisors
* the suspect has multiple arrests Â… But no criminal record? Intervention by someone?

I'd say covering his ass is a good possiblity.

Funny how that finger points both ways, isn't it.

(Jeffersonian Democrat, here, Morons.)

I do believe that every citizen should be armed (even the insane would then hesitate to shoot up an innocent crowd of shoppers) and I'm begining to wonder if implementing a code duello wouldn't be such a bad idea. The thought of the possible consequences of an ill-spoken word would do wonders for civilizing the national conversation. We would have to endure a few years of relative chaos while the Darwin Effect works its magic, but still...it is a thought.

If the Sherrif beleived all the stuff he was saying and that Mrs. Giffords was in danger why wasn't he protecting her from the left winger that shot her?

He was negligent and now doing a poor job of covering his ass.

Posted by: Y-not at January 09, 2011 01:09 PM (IDL9N)

Mine, too.   You know, like Loughlin...Loughner.   Lofflin...Loffner.

Sounds the same.

A Palestinian shot RFK.

....and a Russian -trained communist shot his older brother. Funny how that fact is generally left out of the narrative

You should have seen it before.  The left and the MFM ran with this exact same line, and the same map, about a year ago.  They stopped quickly because it was so stupid.  People understand what normal usage of these words and symbols are.  CNN had Crossfire, with crosshairs as its logo, for years.  The argument is just too stupid.  That's why I was so surprised that pulled the same exact thing out.  It is truly odd.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at January 09, 2011 12:49 PM (G/MYk)

But they fertilized the ground with that map.  That was the point, to set the stage so that any action at any time for any reason could be blamed on the map.

The whole "atmosphere" and "rhetoric" argument came out during Oklahoma City, too.  They couldn't blame anybody specifically (McVeigh was way out on the fringes) so they started on the "atmosphere."  The real target then was Limbaugh and he pushed back.

Note: Not Newt, but Limbaugh.  Similarly, they go after Palin, not Boehner.

What they are really trying to do is separate the base of the Republican party from the elected officials.  They're trying to make the rabble so unsavory that the "reasonable" GOP Congressman will want to bend over backwards to not be associated with their base.

I don't think it will work as well this time. 

Posted by: Vic at January 09, 2011 01:13 PM (M9Ie6)

Unemployment check?

I could get one, but it would be a very significant purchase and it would hamper me in other areas. But I have a steady income. This guy wasn't working and he recently got kicked out of college.

Yeah, but it wasn't clear that he cared too much about how much money he'd have on January 9, because I think he figured he'd be dead today.

Mom made decent money.  He might have gotten upwards of $400 from grandparents over Christmas.

I think the kid was enabled, but I think the evidence is in his arrest record.

Posted by: Sponge at January 09, 2011 01:25 PM (CdX9

That...that's just not working for us -- we need a better hook.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 01:25 PM (b00Ut)

That really wouldn't be relevant here!

From  what I read in today's paper, the guy sounds like a truther.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 01:30 PM (b00Ut)

We do have a knack for certain things!!!...you should see us type and whack at the same time!!!

Oh my...Sheriff Dickface says, because of AZ's gun laws, evidently "We are Tombstone."

Well, you know some of us wondered a while back when the first bad act of violence would happen.   We were all pretty damn sure it wouldn't be our side.   This shit is bad.   Real bad.

how can any of them keep a straight face about dangerous rhetoric while doing it in Real Time?

jeeze it's so bizzare, i feel like i've stepped into a twilight zone movie.

McGahee said he had to make several complaints before administrators finally removed Loughner.

“They just said, ‘Well, he hasn’t taken any action to hurt anyone. He hasn’t provoked anybody. He hasn’t brought any weapons to class,’” McGahee recalled. “‘We’ll just wait until he takes that next step.’”

On his first day in class, McGahee said, Loughner yelled out a random number during a lesson, then asked the instructor a strange question. “How can you deny math instead of accepting it?” he yelled…

On another test, McGahee said, Loughner wrote the words “Eat+Sleep+Brush Teeth=Math.” “He just miserably failed the test,” McGahee said.

On another test, McGahee said, Loughner wrote the words “Eat+Sleep+Brush Teeth=Math.” “He just miserably failed the test,” McGahee said.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at January 09, 2011 01:43 PM (RsCf

Math tests are the universal determining factor for everything.

Math tests are the universal determining factor for everything.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 09, 2011 01:45 PM (BvBKY)

Ummmm, math is uhhhhhh, hard, Morons...just sayin'.

McGahee said he had to make several complaints before administrators finally removed Loughner.

“They just said, ‘Well, he hasn’t taken any action to hurt anyone. He hasn’t provoked anybody. He hasn’t brought any weapons to class,’” McGahee recalled. “‘We’ll just wait until he takes that next step.’”

I've always been under the impression that I am master of the (University) classroom and I can dismiss any disruptive student for any reason.

If I do so because I don't like the students' face, I'll have to defend it, but all the professor would have to do is get a couple of student witnesses and this guy could have been kept out of the classroom.

Of course, community colleges are different.

Prog logic 101 -

AZ shooter Loughner sees/reads Palin's political target map, but not Kos' political bullseye list, and clearly acting on this info alone, however fleeting the impression, goes on a shooting rampage.  Palin is complicit and must stand to account for her crimes.  Also all talk radio.  Also Fox News.

President Obama sits in a church (or not) for 20 years listening to "GD America" rhetoric - no effect on Obama.  Knows Ayres and Dohrn from the neighborhood, launches his political career from their living room - no effect on Obama.  Mentored by Frank Marshall Davis as a young lad - no effect on Obama.  Steeped his entire life in lefty fringe thinking and associates - no effect on Obama.  Why, he's just a good ol' American child who grew up to be a politically moderate, post-racial, post-bipartisan President.

/sarc off

/rant off

From Big Government...fundraising time for Dems? Goulish...

Tell me about it.

Posted by: AmishDude at January 09, 2011 01:44 PM (BvBKY)

From what I've found, she works for Arizona Parks & Rec.

This guy was schizophrenic.  He's right at the age where it begins. 

_{We'll still be blamed.}

427 Fox says Loughner was invited to the event.

Whoa.  That doesn't help the narrative.

Why, exactly, would he get an invitation?

Why, exactly, would he get an invitation?

Posted by: AmishDude at January 09, 2011 01:50 PM (BvBKY)

Because he is involved in local Democrat politics? Even just attending a few events.

From what I've found, she works for Arizona Parks & Rec.

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 01:49 PM (VuLos)

Big Sis's memo said...oh, hell, lost my mind.   Big Sis is an idiot.   What was I thinking?

i emailed ace this but wasn't sure if anyone else noticed giffords youtube page, it has only 2 subscriptions....one of which is the shooter?? and i heard a couple mins ago on fox that he was an invited guest?

http://tinyurl.com/3y2qs4v

Posted by: Holger at January 09, 2011 01:50 PM (YxGud)

With her mind.

let me try that again...

http://tinyurl.com/3y2qs4v

--I would not be surprised if more leftoids followed her on Facebook and Twitter than supporters.

that's why she plays it so well

Posted by: iknowtheleft at January 09, 2011 12:49 PM (G/MYk)

Never let a good crisis go to waste!

Define "HATE" speech.

Better yet, let Al Sharpton define it.    

With her mind.

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 01:53 PM (KqBTY)

Sarah Palin is the original firestarter.

Posted by: Sponge at January 09, 2011 01:54 PM (CdX9

U did -- 'Hall Pass'...looks more than suckworthy.

Posted by: Anachronda at January 09, 2011 01:52 PM (6fER6)

He seemed quite the eager volunteer. Book fairs, political rallies...

What is truly, almost mind-numbingly astounding is that Krugman is considered a Nobel prize-winning intellect.  From what I've read, he was one of the first to fabricate the meme that Palin is responsible for the shootings.

I can barely bring myself to talk to delusional Democrats anymore.  I now just break out in laughter when I hear B.S. like this.  There is no point in trying for a rational discussion.  Just point and laugh, then walk away.

Grijalva said that Tea Party leader Sarah Palin should reflect on the rhetoric that she has employed. “She — as I mentioned, people contributing to this toxic climate — Ms. Palin needs to look at her own behavior, and if she wants to help the public discourse, the best thing she could do is to keep quiet.”

^This is why.   Why they are going batshit insane trying to paint Sarah as being at fault for this.    They have tried everything they could to shut her up.   They truly believe this will do it.

They're right to an extent.   Their vitriol makes me hate.

He seemed quite the eager volunteer. Book fairs, political rallies...

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 09, 2011 01:58 PM (mHQ7T)

I'm thinking that mom brought him to the book fair.  Living at home, being 22, the parents still can drag him around to things like that.

Boots on necks.

Hit harder.

They bring a knife, we bring a gun.

Who's ass do I kick.
Punish your opponents

Send dead fish to opponenets

WHO'S RHETORIC ?????????

Up next?

There was a recent report that the FCC wnats to create a "security " infrastructure for the internet, so everyone would have a Government internet account.

This, will be pushed, so the FBI and DHS can then monitor crazy people on the Internet....

Never let a crises go to waste.

Posted by: curious at January 09, 2011 02:09 PM (p302b)

Right about what?

 There is no heated rhetoric from Dylan Ratigan, Chris Matthews, Ed Schulze, Keith Olbermann, or Rachel Maddow. Heated rhetoric is only on Fox News.

Linda Lopez(D) is a bitch.  A lying bitch. 

Sarah Palin is the original firestarter.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at January 09, 2011 01:57 PM (mHQ7T)

No, I am!

The interesting pot link is that a number of studies around the world have linked marijuana to increased schizophrenia.

There are many of these studies and they seem to suggest that heavy pot smokers who are predisposed to being schizo tend to develop symptoms earlier than those who don't smoke and the symptoms are increased.

The lead spokesman for the anti-inflammatory movement, however, was Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, whose jurisdiction includes Tucson. Said Dupnik at a Jan. 8 press conference in answer to questions about the criminal investigation:

I'd just like to say that when you look at unbalanced people, how they are—how they respond to the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths, about tearing down the government, the anger, the hatred, the bigotry that goes on in this country is getting to be outrageous. And unfortunately, Arizona, I think, has become sort of the capital. We have become the mecca for prejudice and bigotry.

Embedded in Sheriff Dupnik's ad hoc wisdom were several assumptions. First, that strident, anti-government political views can be easily categorized as vitriolic, bigoted, and prejudicial. Second, that those voicing strident political views are guilty of issuing Manchurian Candidate--style instructions to commit murder and mayhem to the "unbalanced." Third, that the Tucson shooter was inspired by to kill by political debate or by Sarah Palin's "target" map or other inflammatory outbursts. Fourth, that we should calibrate our political speech in such a manner that we do not awaken the Manchurian candidates among us.

And, fifth, that it's a cop's role to set the proper dimensions of our political debate. Hey, Dupnik, if you've got spare time on your hands, go write somebody a ticket.

Sheriff Dupnik's political sermon came before any conclusive or even circumstantial proof had been offered that the shooter had been incited by anything except the gas music from Jupiter playing inside his head.

For as long as I've been alive, crosshairs and bull's-eyes have been an accepted part of the graphical lexicon when it comes to political debates. Such "inflammatory" words as targeting, attacking, destroying, blasting, crushing, burying, knee-capping, and others have similarly guided political thought and action. Not once have the use of these images or words tempted me or anybody else I know to kill. I've listened to, read—and even written!—vicious attacks on government without reaching for my gun. I've even gotten angry, for goodness' sake, without coming close to assassinating a politician or a judge.

Posted by: curious at January 09, 2011 02:14 PM (p302b)

curious, it wouldn't take a genius to know who they would blame it on.  And, I'm sorry, but I have to ask.  When's the last, or even first time, someone on the right did something like this?

Chris Matthews fantasized on air about seeing Rush Limbaugh SHOT IN THE HEAD....

http://tinyurl.com/yl7lfrc

Good for Jack Shafer of Slate.

We saw the "Six Degrees of Incitement" BS with the OKC bombing.  It was ghoulish then and it's ghoulish now.

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at January 09, 2011 02:31 PM (ZHsNw)

Giffords wasn't killed...but to answer your question, I haven't heard anything about the others that were killed.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 02:28 PM (UOM4

The guys at Blackfive are pissed and demanding an apology.  It is derserved, but the bitch will never do it.  

Posted by: curious at January 09, 2011 02:31 PM (p302b)

In rhetoric only.   She voted for the DREAM Act, and votes in lockstep with Pelosi.  

360

Loughlin should not have been on the street and Dripdik knows it.

Posted by: sifty at January 09, 2011 01:04 PM (b00Ut)

Loughlin?  What does the actress that played John Stamos' girlfriend on "Full House" have to do with yesterday's shooting?  Or are you talking about the actor from those bad "Billy Jack" movies from the '60s and '70s? That I could see.  He was/is a Lefty extremist.

Giffords wasn't killed...but to answer your question, I haven't heard anything about the others that were killed.

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 02:34 PM (VuLos)

My sentence construct was poorly formed, and was not meant to suggest that Giffords was killed.  The question was about the souls not mentioned by the media and you affirmed my belief.  There are other's who were murdered who have not been mentioned because they don't represent an exploitable political group?

That's right.  He was quite-clearly not a Tea Party type, but more of a..... Communist?  Maybe.  His Youtube profile listed Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto as favorite books. The videos posted there were incoherent rants on alleged abuses of grammar and language - one could wonder if he was referring to President Clinton and his attempted redefinition of "is", but there wasn't enough mental focus there to know.  The videos are laced with allegations that the government is engaged in "mind control" (although he never explains exactly what he's talking about in that regard.) 

From The Hill:

Freshman Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah), who was elected to office with significant Tea Party backing, said it would be "disrespectful" to use the recent shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) for political gain.

"We all need to resist the impulse to turn it into a political football. This is a tragedy," he said on CNN's "State of the Union." "At this point, it doesn't make any sense to try and turn it into a partisan political battle."

    191   I know that the left started it, but they always do..I just think that maybe it would be a good idea if we let the dead be buried before we started do the usual political back stabbing and accusing and posturing and all the rest.  ~Terrye

Bad idea.

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." Winston Churchill

In case you haven't noticed, we're fighting for our way of life against the Left. 

Posted by: curious at January 09, 2011 02:31 PM (p302b)

Fox has been pushing this meme that she is some kind of conservative Blue Dog based on being big on guns and border control. Both are only rhetoric. She voted for the Dream Act and she has pushed for outlawing semi-auto weapons.

She has an ACU rating for the past two years of 20/20. If a Republican had a rating of 80/80 would they be a liberal "yellow dog"?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 09, 2011 02:47 PM (UOM4

It does seem a bit odd.  I never understood why people agree to those interviews.  I'd be in a fetal position in a corner of a room.

Posted by: havedash at January 09, 2011 03:06 PM (pQJ1M)

These remarks were included in the memo put out by DHS yesterday at 6:00pm.

* suspectÂ’s mother works for the Pima County Board of Supervisors
* the suspect has multiple arrests Â… But no criminal record? Intervention by someone?

Looks like there are definite questions.   Maybe the good sheriff is trying too hard to place blame?

It does seem a bit odd.  I never understood why people agree to those interviews.  I'd be in a fetal position in a corner of a room.

Posted by: Tami at January 09, 2011 03:07 PM (VuLos)

While I was tryig to figure out how to get to the bastard that murdered my child.

You should read the memo the DHS put out yesterday.   Looks like they were already doing a lot of speculation.   In what direction, you ask?    Well, that's easy.

http://tiny.cc/bdzai

Most of it has already been debunked, of course.

Old and (almost) busted:  Blame Boooooosh!

Teh new hotness:  Blame eeeevil Sarah and her Teapartiers!

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at January 09, 2011 03:20 PM (SzycF)

Oh, I'm giving them a pass.  I'm just saying that I would not even be able to construct a sentence, let alone go on news programs and be interviewed.

Well, the lefty meme is slowly, but surely falling apart.   Looks like they found a letter from Giffords to the shooter in his safe at his house.  Dated 2007.  Another envelope with that letter said, in so many words, I have solved my problem, assassination.

Where were Sarah and the Tea Party in '07?   This sick shitbag was just using Giffords to achieve his own annihalation.

What are you going to say now, moonbats?

Junk science = Junk politics

Yet another thing to add to the "Caused by global warming" list ...

Best to stand back and let the left spin out of control on this one. Facts do not matter to them (never have), because they make their own rules as they go along, as we were told by a certain Congressman during the ObamaCare vote/debate. To call them "retarded" is not only inaccurate, but does an unfair and cruel disservice to actual 'retarded' people who have higher IQs than these people and levels of common sense these people could only dream of. No, these people are pathological sociopath arsonists. They are 'bots' for the cause/agenda. Soon this "strawman" in the image of Sarah Palin and the Tea Party will be ignited by a spark of truth and it will completely turn to a pile of ashes at their feet. Fuck`em all.

Looks like there are definite questions. Maybe the good sheriff is trying too hard to place blame?

Posted by: Steph at January 09, 2011 03:14 PM (KqBTY)

If it turns out that Dupnik had ANYTHING to do with dropped charges against the shooter...

I can't even finish that sentence. It's bad enough that he's a false-accusing ideologically-driven idiot, if he turns out to be covering his own ass...