August 15, 2011
— Ace This is my theory. I wouldn't bet my life on it or anything. But it's something that occurred to me.
I know that Palin supporters aren't going to like the theory.
But, here it is:
Palin has for some time been sounding, to me, like someone who would be willing to run, to fill a vacuum, if no good conservative ran, and if the party wished her to run.
In Iowa, she debuted the documentary Undefeated, but didn't announce a run. She showed up in Iowa on Friday, just before the straw poll, but didn't announce a run.
It's my thought that she wasn't announcing a run, but keeping her name out there in people's minds, to remind them that she could serve, if people asked it of her.
Not a declaration, then, but a softer expression of willingness to run, if she were needed.
But even though the Ames straw poll permitted a write-in result, Palin's name was apparently marked only on less than 35 ballots, at most.
The results of the Iowa Republican straw poll of August 13 are: (1) Michelle Bachmann 4,823; (2) Ron Paul 4,671; (3) Tim Pawlenty 2,293; (4) Rick Santorum 1,657; (5) Herman Cain 1,456; (6) Rick Perry 718 (write-in); (7) Mitt Romney 567; (Newt Gingrich 385; (9) Jon Huntsman 69; (10) Thad McCotter 35. There were another 162 scattering votes.
I assume that if Palin's write-ins exceeded Thad McCotter's, she'd be listed in the top ten, so I assume she must have gotten less than 35. Even if I'm wrong on that, she definitely got 162 votes or less (the number of "scattering" votes).
Now Rick Perry had a big advantage over Palin as far as vote-getting -- he declared the day of the straw poll, and furthermore, he had made it increasingly plain all this past week he would declare on Saturday.
Still, he placed 6 in write-ins with 718 -- despite not being an officially declared candidate until just before the polling had begun. Palin, by comparison, did not receive enough votes to appear as a name on the list.
Oh: Perry did have a disadvantage, too -- Rep. King suggested that Perry should be punished for attempting to bigfoot the Ames results.
If my theory is right -- and again, this is just a theory -- then Palin was looking to Iowa to see if there would be a groundswell of support for her, even as an undeclared (but available and weighing options) candidate, and there was no such groundswell, so this would count in her mind as a sign that 2012 isn't her year.
Not that Palin is talking like she's decided against a run.
Sarah Palin has left Iowa, her “One Nation” bus tour stopping in Saturday at the boyhood home of Ronald Reagan in Dixon, Ill., but looking back on her whirlwind visit to the Iowa State Fair on Friday, and some comments she made in response to reporters, it seems she is not just stringing her indecision out for fun and fame. She appears to be weighing her options and believes that the rules of timing and engagement do not apply to her.“Each campaign that I have ever run in these 20 years of elective office have been kind of unconventional, right, Todd? We’ve always been outspent, two-to-one, five-to-one, 10-to-one. Never won any polls heading into election night. But usually won the election. So it would be unconventional and very grass roots.”
She threw a "mild barb" at Perry:
“See, this is what I don’t understand about the press,” Palin said. “You asked me ‘What’s the difference between your experience as a governor and Rick Perry’s?’ and I said there’s two different forms of government in the state of Alaska and in the state of Texas. Alaska has a very powerful executive position. Texas, it’s not as powerful. That doesn’t mean he’s doing a better job or worse job than any other governor, including myself. It just means it’s different.”
Well, come on, it's saying he didn't have much power in Texas.
She also emphasized that Bachmann's win (and Paul's place) was due to simple organizational strength in the state -- an investment of time and, of course, money (which she also emphasized itself) they had put in to winning the straw poll, which she did not. (She didn't say she didn't, but that is self-evident.)
Even if you don't buy my theory, obviously a strong Palin showing in the write-ins would have been a positive signal to her, so at the very least she didn't get that positive signal.
Even if you don't think the results reduced the odds Palin will run, at least it must be conceded that a strong write-in showing could have increased those odds, but failed to do so.
Explanation? This may explain the purpose of her bus tour, which seemed to be engineered to heighten/maintain her relevance in the mix of possible candidates.
She didn't announce or anything, but did seem to be trying to increase her profile. It seemed like a campaign event, but absent a campaign.
If my theory is right, then the bus tour would be an example of her stealth strategy of not declaring, but offering herself to the public; if the public demanded her candidacy, or nominated her (as the old way went) by acclaim, she'd run.
But if that's the case, then her experiment with candidacy-by-acclaim does not seem to be yielding the results she hoped for.
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Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 15, 2011 12:31 PM (FkKjr)
It is only a barb if it isn't true.
Perry entering the race and Bachman winning Iowa should be a clear sign she has no chance to win the nomination.
Secretary of Energy with the task of ending said Department. It's tailor made for her.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 15, 2011 12:32 PM (kaOJx)
I wish she would just say it one way or another.. and if she ain't running, get out of the spotlight.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 15, 2011 12:32 PM (f9c2L)
Posted by: joncelli at August 15, 2011 12:33 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 15, 2011 04:32 PM (f9c2L)
Just aim said spotlight on the miserable failure AKA the JEF
Posted by: Red Shirt at August 15, 2011 12:34 PM (FIDMq)
Posted by: joncelli at August 15, 2011 04:33 PM (RD7QR)
Wait, I'm not going to still be VP in 2013? These job cuts are getting serious now!
Posted by: Joe Biden at August 15, 2011 12:34 PM (7BU4a)
The perfect job for her right now would be following Barry's Magical Misery Tour. Arrive everywhere he stops and just sit and watch and laugh.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at August 15, 2011 12:34 PM (UOM48)
Posted by: steevy at August 15, 2011 12:35 PM (fqRmD)
The perfect job for her right now would be following Barry's Magical Misery Tour. Arrive everywhere he stops and just sit and watch and laugh
Oh, that would be THE BEST. It would drive him bat-shit crazy. I'd pay cash money for that.
Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 15, 2011 12:36 PM (sbV1u)
I'll echo 18-1: I remember her saying she wouldn't run if there was a strong conservative in the race, andf now there is in Bachmann and Perry.
Understand, I love her like a sister (and being from Alabama, that means something), but I think the MFM did their job by making her appear to be something she's not, just like they're trying to do with the Tea Party, and Bachmann, and Perry, et al. I hope she doesn't run and just remains a kingmaker.
I don't think she's electable, and I think she's smart enough to know that. Having said that, if she won the nomination, I'd vote for her in a hearbeat. I still think Perry is the one to beat.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at August 15, 2011 12:36 PM (d0Tfm)
Posted by: joncelli at August 15, 2011 12:37 PM (RD7QR)
Posted by: steevy at August 15, 2011 12:37 PM (fqRmD)
That said, Palin would make a great president.
Posted by: real joe at August 15, 2011 12:37 PM (j+oeN)
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Posted by: Joffen at August 15, 2011 12:38 PM (EPcuy)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 15, 2011 12:39 PM (IG16O)
Sorry, not biting. The "mild barb" is an absolutely true (if slightly {only slightly} uneducated) view of the Governor's role in Texas. Governor Perry has strengthened the office somewhat- since the, the Lt. Governor, the AG, and the Ag Commissioner (Comptroller, too, IIRC) all basically ran as a team (I've heard a couple of political analysts call it 'The Governor and his cabinet'), so- while he doesn't directly have that power- he has very strong political connections with the other offices.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 12:39 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: All 767 Hobbits at August 15, 2011 12:39 PM (jeLTI)
Posted by: Joffen at August 15, 2011 12:39 PM (EPcuy)
Posted by: steevy at August 15, 2011 12:39 PM (fqRmD)
Posted by: joncelli at August 15, 2011 12:40 PM (RD7QR)
Read this post I found from another "pundit", one who I believe does have a memory and can remember things that happened over the last two years... it sums it up nicely. And stop asking if she is running and set up a pool for when she "officially" annnounces for all you dolts who haven't figured it out yet...
"1) In an age of asymmetric warfare, both cold and hot, it is odd that most people, even the people who are sure they are smarter than Palin, donÂ’t get the fact that she is and will be running a asymmetric political campaign.
2) Palin, if you measure across all the states, probably has the best ground game in the United States at this moment. It is uneven but rapidly coalescing and gaining in size and momentum.
How come people donÂ’t donÂ’t about it? Well:
1) the press at itÂ’s best only knows conventional wisdom (the story of her organization will at some point become conventional wisdom)
2) The Palin organization keeps it cards very close to itÂ’s chest
3) The existence of this organization doesnÂ’t fit the present narrative re: Palin
4)The reason Palin was at the Iowa fair was because she was invited by influential political forces to attend. While she was there she met with a number of influential Iowa people.
Reports I have read indicate that working the hustings for Palin is quite an experience. There is a widespread regard, respect and even yearning for her to run, not among the elites and in urban areas (although you would surprised how dynamic NYC Palin supporters are. She probably has surprising strength in the working class boroughs of NYC) but across flyover country which is the bulk of the US. You could see it again in Iowa, fair-goers flocked to her location. She has attracted a large number of Democrats many of whom are very active in her various organizations. Again remember her organizations are the essence of grass roots. They appear, organize and grow without any input from her, a characteristic of asymmetric organizations.
You caught something on this Iowa visit which was also evident on the NE trip. A new relationship is growing between Palin and the press. Although she still has her enemies in the press (Pollutico, for example, will always be her enemy devoted to her destruction) they are warming to her. On the NE trip she gave numerous press interviews till they almost ran out of questions. Scott Conroy said his tape recorder indicated she talked for more than an hour uninterrupted that morning in Iowa. If she keeps feeding them like this they will develop a positive symbiotic relationship. The press loves nothing more than to do itÂ’s job, Palin knows more about the press than one might think. If you watch the unedited tapes of her in Iowa she was very, very, good; knowledgeable, spontaneous, charming.
I think she decided to run a while ago. The present phase will end soon (She told Sky News in Iowa she has to announce in September, her words). Right now she is spending very little money, is not a target, she is getting an enormous return on investment of time and money spent, her organizations grow and self organize with very little cost to her in time and money. Knowledgeable commentators said that if Palin and her organization in Iowa had wanted to win the straw poll they could have, they declined. They think winning the caucus is the prize. By the time she enters a decent chuck of the candidates will have all but eliminated themselves.
Whether this somewhat battered and bruised woman can wrest the Presidency of the US from an establishment dead set against it is an open question. She will never be able to match their money, she is anathema to the political pork-industrial complex. The outcome depends on her, her political skills, her tactical and strategic intelligence, her vision and how effective these nascent political organizations become. I also think a great deal depends on how many people, both powerful and meek, decide to form up at her right hand. I can only report that a number of those very people are doing exactly that as we write. She has been underestimated before."
Posted by: PhilipJames at August 15, 2011 12:41 PM (G9AXq)
Posted by: sonnyspats at August 15, 2011 12:41 PM (I/MzF)
The bottom line is still that to the extent there were voters hungry for 'someone else' they showed up for Perry.
I adore Sarah as much as the next guy, but unless Perry somehow implodes spectacularly, her niche (vocal conservative that makes liberal heads explode at the mere utterance of his/her name) is spoken for. If she was planning to run (and I've agreed with ace for some time that she didn't appear to) holding her announcement back until after Perry's is a major blunder.
Posted by: Methos at August 15, 2011 12:41 PM (sOXQX)
And also quit taking snide potshots at all of the people who are in the race.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 15, 2011 12:42 PM (IG16O)
I think this is a legitimate theory.
I too don't think she's going to run for two reasons
One, she thinks there is a very good chance she'll lose the primary which would cost her the mysteque she currently has and with it her political power and access to money.
Two, She's making good money right now. People are following her around, giving her attention, paying her kids to appear on shows, etc. The position she is in is very profitable.
If she loses in the primary, well then she's just another republican primary loser, like say Mike Huckabee.
Posted by: Ben at August 15, 2011 12:43 PM (wuv1c)
I believe the answer to that is, "yes," but I don't live in Ames (which is the only way I'd ever bother to vote in the straw poll).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 12:43 PM (8y9MW)
There are weirdos who "run for president" at this thing. "Fred Karger" was one. He even had a sign. They want to keep the write-in threshold to something reasonable so that these guys don't get too much free publicity.
I would guess that most of "scattering" was Palin and indecipherable write-ins.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 15, 2011 12:43 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: © Sponge at August 15, 2011 12:44 PM (UK9cE)
Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 15, 2011 12:44 PM (kaOJx)
Posted by: All 768 Hobbits at August 15, 2011 12:44 PM (jeLTI)
Ace, I think that your theory is sound. At the very least, the fact that she was on the ground, and received less write-ins than a guy in SC is a telling statement. As for everyone whining about declaring or not, it's to her advantage to wait and see who and/or what pans out, just as Perry held off announcing.
I admit that I thought that she going to call a halt this weekend. SO I was wrong on that one.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 15, 2011 12:44 PM (326rv)
Posted by: Joffen at August 15, 2011 12:45 PM (EPcuy)
I didn't take the Governor comparison as a barb.
I did take the comment she made about letting her supporters get behind someone else as a hint.
Probably why I'm not king.
Posted by: jwb7605 at August 15, 2011 12:45 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Vic at August 15, 2011 12:45 PM (M9Ie6)
Posted by: ace at August 15, 2011 12:46 PM (nj1bB)
Or you went on one of the other candidates' dimes. I was under the impression Bachmann had given out 6000 tickets, though her vote total was somewhat less than that.
Posted by: Methos at August 15, 2011 12:46 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: ParisParamus at August 15, 2011 12:46 PM (wc/Br)
Couldn't happen. Thad is the man. You will all come to realize it soon enough. Jump on this bandwagon and we need gas money.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 15, 2011 12:47 PM (4nfy2)
Posted by: Joffen at August 15, 2011 12:47 PM (EPcuy)
Posted by: Dave at August 15, 2011 12:48 PM (Xm1aB)
Ace thanks for pointing that out. I don't know if it was a barb or not. Perry is the only one who can pull the hat trick in this race, the nomination, the general election, and (hopefully) stop the slide downward for the US.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 15, 2011 12:48 PM (kaOJx)
I didn't hear a specific number just heard that bachman gave out many more ballots than the votes she accrued.
And the guy who wrote in "Rick Perry's left nut."
Posted by: Methos at August 15, 2011 12:48 PM (sOXQX)
>>And also quit taking snide potshots at all of the people who are in the race
Indeed.
If she is a self declared selfless conservative, maybe she should STFU when it comes to the two most conservative candidates in the race, Perry and Bachmann.
I notice she's not making comments about Mitt Romney.
Posted by: Ben at August 15, 2011 12:48 PM (wuv1c)
She has power, wealth, and great influence.
And keeping the option open of running for the past 3 years was key to that. She played the hand she was dealt cleverly.
The attempt by the Left to destroy her financially with frivolous lawsuits backfired.
A well-connected establishment politico -- on the left or right -- could have retreated to some legal, financial, or lobbyist gig. There's a whole apparatus of left-wing foundations on the Left for that.
Palin didn't have that option. She played the best cards she had. That will probably come to an end once it's clear she's not running.
Posted by: Clubber Lang at August 15, 2011 12:49 PM (QcFbt)
Posted by: All 769 Hobbits at August 15, 2011 12:49 PM (jeLTI)
Posted by: ace at August 15, 2011 12:49 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at August 15, 2011 12:49 PM (ignDe)
I don't think she's being asked about Romney, for what it's worth. Remember, Romney is the one Barack Obama, who is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure, would prefer to face in the General.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 12:50 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Village Idiot at August 15, 2011 12:51 PM (utXSy)
Posted by: Joffen at August 15, 2011 12:51 PM (EPcuy)
Posted by: Lauren at August 15, 2011 12:52 PM (cVIY5)
Don't know, but they certainly have deficit attention disorder: that's why we're heading towards economic collapse.
Posted by: ParisParamus at August 15, 2011 12:52 PM (wc/Br)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 04:43 PM (8y9MW)
I live in Ames. I paid $30 (donation to the IAGOP) for the privilege of voting. I was offered the ticket if I went as a guest of Pawlenty and I chose not to (they made a cold phone call to me).
The balloting is secret. Therefore, I could have gone in on Pawlenty's dime and voted for Rick Perry or Sarah Palin or anybody else.
BTW, I said on Twitter on Sunday (ask DrewM) that the big "loser" here was Palin. I think people like her well enough but they've moved on considering her for President.
There were a few people with Perry shirts walking around but, for example, nobody with a Romney shirt. If he sent a contingent, I didn't see it. There were a few Palinistas walking around, but just a handful that were visible. Apparently she asked her supporters not to vote for her.
Well, my mom says "don't buy me a birthday present" too. In any case, as Ace says, if there were a groundswell of support, you couldn't stop people from voting for her.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 15, 2011 12:52 PM (T0NGe)
go the fuck away
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at August 15, 2011 04:49 PM (ignDe)
mpurinTexas is pro-jihadi!!111!!eleventy!!
Posted by: pissbreath at August 15, 2011 12:52 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: Joffen at August 15, 2011 12:53 PM (EPcuy)
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 15, 2011 12:53 PM (6rX0K)
Posted by: All 770 Hobbits at August 15, 2011 12:53 PM (jeLTI)
combine squishy on islam with his pro amnesty stance and we have another big govt tyrant.
...info on Perry from the comments section at americanthinker and at jihadwatch:
- Perry also mandated (executive order) all girls in Texas get the gardisill vaccine, which has had many side effects like, death and paralyzing from the waist down, because of his close ties to Merck.
It turns out that the manufacterer of the HPV vaccine was a Big contributor to all of Perry's political ambitions.
- Heard recently that Perry was also Al Gore's campaign manager, he's a big fan of rampant illegal immigration, he's a "globalist" and an assortment of other hair raising allegations. 1988 he was Al Gore's campaign manager in this state. (He was a registered democrat then.)
- And, he is also in favor of the TransTexas highway which Texans do not want for a variety of reasons.
- Go out on the internet and read about Perry visiting the Bilderber's conference in Turkey. I think that will explain Rick Perry to you. The Bilderberg's current Rep. backed candidate Mitt Romney is faltering, so they are trotting out their backup, Rick Perry.
- If a politician sells out on Islam (the religion of peace), he'll sell out on anything. Perry also sold out on the TSA battle.
Posted by: jmb at August 15, 2011 12:53 PM (dKV8D)
Well, that Lt Governor was Perry. So he served in both positions. Whichever one you think has the power, he had it for multiple terms.
This is true. The Lt Gov gets to decide who sits on committees and what bills will be debated in the legislature.
But, since Perry became Gov, he has consolidated power so that he effectively controls various commissions. Any Texas politician will tell you that Perry is not a weak governor.
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at August 15, 2011 12:53 PM (ignDe)
She has said mildly favorable things about him. Which only means she knows not to dis a member of the team.
Posted by: ParisParamus at August 15, 2011 12:53 PM (wc/Br)
And failing to note he has exactly the same ties to Chinese, Korean, Japanese, German, Italian, and (I believe) Scandinavian countries.
As Governor of Texas, Rick Perry did a very great deal to secure a large number of corporate presences in Texas. Much of that was from foreign companies.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 12:53 PM (8y9MW)
Alaska has a very powerful executive position. Texas, it’s not as powerful. That doesn’t mean he’s doing a better job or worse job than any other governor, including myself. It just means it’s different.”
I gave Palin a bit of a pass on the "It's nice that he is running even though he said he wouldn't" line. I thought it was borderline, and not worth making a big deal on.
This however, shows a pattern and is completely passive aggressive and calculating. I hope she reconsiders, and stops with this sort of stuff. It makes her look petty.
And to think I was hoping she would be on board the Perry Express. Someone feels threatened.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 15, 2011 12:54 PM (dWPyO)
Given she's indicated she'll run if she thinks there aren't any qualified conservatives that satisfy her requirements, she's made comments about Mitt Romney.
Absent from any statement she's made since Perry announced he was going to announce (10 days ago) is that set of conditions.
Posted by: jwb7605 at August 15, 2011 12:54 PM (Qxe/p)
I don't get why some Palin supporters insist she didn't take a couple of shots at Perry. She's a politician, not a saint. Rival politicians go after each other.
Palin happens to be good at occasionally sticking an elbow in someone elses ribs without being overt about it. That's a valuable politcal skill (one Tim Pawlenty could have used last week in the debate with Bachmann). There's no need to deny it or be defensive about it.
Posted by: DrewM. at August 15, 2011 12:54 PM (WnQJ3)
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2011 12:54 PM (1hMOs)
Why should Palin take a huge paycut? Right now she is on easy street and can stay there as long as she wants. And Palin has the chance to play Kingmaker (or Queenmaker) in the Republican party across the country. She can draw the people out, proven fact. And she could help every conservative R in this country raise funds and fill the seats in campaign events.
No matter what her decision, there is no doubt she will play a key role in the next election.
Posted by: Mister Money at August 15, 2011 12:55 PM (wN82N)
Well, that Lt Governor was Perry. So he served in both positions. Whichever one you think has the power, he had it for multiple terms.
Posted by: ace at August 15, 2011 04:46 PM (nj1bB)
Brilliant. That's why you're the Ace.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 15, 2011 12:55 PM (T0NGe)
Thats why I am going with McCotter, he has "otter" in his name, and those little fuzzy guys are cute.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 15, 2011 12:55 PM (4nfy2)
Posted by: President Obama at August 15, 2011 12:55 PM (l5dj7)
Posted by: ace at August 15, 2011 12:55 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: Joffen at August 15, 2011 04:53 PM (EPcuy)
We'd snipe at each other on a recipe thread.
Posted by: Tami at August 15, 2011 12:55 PM (X6akg)
There were a few Palinistas walking around, but just a handful that were visible. Apparently she asked her supporters not to vote for her.
Well, my mom says "don't buy me a birthday present" too. In any case, as Ace says, if there were a groundswell of support, you couldn't stop people from voting for her.
Posted by: AmishDude
As for the groundswell bit, that's a fair assertion. And Palin openly asking people to not vote for her was cagey.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 15, 2011 12:55 PM (6rX0K)
Posted by: ParisParamus at August 15, 2011 04:53 PM (wc/Br)
Um, didn't she badmouth Romneycare in Massachusetts the day Mittens announced his run in New Hampshire?
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 15, 2011 12:55 PM (FkKjr)
Now that Rick Perry has stepped forward to run, and Michelle Bachmann has proved to be a surprisingly effective voice for conservatism, there's no rationale for a Palin candidacy to pick up the flag of conservatism to fend off a centrist/technocrat Romney candidacy. I expect that Palin will very soon declare victory and announce she's not running. She will take credit (and actually probably deserve some) for creating a climate in which the Republican grassroots were demanding serious, heavyweight conservative candidates step forward.
Posted by: The Regular Guy at August 15, 2011 12:56 PM (qHCyt)
And thus spake the Idiots Out Wandering Aimlessly.
Posted by: jwb7605 at August 15, 2011 12:56 PM (Qxe/p)
Posted by: Serious Cat at August 15, 2011 12:57 PM (ZqSsg)
And Perry? Take Bachmann as your running mate.
Perry / Bachmann 2012...
Bachmann will make a great President - in 2020.
Posted by: Naqamel at August 15, 2011 12:57 PM (UMwMT)
Sadly, that's true. I once bitched out a friend of mine for calling a recipe of his "Something Jambalaya" when it didn't have the trinity in it.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 15, 2011 12:57 PM (bjRNS)
Posted by: ace at August 15, 2011 12:57 PM (nj1bB)
She did the same thing with him on the day he announced.
Palin™ is nothing more at this point than a serial attention-seeker. The problem is that, since she made her name as a self-described "maverick" fighting corruption within her own party, she's decided she has to perpetuate this image into the 2012 primary season, which involves sniping at the people who are actually in the game. This helps nobody but Sarah Palin™.
Coupled with her stated "I'll get in the race if there are no other acceptable candidates" criteria earlier this year, the sniping appears all the more self-serving.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 15, 2011 12:57 PM (IG16O)
Posted by: Joffen at August 15, 2011 12:57 PM (EPcuy)
See every previous Perry post on the blog. All of this has been answered.
And the palinistas/romneybots/paulbots are beginning to get on my nerves already this week. It took until Friday last week.
Are they stepping up their back-biting, or am I just less patient with them?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 12:57 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: joncelli at August 15, 2011 12:58 PM (RD7QR)
I think she is playing for a key role in any Republican administration - chief of staff, for instance. She'd be an asset and she'd be good at it, imo.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 15, 2011 12:58 PM (jx2j9)
Since Romney is clearly for repeal of Obamacare, and isn't proposing a national Romneycare, I'm not sure that qualifies as a "badmouth."
Posted by: ParisParamus at August 15, 2011 12:58 PM (wc/Br)
We've all read the 14 scary things about Perry that has been spread around and around and around.
Posted by: Lauren at August 15, 2011 12:58 PM (cVIY5)
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 15, 2011 12:58 PM (0N5pL)
Thats why I am going with McCotter, he has "otter" in his name, and those little fuzzy guys are cute.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 15, 2011 04:55 PM (4nfy2
yeh and the cool guy who got all the chicks in Animal House was named Otter too.
Posted by: sonnyspats at August 15, 2011 12:59 PM (I/MzF)
Posted by: All 771 Hobbits at August 15, 2011 12:59 PM (jeLTI)
Heh. I am a sick, sick man. She'd never take this job, but it would be perfect revenge:
Press Secretary.
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 15, 2011 12:59 PM (bjRNS)
Posted by: joncelli at August 15, 2011 12:59 PM (RD7QR)
SECRETARY OF ENTERIOR--I am so proud of my neologism!
Posted by: ParisParamus at August 15, 2011 12:59 PM (wc/Br)
I heard that Rick Perry was going to be the 21st high jacker on 9/11, but he backed out at the last minute because he has some obligations as governor of texas he couldn't get out of.
Can anyone verify this??
Posted by: Ben at August 15, 2011 12:59 PM (wuv1c)
Yes. But you're not allowed to mention it.
Or something.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 12:59 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: ace at August 15, 2011 12:59 PM (nj1bB)
The Washington Post(and ace)Needs to Do Their Research
on Palin, Perry, and the Ames Straw Polllink: http://tinyurl.com/3vxufjb
Posted by: justpassingby at August 15, 2011 01:00 PM (l49iw)
Posted by: joncelli at August 15, 2011 01:00 PM (RD7QR)
FALSE. That bill never reached his desk. Joe Straus killed that one.
Posted by: Naqamel at August 15, 2011 01:00 PM (UMwMT)
Posted by: t-bird at August 15, 2011 01:00 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: mark c at August 15, 2011 01:01 PM (SBIko)
Posted by: Joffen at August 15, 2011 01:01 PM (EPcuy)
Posted by: Hedgehog at August 15, 2011 01:01 PM (Rn2kl)
Sarah Palin just wants you to think she's not running, ace. That's how clever and unconventional and rogue that she is!
She know just how to get under the skin of women hating RINOs like you.
She's waiting ... hunched over .... crouching like a tiger ready to pounce on its prey!!! And when she does .... WHAM! She'll win 84.5% of the national vote!
Posted by: Warden at August 15, 2011 01:01 PM (HzhBE)
Posted by: joncelli at August 15, 2011 04:59 PM (RD7QR)
You know? That's pretty racist.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 15, 2011 01:02 PM (jx2j9)
Quibble. He did say he'd veto the first version, and then Straus killed the second in the Special Session- ostensibly because of time.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 01:02 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Paris Paramus at August 15, 2011 01:02 PM (wc/Br)
jmb,
You do realize that Perry admitted the vaccine thingy was a mistake don't you? Reagan was a Democrat, grew up, and changed to a Republican. Perry did the same thing as Reagan. Are you condemning Reagan?
Bilderbergers. Do you have a hat made out of tinfoil? They are watching you through your computer. Every time you are on it.
Can you link a credible source showing Perry is pro Jihadist as your Mittens supporting friend elspeth posted above.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 15, 2011 01:02 PM (kaOJx)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States
Yup. Because no candidate at any time in the history of the republic has ever done anything self-serving. All candidates do things for other people, other campaigns and other candidates. Always.
Since when in the unholy name of Fuckall has the assertion "the candiate is selfserving" been a coherent criticism? There's a differenc ebetween candidates and kamikazes (except Harold Stassen; he's special).
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 15, 2011 01:02 PM (6rX0K)
I denounce you for not mentioning mccotter's trotters. You sir are a baldist!
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 15, 2011 01:02 PM (4nfy2)
I think Perry's showing is interesting the straw poll. To steal a bit from the Godfather II (which Ace hates).
"The Rebels aren't paid to fight, but the police are. The Rebels could win."
Well, Bachmann, Pawlenty and Paul essentially bought their votes at the straw poll. They paid for the peoples tickets, food, transportation, etc.
Whereas the 700+ that wrote in Rick Perry weren't paid to be there. They were their voluntarily, paying their own costs.
Posted by: Ben at August 15, 2011 01:02 PM (wuv1c)
Mars. Perhaps Jupiter...
He may have been born on Earth, but his thinking is way out of this world - way off the map.
Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at August 15, 2011 01:02 PM (9hSKh)
As for the groundswell bit, that's a fair assertion. And Palin openly asking people to not vote for her was cagey.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 15, 2011 04:55 PM (6rX0K)
Yeah, but I hadn't heard it until after the fact and certainly the casual caucus-goer or the person who went on Bachmann's dime with a spouse but decided to vote for whoever he or she wanted wouldn't have heard it either.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 15, 2011 01:02 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: buzzion at August 15, 2011 01:03 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: ParisParamus at August 15, 2011 04:58 PM (wc/Br)
No, she said Romneycare in Massachusetts sucked. It happened. This isn't a debate about whether Romneycare is Obamacare, it's about what Palin said:
"However, even on a state level and even a local level, mandates coming from a governing body, it's tough for a lot of us independent Americans to accept, because we have great faith in the private sectors and our own families ... and our own businessmen and women making decisions for ourselves. Not any level of government telling us what to do."
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 15, 2011 01:03 PM (FkKjr)
Um...how do you know that?
Posted by: Paris Paramus at August 15, 2011 01:03 PM (wc/Br)
Posted by: Spiker at August 15, 2011 01:03 PM (E8oYF)
No, no, no. You don't understand. Have you seen Perry's birth certificate?
WELL HAVE YOU?!?
Posted by: pissbreath at August 15, 2011 01:03 PM (sOXQX)
Yeah, well. Mostly I just don't notice them. I see "McCotter" in a comment and my eyes glaze over.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 01:04 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: joncelli at August 15, 2011 01:04 PM (RD7QR)
You're talking about candidates.
I'm talking about Sarah Palin™.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 15, 2011 01:04 PM (IG16O)
They're friendly, certainly. That's not exactly the same thing. I expect to see plenty of elbows and knees flying around during the Primaries, even between people who otherwise get along quite well.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 01:05 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Serious Cat at August 15, 2011 05:03 PM (ZqSsg)
Not since he killed her pet grizzly... with a plastic fork.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 15, 2011 01:05 PM (jx2j9)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 01:06 PM (8y9MW)
As for the groundswell bit, that's a fair assertion. And Palin openly asking people to not vote for her was cagey.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 15, 2011 04:55 PM (6rX0K)
Yeah, but I hadn't heard it until after the fact and certainly the casual caucus-goer or the person who went on Bachmann's dime with a spouse but decided to vote for whoever he or she wanted wouldn't have heard it either.
Posted by: AmishDude
No offense, but do you think that you're learning this was ahead of, behind or with the curve? That would be relevent to figuring this out.
as to the vaccine thing, it's been covered repeatedly. It wasn't a very good idea, wasn't started well, but it died ad he acknowledged that it was a mistake. That puts him years ahead of Romney.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 15, 2011 01:06 PM (326rv)
I had thought they were political allies at the very least.
Sarah™ certainly isn't acting like it lately, though.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 15, 2011 01:06 PM (IG16O)
Posted by: Paris Paramus at August 15, 2011 01:06 PM (wc/Br)
Posted by: mockmook at August 15, 2011 01:06 PM (ksiM3)
Posted by: ace at August 15, 2011 01:06 PM (nj1bB)
I might run, too. Maybe. If y'all make me feel like running.
I'll decide after this nap. Or maybe tomorrow's nap.
Posted by: Fred Thompson at August 15, 2011 01:06 PM (km1mp)
Yeah, it was so bad on one thread that poor chemjeff just decided to not get a grill rather than offend either the gas or the charcoal camps!
Posted by: Y-not at August 15, 2011 01:07 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: Dave at August 15, 2011 01:07 PM (Xm1aB)
I can tell you here: MissMarple sent it to me on twitter (@missmarple2)
"@tobyharnden She requested her supporters not submit write-ins."
That's all I know, hence the term "apparently".
Posted by: AmishDude at August 15, 2011 01:08 PM (T0NGe)
If they admitted that he wasn't some crypto-liberal, they'd have to re-examine his record. They don't want to think that maybe, just maybe, his mistakes were just that: mistakes, and not some grand plan to drag Texas into Socialism.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 01:09 PM (8y9MW)
You're talking about candidates.
I'm talking about Sarah Palin™.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States
We are talking about candidates, and potential candidates. That was the point of the thread. You're again bitching about someone you've decided to hate.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 15, 2011 01:09 PM (326rv)
Great Point! Can anyone prove this Perry fellow was actually born in Texas?
Also, did you know that Perry was once in the same room as someone who once met a Free Mason? It's true! I read it over at Infowars!
Posted by: I <3 Conspiracies at August 15, 2011 01:09 PM (cVIY5)
Posted by: CrustyB at August 15, 2011 01:09 PM (GvSpB)
I think Perry's showing is interesting the straw poll. To steal a bit from the Godfather II (which Ace hates).......
Posted by: Ben at August 15, 2011 05:02 PM (wuv1c)
How can anyone hate Godfather II? It's considered the best sequel ever made. Wow...
Posted by: joejm65 at August 15, 2011 01:09 PM (UZuc4)
Public edumacation?
Posted by: Methos at August 15, 2011 01:09 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: ace at August 15, 2011 05:06 PM (nj1bB)
That's because hippies became democrats. Southerners hate hippies. Almost as much as they like grits.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 15, 2011 01:10 PM (jx2j9)
How can anyone hate Godfather II? It's considered the best sequel ever made. Wow...
Posted by: joejm65 at August 15, 2011 05:09 PM (UZuc4)
I thought that title went to Phantom Menace...
Posted by: Hedgehog at August 15, 2011 01:10 PM (Rn2kl)
Posted by: Paris Paramus at August 15, 2011 05:06 PM (wc/Br)
That's not what we're discussing. You said Palin never badmouthed Mittens Aurelius. She did, and in a big way.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at August 15, 2011 01:10 PM (FkKjr)
I had thought they were political allies at the very least.
Yup. I mean she certainly thought he was good enough to go out of her way to endorse last year.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 15, 2011 01:10 PM (dWPyO)
Lighten up, Francis.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 15, 2011 01:10 PM (IG16O)
Since when in the unholy name of
Fuckall has the assertion "the candiate is selfserving" been a coherent
criticism?
...............
She's not a candidate. What Palin is doing is self-serving because she's merely using the speculation about whether she's running to remain in the spotlight.
She's probably going to keep us guessing until the new season of Saturday Night Live starts just to guarantee a Tina Fay bit about her. THAT is what self-serving means.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 15, 2011 01:11 PM (f9c2L)
Posted by: cherry π at August 15, 2011 01:11 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Dave at August 15, 2011 01:11 PM (Xm1aB)
Secretary of Energy with the task of ending said Department. It's tailor made for her.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 15, 2011 04:32 PM (kaOJx)
Secretary of Interior with Energy and EPA wrapped into it
Posted by: at August 15, 2011 01:11 PM (T3vCe)
We'd snipe at each other on a recipe thread.
Posted by: Tami at August 15, 2011 04:55 PM (X6akg)
Bullshit..I've never seen sniping on a recipe thread.....jerk
...and your instructions for Southwestern corn bread muffins sucked ass
Posted by: beedubya at August 15, 2011 01:11 PM (AnTyA)
Posted by: joncelli at August 15, 2011 01:12 PM (RD7QR)
___________
Just clip-ons, though.
Posted by: Anachronda at August 15, 2011 01:12 PM (FzhYM)
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 15, 2011 01:12 PM (IG16O)
Posted by: President Obama at August 15, 2011 01:12 PM (l5dj7)
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at August 15, 2011 01:12 PM (d0Tfm)
Too bad. I would love to have seen the Red Eye President.
Posted by: Lauren at August 15, 2011 01:12 PM (cVIY5)
Posted by: Joffen at August 15, 2011 01:12 PM (EPcuy)
Also, did you know that Perry was once in the same room as someone who once met a Free Mason? It's true! I read it over at Infowars!
I have incotrovertible proof at this link that Perry's ancestors, 20 generations back weren't even American!!
Posted by: pissbreath at August 15, 2011 01:13 PM (sOXQX)
Posted by: cherry π at August 15, 2011 01:13 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Theresa D., TPT at August 15, 2011 01:13 PM (Zgfnd)
Posted by: Wile E. Commandante General of the Coyote Defense League at August 15, 2011 01:13 PM (AnTyA)
I think the whole premise of her being in Iowa is wrong. I don't think she is even thinking about entering the race this time around.
No one has ever thought that perhaps she just wants to keep the conservative message alive and hold the real candidates feet to the conservative fire. She has the name and political recognition to do just that. If nothing else, she keeps the enthusiasm for conservatism alive. And that's a must, especially since the 2012 election is still a long way off.
She'll come in real handy when the down-to-the-wire campaign fund raising is needed. Contrary to what many here think, she still has the power to make or break a candidate.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 15, 2011 01:13 PM (tqaWC)
She did all the bus tour stuff just to keep her name out there and maintain her profile, which is critical to her earning potential.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 15, 2011 01:14 PM (hIWe1)
What, you mean that's not who we have?
a mud wrestling fight between Palin and Perry
Eeewww. No. Palin and Bachman.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 01:14 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 15, 2011 01:14 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: Joffen at August 15, 2011 01:14 PM (EPcuy)
Posted by: Dave at August 15, 2011 01:14 PM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: joncelli at August 15, 2011 01:15 PM (RD7QR)
This guy is comfortable working a crowd, and gives a hell of a speech
Yeah...this guy clearly loves the game, the fight, working a crowd. He enjoys the process, not just the power.
It's why a few people's comparison of him and Fred Thompson was so off the mark. Thompson disliked holding babies, shaking hands and all the rest. Perry loves it and it shows. He's a high energy guy.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 15, 2011 01:15 PM (dWPyO)
Since when in the unholy name of Fuckall has the assertion "the candiate is selfserving" been a coherent criticism?
...............
She's not a candidate. What Palin is doing is self-serving because she's merely using the speculation about whether she's running to remain in the spotlight.
She's probably going to keep us guessing until the new season of Saturday Night Live starts just to guarantee a Tina Fay bit about her. THAT is what self-serving means.
Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry
Utter bullshit. If Perry had decideed on Saturday not to run, would you assert that his actions prior to then were 'self-serving'? Or would you say something like "he was testing the waters" and "keeping his options open"?
This hostility is based upon one thing; she's someone you don't care for at some level. We got it. We all got it. A stealth bomber you ain't.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 15, 2011 01:16 PM (6rX0K)
Posted by: The Pentaverate at August 15, 2011 01:16 PM (GULKT)
Posted by: Dave at August 15, 2011 05:11 PM (Xm1aB)
World famous designer Jehadi still makes 'em.
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at August 15, 2011 01:16 PM (jx2j9)
Posted by: Joffen at August 15, 2011 01:16 PM (EPcuy)
Posted by: Trish at August 15, 2011 01:16 PM (yqhkv)
No offense, but do you think that you're learning this was ahead of, behind or with the curve? That would be relevent to figuring this out.
as to the vaccine thing, it's been covered repeatedly. It wasn't a very good idea, wasn't started well, but it died ad he acknowledged that it was a mistake. That puts him years ahead of Romney.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 15, 2011 05:06 PM (326rv)
I live in Ames. I got plenty of annoying phone calls about the straw poll. I live-tweeted it with lots of cool pics (check out #AmishDudeStraw) and a couple of vids of Thad.
I'd consider myself more well-informed than the average Iowa caucus-goer. Now if you were a hard-core Palin fan, you'd know more than me about her campaign, but if you lived close enough to Ames to check it out (Des Moines is only 45-minutes away and a pretty good chunk of people) or were brought by another campaign, you would not have heard about any exhortation not to vote for Palin.
And, look, if you REALLY want Palin for president and she (or rather, Peter Singleton as the link cited above says) tells you not to vote for her, you do it anyway.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 15, 2011 01:17 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: ace at August 15, 2011 01:17 PM (nj1bB)
That asshole was me. I knew he reacted to it, even though I was pretty far away.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 15, 2011 01:18 PM (T0NGe)
I like Palin - if she decides to run I'll support her but ...
She needs to NOT run.
She and Perry will obliterate each other while RomneyCare takes the nomination. That would be an abomination - and I really hope she realizes that.
Perry should offer her any spot in his administration she wants to keep her out. And hopefully she'll accept.
She CAN be President one day ... she's extremely young still. Perry can help facilitate that outcome for her.
Posted by: HondaV65 at August 15, 2011 01:18 PM (8X9tr)
Posted by: KLH at August 15, 2011 01:18 PM (4+tm0)
Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 15, 2011 01:18 PM (DEcmU)
Posted by: The Bilderburgers at August 15, 2011 01:19 PM (RD7QR)
"He is a friend of Agas Khan the multimillionaire head of the Ismailis, a Shi'ite sect of Islam that today proclaims its nonviolence but in ages past was the sect that gave rise to the Assassins."
The whole "proclaims nonviolence" part seems like a good thing. Now, I happen to think that the Koran and Haddiths themselves proclaim violence, but I also think that we should support those who are trying to reform the religion.
"It gets worse. Last March, Perry gave a speech in Dallas in the company of Grover Norquist of Americans for Tax Reform."
So he was in the same room as someone? Not much of a scandal.
Posted by: Lauren at August 15, 2011 01:19 PM (cVIY5)
Damn right, mister. I was right on the edge of jumping off the cliff onto a platform of Mexican reparations and grinding the seats of corporate jets up into free meatloaf for Working Families, until that little darlin' from Wasilla came 'round and got me back on the straight an' narrow.
Thanks, Sarah™!
Posted by: Rick Perry at August 15, 2011 01:19 PM (iqkiV)
Contrari-wise: this shows she understands the rules of timing and engagement better than many of the other candidates.
Palin has watched the GOP field narrow to three candidates with a shot at the nomination: Romney, Bachmann and now Perry.
Pawlenty highlighted the angle of attack that will eventually take Bachmann out of the race when contrasted with someone with executive experience.
If Perry catches fire, Palin will be able to endorse him and perhaps work that endorsement for a Cabinet position (I don't see her wanting the VP slot).
But if Perry, for whatever reason, flames out in the first couple of weeks, Palin can enter the race as the last, best hope to stop Romney. That's compatible with her off-the-cuff remark this weekend that early September is about as long as anyone can wait before declaring.
As for the straw poll, the Top Ten vote-getters were all declared candidates (Perry in just the nick of time). It's not worth speculating much on the number of write-in votes Palin didn't get: Pawlenty got over 2,000 and had to drop out, whereas Palin may have gotten none but isn't in a position to be "forced to drop out."
Posted by: stuiec at August 15, 2011 01:20 PM (ZyH51)
Posted by: ace at August 15, 2011 01:20 PM (nj1bB)
Posted by: cherry ð at August 15, 2011 05:13 PM (OhYCU)
I'd prefer Palin and Bachmann.
And jello, not mud.
Posted by: Grade A Moron at August 15, 2011 01:20 PM (0N5pL)
Jesus catfucking Christ.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 15, 2011 01:20 PM (hIWe1)
If Palin didn't want write ins, it's an odd way to do it -- why not publicly declare that on Fox News?
Posted by: ace
Actually, such announcements on Fox, where she is employed, may be a problem. I agree with Amishdude though; it sounds like if anyone local was getting the word, he would have gotten it.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 15, 2011 01:20 PM (6rX0K)
She is an actual uncontested Conservative.
Her balls are bigger than any of the other candidates'.
She likes a scrap.
She absolutely detests the slimy MFM.
If she'd only ask, I'd say yes.
Posted by: 30 million Hobbits at August 15, 2011 01:20 PM (jeLTI)
Posted by: bigmike at August 15, 2011 01:20 PM (DKAUD)
Are you guys like super-young? Do you not know that 25 year ago there were no Republicans in the south, because of the Civil War and all?
And that only in the past quarter century have Southern conservative Democrats migrated to the Republican Party (while northeastern liberal Republicans migrated to the Democrats)?
Do you know this? Or are you just hoping no one else does?
Posted by: ace at August 15, 2011 05:06 PM (nj1bB)
Based on looking at electoral maps of past Presidential elections, I'd say the migration started for good around 1968. Ann Coulter, for what it's worth, has the migration starting circa 1964. Both years are a little more than 25 years ago, but your premise is correct - the South was Dim city for about 100 years after the Civil War.
Posted by: joejm65 at August 15, 2011 01:20 PM (UZuc4)
Posted by: thirteen28 at August 15, 2011 01:21 PM (AbmsP)
Posted by: Tami at August 15, 2011 01:21 PM (X6akg)
Posted by: The Prezdent at August 15, 2011 01:21 PM (ljuHV)
Posted by: Dave at August 15, 2011 01:22 PM (Xm1aB)
Negative. A three way race for the deep red base means that Romney takes it. Just like McCain did in '08. I'd rather she endorse either one of them (*ahem*Perry*ahem*).
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 01:22 PM (8y9MW)
If Palin didn't want write ins, it's an odd way to do it -- why not publicly declare that on Fox News?
Or her Facebook page, which certainly all of her hardcore fans read.
Besides, politicians who have to be drafted, have to be for a reason. Even if they say, naw don't vote for me. I think the theory holds either way.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 15, 2011 01:22 PM (dWPyO)
Posted by: CoolCzech at August 15, 2011 01:22 PM (kUaEF)
Posted by: stuiec at August 15, 2011 01:22 PM (ZyH51)
If Palin didn't want write ins, it's an odd way to do it -- why not publicly declare that on Fox News?
Posted by: ace at August 15, 2011 05:17 PM (nj1bB)
Well if you want to be conspiracy minded you could claim that they tried it this way so if she got a large number of write-ins they could go "look how many votes she got and we were even telling people she doesn't want them voting for her. She sure is popular!"
Posted by: buzzion at August 15, 2011 01:23 PM (GULKT)
Meh, I am going with Perry. His state grew, created jobs and he is the only candidate of any of them that has worn the uniform.
The left is scared to death of him and that works for me. Plus I love the way he takes it too Obama.
Posted by: robtr at August 15, 2011 01:23 PM (MtwBb)
Posted by: cherry π at August 15, 2011 01:23 PM (OhYCU)
“Don’t buy into this whole notion that somehow government doesn’t do us any good. Government protects us. Government is what built the interstate highway system. Government is what put a man on the moon.”
Posted by: Miss80sBaby at August 15, 2011 01:24 PM (o2lIv)
Posted by: Dan Rather at August 15, 2011 01:24 PM (Xm1aB)
Posted by: Pitt at August 15, 2011 01:25 PM (f7ylG)
It was even later than that in Texas. We take "stubborn" to a whole 'nother level.
As late as 1990 my mom was saying that if you wanted to influence Texas politics, you voted in the Democrat primary- because that's where the real decisions were made.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 01:25 PM (8y9MW)
Not because of her views, record, or anything rational like that, but because her personality grates on too many independents, particularly women. My theory is that she reminds them of the mean popular girls they hated in high school. It's emotional, and has nothing to do with policy.
If Palin is the candidate, Obama is the winner.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2011 01:25 PM (XyoGP)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 15, 2011 01:25 PM (lbo6/)
The answer is the Ames Straw Poll means nothing except to the media.
Plus McCotter was robbed. Probably by a 7-11 mob of thuggish thievery.
Posted by: Guy Fawkes at August 15, 2011 01:26 PM (4nfy2)
Now join me as a bow and pray to our loving Goddess, The Government.
Posted by: Barry at August 15, 2011 01:26 PM (cVIY5)
Posted by: DriveBy at August 15, 2011 01:26 PM (C9Vc8)
As a matter of fact, MB is to Perry what Huckabee was to Romney in 2008 and Romney is to Perry what McCain was to Romney. Question is, once it becomes obvious to everyone that MB can't win, will she bow out graciously (unlike Huckabee) or will she stay in just to steal votes from Perry?
My guess is she will bow out, angling for a significant position in ther Perry Administration. If Perry is smart, he will see her as no real threat and be nice to her. If he goes on the attack and pisses her off, she could stay in just out of spite (like Huckabee) and split the far right vote with Perry throwing the nomination to Romney - and once again we will get the nominee we really didn't want.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at August 15, 2011 01:26 PM (uVlA4)
I see Dick is beating the strawmen particularly hard today.
Posted by: Waterhouse at August 15, 2011 01:27 PM (r0xbL)
Over at The Hill there is a clip of Slick Willy Clinton saying he thinks Gov. Perry "is a good looking rascal." I agree with that statement. Then he goes on to yap about big government and how President Perry will have to use Air Force One and Marine One and fly all over the world as President. Somehow Clinton did not relate to the fact that The One does this daily on a scale unknown in history's excess, but whatever.
President Perry will not only fly in Air Force One he will be the pilot. Barry? He can barely jog up the stairs with his limp wrists these days his panties are in such a wad. He is so downhearted he thinks Harry Reid is cheerful.
Posted by: ChristyBlinky at August 15, 2011 01:27 PM (FnRYN)
"look how many votes she got and we were even telling people she doesn't want them voting for her. She sure is popular!"
Yup.
"Don't vote for me, and....while your at it, pay no attention to me in Iowa on my bus tour either. Pretend I'm not here."
Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 15, 2011 01:27 PM (dWPyO)
OK, so explain the Pigford settlement to me. Not the mess it became, the original one.
Apparently, there were black farmers who were discriminated against by the USDA.
But that's not possible because government "protects us".
So which is it?
Oh, and is this quote enough to call the man socialist?
Posted by: AmishDude at August 15, 2011 01:27 PM (T0NGe)
No you have it completely wrong. Rick Perry is a lizard from the planet ogg. Click here for proof.
Posted by: pissbreath at August 15, 2011 01:27 PM (sOXQX)
And he's been doing it since 2009. This "will I or won't I" coyness shit is tiresome and he's coming across as enjoying playing the fat tease.
Posted by: cherry π at August 15, 2011 01:27 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: Palinista epub at August 15, 2011 01:28 PM (ZDUD4)
That's the wrong map to look at, where Texas is concerned. Before the Reagan era, people voted for Democrats locally; Reagan's presidency was when the ideological divide became more obvious, and folks switched parties en masse.
I tend to think of Perry as one of the last holdouts. If (the conservative version of) Al Gore had won the primary in 1988, the ideological definition of the parties might not have held.
But he didn't, and that's when the last wave of defections occurred. (Assuming my memory serves.)
Posted by: Meiczyslaw at August 15, 2011 01:28 PM (bjRNS)
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at August 15, 2011 01:28 PM (uVlA4)
Posted by: stace, Tealiban RAAAAcist at August 15, 2011 01:28 PM (lYlx9)
Posted by: t-bird at August 15, 2011 01:28 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Dave at August 15, 2011 01:28 PM (Xm1aB)
You betcha! That'll fund a lot of family vacations bus tours!
Posted by: Sarah, Sar-ah Palin, Queen of the Wild Frontier at August 15, 2011 01:28 PM (iqkiV)
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2011 01:29 PM (1hMOs)
Posted by: LBJ at August 15, 2011 01:29 PM (FcR7P)
Posted by: Joffen at August 15, 2011 01:29 PM (EPcuy)
And he's been doing it since 2009. This "will I or won't I" coyness shit is tiresome and he's coming across as enjoying playing the fat tease.
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Christie has been adamant he isn't running. Every time he is asked. Nothing coy about it.
Posted by: Delta Smelt at August 15, 2011 01:29 PM (dWPyO)
And he's been doing it since 2009. This "will I or won't I" coyness shit is tiresome and he's coming across as enjoying playing the fat tease.
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Christie has been adamant he isn't running. Every time he is asked. Nothing coy about it.
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Christie's too damn coy with his denials.
Posted by: 302 million Hobbits at August 15, 2011 01:31 PM (jeLTI)
I don't think it should be, but I think it is. If you get the difference. I'm one of the people who understands (or, at least, I think I understand) what was really going on there. The problem is that, here we are 3 years later, and most people don't remember. If you have to spend all your time explaining why you stepped down, and defending yourself from the "quitter" epithet, you're not really going to gain much traction.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 01:31 PM (8y9MW)
/ I condemn myself for having such impure thoughts
Posted by: cherry π at August 15, 2011 01:32 PM (OhYCU)
Posted by: museisluse at August 15, 2011 01:32 PM (4Lj43)
Posted by: t-bird at August 15, 2011 01:32 PM (FcR7P)
Thanks, Sarah™!
Posted by: Rick Perry at August 15, 2011 05:19 PM (iqkiV)
I get your sock-snark, but I'll stand by what I've said. All one has to do is remember 2008. She won't be cowed this time. Plus, you obviously need to read the rest of the comment I made.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 15, 2011 01:32 PM (tqaWC)
Why? She's a rock star. Why should she take a low-six figure job in a cabinet?
Maybe she'll take a job on a blue-ribbon commission or be a goodwill ambassador or something like that, but she doesn't benefit from a subservient position.
Senator in 2014? Maybe. Otherwise, she just runs SarahPAC and makes some money and speeches.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 15, 2011 01:32 PM (T0NGe)
She's going to announce during her East Coast bus tour!
She's going to announce when the statue of limitations runs out on July 26!
She's going to announce at the premiere of "Undefeated" in Iowa!
She's going to announce at the Iowa State Fair!
She's just trying to maintain the Sarah Palintm brand. If not for her party-crashing tease act, there'd be little reason to pay attention to her at all when the focus is on the actual candidates.
Sure, if there were some circumstance in which she could somehow slide in and win effortlessly she might, but there's little chance of such a scenario occurring. Even then, I'm not sure that she'd be so self-unaware to think she could actually win the general (she wouldn't).
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 15, 2011 01:32 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 15, 2011 05:25 PM (lbo6/)
You are the Edgar Allan Poe of trash talk. Kudos.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 15, 2011 01:33 PM (0N5pL)
I don't get it.
She benefits from serving just the same way we do. Our country is in trouble and needs honest leaders. Everything can't be about Palin first.
I would prefer Palin be a US Senator, but until then, why not work in Energy or even simply cleaning up corruption?
Posted by: Dustin at August 15, 2011 01:34 PM (519+h)
She could start a controversy or say something that will outrage lefty's and other empty skulls everytime the media go after Perry or whatever. Sounds good to me.
Maybe thats what she's doing. I dunno. It costs a shitload of money to keep a bus tour going. They must have some Machiavellian strategy going on, or they would never get investors for her little roadtrip
Posted by: Billy Barty at August 15, 2011 01:34 PM (eXQfZ)
Posted by: cherry π at August 15, 2011 01:34 PM (OhYCU)
Christie has been adamant he isn't running. Every time he is asked. Nothing coy about it.
Posted by: Delta Smelt
And meeting with donors out of state isn't coy either, but yet he has. Is he doing his part to make donors happy and build the party brand? Could be. Is he seeing if he can get paid by the pound? Could be. None of us here will know until he decides to tell us. Kinda like Perry. Who I hope wins.
Posted by: Blue Hen at August 15, 2011 01:34 PM (6rX0K)
It protects favored people from ever having to pull their own weight in life.
Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at August 15, 2011 01:35 PM (QKKT0)
I would like to see her run against Mark Begich; she pretty much owes that seat to us anyway.
On the other hand, I'm not at all certain she could still be elected in Alaska.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 15, 2011 01:36 PM (iqkiV)
Meh, I am going with Perry. His state grew, created jobs and he is the only candidate of any of them that has worn the uniform.
The left is scared to death of him and that works for me. Plus I love the way he takes it too Obama.
Posted by: robtr at August 15, 2011 05:23 PM (MtwBb
That was my take in 1979. I researched Reagans performance in Cali as Gov.and went with him. That was the first time I ever voted and the first of long line of Dems to vote Republican. This is deja vu all over again. Barring some serious flaws yet to be confirmed with Perry I would vote for him.
Posted by: sonnyspats at August 15, 2011 01:37 PM (I/MzF)
Why? She's a rock star. Why should she take a low-six figure job in a cabinet?
Maybe she'll take a job on a blue-ribbon commission or be a goodwill ambassador or something like that, but she doesn't benefit from a subservient position.
Senator in 2014? Maybe. Otherwise, she just runs SarahPAC and makes some money and speeches.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 15, 2011 05:32 PM (T0NGe)
I love SP, but I don't see a need for her to run for POTUS at this time. What we need from her is to fire up her supporters and get them to the polls next 11/2012. Despite what the 'she's in it for the exposure' knuckleheads think, she can influence an awful lot of voters. Every vote will be huge next November, and I hope she'll do her part to influence the turnout.
Posted by: joejm65 at August 15, 2011 01:37 PM (UZuc4)
Posted by: Dustin at August 15, 2011 05:34 PM (519+h)
We don't need her to do that. As a cabinet member, she adds no value. She'd be an appointee of President Perry or Romney. Your theory only holds if she is singularly able to clean up corruption...in a way nobody else could.
The problem is that you need somebody liberals respect because liberals are the home of corruption. She might have the power to help kill favored Republican programs, but how many of those are there? Defense is about it.
Posted by: AmishDude at August 15, 2011 01:39 PM (T0NGe)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at August 15, 2011 01:40 PM (AZGON)
Posted by: Palinista epub at August 15, 2011 05:28 PM (ZDUD4)
Yup. By the time the MFM does their business with Perry, many of the concern trolls and squishes that comment here will start lamenting that he can't possibly be elected because he's "damaged goods". You concern trolls are fucking disgusting.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 15, 2011 01:41 PM (tqaWC)
As long as the candidate is decent, I think we can count on her for this.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2011 01:41 PM (XyoGP)
Posted by: ndfan at August 15, 2011 01:42 PM (rUVa9)
Posted by: Spiker at August 15, 2011 01:42 PM (E8oYF)
Who are you and what have you done with the real HondaV65? :p
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 15, 2011 01:43 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 05:25 PM (8y9MW)
Yep, I was a DINO until about 1998, when I finally voted in the GOP primary because a friend of mine was primarying our GOP state rep. We thought the GOPS were too stuffy.
I voted GOP for president all my adult life, starting with Ford, but I still considered myself a Dem and often voted for Dems at the state and local level. In the current millennium I've only voted straight ticket GOP. Turns out the local Repubs I thought were so boring have governed in a much more adult manner than the old days of Dem control. TX government used to be much more colorful, and by colorful I mean corrupt.
Posted by: stace, Tealiban RAAAAcist at August 15, 2011 01:43 PM (lYlx9)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 15, 2011 05:32 PM (SY2Kh)
Ha. She's been the only Republican since Obama got elected who's articulated the conservative position on every crappy thing that the JEF has put on us. She was the one who made all hell break loose over Obamacare. She's the only one who took him on - hard - over issues like domestic energy production and the stimulus. I'll take her 'tease act' over the cowardly roll-over-and-play-dead Republicans who were too terrified to take on Dear Leader. It's primary season now, so everyone has something to say, everyone is brave. Where were they 2 years ago when the sh*t was really hitting the fan? They were hiding. At least give her some props for not being gutless, do-nothing sh*ts like the rest of our party.
Posted by: joejm65 at August 15, 2011 01:45 PM (UZuc4)
I'm not so sure Sarah Palin could win that race. I mean, it would be WINNABLE, but no lay-up. Have you seen her approval ratings in AK?
If she got the GOP nomination, she'd probably win the general, I suppose. But I suspect that if there were another credible Republican nominee he would beat her in a primary.
Posted by: Jeff B. at August 15, 2011 01:45 PM (hIWe1)
That is irrelevant if she doesn't win the election.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2011 01:45 PM (XyoGP)
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2011 01:46 PM (1hMOs)
Posted by: ace at August 15, 2011 01:46 PM (nj1bB)
___________
The whole point of plausible deniability is it's plausibly denaible.
Posted by: Anachronda at August 15, 2011 01:47 PM (xGZ+b)
Incorrect. Jesus Christ, learn some history.
Posted by: ace at August 15, 2011 05:46 PM (nj1bB)
Chill out. I was referring to Presidential elections only. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. No need to be an ass about it....
Posted by: joejm65 at August 15, 2011 01:49 PM (UZuc4)
I seem to remember quite a few Republican pundits, politicians and columnists speaking out about Obamacare, the "stimulus", etc who weren't named Sarah Palin.
Sure, she had her "death panels" moment, but for the most part she is not the center of the Republican universe, despite what her followers would have us believe.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 15, 2011 01:50 PM (SY2Kh)
Posted by: ndfan at August 15, 2011 05:42 PM (rUVa9)
Listen, you piece Helen Thomas's belly-button lint. Every single talking you point you drop has a) been thoroughly debunked by anyone with Google and 30 seconds and b) is more twisted than even the most egregious of slams against your Saint Palin.
So, while you grovel and whine and complain about how "mean" people are being to your chosen goddess, remember that it was exactly this "cult of personality" that first tipped people off that Barack Obama was worse than a mere empty suit.
If you want me to vote for Sarah Palin, you'd better concentrate, hard, on finding a real accomplishment in her record- not "moral victories," and not decisions that immediately -or near immediately- got reversed. Something real and lasting. Until and unless you can do that, I don't want to see another one of your purile, vapid talking-points bashing any conservative- Bachman or Perry or, God help us all, Romney.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 01:51 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 15, 2011 05:50 PM (SY2Kh)
Sounds like just an opinion to me.
Posted by: Soona - Tearorrist at August 15, 2011 01:52 PM (tqaWC)
us : "No Shit"
Dana Perino : "Why?"
Posted by: Dana Perino, Genius at August 15, 2011 01:53 PM (eXQfZ)
Posted by: polynikes at August 15, 2011 01:53 PM (1hMOs)
Posted by: Spiker at August 15, 2011 01:53 PM (E8oYF)
Neither is finding the definition and correct usage of sinecure
Posted by: Wile E,. Commandante General of the Coyote Defense League at August 15, 2011 01:54 PM (AnTyA)
That is irrelevant if she doesn't win the election.
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2011 05:45 PM (XyoGP)
Sandy, she'll win the election, because she is the right person and enough of the electorate will come to realize that.
Posted by: ndfan at August 15, 2011 01:56 PM (rUVa9)
Yes, the South voted Republican in presidential candidates, but all the lesser officeholders, all the statewide officials, etc., remained Democrat (but southern conservative).
the process of people actually declaring Republican is of more recent vintage.
It was only in the nineties, for example, that Republican registration actually eclipsed Dem registration in the south. Before that they were "Democrats" aka "Dixiecrats."
Posted by: ace at August 15, 2011 05:46 PM (nj1bB)
It took until the 2010 elections before North Carolina, Lousiana, and a few other states had a Republican-dominated branch of the legislature. Democrats still outnumber Republicans in registration handily in West Virginia, Kentucky, and even North Carolina.
Posted by: CAC at August 15, 2011 01:57 PM (QyKBt)
Not a declaration, then, but a softer expression of willingness to run, if she were needed."
Really, Ace? Is that all she's doing? Funny, I thought she quit being governor to make make more money. I thought she went to Iowa for a straw poll she wasn't running in to keep her reality / book potential alive.
Really, Ace?
Is that just what the rubes that are loyal to your party are supposed to believe or is that really what you believe?
Posted by: Jimmy_joe at August 15, 2011 01:58 PM (/LqDJ)
I suspect you're over-estimating the average voter. (But since I think she's not gonna run, we'll probably never find out, anyhow.)
Posted by: sandy burger at August 15, 2011 01:58 PM (XyoGP)
Posted by: Breaker19 at August 15, 2011 02:01 PM (WCm02)
Posted by: A Liberal AoS Reader, Really! at August 15, 2011 02:03 PM (rN28M)
Posted by: Bosk at August 15, 2011 02:05 PM (n2K+4)
I was listening to an interview on This American Life, with Ira Glass - yeah PBS does put out some good product so fuck you. he was interviewing this sportswriter guy who had interviewed Jackie Robinson on tape.
They played some excerpts where jackie was talking about the time he met JFK sometime back in 1961. JFK actually told him he didn't meet a Negro until he was running for the Presidency..
heh! Jackie told him him voted for Nixon and would do so again.
JFK got the black vote, especially in the South, by simply propagandizing about what he would do for "the negro", even though he had never met one or knew anything about them.
Nixon, love him or hate him, was actually a card-carrying member of the NAACP and was the major force behind the passage of the 1957 Civil Rights Act.
The Dems realized what a powerful force the new TV medium would be just like they did with the internet more recently.
BTW...Robinson sounded just like the "banana in the tail pipe" black guy in the 48 Hours movie
Posted by: beedubya at August 15, 2011 02:08 PM (AnTyA)
"and enough of the electorate will come to realize that."
Hmmm...What's that old saying? Wish in one hand and crap in the other or something like that.
Posted by: Bosk at August 15, 2011 02:11 PM (n2K+4)
It took until the 2010 elections before North Carolina, Lousiana, and a few other states had a Republican-dominated branch of the legislature. Democrats still outnumber Republicans in registration handily in West Virginia, Kentucky, and even North Carolina.
Posted by: CAC at August 15, 2011 05:57 PM (QyKBt)
Obama/Reid/Pelosi finally pried loose some of the last of the southern conservative/moderat Dems, like Chet Edwards. The national Dems pegged the voters' Ick-meters, and that was all she wrote.
Posted by: stace, Tealiban RAAAAcist at August 15, 2011 02:12 PM (lYlx9)
Posted by: blogdorce one at August 15, 2011 02:12 PM (c4uA2)
I also agree with #23 -- the idea of Palin as the Secretary of Energy after the Perry/Rubio ticket defeats Obama is awesome.
Posted by: Michael at August 15, 2011 02:14 PM (fQwDb)
Perry is counting on Palin not running, as its the crux of his whole strategy, which is supported by his rather desperate sounding comment today that he hopes she "makes the right decision" about running.
But here's the real fear of the Perry folks, as laid out by a co-poster of ours at C4P as we discussed Perry's usefulness to Palin.
Quote:
Since August '08 Sarah has had to bear the full weight of GOP, MSM and Dem attacks...Perry will be drawing some of that fire away from her now...They must try to damage Perry as well as Palin...
She pretended to be willing to stay out and endorse Perry with her comments during the first bus tour when she unprompted offered up his name as someone who might get in then when he does she steps on his announcement and hits him with breaking his promise...a classic bait and switch.
Perry was suckered into the race on the false assumption that Sarah was staying out. She laid the bait and then reeled him in. And the Perry camp had no idea they were being played. Now they probably realize they have been lured into a war where they will be fighting on two fronts (Romney and Palin) when they were only planning a war on one front.
She plays dead then attacks when her prey has been drawn in. Behind the sunny exterior lies one very sharp operator.
End Quote.
Well, that's politics, folks.
Now let the sputtering indignation begin.
Posted by: njinfl at August 15, 2011 02:18 PM (M2X9r)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 15, 2011 02:27 PM (lGFXF)
That is darn near the stupidest thing I've read all day. Holy shit you guys are now neck and neck with the paulbots in political fantasy pretezel making.
Posted by: Bosk at August 15, 2011 02:28 PM (n2K+4)
Posted by: jjshaka at August 15, 2011 02:31 PM (mu5sQ)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 15, 2011 02:34 PM (lGFXF)
Hey! I know a lot of otherwise very sane people who do that on a regular basis. You apologize to the gamers right now. They have a much better grip on reality than the C4P folks.
I should have realized they were C4P bots from the beginning, I guess...
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 02:36 PM (8y9MW)
Alright Allen, I'm back after throwing up at your Helen Thomas reference regarding my supposed present place on this earth. Though, I'm still shuddering at the thought of it.
I don't think anything in my post could be described as me engaging in any of the following that you asserted: " ...grovel and whine and complain about how "mean" people are being to your chosen goddess ". I didn't grovel, whine or complain about anything anyone else said, nor did I even use the term "mean" that you placed quotation marks around.
Next, exactly which of my talking points, as you call them, have been debunked and where? Additionally, what accomplishments of Palin are you referring to that were allegedly reversed, either immediately or nearly so?
I'll await your response, but please leave H. Thomas out of the next one. Shudder.
Posted by: ndfan at August 15, 2011 02:36 PM (rUVa9)
Whatever. Nothing changes the fact that Perry spent his Saturday in a stiff suit behind a hotel podium droning on about how the country is broke and Obama is an idiot, as if no one else has noticed. Meanwhile, Palin stole the spotlight, thunder, crowds, and media at the Iowa State Fair. Every picture has her mobbed by crowds and media firing off 15 second sound bites that were repeated all over the weekend and Monday news cycles. Did you miss the part where she put Jake Tapper in line behind a heifer? The best optics Perry could get were standing behind a hotel podium paid for by a group no one ever heard of.
I'm sorry, but not a good first day for Cowboy Rick.
P.S. Name the last 5 winners of the Ames Straw Poll.
Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN at August 15, 2011 02:39 PM (hZqYp)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 15, 2011 02:40 PM (lGFXF)
One doesn't need to "wish". That's what campaigns are about, to bring enough of the electorate around to your point of view. I have every confidence that she will be able to do that.
Posted by: ndfan at August 15, 2011 02:41 PM (rUVa9)
Posted by: blogforce one at August 15, 2011 02:41 PM (sZxX2)
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I don't think she's electable, and I think she's smart enough to know that.
Posted by: BackwardsBoy at August 15, 2011 04:36 PM (d0Tfm) </I>
I think she's smart enough to know that.
However, I think she's too goddamn arrogant NOT to run. It's not about the others, it's not about conservatism, it's about Sarah Palin.
Posted by: Vyceroy at August 15, 2011 02:43 PM (aKODK)
Bring it on Sarah, run...Or, are you a swashbuckler with a sword of tin? Two years as governor of AK...Quit to make millions with the help of ghost writers and TV producers...Why hasn't anyone hung the pathological narcissist moniker on her yet??? Let me be first...
Posted by: Nozzle at August 15, 2011 02:46 PM (wrGst)
You're right. I wasn't fair to the belly-button lint.
I wasn't mentioning any specific whining in your post. Refreshingly, there wasn't any. It was more of an observation about the normal response whenever anything the least bit negative is said of Saint Sarah.
As for the talking points, how about this:
He's supposedly great on job creation, but a good share of the new jobs created in Texas have been in the low wage category.
Moreover, Texas' debt has tripled under his watch as Gov.
Additionally, by definition, a person who was Al Gore's presidential campaign head for Texas is not a conservative.
Those talking points. And they've been debunked several times here at the HQ. Look for any previous Perry post and you'll find the thorough debunking. Since you obviously don't have the brains of a retarded sea-urchin, however, I'll hit the highlights:
The first requires you to believe, as liberals do, that anything other than "low wage" jobs could be the majority of new jobs. Low wage jobs are the ones that serve everybody else. So there will just be more burger flippers than there ever will be engineers. That's not hard to fathom. Further, you'd also have to be saying that no job is better than a low paying job. Again, a fairly liberal position.
The second is true but inaccurate. Texas has a balanced budget amendment, and the ways in which we can take on debt are very limited. When factored for population growth and other forms of expansion- also when considering the low subsidy nature of our state (one of the pitfalls of being so opposed to Obama), our debt is fairly limited and on the low end of average, per capita, for the rest of the nation. Unlike a certain state which receives massive subsidies from the rest of the states I could mention.
Third, "Regan Democrat" look it up. This one I've talked about several times today already, you can do 20 seconds of homework to find out why this is nothing more than a vapid, cheap-shot talking point.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 02:46 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: blogforce one at August 15, 2011 02:50 PM (sZxX2)
You know, that's it. The final straw. Whatever I feel about her privately, I will oppose Sarah Palin on this blog until you C4P sub-morons leave. Yes, we did happen to know about Marco Rubio and Nikki Haley before Sarah Palin endorsed them, and they were actually doing quite well in the polls before she did. Especially Rubio.
It's one thing to claim she's a "king maker" and that she's doing good for conservatism by typing on a Facebook page, it's something else to take her support for people who won and try to transfer their winning onto her.
Your Saint Sarah left office in disgrace. Even if she had good reason (something I've said before, but no more- not until y'all are gone), she bungled the announcement, she bungled the aftermath, and the she let others do her fighting for her. If she has such great political instincts, how did she not figure that championing a law that made it frivolously easy to sue a government official might possibly, maybe, just a little bit make it hard for government to function, huh? And that maybe, possibly, just sort of make it easy for people with political axes to grind to force politicians they don't like out of office.
Yeah, great freaking instincts, there. Tell me, who got elected Senator in Alaska in '12? If you can't deliver a victory for someone in your own state, where you're supposedly so popular, you don't actually have much clout- electorally- elsewhere.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 02:58 PM (8y9MW)
Theory affirmation: HA has a lead post about Mitt and Perry already tearing into each other.
And you Ricksters need to internalize this: the vast majority of Palinistas have ZERO interest in Palin as kingmaker.
We want her to run because she has unique qualities we appreciate. Our votes are not transferable to another candidate on her say so.
Posted by: njinfl at August 15, 2011 02:59 PM (M2X9r)
And the cool thing is that it will matter here in Utah, in the primary, anyway, because the state is overwhelmingly for Mitt. I doubt Romney will drop out super-early, so there is a chance to make an impact on how many votes Perry pulls in the primary. Now, we're not the earliest state, but it looks like there's a caucus in March, so I guess things will still be interesting then.
I'm still trying to figure out our primary system here!
Posted by: Y-not at August 15, 2011 02:59 PM (5H6zj)
That's why you come off as Paultards.
Palin herself apparently believes she does not possess qualities that make her uniquely suited to the presidency. That's why she made it clear long ago that her decision to run would be based on whether or not there was a good conservative candidate in the mix. Now, that candidate may not be Perry, but it is self-defeating (and really immature) to act like only Palin fits the bill.
Posted by: Y-not at August 15, 2011 03:02 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: njinfl at August 15, 2011 06:59 PM (M2X9r)
Now that is one of the most ignorant things I've ever seen posted here. And, trust me, after you've been at the HQ for awhile, you'll know how bad that is.
If Sarah Palin is not on the ballot as a declared candidate, and has endorsed someone else, you wouldn't vote for them, because it's not your Saint Sarah? That's almost as bad as the idiots who say they'll stay home or vote for Barky instead of voting for the R candidate if their preferred candidate doesn't win.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 03:04 PM (8y9MW)
Seriously, if you're unemployed, minimum wage pays 100% more than you were making otherwise.
Since when is an honest days work a bad thing?
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at August 15, 2011 03:11 PM (J4Pnx)
The Paulians are not Libertarians and the Palinites are not conservatives.
Posted by: Y-not at August 15, 2011 03:12 PM (5H6zj)
No idea.
I'd also like to know if those numbers (or blanket characterizations) that are getting tossed around are normalized to cost of living, particularly housing costs.
Posted by: Y-not at August 15, 2011 03:13 PM (5H6zj)
I do consider Paultards to be on a whole other plane of annoyance than all but the most fervent of Palin supporters. The ones that I find to be just as annoying as Palin supporters though are the guys that absolutely hate her like Vyceroy Hollowpoint and Jeff B.
Posted by: buzzion at August 15, 2011 03:16 PM (GULKT)
Allen,
If you want to read some of the most ignorant posts ever here, just review your own material.
Were Sarah not to run, most of her supporters would pick another candidate and some would no doubt stay home because the GOP Establishment, to which Mitt and your boy belong, has proven itself every bit as worthless as the Dems.
Even if one of these two proved preferable to Obama, like Bush was, they'd just set the table for the return of one of his counterparts, like Bush did for Obama himself.
We need to go a whole new way. Sarah supporters will make up their own minds, not respond as a bloc to some (theoretical, on your part) endorsement.
An endorsement at the Congressional level is a different deal. At this level, we want her.
And as far as AK Senate goes, no one could save Miller from himself once he went numbnut and distanced himself from Sarah. That brillant thinking on his part cost him what would have been a close victory.
Posted by: njinfl at August 15, 2011 03:18 PM (M2X9r)
Sure. But the most fervent ones are the most vocal.
Posted by: Y-not hasn't read the comments at August 15, 2011 03:20 PM (5H6zj)
Posted by: blogdorce one at August 15, 2011 03:22 PM (3cMYV)
Posted by: Tyrone Revere at August 15, 2011 03:27 PM (Jgoaa)
What I do not understand is the argument that she will not run because if she does run and loses, she will for some reason be finished as a public figure. (Jonathan Tobin at Commentary beats that drum--he has an intense dislike for Palin.) It seems to me that if she does not run, she will be seriously diminished as a public figure, more so than if she ran and lost the nomination.
Posted by: nohype at August 15, 2011 03:27 PM (9yfLe)
If you want to read some of the most ignorant posts ever here, just review your own material.
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at August 15, 2011 03:30 PM (J4Pnx)
Yes, she handled the meat grinder so well she had to step down from public office. Mmmhmmm.
Posted by: njinfl at August 15, 2011 07:18 PM (M2X9r)
Do you even read your own comments? Have you bothered to think (like actual thoughts, not just stimulus/response knee-jerk reflexivism) about what people are actually saying about Sarah Palin?
Sarah Palin is not some saint who will save you from the evil Democrats. She's a politician (much like any other) who ran for Vice President and failed. Then she went back home (honorably, I'll grant) and tried to serve out her term as Governor- only to be out-flanked and driven from office by policies she supported. This does not speak highly of her political instincts.
Neither does supporting someone for Senate who then turned on her. Was there no inkling that he might try to distance from her? None, at all? It was clear out of the blue? I sincerely doubt it.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at August 15, 2011 03:33 PM (8y9MW)
Posted by: blogforce one at August 15, 2011 03:35 PM (lICB9)
Posted by: blogforce one at August 15, 2011 03:38 PM (lICB9)
-Sarah Palin, in an email to her aides, April 28, 2009
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 15, 2011 03:40 PM (iqkiV)
The GOP needs Sarah Palin to run. There are a lot of Palinistas and if she does not run, their enthusiasm will not transfer to another candidate--it will evaporate and be lost. If another candidate can beat her, some of that enthusiasm will transfer. I do not think any of the other candidates can beat her, but if one of them can, he or she will have proven themselves and get my respect and admiration. Being able to beat Sarah Palin would give the eventual nominee credibility that he or she simply will not have if Palin is not in the race.
But again, when she gets in the race, I do not see any of the others being able to beat her.
Posted by: nohype at August 15, 2011 03:40 PM (9yfLe)
Your math is wrong. You can't divide by zero to achieve a percentage.
Posted by: Michael at August 15, 2011 03:44 PM (fQwDb)
Posted by: rickl at August 15, 2011 03:51 PM (1CfwK)
Through verbal gymnastics and looped logic you turned Palin's simple statement into something it is not.
Posted by: Marcus at August 15, 2011 03:58 PM (bL3f8)
Does anyone know what is the last day to file for the republican primary in Iowa?
English is not my first languge so I am thinking I do not know the right words to use in a search engine.
Posted by: GMB at August 15, 2011 03:58 PM (wY55N)
I also think she would be excellent as Secretary of the Interior.
Posted by: Lawrence Person at August 15, 2011 03:59 PM (eRpHv)
She pretended to be willing to stay out and endorse Perry with her comments during the first bus tour when she unprompted offered up his name as someone who might get in then when he does she steps on his announcement and hits him with breaking his promise...a classic bait and switch.
Perry was suckered into the race on the false assumption that Sarah was staying out. She laid the bait and then reeled him in. And the Perry camp had no idea they were being played. Now they probably realize they have been lured into a war where they will be fighting on two fronts (Romney and Palin) when they were only planning a war on one front.
She plays dead then attacks when her prey has been drawn in. Behind the sunny exterior lies one very sharp operator."
So whoever wrote this thinks Palin is extremely dishonest? Because if she thinks Perry would make a good president, why wouldn't she endorse him and stay out? How is she sharp for flip flopping like that?
I like Palin more than whoever wrote that. I know she understands why Perry would run, and that he certainly isn't breaking an oath to do so. He's given Texas plenty of time, been reelected, and avoided drama. I am not his biggest fan... but he's the right nominee if he can do well in the debates.
Palin is a sharp lady. I have more faith in her than whichever Palin fan wrote that. This election is not about justice for Palin for all the BS from the past three years.
Posted by: Dustin at August 15, 2011 04:01 PM (519+h)
Because shut up, that's why.
Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at August 15, 2011 04:07 PM (J4Pnx)
Theory affirmation: Prelim PPP poll from NC, sorry no link yet.
Palin, Mitt, Perry: 17%
Cain: 11%
Bachmann: 9%
Caveat: forwarding comment info, havent seen it yet.
Allen:
Miller was the only non-Establishment candidate on the table. He wasn't Sarah's wind up toy. His mistakes speak to his judgement, not hers and he himself has basically said as much.
Now endorsing SuperRick! for gov and saving his butt- hey, you might have me there.
Posted by: njinfl at August 15, 2011 04:09 PM (M2X9r)
I haven't been on AOS in the last couple of days and this thread was at the top when I came on. As a result, I'm not up tp speed on what's gone on here regarding Perry.
Actually, I misspoke regarding the majority of new jobs being low wage. I meant to make the point that Texas leads the nation in minimum-wage jobs. However, I agree with you that I'd much rather see people with jobs, even minimum-wage jobs, than on welfare. Much of my Texas job info came from a CNN Money article on 8/12. Excerpts here:
"But that doesn't mean that all is well with employment in the Lone
Star State. Texas leads the nation in minimum-wage jobs, and many
positions don't offer health benefits. Also, steep budget cuts are
expected to result in the loss of more than 100,000 jobs." ......
"They have a long way to go before they get back to a positive place," said Doug Hall, director of the Economic Analysis and Research Network, an institute project."
For what it's worth, this article gives a breakdown on State debt and liability issues under Palin, Perry, Huntsman, Romney and Pawlenty, using State and Federal sources. ( http://tinyurl.com/3w6nzha )
Apparently, Perry made good use of the Recovery Act that he railed against, using the stimulus to cover 97% of the State's deficit in 2009. ( http://tinyurl.com/3qtw7dv)
I concede that AK gets a lot of Federal subsidies, however one needs to take into account the large amount of land and resources in AK under Federal control. Palin at least cut way back in earmarks and didn't want to accept large portions of the stimulus because of the Federal strings attached. (Though the AK legislature thought differently) She'd definitely prefer less control by the Feds of AK's resources (ANWR) in return for less Fed money.
I'm not buying the "Reagan Democrat" excuse for Perry's actions in running Al Gore's 1988 Texas Presidential campaign, while Reagan was still in office. So, I don't consider it a cheap-shot talking point.
In any event, much will be debated as the campaign season unfolds. Well, time to head back to the sea floor.
Posted by: ndfan at August 15, 2011 04:10 PM (rUVa9)
Posted by: ndfan at August 15, 2011 04:12 PM (rUVa9)
30 minutes ago Citizen,
I've been having fun with some of the Perry-wankers at AceofSpades /ace.mu.nu/ on the Palin thread.
I quoted from your response to one of my posts about Perry's usefulness to Palin. It was great but I did not reveal your handle.
Needless to say, their sputtering indignation lilts musically.
You might want to check it out.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 15, 2011 04:16 PM (iqkiV)
Posted by: ndfan at August 15, 2011 04:18 PM (rUVa9)
Posted by: chuck at August 15, 2011 04:21 PM (MvCLo)
Oh sorry, Undead, has some protcol been breached?
Have you invoked double secret probation?
Since you're trolling C4P, NTTAWWT, what do you think of the breakdown of the PPP poll?
Or do you deal in data?
Posted by: njinfl at August 15, 2011 04:25 PM (M2X9r)
I say;
Palin 5/2,
Perry 7/2,
Romney/5/1,
Bachmann, 12/1
Field,30/1
Other, 50/1
Posted by: blogforce one at August 15, 2011 04:34 PM (sZxX2)
I just think it's funny that you're stupid enough to use the same handle everywhere you post, True Warrior.
But as I said before, I like that you're here. As you can see upthread, you PalinDrones are such complete fags that you're turning even formerly-sympathetic people off of The Quitta from Wasilla, and I for one couldn't be happier about that. It's about damn time conservatives started waking up to what Palin™ really is.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 15, 2011 04:37 PM (iqkiV)
Posted by: davidt at August 15, 2011 04:42 PM (8Pgd/)
Yesterday 03:17 PM Flaming with some SuperRicksters! over at AceofSpades /ace.mu.nu/ (I think its on the Links page) on the T-paw Drops Out thread.
Its their usual jr high school f-bomb fest of course, but its just good clean fun to hear the Ricksters squeal at the facts like vampires in the sun.
The thread may be winding down, or not, but if anyone cares to throw a few at some very deserving targets, head over.
These Perry guys talk all that cowboy strut, but geez they're weak.
Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at August 15, 2011 04:49 PM (iqkiV)
Posted by: DriveBy at August 15, 2011 04:53 PM (C9Vc8)
<i>Any bets on who will prevail if she announces her candidacy for POTUS ?
Posted by: blogforce one at August 15, 2011 08:34 PM (sZxX2) </i>
Easy. Barack Obama.
Posted by: Vyceroy at August 15, 2011 04:58 PM (aKODK)
<I>The GOP needs Sarah Palin to run. </I>
Wow, you know, it just doesn't.
<I>There are a lot of Palinistas and if she does not run, their enthusiasm will not transfer to another candidate--it will evaporate and be lost. </I>
Actually, what Ace points out in his post, i.e. the Ames straw poll, is that the rise of Bachmann and, now, Perry, points to the fact that for a great many grassroots conservatives / Tea Party types, their enthusiasm already HAS transferred to another candidate than Palin. Maybe some of them have finally realized that there are more viable options in the race than her, maybe they tired of her dithering over potentially getting in. Regardless, I think it's becoming more clear that while there will be a core of the Palinistas for whom NO ONE else will be acceptable, there are a lot of people out there who are Palin fans who are perfectly happy to choose one of the other conservatives in the race (namely Bachmann or Perry).
Posted by: Vyceroy at August 15, 2011 05:02 PM (aKODK)
Posted by: rickl at August 15, 2011 05:04 PM (1CfwK)
Ace, it is a theory and have some facets of factuality in it, but I can not see it.
I have been trying to keep track of Governor Palin since her convention speech. I have read her books. I have seen her speak on the stump in 2008.
I have read every facebook posting but not any of the 24,000 emails.
She holds regular americans and her supporters in her highest regards and very dearly. She does not "toy" with americans or her supporters, maybe the lame stream or other politicans but not americans. If she were NOT running she would have said so back in May or June, maybe even before her first bus tour. The very fact that plans were made for a multi phased bus tour of america and american history is boggling. Did she do it to sell books? No. She let out today that she will be highlighting an event with Beck in October, if she is not in then will it be too late then? No. She is running a stealth campaign, and no amount of people stamping feet is going to get her to change what she has planned or wants to do. She is a mom after all, and that sort of stuff does not get to her.
I sort of think that she has been dropping more hints that point towards a run, just to try to allay people's tensions. But she has to be careful or Ailes will have to fire her.
Why is it stealth? Money is one reason, staying above the fray at this time is another thing. She does not want to waste all her attacks on other repubs but will when push comes to shove. She is still trying to shape the public opinion of her, not to people like me that know and admire, but true public opinion, such as Don Lemmon, etc.
No, I have not talked to her, and I have no wish to be called a liar, to call her a liar, or to call you a liar. Like I said your theory has some facets of factuality and as such it can be discussed, but I think that it is not in the end going to prove to be correct.
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Posted by: blogforce one at August 15, 2011 05:32 PM (sZxX2)
I like Palin. Most Perry fans like Palin. Palin likes Perry and obviously she is a Palin fan.
Palin has a hardcore, but they are not like most Palin fans. I recognize she's one of the good guys, but think Perry will be a better president. I do not trivialize the task he's got. There's a lot to do to prove oneself ready. Palin is great. We need more of her. I don't think she's our best candidate.
Posted by: Dustin at August 15, 2011 05:42 PM (519+h)
Do you have any idea how fucking retarded you sound?
Posted by: tom at August 15, 2011 06:06 PM (Q6iS+)
Posted by: Errol at August 15, 2011 06:28 PM (d2AYO)
http://tinyurl.com/3frv9cc
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at August 15, 2011 06:29 PM (2AfqM)
Been reading Mark Steyn's After America, eh?
(I am too, by the way. It is "must" reading.)
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at August 15, 2011 06:34 PM (2AfqM)
Posted by: doktor avalanche at August 15, 2011 06:37 PM (yK5or)
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at August 15, 2011 06:43 PM (2AfqM)
You remembered! I usually feel so left out when Jeff B. gets all the credit.
I'd have almost no criticism of Palin (aside from mistakes like the O'Donnell affair and the like) if not for her cultish and delusional hardcore supporters, and her ongoing cocktease, attention-whoring diva act with regards to a potential run.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 15, 2011 06:52 PM (SY2Kh)
Problem is not that he was in the same room as Grover Norquist, and I'll even be generous and allow that him being friends with the Aga Khan is not a problem.
The problem is that he pushed pro-Muslim curricula components in taxpayer-funded schools in Texas:
One [formal agreement], in 2009, provides for cooperation between Texas and the Aga Khan's organizations in the "fields of education, health sciences, natural disaster preparedness and recovery, culture and the environment." Perry was quoted at the official Ismaili website as saying at the signing ceremony that "traditional Western education speaks little of the influence of Muslim scientists, scholars, throughout history, and for that matter the cultural treasures that stand today in testament to their wisdom."...
Perry also brokered a 2008 partnership between the University of Texas and Aga Khan University in Pakistan to expand cooperation on programs including the Muslim Histories and Culture Project, which trains high school teachers on Muslim history and culture curricula. "I have supported this program from the very beginning, because we must bridge the gap of understanding between East and West if we ever hope to experience a future of peace and prosperity," Perry said at the signing ceremony.
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at August 15, 2011 07:18 PM (2AfqM)
I'd have almost no criticism of Palin (aside from mistakes like the O'Donnell affair and the like) if not for her cultish and delusional hardcore supporters, and her ongoing cocktease, attention-whoring diva act with regards to a potential run.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 15, 2011 10:52 PM (SY2Kh)"
That's not really so unfair. I think the O'Donnell support was a major miscalculation (If she wants to lead a RINO hunt she owes us the search for a better nominee who has a prayer of winning, IMO).
I like Palin. She's one of the good guys whether one thinks she's ready for the presidency or not. She's not a quitter. She's not corrupt. I just find it difficult to discuss anything related to the election when people are sure, no matter what, that whoever isn't Palin is not good enough.
The vast majority of Palin fans actually don't think that way, and you don't notice them because of it.
Posted by: Dustin at August 15, 2011 07:22 PM (519+h)
She's running.
Posted by: mrp at August 15, 2011 07:31 PM (HjPtV)
re@325:
Nixon, love him or hate him, was actually a card-carrying member of the NAACP and was the major force behind the passage of the 1957 Civil Rights Act.
Nixon's way underrated. I didn't realize until I read Whittaker Chambers' awesome book Witness what a driving force Nixon was in the Alger Hiss case. Nixon made a huge difference in Chambers' life; he was the primary person who made sure Chambers got heard. During the process, he and Chambers got to be very close friends. Chambers thought the world of Nixon, and in his book I saw a whole different side of Nixon I hadn't known of before: principled, generous, loyal, committed.
Nixon really, really hated Soviet Communism. Gotta love him for that.
Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at August 15, 2011 07:42 PM (2AfqM)
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Posted by: Rich Fader at August 16, 2011 09:03 AM (SF/wy)
Pretty well thought out column.
I was at the straw poll with a sign that read Sarah the whole wide world is waiting for you to Put on your Running shoes.
Quite a few people nodded and took pictures of my sign, but apparently they didn't write her name in.
But, you must also take into consideration that these people had to pay thirty bucks for a ticket to vote. Perhaps the people who are planning to vote for Sarah are too smart to pay to vote.
Posted by: John C. Anderson at August 16, 2011 12:14 PM (nHTSn)
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Both Perry and Bachmann appear to have a decent shot in the primaries, so there isn't a need for her to enter.
Posted by: 18-1 at August 15, 2011 12:30 PM (7BU4a)