1 BTW, Morons, I'm on my way to see the mighty Motorhead tonight! ACE OF SPADES!!!!111

2 Once Rummy latches on like that the only way to ge him off is to stick your thumb up his ass.

3 Motorhead kicks ass

4

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at February 22, 2011 06:18 PM (HpT9p)

LEMMY!

5 Andrea Mitchell talks to everyone like they're the high school head cheerleader  she wishes she were but she's too damned ugly to be.  "Mr. Rumsfeld, isn't it true that all the pretty things must DIE?!?"

6 Just got the Lemmy DVD. Fuckin' awesome! Rummy. Lemmy. Asskickers. Born that way.

7 O/T

Two words: Megyn Kelly

(The Blaze) video

During an interview Tuesday, Fox NewsÂ’ Megyn Kelly repeatedly tried to nail down an answer on whether Milwaukee Teachers Union president Mike Langyel condoned teachers using fake medical excuses to get out of work to attend protests in Madison.  But when the union prez refused to address her question directly and suggested her question was “the wrong one to be asking,” Kelly laid down the law, reminding Langyel of his role as her showÂ’s guest.

“For better or for worse, IÂ’m the anchor and youÂ’re the guest,” she said.  “So IÂ’ll come up with the questions and you can answer them or not.”

8 I totally agree. Never accept the premise when it is coming from one of these liberal activists pretending to be a journalist.

9 I think just about everyone here could answer any of her questions just as well as Rumsfeld did.  God she is stupid.

10 You dumbasses haven't watched a lick of the vids and here you are posting already.

11 Andrea Mitchell was hawt in the Flapper Era.

12 Andrea Mitchell is as stupid as she is ugly.  Can you imagine seeing Greenspan and Mitchell in the sack?  No you can't.  You'll go blind instantly.

13 10 You dumbasses haven't watched a lick of the vids and here you are posting already.

Posted by: arhooley at February 22, 2011 06:27 PM (D45hw)

Just following in the footsteps of Ace.  He doesn't read his own blog before writing a post, so why should we watch the videos

Oh and I was listening when I made my post and still listening so Nyah

14 10 You dumbasses haven't watched a lick of the vids and here you are posting already.

Posted by: arhooley at February 22, 2011 06:27 PM (D45hw)

 

Well, we are called morons.  And don't mention lick on the same page as a video of Andrea Mitchell.  That's castration-worthy.

15

You dumbasses haven't watched a lick of the vids and here you are posting already.

Who needs facts when you already have an opinion?

16 Arhooley, you need to finish your post with "Get off my lawn!!".

17
For a man approaching 8o, Donald Rumsfeld has a remarkable memory stick, and retains the ability to scrunt-slap whiny and condescending liberal matrons.  He makes us white hairs proud. 

18 ...and I saw it on FOX 2 hrs ago.

MOTORHEAD!!!!!!!

19 He understands he's in an adversarial situation and acts accordingly.

Apparently the Mitchell's disposition is known as opposed to a known unknown or an unknown unknown.

Actually, I suspect it's less about him understanding anything and more about the sheer enjoyment of putting reporters in their place.  After all those press conferences where the best he could do is break even, it must be nice to not have to be defending anyone else's policies.

20 I can't access the videos but I did see some bits on YouTube. Andrea Mitchell tries to corner him on the question of Dr. Rice's decision-making and the "Rumsfeld/Cheney alliance". He says there was no such alliance and Woodward's State of Denial was based on interviews with people several levels down inside certain depts.

21

^{Posted by: arhooley at February 22, 2011 06:27 PM (D45hw)}

 

He got a Head Start!

22
**Breaking**
Andrea Mitchell bears an uncanny resemblance to the back of my ballbag.

23 Arhooley, you need to finish your post with "Get off my lawn!!".
Posted by: Navin R Johnson at February 22, 2011 06:31 PM

-----------
I don't waste my breath ordering people off my lawn. I just open fire.

24 As good if not better than Christie's smack-downs... Great stuff.

25 12 Andrea Mitchell is as stupid as she is ugly.  Can you imagine seeing Greenspan and Mitchell in the sack?  No you can't.  You'll go blind instantly.

Posted by: Ms Choksondik at February 22, 2011 06:28 PM (F+Y9Z)

In general I don't go out of my way to create a mental picture of over-65s bumping uglies.  Why would that thought even pop into your mind?

26 >>You dumbasses haven't watched a lick of the vids and here you are posting already. Well no. I didn't watch the videos here. I watched it live. If you haven't checked out Rumsfeld's website it's pretty interesting. He has hundreds of documents that back up what he wrote in the book. This will not interest liberals. Facts.

27 Am I too far off on the notion that the Left/DNC has abandoned the "Blame Bush" talking point because it was reminding everyone how much better life was from 2003-2007?

28 My crush on Rummy remains intact.

A man's-man and a gal's idea of a man.

29 For a man approaching 8o, Donald Rumsfeld has a remarkable memory stick, and retains the ability to scrunt-slap whiny and condescending liberal matrons.  He makes us white hairs proud. 

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at February 22, 2011 06:31 PM (ZHsNw)

Donald who?  aw the hell with it! I don't care!

30 O/T

Who the hell is this 'Republican Kingpen'?  He made a video beggin' Repubs not to 'deport grandmothers' of Hispanics that we need voting with us.

But maybe, just maybe, you'll listen to Dr. Steve Hotze. Yes, that Hotze, Republican kingmaker, icon of the Far Right whose pristine conservative credentials and generous campaign donations cannot be disputed.

While some Texas Republicans are pushing Arizona-style anti-illegal immigrant legislation, and our governor is calling it an "emergency," Hotze and some of his like-minded GOPers are promoting a video featuring the good doctor that seeks to reset the tone in one of the country's most polarizing debates.

• See the YouTube video here.

Its point is clear: If Hispanics are the key to Texas GOP survival, and they are, then any hateful anti-immigrant rhetoric that pushes them away can be an instrument of the party's demise.

Shared principles

In the video making its way around Republican blogs and e-mail lists, Hotze explains that many Hispanics share "our conservative principles," and values such as a willingness "to work harder for a better life." Demographic figures illustrate Hispanic population growth, and the video spotlights what might be to some a surprising figure: 39 percent of Hispanics voted for Republican Gov. Rick Perry's re-election.

The tone of the debate matters, the video's narrator says: "Republicans should not and cannot allow heated rhetoric to sound angry and anti-Latino. That is when Latinos stop listening and turn their backs."

One of several Hispanic Republican voters featured is Ivan Parra, a 40-year-old Ecuadoran immigrant who owns an auto leasing business in Houston. He told me he voted straight-ticket Republican for the first time in the latest election, but in the video he warns that anti-immigrant policies and hate speech can easily sour him and others on the Republican Party.

"Every family values-oriented conservative should understand this," Parra says in the video. "At the end of the day, you're going to put aside political opinions, political alliances, and vote for the party that you think (is) not going to deport your grandmother."

31
Today's a two-fer. Megyn Kelly consumes the Milwaukee Teachers Union President, and Donald Rumsfeld crawls inside Andrea Mitchell's head and makes her brain fart liberal dogma.

32 I'll choke a bitch.

33 As good if not better than Christie's smack-downs...


Better, actually.  Ther's no theater here, at least not intentionally.

34
Great show!

ANDREA MITCHELL
D I S T O R T S

35 Well no. I didn't watch the videos here. I watched it live.

On Mess-NBC? I hope it was for an Anthropology project.

36 I used to watch Rumsfeld's pressers. A few weeks into Afghanistan the MBM was asking such wild questions that SNL did a spoof of them. He was fantastic at answering their questions then and he still is now.

37 Andrea doesn't know the difference between the "Pentagon" and the NSC and the CIA. Then she picks up the marbles and shoots again.

38 DrewM.: "They also tend to treat reporters as if they are trying to get information and not score liberal points. ... [Rumsfeld] understands he's in an adversarial situation and acts accordingly."

It's why he'll always be one of my favorite D.C. insiders. Speaking truth to "the Man" (which is now the MBM)? You betcha.

I miss the guy.

39
Kraut is up on Fox to thump liberal butt!

40
Juan Williams will make excuses for O'Dumbo's failure to comment on Libya.

I'm not disappointed, Juan is an asshole!

41 Oh man, now she uses the word "axis" to describe Cheney + Rummy.

Heh, yeah. Axis of Warcock, bitch.

42 >>On Mess-NBC? I hope it was for an Anthropology project. Nah, I enjoy watching MSNBC during the day. Not for the news value, for the entertainment. I don't get facts from cable TV, I get them online where you can I can just get facts and do my own analysis. I watch MSNBC to see how the other side just twists reality to suit their own agenda. This piece is a great example of the reality based community getting beaten about the head by reality. Now that's entertainment!

43 Rummie jumped with a Secret Service Agent to protect Gerald Ford. Rummie had to be restrained from going into the Pentagon to help after the 9-11 attacks.  Some Americans certainly hasn't treated a brave and courageous man very well. Andrea Mitchell isn't worthy to wipe his toilet.

44

Fuck you, Honey Badger....

...pussy

45 I didn't think it was medically possible to get that much botox into one woman's face and she still be able to talk.  

46 Trandrea should be doing something worthwhile like filling in her face craters with spackle, rather than trying to match wits with Rummy.  And fuck Powell just because that cocksucker is McCain v2.0 as far as selling people out to his assbreath MFM buds.

47 Wow. Andrea Mitchell is still being paid. That's fuckin tragic on several levels.

Last time she looked like one of the living she was washing a chariot on Caligula's lawn.

48 LOL, Honey Badger don't GAS and neither does Rummy.

49 I watch MSNBC to see how the other side just twists reality to suit their own agenda.

Ohhhh, so you're their viewer.

50
Andrea Mitchell isn't worthy to wipe his toilet.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at February 22, 2011 06:44 PM (uloio)

Andrea Mitchell isn't worthy to wipe his toilet ass.

Sir, excuse my impertinence, but on occasion we must identify a bung wiper for their contribution to mankind.

51 God, she can't keep up!  Too funny!

52 Fish the Impaler: "I'm not disappointed, Juan is an asshole useful, perhaps useless, idiot!"

53 Andrea Mitchell always reminded me of the Way Outs  from the Flintstones

54 I'm torn on Rumsfeld.  On the one hand, he indubitably made several massive mistakes in the pre-war planning, and his stubbornness in refusing to acknowledge and remedy them was a big hindrance to the war effort.

On the other hand, he's such a badass in explaining himself.  It's style over substance in this case, but damn I do like his style.

55
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 22, 2011 06:47 PM (swuwV)

Yes, Juan never disappoints, and The Kraut just spanked his butt.

56
gotta love Colin Powell, though

For the war? Who me? No, not me. I was against the war, all along.

57 She can't stop interrupting her.  I don't see how Don doesn't reach over and rip off her mic until she shuts the hell up.

58 Andrea Mitchell is as stupid as she is ugly.  Can you imagine seeing Greenspan and Mitchell in the sack?  No you can't.  You'll go blind instantly.

That's why she's a four-bagger.

One for her.

One for Alan.

And two for you when you enter the room (you get two in case the first one tears).

59

No, it wasn't Rumsfeld's fault the Iraq invasion went tits up.

It was the mostly the lawyers' fault for tying the hands of our military and partly the commanders' fault for being inept to battle 8th century barbarians streaming across Iraq's open borders.

60 I love the way he refuses to accept the premise of a number of her questions. It's a skill I wish more political figures had.

You know who also does that?  Liz Cheney, daughter of the Warcock.

61 Juan Williams is stealing 99.9% of whatever he's being paid.

How much is he being paid to sit on his ass and find new ways to say the same thing no matter what happens:

President Barak Obama is doing a great job.



Fox could just use some poster boards with the latest DNC talking points scrawled on them and save a mint. Maybe put a nice potted lily on the seat for people to look at.

62 As long as we're live-blogging FNC, is Valerie Jarrett a scrunt or what?

63 You dumbasses haven't watched a lick of the vids and here you are posting already.

Posted by: arhooley at February 22, 2011 06:27 PM (D45hw)

I didnt read your comment before responding either,

64

Rummie: yellow army boots 

Obama: Mom jeans 

65 59 No, it wasn't Rumsfeld's fault the Iraq invasion went tits up.

It was the mostly the lawyers' fault for tying the hands of our military and partly the commanders' fault for being inept to battle 8th century barbarians streaming across Iraq's open borders.

Not to mention our "allies" the Turks didn't allow the 82nd Airborne to invade Iraq from the North.

66 Fuck Colin Powell. That guy is overrated.

67
All those lies and rumors Andrea Mitchell was spewing was a product of George Bush not communicating with the American people.

He spent his presidency like a friggin mime and allowed the Left Wing to spin incredible stories about the war that eventually became 'widely held beliefs' in minds of Americans.

68 65 4th ID?

69

 he indubitably made several massive mistakes

Indubitably??

I haven't heard that used since the Goofy Gophers

70

Scenes We'd Like To See:

[Rummy to Mitchell]  Hey baby, you must've been something before electricity!  Wanna make fourteen dollars the hard way?

71

I didnt read your comment before responding either,

Posted by: Oldcat at February 22, 2011 06:54 PM

-------
In that case it wasn't a "response"; it was a lucky guess.

72 Valerie Jarret makes Andrea Mitchell look smart and sexy by comparison.

Valerie Jarret is Chairman Mao dressed as Carol Burnett.

73 On the one hand, he indubitably made several massive mistakes in the pre-war planning, and his stubbornness in refusing to acknowledge and remedy them was a big hindrance to the war effort.

Posted by: Jeff B. at February 22, 2011 06:48 PM (NjYDy)

Fellow morons have had this discussion here before.  I think most people believe that his early planning and execution were fucking A spot on and it was his unwillingness to change strategy as things subsequently developed (and I'm not even sure about that) that did him in.  I think Rummy was unjustly made a fall guy by a lot of MFM nits who have the military acumen of Trandrea.  He was probably getting burned out by the job and was a convenient scapegoat for turds like Rove to toss over the side to take the heat off everybody else.

74

good ol' Turks

75
"When in war, you do not ask. You just do."
--Shih Tzu

76

Fire Andrea Mitchell! 

QuackyDaffy orders destruction of Pipelines -

 (ya can't take it with you, when your going down you must be desperate)

http://preview.tinyurl.com/4uwsbqy
 

 

77 Not to mention our "allies" the Turks didn't allow the 82nd Airborne to invade Iraq from the North.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 22, 2011 06:54 PM (c0A3e)

Nah, that was an infantry division (Flavius says 4ID). We ended up going with the 173 AB brigade on a shoestring instead.

78 It's interesting how a man with vast experience, a nimble intellect, tremendous grasp of the facts, unflappable and with a quick wit can make this woman, who is supposedly as good as they come in the entertainment  Democrat apparatus news business, sound like a child whose hand was just photographed in the cookie jar.

79 "When in war, you do not ask. You just do."
--Shih Tzu

Posted by: Leftover Soothsayers at February 22, 2011 06:58 PM (2NNz2)

On the carpet, usually, for Shih Tzus.

80 Posted by: Captain Hate at February 22, 2011 06:57 PM (MAC3t)

I think this is probably the most accurate reading.  The initial invasion went off far better than just about anybody expected: that was Rummy's plan.  Where it went off the rails was during the occupation when we should have been implementing full COIN, and held off for quite some time.

I'm not even sure how much of the "delay" on starting COIN was due to Rummy, and how much was due to other factors/decision makers.

81 It's interesting how a man with vast experience, a nimble intellect, tremendous grasp of the facts, unflappable and with a quick wit can make this woman, who is supposedly as good as they come in the entertainment  Democrat apparatus news business, sound like a child whose hand was just photographed in the cookie jar.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at February 22, 2011 06:58 PM (LH6ir)

That's an insult to kids with hands in cookie jars. Most are far more adept.

82 I used to watch Rumsfeld's pressers. A few weeks into Afghanistan the MBM was asking such wild questions that SNL did a spoof of them. He was fantastic at answering their questions then and he still is now. Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 22, 2011 06:40 PM (yfJ6g) Darrell Hammond at his best there. "Any of the rest of you have any questions?" all the press members slowly put their hands down in fear. One of the funniest things ever on SNL.

83

I love it! She constantly tries to insert words in peoples' mouths and substitute certain agencies for other agencies, and he is having none of it. If she had any shame, she would be embarrassed by the thrashing he gave her.

84 @Arhooley,

Once again -- good job. Thank you.

85

OT: UN Security Council condemns crackdown in Libya, demands immediate end to the violence http://exm.nr/egop0p

Thank goodness, I was getting concerned this would drag on.

86 Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 22, 2011 07:00 PM (yfJ6g)j

I loved the part where she said that Powell had felt "pressured by the Pentagon," and Rumsfeld said, "He never said that."

87 But the surge worked and a great deal of the bad feeling toward the Bush admin. was based on the deteriorating situation in Iraq. If the surge had been put in place sooner, public opinion toward Bush and the repubs might have been better, and the idiot in chief might not have been elected. Speaking of the Idiot in Chief, I'm still waiting for him to admit that HE WAS WRONG ABOUT THE SURGE. Cause, you know, adults admit their mistakes. Assholes don't. Sorry for the profanity, but this crap with teachers and unions protesting in every state that is going belly up is really putting me in a bad mood.

88 Of course she talks down...  Rethugs are dumb angry white boys.

Historically, Democrats have claimed to speak for voters with less education and lower incomes, but it is clear that many of those voters no longer think the party speaks for them. The new survey confirms the depth of the Democrats' challenges with whites in these categories: When asked which party better understands the economic problems that people in the country are having, non-college whites side with the Republicans by a 14-point margin.


Harvard says.

89 Rumsfeld never had a chance after GW let the media write the story.

And GW did let the MFM write the Iraq and Afghanistan story. And they took full advantage. It damn near lost us two wars. It still might lose us the Afghan war.

Then, in his second term Bush inexplicably starting running a campaign for president of Mexico.

90 I daresay she'll not be booking him again anytime soon.  On to more compliant targets, like say Mitch Daniels.

91

"You have a lot of conclusions which come from people who weren't involved."

~D.R.

92 Posted by: Meremortal at February 22, 2011 07:01 PM (DffuX)

I'll take Meaningless Gestures for $600, Alex.

93 Darrell Hammond at his best there.
"Any of the rest of you have any questions?"
all the press members slowly put their hands down in fear.

One of the funniest things ever on SNL.

Posted by: CAC at February 22, 2011 07:00 PM (Gr1V1)

I was between positions during the first Gulf War and a reporter actually did ask for them to describe the means used to identify our tanks against air attack. It was spoofed on SNL, but that question was not an exaggeration.

94

Indubitably??

I haven't heard that used since the Goofy Gophers

Posted by: beedubya at February 22, 2011 06:55 PM (AnTyA)

Hell, I haven't heard it since Brother Dave, who also had the great line about "sitting in the shade of the Great Pyramid at Noon."

95 77 I read they had 55 A Teams with an MLRS Batallion. it was a ghost division. A good thing they were not pressed. They were shorthanded.

96 Nah, that was an infantry division (Flavius says 4ID). We ended up going with the 173 AB brigade on a shoestring instead.

Okay, thanks for the correction.  (I also believe Flavius). 

Still, we should have reconsidered our alliance with Turkey right then and there.  Fast forward a few years later, and you've got a Turkey that's on the cusp of becoming Islamist (if it isn't already).

97 36 I used to watch Rumsfeld's pressers. A few weeks into Afghanistan the MBM was asking such wild questions that SNL did a spoof of them. He was fantastic at answering their questions then and he still is now.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 22, 2011 06:40 PM (yfJ6g)

Straightforward, honest and logical is no way to go through life, son.

98 I'm torn on Rumsfeld.  On the one hand, he indubitably made several massive mistakes in the pre-war planning, and his stubbornness in refusing to acknowledge and remedy them was a big hindrance to the war effort.

Like what?  How can you know something is a mistake if you don't know what would have happened had other choices been made?  Iraq turned out just about the best it possibly could have.  Rumsfeld deserves much of the credit.

99 It's interesting how a man with vast experience, a nimble intellect, tremendous grasp of the facts, unflappable and with a quick wit can make this woman, who is supposedly as good as they come in the entertainment  Democrat apparatus news business, sound like a child whose hand was just photographed in the cookie jar.

Reminds me of that time Sarah Palin questioned Charlie Gibson when he misquoted her to her own face. Then he doubled down on the wrong. Since then, I'm sure he's had a raise or two. I imagine such a disproportional relationship between pay and achievement will not exist in any organization Palin runs.

100 Not to mention our "allies" the Turks didn't allow the 82nd Airborne to invade Iraq from the North.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 22, 2011 06:54 PM (c0A3e)

 

And that's when Turkey became just another ME shitstain as far as I was concerned. 

101
Is this right?


the plan was:
1. Depose Saddam and the Baathist regime
2. Install new regime.
3. Continue support until democratically elected leaders are in office and in control.

But then it got all balluxed up when a) insurgent (mostly foreigners) kept terrorizing the Iraqis and being  a deadly nuisance to our soldiers and troops, and b) we had to recruit & train a whole new friggin Iraqi army and police force.

102

It is like listening to a "Chatty Kathy" doll conduct an interview on Foreign Policy...you are either hoping the batteries go dead or the head falls off / explodes...utter evisceration.

 

 

103 Was Andrea Mitchell interviewing Rummy or attempting to lecture him?  I got confused after the 1:30 mark of the first clip.

104 Posted by: Oldcat at February 22, 2011 07:03 PM (z1N6a)

I remember watching several of the press briefings during the initial invasion into Iraq and media members asking things like "Where, exactly, are the [insert unit here]?"  Or "How do ground units call for air support?"  And the various military folks would deflect or whatever, but you could tell what they wanted to say was, "And would you like us to give you the combination to the planetary shield, Mr. Helmet?"

105

In the second Video at 1:32, when he tells her just a minute, look at the face of that cunt.

 

 

(sorry ladies, i don't usually use the C word, but I have a special hatred of andrea mitchell and her asshole husband)

106

The funniest part was when she was all like, "..but I read Woodward's book, so I know what I'm talking about"..

...and Rummy basically said "I was actually there you dumb f**king scrunt"

107 Still, we should have reconsidered our alliance with Turkey right then and there.  Fast forward a few years later, and you've got a Turkey that's on the cusp of becoming Islamist (if it isn't already).

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at February 22, 2011 07:04 PM (c0A3e)

It never pays to let someone stick a thumb in your eye without exacting a price.

108 @7:14 "Tyler Drumheller, the former CIA analysts who has written - never heard of him - (pause)Tyler Drumheller..." Can't decide what part of this bitch slap stung Andrea more - the look on his face while making the above comment or the actual way he made the comment either way he discredited her argument by ignoring the source of it as insignificant and beneath his level of recognition

109 I'll take Meaningless Gestures for $600, Alex.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 22, 2011 07:02 PM

I'll just screw the question and take the $600, Alex.

110 Mitchell is a worthless inside the beltway, MFM hack. She's never amounted to anything, and that isn't going to change with age.

111 I'll just screw the question and take the $600, Alex.
Posted by: U.N.

Yeah, but you'll screw anything that comes from a species that has two legs.  The more defenseless, the better, if I understand correctly.

112

That was so enjoyable I had to watch it a second time.

I believe Rumsfeld actually had fun.  Money line of the interview from Rumsfeld -- "I don't think I ever heard anybody say that before besides you."

 

113 Mitchell is a worthless inside the beltway, MFM hack. She's never amounted to anything, and that isn't going to change with age.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Confuse A Cat, Ltd at February 22, 2011 07:07 PM (eCAn3)

She's like a politburo member in the mid 80s. Trapped in the past and too old to change.

114 But the surge worked and a great deal of the bad feeling toward the Bush admin. was based on the deteriorating situation in Iraq. If the surge had been put in place sooner, public opinion toward Bush and the repubs might have been better, and the idiot in chief might not have been elected.

When to change strategies is always an educated guess to be subsequently analyzed at places like West Point.  There's a risk involved in doing things too quickly or late.  In the case of Iraq the surge was probably started too late but I'm not even willing to concede that.  As sifty said, you had the MFM yammering about sub-tertiary garbage like Abu Ghraib which removed resources from better deployment.  You can't ignore how damaging it was to let the MFM set the narrative; the blame for which goes right by Rummy and up to the top.

115 Yeah, but you'll screw anything that comes from a species that has two legs. 

That is a filthy lie. I do not limit myself to two-legged screwees.

116

(sorry ladies, i don't usually use the C word, but I have a special hatred of andrea mitchell and her asshole husband)

Posted by: Ben at February 22, 2011 07:05 PM (DKV43)

Jeebus, Ben...didn't you apologize the other night for using "shit" in a comment

117 Mitchell is an idiot that lacks the intellect, skill and courage too even consider challenging Rumsfeld. Just more MSNBC trash.

118 >>Speaking of the Idiot in Chief, I'm still waiting for him to admit that HE WAS WRONG ABOUT THE SURGE. Cause, you know, adults admit their mistakes. Assholes don't. Come on, you know Obama will never say those words. Still, he did admit he was wrong when he sent Petraeus to Afghanistan to implement the surge strategy there. You'll never get a liberal to admit they were wrong even when they copy exactly what you have done after calling it wrong.

119 Posted by: beedubya at February 22, 2011 07:10 PM (AnTyA)

I think Ben is like me.  We don't curse lightly.

That is a filthy lie. I do not limit myself to two-legged screwees.
Posted by: U.N.

I stand corrected.  Well, I sit.  But you'll just have to deal with that.

120

Exactamunda DM. Attacking the false premise of a question always presents an opportunity to advance your argument. Accepting the premise usually results in an admission and an apology. You would hope more of our guys and gals would do it. It doesn't take a moron to know what questions are coming.

Take "compromise."

"Why won't you compromise with the Democrats?"

What do you mean by compromise?

"Senator, you know what I mean by compromise."

Oh, you mean like ramming ObamaCare through the Senate on Christmas Eve? No hearings? Forty minutes of debate on 1/6 of the economy? That kind of compromise? Is that what you mean by compromise? Well, sir, I would never do that.

 

121

I think this is probably the most accurate reading.  The initial invasion went off far better than just about anybody expected: that was Rummy's plan.  Where it went off the rails was during the occupation when we should have been implementing full COIN, and held off for quite some time.

I'm not even sure how much of the "delay" on starting COIN was due to Rummy, and how much was due to other factors/decision makers.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 22, 2011 06:59 PM (8y9MW)

 

I think it started to go haywire when politically correct military lawyers and the SoS decided, at first, not to go after Al Sadr and his thugs.  The Iranians and AQ then saw their opening from that lull in the battle and they took it.  The blunder was not the DoD/military.

 

 

122 Posted by: Ben at February 22, 2011 07:05 PM (DKV43)

Mitchell has the pomposity that they teach in J school honed to a fine point. David Gregory might be the master, but this one is in the running.

They have never created anything in their lives. They have no idea how to make important decisions that have consequences. They simply parrot the Dem talking points, and only speak off the cuff when they see an opportunity for self-aggrandizement.

I hate them. They do not love their country; they love themselves and their wet dreams of a "gotcha moment" with someone who actually does things.

123 Andrea still needs to get those acne scares sandpapered off her face.  Preferably, with Allen West doing the sandpapering.

Bitch fugly.

124 I kinda expected Andrea to start quoting DrippyKos and the Ponytailed Cycle Dipshit there towards the end. She was getting that cat-piss smelling fear look.


"But, but, but, but, you are EVIL and I can prove it!!!!11!! I read a book by a guy who hates Republicans!!!! I have QUOTES ABOUT STUFF!!!! YOU WILL AGREE OR DIE!!!!!111!!!

125 Andrea has her notes in front of her, and you know that some one is screaming into an ear piece....and she still manages to get her nasty, dried up old ass handed to her.

126 Just once, he should have said. "Facts.  Do you know what the hell they are?"

127 That is a filthy lie. I do not limit myself to two-legged screwees.

Posted by: U.N. at February 22, 2011 07:10 PM (D45hw)

Its true.  FML, its true.

128 Where does she get her "facts"? The Daily Kos? Arianna Huffington?

This, is what is known as a smack-down! Wish more Republicans would challenge their interrogators false premises.

129

"Poor Andrea, she was born with a silver dick in her mouth."

-Barbara Richards

 

130 Isn't Mitchell the person, appearing as a crazed bag lady, crawled along a security detail trying to launch a few abrasive questions to Palin at an airport?

131 DR is the only man to make Dick Cheney nervous (albeit for only 3 seconds) afterwards was Katrina............because you know DC hates black people.

132 I had a major crush on Rummy.  Hell, he's still hot at nearly 80.

133 How long do you suppose it took them to burn that chair she was sitting in??  She surely exceeded her Depends Maximum Holding Capacity during that ass reaming.

134 Isn't Mitchell the person, appearing as a crazed bag lady, crawled along a security detail trying to launch a few abrasive questions to Palin at an airport?

Posted by: Barbarian at February 22, 2011 07:21 PM (EL+OC)

I think that was at a book signing.  Palin ignored her until she had no choice.   Mitchell looked like a fool, and the look on her face was priceless.

135 Heh.  I'd do pay-per-view to watch Andrea Mitchell interview Allen West. 

136 Jane you ignorant slut!!!!!!!!!!!

137

I think that was at a book signing.  Palin ignored her until she had no choice.   Mitchell looked like a fool, and the look on her face was priceless.

Posted by: Steph at February 22, 2011 07:23 PM (AkdC5)

That's it.

Thanks. I'll always remember that disturbed look on her face.

138 Andrea, you ignorant slut.

139 Posted by: Meremortal at February 22, 2011 07:21 PM (DffuX)

Ann, Mere.  Ann Richards. (Or it could be Anne, I don't remember if she had the appendix-like, vestigial 'e')

Besides, that, though, I LOL'd.

140 Don Rumsfeld has style. I like him on the personal level. Professionally, my complaints are numerous.

First, he was never meant to be a wartime consigliere. He was supposed to compare the current out of control Pentagon bureaucracy to what it was when he was SecDef the first time, and trim where needed to allow resources to be spent in the field, not in HQ.

Second, he fucked with the deployment timelines and schedules. Iraq was not Afghanistan, and my entire 101st Airborne Division was jerked back and forth to keep the entire force for 1003V (what became known as Operation Iraqi Freedom) under some magical number in his head. We were going, we weren't, we were going, we weren't, then holy fuck, we're going. The tail end of the Division was coming off container ships in a Kuwaiti harbor when the lead elements were crossing the berm heading north.

Third, he continued to abet the "information dominance net-centric warfare" fallacies coming out of the Navy's struggle to stay relevant and never saw an Air Force guy he didn't like. The reason the Army is a bunch of conservative stick in the mud types is because the fundamentals of ground warfare don't change very much.

Fourth, when Iraq was starting to fall apart for lack of pacification troops, the American proconsul-wannabe Paul Bremer (who I hope dies of a painful and inoperative form of cancer over several years) repeatedly went against professional advice to do his own thing. That fuckbag worked for either Rumsfeld or Cheney, and neither one exercised any form of command authority over Bremer to make him stop doing stupid shit. I seriously doubt General Petraeus will ever write a memoir, but somebody ask Jack Keane or Ray Ordierno. They saw the whole thing. 

141 106

The funniest part was when she was all like, "..but I read Woodward's book, so I know what I'm talking about"..

...and Rummy basically said "I was actually there you dumb f**king scrunt"

Comedy gold.

142 It was illegal  in all 57 states for Donald Rumsfeld to have sex until medical science had advanced to a point where doctors could keep the women alive afterward.

The process is now called The Cheney Procedure.

143 I'm not even sure how much of the "delay" on starting COIN was due to Rummy, and how much was due to other factors/decision makers.

COIN really only works once the populace grows tired of being murdered by an insurgency.  Only then do you get their cooperation.  Until that inflection point arrives, you just do your best to project (and actualize) the image of being a better choice.   It may take a while for that to sink in, and in the interim things will be pretty messy.

144 I loved the exchange where she kept trying to change one word to change what she asked and he kept smacking it back in her face.

145 Let's take up a collection, and send Andrea an "endangered" pet Honey Badger.  Bitch would name it "Barack" before she opened the cage.

146 >>I think it started to go haywire I'm gonna have to go all Rummy here and disagree with the premise. I think that was the impression we were hammered with day after day after day by both the msm and the Dems who were actively preaching defeat for political gain. Were there setbacks? Of course, it was a war followed by an insurgency. It was something new and took time to readjust and understand how to proceed forward while the left in this country and internationally was doing their best to aid the enemy. But we got it right in the end and while the loss of US life was tragic it was also relatively small put in the historical context of war and what we gained. Rumsfeld pointed to one of the most overlooked parts of the war when he mentioned Qaddafi's handing over his "well along" nuclear program because of Saddam's fall. Liberals like to pretend those weren't WMDs in the hand of a rogue nation with known ties to terrorists and had nothing to do with the war in Iraq but they were. I still think what we are seeing playing out in the middle east is a result of what happened in Iraq. That war opened up the middle east to the possibility of freedom and self rule. It's up to Obama to get it right and I doubt many of us think he will but that's on him not Bush or Rummy as much as the left will try to pretend it's not so.

147 Facts. How do they fucking work?

148 BaBa WaWa was basically called a ho today on her own show by Jessica Hahn

149 His biography is very good.

150 COIN really only works once the populace grows tired of being murdered by an insurgency.  Only then do you get their cooperation.  Until that inflection point arrives, you just do your best to project (and actualize) the image of being a better choice.   It may take a while for that to sink in, and in the interim things will be pretty messy.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 22, 2011 07:27 PM (dYhmw)

Or you look bad-ass enough that the insurgency never gets on track in the first place. Which is where we missed the bus - after the shock and awe we looked like we wouldn't follow through on civilian insurgents.

151 Were there setbacks? Of course, it was a war followed by an insurgency. 

Posted by: JackStraw at February 22, 2011 07:28 PM (TMB3S)

There are no perfect plans in wartime. The secret is to adapt and win, and we did - the war and the other war that followed.

152 I would have liked Rummy to mention that he was going to have a dinner-and-book-signing with Palin and her husband. He's not, but Andrea teh Scrunt  might've collapsed into a small clump of concentrated evil like in Time Bandits

153 What went wrong in Iraq:

We left too many bad people alive at first.

How we fixed it:

After we killed some more bad people the less bad people decided that it was better to be alive and maybe relax a bit.

154 ***sniff*** I miss Rummy.....he had the best press conferences, because he came across as thoughtful and knowledgeable, and the press came across as ignorant snarling curs -- much like these vids.

I always think of him as being somehow semi-mythical and epic -- "The Once and Future SecDef".

155 What fucking massive mistakes by Rumsfeld? The mistakes that led to us invading a dug-in country on the other side of the planet and defeating its army in three weeks? With only one beach-head? Not having Humvees that can withstand the force of three 155mm shells exploding? And what was Saint Powell's contribution? "You break it, you own it." Fuck. Off.

156 When John Bolton is SecDef and Ann Coulter is Press Secretary, DirecTV will have press conferences on Pay Per View.

157

Drew - this is classic.  I just got done watching part I and will be watching part II here shortly.  But I wanted to first comment and say that Rumsfeld indeed schooled the ambivalent Andrea Mitchell.  I wonder how much responsibility her husband has taken for his 19 years at the fed wherein he drove asset class bubbles allowing the central bank to establish interest rates with trillions of working capital to be loaned out in toxic enterprises based on toxic derivatives which in turn have led to a complete insolvency of our banking system.

I wonder if there was any "stove piping" going on there as Ms. Mitchell suggests of Rumsfeld!

158 Leftover Soothsayers: "...and allowed the Left Wing to spin incredible stories about the war that eventually became 'widely held beliefs' in minds of Americans."

That was my idea. My bad. Now, Everyone, rush to the middle! We can't possibly lose!

159

@ 148 -

They have Nothing better to do.

160 I agree Jeff.

The Humvee was never designed or meant to take more punishment than a Main Battle Tank.

Patton would have laughed at the concept.

Modern America would have surrendered after Kasserine Pass.

161 Or you look bad-ass enough that the insurgency never gets on track in the first place. Which is where we missed the bus...

The problem in Iraq was four-fold - Islam itself has an insurgency built-in in the form of various dictates in the Koran, Saddam had a pre-fab insurgency already organized and well armed, there was decades of generalized Arab anti-American propaganda to overcome, and Iran had (and still has) a vested interest in promoting chaos in Iraq.

It would have taken an invasion force of millions to overcome those four aspects in one-shot, and it would have fed into a self fulfilling prophesy of us being there as conquerors rather than liberators to go in that heavy.

In retrospect, invasion "lite" was the correct choice IMO.

162 >>I wonder if there was any "stove piping" going on there as Ms. Mitchell suggests of Rumsfeld! If you want to read about the stove piping of information in a way that will make your blood boil read The Looming Tower. If the idiotic walls separating the CIA and the FBI didn't allow 9/11 to happen they sure as hell made it easier. But you'll never hear about that in the msm. Thanks Bill Clinton, President of the World!

163 Pimp had right - Allen West;
Pimp hand left - Donald Rumsfeld.

I was just telling my students the other day how I would be willing to pay to see a Donald Rumsfeld press conference.  Unfortunately, they didn't know what a "have you stopped beating your wife" type question was.   I recall once when Rumsfeld replied to one with "Dose anyone have an intellignet question?  Anyone?"

Hell - I'm straight, and I'm getting a crush on the guy. We need a tripartate Executive Branch - West, Rumsfeld, and Cheney.

164 Modern America would have surrendered after Kasserine Pass.

Posted by: sifty at February 22, 2011 07:39 PM (cK4d/)

 

Modern America (especially under the present regime) would have aquiessed to all Japanese demands after Pearl Harbor.

165 JD WRT: "I don't think I ever heard anybody say that before besides you."

Yes, that was fantastic. I was just waiting for Rumsfeld to spit that out. It was like waiting for Christmas. I knew it was coming and just wanted to see the unwrapping of the present.

166 By, I haven't heard the word "stovepiping" in years. LOL

167

 

That was some seriously great awesomeness.

She is a massive cunt. You would NEVER find this twat pulling this same confrontation with anyone in the Barry cadre.

 

168 Modern America (especially under the present regime) would have aquiessed to all Japanese demands after Pearl Harbor.

"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else." - Winston Churchill.

169 You would NEVER find this twat pulling this same confrontation with anyone in the Barry cadre.

Well yea, its probably difficult to speak clearly on your knees with someone's dick in your mouth.

170 Captain Hate: "...There's a risk involved in doing things too quickly or late. In the case of Iraq the surge was probably started too late but I'm not even willing to concede that..."

Exactly. The Sunni Awakening had to reach critical mass for even a surge to work. Surge too soon and the enemy doesn't realize how bad things can really get. The "enemy" needs to understand just who the real opponents are, first, and then understand how to best defend their own interests. Plus, a directed surge is clearly more humane and less damaging than a mass purge since retreat is not an option.

171 #146, I was there. If we hadn't had "King David" Petraeus for a division commander, it would have been a lot worse.

Letting the low-dismount strength 3rd ID have Baghdad, then replacing them with another low-dismount strength unit (1st Armored Division) while having a revolving door at CENTCOM, JTF-7, and ORA/CPA was a disaster waiting to happen. And a lot falls on Tommy Franks at CENTCOM and Richard Meyers, Rumsfeld's pet four-star CJCS.

172

Just watched part II.  Drew I agree.  Conservative politicians need to understand that words have meaning and you should always, especially during an interview, only respond to questions that are accurately framed and to insist on plain English and clarification. 

Andrea Mitchell is sloppy yet, she is supposedly at the apex of MSM "journalism"  it is pathetic and Rumsfeld could have let her twist but he didn't because he is sage and understands that her ineptness and political aggression would be on full display.

This would be a good video to educate journalism students as to the failings of the fourth estate and their nuanced and not so nuanced agenda.

173 Fourth, when Iraq was starting to fall apart for lack of pacification troops, the American proconsul-wannabe Paul Bremer (who I hope dies of a painful and inoperative form of cancer over several years) repeatedly went against professional advice to do his own thing. That fuckbag worked for either Rumsfeld or Cheney, and neither one exercised any form of command authority over Bremer to make him stop doing stupid shit.

Technically Bremer worked for Rumsfeld, but in an interview I read Rumsfeld claimed Bremer told him he worked at the pleasure of the president and wouldn't be taking direction from SecDef.  Bush apparently backed him up on it, too.  I got the distinct impression Rumsfeld didn't like Bremer personally and liked the split authority even less.

Seems like Rumsfeld's biggest frustration was the lack of clear lines of authority.  Bush was content to have everybody work things out by consensus, and it didn't always pan out.  Sometimes decisions that needed to be made didn't get made in a timely manner, or at all, especially when it came to DoD/State conflicts.

In my mind the person who comes out looking a bit tarnished is Bush.

174 Did this creepy witch ever crack a smile?  He sure was in an adversarial position.  He would have had to be a fool not to know it.  She did nothing to hide her dislike and animosity. I don't know if she just didn't do her homework or if the homework didn't fit the nuance, but she quoted many people, according to Rumsfeld, who did n't have anything to do with much of anything.

175 That went well. 

That war mongering son-of-a-bitch is never going to be on my show again!!!

Where's Bruce....goddamit you told me he was a doddering old man!!  I'm married to a doddering old man...you bastard!!!  Where's Jill...get me a goddamn Fresca you skinny bitch..oh!!..and you are so fired.  Get that sack of bones I'm married to on the phone...he knows people...he can get that fucker Killed!!!

176 Rummy should have leaned over and stroked her cheek, then said:

"Andrea, what you need is some serious deep dickin'. How 'bout you come back to my place and let's boogie?"

It would have been Scanners all over Liberalville.

177 Posted by: Andrea 'I totally am not walking funny after that ass rape'Mitchel at February 22, 2011 08:01 PM (azgo2)

Fuck! I laughed out loud!

178 And a lot falls on Tommy Franks at CENTCOM and Richard Meyers, Rumsfeld's pet four-star CJCS.

I could never stand Franks.  The problem with prolonged periods of peace is the people who end up at the top are the ones who know how to succeed at peacetime soldiering.

Felt the same way about Abizaid.

179
Seems like Rumsfeld's biggest frustration was the lack of clear lines of authority.  Bush was content to have everybody work things out by consensus, and it didn't always pan out. 




As I vaguely recall, FDR pulled some of the same consensus garbage. But where W seemed to do it because he wanted to avoid playing favorites among the staff, FDR was more interested in playing one off against another like the Cabinet was his personal stable of gladiators, fighting amongst themselves for the President's pleasure.

180 The Toadie just lost his fingers.

181 Letting the low-dismount strength 3rd ID have Baghdad, then replacing them with another low-dismount strength unit (1st Armored Division) while having a revolving door at CENTCOM, JTF-7, and ORA/CPA was a disaster waiting to happen. And a lot falls on Tommy Franks at CENTCOM and Richard Meyers, Rumsfeld's pet four-star CJCS. ALL mech infantry units were well below strength, SGT Dan. I was an 11M and watched Clinton decimate the Army's end strength. All the 11H guys, our "Echo" companies, just went away. We ended up drawing down to like 495,000 active duty by 1999. It's different for you 11Bs - you can always shuffle around guys to even out squads or even rob some HHC fags in a pinch. In a mech company, you've got 14 tracks, including the CO's and XO's. Those get crewed FIRST. Because God forbid we don't feed the fucking Bradleys. We'd have like three crunchies in the back of each track - it was stupid. We looked like Cav or some such ungodly shit.

182 When did this place turn into a smart military blog?

183 In my mind the person who comes out looking a bit tarnished is Bush.

The closest thing the US has been involved with in its history probably was reconstruction after the Civil War, so there wasn't a lot of precedent to work with.  When you're experimenting breaking new ground, shit's gonna happen.

Even the Japan/Germany surrender/reconstruction weren't really analogous as those populations generally accepted their defeat with some grace and resistance was (relatively) minimal.  With Germany it was generally understood that surrendering to the Americans/Brits was greatly preferable to the Soviets, so there was some motivation to go along with the program.  With the Japanese, the American occupation forces, and their general good behavior and helpfulness, pretty quickly eroded the pre-surrender fear the populace had due to being propagandized.

184

 

I liked how he called her Andy.

 

 

185 So did she. Hope she was sitting on a towel.

186 Andrea Mitchell - another left wing hack.  Is she a troofer too?

187 It was like Rummy was having rough sex w/ her psyche and ELVIS was the safety word or something. She may be a dumb scrunt, but she knows she had her ass handed to her in a thoroughly professional manner.

I bet her ass hurts from it. 

188 I always loved his pressers. 

189 The closest thing the US has been involved with in its history probably was reconstruction after the Civil War, so there wasn't a lot of precedent to work with.  When you're experimenting breaking new ground, shit's gonna happen.

Oh, I agree with everything you wrote.  Things ended up turning out okay, which isn't something that just happens by accident.  I just don't think that kind of management style is appropriate in wartime.  Decisions need to be made and you make them - you don't leave your subordinates twisting in the wind and unable to plan.

190 4. Sheeeit, younkers, I was into Lemmy when he was still with Hawkwind!

191

I think it started to go haywire when politically correct military lawyers and the SoS decided, at first, not to go after Al Sadr and his thugs.  The Iranians and AQ then saw their opening from that lull in the battle and they took it.  The blunder was not the DoD/military.

Posted by: Soona at February 22, 2011 07:14 PM (lNqJx)

Thanks Soona that needed to be said.  The minute lawyers got involved with defining ROE and SecState defined targets, the game was over.  There was no way to accomplish anything like a coherent mission after that

192 I like how she avoided getting into his early career when he was a congressman.  It would publicly punch large holes in the racist Republican theory you get from media these days.  Do some digging and you can find the by-name votes on the civil rights act of 1964.  Rummy's name is on there with a yes vote next to it.

193 Mitchell seemed to have talked to her close, personal friend Colin Powell in preparation of the interview instead of, you know, actually reading the book.  The Greenspans are very tight with the Powells.

194  " I never heard of Tyler Bumdriller"

195 Hell, he's still hot at nearly 80.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 22, 2011 07:22 PM (UOM4

He had me thinking about my bunk.

196 "Every family values-oriented conservative should understand this," Parra says in the video. "At the end of the day, you're going to put aside political opinions, political alliances, and vote for the party that you think (is) not going to deport your grandmother."<<< Like illegals would even consider not voting themselves heapin' helpin's of our hospitalitee, i.e., democrat handouts. Their votes are based on unenlightened self-interest, that is, short-term greed. Not logic, not the ability to reason the outcome of their actions--hence the state Mexico finds itself in. That's just what we needed to import, an ignorant peon class that knows just enough to attach itself to the teat of the American sow. Shared principles my broad Scottish fanny.

197 Andrea.. nice way of replacing "might" with "didn't" in the first clip. You are a  hack, surrounded by morons...

198 I just read Douglas Feith's book. The Office of Strategic Plans had like 3 employees, and one of those employees ended up running for Congress as a Democrat...so I doubt they were cooking up fake intel. The job of intel, of course, is the CIA's...anyone think Tenet got hassled by the MSM? No way - he hurt Bush so he was golden. And Colin Powell does not come off well in the book...Rummy says the same thing - the dude never objected in the meetings or private...

199 sexypig: "And Colin Powell does not come off well in the book...Rummy says the same thing - the dude never objected in the meetings or private."

Kinda like voting "present"? I guess it's easier to be popular if you never take a hard stand. Either/or equivocation is expected from a politician, not from a leader... which explains Powell to me.

200 Mitchell:  "Thank Gah....Thankfully".  She nearly shed her PC cloak.

201 sweet Jesus, the man is hotter than fire. "Stovepiping?" hahahaahhaa

202 I like how Andrea catches herself from saying "Thank God!" and switches it to "Thankfully" in response to Ford almost being shot.

Can't have that on MSNBC

203 I believe it was the 4th ID that was supposed to come in through Turkey, and when they  refused, we used the Airborne.

204 Also fun? Hearing Rumsfeld pimp his website several times. Not sure why, it just is.

Why? Because it's all part of the pwnage.

205 Rumsfeld has always been excellent with reporters and commentators. When the premise of the question is invalid, he rejects it. I learned that as a teen-ager, decades ago, from the writings of Ayn Rand. Too many politicians (especially the Republicans) fall for the loaded questions. They should watch all of Rumsfeld's interviews 10 times before running for office.

206 Rummy's use of the White Axe Hand technique here was flawless.

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