October 24, 2011
— Monty
When I was in college, I had a deadbeat roommate who borrowed $100 from me and never paid it back. In retrospect, the fault was mine: he had no job, no prospects of getting a job, and no wealthy relatives to sponge off of. But he assured me that his intentions were honorable, so I went ahead and loaned him the money. Credit card companies are making the same mistake I made, only for a vastly larger sum of money. Good luck collecting on that debt, guys. I've been waiting on that loaned-out hundie for more than twenty years now.
The big Eurozone summit over the weekend didn't accomplish much. If you read between the lines and parse the language in the carefully-phrased public statements, it's pretty clear that nothing of substance was achieved. At base, the issues are intractable: what's good for Germany and the more industrious northern nations of Europe is disastrous for the less productive south, and vice versa. The problem is inherent in the very design of the Eurozone, and cannot be "fixed".
Where do the Europeans plan to get the funding for their beefed up EFSF, by the way? Their eyes are turning to China and Brazil. But investors there can read a balance-sheet and see the demographic trends, so if I were the European finance ministers I wouldn't hang my hat on that avenue of funding.
1. Without economic growth, you cannot have a social safety net.
2. Governments create nothing, and are not productive.
Debt securities: it all started in Florence, Italy. FYI: Italy spends 14% of its aggregate output on pensions for public-sector retirees. That's going to be a familiar number for nearly every level of government here in the US as our public-sector healthcare and pension costs continue their inexorable rise.
I don’t think this was the “positive sign” that so many investors were hoping to see out of the EU talks.
The red state in your future? I would be careful with this absolutist narrative: demographic trends are likely to play out in unpredictable ways going forward. I think it is a given that citizens will flee from the high-tax, socially dysfunctional "blue" states -- but they will carry their dysfunctions right along with them when they enter the "red" states. (Remember that as recently as the 1960's, California was as "red" as Texas.) It's silly to think that the massive financial problems in a state like California, Illinois, or New York (or even Rhode Island) can be safely fenced in.
LetÂ’s be crystal clear about this. To tell a 50 year old pretty lies about the soundness of a pension plan is one of the most wicked and irresponsible things you can do without actually shedding blood; people who believe these phony promises will not make the extra savings, work the extra years or otherwise take steps to protect themselves until it is too late.
From the NYT article about Rhode Island:
Until this year, Rhode Island calculated its pension numbers by assuming that its various funds would post an average annual return on their investments of 8.25 percent; the real number for the last decade is about 2.4 percent.Yeah, reality is a stone cold bitch, ain't it? Money that can't be paid out, won't be, no matter what the government and courts say.
Note to Thomas "Porn-stache" Friedman: the world is far from flat.
Why China copies instead of innovating. R&D is expensive and time-consuming, and often leads to unproductive dead-ends. Also, entrepreneurship and invention require a certain individualism and non-conformist mindset that does not come naturally to many Chinese people. China is also in a hurry to get rich before their demographic bulge kills them, and copying is a lot faster (and cheaper) than inventing. Much of China's long history is composed of almost getting to be a world power, but not quite making it. Some of this is simply historical accident, but much of it has to do with Chinese culture and character as well.
[Anecdote: I remember reading an essay a few years back about an American professor who taught in a Chinese business school for a semester. He assigned a final project to his class full of hopeful future Chinese MBA's: come up with a unique business-plan and present it to the class. As an example, he took the class through the creation of a plan for a fast-food franchise. Later, when everyone turned their projects in? More than half were business plans on how to start a fast-food franchise, and others in similar fields like restaurants or convenience stores.]
The OWS protesters? Short version: they're idiots. Stinky, hairy, flabby, noisy idiots.
Hyperinflation: can it happen here? We're fools if we think we're somehow immune from the same folly and lack of foresight as other nations and empires throughout history. Even sober-minded central bankers can be panicked by events over which they have no control, and they are exquisitely prone to pressure by politicians. The notion of a purely independent central bank is nonsense; the whole conception of a central (national) bank is political, and central bankers are political animals whether they wish to admit it or not. This is doubly true in the age of fiat money.
Well, given how Europe has evolved in the postwar years, this is pretty much business-as-usual: smiles in public, backbiting and despair in private. It's really amazing how bad the political class is right now, both here and in Europe. I don't even think the motley collection of European rabble-rousers, tyrants, calcified aristocracy, and faded royalty during the runup to World War I were this bad. It doesn't bode well for the future.
The Four Horsemen of the (Financial) Apocalypse: Japan, Greece, Zimbabwe, and France. What's notable about all these examples of financial DOOM is that all were either caused by or exacerbated by political idiocy. Politicians of whatever nationality seem to be constitutionally unable to keep their fingers out of things. They think in a flawed syllogism: a) something needs to be done; b) X is something; c) therefore X must be done. (Whatever "X" is.) But sometimes, it's best to just do nothing. Inaction carries its own risks, of course, but sometimes it really is the best course of (in)action.
In case you forgot, Spain and Portugal are still boned.
The Keynesian notion of "aggregate demand" is nonsense. I've thought so for years. It's facile to think that if only we could stimulate demand for more N (where N is an arbitrary product or service) then more N would inevitably be produced. In theory more demand produces more supply, but it is not a linear or even particularly causal process. In reality supply is constrained in many dimensions that are not directly influenced by demand (the demand for N may be infinite, but in a world of scarce resources with alternative uses, there's only so much raw material, labor and capital to go around). Sometimes supply creates demand that didn't exist before (how many people knew they wanted an iPad before Apple invented it?). And the classical governmental action of favoring demand over supply -- price controls -- has failed utterly every time it has been tried. Instead of stimulating supply, it eliminates supply (because why would producers keep producing something at a loss?). Prices are how a free marketplace allocates scarce goods (and we live in a universe where nearly everything is scarce in one way or another). When that pricing signal is warped by governmental interference, the results are almost always harmful.
Even the Italians are turning sour on high-speed rail.
Times is hard when even brown liquor can't turn a profit.
UPDATE 1: Dividend stocks. There was a time when investing in this kind of stock was the norm.
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"This is just my sleeping-on money. I keep the serious cash underneath the bed."
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Posted by: Tim Geithner at October 24, 2011 04:40 AM (rJVPU)
Posted by: Sub-Tard at October 24, 2011 04:42 AM (0M3AQ)
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 24, 2011 04:46 AM (O7ksG)
But if every deadbeat I had loaned money to in my life paid me back I would be rich and could buy me a new truck.
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 04:47 AM (YdQQY)
We have the opposite problem here in the U.S. Not with the economy, that is the same. It is the geographic location of the "productive vs the unproductive".
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 04:49 AM (YdQQY)
Many fed-up citizens in those blue states are leaving. But others have decided that if anyone is going to leave, itÂ’s those big-spending politicians who brought on the fiscal disaster.
After writing about CA he writes this??? They just elected goofball commie Brown.
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 04:52 AM (YdQQY)
Put me in charge . . .
Put me in charge of food stamps. I'd get rid of Lone Star cards; no cash for
Ding Dongs or Ho Ho's, just money for 50-pound bags of rice and beans,
blocks of cheese and all the powdered milk you can haul away. If you want
steak and frozen pizza, then get a job.
Put me in charge of Medicaid. The first thing I'd do is to get women
Norplant birth control implants or tubal ligations. Then, we'll test
recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine and document all tattoos and
piercings. If you want to reproduce or use drugs, alcohol, smoke or get
tats and piercings, then get a job.
Put me in charge of government housing. Ever live in a military barracks?
You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair. Your
"home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be
inventoried. If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your
own place.
In addition, you will either present a check stub from a job each week or
you will report to a "government" job. It may be cleaning the roadways of
trash, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you. We
will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your blasting stereo
and speakers and put that money toward the “common good..”
Before you write that I've violated someone's rights, realize that all of
the above is voluntary. If you want our money, accept our rules.. Before
you say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin their "self esteem,"
consider that it wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money for
doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self esteem.
If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at least
attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system
rewards them for continuing to make bad choices.
AND While you are on GovÂ’t subsistence, you no longer can VOTE! Yes that is
correct. For you to vote would be a conflict of interest. You will
voluntarily remove yourself from voting while you are receiving a GovÂ’t
welfare check. If you want to vote, then get a job.
Posted by: chain mail at October 24, 2011 04:52 AM (lRZZ9)
Charlie Rose interview with Ray Dalio
"there are no more tools in the toolkit"
Posted by: doom juice at October 24, 2011 04:54 AM (Zw/H7)
Times is hard when even brown liquor can't turn a profit.
From the article it looks like the company that owned Beam and makers Mark was bleeding the profits from them to support other shit. Hell, I drank enough Beam yesterday for them to turn a profit.Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 04:58 AM (YdQQY)
I like your style and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
In a few minutes I'll hunt up a link to a different style of African aid. It basically involves only rewarding people after they meet certain goals. There are quite a few symmetries between their approach and your post.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 24, 2011 05:01 AM (ENKCw)
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 05:02 AM (YdQQY)
Looks like the cat's owner had a pretty good night at the Pussycat club.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 24, 2011 05:02 AM (D5iHx)
The difference between you and the CC companies, is I won't soaked to make you whole.
Posted by: dogfish at October 24, 2011 05:03 AM (N2yhW)
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 09:02 AM (YdQQY)
Also, if you invest enough, you don't have to burn through your life savings with the ridiculous 4% 'plan'. You live off of the dividends only, then pass the stocks on to your kids with a stepped up basis when you die.
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at October 24, 2011 05:05 AM (D5iHx)
Posted by: Paladin at October 24, 2011 05:05 AM (ycm4Q)
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 24, 2011 05:05 AM (ENKCw)
Brown liquor is really just fermented sewage.
And speaking of fermented sewage, Perry just spewed some by suggesting in a magazine article that Barry just might not be American born after all, because - don't you know - he just shared a burger with Donalt Trump and Trump thinks Barry's birth certificate may just be fake.
I think it's time to slam the lid on the coffin that is Perry's presidential campaign and let the guy rest in peace.
I'm moving into Coulter's camp: it's gonna be Romney, it just is. Except I don't want Cain as VP... Cain is a hustler, a grifter, a confidence man that never bothered thinking thru an answer on abortion and is making up crap about "9/9/9" on the fly. He is not serious. He's a fake, a phony, and a fraud.
I think what we need - in light of all our other options, that are pitiful each in their way - is Romney/Gingrich 2012, saddled a conservative Congress to prevent any "growth" towards liberalism on their part.
I know some people like Y-not are still holding out for Perry, but Jesus: between being a Stuttering-You-Know-What during debates, you've got Anita's bizaaro performance accusing conservatives of hating Christians (!), and now... Birtherism??
Perry has shaped up as an idiot. Bachmann is a loon. Cain is not serious, and looking to sell books after the campaign. Santorum is as exciting as a cold coffee, Paul probably lent Perry his tinfoil cap. Newt has his oddities, but would undoubtedly do well as a VP Attack Dog and is a fountain of ideas. sure, some are flaky, but Romney is nothing if not a very astute politician that knows what will and what will not fly with the electorate, so he'd keep Newt under control.
Now, regarding Romney's flip-flops, etc., I've been thinking (I know, I know... a dangerous thing... ). Look, NO true conservative will EVER be elected in Massachusetts unless they move closer to the center in a state where the center is unfortunately liberal. So I'm willing to accept that Romney moved there because there was no other way for him to win an election, and - looking at that lunatic Commie Warner woman - can believe that he was nevertheless still far preferable to the Democrat alternative.
Would I have preferred Rick Perry, brilliant politician, debater, and all around polished smart guy? Yes. Unfortunately, I've only seen THAT Perry in my dreams, hiding his impressive 10 lbs link of sausage in Miss October's denuded cooter. Alas, that is not the Perry running for President.
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 05:07 AM (Iaxlk)
Exactly. I am living off the dividends now. Unfortunately I will have to begin cashing in those stocks soon because they are part of a 401K.
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 05:08 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 05:09 AM (YdQQY)
Today's workers who do not have a pension. Today's workers who must save for every penny of their retirement AND pay to fund the bail out of these government pension nationwide.
The word "Retirement" will soon be stricken from the dictionary as it will get ugly fairly soon as today's generation says "fuck no" to picking up the tab for the most selfish "Me Me Me" generation who scammed overtime the last three years before "retiring" so they could steal a 6 figure pension on the backs of our children.
Posted by: TexBob at October 24, 2011 05:10 AM (7cXE7)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 05:12 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 09:09 AM (YdQQY)
I think the same of Perry, at this point.
BIRTHERISM, for God's SAKE!! Is this clown for real??
Perry would be eaten alive. It's so easy for the Media to caricature conservatives as it is, without them actually being a living, breathing caricature.
I think Coulter is actually right.
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 05:13 AM (Iaxlk)
Buh? I've heard GDP growth rates for Argentina of upwards of 2.5%, but bear in mind two things: they are a highly-volatile economy that defaulted as recently as the late 1990's. Some of their growth is real -- they had nowhere to go but up in a lot of ways -- but a lot of it is just happy-talk. And the social spending "miracle" is like a lot of such "miracles" in Latin America: it's simply laying the groundwork for future crashes. Inflation is high, productivity is fairly flat, and both corruption and lack of international competitiveness hamper growth going forward.
Argentina is like Brazil, economically: perpetually the "country of the future" that still somehow never quite gets there.
Posted by: Monty at October 24, 2011 05:14 AM (/0a60)
All on has to do is go back and review Coulter's history of candidate support. Her chosen candidates have been an absolute disaster.
She has NEVER been right.
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 05:17 AM (YdQQY)
You may not like Rick Perry (your protestations notwithstanding), but Mitt Romney is almost as much of a clusterf*ck of failure as SCOAMFOTUS himself.
Look, NO true conservative will EVER be elected in Massachusetts unless they move closer to the center in a state where the center is unfortunately liberal.
This is true. Which, based on his RECORD indicates that Mittens was never a "true conservative." He seems more like a moderate-ish democrat who knew he would never win the Democrat nomination in MA.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 05:19 AM (8y9MW)
According to an administration official, Mr. Obama will kick off his new offensive in Las Vegas, ground zero of the housing bust, by promoting new rules for federally guaranteed mortgages so that more homeowners, those with little or no equity in their homes, can refinance and avert foreclosure.
While details remain sketchy, the initiative is expected to change eligibility standards for the three-year-old Home Affordable Refinance Program to encourage new, lower-cost loans to more homeowners who owe more on their mortgages than their properties are worth.
Had George Bush decided to bypass Congress with an obvious re-election ploy like this the NY Slimes with the rest of the MFM would have screaming bloody murder. However for Barry it's more heroic moves.
Posted by: TheQuietMan at October 24, 2011 05:19 AM (1Jaio)
Well, at least they start with the lie, just to get it out of the way. Last I checked, the Democrats controlled the Senate. Also last I checked, they were the ones "defecting" to vote 'no' on cloture.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 05:21 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 09:17 AM (YdQQY)
Even a stopped clock is right at least twice a day.
Look, I don't care for Romney... but what's the alternative? All I'm doing is making what I believe is the most reasonable choice from a list of unreasonable choices.
What more does Perry have to do to prove he's simply not the right guy? It's one miserable performance after another, one weird event after another, and now this birtherism redux crap. Yeah, I know he said it's "not determinative" (Huh? is he channeling effing W???) but then why raise the issue at all?
Do we want a candidate that allows his sense of reality to be defined by Donald Effing TRUMP??
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 05:22 AM (Iaxlk)
>>Much of China's long history is composed of almost getting to be a world power, but not quite making it. Some of this is simply historical accident, but much of it has to do with Chinese culture and character as well.
A perfect example would be Zhang He's fleet.
He was their Columbus. He sailed to Africa, the Middle East, and everywhere in Asia. His fleet was one of the greatest in the world at the time, but an untimely death of an emperor and a new isolationist emperor Hongxi cut the funding and destroyed the fleet.
Everytime China is on the edge of become a great power, they find a way to sabatoge themselves. I am inclined to think they will do so again.
Posted by: Ben at October 24, 2011 05:24 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: JewishOdysseus at October 24, 2011 05:25 AM (Z7ypG)
Four "hosemen" of the (financial) apocalypse? Probably just a typo, but I like it. A bit of elegant variation switching from "boned" to "hosed".
Posted by: Surellin at October 24, 2011 05:25 AM (DWuhs)
Newstrack India (Don't blame me Google insists on using foreign new agencies all the time)
ANI
Washington
Mon, 24 Oct 2011:
Washington, Oct 24 (ANI): Texas Governor Rick Perry has reactivated debate over the so-called 'birther issue,' by expressing doubts about the authenticity of US President Barack Obama's birth certificate
When asked during an interview with Parade magazine, if he believed Obama was born in the US, Perry sponded that he "has no reason to think otherwise" before hedging that he did not have "a definitive answer.
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Perry also said he recently had dinner with businessman Donald Trump, whose repeated questioning of Obama's place of birth made the president release his long-form birth certificate in April this year, the Courier Mail reports.
"He doesn't think it's real," Perry said about Trump's view of the president's birth certificate.
"I don't have any idea. It doesn't matter. He's the president of the United States. He's elected. It's a distractive issue," he added.
Perry also said he would like to have Trump's endorsement for his presidential candidacy.
"He is a job-creating machine, and that's what I'm all about," Perry said. (ANI)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 05:26 AM (Iaxlk)
Do you want to post a link, or at least a specific citation, to your assertion? How about a fully qualified quotation from the "magazine article," you reference?
You have simply said "Hey, in a magazine article, Perry says Obama may not have been born in America." But you haven't told us what magazine, what the actual question was, or his specific answer. That makes me concerned that you might not be presenting all of the pertinent facts.
C'mon CC, this is disputation 101- "a magazine" is not a citation.
Was it Time? Newsweek? New Republic? The Farmer's Almanac? Where did he make this statement? What was the question that was asked, and what was his specific answer?
What more does Perry have to do to prove he's simply not the right guy?
Someone else on the blog said this, and I agree: Spew bloody snakes from his mouth on national television.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 05:26 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 05:27 AM (Iaxlk)
*Snicker* "Hosemen." I does fit, doesn't it?
I missed that. I fixed the typo, but it was pretty funny.
Posted by: Monty at October 24, 2011 05:28 AM (/0a60)
"I don't have any idea. It doesn't matter. He's the president of the United States. He's elected. It's a distractive issue," he added.
is that what you call a ringing endorsement of "birther"?
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 05:29 AM (YdQQY)
>>>Dividend stocks are not just for "retirement". A good blue chip utility not only pays a high dividend, but it doesn't collapse like the rest of them when the economy goes sour.
I hope so, I've been buying discounted dividend stocks this year. I should make out well assuming their isn't a total collapse.
I have two concerns though.
One, in Europe a collapse there or dissolution of the EU could destroyn many European banks which could in turn destroy many of ours.
Another major concern that no one seems to be talking about is nationalization.
Europe has a recent history of going from democracy to facist/socialist at the drop of a hat.
Who is to say if the EU dissolves that each European nation won't revert to extremely militant nationalism and take over all foreign owns assets within the country? Especially the smaller countries. A lot of American and foreign companies own large and expensive assets in Europe.
Posted by: Ben at October 24, 2011 05:31 AM (wuv1c)
OMFG, CC. This is EXACTLY the answer we begged our people to be making.
He said, in order: "I have no reason to believe it's not real." "I don't have a definitive answer" (yes, he could have left that out). and "It doesn't matter."
The part about "Trump says," is specifically Perry neither agreeing nor disagreeing with what Trump says. It's exactly what you would expect a politician seeking specific support to say. If he says, "yes, I think he's right" then he's a birther. If he says, "no, I think the guy is a loon," he doesn't get the support (both an endorsement and fundraising, I would guess) that he's seeking.
You'll also note that this foreign news agency- citing Parade magazine- does not provide direct quotes either: neither the specific question(s) he was asked, nor the full answers.
We (rightfully) scorn Ace for exactly this kind of "take them at their word" reporting of what the MFM (of which Google News is a member in good standing) says. So you can stop your hyperventilating, now.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 05:32 AM (8y9MW)
@45: No, it's what I call A STUPID THING TO SAY that makes him look stupid and makes him look like he's leaving the door open to birtherism and makes him vulnerable to caricature.
If he has no idea... he should have STFU about it. "I think he was born in Hawaii" is the only useful answer, the only one that could not hurt him. PERIOD. The fact his political judgment is so utterly stupid to not realize that is a huge mark against him.
My God, can you imagine him being asked that in a Obama/perry debate and he pleads that "Well, TRUMP is not sure..." TRUMP???
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 05:34 AM (Iaxlk)
Yeah, this bullshit was advanced by a dumb fucking troll yesterday, and as quickly debunked.
Posted by: Waterhouse at October 24, 2011 05:34 AM (mjSSA)
Posted by: Velvet Ambition at October 24, 2011 05:34 AM (mFxQX)
Posted by: mytralman at October 24, 2011 05:34 AM (ej6sF)
Look Allen, controlling the message is part of being an effective candidate. Reagan could do it, even George W. to a lesser extent.
The mark of an extremely weak candidate is one that cannot control the message, cannot control the narraive: the one that says crap that is patently stupid and can be seen as a potential pratfall from a mile off. THAT is the mark of a weak candidate... of a Palin... and a Perry.
First of all, Perry should NEVER have referenced Trump at all. Who the hell CARES what a reality show host and casino owner thinks?? Secondly, maybe his answer would have made sense before Obama released the long form, but after that? It's OVER, the issue is dead, and even touching on it is toxic.
And a strong candidate that can control the narrative would have known that.
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 05:38 AM (Iaxlk)
A. Weiner
E. Edwards
B. Clinton
?
(I can think of many candidates here for the 4th, but none 'stick out')
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 24, 2011 05:38 AM (ENKCw)
One, in Europe a collapse there or dissolution of the EU could destroyn many European banks which could in turn destroy many of ours.
Another major concern that no one seems to be talking about is nationalization.
If that happens it doesn't matter what you are "invested" in. That is why part of your portfolio should be lead and long term storage groceries.
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 05:41 AM (YdQQY)
Free money for anyone who pulls the lever for the Obama! Reset!
Obama will be in Denver again. He's looking for campaign photo-ops and once again poor Denver must suffer. This one is on the Auraria campus in front of students - what's left of his adoring young fans.
Posted by: Lemon Kitten at October 24, 2011 05:43 AM (O7ksG)
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 05:43 AM (YdQQY)
From Parade Magainze online:
Governor, do you believe that President Barack Obama was born in the United States?
I have no reason to think otherwise.
That’s not a definitive, “Yes, I believe he”—
Well, I donÂ’t have a definitive answer, because heÂ’s never seen my birth certificate.
But youÂ’ve seen his.
I donÂ’t know. Have I?
You donÂ’t believe whatÂ’s been released?
I donÂ’t know. I had dinner with Donald Trump the other night.
And?
That came up.
And he said?
He doesnÂ’t think itÂ’s real.
And you said?
I donÂ’t have any idea. It doesnÂ’t matter. HeÂ’s the President of the United States. HeÂ’s elected. ItÂ’s a distractive issue.
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 05:44 AM (Iaxlk)
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 09:43 AM (YdQQY)
I think that at some point having to make excuse after excuse for a clearly floundering candidate should start to make the warning light flash even for his most committed supporter... no???
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 05:46 AM (Iaxlk)
Voting for Romney because you don't like Perry is retarded.
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 05:48 AM (YdQQY)
30
Jeff Sessions goes after the welfare program known as food stamps
As I have been saying for years now, Newt's congress did not get rid of welfare "as we know it". They just retitled it.Besides, why do we need food stamps, we are feeding them with the school budget now.
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 07:46 AM (YdQQY)
From the article, it says that costs have doubled in the past 3 years and are going up another 14% this year. To fix this, Jeff wants to cut the program by 12% over the next 10 years.
That's one hell of a 'fix'. Of course, even this modest 'fix 'was voted down.
We are boned.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 24, 2011 05:49 AM (ENKCw)
Posted by: soothsayer at October 24, 2011 05:50 AM (Ba6aP)
Voting for Romney because you don't like Perry is retarded.
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 09:48 AM (YdQQY)
..unless you also have good cause not to vote for any of the other candidates either. It's called making a choice from what's available to you. Voting for someone you can see shaping up as a total burnout is not terribly swift, either.
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 05:52 AM (Iaxlk)
That's one hell of a 'fix'. Of course, even this modest 'fix 'was voted down.
The Senate is filled with Romney Republicans and communists. No spending cuts will ever happen there. Hell, we can't get them through the House which has fewer commies and Romneylikes in it.
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 05:52 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at October 24, 2011 05:54 AM (6IV8T)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 24, 2011 05:54 AM (ZDUD4)
So, to you, a presidential candidate- even if he believes otherwise- has to pretend to believe that SCOAMFOTUS was completely forthcoming with a document he should have released roughly 4 years earlier than he did?
The only thing "wrong" with his answer was that you didn't like it. None of us have seen SCOAMFOTUS' birth certificate: we've seen scanned copies. Does that make them illegitimate? Not necessarily, but neither does it make them definitive.
His final response: "I don't have any idea. It doesn't matter." Could have have skipped the other stuff? Maybe. I still don't believe that's the actual quotes- whatever Parade says- because it doesn't read like what you would do in an official interview. No one stops a statement: "I don't know. I had dinner with Donald Trump the other night." That's a non sequitur (sp?) even in context. That leads me to believe there was either more to that statement, or they parsed it out to make it look as bad as possible. In either case, that's selective editing in top-form.
The only answer you would have liked was "Yes, he was born in Hawaii." Anything else would have lead to that same statement, because the question (assuming those quotes are accurate, which is not always the case with the MFM) that followed up, "I have no reason to believe otherwise" was "that's not a 'Yes, I believe he.'" So even if he'd said, "It certainly seems like..." or even "I believe he..." the follow-up would have been the same, "Believe? You say that like you're open to the possibility that..."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 05:56 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: soothsayer at October 24, 2011 05:56 AM (vanqS)
Well, if Perry does end up the nominee... I hope he makes me look utterly, utterly foolish and I will be the happiest person in the world to have you guys rub it in my face how horribly wrong I was about him.
I sincerely hope the opposite scenario never happens, because it would mean 4 more years of the Obaminator.
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 05:57 AM (Iaxlk)
Posted by: soothsayer at October 24, 2011 05:58 AM (oB2II)
A comparison to Dukakis isn't exactly a glowing endorsement.
And I refuse (at this point) to accept that Romney will be the nominee.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 05:59 AM (8y9MW)
If Perry is the nominee, you see him losing to Obama (pbuh)?
Why?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 24, 2011 06:00 AM (UYLrj)
At the link about Student Loans there's a woman who claims to be in her 50s and saying she'll never pay off her student debt. How can that be?
I was in my mid-20s when I went for my undergrad (after the Army) and racked up student loans but paid them all off after about 10 years. I then went back to MBA school, graduated about 4 years ago, and now have about almost half paid off. What am I missing, here, as to why this woman can't seem to pay off her debt, particularly since she seems to be from the Northeast US?
Posted by: John Maynard Keynez at October 24, 2011 06:03 AM (lQCe+)
4 more years?
It's possible, but I don't believe it. The crash that put the final nail in McCain's coffin didn't come until 2008- indeed, after the conventions. Whatever is happening to the markets (and it makes no sense that people keep buying- this is either pure inflation, or someone is monkeying with the system, IMO) would have to keep things at what I believe to be an artificial level for more than a year to save Obama- and I just don't see that happening.
Also, the higher markets aren't doing anything for employment or wages- which are more important to people right now.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 06:03 AM (8y9MW)
@74: well, if obviously if Parade Magazine just flat out lied, that's a different matter. But then what the hell can anyone believe about anything reported anywhere?
And yeah, the only good answer from my persperctive would have been "I believe he was born in Hawaii" PRECISELY because it is "selective editing" proof. You're right about that.
Because you know what? It really DOESN'T matter at this point where the hell Obama was born, so why create even the slightest bit of sunlight between yourself and a simple "Yes, in Hawaii" answer?
For me it's not just this incident. It's the whole string of disappointments with this guy, the bad performance, the lack of political judgment. This just was the 15 lbs anvil that broke the camel's toe.
Ultimately the proof of the pudding of a viable candidate is their performance. Let's leave it up to the GOP primary voters at this point.
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 06:04 AM (Iaxlk)
Doctor of Native American Studies with a focus on plains-Indian atl-atl manufacture doesn't exactly pay the bills.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 06:04 AM (8y9MW)
If Perry is the nominee, you see him losing to Obama (pbuh)?
Why?
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at October 24, 2011 10:00 AM (UYLrj)
Because I can just see the Leftwing Media simply dismantling him, the same precise way they did Palin. The warning signs are all there. The inability to control his own image, the way he can't give an interview without something like this happening. (Actually, in fairness to Palin, she was way better at debating)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 06:07 AM (Iaxlk)
It's OK to think it.. Just don't mention it.
Posted by: franksalterego at October 24, 2011 10:06 AM (9XykO)
BINGO.
Precisely right. Who cares what Perry actually thinks about the issue. There are things that are simply impolitic to say. Presidential candidates don't say things that are impolitic about stupid crap that doesn't matter anyway.
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 06:08 AM (Iaxlk)
What tool pointed you toward "Parade Magazine online" (seriously)?
BTW, anyone who has to quote Parade Magazine, web or print, to make a point is reaching or comical at the minimum.
Posted by: dagny at October 24, 2011 06:08 AM (ubhub)
Posted by: Logan 5 at October 24, 2011 06:08 AM (GSeVd)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 24, 2011 06:10 AM (ZDUD4)
You base your believe on a: is the reporting believable (like I said, there are stylistic issues in that quote that make me believe it was, at best, selectively edited), and b) on whether the source has proven reliable in the past. Parade Magazine doesn't exactly have a stellar record there, as I recall.
So, given they get no passing marks on my two primary criteria (there are others as well), I believe this particular piece of reporting is false- or at least greatly stretched.
And I will say again: when you're looking for support from someone specific (this case: Donald Trump) you don't call them a fool in national media. He probably could have left that out- probably (again, we don't know the full context)- but it's a well-parsed political statement. The only people it "harms" him with are people who think anyone who still holds any doubts about this President's birth are crazy, and therefore don't want to be associated with them.
I, personally, think anyone who seriously has any doubts, or who is going to try to make hay out of it is less than bright, but I have my own doubts as well. There are things that don't add up to me: I'm just smart enough to know that arguing from ignorance is really dumb, so I'll stick with Perry's stance: I have no specific reason to believe he wasn't, I don't know for sure, and it doesn't really matter even if I did.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 06:11 AM (8y9MW)
So. It appears that a lot more New Yorkers are DOOMed – literally – since Occupy Wall Street decided to… well… occupy Wall Street.
Not sure how to interpret this; Good? Bad? They were DOOMed anyway? Will help reduce unemployment rate?
Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at October 24, 2011 06:12 AM (jx2j9)
Posted by: Honey Badger at October 24, 2011 06:12 AM (GvYeG)
BTW, anyone who has to quote Parade Magazine, web or print, to make a point is reaching or comical at the minimum.
Posted by: dagny at October 24, 2011 10:08 AM (ubhub)
You know, that could be said about a Katie Couric interview, too. Ask Palin about that. At some point, dangy, shouldn't you ask yourself if maybe the candidate just ain't doing a good job handling the Parade Magazines and Katie Courics of the world?
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 06:13 AM (Iaxlk)
Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at October 24, 2011 06:13 AM (SB0V2)
I certainly agree with that. The problem is that Colleges make an industry out of "proving" the "job prospects" of any degree they have. Every department (especially Liberal Arts and such) has some web page that shows all the great career opportunities you have by being an expert in Neanderthal Penny Whistles. And how does the government decide which ones are "actual jobs."
I really think the government should get out of the student loan business, and let private banks handle it.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 06:14 AM (8y9MW)
"are grasping at straws for a complaint."
Straws... camel's backs...
That's it, I'm dropping the issue. All I ask the ones still committed to Perry at this point is... how many more excuses for him, before the breaking point is reached?
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 06:17 AM (Iaxlk)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 24, 2011 06:17 AM (ZDUD4)
Doom not much, we don't need no stinkin congress
No mention of where he is going to get the moneyPosted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 06:17 AM (YdQQY)
Looks like everyone has a reason to hate Perry. Guess I'll send him some more money today.
Czech, I think you are seriously over reacting to a non issue. But that is just me.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 24, 2011 06:18 AM (kaOJx)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 24, 2011 06:18 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at October 24, 2011 10:13 AM (SB0V2)
LOL, just did
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 06:18 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Recluse spider at October 24, 2011 06:19 AM (eScuN)
Exactly.
Anything the government takes over will be gamed to the detriment of those it was supposed to help. This should be considered at least as much a Law of Nature as Newton's laws of Motion.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 06:19 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at October 24, 2011 10:13 AM (SB0V2)
Yeah, nothing like the federal government forcing banks to make refinancing easier... What if the potential refinanceer turned into a financial basket case since the first loan was made? Will not the new bank be stuck with a disaster in the making? Doom, doom... everywhere, Doom...
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 06:19 AM (Iaxlk)
Posted by: wfs1970 at October 24, 2011 06:21 AM (+KmL5)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 24, 2011 10:18 AM (ZDUD4)
Well, Y-not did say he'd probably be her number two choice... but I'd prefer him as VP, under someone's thumb when he starts acting up...
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 06:21 AM (Iaxlk)
Posted by: Buzzsaw at October 24, 2011 10:20 AM (tf9Ne)
No, the golden stuff comes from the other "spigot"...
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 06:22 AM (Iaxlk)
My breaking point - when the rest of the country catches up to Texas in job creation, until then Perry can dress in clown suit and dance in front of all 35 partisan Republicans who care at this point.
Posted by: Jean at October 24, 2011 06:22 AM (WkuV6)
Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at October 24, 2011 06:23 AM (6IV8T)
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 06:24 AM (YdQQY)
Chilling, my favorite scenario is that Perry markedly improves his performance as a candidate. I keep waiting to see signs of it. Instead, all I keep seeing is this crap. That's the real issue for me.
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 06:26 AM (Iaxlk)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 24, 2011 06:26 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 10:17 AM (Iaxlk)
[sizes up the rest of the field] To infinity and beyond!1!!!1!
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Posted by: charings at October 24, 2011 06:28 AM (BI1gy)
Posted by: Honey Badger at October 24, 2011 06:30 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 06:30 AM (i9cTu)
Posted by: Honey Badger at October 24, 2011 06:31 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 24, 2011 06:33 AM (ZDUD4)
All I ask the ones still committed to Perry at this point is... how many more excuses for him, before the breaking point is reached?
This is kinda meh. I don't consider this to be anything major.
However, I am probably with him to the end. The alternative is Mitt Romney who I can't stand, who isn't conservative, and who will probably be a slightly better spoken George W Bush redux.
With Boehner and McConnel at the helm, we're see a replay of the Republican Party 2002-2006.
At that point, I'm probably done with the party. If they can't learn from history so recent, what's the point?
Posted by: Ben at October 24, 2011 06:34 AM (wuv1c)
Why are our candidates proposing tax plans? The problem is jobs. These tax plans are revenue neutral and are target rich for Dem attacks.
Posted by: Cherry pi at October 24, 2011 06:35 AM (OhYCU)
Didn't see a /sarc tag on this, but I'm hoping that's just because of my browser.
The Newt strikes me as the ultimate do-nothing president. He talks (and talks, and talks, and talks) and clearly knows his shit.
But what has he done?
The "Contract With America" came along a few years after the Continental Railroad (low-speed version) and, here in 2011, has proven to be an epic fail. Nothing is left of it that I can see.
IMO, The Newt's time in Congress shows him to have been slightly worse than Boner, hands-across-the-aisle- and getting-things-done-wise. We don't need that, in Congress or the White House.
I'm still leaning toward Cain and Perry. The "missteps" and "gaffes" they have been hammered for (from the left and even here at the HQ, where Ace sometimes seems to get seriously butthurt because neither candidate is fully on board with exactly what he thinks) strike me as being trivial when put up against the SCoaMF's daily outrages.
Mutt Romney is a left-leaning squish who changes positions more often than a cheap hooker, Santorum strikes me as a better-medicated version of Kucinich, and Bachmann Tardasiled herself right out of the race.
So that leaves Cain and Perry....
Posted by: MrScribbler at October 24, 2011 06:35 AM (YjjrR)
>>>The Newt strikes me as the ultimate do-nothing president. He talks (and talks, and talks, and talks) and clearly knows his shit.
Indeed.
He speaks for a living people. Check out your local newspaper, he's probably speaking at some event in your city at any given time. It's all he does. Give speeches and Q&As.
People are puting too much emphasis on debates. I don't know if it's a product of our TV oriented society.
They serve a purpose and are important, but it's as though they are all that matters.
If you're hiring someone, what do you put more emphasis on, resume/experience/record or interview strength?
I would think the former.
Posted by: Ben at October 24, 2011 06:39 AM (wuv1c)
People are putting too much emphasis on post-debates. I don't know if it's a product of our TV oriented society.
They serve a purpose and are important, but it's as though they are all that matters.
Posted by: Cherry pi at October 24, 2011 06:43 AM (OhYCU)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 06:44 AM (i9cTu)
If you go by comments here, at Tepid Air and such elitist squishy tea-sipper sites as NRO, it seems sadly obvious that debate proficiency is the New Standard for picking a president.
Strange, that, since Osama Obama flooded the '08 debates with verbal diarrhea -- lying diarrhea, in fact -- and yet supposedly was the master debater.
Any halfway decent car salesman could wipe the floor with most candidates in a debate. Doesn't mean he's best-qualified to be president.
Posted by: MrScribbler at October 24, 2011 06:45 AM (YjjrR)
True dat, speaking of which Fox just played a clip of Perry talking about being a true pro-life candidate and also speaking in Iowa about how he has always loved guns.
The idea (from Fox) was to stir up controversy about him trying to be the "true conservative". The Republican side of the debate said, yes abortion and guns did make a huge difference in Iowa and SC. The liberal woman speaker said "yes I love guns and hate women".
That is a hint of things to come.
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 06:46 AM (YdQQY)
Ooooh, that settles it!
Mutt Romney's Virginia campaign chairman thinks he a great guy! With impartial support like that, how dare anyone oppose him!
Posted by: MrScribbler at October 24, 2011 06:47 AM (YjjrR)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 10:44 AM (i9cTu)
Well, what the heck did you expect him to say? Sheesh.....
Posted by: Tami-Cardinals! at October 24, 2011 06:47 AM (X6akg)
I've got no love for Newt (hey, Newt 2012, the early morning phone calls are not endearing!), but you can't blame him for the fact that subsequent Congresses exercised their powers to enact laws undoing the contract. The battle never ends.
Posted by: somebody else, not me at October 24, 2011 06:50 AM (7EV/g)
Zing!
Seriously, though, it wasn't just the post-debate thing, it was that Bachman then actually tried to use that line of attack for the next several days. Slightly different, there.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 06:50 AM (8y9MW)
>>>Any halfway decent car salesman could wipe the floor with most candidates in a debate. Doesn't mean he's best-qualified to be president.
Also, let's look at the last few elections.
Obama didn't really beat McCain in the debates, neither did Obama beat Hillary in the primaries. McCain didn't out debate Huckabee or Romney. People seem to forget that Huckabee did very very well at the debates, but he didn't win. Bush didn't thrash John Kerry, Al Gore or John McCain in the 2000 primaries.
George Bush was awful at debates.
While I would like someone who can hold their own, it isn't the be all end all for me.
Posted by: Ben at October 24, 2011 06:50 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 06:51 AM (i9cTu)
>>It wasn't intended to settle anything for you name calling posters. You call him a name and I'll post someone who feels different. You can handle that can't you?
Fair enough, but perhaps use someone who isn't currently cashing a check from Mitt Romney's campaign
Posted by: Ben at October 24, 2011 06:52 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 06:53 AM (i9cTu)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 10:51 AM (i9cTu)
Someone who feels different? His Virginia campaign manager?
Posted by: Tami-Cardinals! at October 24, 2011 06:55 AM (X6akg)
I would loved to have been on that stage so I could turn to her and say, "we're glad you're finally admitting that. Anyone who loved women wouldn't be a proponent of abortion."
As we hashed out (or had fun trying to, anyway) on Friday- either you believe abortion is killing a baby, or you don't. And that's fine. But if you do believe that abortion is killing a baby, there are certain moral conclusions which must follow from that. If you do not believe abortion is killing a baby, then you have no leg to stand on any time you attempt to restrict them in any way.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 06:55 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Jean at October 24, 2011 06:55 AM (WkuV6)
>>>Bush wasnt awful at debates. Just another meme repeated enough that it becomes the accepted truth.
Yeah he was pretty bad. I watched them all. His only saving grace was that John Kerry was substance free and monotone, Al Gore got visibly frustrated, angry, and kept talking about SS which worried old people, and John McCain apparently had a black love child(Rove you bastard!)
Posted by: Ben at October 24, 2011 06:56 AM (wuv1c)
You bring the marshmallows. I've got the graham crackers and Hershey's bars.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 06:56 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 06:58 AM (i9cTu)
Its interesting that the Parade interviewer asked Perry about the Obama-birth-certificate-issue. .....I mean, why? Why even bring that up?
What's interesting about it is that it comes at a time when people are learning that Romney's dad was born in Mexico.....a factoid that has been out there, but not widely discussed, so a lot of people like myself had never heard of it.
What do these two things have to do with each other? .....Well, if Romney is the nominee....then both men vying for the White House have fathers who were not born in the United States.
So, that means.....that like McCain, Romney would come with a built-in checkmate to the subject, sort of. ....I don't know if Romney's dad ever filed any official documents applying for US citizenship, or if he even needed to, since he was brought into the country when he was a child. ....But it's not a subject that Romney is likely to bring up, if he were the nominee.
It's yet another reason why the Dems would like to have Romney as the nominee.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 24, 2011 06:59 AM (Jd1fD)
That's about the way I recall the debates, too.
I didn't really like Dubya all that much, frankly. And there were times during his eight years that my opinion of him went down from mild disgust at his debating "skills."
But somehow I voted for him -- twice -- and never felt the slightest regret for doing so. In the same way, I'll vote against the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure -- twice -- with no regrets.
Posted by: MrScribbler at October 24, 2011 07:00 AM (YjjrR)
Now that is a meme that has been pushed since the 2000 SC primary. When I first heard that accusation I went around and talked to a shit load of people at work. I talked to at least 100 people asking if anyone got one of those push poll calls about the "black love child".
I didn't find a single person who got one of those calls. I think the entire thing was made up bull shit.
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 07:01 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Vote joncelli/Cthulhu 2012 at October 24, 2011 07:01 AM (RD7QR)
Posted by: Mitt Romney at October 24, 2011 07:01 AM (ggRof)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 07:02 AM (i9cTu)
153 All stopped up and can't take a shit?
why go down to the polls and vote for Mitt.
*spews coffee*
Thanks Mr. Vic......I needed a good giggle this morning. ....Hope you're doing well this morning.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 24, 2011 07:02 AM (Jd1fD)
It is interesting to me that Ace and many of you decry and belittle the people who suspect that Obama is not really an American. The reason they think this is because he does not act like an American--there was nothing like this concerning the Panama-born McCain.
Why do you think Trump's numbers suddenly went through the roof last summer? I come into contact with a lot of apolitical people who could not name the VP but who have their doubts about the President's nationality and religious beliefs, based on his behavior. It's a valid issue and it really, really resonates.
Posted by: artemis at October 24, 2011 07:03 AM (EL9AK)
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 07:03 AM (YdQQY)
Given the deep thinkers that Reid and Pelosi put on the debt committee, a heapin' helpin' o' doom was preordained.
More apostrophes, please.
Posted by: Count de Monet at October 24, 2011 07:07 AM (4q5tP)
I'm a very happy resident of Arlington, TX, this morning. The 'Boys putting up a W over a (very, very) bad Rams was nice-if-meh, but that performance by young Mr. Holland last night over the Cards was a thing of beauty.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 07:07 AM (8y9MW)
You're killin' me!
Dat ol' Comedy Gold just keeps comin', doesn't it?
Can't wait to see your act on the Ed Sullivan Show. Will you come on before or after Topo Gigio and Nipsey Russel?
Posted by: MrScribbler at October 24, 2011 07:07 AM (YjjrR)
161 #156 Romney's Dad ran for President.
Yes. Yes he did. ....I guess the vetting process wasn't all that thorough back then. ....Or maybe it came up in the back rooms, and that is why Nixon won the nomination. ....I don't know. But it is a fact that his dad was born in a Mormon colony in Mexico.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 24, 2011 07:08 AM (Jd1fD)
Posted by: wfs1970 at October 24, 2011 07:08 AM (+KmL5)
Posted by: Vic at October 24, 2011 11:03 AM (YdQQY)
HA, SCOAMF will reside on not only the historic first ever downgrade, but a second as well. Hope and change baby!
Posted by: Red Shirt at October 24, 2011 07:09 AM (FIDMq)
>>But somehow I voted for him -- twice -- and never felt the slightest regret for doing so. In the same way, I'll vote against the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure -- twice -- with no regrets.
Yeah, I would regret it had the other candidates not been Kerry or Gore.
Had the Democrat nominated Evan Bayh instead of Kerry in 2004, I might have voted for him.
While I never question Bush's love of country, class and decency, I do think he was a subpar president.
That's why I would prefer we not nominate Romney. If he wins, he can be as awful and bi-partisan(read: submit to democrats) as he wants and we'll vote for him in 2012 and 2016 because we have no other option.
Posted by: Ben at October 24, 2011 07:10 AM (wuv1c)
163.....It's a valid issue and it really, really resonates.
Yeah. It does. .....It's the secrecy, the sealed records, and acting so strange about it....that's what piqued interest in the subject.
That, and the fact that Obama talked like he was not one of us....with a clinical detachment that came across in his apology tour and in other statements about us as a country.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 24, 2011 07:13 AM (Jd1fD)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 07:16 AM (i9cTu)
Posted by: mpfs at October 24, 2011 07:16 AM (iYbLN)
>>I see the ONT from last night died an early death. Maybe some cobloggers shouldn't be so nasty and insulting to some commenters. Don't shit where you eat and you know who you are too.
I missed it, I'll have to check it out.
Posted by: Ben at October 24, 2011 07:19 AM (wuv1c)
Let's not lose track of the most important thing here--the absolute, vital importance of a balls out GOTV effort.
Who actually wins the election is almost irrelevant compared to having an unassailable majority in both House and Senate. Minus that, no meaningful progress will be possible--and y'all need to realize it.
Stop and consider this.
Posted by: irongrampa at October 24, 2011 07:21 AM (SAMxH)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 07:21 AM (i9cTu)
176 #170 Like McCain he was born to two American citizens.
And....like McCain, Romney was for Amnesty for illegals, before he was against it....because he wanted to be president. ...Unlike Rick Perry who has always been against it and has never waivered.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 24, 2011 07:24 AM (Jd1fD)
>>think mpfs is referring to different thread since the ONT had almost 500 comments or is that considered low?
me too. I was just reading it and I don't seen anything of note.
Posted by: Ben at October 24, 2011 07:25 AM (wuv1c)
Drew or Gabriel?
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 24, 2011 11:19 AM (sqkOB)
No, it was on the open thread before the ONT. Rdbrewer was really rude to peaches.
Posted by: Tami-Cardinals! at October 24, 2011 07:26 AM (X6akg)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 07:27 AM (i9cTu)
I don't remember a 'kerfluffle' on the ONT last night....but I was kinda sleepy when I read through it.
A couple of guys were debating the merits of their favorite 'chase scenes'.....but since I like most all car chase scenes in movies, I didn't get involved in their discussion. They both made some good points though.
Kdabear mentioned the TR-6....and I later had a dream about the lovely little TR-6 that I used to drive. ...Yes, they do drink a lot of oil. Never understood why that was....just always carried an extra can of it in the little trunk.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 24, 2011 07:30 AM (Jd1fD)
well, rdbrew is a salty sort
but the important thing is that he hates Mitt Romney and he links us to every video posted on the internet
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 24, 2011 07:30 AM (sqkOB)
I don't recall anyone talking about the word cloud post on the ONT.
Posted by: Waterhouse at October 24, 2011 07:31 AM (mjSSA)
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 24, 2011 07:33 AM (Jd1fD)
Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at October 24, 2011 07:36 AM (AZGON)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 24, 2011 07:37 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: HawtconservativeMan at October 24, 2011 07:37 AM (GvYeG)
Posted by: Red Shirt at October 24, 2011 07:37 AM (FIDMq)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 07:37 AM (i9cTu)
1 Oh, good, another "cloud." It'll be a week before the site loads properly again. Sigh.
Posted by: Peaches
3 Peaches, you're welcome to go fuck yourself.
Posted by: rdbrewer
209 Fuckin' Brewer just put up another one of those lame "cloud" dealies that fuck up the loading for weeks. I made a comment about it and he told me to go fuck myself. Like all I was waiting for was his permission . . . what a douche.
Posted by: Peaches
Hah! Peaches, you incomprehending termagant. You were rude in this thread too. In fact, you're consistently one of the most blunderingly rude commenters on the site.
There must be a Dunning-Kruger effect concept for self-awareness.
"He told me to go fuck myself." Hey, read it the way you want.
Posted by: rdbrewer
Posted by: mpfs at October 24, 2011 07:38 AM (iYbLN)
re: student loans forgiven
Not all loans will be forgiven. It'll happen like this: loans teacher's degrees will be forgiven. Journalism degrees will be written off. (See where I am going with this?)
Degrees in Business will not be forgiven.
In other words, the forgiveness will be selective, i.e., directed chiefly to the base of the Democrat party.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 24, 2011 07:40 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 24, 2011 07:40 AM (pLTLS)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 24, 2011 07:41 AM (ZDUD4)
Posted by: Vote joncelli/Cthulhu 2012 at October 24, 2011 07:42 AM (RD7QR)
I think that's only fair! I was getting grief yesterday.
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 24, 2011 07:42 AM (pLTLS)
Posted by: john edwards at October 24, 2011 07:42 AM (OKhgI)
I know, I know. This is what I said for a long time. And I don't remember life before twitter.
Posted by: overdramatic laceyunderalls at October 24, 2011 07:43 AM (pLTLS)
Most of the Cobs are pretty good here at the HQ. Every so often one or two will have some particularly thin skin, or otherwise get a bug up their butt, and some mild flame-warring ensues.
I think it helps that Ace is so good (more-or-less) about taking the slings and arrows we send his way- it seems to let the Cobs check their own egos "at the door" a little more regularly.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 07:43 AM (8y9MW)
from Pass This Bill!
to Pass This Bill, Pass it Now!
to We Can't Wait, Pass This Bill!
What's next?
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 24, 2011 07:45 AM (sqkOB)
Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 24, 2011 07:46 AM (pLTLS)
Yes, yes, I know. Twitter is gay.
And stupid.
Posted by: Soothsayer
Aw come on soothy baby. I might be stupid but I'm not teh ghey. I did step on my Kindle yesterday and it is DOA.
Posted by: mpfs at October 24, 2011 07:47 AM (iYbLN)
Well, Peaches complained about his post, then complained about it in another thread after he got salty. She's hardly "Innocence abused."
Best to just put this one behind us I think.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 24, 2011 07:48 AM (FkKjr)
I think that's only fair! I was getting grief yesterday.
Posted by: laceyunderalls
Okay, okay ! *raises hands in the air*
Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks, happy now?? at October 24, 2011 07:49 AM (iYbLN)
Ace isn't up, yet, and the Cobs decided posting on anything newsworthy was unproductive, since Ace would just repost it later.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 07:49 AM (8y9MW)
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 24, 2011 11:45 AM (sqkOB)
Pass this bill or you're a racist.
Posted by: dogfish at October 24, 2011 07:50 AM (NuPNl)
She should have complained that effin word cloud screwed up the loading of the site. If you can't take the heat then don't post.
Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks, happy now?? at October 24, 2011 07:50 AM (iYbLN)
FIFY
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 24, 2011 07:50 AM (0q2P7)
I predict soon that a Kindle app will be available.
I think the best bet is to buy a Tablet. But what do I know.
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 24, 2011 07:51 AM (sqkOB)
The "Contract With America" came along a few years after the Continental Railroad (low-speed version) and, here in 2011, has proven to be an epic fail. Nothing is left of it that I can see.
If you like driving at 70mph, thats something leftover from 'The Contract.' Surely you can't blame Newt if subsequent Congresses changed his laws.
Posted by: The Schwalbe : © at October 24, 2011 07:51 AM (UU0OF)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 07:51 AM (8y9MW)
She should have complained that effin word cloud screwed up the loading of the site. If you can't take the heat then don't post.
Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks, happy now?? at October 24, 2011 11:50 AM (iYbLN)
The effin word cloud is up and running right now, and site loads just dandy...whats the problem?
Posted by: Red Shirt at October 24, 2011 07:51 AM (FIDMq)
>>>Most of the Cobs are pretty good here at the HQ. Every so often one or two will have some particularly thin skin, or otherwise get a bug up their butt, and some mild flame-warring ensues.
If I could give a little insight, even though I am only a sub-blogger and more of a commenter.
We're people too and it does take some work to put up stuff on this website.
RD completely changed the way we do the sidebar news on this website. If you recall a year ago or so, the HQ didn't really have a sidebar feature. The fact that we have one now with constant updates is almost entirely RD's doing. Now myself, the bloggers, co and sub, as well as some selected commenters like Truman North and other put up links to articles, news and videos.
I think that's value added to this site.
As for what happened on the other thread. We're people too. It can be tough to put a decent amount of work into content and a post and then have the first person essentially mock it (fairly or unfairly).
Obviously people involved with the content of this site need to have thicker skin, but keep in mind a decent amount of effort is put into the content and like anything in life, no one likes to be mocked or put down after they just spend time trying to provide you some entertainment.
Obviously more restraint is needed, but there will be times where frustration gets the best of us. It happens to us all.
That's my .02 cents
Posted by: Ben at October 24, 2011 07:52 AM (wuv1c)
Do a search for the 'Greater Internet F---wad Theory'. It ain't limited to (co)bloggers.
Posted by: DarkLord© sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada! at October 24, 2011 07:52 AM (GBXon)
214.....What's next?
"Pass this Bill or my Occutards will camp out at your house"...?
The timing of it is all very.....interesting. Since we have an Agitator in the White House.
It's almost like Bloomberg wants there to be riots so that his prediction will come true....remember when he predicted that "people without jobs will riot in the streets"?
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 24, 2011 07:52 AM (Jd1fD)
Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks, happy now?? at October 24, 2011 11:50 AM (iYbLN)
Precisely.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 24, 2011 07:53 AM (FkKjr)
Yeah... I think that's what I said. Well, not the 'RD added value' part, but the 'hey, we're people,' part.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 07:54 AM (8y9MW)
2 one-hundredths of a cent? How did you chop a penny that small?
Posted by: Waterhouse at October 24, 2011 11:53 AM (mjSSA)
He didn't chop it, thats obamavalue showing its ugly head.
Posted by: Red Shirt at October 24, 2011 07:55 AM (FIDMq)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 07:55 AM (8y9MW)
The Democrats want to catch a tiger by the tail.
They're gonna get more than they bargained for.
/evil "mwa-ha-ha" laugh
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 24, 2011 07:55 AM (sqkOB)
At least tell me that someone has mentioned that Barack Obama is stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: fluffy, occupying the bathroom at October 24, 2011 07:55 AM (4Kl5M)
The document from the Vatican’s Justice and Peace department should please the “Occupy Wall Street” demonstrators and similar movements around the world who have protested against the economic downturn.
drudge
Posted by: willow-a generic repunblican at October 24, 2011 07:56 AM (h+qn8)
Hotair has a nice write up on RomneyCare providing subsidized medical care for illegal aliens.
Since it is Romney, I'm sure you Romneybots are cool with this being done.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 24, 2011 07:57 AM (kaOJx)
>>>2 one-hundredths of a cent? How did you chop a penny that small?
I will come to your house and cut you while you sleep you son of a ....
It's a play on this.
http://tinyurl.com/y45chh
Posted by: Ben at October 24, 2011 07:57 AM (wuv1c)
Posted by: Oldsailor's poet at October 24, 2011 07:57 AM (ZDUD4)
I agree but he was a real dick yesterday and pissed off a lot of people.
Haven't we lost enough commenters on this site? Do we have to go for broke?
Not another word on the subject I promise. I'm done with it.
Posted by: MrsPaulsFishSticks, happy now?? at October 24, 2011 07:58 AM (iYbLN)
________
Friggin' LASERs, of course.
Posted by: The Proverbial Shark at October 24, 2011 07:58 AM (xGZ+b)
Why, yes. I believe I did mention that Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
But it bears repeating.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 07:58 AM (8y9MW)
>>>Yeah... I think that's what I said. Well, not the 'RD added value' part, but the 'hey, we're people,' part.
I know. I was just adding to it and also letting people know that it was pretty much rd who changed the sidebar into a nice feature on this blog.
Posted by: Ben at October 24, 2011 07:58 AM (wuv1c)
It may have been poorly worded, but there are things which I assume wind up there that play merry hob with the site loading. Peaches had a point, if perhaps an undiplomatic means of presenting it.
I assume it's the sidebar because I block all ads as a point of habit, so it ain't them...
Posted by: DarkLord© sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada! at October 24, 2011 07:58 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 07:59 AM (8y9MW)
as for the cloud thing, it was a sloooow weekend and the cloud although a pain in the rear to load, gave everyone something to do.
even if it was being t'eed about loading issues.
could have been worse. could have been a picture of helen thomas smiling. and we might have deserved it!
Posted by: willow-a generic repunblican at October 24, 2011 08:01 AM (h+qn8)
Why, yes. I believe I did mention that Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
But it bears repeating.
It does bear repeating. I hope that when I type in that Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure, that this single comment hits the search engines as a SCOAMF three-fer.
Posted by: fluffy, occupying 127.0.0.1 at October 24, 2011 08:01 AM (4Kl5M)
Posted by: Vote joncelli/Cthulhu 2012 at October 24, 2011 08:02 AM (RD7QR)
Debt Forgiveness.
Has anyone else seen the Occutards signs that say: Debt is Slavery ...?
I have seen them in footage a couple of times now. .....Involuntary debt, like what the government is drowning us with....yeah, that is a form of slavery because it is involuntary, and we will be forced to pay it back, which is basically working for the State.
But I think that the Occutards are referring to credit card debt, and student loans.
It's an interesting meme though.....declaring that "Debt is Slavery". ....Is that what Obama is going to tell our creditors, like China? ....Maybe the occutards don't know that their messiah has racked up more debt on our heads than any other president....as well as every other President combined.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 24, 2011 08:02 AM (Jd1fD)
Why, yes. I believe I did mention that Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
But it bears repeating.
It does bear repeating. I hope that when I type in that Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure, that this single comment hits the search engines as a SCOAMF three-fer.
I, too. It also bears repeating that Watergate Did Not Have a Body Count.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 08:03 AM (8y9MW)
hey remember when rdbrewski was putting a bunch of teeny tiny cute little yootoob vids on the sidebar and nearly ruined Ace's blog?
hahahaha, good times
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 24, 2011 08:03 AM (sqkOB)
All golf and no leadership make Barack Obama a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure. All golf and nb leadership make Barack Obama a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
Posted by: fluffy, occupying 127.0.0.1 at October 24, 2011 08:04 AM (4Kl5M)
Exciting new candidate for Indiana governor . . .
America's Giant Hairy Sweetheart Rupert!
definitely one of those "legalize drugs" Libertarians.
Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 24, 2011 08:04 AM (SB0V2)
I, too. It also bears repeating that Watergate Did Not Have a Body Count.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther)
watergate is notorious yet stealing peoples information as the clinton's did was nothing at all.
i have noticed only lately the set of rules for Dems and republicans.
dems have no rules.
republicans skewer themselves over everything.
Posted by: willow-a generic repunblican at October 24, 2011 08:05 AM (h+qn8)
Yes, it does, because Watergate did not have a body count.
Posted by: fluffy, occupying 127.0.0.1 at October 24, 2011 08:05 AM (4Kl5M)
That's exactly what happened in Utah. Many Californians etc.. fled here to and all they did was bring their problems with them. In Illinois same thing but within the state from the Chicago to the smaller rural communities.
No realitization that it was in fact their collectives politics and culture that created the mess they want away from. Also, that once nice child getting sucked into or on the run from gangs in the city get into smaller communities and becomes the wolf among the sheep.
Posted by: Shiggz undecided - weighing pros-cons-balls at October 24, 2011 08:05 AM (I9fXA)
Posted by: HeartlessBlackOrchid at October 24, 2011 08:06 AM (SB0V2)
So he tried to hold both positions at the same time and you're cool with that.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 24, 2011 08:06 AM (FkKjr)
Well, debt is slavery. It's just that voluntary debt is voluntary slavery (not actually an oxymoron).
As long as you woe someone money, they more-or-less own you. We have nice little fictions to help us pretend otherwise, but, when someone can take away all your stuff, and then force you to pay most-or-all of your paycheck to them (which, with certain levels and types of indebtedness, they can), you are essentially a slave to them. Not necessarily in a "can't make my own decisions about my own life" sort of way, but certainly in a "I actually own all my stuff" sort of way.
It's only very recently in human history that people thought it was a good idea to go into debt and then stay that way for year or decades at a time.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 08:06 AM (8y9MW)
The cob's probably should remember getting mocked by the readership, or more accurately the commentership, is a feature not a flaw. We are, as much avid readers and appreciators of the site, also donating content, on an ad-hoc, as we have time basis quality may vary. It includes taking pot shots at the cobs in the ivory tower, along with each other. Let's just say that if a coblogger took a shot at me, I would hope that it was at least funny. Not a clumsy "go F* yourself" that any moron could pound out is a 1/4 second.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 24, 2011 08:07 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 24, 2011 12:06 PM (OWjjx)
and how huge a failure it has been to a huge number of people.,
now called the unseen un-employed. how i miss Bush's horrible 5% unemployment rate!
Posted by: willow-a generic repunblican at October 24, 2011 08:08 AM (h+qn8)
Bevel Lemelisk at October 24, 2011 12:06 PM
Romney is also ok with free medical care for illegal aliens under Romneycare while bitching about the Texas Dream Act.
He's a slippery one is ol' Mittens.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 24, 2011 08:08 AM (kaOJx)
Posted by: Jean at October 24, 2011 08:08 AM (WkuV6)
And his "weak" 4% growth.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 08:08 AM (8y9MW)
________
Well, there is the old joke:
Q: Why don't the British make a supercomputer?
A: They haven't figured out how to make it leak oil.
Posted by: The Proverbial Shark at October 24, 2011 08:08 AM (NmR1a)
I've got plenty of zombie repellent. I sleep well.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 24, 2011 08:09 AM (0q2P7)
Romney is also ok with free medical care for illegal aliens under Romneycare while bitching about the Texas Dream Act.
He's a slippery one is ol' Mittens.
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 24, 2011 12:08 PM (kaOJx)
He's really bad at being a politician. That's why he's only won one election. Otherwise he'd be Herm Cain, if Herm Cain were stupid enough to strap a dog to the roof of his car.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 24, 2011 08:10 AM (FkKjr)
"Look, here's the deal. Nobody can look you in the eye and tell you that the Recovery Act and that stimulus did not create jobs and did not do very good things for the economy."
Joe Shitforbrains Biden
October 23, 2011
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 24, 2011 08:10 AM (sqkOB)
I dunno, I like 'the Proverbial Shark.'
You just expect lines like "Never swim on a full stomach," or "He who swims with sharks should not be surprised when he gets eviscerated."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 08:10 AM (8y9MW)
Did you forget your talking about Mitt Romney?
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at October 24, 2011 12:07 PM (OWjjx)
For a second I thought we were talking about John Kerry, but then, Mitt has acted like (and supported) many of the same causes as ol' Liveshot.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 24, 2011 08:11 AM (FkKjr)
Well, there is the old joke:
Q: Why don't the British make a supercomputer?
A: They haven't figured out how to make it leak oil.
Triumph Rider: can you stop this oil leak?
Mechanic: If this leak stops, you need to shut the engine down.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 24, 2011 08:11 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative
I got skewered by ace once, (defending palin)
although i sniffed a little, at least He typed my name!
faint.
srsly, I'm glad they appear occasionally to back up their ideas/thoughts.
Posted by: willow-a generic repunblican at October 24, 2011 08:12 AM (h+qn8)
Posted by: chemjeff at October 24, 2011 08:13 AM (OoiW1)
He's really bad at being a
politician. That's why he's only won one election. Otherwise he'd be
Herm Cain, if Herm Cain were stupid enough to strap a dog to the roof of
his car.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 24, 2011 12:10 PM (FkKjr)
Wish I had thought of that
Posted by: Clark Griswold at October 24, 2011 08:14 AM (FIDMq)
example of "good things" done to the economy via the Recovery Act/Stimulus:
$18M spent to redesign govt website for Recovery Act
(ABC News, July 2009)
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 24, 2011 08:15 AM (sqkOB)
Yeah, but has it been 100% of one of your classes? There will always be some risk-averse students. Students who, for whatever reason, don't trust themselves to be able to pass if they go outside the given example. But, I would hope, at least a few students would still 'strike out on their own' and try to do something new and/or unusual.
Monty's anecdote seems to indicate that none of those students did anything else.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 08:16 AM (8y9MW)
"Left treats God like a spare tire" instead of the steering wheel.
http://tinyurl.com/42d64zx
Posted by: Shiggz undecided - weighing pros-cons-balls at October 24, 2011 08:17 AM (I9fXA)
another example of "good things" funded by Recovery Act:
$800K spent teaching Africans how to wash their asses.
(September 2010)
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 24, 2011 08:19 AM (sqkOB)
273....It's only very recently in human history that people thought it was a good idea to go into debt and then stay that way for year or decades at a time.
Our interest used to be deductable....every penny of it. It was a huge boost to people's tax refunds, being able to deduct all that credit card interest and charge account interest. .....It was the grease the kept the economic gaskets running better.
When they took away the Consumer Interest Deduction [thank you Phil Gramm, and Reagan].....it was phased out over 4 years....then the Credit Card companies began to decline, as people charged less and were paying off their credit cards.
Then came the Internet.....Hello!
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 24, 2011 08:19 AM (Jd1fD)
* When you find you're in one, stop digging.
Posted by: DarkLord© sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada! at October 24, 2011 08:19 AM (GBXon)
(September 2010)
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 24, 2011 12:19 PM (sqkOB)
Hey, that was a Godsend.
Posted by: A Proctologist in Somalia at October 24, 2011 08:20 AM (FkKjr)
Mit Romney is a man of principles. When he takes a position, he sticks to it!
Mrs. Mitt Romney, 10 minutes ago.
well now we know we can't trust Mrs. Romney. C'mon Mitt, the best you could do is have your *wife* vouch for you? I mean really?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 24, 2011 08:22 AM (0q2P7)
Yes, but the fact that Osama Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure remains the single, shining absolute.
No one is as stutteringly clusterfuck-y of a miserable failures than President Historic First©.
Posted by: MrScribbler at October 24, 2011 08:22 AM (YjjrR)
That's not being risk averse, that's missing the point of the exercise by failing to grasp the bloody obvious. If I'm told to do something original, then hand back the example with names changed and serial numbers scraped off, by rights I should be laughed out of the classroom.
Posted by: DarkLord© sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada! at October 24, 2011 08:22 AM (GBXon)
Posted by: willow-a generic republican at October 24, 2011 08:23 AM (h+qn8)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 08:23 AM (i9cTu)
So here's my take -- Mitt has been claiming that the Dem led MA legislature shoved this turd down his throat. Well, if someone shoved a turd down my throat, I sure wouldn't be grinning like an idiot with a fresh shot of Tardisil running in my veins.
Instead, I'd refuse to sign it and make them override my veto. If there was an idiotic rule that I HAD to sign it, I'd be wearing the grumpiest most pissed off face you can imagine.
Suckers of cock, every last one. Oh, and Romney is a damn liar.
Posted by: GnuBreed at October 24, 2011 08:24 AM (ENKCw)
281 Yeah, my little TR-6 used to leak oil, not a lot....but no matter how many times I tried to get it fixed, it always came back. ....Had to keep a flattened cardboard box underneath it.
I loved that car. It would jump strait up when I would downshift in a hairpin turn....climing a hill! ....No other car I have ever driven, has handled like that TR-6.
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 24, 2011 08:25 AM (Jd1fD)
John Sununu, still a political heavyweight in NH, endorsed Mitt Romney today.
Sununu spoke highly of Gov Perry but said Romney was better.
(let the Sununu hatin and denunciations commence!)
Posted by: Soothsayer at October 24, 2011 08:26 AM (sqkOB)
Precisely right. Who cares what Perry actually thinks about the issue. There are things that are simply impolitic to say. Presidential candidates don't say things that are impolitic about stupid crap that doesn't matter anyway.
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 10:08 AM (Iaxlk)
OK... have to comment, even though this is now old...
Is it your position that it is OK then for a Candidate to LIE to us, to get elected? Because that is exactly what you seem to be saying. That they should NOT answer questions Honestly...
That is it OK to 'moderate' your beliefs, to get elected...
Which does explain why you support Romney, while some of us do not... I'm not just worried about winning, but WHO wins, and the character of the person in the office.
Posted by: Romeo13 at October 24, 2011 08:26 AM (NtXW4)
Robert Bork
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 12:23 PM (i9cTu)
I like Mitt too! Do you want ME to provide a quote?!
Posted by: John Holdren at October 24, 2011 08:26 AM (FkKjr)
At the very least, I wouldn't let them make it a photo-op. I'd just sign it in my office (with a Executive Note that I was signing this because it was the least bad thing I could expect from the Leg).
Mitt didn't do that. To this day he supports RomneyCare as a "successful solution," and he has never taken back the comment, "I like mandates, mandates work."
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) is tired beyond tired of the trolls at October 24, 2011 08:27 AM (8y9MW)
Before I stepped in that I checked. His mom isn't available for comment without a seance.
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 24, 2011 08:27 AM (0q2P7)
Nor would you spend all of 2007 saying it was your banner accomplishment and how you were the perfect person to fix healthcare on a national level because of it.
But then, you aren't a shitty failed politician like Mitt Romney.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 24, 2011 08:28 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: KG at October 24, 2011 08:30 AM (LD21B)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 08:31 AM (i9cTu)
Mitt also said a stimulus could be a good thing. But you are supposed to ignore that, because he came out against porkulus, so that makes it okay that he thinks stimulus spending can work.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 24, 2011 08:32 AM (FkKjr)
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 24, 2011 12:31 PM (i9cTu)
Concession accepted.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at October 24, 2011 08:33 AM (FkKjr)
Hmmmmm.
What are the major ingredients of brown liqour?
1. Grain from which alcohol is fermented, in American Whiskey specifically corn.
2. Water.
3. Energy, with which the alcohol is distilled.
4. Oak which adds flavor.
Has anything happened to the price of any of these main ingredients that might effect the profitability of production?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 24, 2011 08:35 AM (0q2P7)
Posted by: DarkLord© sez Obama is a stuttering clusterf--- of a miserable failure
Oh, and F--- Nevada! at October 24, 2011 08:37 AM (GBXon)
Has anything happened to the price of any of these main ingredients that might effect the profitability of production?
Posted by: MikeTheMoose Camellia Sinensis Operative at October 24, 2011 12:35 PM (0q2P7)
Ok, well, didn't really see any mention in the article of the prices of ingredients outstripping increase in sales, but I may have skimmed through some parts.
Posted by: KG at October 24, 2011 08:49 AM (LD21B)
324.....Has anything happened to the price of any of these main ingredients that might effect the profitability of production?
Corn. ....We are burning it in our cars now. ....Or maybe that was a rhetorical question?
Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at October 24, 2011 08:56 AM (Jd1fD)
Romeo,
In case you missed it, plenty of people don't think even Perry is pure enough, because of his immigration and Tardisil and eminent domain (i.e., those Texas highway super corridors) stance.
I am perfectly willing to give him a pass on those issues, because getting rid of Obama is far, far more important to me.
So the question we disagree on REALLY is, Who is the more electable? Based on Perry's campaign record so far - his numbers are imploding amongst conservatives, in case you missed it - I question how well he would do in the general election. THAT is what matters. I really don't give a crap about his belief or disbelief in Obama's birthplace. What matters is that the way he spoke about it leaves him wide open to attack... THAT is the issue... he has been politically utterly boneheaded so far. He's shown up for an economic debate and promised his economic plan the following week. He's had abysmal debate performances. He allowed Anita to blow conservatives for hating Christians, for Pete's Sake! And he can't even handle this issue without giving the MSM anti-Perry fodder. Who's asking him to lie? Why not just answer by saying, We have more important things to talk about? Why bring up Donald Trump of all things?? Why make it sound he relies on Trump's opinion on anything?
MY position on Perry vs. Romney vs. Obama is this: ANYBODY but Obama. ANYBODY. The WORST RINO is far, far preferable to a Radical Socialist. And a RINO that can win is preferable to a 100 Percent Conservative (which Perry is NOT anyway) that can't win.
I don't think anyone deserves a "beat down" over wondering if a guy that utterly flamed out almost right out of the gate would be an effective candidate in a general election. But hey, that's just me, right?
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 09:43 AM (Iaxlk)
And like I've said: if Perry starts to improve, I'll come back to him.
It's really up to Rick... ain't it??
Posted by: CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 09:46 AM (Iaxlk)
CoolCzech at October 24, 2011 01:46 PM
So you are going to vote for a candidate that endorsed a socialized medical plan that gives free medical care to illegal aliens regardless of any pathway to citizenship?
Czech you now supporting OCare?
Posted by: Dick Nixon at October 24, 2011 09:56 AM (kaOJx)
I challenge the notion that Mitt has been vetted. He hasn't. He has not been vetted for a national election and we certainly should not be so naive as to think that the Dems won't throw a helluva lot worse at Romney than some lone preacher did.
Posted by: Y-not at October 24, 2011 11:02 AM (5H6zj)
maybe you prefer someone more polished , more glib , a silver tongued salesman popular with the MFM
you know... slick
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